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islandclaws
04-05-12, 12:47 PM
From ABC News:

Stacy Knutson, a struggling Minnesota waitress and mother of five, says she was searching for a "miracle" to help her family with financial problems.

But that "miracle" quickly came and went after police seized a $12,000 tip that was left at her table. Knutson filed a lawsuit in Clay County District Court stating that the money is rightfully hers. Police argue it is drug money.

Knutson was working at the Fryn' Pan in Moorhead, Minn., when, according to her attorney, Craig Richie, a woman left a to-go box from another restaurant on the table. Knutson followed the woman to her car to return the box to her.

"No I am good, you keep it," the woman said, according to the lawsuit.

Knutson did not know the woman and has not seen her since, Richie said. Knutson thought it was "strange" that the woman told her to keep it but she took it inside. The box felt too heavy to be leftovers, Ritchie said, so she opened it -- only to find bundles of cash wrapped in rubber bands.

"Even though I desperately needed the money as my husband and I have five children, I feel I did the right thing by calling the Moorhead Police," Knutson said in the lawsuit.

Police seized the money and originally told Knutson that if no one claimed it after 60 days, it was hers. She was later told 90 days, Richie said. When 90 days passed, Knutson was still without the $12,000.

Police told Knutson the money was being held as "drug money" and she would receive a $1,000 reward instead, the lawsuit states. Lt. Tory Jacobson of the Moorhead police said he could not disclose much information about the case because it is an ongoing investigation.

"With turning this money over to us, we initiated an investigation to determine whose money this is," Jacobson told ABC News. "The result has been a narcotics investigation."

Police argue that the money had a strong odor of marijuana and therefore falls under a law that allows for forfeiture of the money because it was in the proximity of a controlled substance, the lawsuit states. But there were no drugs in the box and Richie said he believes this law is not being used correctly.

"Because it was in contact with drugs somewhere along the line, it's somehow drug money," Richie said. "This isn't drug money."

A police dog also performed a sniff test on the money and, according to the dog's handler, discovered an odor.

Two of Knutson's co-workers, along with her son Brandon, were at the Fryn' Pan the night she discovered the money. Her co-workers say they did not smell marijuana.

"I know the smell of marijuana," Nickolas Fronning, a line cook at the Fryn' Pan, said in an affidavit. "I can also assure you that there was no smell of marijuana on the bills or coming from the box."

There was nothing suspicious in the restaurant when the money was found, co-workers said. They don't why it was given to Knutson.

"She was just in the right place at the right time," Tracy Johnson, the assistant manager at the Fryn' Pan, told ABC News.

Knutson's family has had a long financial struggle. She has been a waitress at the Fryn' Pan for 18 years.

"We do everything we can to make ends meet, but often times everything is not covered," she said in the lawsuit.

Knutson's financial woes are well-known in her church, Richie said. She believes that perhaps someone from the church gave her the money through this woman but did not want to be identified.

"Somebody knew she really needed the money and she needed to be helped," Richie said.

Jacobson says it is up to the judge to decide who the money rightfully belongs to.

"The police department doesn't have a decision on either side," Jacobson said. "She did the right thing, we credit her with that. It's certainly not the police department against her. We're actually with her."

But Richie said he firmly believes this is not drug money and it rightfully belongs to Knutson.

"The only thing that smells bad about this is that it's unfair," Richie said. "So that's why we're doing something about it."

**********************************************

Let's just blindly turn over a huge amount of money that would help your life to a police force who clearly prefers to keep it. You know what would have been easier? Keeping the damn money the woman TOLD you to keep.

I hope she gets nothing back.

The Valeyard
04-05-12, 01:04 PM
I hope she learns her lesson - Doing the "right thing" is never the right thing.

arminius
04-05-12, 01:06 PM
Even if she gets the money now the lawyer and taxes will take a big chunk. She could have had 12Gs clear.

Timber
04-05-12, 01:10 PM
I don't understand the thought process of some people. Clearly you pocket the money and never mention it at work again.

SuperJim88
04-05-12, 01:11 PM
Yet another example why women should just stay in the kitchen.

Larry C.
04-05-12, 01:11 PM
Really drug money? :lol:

The police can say that about any money. 80% to 90% of all Bills have somekind of Cocaine residue on them.


I hope the next person learns the lesson..... Get 12K buy drugs... Sell drugs.... Now you have 20K.

Great job Police.

Canis Firebrand
04-05-12, 01:13 PM
The police might get lucky and get a 2-fer.

"I know the smell of marijuana," Nickolas Fronning, a line cook at the Fryn' Pan, said in an affidavit.

:lol:

palebluedot
04-05-12, 01:22 PM
Having less kids would have probably been the better choice to not struggle in life.

