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starman9000
05-18-12, 07:05 AM
<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="6"><a name="20120517"></a>Thursday, May 17, 2012</td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td width="36%">RESULT</td><td width="17%">WIN</td><td width="17%">LOSS</td><td width="17%">SAVE</td><td>ATT.</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-12 team-10-5"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517105">at Cleveland 6, Seattle 5</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28729/joe-smith">Smith</a> (4-1) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6135/brandon-league">League</a> (0-3) </td><td></td><td colspan="2">12,894</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-9 team-10-6"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517106">Minnesota 4, at Detroit 3</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29701/pj-walters">Walters</a> (1-1) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30370/doug-fister">Fister</a> (0-2) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6450/matt-capps">Capps</a> (8) </td><td colspan="2">37,840</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-17 team-10-21"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517121">at NY Mets 9, Cincinnati 4</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29227/bobby-parnell">Parnell</a> (1-0) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30393/logan-ondrusek">Ondrusek</a> (3-1) </td><td></td><td colspan="2">29,943</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-11 team-10-13"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517113">Oakland 5, at Texas 4</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31532/ryan-cook">Cook</a> (1-0) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5969/mike-adams">Adams</a> (0-2) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4731/brian-fuentes">Fuentes</a> (3) </td><td colspan="2">47,182</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-1 team-10-7"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517107">Baltimore 5, at Kansas City 3</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29938/brian-matusz">Matusz</a> (3-4) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28643/luke-hochevar">Hochevar</a> (3-4) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28531/jim-johnson">Johnson</a> (14) </td><td colspan="2">31,076</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-29 team-10-27"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517127">Arizona 9, at Colorado 7</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29147/brad-ziegler">Ziegler</a> (2-1) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3985/rafael-betancourt">Betancourt</a> (1-1) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5640/jj-putz">Putz</a> (7) </td><td colspan="2">32,035</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-4 team-10-3"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517103">Chicago White Sox 6, at LA Angels 1</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30948/chris-sale">Sale</a> (4-2) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6311/cj-wilson">Wilson</a> (4-4) </td><td></td><td colspan="2">30,786</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-24 team-10-26"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517126">at San Francisco 7, St. Louis 5</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6202/matt-cain">Cain</a> (3-2) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5403/adam-wainwright">Wainwright</a> (2-5) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6060/santiago-casilla">Casilla</a> (9) </td><td colspan="2">41,225</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-23 team-10-20"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517120">Pittsburgh 5, at Washington 3</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29243/james-mcdonald">McDonald</a> (3-2) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30209/jordan-zimmermann">Zimmermann</a> (2-4) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28715/joel-hanrahan">Hanrahan</a> (8) </td><td colspan="2">25,757</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-10 team-10-14"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517114">at Toronto 4, NY Yankees 1</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31462/drew-hutchison">Hutchison</a> (3-1) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28638/phil-hughes">Hughes</a> (3-5) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6526/casey-janssen">Janssen</a> (3) </td><td colspan="2">31,266</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-28 team-10-15"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517115">at Atlanta 7, Miami 0</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30962/brandon-beachy">Beachy</a> (5-1) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6491/ricky-nolasco">Nolasco</a> (4-2) </td><td></td><td colspan="2">27,724</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-2 team-10-30"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517130">Boston 5, at Tampa Bay 3</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30066/felix-doubront">Doubront</a> (4-1) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31099/matt-moore">Moore</a> (1-4) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29223/alfredo-aceves">Aceves</a> (8) </td><td colspan="2">19,842</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-22 team-10-16"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517116">Philadelphia 8, at Chicago Cubs 7</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3973/roy-halladay">Halladay</a> (4-3) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28874/chris-volstad">Volstad</a> (0-6) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6373/jonathan-papelbon">Papelbon</a> (11) </td><td colspan="2">37,986</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-8 team-10-18"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517118">at Houston 4, Milwaukee 0</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28817/ja-happ">Happ</a> (3-3) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6427/shaun-marcum">Marcum</a> (2-2) </td><td></td><td colspan="2">15,173</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-19 team-10-25"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320517125">LA Dodgers 8, at San Diego 1</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5181/aaron-harang">Harang</a> (3-2) </td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6401/edinson-volquez">Volquez</a> (2-3) </td><td></td><td colspan="2">27,883</td></tr></table><table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"></table><table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"></table><table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="6"><a name="20120518"></a>Friday, May 18, 2012</td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td width="30%">TEAMS</td><td align="right" width="12%">TIME (ET)</td><td width="10%">NAT TV</td><td width="10%">RESOURCES</td><td width="30%">PITCHERS</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-4 team-10-16"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518116">Chicago White Sox at Chicago Cubs</a></td><td align="right">2:20 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/chicago-cubs-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Chicago+Cubs+20120518'" title="Chicago Cubs">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28596/philip-humber">Humber</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29166/jeff-samardzija">Samardzija</a></td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-28 team-10-5"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518105">Miami at Cleveland</a></td><td align="right">7:05 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/cleveland-indians-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Cleveland+Indians+20120518'" title="Cleveland Indians">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4499/carlos-zambrano">Zambrano</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28977/justin-masterson">Masterson</a></td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-23 team-10-6"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518106">Pittsburgh at Detroit</a></td><td align="right">7:05 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/detroit-tigers-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Detroit+Tigers+20120518'" title="Detroit Tigers">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29155/charlie-morton">Morton</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6341/justin-verlander">Verlander</a></td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-17 team-10-10"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518110">Cincinnati at NY Yankees</a></td><td align="right">7:05 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/new-york-yankees-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+New+York+Yankees+20120518'" title="New York Yankees">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4416/bronson-arroyo">Arroyo</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3171/andy-pettitte">Pettitte</a></td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-1 team-10-20"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518120">Baltimore at Washington</a></td><td align="right">7:05 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/washington-nationals-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Washington+Nationals+20120518'" title="Washington Nationals">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30145/jake-arrieta">Arrieta</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5842/edwin-jackson">Jackson</a></td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-2 team-10-22"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518122">Boston at Philadelphia</a></td><td align="right">7:05 PM</td><td>MLB Network</td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/philadelphia-phillies-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Philadelphia+Phillies+20120518'" title="Philadelphia Phillies">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30158/daniel-bard">Bard</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6216/cole-hamels">Hamels</a></td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-21 team-10-14"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518114">NY Mets at Toronto</a></td><td align="right">7:07 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/toronto-blue-jays-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Toronto+Blue+Jays+20120518'" title="Toronto Blue Jays">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29219/jonathon-niese">Niese</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30025/ricky-romero">Romero</a></td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-15 team-10-30"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518130">Atlanta at Tampa Bay</a></td><td align="right">7:10 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/tampa-bay-rays-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Tampa+Bay+Rays+20120518'" title="Tampa Bay Rays">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30191/tommy-hanson">Hanson</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28474/james-shields">Shields</a></td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-13 team-10-18"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518118">Texas at Houston</a></td><td align="right">8:05 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/houston-astros-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Houston+Astros+20120518'" title="Houston Astros">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30149/neftali-feliz">Feliz</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6286/wandy-rodriguez">Rodriguez</a></td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-29 team-10-7"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518107">Arizona at Kansas City</a></td><td align="right">8:10 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/kansas-city-royals-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Kansas+City+Royals+20120518'" title="Kansas City Royals">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6383/joe-saunders">Saunders</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28906/luis-mendoza">Mendoza</a></td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-9 team-10-8"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518108">Minnesota at Milwaukee</a></td><td align="right">8:10 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/milwaukee-brewers-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Milwaukee+Brewers+20120518'" title="Milwaukee Brewers">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30985/scott-diamond">Diamond</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29215/marco-estrada">Estrada</a></td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-12 team-10-27"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518127">Seattle at Colorado</a></td><td align="right">8:40 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/colorado-rockies-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Colorado+Rockies+20120518'" title="Colorado Rockies">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3687/kevin-millwood">Millwood</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30446/alex-white">White</a></td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-3 team-10-25"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518125">LA Angels at San Diego</a></td><td align="right">10:05 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/san-diego-padres-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+San+Diego+Padres+20120518'" title="San Diego Padres">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6479/jered-weaver">Weaver</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3294/jeff-suppan">Suppan</a></td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-10-24 team-10-19"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518119">St. Louis at LA Dodgers</a></td><td align="right">10:10 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/los-angeles-dodgers-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+Los+Angeles+Dodgers+20120518'" title="Los Angeles Dodgers">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30820/lance-lynn">Lynn</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4062/ted-lilly">Lilly</a></td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-10-11 team-10-26"><td><a href=“http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=320518126">Oakland at San Francisco</a></td><td align="right">10:15 PM</td><td></td><td><a href="http://www.stubhub.com/san-francisco-giants-tickets/" onclick="this.href=this.href+'?gcid=C12289x450&keyword=MLB+Schedule+San+Francisco+Giants+20120518'" title="San Francisco Giants">StubHub</a></td><td><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29806/jarrod-parker">Parker</a> vs <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4233/barry-zito">Zito</a></td></tr></table>

