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inri222
04-09-12, 09:16 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/08/us-bc-usa-nationalreview-columnist-idUSBRE83701220120408

National Review fires columnist accused of racism

By Karen Brooks

Sat Apr 7, 2012 10:36pm EDT

(Reuters) - The National Review has fired columnist John Derbyshire over a web posting in which he wrote that black people are hostile to whites and that white people should stay out of black neighborhoods and away from black crowds.

The magazine on Saturday night disavowed Derbyshire's "nasty and indefensible" posting - which ran on a website unrelated to the National Review - and said it amounted to a "letter of resignation" by the columnist.

"We never would have published it, but the main reason that people noticed it is that it is by a National Review writer," editor Rich Lowry said in a posting on the magazine's website.

"Derb is effectively using our name to get more oxygen for views with which we'd never associate ourselves otherwise. So there has to be a parting of the ways," Lowry said.

Derbyshire's column was written as a response to recent newspaper articles about "the talk" that African American parents have with their children about being black teenagers in a country in which young black men may be considered a potential threat. The articles followed the shooting in Florida of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch volunteer.

The columnist asserted "there is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too" about the differences between themselves and black people.

He said that talk included telling children that about 5 percent of black people were "ferociously hostile" to whites and that a larger percentage would "go along passively if the 5 percent take leadership in some event."

Derbyshire said children were advised to "avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally," stay out of heavily black neighborhoods and avoid events likely to attract a lot of black people.

The column sparked outcries of racism and calls for Derbyshire's dismissal from bloggers, news publications and some of the National Review's own editors.

The Atlantic's Matt O'Brien wrote on Twitter, "Does @NRO want to be associated with someone who publishes racist trash like this?"

At least two colleagues at the National Review denounced his column as racist on Twitter.

PopcornTreeCt
04-09-12, 09:24 PM
Okay, I think we found my replacement. Can I get my username changed back?

JumpCutz
04-09-12, 09:28 PM
Derbyshire is a piece of work. The National Review did the right thing.

dork
04-09-12, 09:35 PM
Derbyshire is "accused" of racism in the same sense that shit is accused of having a somewhat unpleasant smell.

Nick Danger
04-09-12, 11:10 PM
What? He even recommended that his kids make friends with black people. The rare and valuable well-socialized black people.

DVD Polizei
04-09-12, 11:23 PM
If someone said that Christians should avoid Muslim neighborhoods in certain countries in the Middle East and/or should avoid going to a Christian church in such places, would they be considered a racist.

glassdragon
04-09-12, 11:29 PM
I don't know, I'm not sure it's completely racist. I mean, I won't go into a neighborhood that is predominately consisting of Crocodiles wearing leisure suits, but that is mainly the fact that I hate leisure suits. Yeah, I'm racist against Leisure suits :(

Double_Oh_7
04-09-12, 11:35 PM
Sounds like common sense to me. What's racist about it? You'll never see me on the south side of Chicago... it's a fucking war zone.

DVD Polizei
04-09-12, 11:41 PM
I guess it's in what context. I haven't heard of this guy, so I'm bowing out of this thread. But generally speaking, I don't find a problem with telling people who aren't from a particular neighborhood which is known to be violent and territorial, to avoid it.

jfoobar
04-10-12, 07:27 AM
I read a discussion about this a couple of days ago. Here is the actual column, should someone care to read it:

http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire#axzz1rMNPAbeN

Yeah, it's got "fire me" written all over it.

Trevor
04-10-12, 07:45 AM
Good riddance.

cungar
04-10-12, 09:13 AM
You have to read the column through to understand. It reads like a parody of a racist. You just wonder what the guy was thinking.


The Talk: Nonblack Version

by John Derbyshire

April 05, 2012



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There is much talk about “the talk.”

“Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

“There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.”

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.


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(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.


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Sean O'Hara
04-10-12, 11:23 AM
Sounds like common sense to me. What's racist about it? You'll never see me on the south side of Chicago... it's a fucking war zone.

Well, first there's the assumption that all black neighborhoods are like the south side of Chicago.

Sean O'Hara
04-10-12, 11:27 AM
(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (Iíll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

Might be time to revise the article.

chino77
04-10-12, 11:28 AM
Sounds like common sense to me. What's racist about it? You'll never see me on the south side of Chicago... it's a fucking war zone.

im white and live on the west side in a 98% black neighborhood. i walk around daily and have never had any problems. i think you just need to grow a pair.

also the south side has many many good neighborhoods full of white people that would accept you with open arms. probably only 1/3 of the s. side is bad. sadly the entire west side is bad though.

Timber
04-10-12, 11:29 AM
Sounds like common sense to me. What's racist about it? You'll never see me on the south side of Chicago... it's a fucking war zone.

And I will never set foot into the hills of WV, or pretty much the entire state of Alabama. They are fucking war zones.

Mabuse
04-10-12, 11:45 AM
avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally, stay out of heavily black neighborhoods and avoid events likely to attract a lot of black peoplCheck and check. I've been doing that my entire life. And I didn't even need National Review to tell me. I must be a fucking genius.

Question: If, when my daughter turns 14 I have "the talk" with her about men, and I tell her that just to be on the safe side she should go ahead and assume that any man she doesn't personally know has the potential to harm her sexually or physically and that she should always use caution, would I be doing something wrong?

kvrdave
04-10-12, 11:53 AM
You'd be setting her up to be harmed sexually by those she personally knows.

chino77
04-10-12, 11:53 AM
would I be doing something wrong?

yes, you only need to warn her about black men.

Sean O'Hara
04-10-12, 11:58 AM
Check and check. I've been doing that my entire life. And I didn't even need National Review to tell me. I must be a fucking genius.

Question: If, when my daughter turns 14 I have "the talk" with her about men, and I tell her that just to be on the safe side she should go ahead and assume that any man she doesn't personally know has the potential to harm her sexually or physically and that she should always use caution, would I be doing something wrong?

Yes. You have to show her some women-in-prison movies so she'll know the dangers women pose to her as well.

Mabuse
04-10-12, 12:03 PM
(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).
By the way I hear the same thing applies in China. "Smart looking" whites are so in demand over there that Chinese companies will pay white people to stand around and look important because it gives the company and aire of importance.

Timber
04-10-12, 12:04 PM
Check and check. I've been doing that my entire life. And I didn't even need National Review to tell me. I must be a fucking genius.

Question: If, when my daughter turns 14 I have "the talk" with her about men, and I tell her that just to be on the safe side she should go ahead and assume that any man she doesn't personally know has the potential to harm her sexually or physically and that she should always use caution, would I be doing something wrong?

Then she'd see what one of those black men have in their pants and all bets would be off.

Rockmjd23
04-10-12, 12:21 PM
And I will never set foot into the hills of WV, or pretty much the entire state of Alabama. They are fucking war zones.
But you can go to Food Stamp Friday parties in Alabama.

Ky-Fi
04-10-12, 12:29 PM
And then he gets fired?! Why the hell didn't the 3 IWSBs that he befriended stand up for him?

Timber
04-10-12, 12:30 PM
I said pretty much the entire state so I did not eliminate all of Alabama. I'd certainly attend a food stamp party, sounds completely safe to me.

Navinabob
04-10-12, 01:44 PM
Man... that was pure shit. His IQ test score paragraph was particularly ridiculous. If he followed his own logic his next blog post should be about all the ways the kid should try and make friends and network with Asians as they are genetically superior to Whites (less crime & higher IQ). He could offer tips on learning Chinese and making sure he has an Asian boss making all the decisions. I mean the kid is already part-Asian... he should try and advertise that as much as possible.

The Bus
04-10-12, 04:12 PM
The photo of the writer looks like what The Onion would use for a columnist picture.

Rockmjd23
04-10-12, 04:16 PM
John Derbyshire played a thug in Way of the Dragon. :lol:

Tracer Bullet
04-10-12, 04:16 PM
The photo of the writer looks like what The Onion would use for a columnist picture.

:lol:

cungar
04-10-12, 09:09 PM
I noticed the voices of agreement faded quickly when the actual article was posted.

Nick Danger
04-10-12, 09:26 PM
I noticed the voices of agreement faded quickly when the actual article was posted.

My agreement was sarcastic. I don't really recommend that children learn to seek out the rare and valuable intelligent well-socialized blacks.

inri222
04-11-12, 08:31 AM
http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/598/1725_generated_MgigZRquR0Chx2xAGrJgdQ_384x288__RTt1UtYFx06lhi81haj-PQ.jpg

Double_Oh_7
04-13-12, 09:13 AM
im white and live on the west side in a 98% black neighborhood. i walk around daily and have never had any problems. i think you just need to grow a pair.

also the south side has many many good neighborhoods full of white people that would accept you with open arms. probably only 1/3 of the s. side is bad. sadly the entire west side is bad though.

Oh, come on. You know the exact part of the south side I'm talking about. The part where African-Americans have no problem shooting other African-Americans on a daily basis. The part where little kids who think they are safe inside their homes are struck by stray bullets rocketing through their living room windows. You think anyone there would think twice about popping a cap into my white ass? When you take a stroll through Englewood to show how brave you are, then I'll "grow a pair".

Jason
04-13-12, 04:56 PM
My agreement was sarcastic. I don't really recommend that children learn to seek out the rare and valuable intelligent well-socialized blacks.

Yeah, wouldn't the ISWBs get their asses kicked by the gangstas? What good is that?

Tommy Ceez
04-13-12, 08:09 PM
Oh, come on. You know the exact part of the south side I'm talking about. The part where African-Americans have no problem shooting other African-Americans on a daily basis. The part where little kids who think they are safe inside their homes are struck by stray bullets rocketing through their living room windows. You think anyone there would think twice about popping a cap into my white ass? When you take a stroll through Englewood to show how brave you are, then I'll "grow a pair".

So you are stating that you should stay out of HIGH CRIME neighborhoods. You realize that this does not translate to black neighborhoods

WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE LIVE!?!?!?

Annoying prissy hipsters take over black neighborhoods left and right

It's sad...hipsters are braver than 'real Americans'

SterlingBen
04-13-12, 08:27 PM
Sounds like common sense to me. What's racist about it? You'll never see me on the south side of Chicago... it's a fucking war zone.

+1

Also have you ever been to Gyu-Kaku? Recommendable?