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DJariya
04-08-12, 04:22 AM
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Synopsis:

Don has an encounter with someone from the past; Joan comes to a momentous decision. Meanwhile, Roger increases Peggy's workload.

Episode 4 of 13

Written by Victor Levin and Matt Weiner

Directed by Matt Shakman

Jack Straw
04-08-12, 12:52 PM
How come whenever Hamm has a picture taken of himself as Draper, he looks like he's going to read you your rights? That being said, really looking forward to tonight's episode. I wonder who the encounter will be with? Dr. Faye? One can hope.

bluetoast
04-08-12, 01:08 PM
Dr. Faye, the hippie from Season 1, or Rachel the department store owner. Dr. Faye would be the most entertaining, since he pretty much wrapped things up with the other two. Faye seems like she would still be pissed.

RagingBull80
04-08-12, 03:06 PM
The encounter? What did I miss last episode?

EDIT: I guess I should have paid attention to the title of the episode. Was this date alluded to last episode?

misterchimpy
04-08-12, 09:58 PM
Wow...did not see that coming!

DJLinus
04-08-12, 09:58 PM
Whoa.

"Does Don Draper have to choke a bitch?" :)

PopcornTreeCt
04-08-12, 10:03 PM
Show almost jumped the shark there.

dex14
04-08-12, 10:10 PM
http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/88/6088/132224.jpg

Arpeggi
04-08-12, 11:10 PM
Madchen Amick, nice.

Patman
04-08-12, 11:46 PM
She's aging well. Probably has a painting of Doran Gray in her attic...

bluetoast
04-09-12, 12:25 AM
iTunes! If you updated your episodes immediately, I would be watching this right now. But since you don't, I'll have to wait like 5 extra hours. Looking forward to it though...

anomynous
04-09-12, 12:31 AM
So was the lady ever in the show before?


I don't remember her.

PopcornTreeCt
04-09-12, 01:40 AM
I really liked this one. The scenes with Peggy and the new secretary worked. The new guy pulling off the new pitch and then running his mouth too much and nearly blowing it worked. The scene with Don's daughter and the nanny also worked. The stuff with Don and his sickness was a little weird but I thought it was the best of the season so far.

DJariya
04-09-12, 03:21 AM
-eek- Whoah!! This episode treaded into some really dark territory.

I think the main point of Don's plot was him coming to terms with some of his past demons....Andrea being one of them and his insecurities on whether he can be faithful to Megan.

With Don having a fever and a nasty cold, I had a feeling that scene with Andrea was just a hallucination. However, you have to wonder if push comes to shove what Don would do to protect his future with Megan.

:lol: Loved the scene with Peggy and Roger. She was playing some serious hard ball with him about that campaign. $400 for 1 weekend worth of work must have been a fortune for that era.

Sucks that Joan's marriage crumbled to pieces in this episode.

I also enjoyed the scene with Peggy and Dawn as well.

Good stuff tonight.

Thrush
04-09-12, 08:06 AM
Ahhh the return of single Joan. Cant wait to see how Roger reacts.

MikahC
04-09-12, 08:49 AM
If someone doesn't mind... I missed what seemed like a key moment. Peggy was coming into her living room (where Dawn was going to sleep for the night) and I think they both looked at the table and the expression on both their faces changed. They didn't say anything, but Peggy essentially excused herself. My grandson walked into the room seeking my attention at that moment and I missed something.

Unless I missed something, that wasn't Sally Draper's nanny, it's her step-grandmother (Betty's new husband's mother).

Geofferson
04-09-12, 09:01 AM
^ Peggy left her purse unattended on the coffee table for the night. In the morning, Dawn left a note on her purse thanking her for the hospitality.

DJLinus
04-09-12, 09:03 AM
If someone doesn't mind... I missed what seemed like a key moment. Peggy was coming into her living room (where Dawn was going to sleep for the night) and I think they both looked at the table and the expression on both their faces changed. They didn't say anything, but Peggy essentially excused herself. My grandson walked into the room seeking my attention at that moment and I missed something.

