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mhg83
06-03-12, 08:23 AM
The purpose of this thread is to go through and discuss the Films Ridley Scott has directed. I was looking at his IMDB Filmography and there are a lot that I have missed.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000631/

So for each film we'll take a look at and discuss for a few days before moving on to the next movie.
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/mhg83/duellistsfinal.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/

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I had no idea this was Ridley Scott's first film. I always thought Alien was his first. I just finished watching it this morning and liked it a lot. Harvey Keitel and Keith Carradine put out great performances especially the ending.
The Duel scenes were well choreographed and i noticed how in the first two duels were intense but as the years go by you can tell the characters don't have it in them anymore and seem to realize in the end how pointless it has become.
For a first time Director Ridley did a great and job and can see why 20th century Fox hired him for Alien.

Dr. DVD
06-03-12, 09:03 AM
Never seen The Duellists. Probably one of the three Ridley Scott movies I haven't seen in its entirety, the other two being Thelma&Louise and Someone to Watch Over Me.

auto
06-03-12, 10:41 AM
Same here, never saw The Duellists. Look forward to this thread though. Good idea.

thelwig14
06-03-12, 10:49 AM
Really wish A Good Year was on blu.

Nick Danger
06-03-12, 11:02 AM
A college friend told me in 1981 that The Duellists was fantastic, but I never got around to seeing it.

Solid Snake
06-03-12, 11:19 AM
A college friend told me in 1981 that The Duellists was fantastic, but I never got around to seeing it.

Things worth noting:

1.) 1981, was 31 years ago...
2.) STILL haven't seen it? Damn.
4.) We really need this film on BD.
3.) I wasn't born yet in 1981...until 1986.


on topic: For the LONGEST time, I thought Alien was his debut film...surprised and made more sense that it wasn't.

This is like the Ridley Scott version of my Bronsonathon. I approve of it.

Jules Winfield
06-03-12, 11:55 AM
Haven't seen this either. Will get back to you.

mhg83
06-03-12, 12:58 PM
Haven't seen this either. Will get back to you.

Not gonna post a link but Youtube has the full movie if you can't find it on dvd.

Dr. DVD
06-03-12, 01:00 PM
Is this one streaming on Netflix?

Edit: Just checked. Nope, it isn't. :( That's what really sucks about the death of the video rental store. If there's an older movie you want to watch , chances are it won't be at the local Red Box. Your only option is Netflix or Blockbuster, and if it isn't streaming, you have to wait until you've returned what you have to get it, which could be several days. By then, your desire to watch the movie might be diminished.

MrSmearkase
06-03-12, 01:39 PM
/\ You could also try your local library. If they don't have it, they may be able to request it from another library in their network.

Nick Danger
06-03-12, 02:21 PM
/\ He can't wait 3-4 days to get a disk from Netflix. There's no way he can wait a week and a half for an interlibrary loan.

Gratification delayed is grace denied!

Supermallet
06-03-12, 02:48 PM
The Duellists is terrific. It's better than 98% of Ridley Scott's output, with the exceptions of Alien and Blade Runner.

Solid Snake
06-03-12, 02:49 PM
The Duellists is terrific. It's better than 98% of Ridley Scott's output, with the exceptions of Alien and Blade Runner.

.....This seems accurate.

inri222
06-03-12, 07:38 PM
The Duellists is terrific. It's better than 98% of Ridley Scott's output, with the exceptions of Alien and Blade Runner.

This is true

IMO
1. Alien
2. The Duellists
3. Blade Runner

Could not give 2 shits about the rest of Scott's films.

Giles
06-03-12, 07:42 PM
The Duellists is terrific. It's better than 98% of Ridley Scott's output, with the exceptions of Alien and Blade Runner.

guess I'll have to netflix this now with that recommendation

Supermallet
06-03-12, 07:49 PM
This is true

IMO
1. Alien
2. The Duellists
3. Blade Runner

Could not give 2 shits about the rest of Scott's films.

For me it's Blade Runner, then Alien, then The Duellists, then Kingdom of Heaven DC, then Black Hawk Down. Hannibal gets honorable mention for being so cartoony.

Hokeyboy
06-03-12, 08:02 PM
The cinematography alone in The Duellists makes it a must-see, but it has a compelling enough story to keep you riveted beyond the visual baubles. Great movie.

Dr. DVD
06-03-12, 10:11 PM
I've always felt Black Rain was his most underrated, but I'll wait until we get to that point.

hasslein
06-03-12, 10:12 PM
I haven't seen it since the early 90's, but from what I remember, what hokeyboy said.

Solid Snake
06-04-12, 10:53 AM
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Ash Ketchum
06-04-12, 11:16 AM
I've always felt Black Rain was his most underrated, but I'll wait until we get to that point.

I liked BLACK RAIN a lot when I saw it in a theater, but haven't seen it since, although I keep meaning to. It may actually be my favorite Ridley Scott film.

Solid Snake
06-04-12, 11:40 AM
I liked Black Rain when I first saw it a few years back. It looked dirty though...the film stock that is. Did the BD look any better than what TV probably got?

Mabuse
06-04-12, 11:48 AM
I've actually seen the Duelists and it's just OK. It certainly not as good as it sounds. The conflict between the two protagonists who battle over many years is well done, but everything else is pretty weak.

bunkaroo
06-04-12, 11:56 AM
I feel utterly ashamed that I have had the Duellists on my shelf for as long as the DVD has been out, and I still have yet to watch it. Maybe this thread is the final push I needed.

Dr Mabuse
06-04-12, 12:16 PM
The Duellists is terrific. It's better than 98% of Ridley Scott's output

Yeah. I first saw this in the very early 80's. I didn't know or care who Ridley Scott was, didn't look into such things back then just enjoyed films as I saw them, but I came in on the film a good ways into it on HBO(IIRC) and was really engrossed by it. So I made sure to find the next scheduled airing and taped it to VHS and watched it several times.

Good film. It's been too long since I rewatched it, gonna hve to remedy that soon.

I am a fan of 'American Gangster'. I noticed No one has mentioned it, but I've watched the extended cut of that film 5 times at least, and always enjoy it.

Hokeyboy
06-04-12, 06:26 PM
American Gangster is a great movie. I'd easily put it as my #4 RS film (after Alien, Blade Runner, and The Duellists).

Dr Mabuse
06-04-12, 06:30 PM
Yeah Ridley is very hit and miss as a director, but he got it right with AG. I really like that film. It would be my #3 or 4 too.

Solid Snake
06-04-12, 06:49 PM
for me...Ridley's top films are, in no order

Alien
Blade Runner
The Duellists
Kingdom of Heaven (DC)

I've no idea where I'd rank them aside from KoH being #4.

Supermallet
06-04-12, 07:37 PM
I never bothered to catch American Gangster. I will give that one a shot.

tommyp007
06-04-12, 07:58 PM
I never bothered to catch American Gangster. I will give that one a shot.

It's great!

Dr. DVD
06-04-12, 08:31 PM
It's great!

It is a quality movie, but feels more like his brother Tony IMO.

inri222
06-04-12, 09:34 PM
I never bothered to catch American Gangster. I will give that one a shot.

See it for yourself and decide, I sure as hell was disappointed.
I thought The Departed was better.

FRwL
06-04-12, 09:45 PM
What about Legend. His fantastical trilogy, Alien, Blade Runner, Legend. He should stop with the historical and go more fantastical.

hasslein
06-04-12, 09:59 PM
1. 1492
2. Blade Runner
3. Alien
4. Thelma & Louise
5. Black Rain
6. Black Hawk Down
7. Duelists

bunkaroo
06-04-12, 10:31 PM
AG did nothing for me unfortunately and I wanted to like it. Perhaps I was "gangstered" out at the time but I didn't feel like the film did anything unique. Felt very by the numbers to me.

No love for Matchstick Men?