starman9000
05-18-12, 07:05 AM
<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="13">American League</td></tr><tr align="right" class="colhead"><td align="left">EAST</td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=wins&order=true" title="Wins">W</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=losses&order=true" title="Losses">L</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=winPercent&order=true" title="Winning percentage">PCT</a></td><td class="sortcell"><a href="/mlb/standings?order=true" title="Games back">GB</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=homeWinPercent&order=true" title="Home record">HOME</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=roadWinPercent&order=true" title="Road record">ROAD</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsFor&order=true" title="Runs scored">RS</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsAgainst" title="Runs allowed">RA</a></td><td><span title="Run differential">DIFF</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=streak&order=true" title="Current streak">STRK</a></td><td><span title="Last 10 games">L10</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=playoffPercent&order=true" title="% chance of making the Playoffs">POFF</a></td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-1"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-orioles">Baltimore</a></td><td>25</td><td>14</td><td>.641</td><td class="sortcell">-</td><td>12-9</td><td>13-5</td><td>182</td><td>164</td><td><span class="greenfont">+18</span></td><td>Won 3</td><td>6-4</td><td>47.8</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-30"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/tb/tampa-bay-rays">Tampa Bay</a></td><td>24</td><td>15</td><td>.615</td><td class="sortcell">1</td><td>14-4</td><td>10-11</td><td>174</td><td>159</td><td><span class="greenfont">+15</span></td><td>Lost 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>60.3</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-14"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays">Toronto</a></td><td>21</td><td>18</td><td>.538</td><td class="sortcell">4</td><td>10-9</td><td>11-9</td><td>179</td><td>154</td><td><span class="greenfont">+25</span></td><td>Won 2</td><td>5-5</td><td>45.0</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-10"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/nyy/new-york-yankees">NY Yankees</a></td><td>20</td><td>18</td><td>.526</td><td class="sortcell">4.5</td><td>11-8</td><td>9-10</td><td>178</td><td>171</td><td><span class="greenfont">+7</span></td><td>Lost 3</td><td>5-5</td><td>39.0</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-2"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/bos/boston-red-sox">Boston</a></td><td>18</td><td>20</td><td>.474</td><td class="sortcell">6.5</td><td>9-11</td><td>9-9</td><td>205</td><td>192</td><td><span class="greenfont">+13</span></td><td>Won 1</td><td>6-4</td><td>33.2</td></tr><tr align="right" class="colhead"><td align="left">CENTRAL</td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=wins&order=true" title="Wins">W</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=losses&order=true" title="Losses">L</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=winPercent&order=true" title="Winning percentage">PCT</a></td><td class="sortcell"><a href="/mlb/standings?order=true" title="Games back">GB</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=homeWinPercent&order=true" title="Home record">HOME</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=roadWinPercent&order=true" title="Road record">ROAD</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsFor&order=true" title="Runs scored">RS</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsAgainst" title="Runs allowed">RA</a></td><td><span title="Run differential">DIFF</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=streak&order=true" title="Current streak">STRK</a></td><td><span title="Last 10 games">L10</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=playoffPercent&order=true" title="% chance of making the Playoffs">POFF</a></td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-5"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-indians">Cleveland</a></td><td>22</td><td>16</td><td>.579</td><td class="sortcell">-</td><td>10-10</td><td>12-6</td><td>172</td><td>175</td><td><span class="redfont">-3</span></td><td>Won 4</td><td>5-5</td><td>42.3</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-6"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/det/detroit-tigers">Detroit</a></td><td>18</td><td>20</td><td>.474</td><td class="sortcell">4</td><td>9-11</td><td>9-9</td><td>167</td><td>178</td><td><span class="redfont">-11</span></td><td>Lost 2</td><td>4-6</td><td>37.1</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-4"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/chw/chicago-white-sox">Chicago Sox</a></td><td>18</td><td>21</td><td>.462</td><td class="sortcell">4.5</td><td>7-12</td><td>11-9</td><td>158</td><td>159</td><td><span class="redfont">-1</span></td><td>Won 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>35.5</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-7"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/kc/kansas-city-royals">Kansas City</a></td><td>15</td><td>22</td><td>.405</td><td class="sortcell">6.5</td><td>4-15</td><td>11-7</td><td>149</td><td>171</td><td><span class="redfont">-22</span></td><td>Lost 2</td><td>6-4</td><td>19.4</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-9"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/min/minnesota-twins">Minnesota</a></td><td>12</td><td>26</td><td>.316</td><td class="sortcell">10</td><td>6-14</td><td>6-12</td><td>135</td><td>202</td><td><span class="redfont">-67</span></td><td>Won 2</td><td>5-5</td><td>1.1</td></tr><tr align="right" class="colhead"><td align="left">WEST</td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=wins&order=true" title="Wins">W</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=losses&order=true" title="Losses">L</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=winPercent&order=true" title="Winning percentage">PCT</a></td><td class="sortcell"><a href="/mlb/standings?order=true" title="Games back">GB</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=homeWinPercent&order=true" title="Home record">HOME</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=roadWinPercent&order=true" title="Road record">ROAD</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsFor&order=true" title="Runs scored">RS</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsAgainst" title="Runs allowed">RA</a></td><td><span title="Run differential">DIFF</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=streak&order=true" title="Current streak">STRK</a></td><td><span title="Last 10 games">L10</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=playoffPercent&order=true" title="% chance of making the Playoffs">POFF</a></td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-13"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/tex/texas-rangers">Texas</a></td><td>24</td><td>15</td><td>.615</td><td class="sortcell">-</td><td>11-9</td><td>13-6</td><td>220</td><td>143</td><td><span class="greenfont">+77</span></td><td>Lost 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>95.6</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-11"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/oak/oakland-athletics">Oakland</a></td><td>20</td><td>19</td><td>.513</td><td class="sortcell">4</td><td>9-10</td><td>11-9</td><td>138</td><td>150</td><td><span class="redfont">-12</span></td><td>Won 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>23.1</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-3"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/laa/los-angeles-angels">LA Angels</a></td><td>17</td><td>22</td><td>.436</td><td class="sortcell">7</td><td>11-10</td><td>6-12</td><td>142</td><td>156</td><td><span class="redfont">-14</span></td><td>Lost 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>15.0</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-12"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/sea/seattle-mariners">Seattle</a></td><td>16</td><td>24</td><td>.400</td><td class="sortcell">8.5</td><td>7-8</td><td>9-16</td><td>144</td><td>169</td><td><span class="redfont">-25</span></td><td>Lost 4</td><td>3-7</td><td>5.6</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="13.0">National League</td></tr><tr align="right" class="colhead"><td align="left">EAST</td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=wins&order=true" title="Wins">W</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=losses&order=true" title="Losses">L</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=winPercent&order=true" title="Winning percentage">PCT</a></td><td class="sortcell"><a href="/mlb/standings?order=true" title="Games back">GB</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=homeWinPercent&order=true" title="Home record">HOME</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=roadWinPercent&order=true" title="Road record">ROAD</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsFor&order=true" title="Runs scored">RS</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsAgainst" title="Runs allowed">RA</a></td><td><span title="Run differential">DIFF</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=streak&order=true" title="Current streak">STRK</a></td><td><span title="Last 10 games">L10</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=playoffPercent&order=true" title="% chance of making the Playoffs">POFF</a></td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-15"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/atl/atlanta-braves">Atlanta</a></td><td>24</td><td>15</td><td>.615</td><td class="sortcell">-</td><td>10-7</td><td>14-8</td><td>207</td><td>168</td><td><span class="greenfont">+39</span></td><td>Won 1</td><td>6-4</td><td>68.1</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-20"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/wsh/washington-nationals">Washington</a></td><td>23</td><td>15</td><td>.605</td><td class="sortcell">.5</td><td>14-6</td><td>9-9</td><td>140</td><td>126</td><td><span class="greenfont">+14</span></td><td>Lost 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>47.6</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-21"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/nym/new-york-mets">NY Mets</a></td><td>21</td><td>17</td><td>.553</td><td class="sortcell">2.5</td><td>12-8</td><td>9-9</td><td>161</td><td>182</td><td><span class="redfont">-21</span></td><td>Won 1</td><td>6-4</td><td>16.0</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-28"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/mia/miami-marlins">Miami</a></td><td>20</td><td>18</td><td>.526</td><td class="sortcell">3.5</td><td>9-7</td><td>11-11</td><td>144</td><td>144</td><td>0</td><td>Lost 1</td><td>6-4</td><td>21.0</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-22"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-phillies">Philadelphia</a></td><td>20</td><td>19</td><td>.513</td><td class="sortcell">4</td><td>9-9</td><td>11-10</td><td>159</td><td>151</td><td><span class="greenfont">+8</span></td><td>Won 5</td><td>6-4</td><td>40.0</td></tr><tr align="right" class="colhead"><td align="left">CENTRAL</td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=wins&order=true" title="Wins">W</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=losses&order=true" title="Losses">L</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=winPercent&order=true" title="Winning percentage">PCT</a></td><td class="sortcell"><a href="/mlb/standings?order=true" title="Games back">GB</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=homeWinPercent&order=true" title="Home record">HOME</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=roadWinPercent&order=true" title="Road record">ROAD</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsFor&order=true" title="Runs scored">RS</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsAgainst" title="Runs allowed">RA</a></td><td><span title="Run differential">DIFF</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=streak&order=true" title="Current streak">STRK</a></td><td><span title="Last 10 games">L10</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=playoffPercent&order=true" title="% chance of making the Playoffs">POFF</a></td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-24"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/stl/st-louis-cardinals">St. Louis</a></td><td>22</td><td>16</td><td>.579</td><td class="sortcell">-</td><td>9-8</td><td>13-8</td><td>207</td><td>142</td><td><span class="greenfont">+65</span></td><td>Lost 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>84.0</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-17"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-reds">Cincinnati</a></td><td>19</td><td>18</td><td>.514</td><td class="sortcell">2.5</td><td>9-8</td><td>10-10</td><td>144</td><td>144</td><td>0</td><td>Lost 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>33.8</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-23"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-pirates">Pittsburgh</a></td><td>18</td><td>20</td><td>.474</td><td class="sortcell">4</td><td>10-8</td><td>8-12</td><td>111</td><td>137</td><td><span class="redfont">-26</span></td><td>Won 1</td><td>6-4</td><td>8.0</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-18"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/hou/houston-astros">Houston</a></td><td>17</td><td>21</td><td>.447</td><td class="sortcell">5</td><td>12-8</td><td>5-13</td><td>159</td><td>149</td><td><span class="greenfont">+10</span></td><td>Won 2</td><td>4-6</td><td>20.9</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-8"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/mil/milwaukee-brewers">Milwaukee</a></td><td>16</td><td>22</td><td>.421</td><td class="sortcell">6</td><td>9-9</td><td>7-13</td><td>153</td><td>185</td><td><span class="redfont">-32</span></td><td>Lost 2</td><td>4-6</td><td>9.7</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-16"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/chc/chicago-cubs">Chicago Cubs</a></td><td>15</td><td>23</td><td>.395</td><td class="sortcell">7</td><td>9-12</td><td>6-11</td><td>143</td><td>170</td><td><span class="redfont">-27</span></td><td>Lost 3</td><td>4-6</td><td>7.6</td></tr><tr align="right" class="colhead"><td align="left">WEST</td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=wins&order=true" title="Wins">W</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=losses&order=true" title="Losses">L</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=winPercent&order=true" title="Winning percentage">PCT</a></td><td class="sortcell"><a href="/mlb/standings?order=true" title="Games back">GB</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=homeWinPercent&order=true" title="Home record">HOME</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=roadWinPercent&order=true" title="Road record">ROAD</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsFor&order=true" title="Runs scored">RS</a></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=pointsAgainst" title="Runs allowed">RA</a></td><td><span title="Run differential">DIFF</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=streak&order=true" title="Current streak">STRK</a></td><td><span title="Last 10 games">L10</span></td><td><a href="/mlb/standings?sort=playoffPercent&order=true" title="% chance of making the Playoffs">POFF</a></td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-19"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/lad/los-angeles-dodgers">LA Dodgers</a></td><td>25</td><td>13</td><td>.658</td><td class="sortcell">-</td><td>16-4</td><td>9-9</td><td>165</td><td>128</td><td><span class="greenfont">+37</span></td><td>Won 1</td><td>7-3</td><td>85.1</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-26"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/sf/san-francisco-giants">San Francisco</a></td><td>19</td><td>19</td><td>.500</td><td class="sortcell">6</td><td>10-9</td><td>9-10</td><td>141</td><td>147</td><td><span class="redfont">-6</span></td><td>Won 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>24.3</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-29"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/ari/arizona-diamondbacks">Arizona</a></td><td>17</td><td>22</td><td>.436</td><td class="sortcell">8.5</td><td>7-12</td><td>10-10</td><td>158</td><td>173</td><td><span class="redfont">-15</span></td><td>Won 1</td><td>3-7</td><td>19.9</td></tr><tr align="right" class="oddrow team-10-27"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/col/colorado-rockies">Colorado</a></td><td>15</td><td>22</td><td>.405</td><td class="sortcell">9.5</td><td>9-11</td><td>6-11</td><td>184</td><td>198</td><td><span class="redfont">-14</span></td><td>Lost 1</td><td>3-7</td><td>10.1</td></tr><tr align="right" class="evenrow team-10-25"><td align="left"><a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/sd/san-diego-padres">San Diego</a></td><td>14</td><td>25</td><td>.359</td><td class="sortcell">11.5</td><td>10-15</td><td>4-10</td><td>125</td><td>157</td><td><span class="redfont">-32</span></td><td>Lost 1</td><td>5-5</td><td>3.8</td></tr></table>