Red Dog
04-05-12, 01:46 PM
Another ridiculous example of civil forfeiture where property is considered guilty until proven innocent (which rarely happens). -rolleyes- Now that police force can go out and buy some new ridiculous toy that won't make their community any safer.


I hope she learns her lesson - Doing the "right thing" is never the right thing.

Yep. Take a lesson from the police here.

Deftones
04-05-12, 01:49 PM
Another ridiculous example of civil forfeiture where property is considered guilty until proven innocent (which rarely happens). -rolleyes- Now that police force can go out and buy some new ridiculous toy that won't make their community any safer.
i agree that this is a ridiculous situation. however, police generally use this money to upgrade equipment (vests, weapons, etc.) not spend it on ridiculous toys.

Groucho
04-05-12, 01:49 PM
i agree that this is a ridiculous situation. however, police generally use this money to upgrade equipment (vests, weapons, etc.) not spend it on ridiculous toys.According to this week's Justified it just goes in a safe somewhere.

RunBandoRun
04-05-12, 01:51 PM
Moorhead, Minnesota's finest. -ohbfrank- Then police wonder why people don't "do the right thing." Why should they, when the police are worse thieves than the drug dealers?

Larry C.
04-05-12, 02:12 PM
Moorhead, Minnesota's finest. -ohbfrank- Then police wonder why people don't "do the right thing." Why should they, when the police are worse thieves than the drug dealers?

At least dealers give you something in return.

starman9000
04-05-12, 02:27 PM
I'm starting to feel like I'm from Florida. :(

cpgator
04-05-12, 02:31 PM
Even if drug money, i don't think the cops should be allowed to keep it. That is just asking for trouble.

OscarBluth
04-05-12, 02:37 PM
Even if drug money, i don't think the cops should be allowed to keep it. That is just asking for trouble.
The waitress was asking for trouble by calling the cops. Snitches lose riches.

Canis Firebrand
04-05-12, 02:39 PM
Snitches lose riches.

Is that before or after they get the stitches? It's important to follow proper protocol. ;)

Dr Mabuse
04-05-12, 02:40 PM
Another ridiculous example of civil forfeiture where property is considered guilty until proven innocent (which rarely happens). -rolleyes- Now that police force can go out and buy some new ridiculous toy that won't make their community any safer.

Yep. It's astounding how much this type of literal highway robbery by law enforcement goes on all over the US and gets no mainstream coverage by our 'free and open' press.

Remember that guy in the midwest who let a friend test drive a truck he was going to sell to him, and then his friend got busted for something in the truck? The police stole the truck, knowing full well who owned it and had legal title, and then showed up in court saying the burden of proof was own the legal owner of the vehicle to prove that the truck could not possibly be used in future crimes.

Mabuse
04-05-12, 02:58 PM
i agree that this is a ridiculous situation. however, police generally use this money to upgrade equipment (vests, weapons, etc.) not spend it on ridiculous toys.

Tell that to my city's police force. Popuplation 75,000 and they have 3 hilocopters, 2 armored cars, and a SWAT force of 15 men. "Gotta spend every penny of that budget boys or else we can't ask for more next year."

Regarding "drug money"--I've been told that virtually every bill in circulation has trace amounts of drugs on it.

Rockmjd23
04-05-12, 03:04 PM
Is that before or after they get the stitches? It's important to follow proper protocol. ;)
But remember, they end up in ditches.

Canis Firebrand
04-05-12, 03:06 PM
But remember, they end up in ditches.

Sweet... I'm learning.

Snitches get stitches, lose their riches, and end up in ditches. Got it.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/nbc_the_more_you_know.jpg

Drexl
04-05-12, 03:12 PM
Sweet... I'm learning.

Snitches get stitches, lose their riches, and end up in ditches. Got it.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/nbc_the_more_you_know.jpg

Right, bitches.

Deftones
04-05-12, 03:17 PM
Tell that to my city's police force. Popuplation 75,000 and they have 3 hilocopters, 2 armored cars, and a SWAT force of 15 men. "Gotta spend every penny of that budget boys or else we can't ask for more next year."

Regarding "drug money"--I've been told that virtually every bill in circulation has trace amounts of drugs on it.

and this was paid for by confiscated drug money? you may suspect, but you don't know. just like i don't know they didn't. however, having been involved in these types of things, several of the local jurisdictions around me use it to fund equipment upgrades, not buy things that you'd love to use in grand theft auto 4.

WallyOPD
04-05-12, 03:19 PM
She could have used that money to buy her restaurant an 'i' for their name. :(

Mabuse
04-05-12, 03:19 PM
and this was paid for by confiscated drug money? Of course not. I never suggested that. I fucking WISH it was paid for by drug money. I PAY FOR IT. Everybody in my city pays for it.

superdeluxe
04-05-12, 03:22 PM
It smelled like marijuana = Drug Money!

starman9000
04-05-12, 03:36 PM
Photo of the family farm, fwiw:

http://content6.flixster.com/question/55/43/47/5543472_std.jpg

wmansir
04-05-12, 03:36 PM
My stepdad recently turned a wallet over to the cops that he found (no cash but it had CC, ID, etc) and he asked what happens when people turn in cash they found and the cop said that unless the original owner is found the department keeps it.

Fairness aside, it's bad policy in my opinion because it's basically removing any incentive for even attempting to return it to it's rightful owner.

Timber
04-05-12, 03:46 PM
Photo of the family farm, fwiw:

http://content6.flixster.com/question/55/43/47/5543472_std.jpg

There's a farm? I'm sorry I'm trying to see what going on with the cheerleader pic.

Red Dog
04-05-12, 04:13 PM
Nice to see that the Clay County's Attorneys office doesn't have their heads up their ass like the police force. They are giving back the money to her. :thumbsup:

http://www.startribune.com/local/146315905.html

Rockmjd23
04-05-12, 04:14 PM
She better not need to call 911 anytime soon.

Dr Mabuse
04-05-12, 04:53 PM
Nice to see that the Clay County's Attorneys office doesn't have their heads up their ass like the police force. They are giving back the money to her. :thumbsup:

http://www.startribune.com/local/146315905.html

That is cool.

Stupid of the waitress, what an idiot move, but cool the AO made it right.

glassdragon
04-05-12, 06:05 PM
Honestly she should have just kept it and used it on groceries and such, not buying anything expensive. I mean, it's not like she saw money fall off the back of an armored car, in that case I would argue that she should turn it in, but no one is missing this druggy's money.

Cusm
04-05-12, 06:06 PM
I thought most of the confiscated money went to the city/county and most police forces saw little from of it after that.

Rockmjd23
04-05-12, 06:29 PM
I thought most of the confiscated money went to the city/county and most police forces saw little from of it after that.
Apparently 100% of the money goes towards the police "we need a new armored tank" fund.

PopcornTreeCt
04-05-12, 06:29 PM
I'm assuming none of you guys have seen No Country For Old Men?

kvrdave
04-05-12, 07:14 PM
I can't believe they are giving her back drug money. I feel unsafer.

Mr. Salty
04-05-12, 07:31 PM
Yep. It's astounding how much this type of literal highway robbery by law enforcement goes on all over the US and gets no mainstream coverage by our 'free and open' press.

Here. (http://www.theintelligencer.com/local_news/article_bc6b20f2-4f20-11e0-bfaa-001cc4c002e0.html)

Here. (http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/forfeiture-41089-asset-police.html)

Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeH9D_tN-k&feature=player_embedded)

Here. (http://www.ktre.com/story/15355047/federal-judge-rules-in-favor-of-plaintiffs-in-lawsuit-against-tenaha)

Here. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-06/news/ct-met-canine-officers-20110105_1_drug-sniffing-dogs-alex-rothacker-drug-dog)

Those took me less than three minutes to find. I'm pretty sure there are more. Maybe you should read some "mainstream" press more often.

movie diva
04-05-12, 08:10 PM
Bet next time some leaves her a box of money, she will keep her mouth shut.

My Other Self
04-05-12, 08:16 PM
I don't think calling her stupid is justified. She morally did the right thing. I probably would have to, just because I'm too paranoid that something like that is just too good to be true. I think it's more fucked up on the police side of this, since she waited the allotted 90 days but then it changed her tip in to drug money.

I've been poor most of my life, I can understand where this woman is coming from. She followed the rules of the law.

RoadToPerdition
04-05-12, 08:28 PM
Here. (http://www.theintelligencer.com/local_news/article_bc6b20f2-4f20-11e0-bfaa-001cc4c002e0.html)

Here. (http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/forfeiture-41089-asset-police.html)

Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeH9D_tN-k&feature=player_embedded)

Here. (http://www.ktre.com/story/15355047/federal-judge-rules-in-favor-of-plaintiffs-in-lawsuit-against-tenaha)

Here. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-06/news/ct-met-canine-officers-20110105_1_drug-sniffing-dogs-alex-rothacker-drug-dog)

Those took me less than three minutes to find. I'm pretty sure there are more. Maybe you should read some "mainstream" press more often.

You got served.

islandclaws
04-05-12, 08:33 PM
I don't think calling her stupid is justified. She morally did the right thing. I probably would have to, just because I'm too paranoid that something like that is just too good to be true. I think it's more fucked up on the police side of this, since she waited the allotted 90 days but then it changed her tip in to drug money.

I've been poor most of my life, I can understand where this woman is coming from. She followed the rules of the law.

How is that following the rules of the law? The money didn't fall of a turnip truck. Someone gave it to her. She should've acted amazed at the amount, and then gone right the fuck home and shut her trap.

Dr Mabuse
04-05-12, 09:07 PM
Here. (http://www.theintelligencer.com/local_news/article_bc6b20f2-4f20-11e0-bfaa-001cc4c002e0.html)

Here. (http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/forfeiture-41089-asset-police.html)

Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeH9D_tN-k&feature=player_embedded)

Here. (http://www.ktre.com/story/15355047/federal-judge-rules-in-favor-of-plaintiffs-in-lawsuit-against-tenaha)

Here. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-06/news/ct-met-canine-officers-20110105_1_drug-sniffing-dogs-alex-rothacker-drug-dog)

Those took me less than three minutes to find. I'm pretty sure there are more. Maybe you should read some "mainstream" press more often.

:lol:

Great examples of mainstream media coverage!

rotfl

RunBandoRun
04-05-12, 09:20 PM
Now I'm worried that all this publicity will endanger her with whoever left the 12K on the table.

Jon2
04-05-12, 09:38 PM
How is that following the rules of the law? The money didn't fall of a turnip truck. Someone gave it to her. She should've acted amazed at the amount, and then gone right the fuck home and shut her trap.

This.

DVD Polizei
04-05-12, 09:56 PM
Now I'm worried that all this publicity will endanger her with whoever left the 12K on the table.

I'm afraid she'll have more kids.

Mr. Salty
04-05-12, 09:57 PM
:lol:

Great examples of mainstream media coverage!

rotfl

They are, aren't they? Local mainstream newspapers and TV stations covering the events you claim they're ignoring. Does the coverage have to be from a national outlet? One of the links I posted, about the city in Texas, says CNN and the Wall Street Journal had been following the case.

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
04-05-12, 10:14 PM
Nice to see that the Clay County's Attorneys office doesn't have their heads up their ass like the police force. They are giving back the money to her. :thumbsup:

http://www.startribune.com/local/146315905.html

Police should be ecstatic now, after all, they are on her side.

shadowhawk2020
04-06-12, 09:10 AM
I don't think calling her stupid is justified. She morally did the right thing. I probably would have to, just because I'm too paranoid that something like that is just too good to be true. I think it's more fucked up on the police side of this, since she waited the allotted 90 days but then it changed her tip in to drug money.

I've been poor most of my life, I can understand where this woman is coming from. She followed the rules of the law.

You're not poor, you're a soon to have.

Cardsfan111
04-06-12, 09:36 AM
Guess her reward for going through this process is now owing a nice chunk of change in taxes.

Red Dog
04-06-12, 10:09 AM
More sliminess by law enforcement in the area of civil forfeiture. This time courtesy the DHS. Fortunately, the victims prevailed in court.

United States v. $35,131:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/04/united-states-v-35131.php

We need more judges like this one.

TomOpus
04-06-12, 10:12 AM
Guess her reward for going through this process is now owing a nice chunk of change in taxes.She would've been flagged when she deposited the money in her bank account since it was over $10,000. I wouldn't think she'd think of that.

arminius
04-06-12, 10:18 AM
More sliminess by law enforcement in the area of civil forfeiture. This time courtesy the DHS. Fortunately, the victims prevailed in court.

United States v. $35,131:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/04/united-states-v-35131.php

We need more judges like this one.

Good as far as it goes but those guys should have been prosecuted.

Mabuse
04-06-12, 12:42 PM
She would've been flagged when she deposited the money in her bank account since it was over $10,000. I wouldn't think she'd think of that.

That's what matresses are for. She could have just spent the money a bit at a time. Groceries, gas, hair salon.

seven
04-06-12, 12:45 PM
Here's how I like to imagine it: "I'm sorry ma'am, but this money we've been storing in our evidence locker next to pounds and pounds of marijuana for 90 days has a strong odor of marijuana, so it must be drug money & we are going to have to confiscate it."

Bacon
04-07-12, 08:38 AM
I'm starting to feel like I'm from Florida. :(

You're not
Florida teams have won and competed for championships this century

wmansir
04-07-12, 01:42 PM
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Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeH9D_tN-k&feature=player_embedded)

I randomly picked this one (Tenn. highway patrol seizures). The damning evidence was that drug interdiction officers made 10 times as many stops on the "money export" side of the highway than the "drug import" side. You could make the argument that either type of seizure disrupts the drug trade, but besides the obvious difference of "keeping drugs off the streets" there is also the fact that the perpetrator is usually just let go when money is seized.

The one thing the cops did have going for them in the story is that the "victim" who had 200K in taped up cash bricks seized looks like he came from shooting an episode of Miami Vice.

The Bus
04-10-12, 04:45 PM
Photo of the family farm, fwiw:

http://content6.flixster.com/question/55/43/47/5543472_std.jpg

Well done.

Also... Line cook :lol: