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Buttmunker
05-17-12, 08:29 AM
I guess you'd paint me a "fair-weather" Rolling Stones fan. I love the hits, but really don't like the album cuts on their early albums. Either too shit-kicking, or too blusey. I know they were a "blues band," but their hits are not blues, they're rock.

For example, this weekend I tried to seek out some album cuts from the Stones early albums, like Yesterday's Paper from "Between The Buttons," and Prodigal Son from "Beggars Banquet," and I found them unlistenable. Hard to believe its from the same band that put out Ruby Tuesday and Mother's Little Helper.

Maybe I just listened to "the wrong songs." Are there any album cuts that you could recommend that aren't "hillbilly" or "slow blues numbers?"

The Infidel
05-17-12, 08:39 AM
I don't even like their hits. For some reason, I've never been able to stand the Rolling Stones. Not a bit.

The Bus
05-17-12, 09:02 AM
"Rip This Joint"

Hokeyboy
05-17-12, 09:24 AM
If you can't love Exile on Main St, please put on your Pol Pot costume and smile for the camera.

cdollaz
05-17-12, 10:02 AM
If you can't love <b>Sticky Fingers</B>, please put on your Pol Pot costume and smile for the camera.

Hiro11
05-17-12, 11:36 AM
If you can't love Aftermath please put on your Pol Pot costume and smile for the camera.

foofighters7
05-17-12, 11:44 AM
I don't know how people can't love the Stones. Their output from 68-72' is one of the best runs in Rock History.

I love the Stones but even if you're only a casual fan 'Beggars Banquet', 'Let It Bleed', 'Sticky Fingers' and 'Exile on Main St.' are must owns.

arminius
05-17-12, 11:56 AM
I guess you'd paint me a "fair-weather" Rolling Stones fan. I love the hits, but really don't like the album cuts on their early albums. Either too shit-kicking, or too blusey. I know they were a "blues band," but their hits are not blues, they're rock.

For example, this weekend I tried to seek out some album cuts from the Stones early albums, like Yesterday's Paper from "Between The Buttons," and Prodigal Son from "Beggars Banquet," and I found them unlistenable. Hard to believe its from the same band that put out Ruby Tuesday and Mother's Little Helper.

Maybe I just listened to "the wrong songs." Are there any album cuts that you could recommend that aren't "hillbilly" or "slow blues numbers?"

Try Factory Girl and Love in Vain.

grenier
05-17-12, 08:54 PM
I don't even like their hits. For some reason, I've never been able to stand the Rolling Stones. Not a bit.

I thought I was the only one who felt this way.

whotony
05-17-12, 09:08 PM
I don't know how people can't love the Stones. Their output from 68-72' is one of the best runs in Rock History.

I love the Stones but even if you're only a casual fan 'Beggars Banquet', 'Let It Bleed', 'Sticky Fingers' and 'Exile on Main St.' are must owns.

I dont like the Stones mostly because I don't like the way their music sounds.

TerryW
05-18-12, 04:41 AM
Here's a few LP tracks to mull over:
01 - Can I Get a Witness - The Rolling Stones (1964)
02 - Everybody Needs Somebody to Love - The Rolling Stones No. 2 (1965)
03 - You Can't Catch Me - The Rolling Stones No. 2 (1965)
04 - Down the Road Apiece - The Rolling Stones No. 2 (1965)
05 - She Said Yeah - Out of Our Heads (UK) (1965)
06 - Doncha Bother Me - Aftermath (UK) (1966)
07 - High and Dry - Aftermath (UK) (1966)
08 - It's Not Easy - Aftermath (UK) (1966)
09 - Think - Aftermath (UK) (1966)
10 - Back Street Girl - Between the Buttons (UK) (1967)
11 - Please Go Home - Between the Buttons (UK) (1967)
12 - Complicated - Between the Buttons (UK) (1967)
13 - Citadel - Their Satanic Majesties Request (1967)
14 - Stray Cat Blues - Beggars Banquet (1968)
15 - Salt of the Earth - Beggars Banquet (1968)
16 - Live with Me - Let it Bleed (1969)
17 - Monkey Man - Let it Bleed (1969)
18 - Can't You Hear Me Knocking - Sticky Fingers (1971)
19 - Dead Flowers - Sticky Fingers (1971)
20 - Rocks Off - Exile on Main St. (1972)
21 - Rip This Joint - Exile on Main St. (1972)
22 - Loving Cup - Exile on Main St. (1972)
23 - All Down the Line - Exile on Main St. (1972)
24 - Shine a Light - Exile on Main St. (1972)
25 - Dancing with Mr. D - Goats Head Soup (1973)
26 - Silver Train - Goats Head Soup (1973)
27 - Star Star - Goats Head Soup (1973)
28 - If You Can't Rock Me - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
29 - Time Waits for No One - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
30 - Luxury - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
31 - Dance Little Sister - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
32 - Fingerprint File - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
33 - Hand of Fate - Black and Blue (1976)
34 - Memory Motel - Black and Blue (1976)
35 - Hey Negrita - Black and Blue (1976)
36 - Crazy Mama - Black and Blue (1976)
37 - When the Whip Comes Down - Some Girls (1978)
38 - Lies - Some Girls (1978)
39 - Summer Romance - Emotional Rescue (1980)
40 - Where the Boys Go - Emotional Rescue (1980)
41 - Slave - Tattoo You (1981)
42 - Little T&A - Tattoo You (1981)
43 - Neighbours - Tattoo You (1981)
44 - Heaven - Tattoo You (1981)
45 - Too Tough - Undercover (1983)
46 - Fight - Dirty Work (1986)
47 - Hold Back - Dirty Work (1986)
48 - Had It with You - Dirty Work (1986)
49 - Sad Sad Sad - Steel Wheels (1989)
50 - Hold On to Your Hat - Steel Wheels (1989)
51 - Break the Spell - Steel Wheels (1989)
52 - Sparks Will Fly - Voodoo Lounge (1994)
53 - Suck on the Jugular - Voodoo Lounge (1994)
54 - Blinded By Rainbows - Voodoo Lounge (1994)
55 - Mean Disposition - Voodoo Lounge (1994)
56 - Flip the Switch - Bridges to Babylon (1997)
57 - Too Tight - Bridges to Babylon (1997)
58 - Back of My Hand - A Bigger Bang (2005)
59 - Oh No, Not You Again - A Bigger Bang (2005)
60 - Look What the Cat Dragged In - A Bigger Bang (2005)
61 - Driving Too Fast - A Bigger Bang (2005)