dvd-4-life
05-18-12, 07:31 AM
Are they going to cutback on Yankees/Mets;Cubs/White Sox;Angels/Dodgers ; etc next season and have a more balanced interleague schedule? I'm sure the Mets will cry up a storm because the Yankees are their top draw.

Cardsfan111
05-18-12, 07:38 AM
Are they going to cutback on Yankees/Mets;Cubs/White Sox;Angels/Dodgers ; etc next season and have a more balanced interleague schedule? I'm sure the Mets will cry up a storm because the Yankees are their top draw.

That's something being looked at as they work on the 2013 schedule. Hal Bodley from MLB.com addresses it here (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120517&content_id=31552202&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb).

coli
05-18-12, 07:48 AM
Are they going to cutback on Yankees/Mets;Cubs/White Sox;Angels/Dodgers ; etc next season and have a more balanced interleague schedule? I'm sure the Mets will cry up a storm because the Yankees are their top draw.

Here is what I would do for the new schedule since you have 6 balanced divisions of 5 teams each:

(For Example: Philadelphia Phillies)

- 2 series/6 games vs NL Central and NL West = 60 games

- 1 series/3 games vs AL East/AL Central/AL West (rotating home and away each season) = 45 games

- 14 games (7 home/7 away) vs each division opponent = 56 games


161 game schedule

Cardsfan111
05-18-12, 08:12 AM
Here is what I would do for the new schedule since you have 6 balanced divisions of 5 teams each:

(For Example: Philadelphia Phillies)

- 2 series/6 games vs NL Central and NL West = 60 games

- 1 series/3 games vs AL East/AL Central/AL West (rotating home and away each season) = 45 games

- 14 games (7 home/7 away) vs each division opponent = 56 games


161 game schedule

That looks great, except you've wiped out Philadelphia's rivalry games with Toronto. :(

Cory02
05-18-12, 01:31 PM
Kerry Wood is retiring after his next outing.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120518&content_id=31622076&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Also,

Phillies manager Charlie Manuel and umpire Bob Davidson, embroiled in a heated nose-to-nose exchange during Tuesday's game between Philadelphia and Houston, each received a one-game suspension from Major League Baseball on Friday.

Both will serve their suspensions immediately. The Phillies are to play the Red Sox and Davidson will miss the Twins-Brewers game in Milwaukee. A Minor League call-up umpire will fill his spot.

Davidson was suspended for repeated violations of the Office of the Commissioner's standards for situation handling, MLB said in announcing the penalty.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120518&content_id=31623030&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Hopefully, this is just the start of MLB cracking down on some of the horrendous performance by the umpires this year.

whotony
05-18-12, 01:47 PM
The ump who called that spite strikeout the other day should be suspended too.

davidh777
05-18-12, 01:51 PM
Sorry to hear about Wood, but he has really struggled this year. That 20-strikeout, no-walk, one-infield-hit game is maybe the most dominant game ever, and also a reminder of what might have been.

whotony
05-18-12, 02:08 PM
Sorry to hear about Wood, but he has really struggled this year. That 20-strikeout, one-walk, one-infield-hit game is maybe the most dominant game ever, and also a reminder of what might have been.

nope.

Shannon Nutt
05-18-12, 02:15 PM
Sorry to hear about Wood, but he has really struggled this year. That 20-strikeout, one-walk, one-infield-hit game is maybe the most dominant game ever, and also a reminder of what might have been.

Not even close to Harvey Haddix's 1959 13-inning one-hitter (he had a perfect game through 12).

davidh777
05-18-12, 02:22 PM
Not even close to Harvey Haddix's 1959 13-inning one-hitter (he had a perfect game through 12).

Certainly a matter for debate, but not even close? Just because of the number of innings Haddix threw?

(Note: I misspoke with the one walk. It was no walks and one HBP.)

starman9000
05-18-12, 02:42 PM
Anybody see Beckham just bulldog Dejesus off the bag at 2nd for the out? :lol:

Cardsfan111
05-18-12, 03:01 PM
Regarding Wood, seems a little unusual for him to want that one last appearance. Guess that goes with wanting to leave the game on his own terms. For his sake, I hope he strikes his last batter out and the fans can shower him with love on his way to the dugout.

Quake1028
05-18-12, 03:32 PM
nope.

Maybe

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/24585/kerry-wood-and-the-greatest-game-pitched

davidh777
05-18-12, 03:49 PM
Regarding Wood, seems a little unusual for him to want that one last appearance. Guess that goes with wanting to leave the game on his own terms. For his sake, I hope he strikes his last batter out and the fans can shower him with love on his way to the dugout.

I like your scenario but am concerned it may be more along the lines of 1/3 IP, 2 BB, HBP, 2 2B, new pitcher. :(

davidh777
05-18-12, 03:52 PM
Maybe

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/24585/kerry-wood-and-the-greatest-game-pitched

From that article; One of these things is not like the other:

They managed one infield single and Wood hit a batter, so it wasn't a perfect game or even a no-hitter. But by the Bill James Game Score method, it was the best game ever pitched. Game Score rewards pitchers for strikeouts and subtracts points for runs, hits and walks. There have been just nine starts of nine innings where a pitcher scored 100 or higher. Ryan (twice), Johnson, Curt Schilling, Warren Spahn and Brandon Morrow scored 100; Ryan (with a 16-strikeout, two-walk no-hitter) and Sandy Koufax (his 14-strikeout perfect game) scored 101.

Kerry Wood's game? 105. Nine innings, one hit, no walks, 20 K's. Untouchable.

Cardsfan111
05-18-12, 04:01 PM
Just heard Wood struck out his only batter and received a standing ovation.

davidh777
05-18-12, 04:05 PM
Just heard Wood struck out his only batter and received a standing ovation.

cardsfan is god! :banana:

Wait a sec--I'm a Cubs fan and I just said that. :sad:

Cardsfan111
05-18-12, 04:12 PM
cardsfan is god! :banana:


Quoting before you delete this post. :lol:


Honestly, I thought the odds were higher of him struggling. In fact, I thought he might just try to throw a single strike and then call it a day and walk off.

Mordred
05-18-12, 04:31 PM
Not even close to Harvey Haddix's 1959 13-inning one-hitter (he had a perfect game through 12).That might have been the best game ever pitched, but in my mind dominant means something else. It's hard to call it the most dominant with only 8Ks and giving up a HR that was later changed to a double due to a base running gaffe. Milwaukee had 31 balls put into play; 30 that were handled by fielders. Wood only allowed 9 total, counting the single. That's just otherworldly dominance.

Plus, Wood got the win.

davidh777
05-18-12, 04:32 PM
Quoting before you delete this post. :lol:


Honestly, I thought the odds were higher of him struggling. In fact, I thought he might just try to throw a single strike and then call it a day and walk off.

Actually, one thing I've said before about this board is that it's taught me that not all Cardinals fans are devilspawn. :lol:

One of the summaries of Wood's career today has been "over 14 seasons and over 1,500 strikeouts." That per-season math is not what we expected after that one electrifying day in May 1998.

Shannon Nutt
05-18-12, 05:53 PM
Certainly a matter for debate, but not even close? Just because of the number of innings Haddix threw?

Yes, but I don't think anyone is close to Haddix here. 12 innings of perfect baseball. No one had done it before, no one has done it since (and is unlikely to). I'm pretty sure there have been NO extra inning perfect games in MLB history. 20 strikeouts IS impressive (especially for a rookie), but Clemens did that twice in his career. So, for me, 13 innings of 1-hit baseball trumps 9 innnings of 1-hit baseball "by far" (regardless of strikeouts).

But it IS open to debate, of course. :)

lordwow
05-18-12, 07:57 PM
Don't want to jinx it but:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AlYu.YQuE1vCPXx740WmiogRvLYF?gid=320518106

dolphinboy
05-18-12, 08:06 PM
Is MLB likely going to show the top of the 8th and/or the 9th to see Verlander live or are they contractually not allowed to leave the regional game they are showing (Boston/Phi)?

I'd like to see what happens.

edit: Holy crap, the top of the 9th is going to be nerve-wracking.

lordwow
05-18-12, 08:13 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20614977&partnerId=aw-6587176353262026864-996

auto
05-18-12, 08:14 PM
Ughhhhh. Going to biting my nails through the ninth.

Deftones
05-18-12, 08:17 PM
The rockies stadium security is bullshit. Last night a dbacks fan caught a rockies player hr. Rather than keep it, he threw it back on field. He was escorted out of the stadium and they may file charges. Wtf? Tons of teams have no issue with that practice. I have been to at least 5 different stadiums where it is not a problem. What a joke.

lordwow
05-18-12, 08:20 PM
A problem? Isn't that expected? I guess in Rockies Stadium though throwing back a HR ball may end up hitting the catcher.

Mordred
05-18-12, 08:24 PM
MLB Network is showing the game live now.

starman9000
05-18-12, 08:27 PM
-popcorn-

Mordred
05-18-12, 08:29 PM
Lost it with 1 out in the 8th.

starman9000
05-18-12, 08:29 PM
-waamp wah-

lordwow
05-18-12, 08:30 PM
Damn that sucks, he looked nasty.

starman9000
05-18-12, 08:30 PM
He just didn't want to buy the catcher anything.

dolphinboy
05-18-12, 08:30 PM
That was worse than losing the game.

Cory02
05-18-12, 08:30 PM
Damn...sucks to see that.

auto
05-18-12, 08:30 PM
Goddamn it.

Cardsfan111
05-18-12, 08:31 PM
I didn't jinx him by mentioning it, but as soon as I tuned in, the first pitch I saw was hit into center field. :(

JumpCutz
05-18-12, 08:32 PM
Awesome! :banana:

Deftones
05-18-12, 08:33 PM
Awwww suck for verlander. :(

dsa_shea
05-18-12, 09:30 PM
Dodgers stadium is one ugly place to watch a game. Tonight it is like a barren wasteland. There are some people scattered here and there. Whoever chose the colors of the seats really went against the grain.

B.A.
05-19-12, 12:52 AM
Motherfucking bullpen. :mad:

The pitching staff needs to walk a few more people on a daily basis.

Cory02
05-19-12, 01:02 AM
Motherfucking bullpen. :mad:

The pitching staff needs to walk a few more people on a daily basis.

Scrabble is the only Cards reliever I can stand to watch at this point.