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Matthew Chmiel
07-13-12, 11:01 PM
More trouble between Rentrak and big theater chain AMC today which is why North American box office is coming to you later than usual. In exhibition-speak, Rentrak is still populating AMC grosses due to feed deficiencies that affect the outcome. In Hollywood-speak, Foxís Scrat has more than earned his acorn. And in normal English, itís very possible these numbers could jump higher by the end of the day. But right now my sources have Twentieth Century Fox Animation and Blue Sky Studiosí Ice Age 4: Continental Drift opening well as expected between $14.5M and $16M for today and $40M-$44M for the weekend. Thatís from 3,879 theaters, of which 2,731 are 3D. Sonyís successful The Amazing Spider-Man 3D reboot should come in at around $11M today (-46% compared to last Friday) and $34M (-45%) for the weekend. Universal hit comedy Ted is starting its third weekend with $19M-$20M. Pixar/Disney blockbuster toon Brave is looking $10M-$11M, Warner Brosí low-budget surprise Magic Mike could be $8M-$9M, same as Universalís holdover Savages from Oliver Stone. More laterÖ

I read:

Ice Age's opening weekend is in line with its last outing before it gets crushed next weekend.
The Amazing Spider-Man isn't going to have a strong second weekend before it gets crushed next weekend.
Ted actually has a shot of doing $200 million if it doesn't get crushed next weekend.


Meh.

At least there's some excitement next weekend!

davidh777
07-14-12, 01:05 AM
What comes out next weekend?

Matthew Chmiel
07-14-12, 01:07 AM
What comes out next weekend?
Step Up Revolution and it'll set the box office ON FIRE!

FRwL
07-14-12, 01:17 AM
Wait what?

Matthew Chmiel
07-14-12, 01:18 AM
Wait what?
You didn't hear? Summit Entertainment shelled out tons of cash, bought up all of the IMAX screens in the country and moved up the release date of Step Up Revolution to next weekend.

JumpCutz
07-14-12, 04:02 AM
Step up revolutions is the summer movie everyone I know will be watching. Nothing else of any interest is being released so it will bring in major numbers.

OldBoy
07-14-12, 10:50 AM
i'm not sure how they can possibly top Step Up 3D, but whatever.

islandclaws
07-14-12, 11:03 AM
TASM seems to be doing well enough to warrant the sequel, but the general consensus seems to be a resounding MEH.

I'm anxious to see how TDKR does next week. Can it break $200m with a long running time and no 3D bump?

i'm not sure how they can possibly top Step Up 3D, but whatever.

In terms of dancing? Because I had to review it and, yea, making a better film doesn't seem too hard.

mhg83
07-14-12, 11:45 AM
TDKR is going to Tank I guarantee it!

Goat3001
07-14-12, 11:51 AM
I hope all the midnight showings of TDKR are replaced by Batman Forever.

Giles
07-14-12, 12:20 PM
Step Up Revolution and it'll set the box office ON FIRE!

:rock:

bluetoast
07-14-12, 12:25 PM
Whatever happened to that dude who directed Memento?

Mr. Cinema
07-14-12, 02:14 PM
BoxOffice.com:

http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/7/19505585195.jpg

Deadline mentioned in their article that Sony believes Amazing Spider-Man will reach $800 million worldwide. I'd say that'll be good enough for a sequel.

fumanstan
07-14-12, 02:24 PM
I'm surprised at how well Ted is still doing.

Mr. Cinema
07-14-12, 02:30 PM
I'm surprised at how well Ted is still doing.
Remember, Fox passed on "Ted". And it's going to gross more than Prometheus and Abraham Lincoln combined. You'd think the place where Seth MacFarlane works on a daily basis would have took a chance on his movie.

Ted gave Universal a much needed hit. Snow White has also made a quiet, respectable $150 mil in the US. And they have Bourne Legacy in August, which should still do well despite no Damon.

Matthew Chmiel
07-14-12, 03:04 PM
Remember, Fox passed on "Ted". And it's going to gross more than Prometheus and Abraham Lincoln combined. You'd think the place where Seth MacFarlane works on a daily basis would have took a chance on his movie.

Ted gave Universal a much needed hit. Snow White has also made a quiet, respectable $150 mil in the US. And they have Bourne Legacy in August, which should still do well despite no Damon.
Because Tom Rothman is a moron and he's been running Fox directly into the ground for the past few years. He probably passed on Ted as his thought process was than a hard R-rated comedy wouldn't sell to the masses.

Universal took a chance and it became the surprise hit of the summer. :thumbsup: to Universal and MacFarlane.

Spider-Man 3 cost $258 million to produce (before prints and advertising) and pulled in $900 million worldwide. The Amazing-Spider Man cost $230 million to produce (before prints and advertising) and looks to do significantly less. It's also going to drop hard when the Batman is released next weekend, possibly hurting its chance to make it to $800 million. So, tell me again why Raimi and Maguire got the boot?

I'm anxious to see how TDKR does next week. Can it break $200m with a long running time and no 3D bump?
Possibly. Warner is throwing it onto as many screens as possible.

Hokeyboy
07-14-12, 03:07 PM
Without the 3D premium pricing, I doubt TDKR is gonna break a $200 million opening weekend or Avengers's domestic gross. But if the film is good enough, you never know.

yoshimi
07-14-12, 04:13 PM
There are still 6 days left for one of the actors of TDKR to OD to help the box office.

Mr. Cinema
07-14-12, 04:37 PM
Spider-Man 3 cost $258 million to produce (before prints and advertising) and pulled in $900 million worldwide. The Amazing-Spider Man cost $230 million to produce (before prints and advertising) and looks to do significantly less. It's also going to drop hard when the Batman is released next weekend, possibly hurting its chance to make it to $800 million. So, tell me again why Raimi and Maguire got the boot?
Maybe a couple reasons. Maybe they just didn't like Raimi's ideas for a part 4. And to bring everyone back again a 4th time might have been even more costly than doing a re-boot. A 4th Raimi film might have been $300+ million to produce.

Matthew Chmiel
07-14-12, 05:43 PM
Maybe a couple reasons. Maybe they just didn't like Raimi's ideas for a part 4. And to bring everyone back again a 4th time might have been even more costly than doing a re-boot. A 4th Raimi film might have been $300+ million to produce.

I've trimmed a lot out, but enjoy the wall of text:

It’s time to end once and for all the rampant speculation. Sony doesn’t want any info to leak but I’m told that both star Tobey Maguire and director Sam Raimi will be returning to make Zodiac screenwriter Jamie Vanderbilt’s script of Spider-Man 4. Sources tell me that Sony has recently locked in both veterans of Spider-Man 1 through 3. And I do mean recently because just a few weeks ago sources told me that Sony Pictures co-chairman Amy Pascal was openly discussing Tobey’s potential replacements with various Hollywood agents because Tobey was hanging tough about a deal. “She was looking around to cover herself because Sony wanted him badly and Tobey wasn’t sure he wanted to do it,” an insider explained to me.

There’s no deal yet for Kirsten Dunst but Mary Jane Watson will be in the movie again. I’m told Sony “would never recast her” despite her rehab problems. But expect another gal part, too.

Gone is the black costume from Spidey 3, even though “dark” is all the rage in superhero movies right now given the enormous success of The Dark Knight. But I’m told the filmmakers won’t be borrowing from the latest Batman installment because “Spider-Man is its own thing,” one insider tells me. ”Sam Raimi made the first serious superhero movie, and others followed. The difference between Spider-Man and Batman is that Batman is duelling with a dark side of himself, and that’s not what Peter Parker’s struggle is. Peter Parker has no dark side himself. In Spider-Man 3 it was the black costume. Peter Parker’s struggle is about sacrifice.”

Sony is taking its time officially hiring the movie’s villain since principal photography doesn’t start on Spider-Man 4 until next fall because of the recently postponed May 2011 release. I am told, however, that “once you find out who the villain is, you’ll know who’s playing it.” That should lead to speculation that Dylan Baker’s character of Dr. Curt Connors will ultimately turn into The Lizard as he did in the comic books. There’s one other character that’s been set up but is a real longshot — Daniel Gillies, who plays John Jameson, the astronaut fiance of Mary Jane in Spider-Man 2. In the comics he becomes the villain Man-Wolf. Raimi has said in the past that he wants the best actors to play the villains in the movie, not necessarily the most famous.

I’m also told that, right now, the studio is trying to figure out if it can feasibly shoot Spider-Man 4 and 5 at the same time because doing that is so cost effective and ”it wasn’t so easy to get everybody back together”.

[...]

And Sony has hired a pair of screenwriters to get going on the Spider-Man 3 spinoff movie Venom. Given that comic book artist/writer and action figure maker, Todd McFarlane, who is one of the creators of the Marvel villain, doesn’t think a Venom movie could do well with a villain as the central character, my sources think Sony should let Topher Grace, even though he was blown up at the end of Spider-Man 3 (yet a portion of the Venom costume survived), stay in the role because the likeable actor could be a a sympathetic evildoer.

This is a story I’ve been working on ever since I saw this December 11th email that went out to the Spider-Man 4 special effects crew that day:

"Hey there–

We were just notified that our schedule is pushing. We will NOT be starting as planned. I’m terribly sorry for this news, and I hope this email reaches you in time to find other options. We do not know how long we are pushing, and we will not know until mid-January. By mid-January, we will be told how long the push is, whether it be 2 weeks, 2 months, or something else. The studio has every intention of making the movie, but we no longer have a confirmed start date.

Again, I’m terribly sorry, but Sam Raimi has story issues [that] need to be resolved before we are ready to shoot.

Feel free to call me if you have any questions.

VFX Team"

At that point, it wasn’t well known that the Spider-Man franchise director who also is helming the 4th installment had huge problems with the script that has run through screenwriters Jamie Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross. I’m even told Sam Raimi had been very vocal inside Sony that he “hated” it. Now Raimi and Sony are anxiously waiting for still another version from screenwriter Alvin Sargent, who wrote Spidey 2 & 3 and is married to Spidey franchise producer Laura Ziskind. ”It is unlikely that May 11, 2011, date will be made,” a Sony insider just told me today. “It depends on how quickly the script can get in.” However, agents have told clients in the movie to already expect the film to be pushed back.

My sources say Sony still intends to release that summer, even if the new date is July 2011. But Spider-Man has always owned that coveted early May date. Even as far back as September 2008 when I reported my exclusive that Sony Locks In Sam Raimi & Tobey Maguire in ‘Spider-Man 4′. And now this is a giant opportunity for other studios planning their 2011 schedules to grab this big opening.

Spider-Man 4 was supposed to start filming in February, and star Tobey Maguire echoed that repeatedly in publicity appearances for Brothers. Then it pushed to March. Then late March/early April. And now there’s no date at all, according to my Sony insiders who emailed me: “Some decisions have been made over the holiday about Spider-Man 4. We will be extending the production hiatus on the film. The studio is firmly committed to this franchise but, for us, the script must come first. We intend to notify members of the crew immediately. As you know, Alvin Sargent is currently working on the screenplay. When we have more news, we will keep you posted.”

I do know that Sony Pictures co-chairman Amy Pascal and Columbia Pictures president Matt Tolmach, who have shepherded the Spider-Man franchise from Day One, has been wrestling with this script problem for months. “I’m going to do everything I can to make May,” she has repeatedly told Hollywood types involved with the movie. “But I’m not going to start a movie where the script isn’t right yet. Not unless I want my career to be over.”

Fortunately for Pascal, Sony is not yet “pay or play” on some of the talent negotiations which were still only at the tail end. Raimi is insisting that John Malkovich play the villain, so that won’t change. But I do hear that it’s now unlikely Anne Hathaway will be cast. ”I’m not so sure we’re going in that direction,” an insider told me recently. Sony had been hot for her until bigwigs realized she’d cost too much and they probably don’t need “such a big star” for the pic, I’m told.

As for those repeated rumors that Spider-Man 4 will and won’t shoot in 3D, I’ve got to figure that’s uppermost on Sony minds given the post-Avatar climate. Back in April, Sony Pictures’ co-chairmen Amy Pascal and Michael Lynton told Forbes magazine they were considering making the 4th Spider-Man in 3D. Here were the quotes: “Could be,” said Pascal. Lynton added: “People are paying a premium to see movies in 3-D and that’s a very big deal. It’s never been done before that someone says you have to pay more to see Spider-Man than a romantic comedy.” More as I get it…

Mike Fleming and Nikki Finke have just confirmed that Sony Pictures decided today to reboot the Spider-Man franchise after franchise director Sam Raimi pulled out of Spider-Man 4 because he felt he couldn’t make its summer release date and keep the film’s creative integrity. This means that Raimi and the cast including star Tobey Maguire are out. There will be no Spider-Man 4. Instead, Mike Fleming is told, the studio will focus on a Summer 2012 reboot from a script by Jamie Vanderbilt with a new director and a new cast. All this took place today at meeting on the lot today. An official Sony Pictures news release about it is expected out now.

Immediately, the news brought celebration and consternation equally to webslinger fanboys who say the reboot plot puts Peter Parker back in high school. There’s also much unconfirmed speculation that this new franchise will be in 3D. And the fans also recall that, in 1991, James Cameron wrote a treatment for Spider-Man and now they’re wondering if he might helm the reboot.

Here’s what went down: My sources tell me that Raimi told Sony Pictures: “I can’t make your date. I can’t go forward creatively.” And, so, once he said “That’s it”, Sony Pictures co-chairman Amy Pascal and Columbia Pictures’ Matt Tolmach decided they didn’t want to replace him and instead chose to reboot the franchise. Insiders also tell me that Tobey Maguire heard the news in a phone call with Amy today. I’m told Tobey wasn’t upset. “He’s made 3 great Spider-Man movies. He’s done really well. But he’s the kind of guy who, if Sam wanted to go forward, would have been there for Sam and the studio. Absolutely.”

Fortunately for the studio, Sony was not yet “pay or play” on some of the talent negotiations which were still only at the tail end. Raimi was insisting that John Malkovich play the villain, and the studio was looking to cast Anne Hathaway. “I’m not so sure we’re going in that direction,” an insider told me on January 5th. Sony had been hot for her until bigwigs realized she’d cost too much and they probably don’t need “such a big star” for the pic, I was told.

[...]

As for those repeated rumors that Spider-Man 4 might shoot in 3D, I’ve learned it would have added at least 6 months to the production schedule and “no one on the pic has any idea how to do that,” a source confided. You’ve got to figure 3D now is uppermost on Sony minds given the post-Avatar climate, and Summer 2012 is more than enough time to make the reboot with new technology.

[...]

Spider-Man 4 was supposed to start filming in February, which Tobey Maguire echoed repeatedly in publicity appearances for Brothers. Then it pushed to March. Then late March/early April. And by January 5th there was no date at all, according to my Sony insiders who emailed me: “Some decisions have been made over the holiday about Spider-Man 4. We will be extending the production hiatus on the film. The studio is firmly committed to this franchise but, for us, the script must come first. We intend to notify members of the crew immediately. As you know, Alvin Sargent is currently working on the screenplay. When we have more news, we will keep you posted.”

TL;DR: Raimi hated the screenplays Sony was churning out, Sony wanted to make the film as soon as possible, and Raimi and Maguire were fired. Interesting to note Sony's comment that nobody on the shoot has any idea how to do 3D. No wonder the 3D (and the script itself) in The Amazing Spider-Man was garbage.

superdeluxe
07-14-12, 05:53 PM
BoxOffice.com:

http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/7/19505585195.jpg

Deadline mentioned in their article that Sony believes Amazing Spider-Man will reach $800 million worldwide. I'd say that'll be good enough for a sequel.

wow. Awesome drops for Spider-man and Ted. Both very surprising.

superdeluxe
07-14-12, 05:54 PM
There are still 6 days left for one of the actors of TDKR to OD to help the box office.

.

Dragon Tattoo
07-14-12, 08:17 PM
Damn, already $200 Mil for Spider-man, and a low drop as well. Nice.

Mr. Cinema
07-15-12, 03:25 PM
Updated estimates from Boxoffice.com. Better hold for Spidey. The worldwide total now stands at an impressive $521 million.

http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/7/19607085298.jpg

Artman
07-15-12, 03:57 PM
TL;DR: Raimi hated the screenplays Sony was churning out, Sony wanted to make the film as soon as possible, and Raimi and Maguire were fired. Interesting to note Sony's comment that nobody on the shoot has any idea how to do 3D. No wonder the 3D (and the script itself) in The Amazing Spider-Man was garbage.

Sorry you didn't like the film, but I don't think the tantrums are really helping much here. Facts are facts, Sony was already moving forward with the sequel, and thanks to the positive momentum they have going now, it will likely make more. Spider-man 4 wasn't some special circumstance, studios pulled the plug on a number of high profile films in favor of lower risk projects.

whoopdido
07-15-12, 06:04 PM
Because Tom Rothman is a moron and he's been running Fox directly into the ground for the past few years. He probably passed on Ted as his thought process was than a hard R-rated comedy wouldn't sell to the masses.

Universal took a chance and it became the surprise hit of the summer. :thumbsup: to Universal and MacFarlane.

Spider-Man 3 cost $258 million to produce (before prints and advertising) and pulled in $900 million worldwide. The Amazing-Spider Man cost $230 million to produce (before prints and advertising) and looks to do significantly less. It's also going to drop hard when the Batman is released next weekend, possibly hurting its chance to make it to $800 million. So, tell me again why Raimi and Maguire got the boot?


Possibly. Warner is throwing it onto as many screens as possible.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hard R comedies usually don't do that well at the box office. You said yourself that Universal took a chance. It easily could have bombed royally. If Fox had taken the chance and it bombed then they would have looked stupid. Now they look stupid because they passed on a hit. Universal looks like a genius for taking a chance on the surprise hit of the summer. Hindsight is always 20/20.

PenguinJoe
07-15-12, 07:00 PM
I bet if Jonah Hill's The Sitter was released instead of Ice Age it would've done well.

Rypro 525
07-15-12, 07:59 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hard R comedies usually don't do that well at the box office. You said yourself that Universal took a chance. It easily could have bombed royally. If Fox had taken the chance and it bombed then they would have looked stupid. Now they look stupid because they passed on a hit. Universal looks like a genius for taking a chance on the surprise hit of the summer. Hindsight is always 20/20.

I'm sure if the reviews had been bad (think adam sandler movie bad) it probably would have bombed or at least not made more then 30 million dollars total

RichC2
07-15-12, 10:38 PM
R-rated comedies are usually a hit as they tend to have lower budgets due to to higher risk (unless they have huge stars attached) and they tend to pay off pretty well.

ie -
Wedding Crashers (July 15th 2005, $209m domestic) $40m budget
Knocked Up (June 1st, 2007, $149m domestic) $30m budget
The Hangover (June 5th 2009, $277m domestic) $35m budget
The Hangover 2 (May 26th, 2011, $254m domestic) $80m budget (they all got huge paychecks)
Bridesmaids (May 13th, 2011, $169m domestic) $32.5m budget
21 Jump Street (March 16th, 2012, $138.5m domestic) $42m budget
Ted (June 29th, 2012, $159m domestic so far) $50m budget
Borat (Nov 3, 2006, $129m domestic) $18m budget
Superbad (Aug 17th, 2007, $121m domestic) $20m budget
Horrible Bosses (July 8th, 2011, $117m domestic) $35m budget
Even Bad Teacher made over $100m. ($20m budget)

Plus they do well on DVD/Blu. Harold and Kumar only made $18m in theaters and spawned two sequels ($9m budget on #1, $12m on #2, $19m on #3)