Buttmunker
05-18-12, 08:46 AM
Here's a few LP tracks to mull over:
01 - Can I Get a Witness - The Rolling Stones (1964)
02 - Everybody Needs Somebody to Love - The Rolling Stones No. 2 (1965)
03 - You Can't Catch Me - The Rolling Stones No. 2 (1965)
04 - Down the Road Apiece - The Rolling Stones No. 2 (1965)
05 - She Said Yeah - Out of Our Heads (UK) (1965)
06 - Doncha Bother Me - Aftermath (UK) (1966)
07 - High and Dry - Aftermath (UK) (1966)
08 - It's Not Easy - Aftermath (UK) (1966)
09 - Think - Aftermath (UK) (1966)
10 - Back Street Girl - Between the Buttons (UK) (1967)
11 - Please Go Home - Between the Buttons (UK) (1967)
12 - Complicated - Between the Buttons (UK) (1967)
13 - Citadel - Their Satanic Majesties Request (1967)
14 - Stray Cat Blues - Beggars Banquet (1968)
15 - Salt of the Earth - Beggars Banquet (1968)
16 - Live with Me - Let it Bleed (1969)
17 - Monkey Man - Let it Bleed (1969)
18 - Can't You Hear Me Knocking - Sticky Fingers (1971)
19 - Dead Flowers - Sticky Fingers (1971)
20 - Rocks Off - Exile on Main St. (1972)
21 - Rip This Joint - Exile on Main St. (1972)
22 - Loving Cup - Exile on Main St. (1972)
23 - All Down the Line - Exile on Main St. (1972)
24 - Shine a Light - Exile on Main St. (1972)
25 - Dancing with Mr. D - Goats Head Soup (1973)
26 - Silver Train - Goats Head Soup (1973)
27 - Star Star - Goats Head Soup (1973)
28 - If You Can't Rock Me - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
29 - Time Waits for No One - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
30 - Luxury - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
31 - Dance Little Sister - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
32 - Fingerprint File - It's Only Rock 'N Roll (1974)
33 - Hand of Fate - Black and Blue (1976)
34 - Memory Motel - Black and Blue (1976)
35 - Hey Negrita - Black and Blue (1976)
36 - Crazy Mama - Black and Blue (1976)
37 - When the Whip Comes Down - Some Girls (1978)
38 - Lies - Some Girls (1978)
39 - Summer Romance - Emotional Rescue (1980)
40 - Where the Boys Go - Emotional Rescue (1980)
41 - Slave - Tattoo You (1981)
42 - Little T&A - Tattoo You (1981)
43 - Neighbours - Tattoo You (1981)
44 - Heaven - Tattoo You (1981)
45 - Too Tough - Undercover (1983)
46 - Fight - Dirty Work (1986)
47 - Hold Back - Dirty Work (1986)
48 - Had It with You - Dirty Work (1986)
49 - Sad Sad Sad - Steel Wheels (1989)
50 - Hold On to Your Hat - Steel Wheels (1989)
51 - Break the Spell - Steel Wheels (1989)
52 - Sparks Will Fly - Voodoo Lounge (1994)
53 - Suck on the Jugular - Voodoo Lounge (1994)
54 - Blinded By Rainbows - Voodoo Lounge (1994)
55 - Mean Disposition - Voodoo Lounge (1994)
56 - Flip the Switch - Bridges to Babylon (1997)
57 - Too Tight - Bridges to Babylon (1997)
58 - Back of My Hand - A Bigger Bang (2005)
59 - Oh No, Not You Again - A Bigger Bang (2005)
60 - Look What the Cat Dragged In - A Bigger Bang (2005)
61 - Driving Too Fast - A Bigger Bang (2005)

Wow - no mention of Out of Time from Aftermath? That's one cool album track (heard it for the first time while watching the movie "Coming Home").

TGM
05-18-12, 08:50 AM
other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

TerryW
05-18-12, 09:41 AM
Wow - no mention of Out of Time from Aftermath? That's one cool album track (heard it for the first time while watching the movie "Coming Home").

Out of Time was released as a single in 1975 (albeit the shorter demo version from Metamorphosis but still).

Buttmunker
05-18-12, 09:48 AM
Out of Time was released as a single in 1975 (albeit the shorter demo version from Metamorphosis but still).

I think you're wrong about that. There's no listing for this song as a single release - a cover by Chris Farlowe was, but not by the Stones.

TerryW
05-19-12, 11:58 AM
I think you're wrong about that. There's no listing for this song as a single release - a cover by Chris Farlowe was, but not by the Stones.

Released in June 1975, Metamorphosis came out the same day as the band's authorized hits collection Made in the Shade and was also seen to be cashing in on The Rolling Stones' summer Tour of the Americas. While the critical reaction was lukewarm (many felt some of the songs were best left unreleased), Metamorphosis still managed to reach #8 in the US, though it only made #45 in the UK. Two singles, "Out of Time" (featuring Jagger singing over the same backing track used for Chris Farlowe's 1966 version) and a cover of Stevie Wonder's "I Don't Know Why" briefly made the singles charts.

"Out of Time" – 3:22
Recorded 27–30 April 1966
The demo—with Jagger on lead vocal—for Chris Farlowe's hit single version

It then appeared on the 1975 ABKCO compilation album Metamorphosis. This version was, in fact, the backing track from the Chris Farlowe version, only with a Mick Jagger lead vocal. It was also released as a single, reaching #45 in the UK.

Mike86
05-19-12, 04:43 PM
I like The Rolling Stones but I'm really only a casual fan. The only albums I own are the essentials (Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed, Exile on Main Steet, Sticky Fingers) plus A Bigger Bang.

TerryW
05-19-12, 07:15 PM
I like The Rolling Stones but I'm really only a casual fan. The only albums I own are the essentials (Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed, Exile on Main Steet, Sticky Fingers) plus A Bigger Bang.

I agree with that list. I would add Voodoo Lounge. That really is a masterpiece.

Michael Corvin
05-19-12, 08:05 PM
I don't even like their hits. For some reason, I've never been able to stand the Rolling Stones. Not a bit.

I thought I was the only one who felt this way.

I dont like the Stones mostly because I don't like the way their music sounds.

:wave:

Is this becoming a support group? :lol: The list of songs I enjoy from the Stones begins and ends with Paint it Black. Any other tune comes on the radio, the station gets changed.

Supermallet
05-19-12, 08:08 PM
I agree with that list. I would add Voodoo Lounge. That really is a masterpiece.

Voodoo Lounge a masterpiece? Huh? The only two songs I can even stand to listen to from that album anymore are Love Is Strong and The Worst. I think Bridges To Babylon is much stronger than Voodoo Lounge and neither are masterpieces.

cdollaz
05-19-12, 11:16 PM
I like Voodoo Lounge alot as well. Tons mor than Bridges To Bbylon, which is a chore to listn to.

JAA
05-20-12, 06:31 AM
I agree with that list. I would add Voodoo Lounge. That really is a masterpiece.

Not sure about that, but I would add Black and Blue. :)

TerryW
05-20-12, 08:05 AM
The only two songs I don't care for on VL are the Keith Richards tunes. The Worst lives up to its name IMO. The LP tracks on BnB are much better than the singles released, Hot Stuff and Fool to Cry.

Applejack
05-20-12, 09:48 AM
If you want a good taste of classic era rolling stones, I would buy The Singles Collection: The London Years. All of the classic singles, and some awesome B-sides.

http://www.amazon.com/Singles-Collection-The-London-Years/dp/B00006EXED/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337525047&sr=1-2

I actually own all of the Rolling Stones CDs except Metamorphosis. If I could only keep one, this is the one I would keep. A better overview of everything through Beggar's Banquet than Hot Rocks.

Also, I believe that the songs that are supposed to be in mono are in mono which is different from the other releases

TerryW
05-20-12, 11:00 AM
If you want a good taste of classic era rolling stones, I would buy The Singles Collection: The London Years. All of the classic singles, and some awesome B-sides.

Out of Time is also on this collection BTW.

Supermallet
05-20-12, 12:39 PM
The version of Out of Time on that collection, IIRC, is an alternate version from Metamorphosis with strings that, IMO, is better than the version on Aftermath.

TerryW
05-20-12, 04:28 PM
The version of Out of Time on that collection, IIRC, is an alternate version from Metamorphosis with strings that, IMO, is better than the version on Aftermath.