Abob Teff
06-04-12, 11:46 PM
/\ He can't wait 3-4 days to get a disk from Netflix. There's no way he can wait a week and a half for an interlibrary loan.

Gratification delayed is grace denied!

It would be quicker if he simply hired two homeless guys from the library to act out the movie in his living room.

Astrofan
06-04-12, 11:59 PM
I don't see any films of his I like, though I haven't seen American Gangster nor Black Hawk Down. I positively loathed both Alien (a jump out and go boo movie) and Blade Runner (the beginning of the let's ruin a book by Philip K. Dick films) when I first saw them--which is when they first came out.

Gladiator, you're kidding me right? How can anybody put this on a list of must see movies?

Astrofan
06-05-12, 12:03 AM
Is this one streaming on Netflix?

Edit: Just checked. Nope, it isn't. :( That's what really sucks about the death of the video rental store. If there's an older movie you want to watch , chances are it won't be at the local Red Box. Your only option is Netflix or Blockbuster, and if it isn't streaming, you have to wait until you've returned what you have to get it, which could be several days. By then, your desire to watch the movie might be diminished.


Wow, if a movie's good enough to watch you can't wait a couple of days to get it? Also very few video stores could ever offer complete director's catalogs. Netflix is still your best bet to see the majority of films by a director like Hitchcock or Bergman.

Mabuse
06-05-12, 11:48 AM
I found American Gangster to be the most forgetable film ever. I watched it when it first came out on DVD and I dont' remember a single moment from it.

I think 1492, while flawed, is the quintesential Scott film. INCREDIBLE cinematography, lots of smoke, beautiful locations and sets. The thing RS does best is atmosphere. And his best films have atmospheres that are so complete in every detail that they feel like real places you've actually visited. I feel like I really visited LA circa 2019 and I feel like I watched Columbus come ashore in 1492.

One of his worst films, White Squal, is still a must see. It sucks because its script sucks, but the locations and photography and atention to detail make you feel like you were there.

Burnt Thru
06-05-12, 04:16 PM
is 1492 on DVD yet? It never seemed to be getting a release date for some reason. That's a movie that is really helped by a haunting soundtrack by Vangelis. Shame he wasn't around to do something with the music on Prometheus..

I'm a fan of Ridley's work but can't help but feel he's lost interest in the hard work necessary to produce films of the quality of his early examples. The latter ones aren't bad but they aren't anywhere near as polished or touched by the same obsessive hand as Blade Runner or Alien.

mhg83
06-07-12, 10:51 PM
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/mhg83/alien.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078748/

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I just watched this for what seems like the millionth time (1st time on Blu) A true Masterpiece. There's so little violence except for the "Birth" scene. It relies more on a tense atmosphere building up.

Speaking of The "Birth" scene, it must've been a treat to see it for the first time with an audience in a crowded theater. I remember watching it on VHS when i was around 11 or 12. Gave me Nightmares.
As for Theatrical VS Director's cut; I prefer the theatrical cut. The problem i have with the DC is with this scene:

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With that part added in the Alien becomes less of a mystery for the audience to figure out on their own. That was one of the things that made Alien so good.

Hokeyboy
06-08-12, 08:28 AM
This is an absolutely perfect movie. Flawless. Masterpiece. A movie to both love and admire, to both be studied and be entertained by.

Every time some loon insists, "It's a summer popcorn movie! Turn off your brain and enjoy!!", beat them about the face with a sock full of pennies and then force them to watch ALIEN until they understand.

UNTIL THEY UNDERSTAND!!! :mad:

inri222
06-08-12, 09:05 AM
It is also a better film than Aliens.

Astrofan
06-08-12, 11:48 AM
This is an absolutely perfect movie. Flawless. Masterpiece. A movie to both love and admire, to both be studied and be entertained by.

OK, you succeeded. You chased me out of this thread.

islandclaws
06-08-12, 12:11 PM
I showed my gf Alien for the first time the other night. Having seen it a dozen times myself, it was fun vicariously watching it through her. She freaked the fuck out during the chestbursting scene, and spent the rest of the film gripping my arm tight.

