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DGibFen
08-01-12, 05:37 PM
TNA Hardcore Justice (http://www.hardcorejustice.com/) - August 12th at 8:00 PM
TNA World Heavyweight Championship
*Loser cannot ask for a rematch.
Austin Aries (c) vs. Bobby Roode

TNA Knockouts Championship
Miss Tessmacher (c) vs. Madison Rayne

TNA X-Division Championship
Zema Ion (c) vs. Kenny King

TNA TV Championship
Devon (c) vs. Kazarian

Chavo Guerrero & Hernandez vs. Gunner & Kid Kash

Bound for Glory Series Hardcore Matches
*Winner of each match receives 20 points.

Falls Count Anywhere
The Pope D'Angelo Dinero vs. Magnus vs. Mr. Anderson vs. Rob Van Dam

Tables
James Storm vs. Bully Ray vs. Jeff Hardy vs. Robbie E

Ladders
A.J. Styles vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle
WWE SummerSlam (http://www.wwe.com/shows/summerslam) - August 19th at 8:00 PM

Triple Threat Match for the WWE Championship
CM Punk (c) vs. John Cena vs. Big Show

WWE World Heavyweight Championship
Sheamus (c) vs. Alberto Del Rio

Giant Insecurity Match
Triple HHH vs. Brock Lesnar w/ Paul Heyman

The Anger Management Match
Daniel Bryan vs. Kane

WWE Intercontinental Championship
The Miz (c) vs. Rey Mysterio

Dolph Ziggler vs. Chris Jericho

WWE Tag Team Championship
Kofi Kingston & R-Truth (c) vs. The Prime Time Players (Titus O'Neil & Darren Young)

WWE United States Championship
Santino Marella (c) vs. Antonio Cesaro

Shamus McAnally
08-01-12, 05:42 PM
I'm sad that so far Daniel Bryan's name isn't on the SS card and that, sadly, he'll do some angle with Charlie Sheen.

DRG
08-02-12, 10:55 AM
As of several days ago, the idea was not for Daniel Bryan and Charlie Sheen to do a match at SummerSlam...but rather to build up to shooting an angle at the PPV. Most likely it will be a deal where Bryan dares Sheen to show up, and then Sheen slaps him or throws a drink on him or puts him through a table or whatever physical spot they have planned.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1281345-wwe-news-big-update-on-charlie-sheendaniel-bryan-storyline

Either way, the time to do an angle with Sheen would have been LAST SummerSlam when he still had a little buzz. At this point the whole "train wreck" appeal is gone and he's just another guy with a tv show. Unless he promises to do some blow before the show. :)

GuessWho
08-02-12, 02:29 PM
It's all an "Anger Management" promo, which is weird because it's not a USA show, but explains the timing.

Heck, Kane even said "I'm your Amger Management counselor" on Monday.

TheKing
08-05-12, 05:04 AM
I just found this interview over on NBC's Olympic website. Yes, NBC actually put this on their website.

Iron Sheik Talks Olympic Wrestling (http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-blogs/blog=olympic-talk/post/iron-sheik-talks-team-usa-wrestling-london-olympics-2012.html)

Dr. DVD
08-05-12, 04:34 PM
So I guess now that Daniel Bryan has had his time in the main event picture it's time for his burial in a dumb angle . This happens with a lot of their young stars, like Miz.

Drav3n
08-06-12, 05:35 PM
WWE DIVA TO COPS:
My Fiance is Abusive
... He Might Kill Me

WWE diva Rosa Mendes told police her fiancé is a habitual woman-beater ... and she's afraid the guy will eventually try to kill her ... this according to a police report obtained by TMZ.

And sources tell TMZ ... the guy Mendes is afraid of is a former WWE talent.

According to the report, the San Antonio Police Dept. found Mendes crying in a bathroom stall at San Antonio International Airport late Sunday night, repeatedly stating that she needed help. Mendes had just flown from her home in Vegas to S.A. for a WWE event.

According to the police report, Mendes -- real name Milena Roucka -- told cops her fiancé had "hit her several times at their shared residence in Las Vegas."

Sources connected to the case tell TMZ ... Rosa's fiancé is Andy Slocum ... a former WWE talent who went by the stage name Jackson Andrews. Slocum was fired by the WWE in 2011 for breach of contract after continually blowing off training sessions.

In the report, cops note Mendes was under the influence of alcohol at the time they made contact with her.

Cops say Mendes told them "she was afraid [her fiancé] would try and kill her. She also stated the abuse had been an on-going thing."

S.A.P.D. spokesman Officer Matthew Porter tells us Mendes filed a battery report around 10:17 PM. Cops took roughly 30 photos of her body ... which appeared to show bruising and scratches.

A rep for the WWE tells TMZ ... "Milena Roucka contacted a WWE Talent Relations representative this morning to notify WWE that, upon her arrival in San Antonio last evening, she contacted police at the airport to report alleged domestic abuse that occurred just prior to her flight."

The rep adds, "WWE is supportive of Rosa and will provide her with professional assistance."

We reached out to Slocum for comment -- so far, no response.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/06/wwe-diva-rosa-mendes-police-report-andy-slocum-jackson-andrews/

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/08/06/0806-jackson-andrews-wwe-2.jpg

Dr. DVD
08-06-12, 07:04 PM
AJ looks good in white.

DGibFen
08-06-12, 07:07 PM
9 years later, we finally get the Velocity rematch of John Cena vs. Bryan Danielson.

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GuessWho
08-06-12, 11:27 PM
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boredsilly
08-07-12, 12:50 PM
AJ looks good in white.

Yes she does.

I know wrestling t-shirts tend to be ugly, but Christian is setting records with how ugly his shirts are.

stingermck
08-07-12, 07:46 PM
Nash opened his mouth again

Nash Says Wrestling Died When Benoit and Guerrero Became World Champions


Grantland.com has published a lengthy article on the life and controversial wrestling career of Kevin Nash, who has begun to gain traction in Hollywood. A notable point in the article has the six-time world champion reiterating his stance on "Vanilla Midgets," a dismissive term he used as booker in the late '90s in World Championship Wrestling to describe small-statured, gifted technical wrestlers who didn't project larger than life personalities but were beloved by fans, such as Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero and Dean Malenko. "Big Sexy" feels the professional wrestling industry died in 2004 at WrestleMania XX when WWE's "Super Bowl" concluded with the image of the under six-foot-tall grapplers reigning supreme as champions and emotionally celebrating. Even though the two wrestlers are now deceased, he still believes they never belonged in the main event scene due to their small stature.

"When Benoit and Guerrero hugged [at the end of WrestleMania XX], that was the end of the business," Nash says. "Has business been the same since that WrestleMania? Has it come close to the Austin era? Has it come close to the nWo or the Hogan era? You put two fucking guys that were great workers that were the same height as the fucking referees, and I'm sorry, man. Are you going to watch a porno movie with a guy with a three-inch dick? Even if you're not gay, you will not watch a porno movie with a guy with a three-inch dick. That's not the standard in porno films. So you put a 5-foot-7 guy as your world champion."

Nash has the same problem with today's "Internet heroes," CM Punk and Daniel Bryan.

"They are not bigger than life," he says. "I bet they could both walk through airports and not be noticed unless they have a gimmick shirt on and the belt."

Obey The D
08-07-12, 09:48 PM
Nash opened his mouth again

CM Punk is the same size as HBK. I wonder if Nash feels the same way about his buddy? What a douchebag.

Charlie Goose
08-07-12, 11:53 PM
Why does anyone still give that greedy fucking twat a forum to spew his stupidity?
As for killing the business, he and his asshole addict buddy certainly put WCW to sleep.

Howie2000
08-08-12, 03:24 AM
Wasnt this old a**kiss politicer booker for the fingerpoke of doom and World Champ David Arquette? His opinion is as relevant as Mike" D'Antoni talking about what it takes to succeed on defense or Michael Jordan how to hit in baseball.

EdTheRipper
08-08-12, 03:40 PM
I'm attending ROH's Boiling Point 2012 ippv on Saturday. Can't freaking wait.

Dr. DVD
08-08-12, 07:03 PM
Why does anyone still give that greedy fucking twat a forum to spew his stupidity?
As for killing the business, he and his asshole addict buddy certainly put WCW to sleep.

