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T-900
06-15-12, 06:17 AM
I have the Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition DVD which includes the THX optimizer which is a calibration program to adjust picture settings. Could I use that THX optimizer to adjust the picture of Blu-Ray movies on my 55" LED TV? Because right now I have it set on "Dynamic" (which is what the HD TV automatically sets to whenever I play a Blu-Ray) with all the picture settings set on 50 (which is exactly half way) expect Backlight, which is set on full on 100. So would that THX optimizer be helpful for HD Blu-Ray Calibration as well?

If not, could anyone recommend me a calibration setting?

I have a Hinsense 55" LED TV

The picture modes consist of:

User (which is custom made settings I made myself that I use for regular TV)

Dynamic (Which I currently use for Blu-Ray playback)

Bright

Standard

Soft

Color temptation is set to normal, digital noise reduction I set to low and the motion flow feature I turned off

trespoochies
06-15-12, 08:08 AM
Try an actual calibration disc like the Disney WOW, or Spears & Munsil High-Definition Benchmark. Something designed for full blu ray calibration. That one on the DVD was designed back in the DVD days, so it doesn't fully help with an HD setup.

orangerunner
06-15-12, 09:03 AM
A test pattern from a DVD will work and give you a ballpark setting but a better (& free) option is on any Sony Blu-ray disc.

Just pop in any Sony Blu-ray disc and when you come to the movie's menu press the numbers "7669" and then "Enter".

A series of four test patterns should pop-up including SMPTE bars.

This isn't "true" calibration but for the non-OCD viewer it works really well!

Josh Z
06-15-12, 02:22 PM
What can be said definitively is that the "Dynamic" mode with all levels at 50 is very, very bad.

Josh-da-man
06-15-12, 06:14 PM
You could also do a web search for calibration settings for your television.

Just google your tv make and model with the word "calibration." It's possible that someone has already done the work for you.

T-900
06-15-12, 10:29 PM
Thank you for the posts thus far guys, however talking about the THX optimizer, perhaps I could just rent the Terminator 2: Skynet Edition Blu-Ray which will include the HD version of the THX optimizer which like some have said, will be better for Blu-Ray.

However I need some kind of glasses for the tint and colour options, does anyone know where I can buy these glasses? And are they nice and cheap?

orangerunner
06-15-12, 11:09 PM
However I need some kind of glasses for the tint and colour options, does anyone know where I can buy these glasses? And are they nice and cheap?


Actually any piece of blue cellophane will do. I used the blue lens from an old pair of red/blue 3D glasses that I had.

orangerunner
06-15-12, 11:15 PM
Just google your tv make and model with the word "calibration." It's possible that someone has already done the work for you.

Sometimes you get quite a variation of settings when you do this.

For instance, if someone calibrates their TV in a really bright livingroom on a sunny day as opposed to someone calibrating their TV at night in a dark, windowless media room, you would get two different settings.

T-900
06-15-12, 11:28 PM
Actually any piece of blue cellophane will do. I used the blue lens from an old pair of red/blue 3D glasses that I had.

I just did some research in regards to the THX glasses and I've heard that it will come to a total of over $80 shipping included for the THX glasses!!! I am from Australia, so its a international sale, but over $80! Hell no I'm not spending that much for one set of THX glasses!

Are you sure that any random general piece of blue cellophane that you can buy elsewhere, will work effectively with the THX calibration? Because if what you say is true then I wouldn't think twice about it because its obviously much much less expensive. You used the example of using the blue lens from a pair of old blue/red 3D glasses, unfortunately I don't have a pair of old 3D glasses around. So once again, the alternative will be any random piece of blue cellophane to use for the option that requires it?

T-bone22
06-16-12, 12:14 AM
I just did some research in regards to the THX glasses and I've heard that it will come to a total of over $80 shipping included for the THX glasses!!! I am from Australia, so its a international sale, but over $80! Hell no I'm not spending that much for one set of THX glasses!

Are you sure that any random general piece of blue cellophane that you can buy elsewhere, will work effectively with the THX calibration? Because if what you say is true then I wouldn't think twice about it because its obviously much much less expensive. You used the example of using the blue lens from a pair of old blue/red 3D glasses, unfortunately I don't have a pair of old 3D glasses around. So once again, the alternative will be any random piece of blue cellophane to use for the option that requires it?

I don't know where you did your research, but they're $5.97 each w/international shipping from the THX website...

http://www.costore.com/thx/productenlarged.asp?peid=87&pid=2876001

T-900
06-16-12, 12:31 AM
I don't know where you did your research, but they're $5.97 each w/international shipping from the THX website...

http://www.costore.com/thx/productenlarged.asp?peid=87&pid=2876001

Yes I'm aware about what the website listing states, however in regards to the initial research I did, this is what I am taking about. A fellow Australian said it ended costing over $80 with the shipping.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1655644

While the text on the THX store suggests $5-$10 international shipping, proceeding through the checkout process does indeed present you with a UPS wordwide expedited shipping cost of $87. There is no other option for shipping.

:(

orangerunner
06-16-12, 02:25 AM
You used the example of using the blue lens from a pair of old blue/red 3D glasses, unfortunately I don't have a pair of old 3D glasses around. So once again, the alternative will be any random piece of blue cellophane to use for the option that requires it?

I don't think it's really that critical if it's official THX brand. They may say otherwise.

When you hold the blue cellophane or gel to your eyes and you can still see red, green and yellow, it means the blue cellophane or gel is too light. Fold the piece over or double it up until all you see is blue and black.

It should suffice and it's much cheaper than $80!

RocShemp
06-16-12, 02:49 AM
Why not get this disc (http://www.amazon.com/Disney-WOW-World-Wonder-Blu-ray/dp/B0045ASBLG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339829322&sr=8-1&keywords=disney+wow)? It includes the blue color filter.

T-900
06-16-12, 03:01 AM
I don't think it's really that critical if it's official THX brand. They may say otherwise.

When you hold the blue cellophane or gel to your eyes and you can still see red, green and yellow, it means the blue cellophane or gel is too light. Fold the piece over or double it up until all you see is blue and black.

It should suffice and it's much cheaper than $80!

Thank you orangerunner. I will buy some blue cellophane very soon and see if it works with the tint/colour setting on the THX optimizer. I will report back here if it was successful or bust.

T-900
06-17-12, 04:11 AM
I don't think it's really that critical if it's official THX brand. They may say otherwise.

When you hold the blue cellophane or gel to your eyes and you can still see red, green and yellow, it means the blue cellophane or gel is too light. Fold the piece over or double it up until all you see is blue and black.

I'm having a problem with the colour/tint option. Without the blue cellophane I see the obvious blacks in between, blue, white, a light red and a light blue (with the light red part in the pattern overlapping the white thus to form the light blue.) [

With the cellophane over my eyes I am seeing the obvious blacks, the whites and the light blues. I also don't have a colour or hue/tint adjustment in my picture settings for the TV I am using (This is for a different TV, not the main TV that I was talking about previously which does have colour, hue and tint options, unlike this one) However I would have liked to calibrate this TV as well because it suffers of bascially the same problems, the only thing is that this smaller HD TV is used for DVD only and not blu-ray.

Anyway for this TV the picture settings consist of: brightness, contrast, saturation and sharpness.

Would maybe adjusting the saturation setting help since the TV lacks a colour and hue/tint setting?

Also the sharpness on this TV only goes up to 7 max. Since that's so low anyway, what number would u recommend sharpness levels on?

thanks for your tme

AnonomusBob15
06-17-12, 04:21 AM
I had a certain forum member's mother calibrate my disc. I'm not telling either, but i'll upload videos if interest is shown.


edit: Mom jokes aren't spam, this I know.

TheBigDave
06-17-12, 04:43 AM
Just google your tv make and model with the word "calibration." It's possible that someone has already done the work for you.

+1

I bought both the Disney WOW and DVE HD Basics blu-rays. The Disney one was much better and gave me a really good looking picture. It also made it really easy to understand how all the different settings work.

But in the end, I tried out a bunch of different calibration settings that were recommended on AV forums. And I ended up finding one that looks perfect.

T-900
06-17-12, 05:24 AM
You could also do a web search for calibration settings for your television.

Just google your tv make and model with the word "calibration." It's possible that someone has already done the work for you.

I have a Hisense 55" HL55T36PZL in the T36 Series. I have not found a pre set calibration on the internet as far as I can see.

http://www.hisense.com.au/products/television/detailed/type/38/209

Note: Those are the details of my main central TV that I have the Blu-Ray picture quality problems with.

orangerunner
06-17-12, 01:26 PM
I'm having a problem with the colour/tint option. Without the blue cellophane I see the obvious blacks in between, blue, white, a light red and a light blue (with the light red part in the pattern overlapping the white thus to form the light blue.) [

With the cellophane over my eyes I am seeing the obvious blacks, the whites and the light blues. I also don't have a colour or hue/tint adjustment in my picture settings for the TV I am using (This is for a different TV, not the main TV that I was talking about previously which does have colour, hue and tint options, unlike this one) However I would have liked to calibrate this TV as well because it suffers of bascially the same problems, the only thing is that this smaller HD TV is used for DVD only and not blu-ray.

Anyway for this TV the picture settings consist of: brightness, contrast, saturation and sharpness.

Would maybe adjusting the saturation setting help since the TV lacks a colour and hue/tint setting?

Also the sharpness on this TV only goes up to 7 max. Since that's so low anyway, what number would u recommend sharpness levels on?

thanks for your time

In general, consumer TVs label things a little different than broadcast monitors.

Brightness = black level
Contrast = white level
Tint = hue
Color = chroma

Here some info on how to calibrate using the SMPTE bars that explains it really well.

http://www.videouniversity.com/articles/color-bars-and-how-to-use-em/


Here's another link that helps explain the Sony Blu-ray patterns found on any Sony Blu-ray disc.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/858065/sony-blu-ray-7669-secret-test-patterns

K&AJones
06-17-12, 02:30 PM
I'm not sure who makes that brand but you can start here....

http://www.avsforum.com/f/166/lcd-flat-panel-displays

...for help, questions and calibration settings. Even though it says "LCD Panel Forum", it's for LED's also. Many pro-calibraters hang out there and post their settings. We have a plasma and I've done exactly that and the picture is outstanding on our Panasonic.

T-900
06-18-12, 06:50 AM
In general, consumer TVs label things a little different than broadcast monitors.

Brightness = black level
Contrast = white level
Tint = hue
Color = chroma

Here some info on how to calibrate using the SMPTE bars that explains it really well.

http://www.videouniversity.com/articles/color-bars-and-how-to-use-em/


Here's another link that helps explain the Sony Blu-ray patterns found on any Sony Blu-ray disc.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/858065/sony-blu-ray-7669-secret-test-patterns

Thank you for the links. Although just on 2nd link, I own a couple of Sony Blu-Ray discs and tried to activate the test patterns that you specified were on the actual blu-ray menus of the selected discs. Whenever I tried pressing "7669" then following it up by hitting "enter" it would simply just play the movie because the curser is hovered around 'play' anyway. The 2 movies I attempted were: Last Action Hero & District 9. I suppose it doesn't matter to much since just today I rented the Terminator 2 Skynet Edition for the HD version of the THX optimizer, but was just curious as to why it didn't work.

Also, just another thing. In terms of backlight for Blu-Ray on my 55" HD TV, what do you think is a decent setting to have the backlight on? Because its on full blast at the moment whenever I play Blu-Rays which I know isn't good, but what setting in general should the backlight be set to?

JTH182
06-18-12, 04:30 PM
The lower the better, but I have mine set about one or two higher than what the guys at AVS recommend.

personally, it all comes down to personal preference. I can't stand the way my set looks at "industry standard" but try to use those settings as a reference point.

your TV should make YOU happy when watching it, not some calibrator.

I know that is blasphemy to some.

Josh-da-man
06-18-12, 11:00 PM
The backlight is more a matter of personal preference and ambient viewing conditions.

I keep mine set at four or five, I think, of sixteen available levels (1=lowest, 16=brightest). It's a good medium where whites look white without being too bright and gives a decent film-like appearance.

orangerunner
06-18-12, 11:43 PM
Thank you for the links. Although just on 2nd link, I own a couple of Sony Blu-Ray discs and tried to activate the test patterns that you specified were on the actual blu-ray menus of the selected discs. Whenever I tried pressing "7669" then following it up by hitting "enter" it would simply just play the movie because the curser is hovered around 'play' anyway. The 2 movies I attempted were: Last Action Hero & District 9.

I'm not sure why it wouldn't work. I assume it is on all Sony Blu-rays but I could be wrong. I tried it on Lakeview Terrace and Spiderman 3.

Some machines just require the 7669 on the menu and other machines may require pressing the enter button after.

Drexl
06-18-12, 11:45 PM
I don't know about the Disney disc, but if you have the ability to use them, I like the AVS tests available to download here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration However, these require either burning a disc or using a HTPC to play the tests.

The black and white level tests are the best I've seen, as they show you exactly what levels are going through by flashing every value near each end.

RocShemp
06-19-12, 08:36 AM
I don't know about the Disney disc, but if you have the ability to use them, I like the AVS tests available to download here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration However, these require either burning a disc or using a HTPC to play the tests.

The black and white level tests are the best I've seen, as they show you exactly what levels are going through by flashing every value near each end.

Yeah, I use the AVS 709 patterns a lot. :up: However, he needs a blue gel for color correction and the Disney disc includes one and has some pretty solid test patterns as well.

T-900
06-20-12, 05:42 AM
Hey guys. So despite the trouble with the colour/tint option, I was able to calibrate the HD TV with the THX Optimizer on the Terminator 2 Skynet Edition Blu-Ray and overall it looks much better in parts. The black levels are so much deeper, the whites are no longer over blown, and the digital noise in the background has been drastically reduced. The picture quality doesn't quite pop off the screen as much as it did with the previous settings I was using with all the options set on 50 and the backlight running at full blast at 100, but it now at least looks more like actual film then it did before and that alone makes it better for me. Keep in mind ever since the new calibration has been set I've only ever tested T2 itself via the skynet edition and I know the movie transfer isn't great, but it does provide an obvious difference between the previous picture settings I was using, and the current picture settings I am using. I was initially having a problem with colour as scenes near the end for example weren't proving that orange tint reflection from all the lava, but now it seems fixed as I increased the coulor option a bit.

Disc-Flipper
06-21-12, 01:23 PM
I picked up the Disney World of Wonder disc and calibrated my TV with its in-depth tests. The beginner tests got me most of the way there, but the advanced tests really let me fine-tune everything. Make sure to write down all the TV settings somewhere for future reference. Complicating things is my TV viewing area has big windows without curtains so I need different settings for daytime and nighttime viewing. My LG TV has a lame popup window which covers some essential portions of the test pattern when trying to adjust some of the settings. I'm not sure how to adjust the audio-video sync on my wireless headphones, which seem to be audio delayed slightly, unlike my TV speakers. Too bad Disney (which is big on 3D) did not put any 3D calibration tests on their WOW disc. Disney should've included more sample movies, rather than different clips from the same movies. I feel as if I spent too much on the WOW disc - the Sony 7669 test patterns offer enough to set up a TV if you can find a thick blue piece of cellophane for looking at the color bars.