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sherm42
06-06-12, 11:32 PM
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Can't. Fucking. Wait.

SubZeri
06-07-12, 07:47 AM
I am totally pumped up for some new Muse!

My only issue is this...why are so many established acts jumping on the dubstep bandwagon NOW? The time for that was a decade ago, not now.

For a band that likes to position themselves as so forward thinking, it's kind of a step back to anyone other than the people who think that dubstep is something new instead of realizing that it was played-out more than 5 years ago.

Osiris3657
06-07-12, 07:49 AM
Nice. The Resistance was a big letdown after the amazing "Black Holes & Revelations"

auto
06-07-12, 08:40 AM
Nice. The Resistance was a big letdown after the amazing "Black Holes & Revelations"

Agreed. Hope this is a return to form.

cdollaz
06-07-12, 08:51 AM
Another hope for a return to form. The Resistance had a few good tracks, but quite a few lesser ones as well. It did have United States of Eurasia, which may be my favorite Muse song of all.

bunkaroo
06-07-12, 09:57 AM
Can't wait for this one either. I actually like The Resistance quite a bit. I had never really listened to them much although I owned their earlier works. It was pretty much "Uprising" that drew me in. Now that I've completely saturated myself with all their stuff, it's obvious Absolution is their best work, but I still like everything they've done.

I wonder what the chances are this trailer is simply intro music for the album or a red herring? I can't see them doing a whole record like this.

auto
06-07-12, 10:04 AM
Sounds like an intro if I ever heard one.

superfro
06-07-12, 10:15 AM
My only issue is this...why are so many established acts jumping on the dubstep bandwagon NOW? The time for that was a decade ago, not now.

For a band that likes to position themselves as so forward thinking, it's kind of a step back to anyone other than the people who think that dubstep is something new instead of realizing that it was played-out more than 5 years ago.

Did you hear the epic arrangement it was proceeded by? It only made up 30 seconds of the clip and honestly not that far off from the jam stuff they end up doing live. Also, when has Muse even done an album where everything sounded the same? I don't think the "dupstep album" worries are too warranted as of yet.

I can't fucking wait. Hope they hit the states for a tour in the Spring or something. Imma follow them around like an 18 year old groupie.

bunkaroo
06-07-12, 10:23 AM
I'm hoping the tour comes around while it would still call for indoor venues. I hate the sound at whatever they call the venue in Tinley Park now.

Labor
06-07-12, 01:49 PM
lol. Dubstep courtesy of the guitar and what I assume is Matt's Kaos Pad. I love that, its like he did it for no other reason than to do it haha

Mordred
06-07-12, 06:02 PM
Ohhhh... excited to hear about this one. The Resistance wasn't perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot and I have faith that this one'll be good too.

Giles
06-07-12, 06:56 PM
I listened to 'The Resistance' at least twice, it never impressed me, huge hopes for the new album.

candyrocket786
06-08-12, 02:01 PM
I can't fucking wait. Hope they hit the states for a tour in the Spring or something. Imma follow them around like an 18 year old groupie.

This :up:

Michael Corvin
06-08-12, 10:21 PM
You guys are nuts. The Resistance was fantastic, beginning to end.

Dan1boy
06-09-12, 12:29 PM
If "The Resistance was fantastic, you've probably never heard the "Absolution" album....

auto
06-09-12, 12:53 PM
...or any of their others.

bunkaroo
06-09-12, 02:11 PM
Oh come on it's not that bad. I'll take Resistance over Showbiz or OoS any day.

I haven't been listening to them since their beginning or even the Absolution era, so can those who were seriously explain what is so bad about Resistance?

Labor
06-09-12, 07:26 PM
Ive been a fan of Muse since Showbiz in 1999...

Resistance absolutely trashes Absolution as an album

JAA
06-10-12, 07:32 AM
Resistance absolutely trashes Absolution as an album

I like The Resistance too, but that may be pushing it to too far. :D

Daytripper
06-12-12, 01:36 PM
I like The Resistance too, but that may be pushing it to too far. :D

May!?

bunkaroo
06-12-12, 02:12 PM
I actually think Absolution would be a stronger record if it ended after "Butterflies & Hurricanes". The last four tracks almost seem like "extra tracks" to me, as none of them are nearly as strong as the preceding tracks. The flow from the intro to B&H is probably the most consistently great stretch on any Muse album though.