I wouldn't say they put it to sleep as much as start the rocking process. If Ted Turner had still been the man in charge in early 2001, WCW might still be alive today. He knew that he could rebuild/invent a promotion time and again if needed. However, the new executive in charge of TV at Time Warner viewed wrestling as low-rent and didn't want it on the network, despite the fact that it (Nitro) was still probably the second highest rated program on the network (TNT).

Sonny Corinthos
08-09-12, 02:35 PM
http://i.imgur.com/EmQ3v.gif

:lol:

stingermck
08-09-12, 10:41 PM
More from Nash

On his recent comments about the size of today’s top guys:

I’m talking about them as wrestlers, I’m talking about them as their wrestling persona as far as visual. I’m not talking about anything [else]. I’ve stated before, these guys are incredibly great technical wrestlers. All of them. But there’s a reason why Chrisitan Bale in Batman has armor on and is bigger than life. There’s a reason why in all these Marvel movies if [the guys] don’t have gigantic muscles and aren’t oversized, they’re CGIs. I don’t remember Stan Lee when he started Marvel Comics making a 5-foot-7 guy.

On Shawn Michaels succeeding despite not being a ‘big guy’:

Shawn Michaels was 6-foot-1 and a half and weighed 225 pounds in his prime. That’s a big difference between 5-foot-7. That’s a difference between a 6-foot-8 power forward and a 7-foot-1 center. CM Punk doesn’t have Shawn Michaels’ physical ability. I mean, Vince Carter and [Michael] Jordan are the same size.

Um. Nash. Spider-man, Wolverine? They're short. Never mind.

More here:

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Kevin_Nash_Speaks_On_His_Recent_Comments_On_Benoit_Guerrero_CM_Punk_More.html

Charlie Goose
08-09-12, 11:07 PM
More from Nash



Um. Nash. Spider-man, Wolverine? They're short. Never mind.

More here:

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Kevin_Nash_Speaks_On_His_Recent_Comments_On_Benoit_Guerrero_CM_Punk_More.html

And Great Khali? Giant Silva? Ron Reis? El Gigante?

Ugh, just talking about his ramblings gives it strength.

Shamus McAnally
08-09-12, 11:40 PM
Say what you want about Nash, but after reading this, I won't hate on his comments:

On the ‘What’ chants:

The ‘What’ chants go away if you can combat them, but if you can’t say anything that’s beyond PG then you can’t . . . it’s horrible. It’s just one of those things where it takes away so much from the show, it just makes you feel like you’re watching a circus sometime. It’s horrible. It sold T-shirts but you know what? It’s the only thing Steve did wrong.

Charlie Goose
08-10-12, 05:27 AM
I hate the stupid WHAT chants too, but I don't think they can be beaten even without being PG. What could possibly be said to deter them? I know Taker once said something like, "If your momma's a whore, say WHAT." and even that didn't slow them down. I feel the same way about the YES chants.

EdTheRipper
08-10-12, 05:28 AM
Anyone here ever been to an ROH show? They're having an autograph signing with Eddie Edwards and Sara Del Rey. I'm curious as to whether or not the signing takes place prior to the show or if it occurs during an intermission. Also, is there a charge for the signatures? And can I provide my own item to be signed or do I have to purchase something there?

Sorry for the questions, but I've asked them in a bunch of places and just am not getting a response.

DGibFen
08-10-12, 06:31 PM
According to Abraham Washington's twitter, WWE wished him the best in his future endeavors.

Charlie Goose
08-10-12, 10:41 PM
For the Kobe Bryant rape joke that no will remember or care about in a week?
Just when AW and the Prime Time Players were starting to get over too.

stingermck
08-10-12, 11:07 PM
After WWE unceremoniously terminated A.W.'s contract Friday for what a company spokesman says was due to his continued use of offensive and inappropriate comments on live television and on social media after uttering a rape joke on the July 30 episode of Raw, the All World Promotions chief posted a barrage of vitriolic messages on Twitter blistering his former employer for what he percieves are double standards.

A.W. strongly feels it is unjust that he's now out of job when Big Show made a similar remark referencing NBA player Kobe Bryant's sexual assault case, Vince McMahon reneged WWE's anti-bullying campaign two months ago on Raw by ridiculing Jim Ross' facial paralysis, CM Punk told a fan on Twitter to kill himself, Triple H simulated mock sex with a mannequin in a casket, chief Vince McMahon told Trish Stratus to bark like a dog and the company showcased a character making light of mentally challenged individuals, among other unsavory events. Fans comments he posted include: "McMahon is a hypocrite! It's cool for him to mock JR's Bells Palsy, & you aren't cut any slack for one joke? #BeAStarVince."

"I hope Vince hasn't forgot How he mocked @JRsBBQ on #RAW live, and @AWPromotions gets released for one joke?"

"@if only you had strangled someone with your tie, you'd be back within 6 months lol."

"so Dx can tell everyone to suck it but u can't make a joke?"

"@CMPunk told one of his twitter followers to kill themselves. biggest double standard in the world."

"@kane has sex with a dead girl but @AWPromotions makes a kobe joke and gets fired."

"Vince can kick the leg out from under a one legged kid, wrestle women, mock The mentally retarded and he fired you!!!"

"DAMMIT BARK LIKE A DOG - Vince McMahon to Trish Startus (RAW - 5th March 2001)."

"@Didn't Big Show make a Kobe Bryant reference in a battle rap with Cena in 2003 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V6gr8CB-Eg ... but AW gets let go?"

A.W. feels he is a casualty of Linda McMahon's Republican pursuit of a United States Senate seat in Connecticut, which many have speculated has led the sports-entertainment organization to take action on any matter deemed controversial so as not to affect her campaign.

He tweeted to Linda, "Creates jobs my ass!! I'm fired thanks to you and your campaign."

Cory02
08-11-12, 12:07 AM
Anyone here ever been to an ROH show? They're having an autograph signing with Eddie Edwards and Sara Del Rey. I'm curious as to whether or not the signing takes place prior to the show or if it occurs during an intermission. Also, is there a charge for the signatures? And can I provide my own item to be signed or do I have to purchase something there?

Sorry for the questions, but I've asked them in a bunch of places and just am not getting a response.

If I remember correctly, they have the signings before the show and they should be free.

TheBigDave
08-11-12, 12:34 AM
Earlier today, I thought the AW firing was unfair. But after this tantrum, I don't have any sympathy.

"@if only you had strangled someone with your tie, you'd be back within 6 months lol."

Daniel Bryan wasn't a dick about it. That's why they re-hired him. And a year after the firing incident, he had MITB and was on track to hold the world title.

A year from now, AW is going to be working indy shows in high school gyms.

Deadman31
08-11-12, 04:10 AM
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EdTheRipper
08-11-12, 04:52 AM
If I remember correctly, they have the signings before the show and they should be free.

Thanks for the info. Can't wait for tonight :D

boredsilly
08-11-12, 09:06 AM
I do think it's a little rough to fire someone for a few off color remarks. But I think what it comes down to is AW said the things he said, and he just isn't compelling enough of an act to try and work with. It might suck, but if Punk, Cena, Bryan, Orton, Ziggler, Rock, etc said the same thing they would still have jobs because they're worth working with. I can only speak for myself, but AW was a guy that made me change the channel. When you're on his level in WWE, you have to be extra careful and humble.

TheKing
08-11-12, 03:17 PM
Earlier today, I thought the AW firing was unfair. But after this tantrum, I don't have any sympathy.



Daniel Bryan wasn't a dick about it. That's why they re-hired him. And a year after the firing incident, he had MITB and was on track to hold the world title.

A year from now, AW is going to be working indy shows in high school gyms.

That's not AW talking, that's a comment from one of his fans.

From PWInsider:

WWE informed Abraham Washington (real name, Brian Jossie) today that he was being released, just a few weeks after a comparison to his team and Kobe Bryant's rape allegations in Colorado were made on Raw.

In response, Washington wrote on his Twitter, "AWPromotions is no more ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for your support and hate, it's been a great run. Now I get to do me which isn't PG! @TitusONeilWWE & @DarrenYoungWWE thank you for allowing me to speak on your behalf. You guys are the best and I'm glad to call u my friends! I've offended the wrong people that taught me how to have ATTITUDE It was the #WWE that made me bold and now it has turned it's back on me Let this be a lesson to up and coming talent in the WWE don't try and be great like the Rock or Stone Cold. WWE isn't the same. Just be normal shut up and be a yes man so you can collect your check and feel like your special. #SELLOUTS!! I remember a time when the WWE didn't care about breaking the mold but now everyone is so afraid of their own shadow. #RemeberTheFans Thanks to the fans who showed me support over the whole Kobe thing and to those I upset I apologize again. Remember It's entertainment folks I really do hope Linda wins that election because If not then all of this BS has been for nothing. #GoLinda!! Thank you WWE for creating me and then killing me because I only portrayed what I grew up watching... The #WWE!!"

Reading that actually gives me a little more respect for the guy, and what he's saying is pretty close to the truth. To me, I was more offended at the joke being out of date more than the actual content. But he shouldn't have been fired.

I never was a huge fan of his work, but he was a decent mouthpiece, something the WWE really needs.

EdTheRipper
08-11-12, 04:27 PM
Getting ready to head out to the ROH show. If anyone winds up ordering it, be on the lookout for my family and I. We're 4th row...unsure of which side. My wife will be wearing a red, old-logo ROH shirt and I will be wearing my Barber Shop Window Kamala shirt. :D

stingermck
08-11-12, 05:34 PM
A.W. has continued to lambast WWE via Twitter after his contract was terminated Friday for what a company spokesman says was due to his continued use of offensive and inappropriate comments on live television and on social media after making a rape joke on the July 30 episode of Raw.

The boisterous personality strongly feels his firing is unfair and that he is being subject to double standards by WWE, pointing out other offensive events where an employee was suspended at most. He wrote, "If I smoked crack or did steroids I'd get suspended but I made a joke and tweeted support Linda and I get fired. #Doesn'tAddUp #Hmmmmm."

A.W. posted several fan remarks noting WWE's double standards towards offensive and inappropriate comments, including Tensai making stereotypical remarks about Japanese people last week on Tout, John Cena cracking homophobic insults on WWE programming, Randy Orton suggesting during a radio interview that Kelly Kelly had sexual relations with upwards of ten WWE Superstars, and Cena and Jerry "The King" Lawler hurling weight-related barbs toward Vickie Guerrero.

"They didn't do shit to Randy Orton when he called Kelly Kelly a slut, you see the double standard? Fuck politics. #AWForLife."

"Im a HUGE Cena fan, but Cena made fat jokes w/ King, genitalia jokes n homo jokes. Orton bashes K2, Vince mocks JR! #FuckUWWE"

"so stealing a car, having a yng girl trying to fuck 3 guys at once and not to mntion the Tensai thing is ok, but no jokes? #BS"

A.W. continued to point out the hypocrisy in Vince McMahon mocking Jim Ross' affliction with Bell's palsy while simultaneously promoting the 'be a STAR' anti-bullying campaign; on the June 11 episode of Raw, the WWE Chairman donned a J.R.-style hat, mimicked Ross' facial paralysis and yelled, "Stone Cold! Stone Cold! Stone Cold!" He re-tweeted, "So Vince can continually bash @JRsBBQ by teasing his ball palsy but yet your comments where deemed worse? Be a star my ass." He then posted a photo of McMahon distorting his face to ridicule Ross, with the caption reading "MOCKING JR: QUALITY PG ENTERTAINMENT."

A.W. also pointed out McMahon using a racial slur on WWE programming in 2006, and enclosed a link to footage of the segment. He noted via re-tweet, "VINCE MCMAHON CAN SAY THE "N" WORD ON NATIONAL T.V. BUT @AWPromotions CAN'T TELL A JOKE.............whats wrong with this picture???"

A.W. also feels it's hypocritical that WWE would celebrate boxer Mike Tyson, who was convicted of rape in 1992 and sentenced to six years in prison. He re-tweeted, "You said one Kobe Bryant rape joke and you got fired. Isn't Mike Tyson a convicted rapist? Yet he is in the HoF. Hypocrisy." He then posted side-by-side images of himself and Tyson, with the caption over his photo reading "FIRED FROM WWE OVER RAPE JOKE" and a caption over the Tyson photo reading "CONVICTED RAPIST - WWE HALL OF FAMER."

A.W. plans to continue to "shoot" as he has set up a second Twitter account under his real name, Brian Jossie, at BJRatedR. He noted on the account, "Ladies and Gentlemen welcome to my fucking non PG world!!! Where all bets are off and I tell it like it is. Fuck the Bull Shit, I'm legit!"

https://p.twimg.com/Az_kLM4CMAIxuS-.jpg:large

Keep the pipe bombs coming.

DGibFen
08-12-12, 12:05 PM
Getting ready to head out to the ROH show. If anyone winds up ordering it, be on the lookout for my family and I. We're 4th row...unsure of which side. My wife will be wearing a red, old-logo ROH shirt and I will be wearing my Barber Shop Window Kamala shirt. :D

How was it watching Steen (possibly kayfabe) punching out two fans at the end?

EdTheRipper
08-12-12, 01:06 PM
Honestly, it happened pretty fast and was too far left for me to really see. I just saw the aftermath and heard the "You got served" chants.

Here are the few pics I managed to get at the show. Spoilered for size...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/edtheripper/550992_10151038879476347_1664850153.jpg
That was pretty much our spot for the evening when anyone came or went to the ring
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/edtheripper/217762_10151038879356347_2078184972.jpg
Our view of the ring. That light tower to the upper left is why I barely got any pics. Created a huge glare
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/edtheripper/625577_10151038879301347_182047203_.jpg
Steen, walking out after the incident

Nesbit
08-12-12, 07:44 PM
AW isn't The Rock, Stone Cold, or Mike Tyson. He's C level talent who made a rape joke during Linda McMahon's campaign.

EdTheRipper
08-12-12, 11:02 PM
KEVIN STEEN ROH FAN ATTACK UPDATE
by Mike Johnson @ 10:05 PM on 8/12/2012

Since we have received so many emails about ROH champion Kevin Steen legitimately attacking fans last night at the close of the ROH Boiling Point iPPV, I wanted to let everyone so angered and upset about the situation know that the incident was a planned angle.
Numerous ROH sources have indicated that the "fans" involved were actually students of Bob Evans who did a tremendous job in getting themselves over as actual fans all night and then did an even better job in selling the attack.

So, for everyone writing about how terrible ROH is for not addressing this, the reality is that ROH did a great job at their job last night - getting over believable angles that make fans believe. That was all.

So, save the anger and enjoy the moment.

Obey The D
08-13-12, 07:04 PM
I guess Punk is back to being a face?

devilshalo
08-13-12, 07:24 PM
Bahaha at the Goldberg chants during Ryback's match.

devilshalo
08-13-12, 08:06 PM
Piper is kind of out of place in this segment.

GuessWho
08-13-12, 11:30 PM
Several weeks of 3-hour Raws and still no Ryder.

How long until "Woo woo woo, you're future endeavored, bro!"?

TheKing
08-14-12, 12:24 AM
JTG makes it on RAW! Meanwhile, his former partner Shad Gaspard debuted for NWA Hollywood over the weekend.

I'm not really sure which one is doing better at this point.

stingermck
08-14-12, 07:13 AM
Didn't start watching until 10, so I was able to FF a lot. Didn't take long to watch. Terrible over acting by HBK at the end.

DRG
08-14-12, 10:14 AM
I like what they're doing with Damien Sandow, but I feel sort of bad for Christian. Exactly one year ago he lost the World Heavyweight belt to Orton, now he's just a stepping stone for new talent... jobbing in the middle of Raw. I suppose he was doomed when his face turn and Intercontinental run drew no heat. They should just put him in a tag team with someone like Tyson Kidd or Justin Gabriel and let him help boost that division.

Punk's character is downright schizophrenic at this point. At times he is a no-nonsense "This is how it is and I don't care if you like it" tweener, at other times he's a petulant heel. I also hate how they seem to imply that turning on Cena automatically makes Punk a bad guy, even though they've had a pretty consistent history of not being friends -- aside from a few moments during the Laurenitis angle. Like anyone who disagrees with the big hero Cena must automatically be a villain.

Piper was pretty terrible here. It felt like they sent Vickie in early because the segment was dying, and even then Piper got in the way of the promo.

GuessWho
08-14-12, 05:53 PM
"He's in a movie about frogs."
--Roddy Piper 8/13/12




Miz is in a remake of yours, Rod?

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NORML54601
08-14-12, 06:12 PM
The whole YES/NO thing is starting to approach the level of distain I hold for the WHAT chants. If she weren't so cute I'd also be lobbying for AJ to get off TV, She's just not credible in the GM role.

devilshalo
08-15-12, 01:42 AM
The whole YES/NO thing is starting to approach the level of distain I hold for the WHAT chants. If she weren't so cute I'd also be lobbying for AJ to get off TV, She's just not credible in the GM role.
What stain are you talking about? Dis one or dat one?

As for AW, I thought he was pretty terrible for the most part. Primetime Players should go to Smackdown under Booker T and become the new Harlem Heat. Seemed weird to have a week where Primo and Epico enter without Rosa and the next week, Primetime Players enter without AW.

boredsilly
08-15-12, 07:50 AM
The whole YES/NO thing is starting to approach the level of distain I hold for the WHAT chants. If she weren't so cute I'd also be lobbying for AJ to get off TV, She's just not credible in the GM role.

Nothing will ever be as irritating as the WHAT! chants are to me. At least the Yes!/No! stuff seems to be unique to segments with AJ or Bryan, and haven't infected the whole show...yet.

TheBigDave
08-15-12, 11:36 AM
Not sure if this is an early/late April Fool's joke:

WWE Studios And Warner Bros Team For Animated ‘Scooby-Doo’ Film

Warner Bros and WWE Studios will coproduce a Scooby-Doo animated feature that will involve a mystery at WrestleMania. This seems a natural, since most Scooby-Doo episodes involved one of the gang pulling off the mask of a criminal who opines he would have gotten away with it if not for those pesky kids. Well, wrestlers are big on wearing masks, and the WWE has lined up its grapplers Triple H, John Cena, Kane, The Miz, Brodus Clay, Santino Marella, Sin Cara, AJ, and WWE chairman/CEO Vince McMahon to lend their voices and appear in animated form in the film. Warner Bros Home Entertainment will distribute the film through Blu-ray, DVD, VOD and digital download, and the WWE will use its considerable resources to promote the effort, said WWE Studios President Michael Luisi.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/wwe-studios-and-warner-bros-team-for-animated-film/

fujishig
08-15-12, 11:42 AM
I'm not sure if this was posted here, but this talks about WWE partnering with Saban on a new Saturday morning kids block:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/09/business/la-fi-ct-saban-kids-tv-20120809

including a show called Saturday Morning Slam. So they are going after younger viewers, and that Scooby Doo thing does make sense. I mean, Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n Wrestling cartoon was pretty terrible, but I liked it as a kid.

brainee
08-15-12, 03:16 PM
Sin Cara as a voice actor?!?! Has he even spoken? The "real" Sin Cara that is, not when Hunico was wearing the costume.

DGibFen
08-19-12, 03:34 PM
Sin Cara as a voice actor?!?! Has he even spoken? The "real" Sin Cara that is, not when Hunico was wearing the costume.

He'll dramatically point things out to Scooby.

DGibFen
08-19-12, 03:40 PM
Summerslam card:

Triple Threat Match for the WWE Championship
CM Punk (c) vs. John Cena vs. Big Show

WWE World Heavyweight Championship
Sheamus (c) vs. Alberto Del Rio

Giant Insecurity Match
Triple HHH vs. Brock Lesnar w/ Paul Heyman

The Anger Management Match
Daniel Bryan vs. Kane

WWE Intercontinental Championship
The Miz (c) vs. Rey Mysterio

Dolph Ziggler vs. Chris Jericho

WWE Tag Team Championship
Kofi Kingston & R-Truth (c) vs. The Prime Time Players (Titus O'Neil & Darren Young)

WWE United States Championship
Santino Marella (c) vs. Antonio Cesaro

EdTheRipper
08-19-12, 05:55 PM
It saddens me to say but this is the first time in years that I have completely lost interest in WWE. Judging from the number of posts in this thread so deep in the month, looks like I'm not the only one.

GuessWho
08-19-12, 06:31 PM
My prediction:

Jericho defeats Ziggler, proving he can win the big one.

Later, Ziggler cashes in his contract and defeats a weary Sheamus.

NORML54601
08-19-12, 07:23 PM
I ordered out of boredom.

Jericho/Ziggler to start the show. Very disappointing match, short and all over the place. Jericho won clean with the Walls. Dueling "Let's go Ziggler" and "Y2J" chants during the match.

Quack
08-19-12, 07:39 PM
Daniel beats Kane....wasn't really paying attention too much.

NORML54601
08-19-12, 07:40 PM
Kane/Bryan next. Pretty basic match, Bryan won with a small package as Kane was going for the tombstone. Kane trashing the backstage area and beating up Josh Matthews while looking for Bryan.

GuessWho
08-19-12, 07:44 PM
My prediction:

Jericho defeats Ziggler, proving he can win the big one.

Later, Ziggler cashes in his contract and defeats a weary Sheamus.

50% correct so far

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/ep_full/public/ep/image/2012/08/SUN_0819_LARGE_SS_v_jericho_ziggler_L.jpg

GuessWho
08-19-12, 07:46 PM
Cesaro winning US Title from Santino

http://www.wwe.com/inside/rtdvrvid2

NORML54601
08-19-12, 07:55 PM
Miz/Mysterio now. Mysterio dressed as Batman. Best match of the show so far with several near falls. Miz is surprisingly over with the crowd. Miz won with the Skull Crushing Finale after dropping Mysterio's head on the top turnbuckle.

Quack
08-19-12, 08:18 PM
Nice botch ending for Del Rio/Sheamus match.....his leg was on the rope, way to go Keota!

NORML54601
08-19-12, 08:24 PM
Sheamus pinned ADR in a strange finish. RR through his shoe to Del Rio but Sheamus caught it and hit ADR with it. He then hit the Irish Curse Backbreaker and pinned ADR, who had his foot on the rope. The ref didn't see it and Sheamus knocked the foot of the rope before the ref could notice. The finish came very abruptly. No sign of Ziggler even though one of the turnbuckles was exposed which seemed like it could come into play if Ziggler cashed in.

DGibFen
08-19-12, 08:27 PM
Crowd yelling "Kobe Bryant" during the tag team match.

NORML54601
08-19-12, 08:34 PM
Kofi & Truth over The Primetime Players when Truth hit the lie detector in a 6 minute match. PTP didn't even get an entrance. I did not expect this finish at all, figured the belts were going to change hands.

NORML54601
08-19-12, 08:43 PM
Triple threat now so Lesnar/HHH is going on last. Cena booed huge when he came out and Punk is super over.

GuessWho
08-19-12, 08:54 PM
No sign of Ziggler even though one of the turnbuckles was exposed which seemed like it could come into play if Ziggler cashed in.Doh! Thought I was up to something.

NORML54601
08-19-12, 09:03 PM
Show tapped while in both the Anaconda Vice and the STF at the same time. AJ came out and took forever to order the match restarted. Finish came when Cena hit the AA on Show and Punk threw Cena out of the ring and pinned show. Basically the entire match was Show beating up both guys with each getting the occasional move in before Show regained control. Not very good at all.

Either they have a dark match planned or Lesnar/HHH is going 30 minutes.

Quack
08-19-12, 09:05 PM
Punk retains.

sleepyhead55
08-19-12, 09:12 PM
Why is some clown singing some generic shitty song right now? It came right out after a trailer for the new WWE films release.

NORML54601
08-19-12, 09:12 PM
Even better, a shitty song being played live by some guy I've never heard of. Crowd is DEAD for this. Meanwhile Justin Roberts, Lillian, and Cole are doing the macarana at ringside. Yes you read that correctly.

NORML54601
08-19-12, 09:13 PM
Why is some clown singing some generic shitty song right now? It came right out after a trailer for the new WWE films release.

The movie looked like it may not be as shitty as the rest of the WWE movies.

Quack
08-19-12, 09:14 PM
I wonder if this is because of the botched ending of the Del Rio match and maybe not having Zigg run in.