I sometimes wish I wasn't so desensitized to these things. I miss that thrill I used to get as a kid.

Hokeyboy
06-08-12, 12:41 PM
OK, you succeeded. You chased me out of this thread.
Buh?

mhg83
06-12-12, 09:40 PM
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/mhg83/220px-Blade_Runner_poster.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/

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Everytime I watch this film I try to get it but just don't find it that great of a movie as others do. I will say the atmasphere was very well done and Scott is extremely detailed in creating this futuristic world. I just couldn't connect or care for Harrison Ford's Charcter. I also felt the Evil Replicant was a bit silly near the end.

I also think Deckard was Human.

OutRun2
06-13-12, 01:54 AM
Tawp 5:

1)Prometheus
2)GI Jane
3)White Squall
4)Hannibal
5)Domino

JumpCutz
06-13-12, 02:14 AM
Tawp 5:

1)Prometheus
2)GI Jane
3)White Squall
4)Hannibal
5)Domino

Jesus. Where to start, you're obviously a troll, Domino was directed by his brother, but you knew that. -obhfrank-

Alien
The Duellists
Bladerunner
Kingdom Of Heaven DC
Legend (yeah it's that good)

WeylandYutani
06-13-12, 03:39 PM
Tawp 5:

1)Prometheus
2)GI Jane
3)White Squall
4)Hannibal
5)Domino

funny, hu hu.

B5Erik
06-13-12, 11:18 PM
I'm a big fan of Black Rain. Great movie.

Of course, Alien and Blade Runner are phenomenal films, and they really made his reputation.

American Gangster is pretty good, and I like the DC of Gladiator a lot. Prometheus is good, but not as good as it should have been.

I don't think I've seen the rest of his movies.

gryffinmaster
06-13-12, 11:32 PM
Yeah, I liked American Gangster well enough when I first watched it, but: a) I remember very little of what I liked, and b) I haven't felt the urge to return to the material.

The Duellists, on the other hand, is fantastic. Among my five favorite Scott films, a list that will look fairly similar to others in the thread.

mhg83
06-16-12, 09:04 PM
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/mhg83/legendsingledvd.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089469/

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First time watching this movie and I liked it a lot. This is the most visually stunning films I've seen in a long time. It feels like a fairy tale geared towards Adults and intended to scare kids. Reading IMDB review the theatrical cut was heavily butchered and the Director's cut is completely different and Is Scott's true version. Now I'm curious to see the Theatrical version just to see what was changed.

dhmac
06-16-12, 10:10 PM
I've always liked Legend. I remember that it got hammered with bad reviews when it came out, but I thought that despite its overly simple plot, it was visually amazing to watch and, looking back now, a bit ahead of its time given that Fantasy Films are more accepted nowadays. And Ridley Scott visually rising above the scripts he has to work with is also now recognized as something he does quite often.

Although the Director's Cut is the best version of Legend, I still think the U.S. Theatrical Cut is decent because, for a short version, it doesn't really change much of importance in the story. I think the main difference is the music, which is better in the Director's Cut with Jerry Goldsmith's solid score, but I'm even OK with the Tangerine Dream score in the U.S. version (however, I am a TD fan and someone who isn't may just hate the music in this version).

bunkaroo
06-16-12, 11:20 PM
Finally watched The Duellists today and really enjoyed it. Though I'm not sure I'd be able to identify it as the work of Scott if I didn't kow he made it.

Would love to see this one on Blu-ray.

gryffinmaster
06-16-12, 11:22 PM
Legend is all sorts of under-appreciated.

Fist of Doom
06-17-12, 12:00 AM
Legend doesn't quite click for me. Some gorgeous visuals - I love the set designs - and a few striking scenes, but there's something lacking in it that I can't put my finger on. The elements are there, but they just don't come together to make a compelling story.

No love for Matchstick Men?

