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Old 10-31-14, 07:36 PM
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Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14





"THE DARKNESS BENEATH"

10/31/2014 (10:00PM - 11:00PM) (Friday) : AN ANCIENT SPIRIT TORMENTS A PENNSYLVANIA MINING TOWN -- JAMES LEGROS GUEST STARS -- Deep in the mountains of Western Pennsylvania, John (Matt Ryan) is a small mining community's only defense against an ancient Welsh spirit. In the course of protecting these isolated innocents, John finds a vital new ally in a mysterious young woman named Zed (Angélica Celaya). Harold Perrineau and Charles Halford also star. TV-PG LV



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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Zed reminds me of the actress in orphan black. The priest reminds me of Cas from supernatural.

I'm not sure why the lady was killing people. Her abusive husband sure but why she kill the other people?

The episode was mostly throw away except for the introduction of the new woman. She has attitude and sex appeal and will bring in that young male demographic the higher ups are looking for. Her character is extremely different from the first lady. Makes me wonder how the storyline changed to fit her.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

BUT he was smoking!!!!111!!
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Was he smoking or holding a cigarette. Maybe they are doing implied smoking.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell
Was he smoking or holding a cigarette. Maybe they are doing implied smoking.
Chas stubbed out a cigarette in an ashtray when he got back to the safehouse in the beginning of the episode. So it's all implied smoking.


As for the case of the week, it didn't make a lot of sense. It seems like the wife was summoning the Coblynau to kill her husband, but at first they couldn't leave the mine, so maybe the other deaths were sort of collateral damage. It's also possible she never had 100% control of the spirits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coblynau
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocker_(folklore)
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

What I got from the episode is that she hadn't used her magic since leaving her homeland but something was using her to get out of the mine. Constantine said something about something evil using her. I admit it was a bit confusing. Still enjoy the show and will stick with it.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I didn't completely understand either. I think you are right that the other deaths were collateral damage.

I think they made a mistake of implying she was abused instead of showing it. At the end I wasn't sure if the viewer was meant to feel sorry for her or glad she got dragged to hell.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I like this show.

Some of the line deliveries make me roll my eyes. But I think it's because I'm so spoiled with absurd contrivances being so good and cinematic right now (see: Agents of Shield, American Horror Story). Never watched Supernatural. To me, Constantine is in line with goofy-and-straight-faced hour-long TV shows like Chuck or Firefly. Things don't feel so grounded and super serious.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Constantines "IM SUPER BEING SNEAKY" scene with the loader was unintentionally hilarious to me.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Good thing this was the second episode ... Had it been the first, it would have been my last. That was terrible on so many fronts. As it is, the pilot was enough to bring me back next week.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I'm still on the fence. I actually thought the new girl was an amazingly bad actress. And I was weirded out that she had to stand so close to him whenever talking. Personal space lady, you just met.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Boring. I'm done.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Originally Posted by spainlinx0
I'm still on the fence. I actually thought the new girl was an amazingly bad actress. And I was weirded out that she had to stand so close to him whenever talking. Personal space lady, you just met.
I think that was intended, to imply their eventual physical closeness. She is now the romantic female lead for the show. They recast this actress since she looks to have much better screen chemistry with Matt Ryan.

I am surprised at all the negative reaction to this episode, though I guess its feeling of episodic procedural and the one-and-done nature of the villain made it seem disposable.

I love how Constantine seems to have a never-ending supply of fresh trenchcoats. I feel better about this series after seeing this episode. The VFX weren't terrible and they are sticking pretty closely to Constantine's classic trademarks. I guess we'll see a lot of implied smoking on this series.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Originally Posted by spainlinx0
I'm still on the fence. I actually thought the new girl was an amazingly bad actress. And I was weirded out that she had to stand so close to him whenever talking. Personal space lady, you just met.
The new girl is so much worse than the girl from the pilot its not even funny. I dont get why they replaced her.



Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
I am surprised at all the negative reaction to this episode, though I guess its feeling of episodic procedural and the one-and-done nature of the villain made it seem disposable.
The villains motives didnt really make sense. I never felt invested in what was going on and it was a chore to get through.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Originally Posted by spainlinx0
I'm still on the fence. I actually thought the new girl was an amazingly bad actress. And I was weirded out that she had to stand so close to him whenever talking. Personal space lady, you just met.
Same here. The getting up in his face all the time was really annoying. I enjoyed the first episode, but this one not so much. While I have no knowledge of the comics, I wish that they had stuck with the original female lead as she felt a better fit. And while I like Harold Perrineau, I am not really into his character on this show. It feels like another miscasting.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I liked this episode more than the pilot... at least for me the show is going in the right direction, even tho the comparison to Supernatural becomes more and more evident.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I liked this girl much better than the one from the first episode.

I think the point was that the miner souls where being used by the lady to create accidents to foreman in the mines because as was said by constantine these spirits protect their fellow miners (a la guardian angels), issue was that the mine had more power (evil) that was controlling those same spirits to do bad. So the lady used the normally benevolent spirits for bad because the mine was bad and it was above her magic powers. She opened the door and the evil door to hell did the rest.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I actually liked this more than the 1st episode.

Liked Zed more than Liv. Thought she was more mature, had more chemistry with John and overall appeared to be more of an equal to him. The Producers probably wanted a more mature character to pair with John than the typical spunky sidekick.

I'm sure Matt Ryan loved filming this episode, especially having to sit in a car that flooded full of mud.

Some cool effects and the miner ghosts were kind of cool. Definitely a more procedural monster of the week episode like Supernatural's early days.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I was iffy about this show after the pilot, and this episode didn't do much to win me over. I like the time slot; it could be a great match with Grimm. I'll probably give it a couple more episodes before making a final decision.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I liked the ep.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I'd love to see Timothy Hunter show up on Constantine.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

I liked the episode and I like Zed better than the girl in the pilot. She meshes better with Constantine and brings a darker edge. The first girl seemed like she would need someone to help her with stuff all the time.
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Re: Constantine (S1E02) -- "The Darkness Beneath" -- 10/31/14

Originally Posted by Rex Power Colt-Robot Man
Constantines "IM SUPER BEING SNEAKY" scene with the loader was unintentionally hilarious to me.
OMG so this! It was like I was watching a cartoon.

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