DGibFen
08-19-12, 09:16 PM
I wonder if this is because of the botched ending of the Del Rio match and maybe not having Zigg run in.

No, they mentioned that the guy would be performing at Summerslam - in one brief statement during RAW one week.

sleepyhead55
08-19-12, 09:16 PM
That was just so cheesy. Yeah the 10 minutes couldn't be used for another match. Didn't they do the same crap at Wrestlemania as well? I seem to remember some concert/musical performance there too.

NORML54601
08-19-12, 09:21 PM
That was just so cheesy. Yeah the 10 minutes couldn't be used for another match. Didn't they do the same crap at Wrestlemania as well? I seem to remember some concert/musical performance there too.

Yeah, 2 other guys I'd never heard of played the entrance music for the guys in the main event.

DGibFen
08-19-12, 09:44 PM
Huh. Brock actually won. Assuming the ref didn't call for the bell because HHH was close to a broken arm.

Quack
08-19-12, 09:44 PM
HHH taps out....*yawn

NORML54601
08-19-12, 09:44 PM
Lesnar over HHH via Kimoura. Lesnar took 2 pedigrees. Match was exactly what you'd expect and what it should have been, I wasn't sure HHH would put Lesnar over. Looks like Taker has his next WM opponent.

NORML54601
08-19-12, 09:47 PM
:lol: @ the "you tapped out" chants. This has been a good crowd, especially given the pretty crappy show they watched.

TheKing
08-20-12, 02:24 PM
WWE had Fred Durst tossed from the building last night after he gave the finger to the camera :lol:

Good job dude, the first time you've been on TV in five years and it gets you kicked out.

Dr. DVD
08-20-12, 05:42 PM
Lesnar over HHH via Kimoura. Lesnar took 2 pedigrees. Match was exactly what you'd expect and what it should have been, I wasn't sure HHH would put Lesnar over. Looks like Taker has his next WM opponent.


I too was hoping this would happen. It makes logical sense, which is why I figured WWE wouldn't do it. ;) If what they want for Mania is Lesnar vs. Taker, then the only way for them to really build interest is to have Lesnar dismantle Taker's two greatest opponents. Given the obvious large amount of respect Taker has for them and wanting to preserve the legacy of their matches, he will inevitably step up to the plate to face Lesnar. I just hope they keep Lesnar on a streak of annihlating all who face him, as anything less will make him seem like a (more obvious) victim for Taker. Of course they also need to start replaying clips from the UFC fight where the seeds for this were planted. :)

TheBigDave
08-20-12, 09:05 PM
Did Zack's head even get within a foot of the mat on that piledriver?

boredsilly
08-21-12, 02:40 AM
Surprisingly I actually enjoyed Raw last night.

Kedrix
08-21-12, 09:17 AM
Surprisingly I actually enjoyed Raw last night.

Glad somebody did. Outside of Paul Heyman's awesome speech at the beginning, my time would have been better served curled up in the fetal position. Okay, Katielyn winning the Diva battle royal was cool and I did appreciate to see Otunga back (but he needs to grow the goatee back).

But Raw seriously pissed me off. Let's see...Zack Ryder getting buried again by Kane (I mean really...who did Zack piss on?). Daniel Bryan, anger management courses? They have turned a fantastic wrestler in to somebody who constantly rants about the words yes or no.

The whole Ziggler/Jericho thing was baffling. Sadly, Cole said it best, Jericho can not win the big one. I understand he's going back to tour with Fozzy, but the whole thing came off odd at the end especially with Jericho beating up Ziggler one last time.

Finally, congrats to WWE for turning CM Punk from heel w/purpose to babyface w/some sense of purpose to tweener w/respect issues to crybaby heel. The ending segment was awful, capped by the nonsensical attack on Jerry Lawler. I sppose there will be people to defend it but I can't defend it and I'm usually fairly positive. *sigh*

Kedrix
08-21-12, 09:21 AM
Did Zack's head even get within a foot of the mat on that piledriver?

With all of the freak accidents and piledrivers over the years, I wouldn't care if it was three feet of the mat. There is little reason to make that move look realistic anymore.

Obey The D
08-21-12, 10:25 AM
The whole Ziggler/Jericho thing was baffling. Sadly, Cole said it best, Jericho can not win the big one. I understand he's going back to tour with Fozzy, but the whole thing came off odd at the end especially with Jericho beating up Ziggler one last time.

This left me scratching my head. They have Jericho do a face turn just a short while back in order to feud with Ziggler. Common sense would have Jericho shaking his hand after the match to "pass the torch" from the older superstar to the younger one and have Ziggler bash him with the case to gain more heal heat, instead we get the complete opposite. I guess between this and Ziggler being annoyed with Vicki a face turn may be coming.

Randy Orton needs to form an alliance with a blade of grass, a road cone, and a boulder and name the stable "Things That Have More Charisma Than Me".

stingermck
08-21-12, 10:56 AM
Punk's kick got zero reaction from the crowd too. No heat, nothing. Kinda reminds me of when WCW turned Sting heel and was still cheered.

boredsilly
08-21-12, 01:15 PM
Who's fault is that do you think? I think Punk is exceptional, but his heel turn might just be a little too nuanced to really get over in this current climate. Also, wrestling fans seem to be so resistant to "playing along" with the storylines these days.

Not that Punk needs anyone to talk for him, but I think it would be neat if they had Punk align with Lesnar and Heyman some kind of way. Especially is Lesnar was fulltime.

boredsilly
08-21-12, 01:16 PM
This left me scratching my head. They have Jericho do a face turn just a short while back in order to feud with Ziggler. Common sense would have Jericho shaking his hand after the match to "pass the torch" from the older superstar to the younger one and have Ziggler bash him with the case to gain more heal heat, instead we get the complete opposite. I guess between this and Ziggler being annoyed with Vicki a face turn may be coming.


Now that you mention it, that seems like the clear way to go. Pretty much what Jericho did to HBK after their Mania match.

stingermck
08-21-12, 01:23 PM
[QUOTE=boredsilly;11354824]Who's fault is that do you think? I think Punk is exceptional, but his heel turn might just be a little too nuanced to really get over in this current climate. Also, wrestling fans seem to be so resistant to "playing along" with the storylines these days.
QUOTE]

I think thats simply it. Punk is still generally liked by the crowd. Pitting him against Cena, who still gets mixed reaction is not helping either.

DRG
08-21-12, 01:27 PM
I really wish Punk had called Cena out for using cheap audience approval tactics when trying to explain his position. He didn't need it to make his point and it just came off as desperate... although Cena always resorts to this crap when the audience isn't behind him, which is what pisses me off the most when he tries to play that "You bought your ticket, you can cheer for whoever you want" card.

boredsilly
08-22-12, 04:16 AM
I really wish Punk had called Cena out for using cheap audience approval tactics when trying to explain his position. He didn't need it to make his point and it just came off as desperate... although Cena always resorts to this crap when the audience isn't behind him, which is what pisses me off the most when he tries to play that "You bought your ticket, you can cheer for whoever you want" card.

If Punk is trying to get over as a heel, that's the last thing he should do. Also, that kind of stuff doesn't bother me. That's wrestling. So many of the greats use the tactic of shouting out the hometown. Same as heels shitting on the live audience to get instant heel heat. If something works, it works.

GuessWho
08-22-12, 08:54 PM
Tyler Reks granted his (requested) release

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ivnr2p

Timber
08-22-12, 09:09 PM
Hold on, Gail Kim is engaged to Robert Irvine? I guess there is really no reason for me to know that but it was strange seeing her on his show planning their wedding.

TheKing
08-22-12, 10:00 PM
Tyler Reks granted his (requested) release

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ivnr2p

Curt Hawkins should start getting his affairs in order. Once the election is over, I have a feeling he's gonna be out of a job.

DRG
08-23-12, 12:33 PM
Tyler Reks granted his (requested) release

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ivnr2p

Strange timing, as it seemed like they were about to get a push.

devilshalo
08-23-12, 05:17 PM
Hold on, Gail Kim is engaged to Robert Irvine? I guess there is really no reason for me to know that but it was strange seeing her on his show planning their wedding.

They met on his show Dinner:Impossible back in 2009 when they did a WWE themed show.

GuessWho
08-24-12, 06:14 PM
Why the hell does Colt Cabana post his podcast at 160 kbps? Takes forever to download.

(Most other podcasts I've seen post at 64)

GuessWho
08-24-12, 09:40 PM
Dolph is a lucky man... Or was

http://www.examiner.com/article/amy-schumer-dumped-wwe-s-dolph-ziggler-because-sex-was-too-athletic

Dr. DVD
08-25-12, 08:00 PM
She can put stories about Dolph in her act, but she still won't be funny.

TheKing
08-26-12, 07:38 PM
Anybody else watch Saturday Morning Slam?

It's interesting to see a show that WWE is marketing completely to kids. I don't know if it's just my local station, but the show was broadcast in 4X3, which I guess is so it matches the rest of the shows in the Vortex block.

Lots of blurring, the WCW Nitro logos were blurred during a brief segment featuring Disco Inferno. Shirts and hats in the crowd were blurred. Even the WWE.com banner on the ring apron was blurred.

But then they actually had a pretty decent match between Kofi Kingston and Heath Slater. It was really an old school type of match, and was pretty lengthy considering the show is only 30 minutes and the typical length of RAW match. They even had the match start with Kofi offering a handshake.

Overall, the only thing really worth watching was the match. It's a shame that we can't get the kind of saturday morning shows that we had back in the 80s and 90s, ones that didn't assume that every kid had ADD and needed everything dumbed down. I mean it was on Superstars that HBK put Jannetty through the Barber Shop window, and Earthquake squashed Damien. Hell, Jake Roberts pulled out a devenomized cobra and it bit down on Randy Savage's arm. All this happened with "kids" programming, and none of it during the Attitude Era.

This isn't just a WWE issue, it's just how we present things to kids these days. Everything is dumbed down to the point of incoherence, and shoved out at 1000mph so nothing can possibly stick.

GuessWho
08-26-12, 07:40 PM
Did you notice in the match that there weren't any moves striking the head or neck?

TheKing
08-27-12, 01:05 AM
Did you notice in the match that there weren't any moves striking the head or neck?

I didn't really take note of that, but it doesn't shock me. I noticed more that the pace was slower, and it felt more like an 80s match, with a bit of high flying spice from Kofi.

They ran one of their Don't Try This promos when they came back from commercial during the match so I'm sure they're being very careful as to what they're going to show on this program. I mean at the end of the day, this is a show being made for 8-10 year old boys.

Kedrix
08-27-12, 09:45 AM
I finally got around to watching the DDP WCW Nitro set, the first two discs anyway and I'm actually enjoying it quite a bit. One thing though, I guess it slipped my mind but good lord was Tony Schiavone a douche bag. It's one thing to stick up for WCW, but its another to sit there and advocate some of the things he wished on the NWO. Sure, people wanted to hate NWO big time, but he was doing everything short of calling out a hit on them. Anyway, it was also amazing how much trash got in the ring sometimes during anything NWO related. Man, what a different environment back then. Wish they would have had full matches on this set though.

Timber
08-27-12, 11:06 AM
Did they touch on DDP's managing career at all? I always thought it was facinating that this guy went from managing Ba(double D) Company in the AWA to managing The Diamond Studd (Scott Hall) in WCW to finally being a pretty good wrestler. I guess a path similar to Raven but still interesting.

Kedrix
08-27-12, 02:25 PM
Did they touch on DDP's managing career at all? I always thought it was facinating that this guy went from managing Ba(double D) Company in the AWA to managing The Diamond Studd (Scott Hall) in WCW to finally being a pretty good wrestler. I guess a path similar to Raven but still interesting.

Nah, unfortunately not. It's not a DDP dvd set (unfortunately), its a Nitro set hosted by DDP that has 6 DDP matches I believe. I'm hoping that since DDP is now on a legends contract with WWE, that just maybe we will see a real set with just DDP that covers his whole career.

Obey The D
08-27-12, 08:40 PM
I normally can't stand WWE "skits", but Kane's speech in anger management had me laughing. Especially him mentioning his failed relationship with "Katie" :lol:

Bill Needle
08-27-12, 09:10 PM
Just started watching my recording of tonight's Raw. Nine minutes in and all I can say is any night with an Andy Kaufman reference is a good night.

DGibFen
08-27-12, 10:15 PM
I love a babyface that valiantly waits for the cage to be raised up by the stage crew while the announcer is beaten repeatedly by a vicious heel.

Obey The D
08-27-12, 10:23 PM
Really don't like what they are doing with Punk. He was one of the reasons I got back into Raw a little over a year ago. Is a beat down of Lawler really the best the writers could come up with to give him heal heat? They are making him look like a complete pussy. Him dropping the Title to Cena looks like a given at this point.

Shamus McAnally
08-27-12, 10:28 PM
I normally can't stand WWE "skits", but Kane's speech in anger management had me laughing. Especially him mentioning his failed relationship with "Katie" :lol:

Agreed. This was the best "stupid" skit in ages. Kane's reminiscing totally had me laughing.

DRG
08-27-12, 11:10 PM
Really don't like what they are doing with Punk. He was one of the reasons I got back into Raw a little over a year ago. Is a beat down of Lawler really the best the writers could come up with to give him heal heat? They are making him look like a complete pussy. Him dropping the Title to Cena looks like a given at this point.

Agreed. They are working overtime trying to get him over as a heel but I just don't see the logic at this point. A tweener still makes more sense. Don't get me wrong, his face run was getting stale but they seem to be heel-heavy right now as is. Who are the credible main eventer faces at this point? Cena, Sheamus, Orton (who's supposedly off to shoot a movie soon)? HHH is done for a while, Jericho is out for his tour or whatever. Mysterio, eh I don't know at this point. They are going to need to turn or push some people soon.

GuessWho
08-27-12, 11:58 PM
CM Punk will be cheered crasyass style next week at home no matter what he does.

Kane in anger management was the best segment in weeks.

sharkstank
08-28-12, 01:49 AM
Him dropping the Title to Cena looks like a given at this point.

People said that before Raw 1000 too. And before Summerslam.

devilshalo
08-28-12, 03:39 AM
Matches like that will keep Thwagger off the air. Not sure it will hurt Ryback since they are dead set on pushing the guy.

stingermck
08-28-12, 08:24 AM
Really don't like what they are doing with Punk. He was one of the reasons I got back into Raw a little over a year ago. Is a beat down of Lawler really the best the writers could come up with to give him heal heat? They are making him look like a complete pussy. Him dropping the Title to Cena looks like a given at this point.

Same here. I went from watching once every other month, to weekly because of Punk. This is not working.

boredsilly
08-28-12, 10:24 AM
How long did it take for Goldberg to get over? It would be interesting to see someone brought in and pushed to the moon the way Goldy was. Sure, you would need to find the right guy, but I wonder how I would perceive Sheamus if he never suffered through that 8 month depush. Or even Miz for that matter.

Hell, you can even look at how quickly Brock Lesnar got over because he was treated a certain way. Again, granted, he was the right talent at the right time, but I would just love to see someone brought in that way again.

I am just so bored with the upper card of the WWE right now. The guys that are there are fine, but there are just so few of them. How many true AAA main eventers does WWE have right now? It feels like the show is at an all time low. Especially compared to say WCW of 1998 (even if all of the AAA main eventers weren't good wrestlers).

Unclejosh
08-28-12, 10:53 AM
I said it before and I will say it again. Punk as a heel does not work. It didnt work when he had that lame straight edge society with those 2 losers, and it doesnt work now. Didnt they learn anything with Steve Austin? You can't turn popular tweeners heel. It doesnt work.

Kedrix
08-28-12, 11:48 AM
I normally can't stand WWE "skits", but Kane's speech in anger management had me laughing. Especially him mentioning his failed relationship with "Katie" :lol:

About the only time I actually smiled last night. It was hilarious, i always say it, but Kane really does not get enough credit for his character. He's easily surpassed his "brother" in terms of mileage of character.

Still can't stand what they are doing with Punk, but then again there appears to be nothing that's going to stop it for the time being. And I just don't care about Ziggler no matter what WWE does with him. He has slightly above average wrestling talent, but he has very little charisma and therefore I just can't care about his character. I honestly hope he loses his MITB shot...but that's just my two cents.

Timber
08-28-12, 12:32 PM
He has slightly above average wrestling talent, but he has very little charisma and therefore I just can't care about his character. I honestly hope he loses his MITB shot...but that's just my two cents.

Thank you. They keep trying to push him as this charismatic guy but he has none. Take Vickie away from him and he will die a quick, quiet death. I don't get the facination with the guy.

devilshalo
08-28-12, 01:01 PM
How long did it take for Goldberg to get over?
Problem is, Goldberg didn't have to talk and his squashes were truly squash matches. Ryback takes too much time in the ring and his 'feed me more' line is lame. The announcers aren't really selling anything about his streak. And there's no respectable mid card jobber stable for Ryback that anyone cares about. Jinder Mahal? Jack Swagger?

Charlie Goose
08-28-12, 02:23 PM
Yeah, when Punk cut his famous promo last summer, the fans wouldn't accept him as a heel. Even after he badmouthed them during the speech. Hurting Lawler isn't going to do it this time around either. I predict that he will be back to being a tweener or face by Survivor Series.

stingermck
08-28-12, 03:22 PM
Yeah, when Punk cut his famous promo last summer, the fans wouldn't accept him as a heel. Even after he badmouthed them during the speech. Hurting Lawler isn't going to do it this time around either. I predict that he will be back to being a tweener or face by Survivor Series.

During his speech in the beginning, Punk was just telling it how it is. Lawler spent the attitude era as a horny old man, and never held the strap. I'm ok with a promo like that. But the beat down to make me hate Punk is not going to work.

devilshalo
08-28-12, 03:25 PM
Yeah, I pretty much would applaud Lawler getting a beat down at this point.

Timber
08-28-12, 03:26 PM
Funny how they used to have guys like Mick Fooley to put over heels like The Rock. Now they only have Lawler. They tried it with The Miz, now with Punk and it's just not credible.

boredsilly
08-28-12, 04:00 PM
Problem is, Goldberg didn't have to talk and his squashes were truly squash matches. Ryback takes too much time in the ring and his 'feed me more' line is lame. The announcers aren't really selling anything about his streak. And there's no respectable mid card jobber stable for Ryback that anyone cares about. Jinder Mahal? Jack Swagger?

I wasn't even comparing Goldberg to Ryback. I was only talking about Goldberg as an example of a guy that was brought in, pushed to the moon (without being toyed with too much) and resulting in one of the last true stars to emerge from WCW. I'm just curious if that kind of thing can be duplicated. Not the gimmick, but the push if that makes sense.

I said it before and I will say it again. Punk as a heel does not work. It didnt work when he had that lame straight edge society with those 2 losers, and it doesnt work now. Didnt they learn anything with Steve Austin? You can't turn popular tweeners heel. It doesnt work.

When do you think Steve Austin was a tweener? I think when he first was turning face you could call him a tweener, but after that I think he was all the way face for most of his run. He wasn't smiley Mr. Nice Guy Bob Backlund, but he was a face.

NORML54601
08-28-12, 04:49 PM
Just a few random notes

-Ryback's new music sucks
-Who the hell is Kaitlyn?
-The Bryan/Kane skits were by far the best part of raw
-It's a miracle Swagger didn't break his neck in the Ryback match
-Can John Cena not climb a cage?

EdTheRipper
08-28-12, 05:15 PM
Yeah, I pretty much would applaud Lawler getting a beat down at this point.

Same. He actually annoys me more than Cole does at this point.

fujishig
08-28-12, 05:37 PM
Funny how they used to have guys like Mick Fooley to put over heels like The Rock. Now they only have Lawler. They tried it with The Miz, now with Punk and it's just not credible.

You can only beat down Rey so many times. I think he's the only "true" face left at the company; beating down Cena gets you cheers, and beating down Orton or Sheamus gets you... well, I'm not sure what it gets you, but it doesn't make you any more of a heel.

SethDLH
08-28-12, 05:47 PM
You can only beat down Rey so many times. I think he's the only "true" face left at the company; beating down Cena gets you cheers, and beating down Orton or Sheamus gets you... well, I'm not sure what it gets you, but it doesn't make you any more of a heel.

Truth. Rey is the most babyface babyface in the company. Orton may be a fan favorite but he's far from a babyface. Same with Sheamus. You just don't feel bad for a guy that just keeps winning along with stealing cars if he gets beat down. Rey in feuds works well and they don't overkill him getting the beatdown so that it loses it's flare. The WWE is in desperate need to true babyfaces.

stingermck
08-29-12, 08:11 AM
Just a few random notes

-Can John Cena not climb a cage?

I was thinking the same thing while watching.

Unclejosh
08-29-12, 08:38 AM
When do you think Steve Austin was a tweener? I think when he first was turning face you could call him a tweener, but after that I think he was all the way face for most of his run. He wasn't smiley Mr. Nice Guy Bob Backlund, but he was a face.

He was the very defination of tweener. Just because he was cheered doesnt make him a face.

See below #1 on the list
The business calls these folks "Tweeners" (as in, between Heel and Face). Essentially, it's when the bad guys get heroes' welcomes. (Keep in mind, the inversions of this - babyfaces who get booed out of the building, or supposed big things who get no reaction at all - do not qualify as Tweeners; that's called X-Pac Heat.) Examples of Tweeners include:
Stone Cold Steve Austin. Never trust a rattlesnake.
Chris Jericho makes a career out of doing this.
WWE wrestler Triple H seems to settle into this role whenever he attempts a Heel Face Turn. Mostly because, even as a face, he's kind of a prick—but a smart, funny prick.
During his TNA days, Christian Cage settled into this role after the dissolution of the Christian Coalition, and his major storyline was about him trying to rebuild his burned bridges with the faces on the roster, in order to combat his allies who had now joined the Angle Alliance. The fact that he was still pretty much a cocky asshole heel in characterization really hurt his efforts.
Ric Flair, whose exceptional skill at both grappling and cutting promos, and his ability to carry even the most pathetic "wrestlers" to four-star affairs while remaining the Dirtiest Player In The Game throughout, made him almost impossible to boo even as he started to push sixty.
Even at his most face-ish, the late Eddie Guerrero would lie, cheat, and steal to get his way. It was on his shirt. As he once said while teaming with his nephew Chavo, "Hey, we may lie, cheat, and steal — but at least we're honest about it."
Which begs the question: what the hell's an honest liar?
Which provides the answer to: "The following statement is true: the preceding statement was false."
One can pretty much just simply say any mid-card WCW wrestler that later became pretty big draws in WWE.
Jake "The Snake" Roberts was a Chaotic Evil version of the Wild Card. He could be a good guy for as long as he needed to.
Shawn Michaels. Montreal Screwjob aside, whether he's a heel or a face, even if he's just playing a commissioner, he's cheered out of the building.
The Rock kinda fits this example too. Whether he's a Face or a Heel, he will attack anybody just because he simply doesn't like him (examples: Vince McMahon and Stone Cold Steve Austin). Also, even when he's supposed to be a heel post-1999, fans will still cheer him on such as his fight with Goldberg. His charisma and obvious desire to entertain the fans even as a heel makes it really REALLY hard for fans to legitimately hate his character.
Randy Orton. Even after turning Face again, he still feuds and fights with John Cena and Triple H.
His assaults on both John Cena's father and the McMahon family should have made him the biggest heel in the company. Instead, fans tended to cheer him more.
The Undertaker and Kane also fit this example, as they will attack anybody they feel is a threat to them, not caring whether they are a Face or a Heel.
John Cena, despite turning Face in late 2003, still used Heel tactics to win some of his matches such as the one at Wrestlemania XX when he used the steel chain to defeat Big Show.
Kurt Angle will often be cheered regardless of his status as a face or heel due to his incredible in-ring ability. In fact, he once cut a promo proving exactly this: After saying that he is not a fan of "the black people" and wanting to make Jesus Christ tap out, he said people still wouldn't boo him because they knew he was the best in the world. The crowd promptly cheered.
Mickie James has never actually been booed in WWE. Fans loved her crazed psycho lesbian stalker gimmick so much she was cheered over the also very popular Trish Stratus at Wrestle Mania 22 and continued to be cheered through her heel run so she turned face and has remained so throughout her entire career.
Beth Phoenix slipped into this role when she was moved to Smackdown (she had been a heel on Raw) where she was immediately shown to be out for herself and a bit of a three way feud started between her, Mickie and Michelle McCool with Beth's allegiance constantly in question. Eventually she made a Heel Face Turn. Curiously when she turned back Heel she was still getting a large amount of cheers from the crowd, due to her character having a sympathetic point of view - wanting to make the division about talent instead of looks.
Similar to Beth, Kharma debuted as a Monster Heel but she only attacked heel divas at first, before then going for Face divas too. Her farewell promo blurred the lines even further.

TheKing
08-29-12, 04:29 PM
Truth. Rey is the most babyface babyface in the company. Orton may be a fan favorite but he's far from a babyface. Same with Sheamus. You just don't feel bad for a guy that just keeps winning along with stealing cars if he gets beat down. Rey in feuds works well and they don't overkill him getting the beatdown so that it loses it's flare. The WWE is in desperate need to true babyfaces.

They're in desperate need of people the fans truly care about.

I was watching past SummerSlams in the buildup to the this year's, and ended up watching 1997-2000. The thing about the Attitude Era is that everyone had a story, and the audience cared about just about everyone. I was taken aback by the reaction that D'Lo Brown got at both 98 and 99 where he was in the opening match. I don't remember him being a top face or heel in the company, but the crowd popped so loud for the guy both years.

When Mark Henry turned on him in '99, the crowd seemed genuinely angry. I know Sexual Chocolate had gotten over, but I didn't know it was to the point where the crowd would be upset that he turned on D'Lo. Of course maybe it had to do with the fact that Jarrett was always hated in the WWF (other than at Raw is Owen).

The WWF back then did much much more to make sure you cared about whoever came to the ring. Everyone had a chance to stand out and be unique. Now you get all these cookie cutter characters that just look, act and sound alike. And the crowd pisses on them every time.

It does look like they're starting to get away from that. Sandow is Genius clone, but at least he is clearly not something the WWE has had seen in a while. Same with Ryback. Sure, he's Goldberg 2.0, but he's getting over with the crowd because right now there's nobody else like him.

The WWE doesn't need profanity and sex, but they need the attention to detail and effort that was given during the Attitude era.

Dr. DVD
08-29-12, 05:53 PM
Yet another illustration of how much better things were during the Monday Night Wars era. WCW from 1996-1998 always had entertaining shows that more often than not had horrific main events. However, they always opened with a strong promo to build the drama, and followed it with a lot of great mid-card action, so you always felt interested.

GuessWho
08-29-12, 09:35 PM
Thank you. They keep trying to push him as this charismatic guy but he has none. Take Vickie away from him and he will die a quick, quiet death. I don't get the facination with the guy.If they would just let Dolph be the guy he is in Zack Ryder's YouTube series, he'd be golden.

NORML54601
08-31-12, 02:39 PM
Impact has become a better show than RAW over the last month or two.

NORML54601
08-31-12, 03:30 PM
Not sure if the original was posted here, but here are some stories of random people meeting wrestlers. Too long to quote but I included the (IMO) best one.

We close with a very special Virgil story. This one's from Brandon Stroud, proprietor of With Leather, and author of the best Raw rundown on the web. Brandon:


I have had two major interactions with Virgil in my life, and they've left an impression on me.

The first was back in 2007, when I flew to San Francisco to attend a thing called "Wrestle Fan Fest". There are wrestling conventions full of old wrestlers who want you to pay them to meet them or "sign-o-ramas" or whatever everywhere, but this was a big one. Kurt Angle was going to be there! The Million Dollar Man was going to be there! The Great Muta, who was my favorite wrestler when I was nine and helped get me into Japanese wrestling way before that marked you as an uncool guy on the Internet, was going to be there. I paid way too much money and made my peace with it.

Anyway, the event was held on a weekend (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) and because I had to fly and find a way to get there, I showed up bright and early on Saturday morning. Turns out the wrestlers I wanted to see had gotten in on Friday, discovered that the promoter of the event wasn't going to pay them and bailed. So early on Saturday morning I walk into a mostly-empty convention center thing at the Cow Palace to find Nick Bockwinkel standing around with a belt in his hand, "The Cruncher" Larry Zbyszko wandering around like someone who'd just been hit by a car and not a lot else. I asked the guy selling individual wrestler autograph and photo tickets (blergh) when Great Muta was supposed to show up. "He might be here, he might not," was his answer. "DATZ DA WRESTLIN' BIZNESS!"

So without a lot of better goals, my Wrestle Fan Fest experience became mostly about avoiding Virgil.



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After confirming that Angle, Muta and pretty much everyone worth a goddamn had vanished and left me holding photo tickets I'd probably have to use on The Blue Meanie, I looked around for Ted DiBiase. As you might've noticed from the picture, Virgil's banner he always carries around says "The Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase & Virgil WWE Superstar". As you might've also noticed, Ted DiBiase is not at that table with Virgil. So, as I phrased it when I wrote up a version of this story for Progressive Boink back in the long long ago, "we thought, hey, who better to ask about the Million Dollar Man than Virgil? Everybody better to ask about the million dollar man than virgil."

Virgil's purpose at a wrestling convention is to sell you $15 photos of Virgil at any cost, so of course my question of "is Ted DiBiase going to be at this table with you at some point during the day" was met with I UNNO BUT HERE'S A PIC OF ME WITH HIM LOOK AT THAT MILLION DOLLAR MAN AND VIRGIL and him holding it up like we're on The Price Is Right. He then points out a photo of him with Andre The Giant that we might find interesting, all the while wearing that Under Armour gear he always wears, because I guess he transports his 8x10s from show to show via fucking decathlon.

I think Virgil's only conversation mode is "sell photos of Virgil", because if you stand there long enough without buying stuff he tries to have a conversation with you, and THAT is just him saying something asinine to you every 15 minutes. It's like his brain can't handle a normal "so how's the weather" back-and-forth, and he breaks and defaults back into pointing at pictures and asking you if you remember when he did that. "That's a picture of when Million Dollar Man made a kid kiss his feet. You remember that?" And internally I'm like, yes Virgil, I like the Million Dollar Man so I remember that.

Internally my brain goes, "Yes Virgil, I remember that moment. Ted DiBiase's rich guy character made for lots of fun wrestling memories. Say, what are you doing in that picture?" "Holding money while Ted does things." "Oh, right. And in that one, where he's kicking a basketball to keep a kid from bouncing it ten times and winning money?" "Holding the money." "Right. Any idea when fucking Ted DiBiase's gonna be at this table?"

I'm stuck in this conversational mine shift with Virgil and it loops on and on forever, so I try to talk to him about Wrestle Fan Fest. I tell him that I'd flown in from Cleveland to San Francisco to meet the Great Muta, but that Muta'd bailed. Virgil's response took me by surprise: "That won't the real Great Muta anyway".

Now, in my head again I think "wrestling promoters are really shitty people, so what, did the guy in charge of Fan Fest just find somebody and put them in a Great Muta mask? Maybe I'm glad I didn't come on Friday." Virgil continued, making sure any semblance of logic my brain had been trying to put together for itself was royally fucked: "Naw, the original Great Muta died back in the 90s from AIDS. They replaced him with a younger, more agile Muta. With the mist." When he said "the mist", he dangled his fingers in front of his mouth.

I don't know how much you know about pro wrestling, but none of this is true. The Great Muta's been the same guy since 1988. He's always been agile, he's always used "the mist". There are only two ways I can interpret this story, putting myself in Virgil's brain:

1. He's talking about The Great Kabuki and getting them confused. Muta was introduced as "the son of the Great Kabuki" back in the NWA, but Kabuki also blew Asian mist, and to the best of my knowledge he's still alive.

2. Virgil wants me to think that all other wrestlers at Wrestle Fan Fest are dead, fake or gay, so that Virgil will be the best person there and I'll want to buy that picture of him in the weird red stripey pants he wore up to his armpits.

I wedged myself away from him (and eventually met DiBiase, who was pleasant, normal and sitting very far away from the Virgil table with his name on it), but the rest of the event involved me having to snake around to avoid the Virgil table or pay attention to his patterns a la Metal Gear Solid and get by without being pulled over to look at photos. Virgil never remembered that he'd talked to me before. I had a 20 minute conversation about AIDS with him at a wrestling convention and he thought I was a new guy every time.

I did not buy an 8x10.