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Old 04-15-12, 01:34 PM
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Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

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Tyrion finds Shae a job, and devises a clever ruse to ferret out a snitch at the Red Keep. Meanwhile, Jon Snow's compassion gets him and Mormont's crew in hot water at Craster's Keep, but Sam Tarly has a parting gift for Gilly; Catelyn pitches an alliance to Renly Baratheon in the Stormlands; Theon takes a bold stance to get back in his father's good graces; and Arya must think quickly when there's trouble on the road north.


Episode 3 of 10

Promo:

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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

I'm so excited to finally see
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I'm so excited to finally see
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It'll be interesting to see if they can actually make such a worthless character likeable.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

This is off topic, but I don't want it to get hurried in the spoilers- only thread, so ... Here's a link to the actor who played Syrio doing an AMA on reddit (for those unfamiliar, AMA means Ask Me Anything, and like the name implies, he's just answering questions from the Internet):

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment..._an_actor_you/
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

No sex!?! Fuck this episode!
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

This is getting brutal.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

Loved watching Theon's heel turn on screen.

No Dany
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

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Loved watching Theon's heel turn on screen.

No Dany
Agreed on both points.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

Were Tyrion's plans for Myrcella entirely dependent on which member of the Small Council betrayed him?
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

Tyrion is so much better at his game than Ned. He owned this ep.

I knew Yoren's death was coming, that didn't make it suck less. At least he went out in a blaze of glory.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

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Were Tyrion's plans for Myrcella entirely dependent on which member of the Small Council betrayed him?
Yes, he told them all different things to isolate the leak
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

Pretty sure Myrcella was going to Dorne no matter what. So they really weren't dependent on who leaked their personal story.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

I can't remember back to book 2 very well, but did everything happen that way with the greyjoys and their plan to take the north (mainly winterfell) as shown in this episode? I don't recall it being spelled out that clearly.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

I think they always
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planned to take the north but Theon came up with the bright idea to take Winterfell and impress his father.

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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

^ It wasn't. Also, almost all of the stuff with Renly aside from the tournament was made for this episode.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

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^ It wasn't. Also, almost all of the stuff with Renly aside from the tournament was made for this episode.
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I recall being surprised in the book, because it seemed like theon came up with it all on his own to rule winterfell.



Even though the stuff with renly was invented, it did a good job of covering a lot of ground without a ton of screen time.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

Originally Posted by Dave99
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I recall being surprised in the book, because it seemed like theon came up with it all on his own to rule winterfell.
And he probably will in this too. Theon is only supposed to harass the Stony Shore. Nothing has really changed.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

I wonder how many tuned in because of the SNL skit this weekend to be greeted by Renly.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

Dr DVD

Now THAT is a spoiler

Sorry, actionjackson needs he spoiler tags.

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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

I thought they cut together Tyrion's plan wonderfully. I wasn't quite sure how that was going to play out here, but they got right to it in a way that clearly spelled it out for the viewers who hadn't read before what exactly he was doing.

Once again, the show ends too abruptly. If only I had the willpower to wait until June 3rd to watch them all back-to-back.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

great as always
is it wrong to want to see a Margaery/Roz scene
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

Anybody who has anything to say bad about this series has to come through me in a mêlée. We are so fortunate to have such a magnificent production of this well-loved series. I'd say tonight episode ranked in the top 3 of both seasons so far. Dinklage is still tearing it up, but truly incredible casting all around. Brienne is a tower of strength. Great to see Natalie Dormer from the Tudors. The kids continue to be great and did Sophie Turner shoot up in height for what? She has great stance and posterior for a role that suggests she was trained, unlike Arya (who never excepted it) to be regal.

Sunday nights--The Borgias, Mad Men and this, it doesn't get better.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

Originally Posted by pinata242
I thought they cut together Tyrion's plan wonderfully. I wasn't quite sure how that was going to play out here, but they got right to it in a way that clearly spelled it out for the viewers who hadn't read before what exactly he was doing.
Yeah...it was fantastic.

Also..there's some discussion above of some stuff that wasn't actually said in this episode that people in the know seem to be inferring BECAUSE they know. There's at least two posts that need spoiler tags IMO. Hate for people to get shit ruined.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

MOD NOTE:

Please make sure to put any spoilers from the books in spoiler tags!

Any discussion about the book should be spoiler tagged or go in Book Talk.

Thanks!
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12

I missed Dany in this episode but was easily my favorite of this season. I have not read the books but LOVED the first season (to the point that I have watched it three times thus far and watched ALL the special features on the blu which I bought opening day).

I am sure in the long run it will pay off but this season seems overloaded with characters. We barely have enough time to hit upon characters that became fan favorites in season 1 - Snow was barely in this one, Dany not in it at all and I think we're at two in a row without Robb now. I don't yet care about people like Stannis Baratheon's entourage (from last episode) - although I suspect I eventually will. If only these episodes were 90 minutes long.


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