Peggy noticed she left her purse on the table and Dawn saw her contemplating whether or not to take it with her.

cleaver
04-09-12, 09:14 AM
If someone doesn't mind... I missed what seemed like a key moment. Peggy was coming into her living room (where Dawn was going to sleep for the night) and I think they both looked at the table and the expression on both their faces changed. They didn't say anything, but Peggy essentially excused herself. My grandson walked into the room seeking my attention at that moment and I missed something.

Unless I missed something, that wasn't Sally Draper's nanny, it's her step-grandmother (Betty's new husband's mother).
Peggy was like should I move my purse and how can I do it without seeming racist.

DocBrass
04-09-12, 09:35 AM
Madchen Amick, nice.

wow! that was her. 20 years has been nice to her. :D

bunkaroo
04-09-12, 09:54 AM
Peggy was like should I move my purse and how can I do it without seeming racist.

Well to be fair there was $410 cash in there at least. I'd move it even if that was my mom on the couch LOL.

Buttmunker
04-09-12, 09:57 AM
Sally under the couch after taking Seconal...before the show ended, I thought it possible that she died. Guess not.

Loved Sally's step-grandmother - hope to see more of her. "that's for nothing, so watch out."

Buttmunker
04-09-12, 09:58 AM
Eight student nurses, all slain...and Richard Speck was anything but "handsome," as Sally's step-grandmother envisioned him (guess Speck wasn't apprehended by this point in the story).

Fist of Doom
04-09-12, 10:29 AM
Loved Peggy squeezing Roger for all his cash. Good to see some Sally scenes, too.

Good riddance to Joan's hubby.

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp306/Muddy_Shores/Jane.gif

bluetoast
04-09-12, 10:52 AM
This episode was packed! Every storyline was well done, this was awesome. Glad to see more of Ginsberg as well.

Mike86
04-09-12, 11:18 AM
I liked this episode too. Don's hallucination scene was a bit unexpected. At first I wasn't sure if Andrea had really come to him or not, but the scene with her coming back in the room and him choking her made it obvious right away to me that it wasn't real.

I also liked Peggy in this episode, both in the scene with her playing ball with Roger and the scenes with Dawn. I realized that she was unsure about leaving her purse but didn't want to take it and make herself look like a racist :lol:.

The new guy (can't recall his name) had some good moments in this episode as well. I wasn't sure if I'd like his character at first but he seems pretty likable to me at least. Won't miss Joan's husband (Greg) at all.

bluetoast
04-09-12, 11:22 AM
The only thing I noticed after it was over: No Lane! He's a favorite, but you can't have everyone all the time.

rocketsauce
04-09-12, 11:36 AM
Show almost jumped the shark there.

Couldn't agree more

DJariya
04-09-12, 01:33 PM
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:lol:

Dragon Tattoo
04-09-12, 01:56 PM
The only thing I noticed after it was over: No Lane! He's a favorite, but you can't have everyone all the time.

Yeah, AMC made sure of that.

Tracer Bullet
04-09-12, 07:31 PM
:lol: Loved the scene with Peggy and Roger. She was playing some serious hard ball with him about that campaign. $400 for 1 weekend worth of work must have been a fortune for that.

Peggy could have probably paid her rent with that for about 7 months.

Coral
04-09-12, 08:24 PM
Excellent episode.

The theme was definitely of women in fear of being in danger.

A survivor of Speck hid under the bed, and we see Sally sleeping under the couch and Don's hallucination of strangling a woman and hiding her under the bed. Also the tie-in of Speck raping women and Joan finally coming out and alluding to being raped by Greg in a past episode.
Ginsberg also describing the ad that puts Cinderalla in danger. Of course Dawn and Peggy being afraid in the evening. Even Megan's afraid, not of a serial killer but of Don's potential infidelity.
Even Stan looked like a threat wearing the pantyhose over his head.

The exchange between Peggy and Roger was great.

Supermallet
04-09-12, 08:41 PM
Great, great episode. It seemed pretty clear to me that at least the second (if not the first) visit in Don's apartment was a hallucination.

Peggy playing hardball with Roger may be the best scene she's ever been in.

slop101
04-09-12, 09:00 PM
wow! that was her. 20 years has been nice to her. :DShe was just on "In Plain Sight" and looked even better.

I was hoping Joan's husband would come home and "his" baby would have silver hair.

BTW, I'm surprised at what a good little actress the girl who plays Sally is turning into - her expression at her step-mother-in-law's story about being kicked was perfect.

PopcornTreeCt
04-09-12, 09:57 PM
Wasn't Sally passed out under the couch and not just sleeping?

Coral
04-09-12, 10:08 PM
Wasn't Sally passed out under the couch and not just sleeping?

Yeah, the half-pill she took did something to knock her out... whether it made her pass out or worked as a sleeping pill - we may find out later.

Great, great episode. It seemed pretty clear to me that at least the second (if not the first) visit in Don's apartment was a hallucination.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was an hallucination right from the start - I don't think Andrea ever dropped by that evening.

Decker
04-10-12, 12:20 AM
I also loved the brilliant call back of the accordion player coming over at an awkward moment between Greg and his parents. Too bad Joan's mom sort of ruined any subtlety in the scene by reminding us "Joan can play the accordion". I'm glad she's done with Greg, though this conclusion denies us fans the highly anticipated death in Vietnam we've been patiently waiting for for a few years now.

Cusm
04-10-12, 08:15 AM
I also loved the brilliant call back of the accordion player coming over at an awkward moment between Greg and his parents. Too bad Joan's mom sort of ruined any subtlety in the scene by reminding us "Joan can play the accordion". I'm glad she's done with Greg, though this conclusion denies us fans the highly anticipated death in Vietnam we've been patiently waiting for for a few years now.


I figured we will get that in a few weeks, a divorce takes a while and he will be Charlie fodder before it is finalized and put light on paternaty (possibly).

starseed1981
04-10-12, 08:54 AM
Whoa...I though Don Draper was going all American Horror Story there for a second.

boogieman03
04-10-12, 09:12 AM
What an episode. The Peggy & Roger scene was greatness. "The work is $10. The lie will cost you!"

I thought Peggy wanted Dawn to pick up the beer bottles during their "awkward" scene. I didn't notice the purse/money until after Peggy read the note.

Had a nice "Holy Shit" moment when Don had to choke a bitch. :jawdrop:

I hope Sally doesn't develop a drug problem. :(

Damfino
04-10-12, 09:47 AM
I hope Sally doesn't develop a drug problem. :(

I'm counting on it!

Thrush
04-10-12, 10:38 AM
I hope Sally doesn't develop a drug problem. :(

Remember her sneaking booze and getting drunk at Don's office party? The groundwork has been laid.

Raul3
04-10-12, 12:31 PM
BTW, I'm surprised at what a good little actress the girl who plays Sally is turning into - her expression at her step-mother-in-law's story about being kicked was perfect.

She has been great the whole series. Of course most of the time she's with Betty, so it's easier to show off. ;)

Quatermass
04-10-12, 12:32 PM
I also loved the brilliant call back of the accordion player coming over at an awkward moment between Greg and his parents. Too bad Joan's mom sort of ruined any subtlety in the scene by reminding us "Joan can play the accordion". I'm glad she's done with Greg, though this conclusion denies us fans the highly anticipated death in Vietnam we've been patiently waiting for for a few years now.

I thought that whole restaurant scene was hilarious. I'm really liking Sally's Step-Grandma, too. Great episode.

Draven
04-10-12, 01:49 PM
If nothing else, we need more Peggy/Roger scenes. That was one of the best of the series, IMHO.

Also, more POV shots of Joan leaning into ovens.

boogieman03
04-10-12, 02:00 PM
Remember her sneaking booze and getting drunk at Don's office party? The groundwork has been laid.

Yeah, you're right. Hippie/druggie Sally, here we come!

:lol:

Red Dog
04-11-12, 08:49 AM
The one-on-one scenes and conversations in this show are always so strong - whether it's Peggy/Roger or Peggy and the secretary or Joan and Dickhead or Sally and her step-grandmother, etc.

Buttmunker
04-11-12, 08:55 AM
I thought Peggy wanted Dawn to pick up the beer bottles during their "awkward" scene. I didn't notice the purse/money until after Peggy read the note.


I thought the "awkward" scene was because of the cigarette butts in the ashtray, and Peggy doesn't smoke.

What did the note say? It came and went too quick for me.

TGM
04-11-12, 09:09 AM
What did the note say? It came and went too quick for me.

"Thanks for the lovely 69."

Buttmunker
04-11-12, 09:22 AM
"Thanks for the lovely 69."

I knew it couldn't be that, due to Peggy refusing to give in to that lesbian who came in that day with the Speck murder victims pictures. Nice try! :)

Nefarious
04-11-12, 09:49 AM
What did the note say? It came and went too quick for me.

Thank you for your hospitality. I'm sorry for putting you out. Dawn

andicus
04-11-12, 09:52 AM
I thought the "awkward" scene was because of the cigarette butts in the ashtray, and Peggy doesn't smoke.

What did the note say? It came and went too quick for me.

It was definitely the purse.

The note read "Thank you for your hospitality. I'm sorry for putting you out. Dawn"

Buttmunker
04-11-12, 09:55 AM
Dawn was cute, that's all I know - get rid of that Supremes hairstyle, and she'd be a knock-out!

Timber
04-11-12, 07:27 PM
Why do I get the impression that the show is evolving into an ageing Draper bumbling around and getting passed by by the younger group? I'm not going to be happy if that's the case, already Don is starting to look like a relic.

DJariya
04-11-12, 07:34 PM
Why do I get the impression that the show is evolving into an ageing Draper bumbling around and getting passed by by the younger group? I'm not going to be happy if that's the case, already Don is starting to look like a relic.

Jon Hamm is only 41 years old. Don is 40. By the time the show finishes for good by season 7, he'll only be 44 or 45? He's hardly ready for the wheel chair.

Timber
04-11-12, 07:44 PM
No he's not in a wheel chair but him being out of touch with the Stones last week, the new guy showing him up this week it just seems like he's going the way of Roger Sterling.

RagingBull80
04-11-12, 07:53 PM
Why do I get the impression that the show is evolving into an ageing Draper bumbling around and getting passed by by the younger group? I'm not going to be happy if that's the case, already Don is starting to look like a relic.

That's an interesting point and I think that's the way the show is heading. I'm okay with that. The '60s were a time for change and Don is from a different time. It makes sense for him get left behind.

This season Don hasn't really seemed as "cool" as he has in past seasons and I think that's on purpose and it's due to exactly what you point out.

No he's not in a wheel chair but him being out of touch with the Stones last week, the new guy showing him up this week it just seems like he's going the way of Roger Sterling.

That's the way that I see it.

DJariya
04-11-12, 08:00 PM
Just posted by AMC. Inside episode 504 with Matt Weiner

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Fist of Doom
04-11-12, 11:29 PM
No he's not in a wheel chair but him being out of touch with the Stones last week, the new guy showing him up this week it just seems like he's going the way of Roger Sterling.

The rise of the youth culture/counterculture will definitely test Don, but I don't see him turning into Roger. Don is actually a talented ad man, while Roger's only skill is schmoozing (and being a great TV character).

slop101
04-11-12, 11:36 PM
Anyone else think that Dr. Date-Rape was volunteering for more Vietnam because he kinda suspects that the baby isn't his (which also means he suspects Joan cheated on him)?

I almost stoop up and cheered when she told him that he shouldn't bother coming back.

Draven
04-12-12, 12:03 AM
No. He volunteered because he has no interest in a "boring" life with Joanand a kid when he's a big shot in the military. If he thought the baby wasn't his, that definitely would have come up.

PopcornTreeCt
04-12-12, 12:17 AM
Anyone else think that Dr. Date-Rape was volunteering for more Vietnam because he kinda suspects that the baby isn't his (which also means he suspects Joan cheated on him)?


That's what I figured too.

majorjoe23
04-12-12, 07:41 AM
I don't think he's bored back home, but he was a failure. The army makes him feel important.

Buttmunker
04-12-12, 08:38 AM
The rise of the youth culture/counterculture will definitely test Don, but I don't see him turning into Roger.

As already pointed out, Don is only 40 or 41...he still has all his hair, but he keeps it combed in 1940s/50s fashion. Do you think Don will "let his hair down," lose the grease, let it grow long?

Naaaaaaah. Don't see it happening.

However, Don is a step above the norm for his generation. He went to a Beatles concert, he smoked pot, he has lovers who do heroin now...Don is not "wet behind the ears," and while he may have missed a Rolling Stones reference (what was that, by the way - I'm 41, well versed in the Stones, and I missed it, too - it could have been very subtle), he's still way above the curve for his generation, and I think Don has the capability of growing with the counter-culture.

I wonder, though, if he will take that coughing seriously, or if he will ignore his symptoms and continue smoking and drinking like there's no tomorrow.

Red Dog
04-12-12, 08:50 AM
Anyone else think that Dr. Date-Rape was volunteering for more Vietnam because he kinda suspects that the baby isn't his (which also means he suspects Joan cheated on him)?

I almost stoop up and cheered when she told him that he shouldn't bother coming back.

No. It's exactly what he said. Remember - he couldn't hack it as a surgeon the traditional way (so no respect), which is why he enlisted in the first place. Now he's got respect and it makes him feel like a real man.

Buttmunker
04-12-12, 08:56 AM
No. It's exactly what he said. Remember - he could hack it as a surgeon the traditional way (so no respect), which is why he enlisted in the first place. Now he's got respect and it makes him feel like a real man.

He's a piece of dog shite for choosing the military over his own wife and son (regardless if the kid is his or not - he has no knowledge of the deception, so for all intents and purposes, the kid is his).

Joan was right, 100% right, for telling him what she told him. It may have sounded cold, but what he did was infinitely colder.

Draven
04-12-12, 01:31 PM
No. It's exactly what he said. Remember - he couldn't hack it as a surgeon the traditional way (so no respect), which is why he enlisted in the first place. Now he's got respect and it makes him feel like a real man.

And looking at his rape victim all the time is probably not too fun for him either.

Red Dog
04-12-12, 02:06 PM
And looking at his rape victim all the time is probably not too fun for him either.

I don't think that would have anything to do with it. Sure wasn't a problem for him when he got home and again after that. I don't think he's the kind of man, particularly in that era, who sees it as rape nor sees a victim (the term "date rape" didn't exist back then), particularly if the woman ends up being his wife.

Draven
04-12-12, 02:42 PM
I don't think that would have anything to do with it. Sure wasn't a problem for him when he got home and again after that. I don't think he's the kind of man, particularly in that era, who sees it as rape nor sees a victim (the term "date rape" didn't exist back then), particularly if the woman ends up being his wife.

I think he felt a little guilty about it - at least that seemed to come across when she brought it up again. Going back to the military gets him out of his weird and tense marriage and brings him the respect he thinks he deserves.

Raul3
04-12-12, 04:35 PM
40 in the 60s is already old.

Jack Straw
04-13-12, 11:39 PM
Did anyone else besides me get the vibe that Peggy was going to pull a lezbo move on Dawn? Talk about affirmative action.

conscience
04-14-12, 08:46 AM
Great episode - again. I loved the nod to Sally being under the couch and how it went with the murders in Chicago with the one woman that survived hiding under the bed. :up:

Buttmunker
04-14-12, 12:47 PM
Did anyone else besides me get the vibe that Peggy was going to pull a lezbo move on Dawn? Talk about affirmative action.

It would have been cool, and I thought it could happen - until I remembered that Peggy turned down a chance at lesbianism when her gay friend tried to turn her on.

Peggy may act "man-ish," but, like Dawn said, you probably have to be in order to do the job Peggy has. And, while Peggy can't actually hold on to a man, she just can't get a boyfriend.

Draven
04-14-12, 08:13 PM
And, while Peggy can't actually hold on to a man, she just can't get a boyfriend.

...she has a boyfriend. She said he was out of town. He was with her at Don's party.