Yes, is does have strings. I like it as well but still prefer the original.

CapRockBrewingCo.
05-20-12, 05:59 PM
If you can't love Exile on Main St, please put on your Pol Pot costume and smile for the camera.

:thumbsup: This is on my desert island list. Every track on this album is good - and yet none would be considered big mainstream hits.

My second favorite RS album would be Beggars Banquet.

Supermallet
05-20-12, 07:02 PM
Exile is their best, followed by Sticky Fingers, then Let It Bleed, then Between The Buttons (UK version). Some Girls rounds out the top five.

bigjim25
05-20-12, 10:47 PM
They are more of a live group. When are they going to release a live CD? :lol:

rw2516
05-21-12, 07:02 AM
They are more of a live group. When are they going to release a live CD? :lol:

FYI. They've put up for download from Stones site three shows. Brussells 1973, LA 1975 and Hampton 1981. $5 apiece. Excellent sound.

rw2516
05-21-12, 07:22 AM
Exile is their best, followed by Sticky Fingers, then Let It Bleed, then Between The Buttons (UK version). Some Girls rounds out the top five.

My top five(in order)
1. Let It Bleed
2. Beggars
3. Exile
4. Sticky
5. Some Girls

I in now way allude that Goat's Head Soup is one of their best, but it's my favorite. I think it's it's a good solid album, no masterpiece. Overall consensus seems to rate it as mediocre. Curious what people consider it's major flaws.

Funkpie
05-21-12, 12:11 PM
I don't even like their hits. For some reason, I've never been able to stand the Rolling Stones. Not a bit.

The pop stuff is their worst aspect, IMO. Their bluesier stuff is ok, even in spite of Mick Jagger. Keith Richards is a total hack though, and the band wouldn't have been anything without Mick Taylor.

Mordred
05-21-12, 12:15 PM
If you can't love Exile on Main St, please put on your Pol Pot costume and smile for the camera.I can't figure it out, but I really don't enjoy Exile. Maybe I need to give it more of an effort, but I don't remember anything really grabbing me from that album. Pretty sure I've like every other album they've released before Bigger Bang, so it's just something about Exile. I can't figure out what everybody else is hearing that I'm missing, because I obviously like The Rolling Stones a lot.

statcat
05-21-12, 12:29 PM
Aftermath is my favorite album by them.

Satanic Majesties Request gets a ton of slack but I think it's an interesting psychedelic album. A few terrible songs but I like most of it.

Buttmunker
05-21-12, 12:41 PM
I don't even like their hits. For some reason, I've never been able to stand the Rolling Stones. Not a bit.

It was a "minor" hit (peaked at #25) - but I just recently discovered She's A Rainbow from their Satanic Majesties Request album....and it's fantastic!

statcat
05-21-12, 12:53 PM
they were definitely listening to She Comes in Colors by Love when they wrote that.

Buttmunker
05-21-12, 12:58 PM
Satanic Majesties Request gets a ton of slack but I think it's an interesting psychedelic album. A few terrible songs but I like most of it.

Can you point out the "terrible" from the "listenable?"

I know I once heard their opening number (with backing vocals by Lennon & McCartney, for gosh sake!) and it was terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE!! (the Fab Two should have sang on She's A Rainbow - LOL)

After that opening number ("Sing This All Together"), I stopped listening. Maybe I missed something, because I know I missed She's A Rainbow, so I know I maybe missed some other goodies.

Hokeyboy
05-21-12, 01:01 PM
I can't figure it out, but I really don't enjoy Exile. Maybe I need to give it more of an effort, but I don't remember anything really grabbing me from that album. Pretty sure I've like every other album they've released before Bigger Bang, so it's just something about Exile. I can't figure out what everybody else is hearing that I'm missing, because I obviously like The Rolling Stones a lot.
I love it for everything it is: a rambling, sometimes sloppy, basement-recorded exercise in self-indulgence that nonetheless comes together as a fantastic album experience and a collection of great songs that hang together better than any other Stones album. Exile is one of those albums that I can never just pick and choose from. It's almost always a start-to-finish experience, and an amazing one at that.

I agree with 'mallet that Between the Buttons is a Top 5'er for sure. But for some reasons I've never quite warmed up entirely to Some Girls.

cdollaz
05-21-12, 01:06 PM
Exile is a middle-of-the-pack Stones album for me. My top 5:

Sticky Fingers
Let It Bleed
Goats Head Soup
Some Girls
Tattoo You

Flashback
05-21-12, 03:36 PM
I remember hearing Rocks Off (1st song) from Exile... and that was it.
Loved the album right from the start.

Sticky Fingers is my favorite though, really love the song Sway which I do not believe is considered a hit song.

I did like Some Girls but maybe that was influenced by growing up outside NYC.
Seemed like it was on all the time (Miss You/Shattered/Beast of Burden) but I really do like Before They Make Me Run which I do not believe was a hit song.

No worries though - not everyone like the Stones - or so I have heard ;)

bacigalup
05-21-12, 03:52 PM
Can you point out the "terrible" from the "listenable?"

I know I once heard their opening number (with backing vocals by Lennon & McCartney, for gosh sake!) and it was terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE!! (the Fab Two should have sang on She's A Rainbow - LOL)

After that opening number ("Sing This All Together"), I stopped listening. Maybe I missed something, because I know I missed She's A Rainbow, so I know I maybe missed some other goodies.

Wow, you mean the 2nd song following it, Citadel, turned you off ???

To me, Citadel,She's a Rainbow, & 2000 Light Years from Home are the best cuts off the album.

Thank God this was their only foray into psychedelic music!!! :)

rw2516
05-21-12, 05:32 PM
I love it for everything it is: a rambling, sometimes sloppy, basement-recorded exercise in self-indulgence that nonetheless comes together as a fantastic album experience and a collection of great songs that hang together better than any other Stones album. Exile is one of those albums that I can never just pick and choose from. It's almost always a start-to-finish experience, and an amazing one at that.


The Stones are notorious for over recording. From the Some Girls sessions they had enough left over for the entire Emotional Rescue album and most of Tattoo You(which is all leftovers). Plus the extra disc of leftovers just released. After recording Some Girls in '78 they didn't record any new stuff till '84 for Undercover. There's enough Voodoo Lounge leftovers for 2-3 more albums.
With Exile I have to wonder if they just decided to use more of the stuff they had. Buried within Exile it may be possible to find a single LP follow up to Sticky Fingers.

Buttmunker
05-22-12, 07:48 AM
Does anybody else feel that, with the loss of Brian Jones in 1969, that the Stones lacked something going forward? Some little ingredient that Brian provided to the songs he had a part of - like the recorder (flute) on Ruby Tuesday, or the sitar on Paint It Black, or the mellotron on She's A Rainbow, or the mirimba on Under My Thumb and Out of Time.

The Stones were obviously good after Jones' death, but afterwards they became a straight-up rock band - but without the little niceties that Brian provided.

cdollaz
05-22-12, 08:11 AM
Does anybody else feel that, with the loss of Brian Jones in 1969, that the Stones lacked something going forward?

No.

statcat
05-22-12, 08:40 AM
Can you point out the "terrible" from the "listenable?"

I know I once heard their opening number (with backing vocals by Lennon & McCartney, for gosh sake!) and it was terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE!! (the Fab Two should have sang on She's A Rainbow - LOL)

After that opening number ("Sing This All Together"), I stopped listening. Maybe I missed something, because I know I missed She's A Rainbow, so I know I maybe missed some other goodies.

I like Citadel, 2000 Man, The Lantern, 2000 Light Years From Home. 2000 Light Years from Home is my favorite song on it. The Pretty Things had a way better transition from blues rock to psychedelic music than the stones did.

statcat
05-22-12, 10:21 AM
Does anybody else feel that, with the loss of Brian Jones in 1969, that the Stones lacked something going forward? Some little ingredient that Brian provided to the songs he had a part of - like the recorder (flute) on Ruby Tuesday, or the sitar on Paint It Black, or the mellotron on She's A Rainbow, or the mirimba on Under My Thumb and Out of Time.

The Stones were obviously good after Jones' death, but afterwards they became a straight-up rock band - but without the little niceties that Brian provided.

yes I do think so, but for me the cut off point with the stones is when Mick Taylor was out.

foofighters7
05-22-12, 01:45 PM
Brian Jones was terrific and added a great deal to the early Stones. It was all about the extra instrument he introduced to the song.


<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/aykA1YCHSbk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Check out these 3 terrific songs and see that he is playing a different instrument in each song. The instrument adds SO Freakin' much to these songs. I feel if he didn't go off the rails like he did he could have been terrific once he came into his own with songwriting.

Still, The Stones were and are great without him. Who knows what could have been.

Buttmunker
05-22-12, 03:06 PM
Brian Jones was terrific and added a great deal to the early Stones. It was all about the extra instrument he introduced to the song.

The instrument adds SO Freakin' much to these songs.

I emphatically agree. You can have a hundred guitar players, but if you add a recorder to the mix, it makes it just that much more special.

I'm waiting patiently for a DVD set that features all their promotional videos and TV performances. I recently ordered the Ed Sullivan 6 Shows, and I suppose that will have to satisfy me for now. Maybe, now that it is the 50th Anniversary of the band, they'll give us something akin to "The Beatles Anthology."

Supermallet
05-22-12, 04:11 PM
Brian Jones had been sidelined within The Stones since 1965. Originally The Stones were his band. It was a blues band, he was the leader, and that was it. Then their manager encouraged Mick and Keith to write rock songs and within a year Jones was relegated to being a sideman in his own band. This is actually way he's playing so many different instruments, because Mick and Keith would push him off in a corner and he'd mess around with stuff while they wrote.

Jones lost himself in drugs long before he died. He barely plays on Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed because he had no interest in coming to the sessions and no one wanted him there when he did show up. Keith plays almost all the guitar parts on Let It Bleed.

The Rolling Stones weren't like The Beatles. While The Beatles were John and Paul's band, they encouraged George and Ringo throughout the band's career. The Stones were vicious to each other. Mick and Keith picked on Brian relentlessly. I read an anecdote about how once Charlie Watts made a suggestion and Mick and Keith started cracking up and ran around the studio telling everyone how Charlie had spoken up and suggested something. Mick Taylor has often spoken about how Keith would be incredibly vicious to him throughout his tenure with the band.

Anyway, I think The Stones hit a creative peak from 69-72, which is post-Brian Jones, but I think their 60's stuff has a unique sound and it's due to Jones' tinkering.

kd5
05-22-12, 05:48 PM
I used to like The Rolling Stones' early stuff (2000 Light Years From Home, She Comes In Colors), but I can't STAND their newer stuff, can't STAND 'Beast Of Burden' or 'Angie', that shit just makes me cringe when I hear it. Their early stuff was OK, but even though I have almost 500 albums in my collection, I don't have a single LP (or cassette or CD) by The Rolling Stones and I don't care to own any...:) -kd5-

dhmac
05-22-12, 06:31 PM
I remember the first time I saw Rock and Roll Circus and I was like "Who the hell is that blonde guy playing with the Stones?"

Yeah, I found out that was Brian Jones.

The Stones sound did change going into the '70s, but I'm one who doubts that was due to Brian Jones being gone and is more likely the evolution of the band.

foofighters7
05-22-12, 07:08 PM
Well, clearly it was the evolution of the band. Brian Jones output in the band had all but dried up before he was booted and died. The sound was changing even while Brian was there.

I think it was inevitable that he would leave due in part to the back seat he was forced to take. I do, however, think that he could have been a great solo artist if he decided to do more songwriting. He never felt very secure in his writing abilities but I'm sure he could have worked it out.

Buttmunker
05-22-12, 08:07 PM
I used to like The Rolling Stones' early stuff (2000 Light Years From Home, She Comes In Colors), but I can't STAND their newer stuff Beast Of Burden' or 'Angie', that shit just makes me cringe when I hear it. -kd5-

newer stuff :lol: 40 year old "new stuff."

Buttmunker
05-22-12, 08:12 PM
The Rolling Stones weren't like The Beatles. While The Beatles were John and Paul's band, they encouraged George and Ringo throughout the band's career.

The Beatles were John's band, actually, and John and Paul didn't really give the encouragement you mentioned to George's songs, because George was basically on his own. John certaiinly didn't help, although Paul may have had a tad more influence...but the magic wasn't there on George's compositions (at least, not until Abbey Road), and that's because Paul and John were off working on their own stuff.

And the Beatles were vicious with one another towards the end...John was tired of being Paul's back-up musician in the band, after all, and that don't sound like a bloke who's happy with his mates. Paul turned into a control-freak.

And if you don't think Mick and Keith turned into control-freaks early on after they started writing the band's hits, you got another think coming.

Buttmunker
05-22-12, 08:15 PM
John Lennon said to Brian Jones in 1968 or '69 that Brian should branch off and start a new band on his own, that he had the talent to do so (Brian had, after all, played that excellent sax solo on The Beatles song You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)), but Brian turned up dead in his swimming pool not too long after that conversation.

http://www.beertripper.com/OffTopic/RocknRoll/Brian_Jones/Brian_Jones_playing_guitar_crowd.jpg

Hail, Brian.

Hokeyboy
05-22-12, 08:22 PM
newer stuff :lol: 40 year old "new stuff."
Tattoo You is 31 years old. I still consider that "newer" Stones :)

(I bought that record with my birthday money. Loved "Start Me Up" when I heard it on Solid Gold. My brother explained to me what T&A meant. I was flabbergasted!)

Buttmunker
05-22-12, 08:34 PM
There's an area of houses near my old homestead in the Bronx that, when it was built in 1978, was dubbed by us kids, "The New Houses."

30+ years later, there are even newer developments around the old homestead in the Bronx, but that one little development done in '78 is still called by us grown-kids "The New Houses."

Some impressions never change as we grow - certainly music is no exception to this, so I concer with you, Hokeyboy. Point taken.

JANK
05-22-12, 08:51 PM
Get Your Ya-Yas Out for the live version of Midnight Rambler. The studio version is great but ya gotta hear the live version too.

Supermallet
05-22-12, 08:56 PM
The Beatles were John's band, actually, and John and Paul didn't really give the encouragement you mentioned to George's songs, because George was basically on his own. John certaiinly didn't help, although Paul may have had a tad more influence...but the magic wasn't there on George's compositions (at least, not until Abbey Road), and that's because Paul and John were off working on their own stuff.

And the Beatles were vicious with one another towards the end...John was tired of being Paul's back-up musician in the band, after all, and that don't sound like a bloke who's happy with his mates. Paul turned into a control-freak.

