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Venusian
07-25-12, 12:43 PM
So Chic-Fil-A has had controversy before but they are at it again. The President of the company basically said he is against gay marriage (although some argue the quotes are out of context, blah blah). Now the Mayor of Boston and an Alderman in Chicago are trying to block franchises from opening in their city for what the President said.

Are they infringing on his free speech rights? Are they simply blocking discrimination?



I think Cathy should not have made the comments he did but he has the right to and Chic-Fil-A as a corporation shouldn't be punished for it. If the restaurant discriminated, it'd be a different story but I haven't seen any proof that they treat gay customers or employees different than others.

Hokeyboy
07-25-12, 12:48 PM
Nobody is infringing on his free speech rights. He is just as free today to say all the bigoted, stupid shit he said yesterday. He will just as free tomorrow to do the same. :up:

He is also just as free to experience the business repercussions of his actions.

Venusian
07-25-12, 12:49 PM
Nobody is infringing on his free speech rights. He is just as free today to say all the bigoted, stupid shit he said yesterday. He will just as free tomorrow to do the same. :up:

He is also just as free to experience the business repercussions of his actions.
Folks boycotting is fine, but the government blocking him because of what he said sounds like it isn't free speech at all

X
07-25-12, 12:54 PM
"Cathy" is a "he"? Is he a crossdresser or transsexual?

Hokeyboy
07-25-12, 12:57 PM
Folks boycotting is fine, but the government blocking him because of what he said sounds like it isn't free speech at all
If a local community doesn't want to do business with an organization, I don't see how that's infringing upon his freedom to say what he wants in a public forum.

If local zoning codes prohibit porn/strip clubs/"adult" establishments from operating within a half-mile of any public schools, is that violating Free Speech rights?

movielib
07-25-12, 12:59 PM
Nobody is infringing on his free speech rights. He is just as free today to say all the bigoted, stupid shit he said yesterday. He will just as free tomorrow to do the same. :up:

He is also just as free to experience the business repercussions of his actions.
:up: Perfect answer.

Edit: Not perfect because I misinterpreted what Hokeyboy said. I thought he meant the business owner had to deal with his customers' reactions to his decision.

Tracer Bullet
07-25-12, 12:59 PM
A lawyer would know much better than me, but yes, it does seem as though these city governments are restricting his freedom of speech.

Venusian
07-25-12, 12:59 PM
If a local community doesn't want to do business with an organization, I don't see how that's infringing upon his freedom to say what he wants in a public forum.

How is the government doing business with an organization? If the public doesn't, that's fine. They don't have to shop there.


If there are repercussions from the govt for saying something, how is that free speech?

movielib
07-25-12, 12:59 PM
Folks boycotting is fine, but the government blocking him because of what he said sounds like it isn't free speech at all
:up: Also perfect.

Venusian
07-25-12, 01:00 PM
:up: Perfect answer.

really? You're okay with the govt blocking a business permit because of what one of the owner's of the business said?

Hokeyboy
07-25-12, 01:05 PM
If there are repercussions from the govt for saying something, how is that free speech?
Because it still doesn't take away his RIGHT to say whatever he wants. Period.

How is this different from erecting Blue Laws? Isn't that the government impinging morality on the public whether they like it or not? Try opening up, say, an erotica museum in Ave Maria, FL and see how far that gets you.

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 01:06 PM
really? You're okay with the govt blocking a business permit because of what one of the owner's of the business said?

That seemed strange to me too... it's the government using its power AS the government to punish somebody for their viewpoint.

WallyOPD
07-25-12, 01:09 PM
Because it still doesn't take away his RIGHT to say whatever he wants. Period.

How is this different from erecting Blue Laws? Isn't that the government impinging morality on the public whether they like it or not? Try opening up, say, an erotica museum in Ave Maria, FL and see how far that gets you.

All of the examples you're bringing up have to do with the content of the business. I don't think any of these governments are objecting to the chicken sandwiches that Chick-Fil-A is selling. If chicken restaurant A is allowed to open because they don't oppose gay marriage, and chicken restaurant B is not allowed to open because they do oppose it, how is that not a restriction on free speech?

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 01:13 PM
How is this different from erecting Blue Laws?

Blue Laws affect an entire industry.
This affects a single company.

That's how they're different.

Hokeyboy
07-25-12, 01:15 PM
All of the examples you're bringing up have to do with the content of the business. I don't think any of these governments are objecting to the chicken sandwiches that Chick-Fil-A is selling. If chicken restaurant A is allowed to open because they don't oppose gay marriage, and chicken restaurant B is not allowed to open because they do oppose it, how is that not a restriction on free speech?
There is no restriction on free speech. People are still allowed to say their minds freely without censorship of their words, thoughts, or ideas from the government (obvious libel issues notwithstanding).

Local mayors and townships vote to ban music, films, plays, etc. all the time. I don't like it either, so either you work to change local leadership, or move. :shrug:

wishbone
07-25-12, 01:17 PM
Alderman to Chick-fil-A: No deal
Moreno tries to block restaurant that opposes gay marriage from opening in his Northwest Side ward
July 25, 2012|By Hal Dardick, Chicago Tribune reporter

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6633/71298002.jpg
Ald. Proco "Joe" Moreno, 1st, doesn't want a Chick-fil-A fast-food store to open in his ward because the company's leader opposes gay marriage.

A Chicago alderman wants to kill Chick-fil-A's plans to build a restaurant in his increasingly trendy Northwest Side ward because the fast-food chain's top executive vocally opposes gay marriage.

Ald.Proco "Joe" Moreno announced this week that he will block Chick-fil-A's effort to build its second Chicago store, which would be in the Logan Square neighborhood, following company President Dan Cathy's remarks last week that he was "guilty as charged" for supporting the biblical definition of marriage as between a man and woman.

"If you are discriminating against a segment of the community, I don't want you in the 1st Ward," Moreno told the Tribune on Tuesday.

Moreno stated his position in strong terms, referring to Cathy's "bigoted, homophobic comments" in a proposed opinion page piece that an aide also sent to Tribune reporters. "Because of this man's ignorance, I will now be denying Chick-fil-A's permit to open a restaurant in the 1st Ward."

The alderman has the ideological support of Mayor Rahm Emanuel.

"Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values," the mayor said in a statement when asked about Moreno's decision. "They disrespect our fellow neighbors and residents. This would be a bad investment, since it would be empty."

Moreno is relying on a rarely violated Chicago tradition known as aldermanic privilege, which dictates that City Council members defer to the opinion of the ward alderman on local issues. Last year Moreno wielded that weapon to block plans for a Wal-Martin his ward, saying he had issues with the property owner and that Wal-Mart was not "a perfect fit for the area."

Chick-fil-A already has obtained zoning for a restaurant in the 2500 block of North Elston Avenue, but it must seek council approval to divide the land so it can purchase an out lot near Home Depot, Moreno said.

In opposing Chick-fil-A, Moreno stakes out a position likely to resonate in his hipster ward and much of the rest of the city, where public officials have long cultivated the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. But Moreno also enters the complex intersection of property and free-speech rights.

The alderman, serving his first full term, dismissed any First Amendment concerns.

"You have the right to say what you want to say, but zoning is not a right," he said, adding that he also had concerns about traffic in the area.

Moreno said he has been working on traffic issues for nine months with Chick-fil-A executives. During that period, Moreno also discussed the issue of gay rights, in light of reports that the Cathy family's WinShape Foundation had supported anti-gay organizations, the alderman said.

Company executives assured him they would take no stance on the issue of gay rights and would not discriminate in any fashion at the restaurant, Moreno said.

On Tuesday, Chick-fil-A public relations executives asked for questions to be emailed, then did not respond to them. Attempts to reach the company's local attorney were not successful.

Cathy was quoted July 16 in the Baptist Press saying he was "guilty as charged" for supporting "the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that."

Since Cathy made the comments, his company has come under fire in some quarters.

Jim Henson Co., creator of Muppets films and TV shows, withdrew from a deal to create characters for the chain's kids meals and donated payments it had received from Chick-fil-A to the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Discrimination.

Boston Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald he would block the chain from opening in his city, but former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee wrote on his Facebook page that he was "incensed at the vitriolic assaults on the Chick-fil-A company."

Cathy is the son of the founder of Chick-fil-A, which opened its first store in suburban Atlanta in 1967. The family is known for espousing its Christian values. It closes on Sundays and Christian holidays.

Rick Garcia, a longtime Illinois gay rights activist who is a policy adviser to The Civil Rights Agenda group that was working with Moreno and Chick-fil-A on LGBT issues, lauded Moreno's decision.

"I think it's important that the city sends a message that we want business here ... but what we can't have and don't want are businesses that have discriminatory roles," Garcia said, adding that he's a defender of free speech.

Moreno, meanwhile, said it will take "more than words" to get him to reverse course.

"They'd have to do a complete 180," the alderman said. "They'd have to work with LGBT groups in terms of hiring, and there would have to be a public apology from (Cathy)."http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-07-25/news/ct-met-chicago-chick-fil-a-20120725_1_1st-ward-gay-marriage-ward-alderman

Hipster ward... rotfl

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 01:20 PM
Local mayors and townships vote to ban music, films, plays, etc. all the time. I don't like it either, so either you work to change local leadership, or move. :shrug:

They ban music, films, plays etc but they make those bans applicable to EVERYBODY, not just to the owner of one business who makes politically disagreeable statements

Imagine that Cityburg passes a law that says no R-Rated movies can be shown at movie theaters within city limits. That's completely different than telling the owner of one specific theater that he can't show R-rated movies, while allowing all other theaters to show whatever they want.

WallyOPD
07-25-12, 01:21 PM
There is no restriction on free speech. People are still allowed to say their minds freely without censorship of their words, thoughts, or ideas from the government (obvious libel issues notwithstanding).

Local mayors and townships vote to ban music, films, plays, etc. all the time. I don't like it either, so either you work to change local leadership, or move. :shrug:

Every single one of your examples is about governments banning something because of the content of the product being offered. That is a completely separate debate from what is happening here.

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 01:22 PM
There is no restriction on free speech. People are still allowed to say their minds freely without censorship of their words, thoughts, or ideas from the government (obvious libel issues notwithstanding).
Oh bullshit. "You can say what you want, but the government is going to deny you privileges granted to others if you do." That's clearly a restriction on speech.

Local mayors and townships vote to ban music, films, plays, etc. all the time. I don't like it either, so either you work to change local leadership, or move. :shrug:
Also clearly restrictions on speech if they happen... I don't think they actually do this like you claim, and if they do they're only getting away with it because nobody challenged them in court. Government simply cannot punish people for saying things the government doesn't like.

Venusian
07-25-12, 01:25 PM
Because it still doesn't take away his RIGHT to say whatever he wants. Period.


Reperrcussions silence speech. Otherwise you could say that throwing someone in jail for what theysaid isn't stopping speech either

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 01:27 PM
Hokeyboy -

Imagine a town that has a red light district. All the porno theatres and adult video and sex shops are located on one street. The mayor of that town walks down the street and sees that half of the sex shops have political signs supporting the other political party. Do you really think that it's perfectly fine for the mayor to close down those businesses (just the ones with signs for the other party) because "blue laws" exist?

Superboy
07-25-12, 01:31 PM
Can you believe how much our country discriminates against Christians now?

I mean c'mon, Muslims can open a mosque on ground zero, but Chick-fil-a can't open a restaurant.

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 01:36 PM
I have zero sympathy for Chick-Fil-A and I will never eat another delicious chicken sandwich for as long as the company contributes money to homophobic organizations.

But I want my boycott to be MY boycott. I don't need the government to take away my choice to vote with my wallet.

Hokeyboy
07-25-12, 01:39 PM
:lol: OK, you win. This Chik-Fil-A paragon has been silenced for his views. By the government.

wishbone
07-25-12, 01:41 PM
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9123/2500q.jpg

Target
Home Depot
Staples
Jo Ann Fabric and Craft
Riverfront Plaza
TigerDirect Retail Store/CompUSA
Dollar Tree
The Room Place
The Vitamin Shoppe
Strack & Van Till
GameStop
Pep Boys
Uniforms to You
Johnstone Supply
Famsa
National Wrecking Company
Banfield Pet Hospital
Windy City Fieldhouse

I'm not sure how adding a Chick-Fil-A would cause any greater traffic concerns than the big stores already located there like Target, Home Depot, Staples, etc.

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 01:44 PM
Can you believe how much our country discriminates against Christians now?

I mean c'mon, Muslims can open a mosque on ground zero, but Chick-fil-a can't open a restaurant.
I'm not a Christian, nor am I a fan of the persecution complex that many Christians seem to have, but that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge it when it actually does happen.

Personally, I'm fairly disgusted by Chick-Fil-A... there was no need for them to have interjected themselves into this issue at all. But since they have, I probably won't eat there again. Which sucks, cause their food is delicious.

