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davidh777
04-14-12, 01:41 AM
Pretty simple poll inspired by the new artist-centric trades, and I tried to collect the major figures (omissions most likely to come from the newer artists). My preference is Aparo since I grew up with The Brave and the Bold.

Neal Adams:

http://52pretzels.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/batman-by-neal-adams.jpg

Jim Aparo:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111019190832/batman/images/1/1e/Jim_aparo_and_bob_haney-1-._batman_-_wildcat._may_the_best_man_die._page._016.jpg

Bob Kane:

http://1979semifinalist.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/021-bob-kane.jpg

Sheldon Moldoff:

https://tytempletonart.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/batman156.jpg

Bruce Timm:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0b/Batman_the_Animated_Series_logo.jpg/200px-Batman_the_Animated_Series_logo.jpg

kgrogers1979
04-14-12, 03:48 AM
Norm Breyfogle

Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle in the late 80s and early 90s was the best thing ever. I liked Aparo as well, but Breyfogle was better in my opinion.

I never read the early 80s Brave and the Bold stuff with Aparo, so I only know his later 80s work on the main Batman title after COIE.

Trevor
04-14-12, 07:14 AM
Hard to pick just one. I think I prefer variety in all of the comics I follow, appreciating the frequent changes and different interpretations.

But if I was forced to pick just one, it would probably be Jim Aparo.

JasonF
04-14-12, 08:40 AM
Hard to pick just one. I think I prefer variety in all of the comics I follow, appreciating the frequent changes and different interpretations.

But if I was forced to pick just one, it would probably be Jim Aparo.

I agree with this.

In addition to the Brave and the Bold, Aparo had a run on the main book in the 80s.

Irv Novick was very underrated, IMO.

Neal Adams' stuff was definitive.

Alan Davis did a great Batman.

Dick Sprang was awesome.

I loved Marshall Rogers' too-short run on the character.

Greg Capullo is killing it these days.

Spiderbite
04-14-12, 04:09 PM
Norm Breyfogle

Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle in the late 80s and early 90s was the best thing ever.

Holy Shit. I thought I was the only one. He was who I came in here to post.

He has always been my favorite Batman artist. I have even thought about getting him to do a commissioned piece for me but just have never gotten around to it. The last time I thought about it, he was behind and not taking an requests at that time.

resinrats
04-14-12, 07:53 PM
Anyone BUT Kelly Jones. I hate his artwork. He was the reason I stopped reading Batman comics. Stupid hunched over, teeth gritted, 60 ft cape, 300 bumps representing his ribs artwork. I'd take a Liefields's artwork over his.

fumanstan
04-14-12, 09:19 PM
Jim Lee, but then again i'm a mainstream flashy kind of guy and I love his stuff.

kodave
04-14-12, 11:14 PM
Francesco Francavilla quickly became one of my favorites after The Black Mirror

JasonF
04-15-12, 12:30 AM
I met Neal Adams at C2E2 today!! It was so cool. I got to tell him he drew my first Batman story -- a story called Robin meets Man-Bat. It actually didn't appear in a DC comic, but in one of those old Power Records (children of the 70s like me will remember those). Neal remembered the story, and told me he had originally done it for a Man-Bat book that never got off the ground, so they repurposed the story for the record.

Anyway, while I was waiting in line for Neal, a couple of kids (probably about 12-13 years old) asked me "Is that the guy who drew Batman," and I realized that if anybody was "the guy" who drew Batman, it was Neal. I tried to explain to the kids how Neal came along 40 years ago and completely changed the way people draw Batman and everyone ever since has been following in his footsteps. I think they got it -- they seemed impressed.

PhantomStranger
04-15-12, 12:36 AM
There is only one Batman and he is drawn by Neal Adams. He re-defined how the character moved and most artists following him either consciously or subconsciously were influenced by his style.

mrhan
04-15-12, 11:14 AM
There is only one Batman and he is drawn by Neal Adams. He re-defined how the character moved and most artists following him either consciously or subconsciously were influenced by his style.

Agreed. Jim Aparo and Marshall Rogers do come in a close second for me, though. Jim's art in the 70's on B&B was awesome.