Labor
06-27-12, 02:06 PM
2012 Olympics theme "Survival"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt__jKWoYH8

Strings, falsettos, riffage and solos, over the top backing vocals, "we will survive!" type lyrics

JAA
06-28-12, 06:28 AM
. . . Strings, falsettos, riffage and solos, over the top backing vocals, "we will survive!" type lyrics

Awesome Muse summary! :lol:

Michael Corvin
06-28-12, 02:02 PM
Well that was underwhelming. Liked the intro and the solo but not much else.

Jack Straw
06-30-12, 05:16 PM
"Absolution" is pretty much perfection start to finish. Next two studio releases have been pale by comparison and attempts to go commercial that failed. Not that optimistic that the new one will not continue that trend.

Osiris3657
09-16-12, 09:33 PM
This comes out Oct 2nd officially.

3 songs from the album have been released so far.

Madness- This song sucks
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Survival- Also bad
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The 2nd Law: Unsustainable- This song is at least interesting, but I wouldn't say it's good. Certainly better than the other two.
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Hate to say it as I'm a fan of Muse, but it looks like they peaked with Black Holes and Revelations

bunkaroo
09-16-12, 11:41 PM
I have a feeling I'll grow into it. Not thrilled about the dub step crap though.

Gotta give them points for at least trying something different instead of releasing an album called More Black Holes and Even More Revelations.

Giles
09-17-12, 09:42 PM
I have a feeling I'll grow into it. Not thrilled about the dub step crap though.

Gotta give them points for at least trying something different instead of releasing an album called More Black Holes and Even More Revelations.

that I'd buy at a heartbeat, the new songs are underwhelming to say the least.

bunkaroo
09-17-12, 10:14 PM
I find that interesting considering a band like Muse made some great records in the past because they were pushing envelopes and experimenting. You really can't expect a band like that to just start phoning it in. Some experiments will be failures on various levels, but I still think it's good they're trying to reinvent themselves every record.

Osiris3657
09-17-12, 10:57 PM
you can make an argument either way. Why fix what's not broken?

Anyway what they did on The Resistance and now apparently The 2nd Law is not working. That doesn't mean I want them to go back to something they did before, but again, IMO this isn't good. This is another step in the wrong direction.

cdollaz
09-18-12, 08:16 AM
I'll wait to hear the whole thing before giving an opinion, but the stuff above really tempers my expectations for this one. Bummer.

Tenacious D
09-18-12, 10:06 AM
Madness reminds me of Queen. I could definitely see them playing that song during the '80s or even in the early '90s.

superfro
09-18-12, 10:55 AM
Madness reminds me of Queen. I could definitely see them playing that song during the '80s or even in the early '90s.

As did quite a bit of the last album IMO. Disliked it a lot a first for the most part, but it grew on me a lot.

bunkaroo
09-18-12, 12:01 PM
you can make an argument either way. Why fix what's not broken?


Well that's basically the difference between musicians who do it primarily for the love of music and those who do it primarily for the paycheck I think. Why didn't da Vinci just paint the Mona Lisa over and over and over again?

My guess is Muse are quite comfortable where they're at and decided to use the opportunity to do something different again.

That said, I'm not crazy about what I've heard so far either, but I am still open to liking it. Of course I'm also one of those nutjobs who liked The Resistance. :shrug:

Rypro 525
09-25-12, 12:06 AM
Album is streaming on itunes for free.

Canis Firebrand
09-25-12, 08:11 AM
Well that's basically the difference between musicians who do it primarily for the love of music and those who do it primarily for the paycheck I think. Why didn't da Vinci just paint the Mona Lisa over and over and over again?

My guess is Muse are quite comfortable where they're at and decided to use the opportunity to do something different again.

That said, I'm not crazy about what I've heard so far either, but I am still open to liking it. Of course I'm also one of those nutjobs who liked The Resistance. :shrug:

It's always interesting watching these threads when an artist releases a new album. If they do something different, you have fans stating "why did they have to change their sound? make the same music you've been making and make me happy." And then if they were to release a new album that sounds like every other album they released you'd have other people saying "make something different. Every album sounds the same."

It's like bands/artists can't win at times. They are damned if they do something different and damned if they don't.

I'll wait until I can hear the whole album. I generally liked Resistance and the new songs aren't that bad. Different, but the will likely grow on me.

Rypro 525
09-25-12, 01:54 PM
Personally i loved the album. with standouts being Supremacy, Panic Station, Follow Me, Big Freeze & Liquid State.
Save Me and Liquid State have lead vocals by Chris Wolstenholme

cungar
09-25-12, 02:43 PM
I

It's like bands/artists can't win at times. They are damned if they do something different and damned if they don't.



Without commenting on the new Muse album (I haven't heard it), sometimes it depends on whether what they do is good. U2 and Radiohead definitely gained a lot of respect and commercial success by changing their sound.

superfro
09-25-12, 04:03 PM
Personally i loved the album. with standouts being Supremacy, Panic Station, Follow Me, Big Freeze & Liquid State.
Save Me and Liquid State have lead vocals by Chris Wolstenholme

Supremacy and Panic Station are fantastic. Liquid State sounds like a Foo Fighters song. The rest of the album leaves me cold thus far.

Supremacy sounds like a Bond theme. In fact I theorize it was made in case they got asked and then they weren't. :lol:

Matthew Chmiel
09-25-12, 04:59 PM
This album is a piece of shit. The Muse that brought us Origin of Symmetry and Absolution clearly don't exist anymore.

The moment that I wanted to shut off the album was listening to Big Freeze because it sounded like Matt Belamy raping Michael Hutchence's corpse.

Osiris3657
09-25-12, 07:22 PM
Supremacy sounds like a Bond theme. In fact I theorize it was made in case they got asked and then they weren't. :lol:

It really does sound like it could be a Bond theme. I suspect your theory is right.

Anyway I'm not liking what I'm hearing. This is really disappointing. At least I have Black Holes & Revelations, Absolution, Origin of Symmetry, and Showbiz to listen to (didn't care for The Resistance).

bunkaroo
09-26-12, 10:54 AM
It really does sound like it could be a Bond theme. I suspect your theory is right.


Just listening to it now. Oh my god - there's no way this wasn't intended for Bond or to be a very thinly veiled homage to Bond. It even has one of the common Bond dramatic themes in there in the lower key parts. Wow. Not a very good track to lead off the album with IMO. Sounds like bonus track material.

There are news articles popping up all over stating Muse want it to be the next Bond song so I guess they are still campaigning for it to be used.

superfro
09-26-12, 01:08 PM
Just listening to it now. Oh my god - there's no way this wasn't intended for Bond or to be a very thinly veiled homage to Bond. It even has one of the common Bond dramatic themes in there in the lower key parts. Wow.

Even down to the string twang at the end of the track! :lol:

bunkaroo
09-26-12, 01:58 PM
Ok just about done with the first listen.

GASP - I like it!

It's going to be a grower, but some stuff I liked right away. I really like "Save Me".

I'll have more thoughts as I listen to it more, but so far it's enjoyable for me so that's a plus.

cungar
09-26-12, 02:15 PM
Muse want new track 'Supremacy' to be James Bond 'Skyfall' theme
Drummer Dom Howard reckons song from 'The 2nd Law' has a 'Bond vibe'

Muse drummer Dom Howard has declared that their new track 'Supremacy' should be used as the theme for the next James Bond film Skyfall.

After much speculation, it was confirmed earlier this month (September 17) that Adele would be providing the official song for the next 007 flick but, in an interview with the BBC, Howard suggested that their cut from forthcoming new album 'The 2nd Law' would make an equally appropriate Bond anthem.

Discussing the song, he said:

It's got a little whisper to the Bond vibe – it all goes a bit crazy 'Live And Let Die' in the middle. My view is they should use it for the next James Bond film, but I don't know what's going on with that. I heard Adele was doing it.

Speaking about 'The 2nd Law', meanwhile, the drummer said: "We wanted to give every track its own character and touch on new ideas and break a little bit of new musical ground for the band as well,"

The 2nd Law' is released on October 1 in the UK and October 2 in the US. It includes new singles 'Madness' and 'Survival' as well as dubstep-influenced track 'The 2nd Law: Unsustainable'. The 13-track album is the follow-up to 2009's 'The Resistance' and has been recorded in London.

The Devon trio will also tour the UK in October, playing five shows. The gigs begin at Glasgow's SECC on October 24, before the band move onto London's O2 Arena for two shows on October 26 and 27. They then play Birmingham LG Arena on October 30 before finishing up at Manchester Arena on November 1.

The band will also play the iTunes Festival this month, headlining London's Roundhouse on September 30.

bunkaroo
09-26-12, 02:35 PM
I just hope they come to the US before the summer. Would much rather see them at an indoor venue like Allstate Arena or United Center than the crappy outdoor venues around here.

superfro
09-26-12, 03:04 PM
I just hope they come to the US before the summer. Would much rather see them at an indoor venue like Allstate Arena or United Center than the crappy outdoor venues around here.

Seconded.

cdollaz
10-03-12, 07:25 AM
I've been thru it a couple of times and it is really disappointing. Survival is the only great song on it. Liquid State would be up there as well if it wasn't sung by the other guy. His voice isn't bad, just not remarkable in any way. Animals is also pretty good. Besides those 3, the rest range from listenable to shit. Panic Station is just fucking awful and the worst thing I think they have ever put on an album. Follow Me isn't far behind.

superfro
10-03-12, 09:28 AM
Panic Station is just fucking awful and the worst thing I think they have ever put on an album. Follow Me isn't far behind.

:lol: To each their own I guess. I still find Supremacy and Panic Station to be the few shining moments in a sea of boring.

bunkaroo
10-03-12, 11:08 AM
I've heard it about 4 or 5 times now. Seems like it takes a step down in the middle. Supremacy is good when I can look past it being a faux-Bond theme. I really like Madness and I love Panic Station, especially the bass part. Great tone and authority to that.

From there Survival is just OK, and I'm not finding Follow Me, Animals or Explorers very memorable. Big Freeze is decent. I do love Save Me. Agreed Liquid State could have been better with Matt's vocals. The 2nd Law stuff is fine with me especially since it's not being showcased earlier in the album.

I'm going to do the obligatory ranking thing now:

Absolution
BH&R
Resistance
2nd Law
Showbiz
OoS

Yes I like 2nd Law better than the first two records - those haven't really grabbed me as much as the later stuff.

Rocketdog2000
10-03-12, 11:39 AM
I've only scanned through the album so far, and all I'll say at this point is it's certainly...different.

I recall being disappointed with The Resistance after I first got it, too. In fact, I've barely even listened to since it came out. However, giving it a spin last week in anticipation of the new album, I've now decided I don't know what I was thinking back then. It's a much better record than I initially gave it credit for.

Guess we'll have to see if it's the same for this one, too.

bunkaroo
10-03-12, 11:46 AM
The Resistance feels more focused in its attempt to try new stuff compared to 2nd Law.

I'll enjoy 2nd Law more as it becomes etched in memory, but I'd like to see a focused, sharp rock record their next time out.

Dan1boy
10-03-12, 12:29 PM
^^

Completely agree with bunkaroo....

Daytripper
10-03-12, 12:37 PM
I've been thru it a couple of times and it is really disappointing. Survival is the only great song on it. Liquid State would be up there as well if it wasn't sung by the other guy. His voice isn't bad, just not remarkable in any way. Animals is also pretty good. Besides those 3, the rest range from listenable to shit. Panic Station is just fucking awful and the worst thing I think they have ever put on an album. Follow Me isn't far behind.

Agree with you about "Panic Station". What the fuck!?? Worst...Muse.....song......EVER!

superfro
10-03-12, 01:49 PM
At least we can all agree that Kate Hudson is to blame right?

Quake1028
10-03-12, 03:28 PM
I....don't like this.

cungar
10-03-12, 03:30 PM
At least we can all agree that Kate Hudson is to blame right?

If you were banging her, would you care about writing music?

Giles
10-03-12, 03:40 PM
This album is a piece of shit. The Muse that brought us Origin of Symmetry and Absolution clearly don't exist anymore.

The moment that I wanted to shut off the album was listening to Big Freeze because it sounded like Matt Belamy raping Michael Hutchence's corpse.

oh what terrible imagery I now have in my head.

slop101
10-03-12, 04:40 PM
I love Pitchfork (http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17281-the-2nd-law/).

For about 45 seconds of "Supremacy", they actually sound like a real band, immediately after which hushed military snare rolls, chesty timpanis, and anticipatory string wells lead you to believe Matt Bellamy has unwittingly sauntered into a Michael Bay movie or Metallica's symphonic tragicomedy S&M. And titans shall clash as Bellamy speaks with the conviction of a man who is either going to tell us they'll never take our freedom or to release the kraken. With dramatic flair, he intones "your true emancipation is a fantasy," which... OK. But "the time..." Go on. "...it has come," that "it," perfect. "To destrooooyyyyyy..." Destroy what? Make sure you put your drink down as Bellamy screams "YOUR SUPREMACYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!" because all of a sudden having The 2nd Law only in audio form feels pathetically inadequate-- next time you will place it against footage from Starship Troopers, although the closest visual equivalent to this batshit moment is a dinosaur with a cowboy hat manning a F-15 and blowing evil aliens to bits while scoring the game-winning touchdown in the Super Bowl. That's not even the most ludicrous part-- wait until that bit of spy guitar comes in at the end, bearing no melodic resemblance to what just transpired and inferring Muse believes they've made their James Bond theme. No, really.

auto
10-03-12, 08:15 PM
I love how we can't even agree on what songs to hate. :lol:

My expectations were so low I kind of enjoyed it on first listen in an over the top ridiculous way. I'm completely okay with the fact that the band I loved for a few albums is long gone and never coming back.

That being said, the lyrics in Survival are fucking terrible. Just awful.


Race, life’s a race
And I am gonna win
Yes, I am gonna win

And I’ll light the fuse
And I’ll never lose
And I choose to survive
Whatever it takes
You won’t pull ahead
I’ll keep up the pace
And I’ll reveal my strength
To the whole human race
Yes I am prepared
To stay alive
I won’t forgive, the vengeance is mine
And I won’t give in
Because I choose to thrive

I’m gonna win

Race, it’s a race
But I’m gonna win
Yes I’m gonna win
And will light the fuse
I’ll never lose
And I choose to survive
Whatever it takes
You won’t ṗull ahead
I’ll keep up the pace
And I’ll reveal my strength
To the whole human race
Yes I’m gonna win

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
Win! Win! Win! Win!

Yes I’m gonna win

Win!

Deftones
10-03-12, 09:40 PM
so this isn't good, huh? i just downloaded it from amazon. i like madness.

bunkaroo
10-03-12, 11:18 PM
Thinking more about Supremacy and Survival, it just seems like there's too much stuff on this record that's there for the sake of being there. I didn't care for Survival when I heard it for the Olympics but I figured since they wrote it for the Olympics it was a one off thing. Nope - it shows up on the album, and early on too.

I get they wanted to do the Bond theme, but Supremacy at best should be an extra track, and certainly not the opener of the album.

Then you have Chris' two personal songs. I like Save Me but I think it was a mistake to give him two lead vocals and stack them back to back. You go from those two to the 2nd Law pieces which are largely instrumental. Basically gives the casual listener no real reason to stick around after the 8th or 9th track.

It just makes me feel like they through whatever they had laying around on the record rather than having a plan.

In general I think the album is poorly laid out and has no flow or direction. I still like pieces of it though.

sherm42
10-04-12, 01:07 PM
I'm going to go against the grain here. I love the random nature of this album. It's all over the place, and no two songs really sound the same for the most part. It's not perfect, but I am really enjoying this album upon multiple listens.

Daytripper
10-04-12, 11:11 PM
If you were banging her, would you care about writing music?

No, I'd care more about what STD I'd be catching. She has fucked more guys than she has had hot meals.

sherm42
10-04-12, 11:31 PM
You know, I heard it was neck and neck for a while, then she skipped lunch.

Dan1boy
10-05-12, 11:53 AM
No, I'd care more about what STD I'd be catching. She has fucked more guys than she has had hot meals.


LOL !!! Best post I've read all week here.

Funny thing? It's (probably) true.

...and she's got no boobs

Deftones
10-05-12, 06:32 PM
I've listened to it twice. Yeah, not good. Only a few good songs.

Giles
10-09-12, 10:14 PM
here are the 2013 North America tour dates:

01/21 – San Diego, CA @ Valley View Casino
01/23 – Los Angeles, CA @ Staples Center
01/28 – Oakland, CA @ Oracle Arena
02/03 – Edmonton, AB @ Rexall
02/04 – Calgary, AB @ Scotiabank Saddledome
02/06 – Vancouver, BC @ Rogers Arena
02/22 – Ft. Lauderdale, FL @ Tampa Bay Times Forum
02/25 – Orlando, FL @ Amway Center
02/28 – Cleveland, OH @ Quicken Loans Arena
03/02 – Detroit, MI @ Joe Louis Arena
03/04 – Chicago, IL @ United Center
03/07 – Minneapolis, MN @ Target Center
03/08 – St. Louis, MO @ Chaifetz Arena
03/10 – Tulsa, OK @ BOK Center
04/09 – Toronto, ON @ Air Canada Center
04/12 – Boston, MA @ TD Garden
04/15 – New York, NY @ Madison Square Garden
04/19 – E. Rutherford, NJ @ IZOD Center
04/23 – Montreal, QC @ Belle Centre
04/26 – Quebec City, QC @ Colisee Pepsi

what no concert for us Washingtonians ??? :mad:

superfro
10-10-12, 12:18 AM
here are the 2013 North America tour dates:

01/21 San Diego, CA @ Valley View Casino
01/23 Los Angeles, CA @ Staples Center
01/28 Oakland, CA @ Oracle Arena
02/03 Edmonton, AB @ Rexall
02/04 Calgary, AB @ Scotiabank Saddledome
02/06 Vancouver, BC @ Rogers Arena
02/22 Ft. Lauderdale, FL @ Tampa Bay Times Forum
02/25 Orlando, FL @ Amway Center
02/28 Cleveland, OH @ Quicken Loans Arena
03/02 Detroit, MI @ Joe Louis Arena
03/04 Chicago, IL @ United Center
03/07 Minneapolis, MN @ Target Center
03/08 St. Louis, MO @ Chaifetz Arena
03/10 Tulsa, OK @ BOK Center
04/09 Toronto, ON @ Air Canada Center
04/12 Boston, MA @ TD Garden
04/15 New York, NY @ Madison Square Garden
04/19 E. Rutherford, NJ @ IZOD Center
04/23 Montreal, QC @ Belle Centre
04/26 Quebec City, QC @ Colisee Pepsi

what no concert for us Washingtonians ??? :mad:

I don't think they're done. Huge gap from March 10 - April 9 and they've been adding a handful a few times over the last few weeks. I'm betting we see some more.

Grabbed tix for St Louis today and going for Chicago tomorrow.

Jippy
10-10-12, 01:03 AM
Got my tix for Los Angeles earlier this morning. Missed out on GA Floor, but nabbed some excellent lower-level seats instead. No backaches, yea! Getting old sucks...

bunkaroo
10-10-12, 08:00 AM
Sweet - at the UC in Chicago!

Giles
10-10-12, 10:38 AM
as much as it's a pain to get out to the Patriot Center - I hope they do it like the last show, where the area in front of the stage is general admission and not seated.

Daytripper
10-10-12, 11:25 AM
as much as it's a pain to get out to the Patriot Center - I hope they do it like the last show, where the area in front of the stage is general admission and not seated.

Muse could easily sell out the Verizon Center.