And if you don't think Mick and Keith turned into control-freaks early on after they started writing the band's hits, you got another think coming.

The Beatles were vicious to each other at the end when they were breaking up. Mick and Keith bared their teeth much earlier on.

Buttmunker
05-22-12, 09:51 PM
Get Your Ya-Yas Out for the live version of Midnight Rambler. The studio version is great but ya gotta hear the live version too.

Funny you should mention Midnight Rambler, which originally appeared in 1969's Let It Bleed album - and it was the last album Brian Jones appeared on, as he played on the song. It was "fitting," too, since Jones was always pushing for more blues-orientated recordings, and he got to appear on a great one before he was let go from the band.

(I know it isn't his last Stones recording, but it was the last official album Jones appeared on.)

Buttmunker
05-22-12, 10:14 PM
Will we ever get a version of The Rolling Stones doing their hit As Tears Go By without the strings? I'd love to just hear it with the guitar pickins'.

I found a version of The Beatles Yesterday without strings - Just McCartney strumming away on his guitar, and it's fantastic as a standalone. And I'm not talking about the version found on "Anthology," either, as that is an alternative version. But the official version sans strings.

rw2516
05-23-12, 05:56 AM
Mick Taylor has often spoken about how Keith would be incredibly vicious to him throughout his tenure with the band.


Taylor has gotten his revenge, and regularly takes it to bank. He was made an official member of the Stones. He has received an equal share of all the money the Stones(as an economic entity) have earned since he left. Not just from recordings he's on, he received just as much from the later tours and albums as the rest of them, even more than Ron Wood earned from them.
This irks Mick and Keith so much they decided "never again" and have never made Ron Wood an official member of the band. He's hired help. He's paid session fee(albeit a high one) for playing on the recordings, and hired to go on tour with them just like any other muscians they hire to go with them.

Mordred
05-23-12, 08:24 AM
After reading this thread I re-listened to Exile yesterday. Still pretty much a chore to get through for me. "Rocks Off" is an okay opener. "Tumbling Dice" is actually a pretty good song and "Sweet Virginia" isn't bad. Around "Ventilator Blues" I'm checking my watch and then really anxious for it to end around "Stop Breaking Down." I don't think it's ever going to click for me.

Flashback
05-23-12, 09:06 AM
After reading this thread I re-listened to Exile yesterday. Still pretty much a chore to get through for me. "Rocks Off" is an okay opener. "Tumbling Dice" is actually a pretty good song and "Sweet Virginia" isn't bad. Around "Ventilator Blues" I'm checking my watch and then really anxious for it to end around "Stop Breaking Down." I don't think it's ever going to click for me.

It's just not your thing and you are definitely not alone in that opinion. There is nothing wrong with that. Maybe you should just make a short version with what you like.

Shit, I can't count all the people telling me to listen to OK, Kid and the Bends by Radiohead as they are 'so great.' I've tried many times and I can't stand it.
Oh well.

arminius
05-23-12, 09:31 AM
Brian Jones had been sidelined within The Stones since 1965. Originally The Stones were his band. It was a blues band, he was the leader, and that was it. Then their manager encouraged Mick and Keith to write rock songs and within a year Jones was relegated to being a sideman in his own band. This is actually way he's playing so many different instruments, because Mick and Keith would push him off in a corner and he'd mess around with stuff while they wrote.

Jones lost himself in drugs long before he died. He barely plays on Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed because he had no interest in coming to the sessions and no one wanted him there when he did show up. Keith plays almost all the guitar parts on Let It Bleed.

The Rolling Stones weren't like The Beatles. While The Beatles were John and Paul's band, they encouraged George and Ringo throughout the band's career. The Stones were vicious to each other. Mick and Keith picked on Brian relentlessly. I read an anecdote about how once Charlie Watts made a suggestion and Mick and Keith started cracking up and ran around the studio telling everyone how Charlie had spoken up and suggested something. Mick Taylor has often spoken about how Keith would be incredibly vicious to him throughout his tenure with the band.

Anyway, I think The Stones hit a creative peak from 69-72, which is post-Brian Jones, but I think their 60's stuff has a unique sound and it's due to Jones' tinkering.

Charlie and Mick were the ones that did the tour planning and stage design stuff. That anecdote may be true but Charlie is very much involved in what The Stones do and is not just a player.

From wiki

Besides his musical creativity, Watts contributed graphic art to early records such as the Between the Buttons record sleeve and was responsible for the 1975 tour announcement press conference in New York City. The band surprised the throng of waiting reporters by driving and playing "Brown Sugar" on the back of a flatbed truck in the middle of Manhattan traffic; a gimmick AC/DC copied later the same year, Status Quo repeated the trick for the 1984 video to "The Wanderer" and U2 would later emulate it in the 2004 video for "All Because of You". Watts remembered this was a common way for New Orleans jazz bands to promote upcoming dates. Moreover, with Jagger, he designed the elaborate stages for tours, first contributing to the lotus-shaped design of that 1975 Tour of the Americas, as well as the 19891990 Steel Wheels/Urban Jungle Tour, the 1997 Bridges to Babylon Tour, the 2002-2003 Licks Tour, and the 2005-2007 A Bigger Bang Tour.

There are many instances where Jagger and Richards have lauded Watts as the key member of The Rolling Stones. Richards went so far as to say in a 2005 Guitar Player magazine interview that the Rolling Stones would not be, or could not continue as, the Rolling Stones without Watts. An example of Watts's importance was demonstrated in 1993, after Bill Wyman had left the band. After auditioning several bassists, Jagger and Richards asked Watts to choose the new bass player. Watts selected the respected session musician Darryl Jones, who had previously been a sideman for both Miles Davis and Sting.



Taylor has gotten his revenge, and regularly takes it to bank. He was made an official member of the Stones. He has received an equal share of all the money the Stones(as an economic entity) have earned since he left. Not just from recordings he's on, he received just as much from the later tours and albums as the rest of them, even more than Ron Wood earned from them.
This irks Mick and Keith so much they decided "never again" and have never made Ron Wood an official member of the band. He's hired help. He's paid session fee(albeit a high one) for playing on the recordings, and hired to go on tour with them just like any other muscians they hire to go with them.

Wood was made a full member in 1990. However I prefer Taylor. He was the perfect counterpoint to Keith. They should have let him get more involved in the writing, they would have been a better band than the current one with Woody. IMO.

Buttmunker
05-23-12, 09:36 AM
Shit, I can't count all the people telling me to listen to OK, Kid and the Bends by Radiohead as they are 'so great.' I've tried many times and I can't stand it.
Oh well.

I know what you mean - I try to get people "into" Weezer's Pinkerton, and when they say they still don't like it, I throw them out the window.

Buttmunker
05-23-12, 09:38 AM
That anecdote may be true but Charlie is very much involved in what The Stones do and is not just a player.

Maybe so, but Keith mentioned in his book that Charlie was a very quiet person, and hardly ever spoke up...but when he did, people listened.

joefrog91
06-01-12, 11:11 PM
I like the blues covers the Stones did in the early days. Paint It Black is my all-time fave. But, just like the OP, I mostly like the hits. Songs like As Tears Go By and Angie are awful IMHO.

joefrog91
06-01-12, 11:12 PM
I know what you mean - I try to get people "into" Weezer's Pinkerton, and when they say they still don't like it, I throw them out the window.

Anyone that doesn't like Pinkerton is a Communist. :lol:

JANK
06-02-12, 06:08 PM
I like the blues covers the Stones did in the early days. Paint It Black is my all-time fave. But, just like the OP, I mostly like the hits. Songs like As Tears Go By and Angie are awful IMHO.

Strange, As Tears Go By is one of my favorites (especially that phase they went through) but I can agree with you on Angie a little.

Hiro11
06-04-12, 11:34 AM
Top 5 Stones albums for me:
1. Let it Bleed
2. Exile
3. Aftermath
4. Sticky Fingers
5. Between the Buttons

I'm a sucker for their relatively non-bluesy 1966-67 period. "She Smiled Sweetly" might be my favorite Stones track, which is a really weird choice, I'll admit.

"Monkey Man" and "Happy" (greatest guitar riff of all time?) rank highly with me as well, so whatever.

Sticky Fingers and Begger's Banquet are obviously both classics, just don't personally like them as much as these others.

Buttmunker
06-07-12, 12:51 PM
I'm really digging Jumpin' Jack Flash at the moment, really for the very first time in my life. Never really got into it before, and it's one helluva song, by gum!

dvdjunkie32
06-07-12, 03:25 PM
Anyone that doesn't like Pinkerton is a Communist. :lol:

Pinkerton sucks.

wm lopez
06-07-12, 03:32 PM
I like the blues covers the Stones did in the early days. Paint It Black is my all-time fave. But, just like the OP, I mostly like the hits. Songs like As Tears Go By and Angie are awful IMHO.
I like JUST MY IMAGINATION .

JANK
07-19-12, 07:38 AM
I like JUST MY IMAGINATION .

I believe you are somehow mixing up the Stones with the Temptations. Just My Imagination was done by The Temptations.

Buttmunker
07-19-12, 07:44 AM
The Stones covered it, which is what wm lopez was referring to.

JANK
07-19-12, 09:36 AM
The Stones covered it, which is what wm lopez was referring to.

Sorry my bad due to a Stones phase that I ignored. What album was that on? I suppose I 'could' look it up lol.

Eddie W
07-19-12, 10:52 AM
Sorry my bad due to a Stones phase that I ignored. What album was that on? I suppose I 'could' look it up lol.

Some Girls

wm lopez
07-26-12, 07:08 PM
Sorry my bad due to a Stones phase that I ignored. What album was that on? I suppose I 'could' look it up lol.

It's not as beautiful as The Temps, but it's a nice rock love version.

Hokeyboy
07-26-12, 08:29 PM
^Jeeze, what a hot-head. :(