I remember reading an article how after Adam's redefined the Batman; quite a few artists who worked on the character admitted that they were more than influenced by Adams' Batman. Something you can still see today even if they say they aren't.

Why isn't Irv Novick on that list? He worked on Batman the same time as Adams and his work was pretty good; especially with Dick Giordano doing the inks.

Paul_SD
04-15-12, 03:49 PM
Adams merited all the hype he got then and in retrospect. I was a kid just entering elementary school, buying Batman comics off the spinner rack at the drugstore, and even I could tell there was a big difference in the artwork in a Neal Adams book versus something like Dick Dillans World's Finest/JLA, or even Curt Swans Superman. He also had the good fortune to illustrate some of the best written Batman stories of that era. That helps too.

Two other artists of the character that I've always loved, but who never get any attention are Sal Amendola and Jose Garcia Lopez.
Amendola only illustrated one issue (that I've seen), but it was a mindblower to me at the time. Doing a fill in issue in an era when the slicker styles of Novick, Rogers and even Arparo were the norm, Amendolas freer, scratchier style was very refreshing and suited that particular story (with the Scarecrow as villain) well. And his cover to it remains a knockout.

Garcia Lopez, for my money, is one of, if not THE best draftsmen/storytellers the business has ever seen. He is criminally glossed over time and time again yet to my eyes, no one can touch him.
His work is always sound, dynamic, and free of false notes and gimmicks (which is probably one reason the Image-age fans never got excited about him).
In the late 70's/early 80' he did an excellent run of covers for Batman, and I know of at least two full issues he did with the character, both of which even at the time struck me as something very special.
One was the DC/Marvel crossover featuring The Hulk.

brayzie
04-15-12, 06:25 PM
I picked Brian Bolland because he draws the definitive Batman in my opinion, as well as the defintive Joker.

I grew up with Norm Breyfogle drawing Detective in '89. Very stylish and sharp.

Don Newton is another favorite, but I discovered his art via black and whit printings in a Batman anniversary book. Since then I always felt his art would be viewed better without color due to his strong use of shadows. I loved the way he drew Nocturna.

I didn't discover Marshall Rogers till DARK DETECTIVE. Amazing artist. I really enjoy the way he drew the panels, actions scenes as well as expressions.

Jim Lee of course.

Kelley Jones was the reason I started reading Batman again in the 90s. It felt just like reading the original Batman stories from '39, compelte with the old fashioned Batmobile and they heavy, creepy atmosphere. He really add the grotesque to Batman's rogue gallery.

Alan Davis is another artist I didn't discover until recently. His work on Batman was too clean. It was like watching an animated film in motion somehow.

Lastly, Dick Sprang draws the definitive CLASSIC Batman in my opinion. My favorite golden age artist of all time.

Maxflier
04-15-12, 10:03 PM
Jim Aparo

JumpCutz
04-16-12, 12:48 AM
Neal Adams is the only answer.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/DETECTIVE-COMICS-408-NEAL-ADAMS-COVER-ART-BATMAN-/00/$(KGrHqV,!hcE3zR-HDsBBOH8RKZPS!~~0_3.JPG

Jim Aparo is second.

PhantomStranger
04-16-12, 02:20 AM
Garcia Lopez, for my money, is one of, if not THE best draftsmen/storytellers the business has ever seen. He is criminally glossed over time and time again yet to my eyes, no one can touch him.
His work is always sound, dynamic, and free of false notes and gimmicks (which is probably one reason the Image-age fans never got excited about him).
In the late 70's/early 80' he did an excellent run of covers for Batman, and I know of at least two full issues he did with the character, both of which even at the time struck me as something very special.
One was the DC/Marvel crossover featuring The Hulk.
He was a criminally underrated artist at DC. He did the in-house style guide for most DC characters in the early 80s and it is no coincidence that those drawings are still used today by Warner's merchandising and licensing division. I really see Garcia Lopez as the forerunner to George Perez. You can tell Perez was heavily influenced by him.

Khamul
04-16-12, 10:34 AM
Mine would be Kelley Jones.
His version is filled with symbolism and expressionism,as well as the mystery to the world Batman inhabits.His influence is still felt,and beyond the comics.His work has been cited as influential by Nolan in his recent Batman films.
He really brought something special to the books. Check it out,or rediscover it.

PhantomStranger
04-16-12, 02:17 PM
Mine would be Kelley Jones.
His version is filled with symbolism and expressionism,as well as the mystery to the world Batman inhabits.His influence is still felt,and beyond the comics.His work has been cited as influential by Nolan in his recent Batman films.
He really brought something special to the books. Check it out,or rediscover it.
He definitely does the best vampiric version of Batman. Even his normal version of Batman looks supernatural.

madcougar
04-16-12, 02:36 PM
Voted for Marshall Rogers, but would have voted for Kevin Nowlan if he was an option. Nowlan hasn't done too much Batman, but he's easily my favorite.

Unrelated to Nowlan, I also really liked Graham Nolan's run on the Batman books in the 1990s.

madcougar
04-16-12, 02:36 PM
Anyone BUT Kelly Jones. I hate his artwork. He was the reason I stopped reading Batman comics. Stupid hunched over, teeth gritted, 60 ft cape, 300 bumps representing his ribs artwork. I'd take a Liefields's artwork over his.

-rolleyes-

DonnachaOne
04-16-12, 02:46 PM
Me.

But Brian Bolland is listed, so I picked him.

Maxflier
04-16-12, 03:12 PM
Anyone BUT Kelly Jones. I hate his artwork. He was the reason I stopped reading Batman comics. Stupid hunched over, teeth gritted, 60 ft cape, 300 bumps representing his ribs artwork.

:thumbsup:

And I know this opinion won't be popular but I don't like Jim Lee's Batman either. He damn near draws him with a skull cap on. The cowl need ears damnit. Not rediculously long ala Kelly Jones, but they need to have some length to them.

Paul_SD
04-16-12, 03:33 PM
First time I saw Kelly Jones take on Batman I thought to myself "Hey Kelly, I like Bernie Wrightson too!"

madcougar
04-16-12, 03:40 PM
Me.

But Brian Bolland is listed, so I picked him.

Pics?

DonnachaOne
04-16-12, 03:51 PM
Pics?

:lol:

Nah, I'm not an artist, but Batman always feels easy to draw. The top half of his head has only three or four distinct features you need to get right.

TheBang
04-16-12, 10:15 PM
I like Breyfogle too.

But I really liked Graham Nolan's 5-year run on 'Tec. He had a sharp, angular Batman that I thought looked really fantastic

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/28/18077_20051216042747_large.jpg
http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/217/49487_20071014093219_large.jpg

davidh777
04-17-12, 03:16 AM
:doh: Sorry for Breyfogle, Novick, and other omissions. I cross-collected a few different sources and must have missed some.

Preterite
04-17-12, 11:04 AM
Neil Adams is one of the most important Batman artists.
Marshall Rogers is probably my favorite artist on the list.
Bruce Timm made me like the character again after the comic version descended into Bat-Dickery.
When I think of the character I envision Jim Aparo's rendition.

But I went with Mazzuchelli as the one who'se artwork I most enjoyed on a Batman story. I also liked how his style influenced the Gotham Central series, which was the only on-going Batman title I purchased in the last twenty-five years.

Khamul
04-17-12, 01:51 PM
Kelley Jones really is my favorite artist,having just reread his run.
So many others just hack it out,but with his there is so much care.

JayDerek
04-18-12, 03:58 PM
Mike Mignola

http://batmanimagesgallery.com/art/mig4.jpg

Hokeyboy
04-18-12, 04:40 PM
Neal Adams. No question. But there are so many.

Travis McClain
05-09-12, 08:55 AM
I picked Bruce Timm, partly as a cop out. Still, I have to admit that his designs are probably my mental defaults anymore, after 20 years of familiarity. Plus, my second favorite Batman series ever is/was The Batman Adventures, which was done in his style. Even though he didn't get to design the characters the way he might have chosen to, I always liked Mike Parobeck's work. Ty Templeton, too.

Count me as another Norm Breyfogle fan, though! Also, I always liked Kevin Nowlan's work. He does the best utility belts of anyone. I like to visit his blog just to see his work in various stages, from sketch to final inks. I always loved Brian Stelfreeze's covers for Shadow of the Bat. I think my favorite single Batman story ever remains "Heat" from Legends of the Dark Knight #46-49, and its art was by Russ Heath. I wish he had done more Bat-work.

Of those who were included in the poll choices, I have much respect for Neal Adams's work. It was before my time so I don't have an emotional investment in it, but any time I look at any kind of anthology, it's very clear there are two eras: Before Adams and After Adams. I almost got him to sign my Green Lantern/Green Arrow trade at C2E2, but dude charges $5 just to sign. I wasn't that interested. The guy I chatted with in the line for Jeph Loeb remarked, without a moment's hesitation, "I'll pay it. Dude, he's Neal Adams." I'm glad he got his chance to have something signed by someone he thought so highly of, my balking at his charging price notwithstanding.

Tim Sale is a favorite, partly because he worked on some of my favorite specific stories. I got to chat with him at C2E2 for several minutes about his work on the first LOTDK Halloween Special, which is in my top 5 favorite Batman stories ever. There's an amazing piece inside to begin Chapter 2. We see the silhouette of Batman perched on a ledge, then we turn the page to a double splash page of a streak of lightning illuminating the whole city. Sale keeps us on the exact shot as the previous page in darkness, though, so the effect of turning that page is very dramatic. It gives me chills each time I get to it.

Jim Aparo worked on quite a lot of Batman stuff in the era when I was an active reader, and I always liked his work quite a bit, too. I always contrasted his stuff with Breyfogle's since they were on concurrent series there for a while. Breyfogle's stuff stood out more to me because it was sharper and more stylistic. Aparo's was more realistic, and I think easier to take for granted as a younger reader.

slop101
05-09-12, 04:47 PM
Aparo's run while Starlin was writing (culminating in the Death in the Family story arch) - he just had the definitive looking Batman, not to mention his Joker looked perfect as well.

Paul_SD
05-09-12, 06:08 PM
I commented earlier but didn't vote.
And now that I think about, I'd have to say Timm is my all-around favorite Batman artist. Even taking out the animated series, I just suddenly realized the comic book work he's done was more substantial than I originally thought. He's another artist's artist, imo, synthesizing the best aspects of other artists i truly admire (from Toth to Kirby to even a little Dan DeCarlo and Chuck Jones). And next to Toth, he's one of the best pure storytellers I've ever seen. His little Two-face story is a masterpiece in staging/breakdowns/composition.

Anytime some one makes it look so effortless, it's easy to not give them enough credit.
I have enormous nostalgic affection for Adams, Aparo, Moldoff, Sprang, Robinson, and Novick. And Garcia-Lopez is probably just behind Toth for me in terms of my all time greats. But for this character and his universe, Timm is my favorite. no question about it.

will travel
05-10-12, 01:36 AM
My All-Time favorite Bat-Artist is Don Newton.

http://www.talesofwonder.com/product-exec/product_id/67266/nm/Tales+of+The+Batman+Don+Newton

Travis McClain
05-10-12, 01:54 AM
I forgot to mention in my previous remarks that the very first Batman comic book I owned was Detective Comics #603. The artist was Norm Breyfogle. There's something to be said for first impressions.

Spottedfeather
05-10-12, 02:15 AM
I've always been partial to Irv Novick's work in the 70s. That's who I think of when I hear "Batman"...after Bruce Timm, of course.
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/19/1918/M8M9D00Z/posters/batman.jpg
My third favourite would have to be Norm Breyfogle. When I was a kid, my dad worked downtown. He would always buy me a comic or two on the way home. One of these was the Detective Comics series Mud Pack, involving Clayface. Norm Breyfogle was the artist. Just seeing those covers (Detective Comics 604 - 607) takes me back....

Paul_SD
05-10-12, 02:54 AM
I've always been partial to Irv Novick's work in the 70s. That's who I think of when I hear "Batman"...after Bruce Timm, of course.
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/19/1918/M8M9D00Z/posters/batman.jpg


Based on the left hand, I'd say this was Garcia-Lopez, not Novik. Looks to be from the DC style guides. And as much as I love the guy, gotta say I was disappointed when DC came up with these style sheets for merchandising. Before than, like in the 70's, the images they used in merchandising were from the various titles themselves. So there would be a whole range of artistic styles on display, depending on which characters were on what products. I loved seeing the difference between an Infantino Flash and a Neal Adams Batman, or an Infantino Batman and a Bob Oksner Supergirl. It made me conscious of the personality in an individuals art, at a very young age.

But at least in Garcia-Lopez they picked an outstanding draftsman to homogenize everything under one style.

ytrez
05-10-12, 06:50 AM
Aparo's run while Starlin was writing (culminating in the Death in the Family story arch) - he just had the definitive looking Batman, not to mention his Joker looked perfect as well.

Was this your introduction to Aparo/Batman? I ask because, outside of nostalgia, I see no reason anyone would be attracted to that work. I'm not trying to be disparaging but I single that run out to be the low point of Aparo's career rather than the highlight. I disliked Starlin's writing, strongly, and absolutely hated DeCarlo's inking. I voted for Aparo as my favorite Batman artist primarily on the strength of his the Brave & the Bold work. Aparo inking himself was gold. Even better when he provided the lettering too. The guy was great and I highly recommend http://www.amazon.com/Legends-Dark-Knight-Aparo-Vol/dp/1401233759/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336650588&sr=8-1-spell.

mrhan
05-10-12, 08:10 AM
Was this your introduction to Aparo/Batman? I ask because, outside of nostalgia, I see no reason anyone would be attracted to that work. I'm not trying to be disparaging but I single that run out to be the low point of Aparo's career rather than the highlight. I disliked Starlin's writing, strongly, and absolutely hated DeCarlo's inking. I voted for Aparo as my favorite Batman artist primarily on the strength of his the Brave & the Bold work. Aparo inking himself was gold. Even better when he provided the lettering too. The guy was great and I highly recommend http://www.amazon.com/Legends-Dark-Knight-Aparo-Vol/dp/1401233759/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336650588&sr=8-1-spell.

I agree. His later work was just bad. His best work was in the 70's on BB and Adventure Comics (The Aquaman and Spectre runs were my favorite). It started to change in the early 80's and De Carlo's inks didn't help any.

To me there's a huge difference.


http://www.comicbookbrain.com/_imagery/_2007_07_27/bb119_pg5_1000.jpg

Death in the Family:

http://blogintomystery.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/ditfg.jpg

Hokeyboy
05-10-12, 11:21 AM
Aparo's 80s work as abysmal. Undynamic, flat, ugly work. But everything before his decline was solid. :up:

fujishig
05-10-12, 11:44 AM
I didn't even know that they were doing an Alan Davis Batman collection, but it came up in my Amazon Goldbox:

http://www.amazon.com/Legends-Dark-Knight-Alan-Davis/dp/1401236812/ref=xs_gb_20_left-3_6_1401236812?pf_rd_p=451293501&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0TNXDJGAYF40QBVFAW9P

Patman
05-10-12, 12:47 PM
I voted for Neal Adams because he was the Batman artist I aped the most in my childhood. Marshall Rogers is also a fave of mine from his Englehart/Detective era (Terry Austin really did a bang-up job inking Rogers. I also liked Michael Golden's work in some of the Batman Family stories.

The Batman artists from the 1990s-current time period leave me a bit cold, I still like the Batman artists from the 1970s and 1980s.

Spottedfeather
05-11-12, 01:11 AM
Based on the left hand, I'd say this was Garcia-Lopez, not Novik. Looks to be from the DC style guides. And as much as I love the guy, gotta say I was disappointed when DC came up with these style sheets for merchandising. Before than, like in the 70's, the images they used in merchandising were from the various titles themselves. So there would be a whole range of artistic styles on display, depending on which characters were on what products. I loved seeing the difference between an Infantino Flash and a Neal Adams Batman, or an Infantino Batman and a Bob Oksner Supergirl. It made me conscious of the personality in an individuals art, at a very young age.

But at least in Garcia-Lopez they picked an outstanding draftsman to homogenize everything under one style.

I think you may be right. The hand does look just about identical. These pics are Novik.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5008/batman249.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/Hefmeister/Two-Face-Two/denny1-1.jpg
But you can see where I'd be mistaken. They're quite similar styles.

It does appear that the style I was thinking of was mainly the style sheet work from Garcia-Lopez. You'd see it all over toy packaging, posters, shirts, and all sorts of things.

ytrez
05-11-12, 06:57 AM
I didn't even know that they were doing an Alan Davis Batman collection, but it came up in my Amazon Goldbox:

I didn't know about this either but these were my favorite Batman issues of the period (Detective actually, but you know what I mean). Barr's characterizations of Batman, but more importantly Robin, were pitch perfect. The quality of these stories is part of what makes me so upset about how Starlin came in afterward and ruined things. My only problem with this run is that Davis didn't finish the Batman Year 2 storyline, which may present problems for filling out this book. McFarlane did a fine job with the pencils on those issues but why Denny O'Neil or anyone else would think that Alfredo Alcala was the right inker for him is beyond me.

And that pic posted earlier is definitely Garcia-Lopez. Irv Novick was definitely an underrated Batman artist though. He did some excellent work for a number of years.

ytrez
05-11-12, 07:09 AM
Aparo's 80s work as abysmal. Undynamic, flat, ugly work. But everything before his decline was solid. :up:

While Aparo was obviously in the twilight of his career I don't recall there being many problems with his layouts or storytelling (though it's been a long time since I read these). The flat & ugly aspects of the work I attributed to DeCarlo. I wonder now if I judged his work too harshly back in the day but I hated having to look at his work in Batman, Legion, Warlord, and anywhere else he showed up.

brayzie
05-11-12, 04:45 PM
The quality of these stories is part of what makes me so upset about how Starlin came in afterward and ruined things. My only problem with this run is that Davis didn't finish the Batman Year 2 storyline, which may present problems for filling out this book. McFarlane did a fine job with the pencils on those issues but why Denny O'Neil or anyone else would think that Alfredo Alcala was the right inker for him is beyond me.
.

Barr's work on the title was great fun, and he actually made me like, not just Jason, but the idea of a light hearted Robin. Barr and Davis were an ideal team on that title.

Maybe at the time DC thought that McFarlane's tick lines were mistakes and that Alcala could smooth them out, or maybe that Alcala could make the art, somehow closer to Neary's inking. Either way it ended up looking very rough mid way through.

pelenor
05-11-12, 05:31 PM
Gary frank.

http://www.badhaven.com/comics/comic-features/batman-earth-one-gary-frank-art/

mrhan
05-11-12, 06:11 PM
The flat & ugly aspects of the work I attributed to DeCarlo. I wonder now if I judged his work too harshly back in the day but I hated having to look at his work in Batman, Legion, Warlord, and anywhere else he showed up.

I was curious about that so I looked through my collection and randomly pulled issues from the early 90's. If you look at Batman 480 and 481, Aparo did the inking and lettering along with the pencils. It looked just as bad as when De Carlo was doing the inks.

slop101
05-11-12, 07:18 PM
I agree. His later work was just bad. His best work was in the 70's on BB and Adventure Comics (The Aquaman and Spectre runs were my favorite). It started to change in the early 80's and De Carlo's inks didn't help any.

To me there's a huge difference.

There is, but I dunno why (maybe because it looks a little less cartoony), I just like Aparo's later work better... :shrug:

mrhan
05-11-12, 07:56 PM
There is, but I dunno why (maybe because it looks a little less cartoony), I just like Aparo's later work better... :shrug:

I don't think it's less cartoony because both Aparo and Novick admitted they tried to ape Adams realistic style in the early 70's to keep the look consistent in the Batman books.

slop101
05-12-12, 12:42 AM
I meant his later work looks less cartoony - I also don't care for his aping of Adams and thought he came into his own better. Of course I think Adams is a better overall artist, but in my mind, Aparo's later work is the definitive Batman.

ytrez
05-14-12, 06:44 AM
I was curious about that so I looked through my collection and randomly pulled issues from the early 90's. If you look at Batman 480 and 481, Aparo did the inking and lettering along with the pencils. It looked just as bad as when De Carlo was doing the inks.

I'll have to check out those issues. I checked some death in the family issues this weekend and determined that I wasn't too harsh on DeCarlo's inks. Still hate them with a passion.

dishpan
05-16-12, 09:54 AM
only 3 votes for jim lee =|


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2012/05/jimleebatmaninks.jpg

madcougar
05-16-12, 10:18 AM
^^^^^^^^
Not to take anything away from Jim Lee but this piece benefits a TON from Travis Charest's inks.

dishpan
05-16-12, 10:24 AM
^^^^^^^^
Not to take anything away from Jim Lee but this piece benefits a TON from Travis Charest's inks.

cool

i dont know enough about inking to be able to tell that

Travis McClain
05-16-12, 11:08 AM
I just don't think of Batman when I think of Jim Lee, or vice versa. His Bat-work came after I bailed on reading comics regularly. I still think of him as an X-Men artist.

fujishig
05-16-12, 11:36 AM
Jim Lee inked by Charest? That must have taken a year to do... :)

madcougar
05-16-12, 11:48 AM
Jim Lee inked by Charest? That must have taken a year to do... :)

You can read more about this at bleedingcool (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/15/travis-charest-frank-cho-ink-jim-lee-at-big-wow/).

stingermck
05-16-12, 12:13 PM
After just re-reading Knightfall, I have to pick Breyfogle. His 90's work was always dynamic.

Trevor
05-16-12, 01:15 PM
You can read more about this at bleedingcool (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/15/travis-charest-frank-cho-ink-jim-lee-at-big-wow/).
Interesting stuff. I'm always curious as to how much an inker's work can change the original pencils. Would love to see more comparisons of multiple inkers takes on the same pencils.

fujishig
05-16-12, 02:34 PM
When Kevin Nowlan inks, for instance, you can see his style clearly over the pencils.

mrhan
05-16-12, 05:55 PM
I like Jim Lee's art but his Batman is boring. He always looks stiff. I did a search and basically he is always drawing the Batman in almost the same pose over and over. Check out the link. I know there are repeats in there but overall it's the same shit. There's no sense of motion, urgency or movement.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AgKO95cJSWgt0l5JxinRC5GbvZx4?p=jim+lee+batman&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-544

fujishig
05-16-12, 06:16 PM
I would have to check, but most of those images are the pinup/poster variety, so they only show Batman in stoic, front facing poses. I get what you're saying, though.

The real problem with Lee's popularity as a Batman artist? His association with Miller in All Star Batman and Robin.

PhantomStranger
05-17-12, 12:41 AM
Jim Lee's Batman is too bulky for the character. The chest-to-waist ratio is way too high, it makes him look like a bodybuilder who only cares about bench pressing. Any good superhero would know the bench press is one of the least applicable exercises possible to athletic movements like punching and kicking.

ytrez
05-17-12, 07:29 AM
Interesting stuff. I'm always curious as to how much an inker's work can change the original pencils. Would love to see more comparisons of multiple inkers takes on the same pencils.

I'm a bit of an inking nerd so...

I'm sure this isn't typical of the pencils Scott Williams gets from Jim Lee routinely but I think it shows just how much an inker can bring to the table:

http://comicsinkers.blogspot.com/2005/07/scott-williams-on-jim-lee.html

Here are various inkers working on a Wolverine cover:
http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryRoom.asp?GSub=80971

Trevor
05-17-12, 09:24 AM
^ Neat stuff. Good to see the "tracers" getting some love.

mrhan
05-17-12, 09:42 AM
Here's some inks by Williams' over Adams' pencils. Odyssey was a POS but the artwork was awesome.

http://toyinspire.blogspot.com/2010/10/batman-odyssey-4-original-comic-book.html

davidh777
08-07-12, 12:05 AM
At one of my LCSs, I saw that they've released the Neal Adams Batman vol. 1 in paperback. I never got the hardback so might pick this up.

But I see there's also a "Kindle edition," which appears to be a Kindle fire edition, which is kind of cool.

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Illustrated-Neal-Adams-ebook/dp/B008NFNXMG

Supermallet
08-07-12, 05:30 PM
I really love Tim Sale's take on the Bat-world. He gets my vote.