RichC2
07-25-12, 01:44 PM
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9123/2500q.jpg

I'm not sure how adding a Chick-Fil-A would cause any greater traffic concerns than the big stores already located there like Target, Home Depot, Staples, etc.

Where I used to live we had severe issues with the drive-thru at Chick Fil A spilling out onto a major road (it would wrap around the buliding, and then cars would be pulling in from the main road, and be waiting to get in on said main road). Some nasty accidents were had.

Navinabob
07-25-12, 01:45 PM
Can you believe how much our country discriminates against Christians now?

I mean c'mon, Muslims can open a mosque on ground zero, but Chick-fil-a can't open a restaurant.

I can't get over how much this country discriminates against Barechestians and Noshoesons. No shirt, no shoes, no service? Our founding fathers weep in heaven every time a child is forced to put on shoes before eating in Chick-Fil-A.

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 01:46 PM
:lol: OK, you win. This Chik-Fil-A paragon has been silenced for his views. By the government.

The government is taking something away from someone solely because the government disagrees with a political statement. And you don't think that's a problem. Holy shit.

wishbone
07-25-12, 01:49 PM
Where I used to live we had severe issues with the drive-thru at Chick Fil A spilling out onto a major road (it would wrap around the buliding, and then cars would be pulling in from the main road, and be waiting to get in on said main road). Some nasty accidents were had.Chick-Fil-A parking is ridiculous which is probably while they were trying to purchase an out lot near the Home Depot per the article.

Nausicaa
07-25-12, 01:59 PM
I really hate this guy. That Chick Fil-A was going in pretty close to where I live. And now it might not get built and even if it is, I won't eat there. I love Chick-Fil-A.

Sonic? Can you take their place?

Navinabob
07-25-12, 02:01 PM
One of the politicians jobs is to insure his district generates revenue. If they feel that a business opening would not succeed (note how many people have said they'll no longer go there) or would do damage to another business (fewer foot traffic because of a boycott) they can step in. Any business would rather be next door to a KFC then a Chick-Fil-A because they always have a chance of attracting impulse buyers. Their odds of getting one of those shoppers increase as foot traffic increases.

RichC2
07-25-12, 02:02 PM
Guess I should be glad we have more Zaxby's than Chick Fil As around here

CRM114
07-25-12, 02:03 PM
Folks boycotting is fine, but the government blocking him because of what he said sounds like it isn't free speech at all

I agree with Venusian.

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 02:04 PM
One of the politicians jobs is to insure his district generates revenue. If they feel that a business opening would not succeed (note how many people have said they'll no longer go there) or would do damage to another business (fewer foot traffic because of a boycott) they can step in. Any business would rather be next door to a KFC then a Chick-Fil-A because they always have a chance of attracting impulse buyers. Their odds of getting one of those shoppers increase as foot traffic increases.

Have you ever been to Boston? It's a fairly condensed city. It's not like there's going to be one chick-fil-a a mile from nowhere who shares a building with a lone flowershop that will now go out of business.

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 02:20 PM
One of the politicians jobs is to insure his district generates revenue. If they feel that a business opening would not succeed (note how many people have said they'll no longer go there) or would do damage to another business (fewer foot traffic because of a boycott) they can step in. Any business would rather be next door to a KFC then a Chick-Fil-A because they always have a chance of attracting impulse buyers. Their odds of getting one of those shoppers increase as foot traffic increases.
You're twisting hard to come up with viewpoint neutral reasons, but the city government has (stupidly) expressly said its actions were based in retaliation for Cathy's comments and views. You can't get much more clear than, "Because of this man's ignorance, I will now be denying Chick-fil-A's permit to open a restaurant in the 1st Ward."

Would it be equally permissible for a city government to deny a permit to a restaurant because the management expressed a pro-LGBT position?

(Have you ever seen a Chick-Fil-A, by the way? Any argument that the business won't bring in revenue is laughable... those places are basically licenses to print money.)

joeblow69
07-25-12, 02:20 PM
This one's been going around today ... apparently ChikFilA fabricates a supporter on their facebook page:
http://manhuntdaily.com/files/Screen-Shot-2012-07-25-at-2.23.48-PM.png

Navinabob
07-25-12, 02:20 PM
Have you ever been to Boston? It's a fairly condensed city. It's not like there's going to be one chick-fil-a a mile from nowhere who shares a building with a lone flowershop that will now go out of business.

No, but I want to!

And I think that's even worse. With densely packed businesses you get tons of foot traffic... your business may depend on your neighbors.

Venusian
07-25-12, 02:27 PM
You're twisting hard to come up with viewpoint neutral reasons, but the city government has (stupidly) expressly said its actions were based in retaliation for Cathy's comments and views. You can't get much more clear than, "Because of this man's ignorance, I will now be denying Chick-fil-A's permit to open a restaurant in the 1st Ward."


They aren't leaving much room in case there is a lawsuit

http://i.imgur.com/VSW8L.png

kvrdave
07-25-12, 02:27 PM
I think when someone says something that government officials don't like that they should be killed. That doesn't infringe on their right to go ahead and say those things. But there are repercussions to free speech. It doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Oh, except when a city doesn't allow a gay store in town because they don't believe it fits their values. That's okay. I mean, it's okay so long as the government decides it is.

Superboy
07-25-12, 02:30 PM
I'm not a Christian, nor am I a fan of the persecution complex that many Christians seem to have, but that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge it when it actually does happen.

Personally, I'm fairly disgusted by Chick-Fil-A... there was no need for them to have interjected themselves into this issue at all. But since they have, I probably won't eat there again. Which sucks, cause their food is delicious.

This is the problem with their persecution complex:

They're complaining because someone else is taking away their right to persecute other people. This isn't some random guy that's expressed his opinion. This is a guy who's actually pledged to discriminate against gays. He puts money in causes that discriminate against them. There's a boundary between free speech, and political activism.

kvrdave
07-25-12, 02:30 PM
They aren't leaving much room in case there is a lawsuit

http://i.imgur.com/VSW8L.png

:lol: There is no room for discrimination in Boston, which is why we intend to block you based on your beliefs.

I've never eaten at one of their stores, but this type of shit makes me want to. Not because I agree with them, but because much of this is bullshit. And having spent time in Boston, I have never been to a more racist area, including Missouri.

Navinabob
07-25-12, 02:34 PM
You're twisting hard to come up with viewpoint neutral reasons, but the city government has (stupidly) expressly said its actions were based in retaliation for Cathy's comments and views. You can't get much more clear than, "Because of this man's ignorance, I will now be denying Chick-fil-A's permit to open a restaurant in the 1st Ward."

Would it be equally permissible for a city government to deny a permit to a restaurant because the management expressed a pro-LGBT position?

(Have you ever seen a Chick-Fil-A, by the way? Any argument that the business won't bring in revenue is laughable... those places are basically licenses to print money.)

Yeah, playing Devil's Advocate mostly by bringing up a relevant point that likely added to the decision, but clearly wasn't the basis of the decision. They are blocking the restaurant because of anti-gay remarks, that is very clear.

And I don't care for their food... I get too many yucky bits of chicken I have to spit out in my napkin.

Dr Mabuse
07-25-12, 02:36 PM
I hope there is a huge uptick in sales for Chick-Fil-A.

They were stupid as hell to weigh in on this crap as a business, but I hope there is a huge increase in their sales just to piss off the pinheads who are so 'outraged!'.

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 02:37 PM
One of the politicians jobs is to insure his district generates revenue. If they feel that a business opening would not succeed (note how many people have said they'll no longer go there) or would do damage to another business (fewer foot traffic because of a boycott) they can step in. Any business would rather be next door to a KFC then a Chick-Fil-A because they always have a chance of attracting impulse buyers. Their odds of getting one of those shoppers increase as foot traffic increases.

In King County, TX, Obama got 4.8% of the vote in 2008.

I've never been to King County, TX, but I'll imagine a backwater redneck town. I'll imagine a strip mall where there's a gun shop, a spittin' tobacco shop, and a camoflauge hat shop. And I'll imagine that those three stores generate good amount of tax revenue for that backwater redneck town.

Now, if a coffee shop intentds to open up in that strip mall and intends to put a big "OBAMA 2012" sign or a LGBT sign in their window, are you honestly going to tell this forum that you would SUPPORT the mayor of that town refusing to allow that coffee shop to open? After all, it would cost its neighbors business and the mayor of that town has the right to protect the tax revenue that those successful businesses bring into the town's treasury.

eXcentris
07-25-12, 02:39 PM
"Bolivia's Morales: Eating Chicken Makes You Gay"

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1984064,00.html

Karma babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! ;)

Navinabob
07-25-12, 02:39 PM
This one's been going around today ... apparently ChikFilA fabricates a supporter on their facebook page:
http://manhuntdaily.com/files/Screen-Shot-2012-07-25-at-2.23.48-PM.png

:lol: Busted

joeblow69
07-25-12, 02:39 PM
I hope there is a huge uptick in sales for Chick-Fil-A.

They were stupid as hell to weigh in on this crap as a business, but I hope there is a huge increase in their sales just to piss off the pinheads who are so 'outraged!'.
While I understand your point of view, a huge uptick in sales would mean more money for them to funnel to anti-gay groups. I hope that doesn't happen. Those people don't need more money.

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 02:42 PM
This is the problem with their persecution complex:

They're complaining because someone else is taking away their right to persecute other people. This isn't some random guy that's expressed his opinion. This is a guy who's actually pledged to discriminate against gays. He puts money in causes that discriminate against them. There's a boundary between free speech, and political activism.
It doesn't matter if he jumps back and forth over the boundary between free speech and political activism. He's allowed to do that. Customers are also allowed to stop eating at his store. But the government's not allowed to discriminate based on viewpoints, even highly objectionable viewpoints.

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 02:45 PM
:lol: There is no room for discrimination in Boston, which is why we intend to block you based on your beliefs.

:thumbsup:

adamblast
07-25-12, 02:46 PM
We're getting to point where discrimination against gays is actually treated like discrimination? And it causes some Christianist businesses some pain? Even problems with some politicians? How tragic.

JasonF
07-25-12, 02:49 PM
I think Chik-Fil-A's views are pretty reprehensible, and if I ever ate at one, I would stop. And while I applaud the mayor of Boston's pro-gay views, the government has no business closing down a business whose owners disagree with him. I'm as opposed to this as I would be if a mayor tried to shut down a business because it's owner spoke out in favor of gay rights. It's totally inappropriate and a violation of the First Amendment.

kvrdave
07-25-12, 02:49 PM
We're getting to point where discrimination against gays is actually treated like discrimination? And it causes some Christianist businesses some pain? Even problems with some politicians? How tragic.

Politicians should condemn the company. Customers should boycott the business. Government should not discriminate based on the beliefs of others.

kvrdave
07-25-12, 02:50 PM
I think Chik-Fil-A's views are pretty reprehensible, and if I ever ate at one, I would stop. And while I applaud the mayor of Boston's pro-gay views, the government has no business closing down a business whose owners disagree with him. I'm as opposed to this as I would be if a mayor tried to shut down a business because it's owner spoke out in favor of gay rights. It's totally inappropriate and a violation of the First Amendment.

STFU Christianst!!!!

joeblow69
07-25-12, 02:51 PM
it wouldn't be a Chik Fil A thread without this:
sO-msplukrw

CRM114
07-25-12, 02:51 PM
Can you believe how much our country discriminates against Christians now?


The country is 70% Christian. I find your grievances hilarious.

However, this does seem to be a case of discriminating against douchebags which no matter how much of a douchebag the Chickfila guy is, he does have a right to place a business where he wants. But alas, that's why they created local zoning so localities can control what douchebags they want and which ones they don't. See Walmart.

In that case, zoning law is a democratic process so it ostensibly is the wishes of the people.

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 02:53 PM
I think Chik-Fil-A's views are pretty reprehensible, and if I ever ate at one, I would stop. And while I applaud the mayor of Boston's pro-gay views, the government has no business closing down a business whose owners disagree with him. I'm as opposed to this as I would be if a mayor tried to shut down a business because it's owner spoke out in favor of gay rights. It's totally inappropriate and a violation of the First Amendment.

It's refreshing to see somebody remain intellectually honest instead of trying to spin the issue. :thumbsup:

sracer
07-25-12, 02:56 PM
We're getting to point where discrimination against gays is actually treated like discrimination? And it causes some Christianist businesses some pain? Even problems with some politicians? How tragic.
What discrimination against homosexuals is Chick-Fil-A guilty of?

RichC2
07-25-12, 02:57 PM
Can you believe how much our country discriminates against Christians now?

I mean c'mon, Muslims can open a mosque on ground zero, but Chick-fil-a can't open a restaurant.

“Well, guilty as charged,” he said in the interview when asked about Chick-fil-A’s backing of families led by a man and a woman.

Pfft. That doesn't come off as an attack toward Christians, if he had said he agreed with a family being led by the same race it would have just as quickly been frowned upon. Actually come to think of it, it would have come across way worse.

What discrimination against homosexuals is Chick-Fil-A guilty of?

They aren't I don't think, just $2m in contributions toward "pro-family" charities.

adamblast
07-25-12, 02:57 PM
Politicians should condemn the company. Customers should boycott the business. Government should not discriminate based on the beliefs of others.I mostly agree. Not sure I support the alderman, beyond the fact that he apparently has a legal right to zone as capriciously as he wants. But the mayor of Boston doesn't seem to have crossed any lines beyond a lovely, nasty letter saying "we don't like you."

eXcentris
07-25-12, 02:59 PM
If a business owner is stupid enough to alienate potential customers then let him. Let him also deal with the consequences of potential demonstrators picketing in front of his stores. And let the city bill him for any extra securitymeasures/police presence.

CRM114
07-25-12, 02:59 PM
I hope there is a huge uptick in sales for Chick-Fil-A.

They were stupid as hell to weigh in on this crap as a business, but I hope there is a huge increase in their sales just to piss off the pinheads who are so 'outraged!'.

What a tremendous acrobatic act of logic.

1. Chickfila stupid
2. Opponents of Chickfila stupid
3. Thus, I hope Chickfila succeeds.

The logical route (not bound to any nonsensical religious ideology) would be:

1. Chickfila stupid
2. Government officials blocking Chickfila stupid.
3. Thus, I hope the free market effects Chickfila how it sees fit regardless of outcome.

As it stands, only those who "outraged" are the pinheads. Not Chiickfila. Not the government dudes. Just the people who are outraged that a CEO of a RETAIL business would be an asshole.

Well played, Dr.

dvdjunkie32
07-25-12, 03:01 PM
If a local community doesn't want to do business with an organization, I don't see how that's infringing upon his freedom to say what he wants in a public forum.

If local zoning codes prohibit porn/strip clubs/"adult" establishments from operating within a half-mile of any public schools, is that violating Free Speech rights?

That's BS. Zoning codes can prohibit XXX establishments because they bring a bad element to a community and can bring down property values.

This restaurant is being banned simply because of the president's opinion. If someone is going to be punished for free speech then it really isn't free speech anymore.

kvrdave
07-25-12, 03:01 PM
If a business owner is stupid enough to alienate potential customers then let him. Let him also deal with the consequences of potential demonstrators picketing in front of his stores. And let the city bill him for any extra securitymeasures/police presence.

Why would you not bill the protestors? I don't think abortion clinics gets billed when they are protested. If they did, it would be pretty easy for protestors to put them out of business.

CRM114
07-25-12, 03:01 PM
STFU Christianst!!!!

Yeah, unfortunately, this isn't a Christian issue. It's a bigotry issue which is mutually exclusive of Christianity.

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 03:03 PM
Would Mumbles Menino block a new Exxon station from opening up?
http://instinctmagazine.com/blogs/blog/exxon-receives-first-negative-score-on-hrc-s-corporate-equality-index?directory=100011

Or is it perfectly okay for a company to discriminate against LGBT causes as long as they don't talk about discriminating against LGBT causes?

adamblast
07-25-12, 03:03 PM
My favorite headline from this hoohah comes the Washington Times:

"Chick-fil-A Chief’s Views on Marriage Alienate Gays, Muppets"

eXcentris
07-25-12, 03:04 PM
Why would you not bill the protestors? I don't think abortion clinics gets billed when they are protested. If they did, it would be pretty easy for protestors to put them out of business.

Fair enough. Bill him when the chicken start rioting then. :)

CRM114
07-25-12, 03:04 PM
That's BS. Zoning codes can prohibit XXX establishments because they bring a bad element to a community and can bring down property values.


Chickfila doesn't bring people with gigantic asses?

wishbone
07-25-12, 03:06 PM
Chickfila doesn't bring people with gigantic asses?From what I have seen it's usually moms with their kids in tow. :shrug:

dvdjunkie32
07-25-12, 03:06 PM
This is the problem with their persecution complex:

They're complaining because someone else is taking away their right to persecute other people. This isn't some random guy that's expressed his opinion. This is a guy who's actually pledged to discriminate against gays. He puts money in causes that discriminate against them. There's a boundary between free speech, and political activism.

How is merely stating his opinion on gay marriage a real world manifestation of discrimination? Chik-fil-la has hundreds of employees and plenty of them are probably gay. No doubt they are treated the same as their straight co-workers. And they probably enjoy having Sunday off too.

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 03:07 PM
I mostly agree. Not sure I support the alderman, but the mayor of Boston doesn't seem to have crossed any lines beyond a lovely, nasty letter saying "we don't like you."

I don't know about that.

Boston Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald he would block the chain from opening in his city.

Chick-fil-A doesn’t belong in Boston.... You can’t have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population. We’re an open city, we’re a city that’s at the forefront of inclusion.... That’s the Freedom Trail. That’s where it all started right here. And we’re not going to have a company, Chick-fil-A or whatever the hell the name is, on our Freedom Trail.... If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult — unless they open up their policies.

The closest I've ever heard to Chick-Fil-A actually discriminating is that a separate charitable organization associated with the company wouldn't allow same-sex couples on its marriage retreat. I'm not aware of any policies that prohibit hiring/promoting LGBT people.

CRM114
07-25-12, 03:11 PM
From what I have seen it's usually moms with their kids in tow. :shrug:

Moms with enormous asses and pudgy kids.


;)

CRM114
07-25-12, 03:13 PM
I'm with Chickfila on this. The mayor sounds like as much of a jackass as the Chickfila guy.

adamblast
07-25-12, 03:16 PM
Chik-fil-la has hundreds of employees and plenty of them are probably gay. No doubt they are treated the same as their straight co-workers. I don't know about that one. I do know they settled quickly over discriminating against employees who don't participate in on-the-job prayer.

Would wikipedia lie? ;)

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 03:17 PM
I'm on the same side of an argument as kvrdave, while simultaneously being on the same side as JasonF and CRM114? This hasn't happened since that thread in 2009 when Obama and a cop were caught on tape shooting at religious dogs.

wishbone
07-25-12, 03:17 PM
Moms with enormous asses and pudgy kids.


;)http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/46/45efac24a5fe2057689233d.jpg

YMMV :)

Dr Mabuse
07-25-12, 03:17 PM
I'm with Chickfila on this. The mayor sounds like as much of a jackass as the Chickfila guy.

Exactly. I hope they see a huge surge in sales revenue and many pinheads are infuriated.

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 03:18 PM
We’re an open city, we’re a city that’s at the forefront of inclusion

You sure as shit weren't an open city at the forefront of inclusion when Joel Ward scored a goal a few months ago

http://deadspin.com/5905356/heres-how-racists-on-twitter-reacted-to-joel-wards-series+winning-goal-against-boston

Artman
07-25-12, 03:20 PM
Life's complicated enough as it is, I really don't need to start incorporating what a manager or founder of a business believes into my decision making process.

No locations in my state btw, but if there were I'd probably stop by just out of curiosity.

kvrdave
07-25-12, 03:21 PM
I'm on the same side of an argument as kvrdave, while simultaneously being on the same side as JasonF and CRM114? This hasn't happened since that thread in 2009 when Obama and a cop were caught on tape shooting at religious dogs.

:lol:

Tracer Bullet
07-25-12, 03:27 PM
What discrimination against homosexuals is Chick-Fil-A guilty of?

This? (http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001)

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 03:31 PM
Is there a single known incident of a Chick-Fil-A franchise refusing to serve a gay customer or refusing to hire/promote a gay employee?

Venusian
07-25-12, 03:32 PM
Fellowship Of Christian Athletes is an anti-gay organization?

joeblow69
07-25-12, 03:34 PM
This? (http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001)
Ugh. So one place their money goes to is:
Marriage And Family Legacy Fund, created to be the “implementation and funding arm” for the Marriage CoMission, a coalition of groups formed in response to the “downward spiral of marriage and the traditional family in America.” [MFLF Executive Summary, accessed 6/27/12, Marriage CoMission, accessed 6/27/12]
I'm assuming they are trying to convince politicians to make divorce more difficult? Seems to me that would be a much better use of the money, since there are a HELL of a lot more straight divorces than there are gay marriages.

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 03:34 PM
This? (http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001)

A) That's all activity by the separate, associated charitable organization (Winshape), and

B) Saying you disagree with a policy or advocating an idea isn't discrimination. Discrimination is actually treating people differently. Once again, as far as I know, Chick Fil A itself doesn't treat any of its LGBT employees differently as a matter of policy.

joeblow69
07-25-12, 03:35 PM
Fellowship Of Christian Athletes is an anti-gay organization?
You didn't read the whole thing?
Fellowship Of Christian Athletes Conference Has "Freed" People From Homosexuality. Every year, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes (FCA) holds a National College Conference that Danny Burns, the conference Program Director, described as one in which "God freed some people from homosexuality, sexual sins, addictions and even ushered newcomers into His Kingdom." Burns’ comment has since been removed from FCA’s website. [Equality Matters, 3/22/11, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, accessed
It's standard ex-gay crap.

RichC2
07-25-12, 03:36 PM
Fellowship Of Christian Athletes is an anti-gay organization?

It's suggested pretty heavily on their application:

FCA'S SEXUAL PURITY STATEMENT
God desires His children to lead pure lives of holiness. The Bible is clear in teaching on sexual sin including sex outside of marriage and homosexual acts. Neither heterosexual sex outside of marriage nor any homosexual act constitute an alternate lifestyle acceptable to God.

While upholding God’s standard of holiness, FCA strongly affirms God’s love and redemptive power in the individual who chooses to follow Him. FCA’s desire is to encourage individuals to trust in Jesus and turn away from any impure lifestyle.

Artman
07-25-12, 03:37 PM
This? (http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001)

Do you not see the difference between how you treat someone in person vs how someone spends their personal money? Am I guilty of hate when I put some change into the salvation army bucket?

Venusian
07-25-12, 03:40 PM
You didn't read the whole thing?
ha, nope. didn't scroll down. oops

Tracer Bullet
07-25-12, 03:40 PM
A) That's all activity by the separate, associated charitable organization (Winshape), and

B) Saying you disagree with a policy or advocating an idea isn't discrimination. Discrimination is actually treating people differently. Once again, as far as I know, Chick Fil A itself doesn't treat any of its LGBT employees differently as a matter of policy.

Maybe, I don't care that much. But if you give money to an organization that works to make sure that a group of people continue to be discriminated against, I'm not sure how you're not at the very least supporting discrimination.

Tracer Bullet
07-25-12, 03:41 PM
Am I guilty of hate when I put some change into the salvation army bucket?

Sure!

adamblast
07-25-12, 03:41 PM
Saying you disagree with a policy or advocating an idea isn't discrimination. Discrimination is actually treating people differently. Once again, as far as I know, Chick Fil A itself doesn't treat any of its LGBT employees differently as a matter of policy.Most discrimination is *not* a matter of policy but rather common practice, though I understand your point. To me it sounds like an anti-gay place to work, but I'm, you know, sensitive and stuff. I walked off my career job when Prop 8 passed. Smooth move.

adamblast
07-25-12, 03:44 PM
Am I guilty of hate when I put some change into the salvation army bucket?I vote hells yes. They won't even feed you without making you listen to a sermon. :)

movielib
07-25-12, 03:47 PM
really? You're okay with the govt blocking a business permit because of what one of the owner's of the business said?
I interpreted it differently. I meant the business owner has to deal with his customers' reactions to what he says which is what I thought Hokeyboy was saying. Obviously, from subsequent posts, I misinterpreted what he said.

Certainly, anyone who knows me knows I wouldn't be for government oppression of business owners' rights.

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 03:48 PM
Most discrimination is *not* a matter of policy but rather common practice, though I understand your point. To me it sounds like an anti-gay place to work, but I'm, you know, sensitive and stuff.
Okay, I largely agree with your point on policy vs. practice. So has there been any demonstration that Chick-Fil-A as a chain is a discriminatory employer (or service provider to customers) by practice then? I know there was a lawsuit from somebody some years ago who claimed one branch wanted him to pray with them, but that was settled, and I haven't heard of any widespread systemic practices either.

You can be the most racially bigoted, sexist person on the planet off the clock, but if you actually treat your employees equally, you're not engaging in discrimination.

adamblast
07-25-12, 03:53 PM
I don't know where the line is drawn, myself.

See, if Starbucks faced zoning troubles due to contributing to the Klan, I might be OK with it. What do you think? I understand this doesn't rise to that level in *most* people's heads.

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 03:53 PM
Okay, I largely agree with your point on policy vs. practice. So has there been any demonstration that Chick-Fil-A as a chain is a discriminatory employer (or service provider to customers) by practice then? I know there was a lawsuit from somebody some years ago who claimed one branch wanted him to pray with them, but that was settled, and I haven't heard of any widespread systemic practices either.

You can be the most racially bigoted, sexist person on the planet off the clock, but if you actually treat your employees equally, you're not engaging in discrimination.customers, too.

I'd bet that if every single person on DVD talk went to a chick-fil-a tonight and said "I'm gay, will you still serve me a chicken sandwich" that every single person on DVD would be eating a chicken sandwich tonight.

Mabuse
07-25-12, 03:58 PM
All you people that worship In N Out and wish they would expand to your state would probably be interested to know the back story of that company. Did you know that bible scripture is printed on the corners of all the food packages and drink cups?

Venusian
07-25-12, 03:59 PM
I interpreted it differently. I meant the business owner has to deal with his customers' reactions to what he says which is what I thought Hokeyboy was saying. Obviously, from subsequent posts, I misinterpreted what he said.

Certainly, anyone who knows me knows I wouldn't be for government oppression of business owners' rights.

ah. makes more sense. I was shocked that you would have agreed

CaptainMarvel
07-25-12, 04:00 PM
I don't know where the line is drawn, myself.

See, if Starbucks faced zoning troubles due to contributing to Klan, I might be OK with it. What do you think? I understand this doesn't rise to that level in *most* people's heads.
I'd be completely oppossed to that as well. Once again, that's viewpoint discrimination. It doesn't matter what the actual stance is to me... government can't discriminate against you because of your views.

The ACLU (to their credit) is actually representing the KKK in Georgia I believe, due to this very issue. Link (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/27/aclu-backs-georgia-kkks-adopt-a-highway-effort/ )

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has confirmed that they are representing a Georgia Ku Klux Klan (KKK) group who was not allowed to join the state’s Adopt-A-Highway program.

The International Keystone Knights of the KKK in Union County recently applied to “adopt” one mile of Route 515, located in the Appalachian Mountains near North Carolina. The state would have been forced to give the group official recognition in the form of road signs bearing their name and other benefits in return for cleaning up litter on the stretch of highway.

Within 48 hours, the Georgia Department of Transportation rejected the request, claiming the group had a “long rooted history of civil disturbance would cause a significant public concern.”

“Impacts include safety of the travelling public, potential social unrest, driver distraction, or interference with the flow of traffic,” the department said in a statement. “These potential impacts are such that were the application granted, the goal of the program, to allow civic minded organizations to participate in public service for the State of Georgia, would not be met.”

ACLU of Georgia Executive Director Debbie Seagraves on Tuesday told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that her group would represent the white supremacists.

“Yes, we are representing them, but we are still working on the strategy,” she explained, declining to give any additional details on the case.

The state of Missouri in 1999 argued that they could bar a KKK group from participating in the Adopt-A-Highway program without violating their First Amendment rights. With the help of the ACLU, the group eventually won after the state’s case was dismissed by the U.S. Supreme Court.

At least to Georgia's credit, they tried to articulate a viewpoint-neutral reason for rejecting the application, but those reasons are usually smokescreens. Governments have tried similar things in the past, like with parade permits.

Goverment can't be allowed to discriminate against opinions simply because they're shitty or unpopular.

joeblow69
07-25-12, 04:00 PM
customers, too.

I'd bet that if every single person on DVD talk went to a chick-fil-a tonight and said "I'm gay, will you still serve me a chicken sandwich" that every single person on DVD would be eating a chicken sandwich tonight.
I wonder if any of those chicken sandwiches would get spit in while being made?

Venusian
07-25-12, 04:00 PM
I don't know where the line is drawn, myself.

See, if Starbucks faced zoning troubles due to contributing to the Klan, I might be OK with it. What do you think? I understand this doesn't rise to that level in *most* people's heads.

I wouldn't.

The Klan wanted to adopt a highway here and people are all in a fuss about it. I say let them. If they want to clean the road, fine. At least they might be doign something good. The govt shouldn't discriminate because they don't like their position on something.

RoyalTea
07-25-12, 04:04 PM
I'd be completely oppossed to that as well. Once again, that's viewpoint discrimination. It doesn't matter what the actual stance is to me... government can't discriminate against you because of your views.

The ACLU (to their credit) is actually representing the KKK in Georgia I believe, due to this very issue. Link (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/27/aclu-backs-georgia-kkks-adopt-a-highway-effort/ )



Goverment can't be allowed to discriminate against opinions simply because they're shitty or unpopular.

Well, according to an earlier poster, if trucking routes could be altered to avoid the KKK highway, depriving local businesses of revenue and depriving the local treasury of taxes, the government's allowed to ignore the first amendment.

cdollaz
07-25-12, 04:08 PM
Best chicken sandwich ever. I'll continue to eat there at least as much, if not more, than ever. Maybe I'll go to Ben & Jerry's just to balance things out.

cdollaz
07-25-12, 04:14 PM
Any insinuation that the real reason that the alderman is doing this is for business reasons, because a Chick Fil A may not bring enough business, is so silly that it is laughable.

Navinabob
07-25-12, 04:16 PM
In King County, TX, Obama got 4.8% of the vote in 2008.

I've never been to King County, TX, but I'll imagine a backwater redneck town. I'll imagine a strip mall where there's a gun shop, a spittin' tobacco shop, and a camoflauge hat shop. And I'll imagine that those three stores generate good amount of tax revenue for that backwater redneck town.

Now, if a coffee shop intentds to open up in that strip mall and intends to put a big "OBAMA 2012" sign or a LGBT sign in their window, are you honestly going to tell this forum that you would SUPPORT the mayor of that town refusing to allow that coffee shop to open? After all, it would cost its neighbors business and the mayor of that town has the right to protect the tax revenue that those successful businesses bring into the town's treasury.

Good question. There has to be case law on this so I'd probably support what is within a city's rights. Religion is a protected class, but does refusing a company construction or tenancy based on religion count? Political preference is not protected status so I suppose the Texas town might be in it's rights.

I dunno. :shrug:

General Zod
07-25-12, 04:33 PM
The Klan wanted to adopt a highway here and people are all in a fuss about it. I say let them. If they want to clean the road, fine. At least they might be doign something good. The govt shouldn't discriminate because they don't like their position on something.

They only pick up the white trash.

Wait.. that sounded better in my head.

JasonF
07-25-12, 04:38 PM
I'm on the same side of an argument as kvrdave, while simultaneously being on the same side as JasonF and CRM114? This hasn't happened since that thread in 2009 when Obama and a cop were caught on tape shooting at religious dogs.

:lol: Thank God Gary Johnson wasn't with them or the forum would have imploded from agreement!

Josh-da-man
07-25-12, 04:41 PM
I hope there is a huge uptick in sales for Chick-Fil-A.

So do cardiologists.

Dr Mabuse
07-25-12, 04:45 PM
So do cardiologists.

Are the GD cardiologists 'anti gay' too! I say we boycott the shit out of them!

Rockmjd23
07-25-12, 06:47 PM
I don't know why the mayor wants to punish Chick-fil-A because of what the CEO says. It's not like he built the business, somebody else did.

Hokeyboy
07-25-12, 07:42 PM
Best chicken sandwich ever.
Sweet Christ, you need to leave the food court more often!

joeblow69
07-25-12, 07:45 PM
I'm bummed we don't actually have any Chik Fil As here, so I can't participate in the boycott. We do have "Chik Wich" ... is that similar? they've got chicken sandwiches and waffle fries

Superboy
07-25-12, 08:09 PM
It doesn't matter if he jumps back and forth over the boundary between free speech and political activism. He's allowed to do that. Customers are also allowed to stop eating at his store. But the government's not allowed to discriminate based on viewpoints, even highly objectionable viewpoints.

Oh, I was addressing the persecution complex.

I do agree with you, that the government doesn't have the right to deny this guy a permit.

Yes.

Hell just froze over.

Josh-da-man
07-25-12, 08:19 PM
I don't know why the mayor wants to punish Chick-fil-A because of what the CEO says. It's not like he built the business, somebody else did.

Jesus built it!

DVD Polizei
07-25-12, 08:29 PM
I'm bummed we don't actually have any Chik Fil As here, so I can't participate in the boycott. We do have "Chik Wich" ... is that similar? they've got chicken sandwiches and waffle fries

Competition is your best weapon, sir!

Start a Gay Fil-A restaurant.

wishbone
07-25-12, 08:43 PM
Jesus built it!<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GXCh9OhDiCI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Rex Power Colt-Robot Man
07-25-12, 09:07 PM
The most outrageous thing Chik-Fil-A does is put pickle slices on all their sandwiched as a matter of course. Savages.

cdollaz
07-25-12, 09:14 PM
Sweet Christ, you need to leave the food court more often!

I've had plenty from many types of joints, and CFA is still the best.

Artman
07-25-12, 09:35 PM
But since they have, I probably won't eat there again. Which sucks, cause their food is delicious.

I'm just curious, why couldn't you? I'm just to trying to imagine the decision to not patronize an establishment because the founder(s) held different views than myself. I'm not the type that boycotts anything though... so, maybe it's just our different personalities.

Any links to the full interview? I'm just wondering if he was speaking for himself, or the company policy as a whole. That would change my opinion of the situation a bit more. I already think it was handled poorly by giving this interview in the first place.

Hokeyboy
07-25-12, 09:50 PM
Waffle fries are a fucking abomination. :mad:

wmansir
07-25-12, 09:56 PM
I take it everyone is going to be boycotting Chic fil a's Oreo shake?

Hokeyboy
07-25-12, 09:58 PM
^Trayf...

WallyOPD
07-25-12, 10:27 PM
Any links to the full interview? I'm just wondering if he was speaking for himself, or the company policy as a whole. That would change my opinion of the situation a bit more. I already think it was handled poorly by giving this interview in the first place.

Here's the interview (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=38271) and the relevant piece:

The company invests in Christian growth and ministry through its WinShape Foundation (WinShape.com). The name comes from the idea of shaping people to be winners.

It began as a college scholarship and expanded to a foster care program, an international ministry, and a conference and retreat center modeled after the Billy Graham Training Center at the Cove.

"That morphed into a marriage program in conjunction with national marriage ministries," Cathy added.

Some have opposed the company's support of the traditional family. "Well, guilty as charged," said Cathy when asked about the company's position.

"We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.

"We operate as a family business ... our restaurants are typically led by families; some are single. We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families. We are very much committed to that," Cathy emphasized.

Artman
07-25-12, 11:33 PM
Here's the interview (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=38271) and the relevant piece:

I guess I thought it was a video interview. Well, as a believer I'm with him on our personal work lives being a mission field... but it does get a little messy when you start to include company policy. That's where I'd part ways. I'd be more strategic about how much info I volunteer or my level of participation in the "leadership conferences."

Trevor
07-26-12, 09:57 AM
The most outrageous thing Chik-Fil-A does is put pickle slices on all their sandwiched as a matter of course. Savages.
It bothers me that they just use one pickle (iirc). If you're going to have something on a sandwich, that something needs to be in every bite darn it!

Venusian
07-26-12, 10:04 AM
Here's the interview (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=38271) and the relevant piece:

Sounds like divorced people should be pissed too

wendersfan
07-26-12, 10:05 AM
I'm just curious, why couldn't you? I'm just to trying to imagine the decision to not patronize an establishment because the founder(s) held different views than myself.It's one thing for someone to hold different views than one's self. If that were a problem I wouldn't have many friends. But it's completely different when the owner of a business you might patronize not only holds views you find reprehensible, but actively supports and gives money to organizations that promote those views and policies that further them. It's hard for me to support any business when I know that my support leads to money being given to causes I don't support.

CaptainMarvel
07-26-12, 10:24 AM
It bothers me that they just use one pickle (iirc). If you're going to have something on a sandwich, that something needs to be in every bite darn it!

You can ask for extra pickles, FYI. In fact, we'd often do that so they'd make a sandwich fresh.

General Zod
07-26-12, 10:47 AM
I don't like their chicken all that much but I love their shakes. It's the only place out here that has good shakes.

slop101
07-26-12, 10:50 AM
hmm... this got me thinking (which is something I try not to do); In N Out is a privately held Christian company as well - I wonder if I could boycott them if they came out with some hateful shit like Chic Fil A did. CFA is easy to boycott since I think their food is bland - InO however, not sure if a boycott would stick, since they're awesome. In fact, I'm gonna' hit them up for lunch today just for the fact that they haven't said any hateful shit.

CaptainMarvel
07-26-12, 11:02 AM
It's one thing for someone to hold different views than one's self. If that were a problem I wouldn't have many friends. But it's completely different when the owner of a business you might patronize not only holds views you find reprehensible, but actively supports and gives money to organizations that promote those views and policies that further them. It's hard for me to support any business when I know that my support leads to money being given to causes I don't support.

That's pretty much it for me as well.

Mordred
07-26-12, 11:09 AM
I wonder if any of those chicken sandwiches would get spit in while being made?I'm sure they would, but my guess is the number would be the exact same percentage spit in if I went to a McDonalds or Wendy's and said "I'm gay, can I have a hamburger?" In all actuality, the bored high school senior taking your order couldn't give a shit what your sexual orientation is... but there is a small chance they might think you're coming on to them.

Just because the owner is an idiot doesn't mean that the employees (or even franchise owners) agree with his position or would discriminate against anyone else. It's kind of ridiculous to assume otherwise.

Dr Mabuse
07-26-12, 11:22 AM
It's one thing for someone to hold different views than one's self. If that were a problem I wouldn't have many friends. But it's completely different when the owner of a business you might patronize not only holds views you find reprehensible, but actively supports and gives money to organizations that promote those views and policies that further them. It's hard for me to support any business when I know that my support leads to money being given to causes I don't support.

'Large businesses and corporations do all kinds of things that are truly evil and do actual harm to people and the planet, but since the media seized on a story and told me to be offended, I'm outraged at this one company!'

This whole thing over this is so superficial and ridiculous... so representative of our society. They same people who champion, memorialize, and cry over a major human slaver like Steve Jobs, get outraged over a statement by a CEO in support of his understanding(as flawed and silly as it is) of his religion. I'll bet they are all so self impressed and vocal about the 'evils' of Chik-Fil-A's "hate" while lining up to buy the new iPhone.

:lol:

spainlinx0
07-26-12, 11:30 AM
I don't eat at Chick-Fil-A, and I don't own any Apple products so HA!

Dr Mabuse
07-26-12, 11:36 AM
:lol:

Hokeyboy
07-26-12, 11:40 AM
I've had plenty from many types of joints, and CFA is still the best.
rotfl

Artman
07-26-12, 12:10 PM
It's hard for me to support any business when I know that my support leads to money being given to causes I don't support.

That's the thing, it just seems silly to keep a checklist of places you don't allow yourself to support. Were I to take it that seriously there would hardly be anywhere to go....

Groucho
07-26-12, 12:19 PM
People are in their right to boycott Chick-fil-a because they hate Christians, just as I was in my right to switch from Google to Bing when Google started shoving gay in my face.

Jason
07-26-12, 12:28 PM
I've had plenty from many types of joints, and CFA is still the best.

[insert hopelessly obscure local restaurant on the opposite side of the country that closed three years ago that made a far superior chicken sandwich]

CRM114
07-26-12, 12:42 PM
'Large businesses and corporations do all kinds of things that are truly evil and do actual harm to people and the planet, but since the media seized on a story and told me to be offended, I'm outraged at this one company!'

This whole thing over this is so superficial and ridiculous... so representative of our society. They same people who champion, memorialize, and cry over a major human slaver like Steve Jobs, get outraged over a statement by a CEO in support of his understanding(as flawed and silly as it is) of his religion. I'll bet they are all so self impressed and vocal about the 'evils' of Chik-Fil-A's "hate" while lining up to buy the new iPhone.

:lol:

I can't believe a comparison was made between the genius of Steve Jobs and the Chickfila guy.

CRM114
07-26-12, 12:45 PM
That's the thing, it just seems silly to keep a checklist of places you don't allow yourself to support. Were I to take it that seriously there would hardly be anywhere to go....

I basically just have one check and that's Walmart. There's a reason there is a Target across the street from nearly every Walmart.

I've contemplated staying away from Chickfila well before this incident but I really don't care that much. This incident has made me care a little more so we'll see.

CRM114
07-26-12, 12:47 PM
People are in their right to boycott Chick-fil-a because they hate Christians, just as I was in my right to switch from Google to Bing when Google started shoving gay in my face.

What's Bing? :lol:

Do people really "hate" Christians? That's a strong word.

wendersfan
07-26-12, 01:09 PM
That's the thing, it just seems silly to keep a checklist of places you don't allow yourself to support. Were I to take it that seriously there would hardly be anywhere to go....I mostly shop at local businesses, preferably ones owned by people I know personally. It's really not that hard.

CRM114
07-26-12, 01:23 PM
:up:

wishbone
07-26-12, 01:38 PM
What's Bing? :lol:Groucho Bing is still #1, y'all!

Tracer Bullet
07-26-12, 01:50 PM
I mostly shop at local businesses, preferably ones owned by people I know personally. It's really not that hard.

To be part of a community? It is in modern America.

RoyalTea
07-26-12, 01:55 PM
I mostly shop at local businesses, preferably ones owned by people I know personally. It's really not that hard.

But if you buy a brand name product from a local business, aren't you still supporting that brand name?

wendersfan
07-26-12, 02:18 PM
But if you buy a brand name product from a local business, aren't you still supporting that brand name?
Yes. It would be close to impossible for me to buy local 100% of the time, but I do as much as I can, even if it means spending a little extra or doing a little research. But it's part of a choice in a lifestyle, not just some sort of political statement. When friends open a business, I want to patronize it and I encourage others to do the same. And when a local business does a good job at something (making vodka (http://www.middlewestspirits.com/), or ice cream (http://www.jenis.com/), or t-shirts (http://traxlertees.com/)), then I get to know the owners and find out what they're about. I have a very strong sense of community and it colors everything I do or advocate.

Draven
07-26-12, 02:21 PM
People are in their right to boycott Chick-fil-a because they hate Christians, just as I was in my right to switch from Google to Bing when Google started shoving gay in my face.

To be fair, you did keep searching for it.

Nausicaa
07-26-12, 02:26 PM
I can't believe a comparison was made between the genius of Steve Jobs and the Chickfila guy.

I think he makes a valid point. :shrug:

I support boycotts, because they are the only power citizens have to combat outsized corporate influence in our society, but our decisions about which businesses we brand as 'evil' is kind of silly sometimes.

I think it is interesting to consider why this guy's comment bothers us, but when we get our shiny new Apple product, we rarely think of the fact that the device in our hands was once also held by some overworked, under paid factory worker living and working in conditions none of us ourselves would ever tolerate.

Sure, I don't agree with Cathy, but his comment was pretty innocuous overall. He didn't even explicitly condemn homosexuality (even if we all know that is the tacit implication). And as far as we know and as has been pointed out, discrimination against gay people and overt Christianism doesn't appear to be part of the company's day-to-day culture.

And regardless, gay rights are a social tidal wave at this point. Cathy and his ilk have already lost this cultural debate.

So, I can see how this is just more 'slacktivism' and lazy outrage over something that isn't really important to begin with, and requires no effort on our part other than raging on internet boards.

Nazgul
07-26-12, 02:33 PM
We need to add Target to the "do not shop" list as well, since they also made a donation to an anti-gay activist a couple of years ago.

adamblast
07-26-12, 02:41 PM
This story jumped into the mainstream with Cathy's comments, but gay folks who pay any attention to which corporations donate big anti-gay bucks have known about ChicFilA for years.

It's kind of surprising to me the story grew legs based off his recent comments, and that boycotting them became a hot topic among general lefties. I guess we're the cool kids now. It won't last.

joeblow69
07-26-12, 02:52 PM
We need to add Target to the "do not shop" list as well, since they also made a donation to an anti-gay activist a couple of years ago.
yeah, I think Target has come around a bit since then:
http://instinctmagazine.com/images/stories/blogs/ncampbell/target%20wedding.jpg

CRM114
07-26-12, 02:57 PM
To be part of a community? It is in modern America.

In suburbia. It is possible to actually expend a little effort and cash and buy locally though. People are more interested in buying the cheapest Chinese product at Walmart and then complaining that their tax money is going to the do-nothings in the crumbling downtowns.

CRM114
07-26-12, 02:59 PM
I think he makes a valid point. :shrug:

I support boycotts, because they are the only power citizens have to combat outsized corporate influence in our society, but our decisions about which businesses we brand as 'evil' is kind of silly sometimes.

I think it is interesting to consider why this guy's comment bothers us, but when we get our shiny new Apple product, we rarely think of the fact that the device in our hands was once also held by some overworked, under paid factory worker living and working in conditions none of us ourselves would ever tolerate.

Sure, I don't agree with Cathy, but his comment was pretty innocuous overall. He didn't even explicitly condemn homosexuality (even if we all know that is the tacit implication). And as far as we know and as has been pointed out, discrimination against gay people and overt Christianism doesn't appear to be part of the company's day-to-day culture.

And regardless, gay rights are a social tidal wave at this point. Cathy and his ilk have already lost this cultural debate.

So, I can see how this is just more 'slacktivism' and lazy outrage over something that isn't really important to begin with, and requires no effort on our part other than raging on internet boards.

I was addressing why people mourned Jobs passing and not the valid points above.

CRM114
07-26-12, 03:00 PM
This story jumped into the mainstream with Cathy's comments, but gay folks who pay any attention to which corporations donate big anti-gay bucks have known about ChicFilA for years.

It's kind of surprising to me the story grew legs based off his recent comments, and that boycotting them became a hot topic among general lefties. I guess we're the cool kids now. It won't last.

The not open Sunday thing was a pretty big clue. :lol:

joeblow69
07-26-12, 03:01 PM
The not open Sunday thing was a pretty big clue. :lol:
Just like those damn people at Hobby Lobby! Are we boycotting them yet?

Dr Mabuse
07-26-12, 03:13 PM
Just like those damn people at Hobby Lobby! Are we boycotting them yet?

If the media tells us to? You're GD right we will! Why we'll be so outraged and righteously indignant because we are told to be, it'll shake the pillars of creation!

:lol:

Artman
07-26-12, 03:25 PM
And regardless, gay rights are a social tidal wave at this point. Cathy and his ilk have already lost this cultural debate.


That hasn't really translated into meaningful legal results though has it? At most you'll eventually have maybe 10-15 states support it...

Dr Mabuse
07-26-12, 03:25 PM
I think it is interesting to consider why this guy's comment bothers us, but when we get our shiny new Apple product, we rarely think of the fact that the device in our hands was once also held by some overworked, under paid factory worker living and working in conditions none of us ourselves would ever tolerate.

You're being way too generous there. They are locked inside death traps. It's been weeks since the last aluminum dust explosion roasted a bunch of them alive, just to mention one 'workplace' issue. It's a fairly common occurrence, numerous incidents this year. Imagine burning alive in a thermite cloud locked in a prison...

They leap to their death to try and escape these prisons, but Steve Jobs put up nets to catch them so they could be dragged back in and made to keep working! They slash their own throats with homemade knives. These aren't people who are 'low paid and overworked', these are slaves who choose death over going on another day making these devices and smart phones in those hellhole prison of human suffering owned and operated by Apple, and countless other electronics companies. Not to mention clothing, shoes, toys, etc. But the real evil in this world that needs a boycott is Chik-Fil-A and Christianity.

By all means back to the 'enlightened' fools in the US going on worrying about the 'hate' of Chik-Fil-A because they were told to do so, right up until they are distracted by the next thing they are told to be outraged about that comes along.

It's so pathetic, stupid, and typical....

adamblast
07-26-12, 03:29 PM
Well, Antione Dodson says to keep eating there, so that's good enough for me... :lol:

http://gawker.com/5929341/openly-gay-internet-celebrity-antoine-dodson-upsets-fans-by-expressing-support-for-chick+fil+a

Hokeyboy
07-26-12, 03:39 PM
[insert hopelessly obscure local restaurant on the opposite side of the country that closed three years ago that made a far superior chicken sandwich]
Makes one yearn for the subtle yet exquisite textures of airline food. rotfl

Tracer Bullet
07-26-12, 03:41 PM
You're being way too generous there. They are locked inside death traps. It's been weeks since the last aluminum dust explosion roasted a bunch of them alive, just to mention one 'workplace' issue. It's a fairly common occurrence, numerous incidents this year. Imagine burning alive in a thermite cloud locked in a prison...

They leap to their death to try and escape these prisons, but Steve Jobs put up nets to catch them so they could be dragged back in and made to keep working! They slash their own throats with homemade knives. These aren't people who are 'low paid and overworked', these are slaves who choose death over going on another day making these devices and smart phones in those hellhole prison of human suffering owned and operated by Apple, and countless other electronics companies. Not to mention clothing, shoes, toys, etc. But the real evil in this world that needs a boycott is Chik-Fil-A and Christianity.

rotfl

JasonF
07-26-12, 05:00 PM
Well, Antione Dodson says to keep eating there, so that's good enough for me... :lol:

http://gawker.com/5929341/openly-gay-internet-celebrity-antoine-dodson-upsets-fans-by-expressing-support-for-chick+fil+a

Hide your pickles, hide your waffle fries!

Has Sweet Brown weighed in yet?

MoviePage
07-26-12, 06:04 PM
Philadelphia Councilman Blasts Chick-Fil-A Prez For Comments Against Gay Marriage (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/07/26/councilman-blasts-chick-fil-a-prez-for-comments-against-gay-marriage/):
A Philadelphia City Councilman is joining those blasting the head of the fast food chain Chick-fil-A for his comments against gay marriage.

City Councilman Jim Kenney has fired-off a letter to Dan Cathy, the Baptist president of the fast food chain who last week denounced gay marriage on a radio show, saying he supports the Biblical definition of a family unit.

Kenney’s letter tells Cathy to “take a hike and take your intolerance with you,” and Kenney goes on to say he’ll introduce a resolution at the next City Council meeting condemning Cathy and Chick-fil-A for expressing intolerance and hate.

At a Chick-fil-A on Columbus Boulevard, one customer getting breakfast says Cathy is entitled to his personal opinion, as long as he’s not preaching to his customers.

“If he was trying to be persuasive to the patrons who came in and paid, then I would definitely stop coming. But until he does that, then it’s a good breakfast!”

Kenney’s letter is just one voice in a national backlash against the fast-food chain.

Gay-rights groups have planned a “kiss-in” at Chick-fil-A restaurants next week. The Jim Henson company pulled its Muppets toys from kids meals, and an alderman in Chicago says he’ll block the company from opening a new store there.

Conservatives are fighting back, though, with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee urging people to stand up for “godly values” by eating at Chick-fil-A.

MoviePage
07-26-12, 06:08 PM
I'm with Gov. Huckabee here. The more sodium-filled, fried food eaten by people who want to stand up for such "godly" values, the better.

dave-o
07-26-12, 07:23 PM
I'm with Gov. Huckabee here. The more sodium-filled, fried food eaten by people who want to stand up for such "godly" values, the better.

:lol:

Matt
07-26-12, 07:36 PM
Has Sweet Brown weighed in yet?

I'm afraid she ain't got time for that.

JasonF
07-26-12, 08:19 PM
I'm afraid she ain't got time for that.

:up: Well played, sir!

Hokeyboy
07-26-12, 08:27 PM
I'm with Gov. Huckabee here. The more sodium-filled, fried food eaten by people who want to stand up for such "godly" values, the better.
rotfl

Josh-da-man
07-26-12, 09:24 PM
I'm with Gov. Huckabee here. The more sodium-filled, fried food eaten by people who want to stand up for such "godly" values, the better.

Maybe that's how the Rapture happens ... all of the good Christians chow down on greasy chicken and waffle fries until their hearts explode out of their chests.

Rex Power Colt-Robot Man
07-27-12, 06:34 AM
Maybe that's how the Rapture happens ... all of the good Christians chow down on greasy chicken and waffle fries until their hearts explode out of their chests.

Thats the story of Jesus.

The Bus
07-27-12, 07:00 AM
Try opening up, say, an erotica museum in Ave Maria, FL and see how far that gets you.

You have my attention.

Guess I should be glad we have more Zaxby's than Chick Fil As around here

Boston has Boloco.

classicman2
07-27-12, 07:03 AM
Huckabee is just being a good Arkansan. After all Tysons' home base is in Arkansas.

btw: Does it tell you anything that Bill Clinton, Mike Huckabee, & Vince Foster were all born in the same Arkansas town?

mcnabb
07-27-12, 07:05 AM
As a small business owner I just think that a CEO of a company shouldn't be talking about political issues unless it involves their business directly (taxes, regulation, etc.). What I mean is that an issue like Gay Marriage has zero to do with Chick Fil-A, so why would you comment on it knowing you will alienate somebody who could be a paying customer? Now I could care less whether someone is pro or anti gay marriage, that is not the point, the point is if I'm running a business, there is no need to talk about politics or religion because your job is to make money from the maximum amount of customers, not try to make a political statement.

RoyalTea
07-27-12, 09:31 AM
Menino has backed off his initial threats to block Chick-Fil-A from opening in Boston and says that he has no legal right to deny them a license. Clearly, CFA would have grounds for a lawsuit if they were denied the right to open a business.

Menino says that the letter was just his personal opinion. But the letter was sent with an official government letterhead. And it was also sent to the owner of the property CFA wants to open. Suppose the landlord sees that and thinks that Menino is sending a subtle message to not give CFA a lease. Suppose the landlord might have future projects in mind and wants to be on the Mayor's good side and tells CFA that they will not let them move in.

Could Chick-Fil-A still legally go after Menino/Boston saying that the letter to the landlord was an act of coercion?

Nefarious
07-27-12, 09:44 AM
Even if they could, would Chik-fil-a want to get embroiled in that where they'd just have the reasons behind it in the news for an extended period of time?

RoyalTea
07-27-12, 09:51 AM
That could depend on whether or not they've seen an uptick in business after all the recent free publicity.

wendersfan
07-27-12, 09:57 AM
That could depend on whether or not they've seen an uptick in business after all the recent free publicity.
Well, sure, but just how much chicken can Dr. Mabuse eat?

Tracer Bullet
07-27-12, 10:17 AM
Well, sure, but just how much chicken can Dr. Mabuse eat?

He refuses to eat crow, so probably a lot.

CRM114
07-27-12, 10:21 AM
As a small business owner I just think that a CEO of a company shouldn't be talking about political issues unless it involves their business directly (taxes, regulation, etc.). What I mean is that an issue like Gay Marriage has zero to do with Chick Fil-A, so why would you comment on it knowing you will alienate somebody who could be a paying customer? Now I could care less whether someone is pro or anti gay marriage, that is not the point, the point is if I'm running a business, there is no need to talk about politics or religion because your job is to make money from the maximum amount of customers, not try to make a political statement.

Yes, and this includes things like 1) putting FoxNews on the TV in your place of business where customers are forced to watch it and 2) putting stuff on signs which are political in nature. Instant turn off for me.

classicman2
07-27-12, 10:24 AM
Have you all noticed that the chicken pieces from KFC are considerably smaller than they were? The prices are considerably higher they were. That's why my wife & I partake of the senior buffet. Not all KFCs have that buffet.

btw: My favorite piece is the wing.

I'm certain all of you waited with bated breath to hear that. :)

CRM114
07-27-12, 10:24 AM
Well, sure, but just how much chicken can Dr. Mabuse eat?

:lol:

focker
07-27-12, 10:25 AM
Well, sure, but just how much chicken can Dr. Mabuse eat?

rotfl

I support gay marriage, but I'm not going to let it effect what I eat. If I boycotted everyone who expressed views I disagree with, I would have a hard time finding any entertainment, food, or much of anything else.

Unclejosh
07-27-12, 10:29 AM
Yes, and this includes things like 1) putting FoxNews on the TV in your place of business where customers are forced to watch it and 2) putting stuff on signs which are political in nature. Instant turn off for me.

What about CNN or MSNBC? Not diagreeing with you, just curious if it is all news channels or just one you happen to dislike?

I personally cant stand when they show crap like the View, or those awful judge shows.

Double_Oh_7
07-27-12, 10:35 AM
I don't care about their politics. I avoid Chick-Fil-A because the food is godawful.

classicman2
07-27-12, 10:38 AM
I don't care about their politics. I avoid Chick-Fil-A because the food is godawful.

You've gotta be kidding. Their chicken sandwiches are very good.

Now be honest! You're pissed off because they close on Sundays. :)

Groucho
07-27-12, 10:39 AM
Isn't Chick-Fil-A a franchise operation? The location you're boycotting could very well be owned by a hippie-dippie "progressive".

Artman
07-27-12, 10:58 AM
As a small business owner I just think that a CEO of a company shouldn't be talking about political issues unless it involves their business directly (taxes, regulation, etc.). What I mean is that an issue like Gay Marriage has zero to do with Chick Fil-A, so why would you comment on it knowing you will alienate somebody who could be a paying customer? Now I could care less whether someone is pro or anti gay marriage, that is not the point, the point is if I'm running a business, there is no need to talk about politics or religion because your job is to make money from the maximum amount of customers, not try to make a political statement.

Great summary, I'm not a business owner but that makes perfect sense to me.

mcnabb
07-27-12, 10:58 AM
Yes, and this includes things like 1) putting FoxNews on the TV in your place of business where customers are forced to watch it and 2) putting stuff on signs which are political in nature. Instant turn off for me.

I wish you would have said a 'cable news network' instead of FOX News cause MSNBC is just as bad on the Left. CNN is pretty left too.

I learned at an early age there are two things you don't talk about unless you know someone real well: Religion and Politics. Whatever your political views, whether it be right or left is bound to piss someone off!

orangecrush
07-27-12, 11:07 AM
rotfl

I support gay marriage, but I'm not going to let it effect what I eat. If I boycotted everyone who expressed views I disagree with, I would have a hard time finding any entertainment, food, or much of anything else.This is how I feel. My guess is that if I knew a lot about any given CEO, I would find more than a few things not to like. Why would their political views make any difference to me?

RoyalTea
07-27-12, 11:18 AM
Isn't Chick-Fil-A a franchise operation? The location you're boycotting could very well be owned by a hippie-dippie "progressive".

What standards does Chick-Fil-A require before granting someone franchise rights? It wouldn't surprise me if they had some sort of process to weed out the hippie-dippies.

But I don't understand boycotting an independently owned and operated franchise because of what someone at corporate believes.

The independent owner of a local franchise might go out of their way to hire/promote gay employees or go out of their way to give gay customers an extra pickle. Why should they be punished for being anti-gay just because they sell a certain product?

cdollaz
07-27-12, 11:20 AM
rotfl

If I boycotted everyone who expressed views I disagree with, I would have a hard time finding any entertainment, food, or much of anything else.

No kidding. Those who are boycotting CFA probably wouldn't agree with many of the views of most the execs at energy companies either. I guess they should stop buying gas and start riding their bikes.

adamblast
07-27-12, 11:57 AM
Do they even operate in California? I find it weird that that I've never even seen a Chik-Fil-A, especially since I also spent years doing theater tours throughout the midwest and southwest. I'd probably love their food.

You'd also have a pretty hard time avoiding business interests owned by the Mormon Church; don't they have their fingers in a zillion pies?

Still, it's not so much a case of trying to *find* places to boycott--more like this guy poked his head up thru the whack-a-mole and made his chain an attractive target.

Groucho
07-27-12, 12:03 PM
You'd also have a pretty hard time avoiding business interests owned by the Mormon Church; don't they have their fingers in a zillion pies?Not as many as you'd think, and they're all pretty obvious:

http://www.deseretmanagement.com/?nid=2

4KRG
07-27-12, 12:14 PM
If we can believe the stats here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Major_denominations_founded_in_the_United_States

78% of Americans are Christian (you can speculate the % of christians that support gay marriage and remove them from the total)

If I took the time to overlay on a map where the majority of Christians in the US live, along with an overlay of a map of where the majority of the Chik-Fil-A stores are located

I am going to guess that Chik-Fil-A sales are going to increase as a result of the recent press :) (even if Dr. Mabuse only has his normal one sandwich per week)

I don't know if this is 100% accurate either, but roughly 3.8% of the population identifies as 'gay' (even if this estimate were off by double, the result wouldn't change)

http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm


boycotts are only effective if the majority boycott, otherwise, it is like masturbation, it makes you feel good but no one else cares or notices :)

wendersfan
07-27-12, 12:21 PM
Chick-Fil-A Debuts New Homophobic Sandwich (http://www.theonion.com/articles/chickfila-debuts-new-homophobic-sandwich,28888/)

'Queer-Hatin' Cordon Bleu' Goes On Sale Wednesday

JULY 24, 2012 | ISSUE 48•30

ATLANTA—As part of its recent efforts to publicly align itself with fundamentalist Christian values, the Chick-fil-A restaurant chain announced today the debut of its new Queer-Hatin' Cordon Bleu sandwich that would be on sale in all of the company's 1,600 restaurants this Wednesday.

In a press conference to reporters, company representatives said the homophobic new sandwich will include the national fast food chain’s trademark fried chicken filet wrapped in a piece of specially-smoked No Homo ham that would be topped with a slice of Swiss cheese and lathered in a creamy new Thousand Island-based *** Punching sauce.

"The Queer-Hatin' Cordon Bleu is our company's way of showing our firm commitment to strong, Christian family values," said Chick-fil-A spokesman Robert Gary, before adding that the vehemently anti-gay rights sandwich comes served in a combo with waffle fries and a medium soda for just $6.95. "From the very first morsel of this savory meal to the very last bite, customers can envision gays burning in hell with their sodomizing cohorts, and know that our sandwich is on their side.”

"Of course, the young ones will want to finish their meals off right with a No Fudge Packin' Soft Serve Cone," Gary added. "I can't think of a better way to follow up a sandwich this good."

While the release of the Queer-Hatin’ Cordon Bleu has led to anger from pro-gay rights groups, loyal Chick-fil-A customers claim they are happy they can finally enjoy a sandwich that takes a firm stance on the issue of homosexuality.

"Any sandwich that combines that great Chick-fil-A flavor with a hefty dose of vitriolic homophobia is definitely going to keep me coming back for more," said Atlanta customer John Oaks. “Come Wednesday, I’m going to be first in line for this thing.”

According to sources, the Queer-Hatin’ Cordon Bleu is merely the first of Chick-fil-A’s new family values menu which is set to include the AIDS Is God’s Curse chicken nugget combo and the **** Caused 9/11 strawberry fruit smoothie.

Groucho
07-27-12, 12:21 PM
I'm pretty sure that somebody doesn't have to be gay in order to participate in the boycott. I'm also pretty sure that not all Christians agree with the CEO's remarks.

Nugent
07-27-12, 12:52 PM
If we can believe the stats here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Major_denominations_founded_in_the_United_States

78% of Americans are Christian (you can speculate the % of christians that support gay marriage and remove them from the total)

If I took the time to overlay on a map where the majority of Christians in the US live, along with an overlay of a map of where the majority of the Chik-Fil-A stores are located

I am going to guess that Chik-Fil-A sales are going to increase as a result of the recent press :) (even if Dr. Mabuse only has his normal one sandwich per week)

I don't know if this is 100% accurate either, but roughly 3.8% of the population identifies as 'gay' (even if this estimate were off by double, the result wouldn't change)

http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm


boycotts are only effective if the majority boycott, otherwise, it is like masturbation, it makes you feel good but no one else cares or notices :)

Which is exactly why there will be no boycot since it would be embarrassing when sales spiked.

cpgator
07-27-12, 02:07 PM
Do they even operate in California? I find it weird that that I've never even seen a Chik-Fil-A, especially since I also spent years doing theater tours throughout the midwest and southwest. I'd probably love their food.

Here is an article about a protest at a CA location, though it didn't work out very well.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/chick-fil-a-franchise-owner-vows-to-treat-all-with-dignity-and-respect.html

dvdjunkie32
07-27-12, 02:10 PM
Have you all noticed that the chicken pieces from KFC are considerably smaller than they were? The prices are considerably higher they were. That's why my wife & I partake of the senior buffet. Not all KFCs have that buffet.

btw: My favorite piece is the wing.

I'm certain all of you waited with bated breath to hear that. :)

Their mashed potatos container has become a lot smaller and flatter too. Get less for more $$. Gotta love this economy.

Dr Mabuse
07-27-12, 02:15 PM
Here is an article about a protest at a CA location, though it didn't work out very well.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/chick-fil-a-franchise-owner-vows-to-treat-all-with-dignity-and-respect.html

So they paid someone $20 to not eat there. Those fools really pulled that whole boycott thing off!

Some of the 'enlightened' folks in this thread should go do that too, you know, to 'show the man his "hate" won't stand!' like the media told them to think.

:lol:

I don't eat chicken, you bastards! :mad:

DaveyJoe
07-27-12, 02:41 PM
The independent owner of a local franchise might go out of their way to hire/promote gay employees or go out of their way to give gay customers an extra pickle. Why should they be punished for being anti-gay just because they sell a certain product?

I'll bet they do. :eyebrow:

grundle
07-27-12, 02:55 PM
As far as I can tell, the New York Times, Washington Post, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSNBC have all refused to report that the ACLU is defending Chick-fil-A:


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/26/politician-plan-to-block-chick-fil-is-unconstitutional-legal-experts-say/

Legal eagles cry fowl over politicians' plans to block Chick-fil-A

July 26, 2012

As Chicago became the latest city to tell Chick-fil-A it isn't welcome because its president doesn't support gay marriage, legal experts said the communities don't have a drumstick to stand on.

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel became the second big-city mayor to blast the company over president Dan Cathy's comment last week that he is “guilty as charged” for supporting the traditional definition of marriage. Emanuel spoke up after Alderman Proco Joe Moreno announced he intends to block the chain from opening its second Chicago location over his stance.

But barring the popular fast-food restaurant over the personal views of Cathy is an “open and shut” discrimination case, legal scholars told FoxNews.com.

“The government can regulate discrimination in employment or against customers, but what the government cannot do is to punish someone for their words,” said Adam Schwartz, senior attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois. “When an alderman refuses to allow a business to open because its owner has expressed a viewpoint the government disagrees with, the government is practicing viewpoint discrimination.”

The ACLU “strongly supports” same-sex marriage, Schwartz said, but noted that if a government can exclude a business for being against same-sex marriage, it can also exclude a business for being in support of same-sex marriage.

“But we also support the First Amendment,” he said. “We don’ think the government should exclude Chick-fil-A because of the anti-LGBT message. We believe this is clear cut.”

Jonathan Turley, a professor at the George Washington University Law School, said Moreno’s intentions raises “serious” constitutional concerns.

“It’s also a very slippery slope,” Turley told FoxNews.com. “If a City Council started to punish companies because of the viewpoints of their chief operating officers, that would become a very long list of banned companies.”

If Moreno did indeed put such a plan into action, it would be “excessive and likely unconstitutional,” Turley said.

Wilson Huhn, a professor and associate director of the Constitutional Law Center at The University of Akron School of Law, echoed Turley’s stance, saying that a denial on behalf of Moreno regarding a second Chick-fil-A restaurant in Chicago’s Logan Square neighborhood would “absolutely” violate the First Amendment.

“It would be an open and shut case,” Huhn said. “You can’t do that. They cannot be denied a zoning permit based upon the viewpoint of their CEO.”

Moreno and Emanuel can express their personal opinion on the matter, Huhn said, including the organization of boycotts and protests against the fast food chain.

“But if official action were taken against Chick-fil-A based upon their opposition to same-sex marriage by denying them permits or to prevent their restaurant from expanding, that would absolutely be viewpoint discrimination,” Huhn said.

Meanwhile, in a statement released Thursday, the owner and operator of Chicago’s only Chick-fil-A restaurant — which created 97 jobs in the past year — invited Emanuel to meet with her. The invitation came after Emanuel said opening a second location in the city would be a “bad investment” following Moreno’s statement.

In a statement to FoxNews.com, Sarah Hamilton, a spokeswoman for Emanuel, said that the mayor said that Cathy did not share Chicago’s values.

“He did not say that he would block or play any role in the company opening a new restaurant here,” Hamilton said in a statement to FoxNews.com. “If they meet all the usual requirements, then they can open their restaurant, but their values aren't reflective of our city.”

The Atlanta-based chain declined to comment for this story.

Reached by phone Thursday, Moreno first appeared to back away from his stance, saying traffic concerns drive his objections to the store. But when pressed, Moreno refused to back off his criticism of Cathy’s position on same-sex marriage.

“No, I’m not saying that, I’m not walking back about from that,” Moreno said when asked if his objection to the restaurant has nothing to do with Cathy’s beliefs. “That’s another part of it .. I think businesses should be neutral on that. They should be selling chicken.”

Last week, Boston Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald that “it will be very difficult” for Chick-fil-A to obtain licenses for a restaurant in Boston. But on Thursday, Menino backed away from that threat, saying he won’t actively block the chain.

“I can’t do that,” he told the Herald. “That would be interference to his rights to go there.”

And in a letter dated Wednesday, Philadelphia City Councilman James Kenney wrote a letter to Cathy criticizing him for his comments.

"As an American you are legally entitled to your opinion, regardless of how insensitive and intolerant it may be, but as a fellow American and an elected member of Philadelphia City Council; I am entitled to express my opinion as well," Kenney wrote. "So please – take a hike and take your intolerance with you. There is no place for this type of hate in our great City of Brotherly Love and Sisterly Affection."

Despite the emotional issue of same-sex marriage, Cathy's position is not out of the mainstream. A USA Today/Gallup Poll in May showed 50 percent of Americans approved of gay marriage and 48 percent opposed it. That poll was taken one day before President Obama, who had previously said he was against same-sex marriage, but that his position was "evolving," came out in favor of it.

Evangelist Billy Graham on Thursday issued a statement in support of Cathy and Chick-fil-A for its “strong Christian” faith.

“I've known their family for many years and have watched them grow Chick-fil-A into one of the best businesses in America while never compromising their values,” the statement read. “Each generation faces different issues and challenges, but our standard must always be measured by God's word. I appreciate the Cathy family's public support for God's definition of marriage … As the son of a dairy farmer who milked many a cow, I plan to 'Eat Mor Chikin' and show my support by visiting Chick-fil-A next Wednesday."

grundle
07-27-12, 03:32 PM
Maybe that's how the Rapture happens ... all of the good Christians chow down on greasy chicken and waffle fries until their hearts explode out of their chests.


http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/27/report-chick-fil-as-public-relations-director-dead-of-heart-attack/

Chick-fil-A’s public relations director dead of heart attack

07/27/2012

The head of public relations at Chick-fil-A died Friday morning of an apparent heart attack, according to the company.

The employee, Donald A. Perry, was the company’s vice president of corporate public relations.

His death comes as Chick-fil-A finds itself embroiled in a public relations fiasco with the gay community and supporters of same-sex marriage protesting the company because of statements made by company president Dan Cathy.

Erica M. Martinez, a Chick-fil-A spokeswoman, confirmed the news Friday afternoon in a statement to The Daily Caller.

“We are saddened to report the news to you that our dear friend Don Perry, vice president of public relations, passed away suddenly this morning,” she said. “Don was a member of our Chick-fil-A family for nearly 29 years.”

Martinez added: “For many of you in the media, he was the spokesperson for Chick-fil-A. He was a well-respected and well-liked media executive in the Atlanta and University of Georgia communities, and we will all miss him.”

WBRL News 3 in Georgia reported the cause of the death to be a heart attack.

Perry joined Chick-fil-A in the 1980s.

“I came on board in 1983 to literally start the public relations function here, because the company was young, growing and emerging,” Perry told Georgia Magazine. “The company was trying to move beyond just a small, regional family chain to become a national brand.”

Perry is portrayed as protective of the company in a 2003 Fortune Small Business story. He is quoted questioning the motives of a reporter in a piece about the religious beliefs of the company’s founder. “What would you like to do? Are you going to continue on a religious kind of thing, or are you going to concentrate more on the Chick-fil-A business?”

He became an elder of his church in 1997, according to information posted on the website of Hillcrest Church of Christ. The church said Perry enjoyed “leading his church fellowship cell group, as well as working to help maintain harmony in the congregation.”

“One of the challenges sometimes is helping to reconcile differing views among members,” Perry said, according to the church, “but we work to keep unity of the faith.”

Navinabob
07-27-12, 04:49 PM
All of the sudden the employee discount on chicken sandwiches don't sound like that great of a bargain.

Groucho
07-27-12, 05:03 PM
As far as I can tell, the New York Times, Washington Post, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSNBC have all refused to report that the ACLU is defending Chick-fil-AACLU is not defending Chick-Fil-A. Fox interviewed an ACLU lawyer and he gave his legal opinion that Chick-Fil-A should not be blocked from opening locations based on statements made by the CEO.

Navinabob
07-27-12, 05:33 PM
ACLU is not defending Chick-Fil-A. Fox interviewed an ACLU lawyer and he gave his legal opinion that Chick-Fil-A should not be blocked from opening locations based on statements made by the CEO.

It's funny how all the conservative blogs missed that fact as they reported the same exact conspiracy bullshit as Grundle. It's like the blind leading the dumb.

RoyalTea
07-27-12, 05:48 PM
ACLU is not defending Chick-Fil-A. Fox interviewed an ACLU lawyer and he gave his legal opinion that Chick-Fil-A should not be blocked from opening locations based on statements made by the CEO.

Depends on the definition of "defend (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defend)."

Verb

defend (third-person singular simple present defends, present participle defending, simple past and past participle defended)

(transitive, obsolete) To ward off, repel (an attack or attacker).  [quotations ▼]
(transitive, obsolete) To prevent, to keep (from doing something).
(transitive, intransitive, obsolete) To prohibit, forbid.  [quotations ▼]
(transitive) To ward off attacks from; to fight to protect; to guard.
(transitive) To support by words or writing; to vindicate, talk in favour of.
(transitive, law) To make legal defence of; to represent (the accused).  [quotations ▼]
(sports) To focus one's energies and talents on preventing opponents from scoring, as opposed to focusing on scoring.
(sports) To attempt to retain a title, or attempt to reach the same stage in a competition as one did in the previous edition of that competition.
(poker slang) To call a raise from the big blind.


I don't believe any lawsuits have been filed, so definition #6 (legal representation) doesn't apply. But I would say that definition #5 seems to fit ("To support by words or writing; to vindicate, talk in favour of.")

WallyOPD
07-27-12, 05:53 PM
When someone is talking about the ACLU "defending" some person or entity, I think it's at least strongly implied that it is in some official capacity. From that story it looks like Fox News interviewed several legal experts, the ACLU attorney included. To criticize other news sites for "refusing to report" on what one person among many interviewed for a story said in a non-official capacity is just silly.

Navinabob
07-27-12, 06:10 PM
Depends on the definition of "defend (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defend)."



I don't believe any lawsuits have been filed, so definition #6 (legal representation) doesn't apply. But I would say that definition #5 seems to fit ("To support by words or writing; to vindicate, talk in favour of.")

Why else would Grundle be going ape-shit over a media conspiracy unless he was actually thinking that they were "legally defending" them. Otherwise it is a non-story.

Although, to be fair, it wouldn't be the first time Grundle took a non-story, inflated it, and then wove it into a conspiracy theory. So maybe he actually thought it was relevant somehow?

I dunno. It sorta sucks for Grundle either way he cuts it because either it says:

A) he was an idiot for thinking the ACLU was legally defending them, or

B) he was insane for thinking that every major news organization should be reporting the ACLU quote and implying it somehow spoke to a larger conspiracy.

RoyalTea
07-27-12, 06:15 PM
Why else would Grundle be going ape-shit over a media conspiracy unless he was actually thinking that they were "legally defending" them.

I have no idea. I don't read grundle posts.

DeputyDave
07-27-12, 06:32 PM
Hey, hey, hey! The left has crazy people too :(

Navinabob
07-27-12, 06:46 PM
Hey, hey, hey! The left has crazy people too :(

Of course you'd say that. Everyone knows that you are just part of a greater secret Big-Brother plot that wants to create fear and panic to justify wars for oil! :tinfoil:

Nugent
07-27-12, 06:48 PM
Here is an article about a protest at a CA location, though it didn't work out very well.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/chick-fil-a-franchise-owner-vows-to-treat-all-with-dignity-and-respect.html

Laura Cantor, an organizer of the protest and director of youth service at the Center in Orange County, a LGBT community center, said that if the group persuaded one person to avoid Chick-fil-A, the protest was a success.

Congrats you did and it only cost you twenty bucks! Well done!
rotfl

Lt Ripley
07-27-12, 06:54 PM
Ate at Chick-fil-A today. It was OK.

Flashback
07-27-12, 07:00 PM
So our idiot mayor .....

“Chick-fil-A’s values are not Chicago values. They’re not respectful of our residents, our neighbors and our family members. And if you’re gonna be part of the Chicago community, you should reflect Chicago values,” Emanuel said Wednesday according to the Sun-Times.



And then this? Are kidding me? ....

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel may, as Bethany wrote yesterday, have a problem with Chick-fil-A but apparently he has far more tolerance for anti-Semitic lunatics than for gay marriage opponents. Chick-fil-A might be getting blocked from the city, but Emanuel warmly applauded Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam for patrolling the city streets yesterday, with no mention of Farrakhan’s long-held anti-Semitism:


Not sure but does Louis Farrakhan/Nation of Islam believe in stoning gay people? Also i believe Rahm is Jewish.

Dr Mabuse
07-27-12, 07:23 PM
Ate at Chick-fil-A today. It was OK.

:lol:

Hate monger!!1!

So our idiot mayor .....

You're not under some impression that this whole 'Chik-Fil-A outrage!' thing is in any way based in reason, or involves intelligent people forming their own opinions are you?

When you understand how idiotic the whole thing is, and how thoughtless those who fall for it are, then the seeming contradiction you cite above will make a lot more sense. It's perfectly congruent with the idiocy of the whole thing.

WallyOPD
07-27-12, 08:10 PM
When you understand how idiotic the whole thing is, and how thoughtless those who fall for it are, then the seeming contradiction you cite above will make a lot more sense. It's perfectly congruent with the idiocy of the whole thing.

To be clear, are you accusing the people in this thread who take issue with Chick-Fil-A's stance and are choosing to vote with their wallet are thoughtless and/or idiots?

PopcornTreeCt
07-27-12, 08:58 PM
Fast forward to 20 years and anything anyone ever said about being against gay marriage will be seen in the same light as those who have made racist/anti-semetic remarks. It's just the world we live in.

Josh-da-man
07-27-12, 10:44 PM
Fast forward to 20 years and anything anyone ever said about being against gay marriage will be seen in the same light as those who have made racist/anti-semetic remarks. It's just the world we live in.

I don't hate Negros, but I think they should stay with their own kind. As long as they stay away from my family and my business, and I don't have to look at them, I'm fine with them. Just get to the back of the bus and STFU.

ETA: And Rosa Parks is a damn dirty whore.

MoviePage
07-28-12, 04:00 AM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/418248_10151983639830354_861813659_n.jpg

RunBandoRun
07-28-12, 04:13 AM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/418248_10151983639830354_861813659_n.jpg

The Palins at their wedding reception. :lol: And don't think for one minute that that guy is not TOTALLY closeted. :D

RunBandoRun
07-28-12, 04:19 AM
P.S. for the record:

I do not eat at Chick-fil-A and have not after the first time, when I was unimpressed with their food and its overpriced, overrated, overall greasy nastiness. I also am surprised it took this long for America to find out about the corporation's culture because it's been known in the gay community for years.

I believe people who are repelled (as am I) by the idea of their money being used to generate profits that will then be donated to organizations that work against equal marriage rights should vote with their feet and not support Chick-fil-A.

While the CEO has the right to believe whatever he wants, airing those beliefs is pretty short sighted (wonder how his franchisers would have advised him?) and opens him up to the criticism he is rightfully receiving now.

I draw the line, however, at mayors threatening to ban him from opening restaurants in their cities. They are asking to be sued.

I also draw the line at "kiss-ins" and other childish, confrontational, counterproductive tactics employed by the opposition.

As you were. :)

Jaymole
07-28-12, 06:43 AM
Chick-fil-A opened up a restaurant in the Village here in NYC last year. I have not eaten there yet and now I never will.

Rex Power Colt-Robot Man
07-28-12, 07:09 AM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/418248_10151983639830354_861813659_n.jpg

Politics aside.... Id bang the hell out of Sarah Palin.

classicman2
07-28-12, 07:18 AM
I'm certain Chick-fil-A is suffering great agony because Vibiana & Jaymole will never darken their doors again.

Who gives a shit?

MoviePage
07-28-12, 07:46 AM
A lot of people give a shit, evidently.

I just thought the Palin pic was very fitting, given the thread title.

slop101
07-28-12, 08:58 AM
Are there any figures out there yet that show if this thing has hurt or helped ChicFilA in any way?

Jason
07-28-12, 09:22 AM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/418248_10151983639830354_861813659_n.jpg

I'm out. I was willing to ignore their politics to satisfy my crack-fil-a addiction, but this is too much.

General Zod
07-28-12, 09:27 AM
I'm certain Chick-fil-A is suffering great agony because Vibiana & Jaymole will never darken their doors again.

Who gives a shit?

Exactly. And I still don't understand the "outrage" here. So a group of people that want everyone else to be tolerant and understanding about the way they are refuse to be tolerant and understanding about the way someone else is. Fantastic.

I draw the line, however, at mayors threatening to ban him from opening restaurants in their cities. They are asking to be sued.

I also draw the line at "kiss-ins" and other childish, confrontational, counterproductive tactics employed by the opposition.

:up:

Artman
07-28-12, 09:42 AM
So a group of people that want everyone else to be tolerant and understanding about the way they are refuse to be tolerant and understanding about the way someone else is.


It's always been that way, their militancy is just too creepy for me. Shouldn't be long before we start getting the vandalism reports...

classicman2
07-28-12, 09:59 AM
Exactly. And I still don't understand the "outrage" here. So a group of people that want everyone else to be tolerant and understanding about the way they are refuse to be tolerant and understanding about the way someone else is. Fantastic.:up:

This forum seems to be 'filled' with those type of folks.

sherm42
07-28-12, 10:40 AM
We have a Chick near my work. I haven't eaten there in years because of their stance on gays and gay marriage. I can say with certainty that they have lost probably $500 or more of my business over that time. Money I would have spent there if not for their beliefs. I am sure I am not alone. I simply will not give my money to a company like this.

They sell chicken, but have alienated a lot of potential customers. Doesn't make much business sense.

Tracer Bullet
07-28-12, 10:45 AM
Chick-fil-A opened up a restaurant in the Village here in NYC last year. I have not eaten there yet and now I never will.

The one in the NYU dorm? That's been there for years.

JohnSlider
07-28-12, 10:51 AM
So a group of people that want everyone else to be tolerant and understanding about the way they are refuse to be tolerant and understanding about the way someone else is. Fantastic.

I wonder if that's what our great grandparents said about the slaves. The difference between these two groups of people being who they are and tolerant of it is that one wants to oppress the rights of the other. Gay people aren't trying to restrict the rights or interfere in the life of some old conservative tool, but that old conservative tool is using his earnings to fund anti-gay programs and politicians with anti-gay policies that directly affect their lives.

sracer
07-28-12, 10:57 AM
We have a Chick near my work. I haven't eaten there in years because of their stance on gays and gay marriage. I can say with certainty that they have lost probably $500 or more of my business over that time. Money I would have spent there if not for their beliefs. I am sure I am not alone. I simply will not give my money to a company like this.

They sell chicken, but have alienated a lot of potential customers. Doesn't make much business sense.
...and yet they're still in business.

What is happening now is that those who disagree with CFA's position are not satisfied with the power that their lone voice carries. So they organize a boycott of the company. When that fails to get the results that they want, they'll expand the boycott to those companies and people who do business with CFA. And when that fails, they move to get government entities to exert pressure to support their boycott.

What is the endgame for those who disagree with CFA's CEO's position? Force him to change his mind? Force CFA into non-existence?

Has CFA discriminated against their customers?

PopcornTreeCt
07-28-12, 11:36 AM
I wonder if that's what our great grandparents said about the slaves. The difference between these two groups of people being who they are and tolerant of it is that one wants to oppress the rights of the other. Gay people aren't trying to restrict the rights or interfere in the life of some old conservative tool, but that old conservative tool is using his earnings to fund anti-gay programs and politicians with anti-gay policies that directly affect their lives.

It amazes me that no one gets this, especially intelligent people here in this forum. The people who are against it now are no different than the people who were against civil rights in the 60's. You're wrong. Sorry, I don't have a time machine to show you how stupid you're going to look in the future.

crazyronin
07-28-12, 11:43 AM
...CFA's CEO...

Dan Cathy is the COO of CFA.

this piece of minutiae brought to you by the irritate tracer bullet committee.

sherm42
07-28-12, 12:17 PM
...and yet they're still in business.

What is happening now is that those who disagree with CFA's position are not satisfied with the power that their lone voice carries. So they organize a boycott of the company. When that fails to get the results that they want, they'll expand the boycott to those companies and people who do business with CFA. And when that fails, they move to get government entities to exert pressure to support their boycott.

What is the endgame for those who disagree with CFA's CEO's position? Force him to change his mind? Force CFA into non-existence?

Has CFA discriminated against their customers?

The end game is simple. I don't give my money to a company which actively supports anti-gay causes and gives money to those causes. I choose to give that money to other businesses. I don't care if they will still be in business. My goal is not to destroy Chick.

Make no mistake. They have lost my money. That is a quantifiable loss because I would otherwise have spent money there. I assume the same is true for other people who refuse to eat there.

Nugent
07-28-12, 12:33 PM
Are there any figures out there yet that show if this thing has hurt or helped ChicFilA in any way?

Here is an article about a protest at a CA location, though it didn't work out very well.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/chick-fil-a-franchise-owner-vows-to-treat-all-with-dignity-and-respect.html

If they only way the squawkers could keep a lone customer out of a CFA in Cali is by paying them $20 what do you think will happen in Birmingham AL? :lol:

Artman
07-28-12, 12:49 PM
The end game is simple. I don't give my money to a company which actively supports anti-gay causes and gives money to those causes. I choose to give that money to other businesses. I don't care if they will still be in business.


No problem with that at all... likewise I'm assuming there's folks who've never been to one who will check them out now as well. Live and let live I say. I would still recommend not having a litmus test to begin with, but that's just me.

Still, I was a little disturbed by the number of "likes" I saw regarding the death of the marketing guy. Anyone else notice that on facebook this morning?

Jason
07-28-12, 12:52 PM
Make no mistake. They have lost my money. That is a quantifiable loss because I would otherwise have spent money there. I assume the same is true for other people who refuse to eat there.

But you have to balance that out with all the people who will make it a point to go there, just to piss off the libtards.

MoviePage
07-28-12, 01:10 PM
Exactly. And I still don't understand the "outrage" here. So a group of people that want everyone else to be tolerant and understanding about the way they are refuse to be tolerant and understanding about the way someone else is. Fantastic.



:up:

When did good old-fashioned bigotry become "the way someone is"? I see this argument a surprising amount -- "You're intolerant of my intolerance, therefore you're just as intolerant as I am! Gotcha!" It's not the same thing.

Jaymole
07-28-12, 01:19 PM
The one in the NYU dorm? That's been there for years.

The one on University place...I thought it opened last year...I had no idea.

Nugent
07-28-12, 01:57 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/protest-targets-fried-chicken-gay-marriage-row-181822642.html?_esi=1

"Ho-ho, hey-hey, Chick-fil-A is anti-gay," chanted a young crowd of around 20 demonstrators, with no apparent impact on the steady flow of patrons picking up chicken sandwiches and nuggets under the hot midday sun.

Another example of the complete and utter irrelevance of protests directed towards Chick-fil-A.

Nugent
07-28-12, 02:00 PM
Still, I was a little disturbed by the number of "likes" I saw regarding the death of the marketing guy. Anyone else notice that on facebook this morning?

How is that remotely surprising.

joeblow69
07-28-12, 02:13 PM
How is that remotely surprising.
Well one of the main things that is preventing the gay rights movement from advancing, is that we're still waiting for the older generation to die off. Every little bit helps. ;)