:wave: I think it's an overlooked gem.

gmanca
06-17-12, 01:39 AM
I think the problem with Legend is that the journey to get to Darkness is completely boring. If you were to cut out the portion between Jack meeting the gang and when they enter the lair and fight in the kitchen, you wouldn't miss much.

Dr. DVD
06-17-12, 08:42 AM
Legend is definitely something that grows on you. It actually makes me wish that Ridley Scott would go back to the fantasy genre for at least one more movie like he did with sci-fi. However, since this was not a financial success, I doubt he sees the reason to do such.

While I admit the DC of Legend is the superior version, I was so used to the regular version with the TD score that the new one sounded kind of weird. Hell, I'll admit to having the ST to Legend , makes for a good playlist mix with Blade Runner.

Osiris3657
06-19-12, 06:50 PM
One of the best directors of our time. Love many of his films, including Alien, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut, Matchstick Men, American Gangster, and (gasp!) Prometheus. Hannibal was entertaining, if nothing else. I admittedly didn't like Legend.

islandclaws
06-19-12, 06:55 PM
While I admit the DC of Legend is the superior version, I was so used to the regular version with the TD score that the new one sounded kind of weird. Hell, I'll admit to having the ST to Legend , makes for a good playlist mix with Blade Runner.

Agreed. As much as I'd like the DC to be my go-to version, TD's score is just too awesome, and it's etched into my mind as the definitive soundtrack.

mhg83
06-21-12, 09:39 PM
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/mhg83/someone-to-watch-over-me-movie-poster-1987-1020254785.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094008/

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This was my first time watching this film and boy what a piece of crap. To go from great films Duellists, Alien, Blade Runner, and Legend, to this cliched by the numbers movie was so disappointing. The plot has been done to death. I was thinking maybe Scott would add a twist to the story that would make it stand out but no. You can tell he was just doing this one for a quick buck.

mhg83
06-28-12, 10:15 PM
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/mhg83/blackrain.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096933/

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I loved this Film! It almost felt like Ridley was trying to be like his brother Tony with all the big chase and action scenes. The look of the film reminded me of Blade Runner when they arrive in Japan.

I liked all of the characters except for that chick from Temple Of Doom. Horrible actress. My favorite character was Douglas's partner.

FRwL
06-29-12, 12:43 AM
It seems Scott's 80s output was him at his most visionary.

Boba Fett
06-29-12, 01:37 AM
Ken Takakura was a brillaint casting choice, given his legacy in Yakuza cinema. This is honestly one of my favorite Scott films, even though it has a few clunky moments.

gmanca
06-29-12, 01:46 AM
^ Agreed, Takakura is great and he was also good in the other film I've seen him, The Yakuza.

Yeah, this is a top favorite of mine; it's the buddy cop genre with some class to it.

I really liked the music by Hans Zimmer and Ryuchi Sakamoto's Laser Man, played when Douglas is in the nightclub.

Burnt Thru
06-29-12, 01:57 AM
I love the music in Black Rain - gives me goosebumps. But what a horrendous trailer! It gives away several key twists while generating no momentum or anticipation to see the flick. Shockingly bad stuff.

mhg83
07-07-12, 08:45 PM
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/mhg83/thelma_and_louise.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103074/

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/PRr0HY9MPZ0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Just watched this for the first time. You can tell right away It's a Scottt film with how beautiful the movie looks. The American landscape is captured perfectly throughout. It does seem like an odd choice for Ridley Scott to Direct this as one would think a feminist director made this movie due to the story premise.
Not better than Black Rain but much better than Someone to watch over me.

JumpCutz
07-07-12, 09:58 PM
What about Legend. His fantastical trilogy, Alien, Blade Runner, Legend. He should stop with the historical and go more fantastical.

Agreed.

Legend is underrated if wildly uneven. Sure Tom Cruise is miscast, the dialogue suffers, but the production design, Alex Thomson's cinematography, the makeup and matte work, Tim Curry and both scores (Goldsmith/Tangerine Dream) are fantastic as well as the Jon Anderson/Bryan Ferry contributions. Mia Sara never looked more beautiful. :thumbsup: