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DJariya
04-01-12, 05:31 AM
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Synopsis:

In the second-season premiere, Robb Stark continues his campaign against the Lannisters, and Tyrion tries to rein in the impulsive Joffrey in King's Landing. Meanwhile, Stannis Baratheon sets out to claim his deceased brother's throne; and Daenerys and the khalasar try to survive in the Red Waste.

Episode 1 of 10

Trailer:

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To refresh your memory, here's a list of all the characters (Dead and Alive)

http://www.hbo.com/#/game-of-thrones/cast-and-crew/index.html

**As a courtesy, please keep this thread episode-related discussion**

Groucho
04-01-12, 10:45 AM
Last season HBO had a neat interactive map and family trees on their site. Looks like that's all been scrapped for a generic "cast and crew" listing? :(

Gilgamesh1082
04-01-12, 11:05 AM
Last season HBO had a neat interactive map and family trees on their site. Looks like that's all been scrapped for a generic "cast and crew" listing? :(

Probably due to folks getting pissy about non-spoiler spoilers. For instance, the fact that the Lannisters are led by the current patriarch, Tywin Lannister. That was an issue, a BIG issue, last year with some folks.

sq240
04-01-12, 11:13 AM
Does anyone know when this episode will appear on HBO GO?

chowderhead
04-01-12, 12:51 PM
Caught up on Blu Ray and broke down and finally got HBO because of Game of Thrones. I cannot wait!

DJariya
04-01-12, 06:17 PM
Does anyone know when this episode will appear on HBO GO?

According to HBO's Twitter feed, it will be posted the same time it airs on HBO.

;) Pinata will be happy.

DJariya
04-01-12, 06:58 PM
http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/

The above link is a viewer's guide to the show. I believe this is the interactive element that Groucho is talking about.

Cellar Door
04-01-12, 06:59 PM
Can't wait!

Groucho
04-01-12, 07:40 PM
http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/

The above link is a viewer's guide to the show. I believe this is the interactive element that Groucho is talking about.Indeed. Unfortunately they don't seem to have updated it for Season 2.

Dave99
04-01-12, 10:03 PM
excellent start to the season.

redrum
04-01-12, 10:11 PM
Season preview after the episode looked epic

Osiris3657
04-01-12, 10:12 PM
Awesome premiere, this season is going to be amazing.

MrX
04-01-12, 10:12 PM
Good start

Looks like Roz will be replacing Chataya.

PopcornTreeCt
04-01-12, 10:15 PM
Lannisters in trouble. Baratheon brothers fighting. Love it.

EEz28
04-01-12, 10:18 PM
Awesome premiere! Hasn't missed a beat.

Groucho
04-01-12, 10:30 PM
I wonder if the murdered babies and children will inspire all the same outrage that we got over the direwolf killed last season?

Who am I kidding? :lol: Of course not.

gp1086
04-01-12, 10:40 PM
Enjoyed the first episode. Looking forward to another great season!

Dave99
04-01-12, 10:46 PM
I wonder if the murdered babies and children will inspire all the same outrage that we got over the direwolf killed last season?

Who am I kidding? :lol: Of course not.

nah, they were bastards anyway.

Groucho
04-01-12, 10:54 PM
nah, they were bastards anyway.That may be, but Lady was a bitch!

starman9000
04-01-12, 11:06 PM
Great start for Season 2. It was odd/great seeing the paperboy from Spaced as Dontos, he fit the part.

I don't think I liked the Stannis casting initially, but I thought he was great.

DVD Josh
04-01-12, 11:22 PM
I thought it was an extremely tepid episode until the very end, then it was just more shocking than anything else. HOpefully the next episode will be better.

musick
04-01-12, 11:33 PM
thought it was well done since there was a lot to cover .... recapping last season and the introduction of a number of new (or only previously named) characters

PopcornTreeCt
04-02-12, 12:59 AM
Anyone notice Peter Dinklage got first billing?

musick
04-02-12, 01:06 AM
Anyone notice Peter Dinklage got first billing?

yep, rightfully so

Kal-El
04-02-12, 01:23 AM
I loved it except for the casting of Melissandre. I always pictured her as redheaded Galadriel, the exact opposite of what we got here.

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 01:45 AM
Loved it. Nice set up with all the different kings and such. Joffrey is still a prick. Peter dinklage getting first billing and rightfully so. Good to see that they haven't removed the the warging aspect of the series

musick
04-02-12, 02:16 AM
Nice set up with all the different kings and such.

the first episode of season 2 certainly made it clear why the second book was titled A Clash Of Kings

bdshort
04-02-12, 02:30 AM
Great start to the season! This season already has a more epic look to it, you can already see they were able to spend more money. I'm not so sure about the actress they cast for Melisandre either, I pictured her a bit differently. For some reason I pictured Davos as being a bit younger when I read the books, but I am already getting a good feeling about his character.

Superman07
04-02-12, 07:10 AM
I was expecting his to set up the season without much substance and that's exactly what we got.

I'd still like a better sense on the passage of time. Sometimes very difficult to tell how much time between scenes and/or gap between seeing the same characters again.

Pretty much everybody on the beach with fire was new, correct?

I have t read the books, but I'm hoping "real" king and John Snow team up. :up:

flashburn
04-02-12, 07:40 AM
Holy shit, Rob's Dire Wolf is massive.

lordwow
04-02-12, 08:18 AM
Holy shit, Rob's Dire Wolf is massive.

I had the same reaction, "Holy shit"

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 09:38 AM
Holy shit, Rob's Dire Wolf is massive.

Looked like the size of a small pony

JasonF
04-02-12, 09:44 AM
the first episode of season 2 certainly made it clear why the second book was titled A Clash Of Kings

And we didn't even see Renly in this episode!

Or Balon

JasonF
04-02-12, 09:46 AM
Pretty much everybody on the beach with fire was new, correct?

Correct.

I have t read the books, but I'm hoping "real" king and John Snow team up. :up:

Who do you consider the real king? Stannis?

csant
04-02-12, 10:20 AM
Fantastic start to season 2, can't for for more episodes.

Superman07
04-02-12, 10:25 AM
Correct.



Who do you consider the real king? Stannis?

Well I don't know that he's real per se, but I was referring to the bastard son headed North with the bull helmet.

fumanstan
04-02-12, 10:47 AM
Good episode, glad to have the show back. Joffrey is still a giant douche. The bastard killing at the end was great.

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 11:07 AM
The wife did not enjoy the killing of the babies and kids at the end. Brutal way to end the first episode.

CRM114
04-02-12, 11:32 AM
1. Episode should have been two hours. It didn't get rolling until 45 minutes in.

2. Assuming Joffrey is not the true king, doesn't there have to be a singular heir? And would that not be Stannis?

3. The baby killing at the end seemed kind of random. Am I to assume that was some sick power play by Cersei or was the specific baby targeted for some other reason?

steebo777
04-02-12, 11:39 AM
3. The baby killing at the end seemed kind of random. Am I to assume that was some sick power play by Cersei or was the specific baby targeted for some other reason?
It's all of Robert's bastard kids. I assume Joffrey is killing them off (or maybe his momma).

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 11:41 AM
1. Episode should have been two hours. It didn't get rolling until 45 minutes in.

2. Assuming Joffrey is not the true king, doesn't there have to be a singular heir? And would that not be Stannis?

3. The baby killing at the end seemed kind of random. Am I to assume that was some sick power play by Cersei or was the specific baby targeted for some other reason?


1. Agree, a ton to digest in such little amount of time.

2. Stannis would rightfully be the heir to the throne, problem is, no one likes him. Renly commands much more loyalty.

musick
04-02-12, 11:45 AM
3. The baby killing at the end seemed kind of random. Am I to assume that was some sick power play by Cersei or was the specific baby targeted for some other reason?

the baby shown at Littlefinger's brothel was hardly random at all
the mother and baby were shown/featured in season 1 when Ned visited them upon the urging of Littlefinger.

It set the tone for what followed (the slaughtering of the rest of King Robert's bastard children)

CRM114
04-02-12, 11:49 AM
I don't know how a viewer is able to surmise that without having read the book or possibly just finishing season 1.

But I admit I often miss details in these shows because I cannot understand what people say or don't know the names of the people being referred to.

How does killing the other bastards keep Joffrey on the throne?

lysander
04-02-12, 12:00 PM
I agree there are a lot of details that are going to be missed/overlooked without having read the book. I watched it with a couple of friends and kept having to stop and tell them who was who and what was going on even though most issues were referenced from season 1, albeit in a very minor way.

Loved some of the little details, such as the war council table at Dragonstone.

Dave99
04-02-12, 12:01 PM
How does killing the other bastards keep Joffrey on the throne?

because they have more of a claim to the throne than he does (he has none), although perhaps a bit less than stannis. Perhaps he figures if there are no local options, he is more likely to stay in power. Or eliminate the competition now, so they can't rise up in the future when the "secret" gets out.

musick
04-02-12, 12:01 PM
How does killing the other bastards keep Joffrey on the throne?

I don't believe that it keeps him on the throne but more or less erases evidence of Robert's unfaithfulness/indescressions and the truth about Joffrey's true parents

fumanstan
04-02-12, 12:03 PM
I don't know how a viewer is able to surmise that without having read the book or possibly just finishing season 1.

Because it was preceded by Joffrey and his mother's conversation about bastard children.

I understood what was happening, and I haven't read the books. :shrug:

bmoney1023
04-02-12, 12:08 PM
How does killing the other bastards keep Joffrey on the throne?

The way I look at it is, Joffrey was embarrassed/angry after the conversation with his mom, and being Joffrey, decided to have all the bastards killed. Or Cersei ordered it so no one could eventually make the connection that all of Robert's bastards having dark hair while Joffrey is a blonde. Or she did it because she's pissed he was unfaithful.

Groucho
04-02-12, 12:09 PM
Because it was preceded by Joffrey and his mother's conversation about bastard children.Yeah, I thought they made it as explicit as they could without having the subtitle "Joffrey Purges the Bastards" at the bottom of the screen.

csant
04-02-12, 12:10 PM
Because they all had black hair.... Robert's family dna is STRONG!

I wanted to see Tyrion slap Joffry again, like he did in season 1. lol

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 12:15 PM
I don't know how a viewer is able to surmise that without having read the book or possibly just finishing season 1.

But I admit I often miss details in these shows because I cannot understand what people say or don't know the names of the people being referred to.

How does killing the other bastards keep Joffrey on the throne?

Which part? The bastards or Stannis and him being the rightful heir?

bdshort
04-02-12, 12:34 PM
I've read the books but didn't remember the killing of Robert's bastards. I figured it was just Joffrey being Joffrey, as it happened pretty much right after his conversation with his mother.

Hard to say what we'll get next week but it looks like we will be introduced to Balon Greyjoy

musick
04-02-12, 12:35 PM
I wanted to see Tyrion slap Joffry again, like he did in season 1. lol

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110607173621/uncyclopedia/images/d/da/Tyrion_slaps_Joffrey.gif

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 12:52 PM
I've read the books but didn't remember the killing of Robert's bastards. I figured it was just Joffrey being Joffrey, as it happened pretty much right after his conversation with his mother.

Hard to say what we'll get next week but it looks like we will be introduced to Balon Greyjoy


Renly/Margery as well I'm guessing.

In regards to your first question

Alot of that stuff happened in the background.

Mordred
04-02-12, 12:59 PM
In regards to your first question

Alot of that stuff happened in the background.Unless I'm mis-remembering things in the book
The King's men interrogated the group heading to the Wall looking for Gendry in the second book.

Also, for all those thinking that the killing of the bastards is done because they could be heirs, in Westeros a bastard cannot be King. A bastard must be legitimized to have any claim to the throne. Stannis is the rightful king.
super mild historical spoiler proving this fact, which takes place 100 years before the books/series (and a few years before the Dunk and Egg Novelas):
This was an important plot in the history of the books as one of the Targaryen Kings (a few years before the Dunk and Egg stories start) legitimized all his bastards on his deathbed, one of them believed he should be the true king over his legitimate brother and he then started the Blackfyre rebellion.

DJariya
04-02-12, 01:26 PM
:thumbsup: Good premiere.

But, I have to admit it was a little hard to follow in some parts trying to get re-acquainted with all the characters and then trying to get to know all these new characters they introduced.

Melisandre (the red head) seems like an interesting character.

Question, who was that person that bled out from the mouth after talking to her?

:lol: Love how Joffrey continues to be a piece of shit.

-eek- I was surprised to see him send his soldiers to execute the bastard children.

:thumbsup: to Peter Dinklage getting top billing in the credits.

I like how Robb Stark has taken a much more commanding leadership presence in this episode.

I haven't read the books, so I had to read the chracter profiles to know who was who.

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 01:34 PM
I liked how they had sex without the sexposition.

DJariya
04-02-12, 01:38 PM
:lol: at Shae saying that she loves the smell of Cum.

starman9000
04-02-12, 01:39 PM
Melisandre (the red head) seems like an interesting character.

Question, who was that person that bled out from the mouth after talking to her?



Maester Cressen. He was the Maester at Dragonstone and helped raise the Baratheons.

You did notice he poisoned the wine right?

SiberianLlama
04-02-12, 01:43 PM
Great first episode. It did a good job at reminding us where things left off, with giving us a glimpse of where things will go.

The killing of the bastards at the end was pretty grim. I wasn't keeping track, but does anyone know how many bastards were killed?

King Robert got around...

Tommy Ceez
04-02-12, 01:54 PM
Joffery killed the bastards because he is a moron.

Some poor kid with no dad is going to take the throne? Nope

Its just another killing of Ned Stark. Joffery thinks killing people is what kings do.

chowderhead
04-02-12, 02:03 PM
I think Cersei was responsible. Joffrey believes he is the rightful heir to the throne ... not just a claim as he corrected his mother. I think he couldn't care less about the bastards. Cersei on the other hand would want to get rid of any proof i.e. children with dark hair. She also controls the City guards and Lord Janos Slynt.

CRM114
04-02-12, 02:10 PM
I've read the books but didn't remember the killing of Robert's bastards. I figured it was just Joffrey being Joffrey, as it happened pretty much right after his conversation with his mother.

Hard to say what we'll get next week but it looks like we will be introduced to Balon Greyjoy

It sort of happened after Cersei's confrontation with Littlefinger too so I saw it possibly as some sort of continued power play.

sven
04-02-12, 02:13 PM
Loved Carice as Mel. The scene where Cressen tries to poison her and she drinks even after its become obvious what he's trying to do. Pure badass.

CRM114
04-02-12, 02:15 PM
As for the scene with the poisoned wine, the red headed lady, and the dude's ensuing death. What was up with that?

I'm guessing the red-headed lady has some undue influence on Stannis that the other dudes don't like. Thus, the old guy tried to poison her. However, the poison had no effect on her yet the old guy died just holding it in his mouth?

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 02:23 PM
As for the scene with the poisoned wine, the red headed lady, and the dude's ensuing death. What was up with that?

I'm guessing the red-headed lady has some undue influence on Stannis that the other dudes don't like. Thus, the old guy tried to poison her. However, the poison had no effect on her yet the old guy died just holding it in his mouth?

Just goes to show how bad ass she is.

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 02:58 PM
http://i.imgur.com/CzAlQ.png

Thrush
04-02-12, 03:09 PM
2. Stannis would rightfully be the heir to the throne, problem is, no one likes him. Renly commands much more loyalty.

From last season Cersei seemed to fear Stannis more than anyone. But of all the people laying claim to the throne his position seems the weakest. Or Am I missing something?

Shannon Nutt
04-02-12, 03:10 PM
I was pretty excited that Jean Reno was part of the new cast:
https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7zKcIeR8i7tDZ_Qa4AVNZ8xq11rKJr4d_bIBMpdLMVnOkjx8H

Only to realize today that it's actually Irish actor Liam Cunningham. :blush:
https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwC2QmMCP21uUesOVByn1jgfFAyOL8waQfunIozboyPWoxz5-H

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 03:15 PM
From last season Cersei seemed to fear Stannis more than anyone. But of all the people laying claim to the throne his position seems the weakest. Or Am I missing something?

Stannis has the cleanest line of succession to the throne. His position is the weakest because he can't rally bannermen like Renly can.

Renly controls 100k soldiers and has the backing of the Tyrell family. Which is huge.

CRM114
04-02-12, 03:17 PM
So I take it Renly and Stannis don't like each other?

Dave99
04-02-12, 03:18 PM
As for the scene with the poisoned wine, the red headed lady, and the dude's ensuing death. What was up with that?

I'm guessing the red-headed lady has some undue influence on Stannis that the other dudes don't like. Thus, the old guy tried to poison her. However, the poison had no effect on her yet the old guy died just holding it in his mouth?

she worships the god of light, not the 7 (the statues burned on the beach), which is what most people are following. (The starks follow the old gods, hence last season jon snow went beyond the wall to the special tree to swear his allegiance to the black). She has convinced stannis that the god of light is the way to go, much to the disappointment of the others that follow the 7. They pretty much think she is a witch, or something similar.

Dave99
04-02-12, 03:20 PM
So I take it Renly and Stannis don't like each other?

stannis doesn't really like anyone. and nobody likes him either.

JasonF
04-02-12, 03:24 PM
Well I don't know that he's real per se, but I was referring to the bastard son headed North with the bull helmet.

OK -- that's Gendry. Since he's a bastard, he has zero claim to the throne. Here's a rundown of the claimants we've seen so far:

Joffrey: If he is, in fact, Robert's trueborn son, then he is Robert's rightful heir.

Stannis: If Robert has no trueborn children, then the throne passes to Robert's next oldest brother, Stannis.

Renly: Renly is Stannis and Robert's younger brother. He doesn't have a legitimate claim to the throne per se while Stannis is alive, but his position is that Stannis would make a terrible king, and Renly is therefore next in line.

Daenerys: She is the head of the Targaryen line, which was deposed about 20 years before the events of the show. If we're going to have a revolution, why not restore the Targaryens, who had rules for three centuries prior.

Robb: Not a claimant to the Iron Throne per se. He wants to be the king in an independent North (the North had been independent until the Targaryen conquest, three centuries prior to the events of the show). As far as he's concerned, Joffrey, Stannis, and Renly can do what they like with the south.

JasonF
04-02-12, 03:27 PM
3. The baby killing at the end seemed kind of random. Am I to assume that was some sick power play by Cersei or was the specific baby targeted for some other reason?

All of Robert's bastards are being killed -- not because they have a legitimate claim to the throne, but because (unlike Cersei's children) they all look like Robert. Cersei fears that if there are a bunch of kids from a bunch of mothers who 1) are all Robert's bastards, and 2) all look like him, someone is going to start to question why Robert's kids with Cersei don't look like him.

CRM114
04-02-12, 03:31 PM
Did Ned get the revelation about the bastards by observing their hair color or reading about them in the giant book?

JasonF
04-02-12, 03:35 PM
Melisandre (the red head) seems like an interesting character.

Question, who was that person that bled out from the mouth after talking to her?

He's Maester Cressen, though I don't think they gave his name in the show. He's the guy who stood before the crowd on the beach and exhorted them not to abandon the Old Gods as Melisandre was burning them.

I thought they could have been a little more explicit about his motives, but basically, Cressen was trying to poison Melisandre. He put poison in her wine then shared the cup with her, knowing the poison would kill them both, but that Stannis would be saved from her influence. Unfortunately for Cressen, the Lord of Light protects her.

sven
04-02-12, 03:36 PM
Did Ned get the revelation about the bastards by observing their hair color or reading about them in the giant book?

That and Sansa's comment about how Joff is absolutely nothing like his father.

JasonF
04-02-12, 03:38 PM
Did Ned get the revelation about the bastards by observing their hair color or reading about them in the giant book?

First Sansa's comment, as sven notes, then the book that Jon Arryn had been reading -- a book of noble genealogies, showing that for generations, whenever a Baratheon married a Lannister, the children of the marriage had dark Baratheon hair. Finally, observing the bastards to confirm.

sven
04-02-12, 03:46 PM
As for the scene with the poisoned wine, the red headed lady, and the dude's ensuing death. What was up with that?

I'm guessing the red-headed lady has some undue influence on Stannis that the other dudes don't like. Thus, the old guy tried to poison her. However, the poison had no effect on her yet the old guy died just holding it in his mouth?


She is pushing Stannis into a war against multiple armies all of which dwarf his own. He only has like 5,000 men. His brother alone has 20x that amount.

Robert really fucked Stannis over by giving him Dragonstone as a seat instead of Storms End which went to Renly. By their customs it should have been the other way around. The younger brother should have gotten the poorer lands.

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 03:54 PM
Did Ned get the revelation about the bastards by observing their hair color or reading about them in the giant book?

Both, and there was a comment about how Baratheons seed is strong and they always have dark hair.

outcastja
04-02-12, 04:12 PM
Renly is the one that was being shaved down by the blonde boy from the tournament correct? Is he still part of the Small Council? I noticed he wasn't present in the meeting with Cersei in this episode.

Groucho
04-02-12, 04:16 PM
Renly fled right before the end of episode 8 of season 1, after Ned wouldn't go along with his plan of a more direct rebellion.

Burnt Thru
04-02-12, 04:17 PM
If he was part of the small council and raising an army of 100,000 against Joffrey he might find himself gently killed for his efforts. No, he's off out of harms way. He fled as soon as Ned refused to support his claim to the throne.

Dave99
04-02-12, 04:18 PM
Renly is the one that was being shaved down by the blonde boy from the tournament correct? Is he still part of the Small Council? I noticed he wasn't present in the meeting with Cersei in this episode.

No, he fled south after robert died (remember last season he wanted ned stark to join him in taking out the queen and joff when that happened. Ned refused, renly left, because he knew what would happen -to both ned and himself)

CRM114
04-02-12, 04:18 PM
Thanks for the background on Melisandre. I didn't get any of that Gods stuff from watching the show.

movie diva
04-02-12, 04:27 PM
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110607173621/uncyclopedia/images/d/da/Tyrion_slaps_Joffrey.gif

Oh I love that gif, too bad its only Joffery, need some Sensa in there also

movie diva
04-02-12, 04:31 PM
Did Ned get the revelation about the bastards by observing their hair color or reading about them in the giant book?

He got it after he told Sensa and Arya to pack and go home, and Sensa said she wanted to give Jeffery blonde babies and then he read the description of Roberts family, they are all dark haired

fumanstan
04-02-12, 04:36 PM
Thanks for the background on Melisandre. I didn't get any of that Gods stuff from watching the show.

Yeah, I had no idea really what they were talking about with the God stuff either.

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 04:45 PM
Renly fled right before the end of episode 8 of season 1, after Ned wouldn't go along with his plan of a more direct rebellion.

Ned could have prevented all of this crap in one fell swoop.

JasonF
04-02-12, 04:48 PM
We've seen at least three theologies on the show so far:

1. The Seven Gods worshipped by most of Westeros
2. The Old Gods worshipped in the North (both by the Starks in their Godswood and by the Wildlings)
3. As of last night's episode, a third religion -- the Lord of Light, a monotheistic religion previously not really present in Westeros.

Superman07
04-02-12, 04:49 PM
She is pushing Stannis into a war against multiple armies all of which dwarf his own. He only has like 5,000 men. His brother alone has 20x that amount.

Robert really fucked Stannis over by giving him Dragonstone as a seat instead of Storms End which went to Renly. By their customs it should have been the other way around. The younger brother should have gotten the poorer lands.

Is Storms End where Tyrion was on trial?

JasonF
04-02-12, 04:55 PM
Is Storms End where Tyrion was on trial?

No, that's the Eyrie, ancestral home of House Arryn. We've never seen Storm's End, but it's the ancestral home of House Baratheon.

Dragonstone, where Stannis is, is the ancestral home of House Targaryen. It was a desolate, sparsely inhabited rock when the Targaryens first arrived in Westeros 300 years prior to the show. Robert sent Stannis there because he needed someone to whip the Targaryen's remaining bannermen into shape and make sure they remained loyal, but Stannis just views it as getting stuck with a shitty domain while his younger brother Renly got the ancestral home.

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 04:56 PM
Is Storms End where Tyrion was on trial?

No he was in the Vale at the Eayrie

bdshort
04-02-12, 05:00 PM
No, he was on trial at the Eyrie, which is the seat of power of the Arryn family. Lysa Arryn is Catelyn Stark's sister and basically ran the place after Jon Arryn was murdered just before the beginning of season 1.

I thought the religion stuff was pretty easy to figure out, but I have read the books. I think it was spelled out enough when Maester Cressen was pleading with the people on the beach not to abandon their old gods for this new one, but obviously Melisandre wields a lot of power. I hope nobody sees this as a spoiler, but at least from reading the books, Stannis sees Melisandre as more of a means to and end... I've never really got the impression that he actually believes any of her mumbo jumbo, but it's enough that she's able to convince his people that she is dangerous.

Gunde
04-02-12, 05:12 PM
I don't know how a viewer is able to surmise that without having read the book or possibly just finishing season 1.
I'll say that those who haven't read the books (like me) are missing out by not studying the viewers guide on the blu-ray/dvd/hbo.com before rewatching season 1.
The rewatch in itself is a must IMO. It makes everything much more clear.

Awesome premiere. I loved every second.

Dr. DVD
04-02-12, 05:28 PM
I read the second book and cannot recall the killing of all the bastard children. I'm sure it happened, but so much does in the course of a book in this series that it's hard to remember every detail.

Dr. DVD
04-02-12, 05:32 PM
Oh, and in terms of Melissandre she really does have powers. I saw a clip in a preview where it looked like she was "giving birth" to something. ;)

Thrush
04-02-12, 05:33 PM
She is pushing Stannis into a war against multiple armies all of which dwarf his own. He only has like 5,000 men. His brother alone has 20x that amount.

Robert really fucked Stannis over by giving him Dragonstone as a seat instead of Storms End which went to Renly. By their customs it should have been the other way around. The younger brother should have gotten the poorer lands.

Here I was thinking Stannis was this badass who no-one wanted to fuck with.

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 05:36 PM
Here I was thinking Stannis was this badass who no-one wanted to fuck with.

He is kind of a hardass.

lordwow
04-02-12, 05:47 PM
This is probably the easiest map to follow the major locations in the show/book, the books have much more detailed maps at the beginning:

http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/Thrones-Map-A.jpg

rocketsauce
04-02-12, 05:50 PM
Oh, and in terms of Melissandre she really does have powers. I saw a clip in a preview where it looked like she was "giving birth" to something. ;)

:up:

rocketsauce
04-02-12, 05:53 PM
No, he was on trial at the Eyrie, which is the seat of power of the Arryn family. Lysa Arryn is Catelyn Stark's sister and basically ran the place after Jon Arryn was murdered just before the beginning of season 1.

I thought the religion stuff was pretty easy to figure out, but I have read the books. I think it was spelled out enough when Maester Cressen was pleading with the people on the beach not to abandon their old gods for this new one, but obviously Melisandre wields a lot of power. I hope nobody sees this as a spoiler, but at least from reading the books, Stannis sees Melisandre as more of a means to and end... I've never really got the impression that he actually believes any of her mumbo jumbo, but it's enough that she's able to convince his people that she is dangerous.

It took me reading the books, watching the first season and reading all the threads here to fully grasp the religious tones in the series. I mean I understood the basics but not fully.

I can totally understand how someone who hasn't read the books can get confused. I don't think it was totally clear last night that the wooden statues burning were essentially effigies of the other religion. But I guess there are people who can pick up on that type of detail better than I can.

flashburn
04-02-12, 06:51 PM
The King of the North!


I can't stop thinking/saying some of these phrases. :lol:

Winter is coming.

dhmac
04-02-12, 09:14 PM
Holy shit, Rob's Dire Wolf is massive.
The real Dire Wolves found in the La Brea Tar Pits were massive, so it figures that once the ones on the show grew up, they would be the same size.

flashburn
04-02-12, 09:21 PM
The real Dire Wolves found in the La Brea Tar Pits were massive, so it figures that once the ones on the show grew up, they would be the same size.

A Game of Thrones takes place on Earth?

CKMorpheus
04-02-12, 09:56 PM
Great premier. I've re-watched Season 1 recently which really helped clear up some of the questions I had when I first saw it.

The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?

Snowmaker
04-02-12, 09:56 PM
Maester Cressen. He was the Maester at Dragonstone and helped raise the Baratheons.

You did notice he poisoned the wine right?

No, but I did notice he was Sio Bibble from the Star Wars prequels as soon as he came on screen.

Thrush
04-02-12, 10:01 PM
The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?

Stannis said in his meeting he wouldnt make the same mistake Ned made by keeping that a secret. He sent out ravens to spread the info.

Defiant1
04-02-12, 10:03 PM
Great premier. I've re-watched Season 1 recently which really helped clear up some of the questions I had when I first saw it.

The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?

Did you miss the scene where Stannis composes (and furiously edits!) the letter which he then broadcasts via raven-mail to all corners of Westeros?

Here I was thinking Stannis was this badass who no-one wanted to fuck with.

He is. Of all the kings rattling their sabres in Westeros, he is by far the most experienced in battle, known for his ruthlessness. Joffrey and Renly have never fought anything and Robb Stark, although doing quite well with his three victories so far, has only fought in these three relatively minor battles.

superdeluxe
04-02-12, 10:20 PM
Great premier. I've re-watched Season 1 recently which really helped clear up some of the questions I had when I first saw it.

The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?

Ned got word to stannis, stannis let everyone know, I think renly knew as well

CKMorpheus
04-02-12, 10:26 PM
Did you miss the scene where Stannis composes (and furiously edits!) the letter which he then broadcasts via raven-mail to all corners of Westeros?

No I didn't miss that scene and actually really enjoyed it... My question was more on... how did word get to Stannis in the first place... which I see was answered below.

Ned got word to stannis, stannis let everyone know, I think renly knew as well

Ah, I guess I need to watch the first season again for the third time. This is a very dense show. I absolutely love it!

MrX
04-02-12, 10:45 PM
Ah, I guess I need to watch the first season again for the third time. This is a very dense show. I absolutely love it!

it was the letter that Ned gave to one of his men and told him to deliver the letter directly to Stannis and place it in only his hand.

dhmac
04-02-12, 11:19 PM
A Game of Thrones takes place on Earth?
Well, an Earth-like place where Dire Wolves aren't extinct and Dragons are more than just legends :)

PopcornTreeCt
04-02-12, 11:52 PM
I didn't know there were real giant wolf bones found in the La Brea Tar Pits. I'm off to Google.

boogieman03
04-03-12, 02:46 AM
OK -- that's Gendry. Since he's a bastard, he has zero claim to the throne. Here's a rundown of the claimants we've seen so far:

Joffrey: If he is, in fact, Robert's trueborn son, then he is Robert's rightful heir.

Stannis: If Robert has no trueborn children, then the throne passes to Robert's next oldest brother, Stannis.

Renly: Renly is Stannis and Robert's younger brother. He doesn't have a legitimate claim to the throne per se while Stannis is alive, but his position is that Stannis would make a terrible king, and Renly is therefore next in line.

Daenerys: She is the head of the Targaryen line, which was deposed about 20 years before the events of the show. If we're going to have a revolution, why not restore the Targaryens, who had rules for three centuries prior.

Robb: Not a claimant to the Iron Throne per se. He wants to be the king in an independent North (the North had been independent until the Targaryen conquest, three centuries prior to the events of the show). As far as he's concerned, Joffrey, Stannis, and Renly can do what they like with the south.

Thank you for this.

boredsilly
04-03-12, 07:23 AM
I don't think I hate anyone on TV as much as I hate Joffrey. He is like everything the Harry Potter franchise tried to do with Draco Malfoy, only times a million billion trillion. Just the actors face makes me want to gag.

It's great!

starman9000
04-03-12, 07:53 AM
The King of the North!


I can't stop thinking/saying some of these phrases. :lol:

Winter is coming.

It's the King IN the North. ;)

CRM114
04-03-12, 09:10 AM
Who's Gendry again?

Groucho
04-03-12, 09:12 AM
Who's Gendry again?The blacksmith's assistant and Robert's bastard. Featured in the closing shot of this episode with Arya.

chowderhead
04-03-12, 09:14 AM
I have a soft spot for Gendry. He is the bastard son of Robert Baratheon. He was the boy that Ned visited at the blacksmith.
Currently Gendry has escaped Kings Landing and is on his way to the Wall with Arya.

boredsilly
04-03-12, 09:16 AM
Gendry seems like he's going to grow into being a total badass.

xVladx
04-03-12, 10:12 AM
Thank you for this.

There's also that guy north of the wall that the other guy with all the daughters mentioned. I'm sure I'm butchering the spelling, but it sounded like Mansrader or something. Not so much a claimant to the throne directly, but more like someone who just wants to rally an army and go invade.

Of course, given what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like the area north of the wall is really all that populated, so perhaps he's just someone with a few crackpot followers who thinks that they're stronger than they are.

starman9000
04-03-12, 10:22 AM
Mance Rayder, a former black brother.

DeputyDave
04-03-12, 10:26 AM
There's also that guy north of the wall that the other guy with all the daughters mentioned. I'm sure I'm butchering the spelling, but it sounded like Mansrader or something. Not so much a claimant to the throne directly, but more like someone who just wants to rally an army and go invade.

Of course, given what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like the area north of the wall is really all that populated, so perhaps he's just someone with a few crackpot followers who thinks that they're stronger than they are.

Mance Rayder. It was revealed in this episode that he was a former Night Watch brother who betrayed his vows and joined the Wildlings. He is now gathering them together in one huge army and calling himself king.

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 10:42 AM
Who's Gendry again?

The Blacksmith apprentice, we met him several times last year

pinata242
04-03-12, 10:49 AM
Somehow the second episode leaked through HBOGo, but I can't find any link or reference to it now on the website. Someone captured it so if you're really jonesin' for more, it's out there, but you'll have a bigger gap before episode 3 ;)

Thrush
04-03-12, 10:54 AM
Game of Thrones returned with a series high 2.0 adults 18-49 rating to go along with its 3.86 million viewers.

andicus
04-03-12, 10:56 AM
The blacksmith's assistant and Robert's bastard. Featured in the closing shot of this episode with Arya.

Some might recognize him as Chris from the UK series "Skins."

Also, if I'm not mistaken, one of Craster's daughter/wives was played by the actress that was Cassie in Skins.

Speaking of Craster, why are they essentially kissing his ass? I'm not looking for spoilers from those that have read the books, just wondering if there's something I may have missed in the episode.

pinata242
04-03-12, 10:59 AM
Holy shit! That's insane for premium cable!

Deftones
04-03-12, 11:02 AM
Holy shit! That's insane for premium cable!

Wasn't True Blood getting like 5-6 million viewers regularly?

In an article on EW last week, they said GoT was getting about 9 million total views (initial airings, reairings, DVR and HBO Go).

pinata242
04-03-12, 11:04 AM
But that's not total viewers or total views. It's a series high for GoT which was killing it last year too. Remember how everyone was going to turn it off after Baelor?

CRM114
04-03-12, 11:05 AM
Mance Rayder. It was revealed in this episode that he was a former Night Watch brother who betrayed his vows and joined the Wildlings. He is now gathering them together in one huge army and calling himself king.

Wait, is the guy with all the "wives" Mance Rayder or is that someone else?

chowderhead
04-03-12, 11:06 AM
Season Two Premiere of True Blood did 3.7 million. GoT is doing slightly better.
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/294649-Cable_Ratings_True_Blood_Delivers_For_HBO.php?rssid=20065

pinata242
04-03-12, 11:07 AM
Wait, is the guy with all the "wives" Mance Rayder or is that someone else?

Someone else. We haven't met Mance Rayder. Craster is the guy with all the wives/daughters and no sons.

covenant
04-03-12, 11:08 AM
Speaking of Craster, why are they essentially kissing his ass? I'm not looking for spoilers from those that have read the books, just wondering if there's something I may have missed in the episode.

He allows them to use his "keep" as a base of operations beyond the wall. Plus he's a good source of intel. He is essentially their only ally north of the wall.

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 11:28 AM
Very nice GoT ratings. We should hear about season 3 and 4 renewals any day now.

From EW:

Thrones returned to 3.9 million viewers. That’s up a massive 74 percent from its series debut last year. It also greatly improves upon the show’s previous all-time high, which was just over 3 million viewers. Including all three Sunday airings, the show delivered 6.3 million viewers. The numbers mean a third season renewal is pretty much guaranteed.

islandclaws
04-03-12, 11:29 AM
Awesome opener. So incredibly happy to have this back for another season.

Loved the scene with Cersei and Littlefinger. She reminded him real quick how fast he could be wiped out. The look of terror on his face was palpable.

Robb's wolf = holy shit.

Tyrion's sharp tongue with both Joff and Cersei quickly reminded me why he's the best character on the show.

The preview for the upcoming weeks looks amazing. I hate having to wait a week after each episode.

Hiro11
04-03-12, 11:34 AM
As others have said, this is an exposition episode meant to re-establish where everyone is, it's not an episode where a lot happens

Liked:
Robb becoming more adult and more commanding. The actor they chose is pretty good.
Joffrey being a psychopathic child. They're laying on a bit thick but it's true to the books and well played.
Tyrion, Tyrion and more Tyrion. He's in almost every scene.
This show is not afraid of throwing in a jarring, bracing ending. That ending would not have been shown in any other show. Jesus.
The production quality has been upped significantly (it no longer looks a bit "Conan the Destroyer"). Also, the producers have done a great job establishing each setting so distinctly with set design and color temperatures (pale snow=Wall, warm yellow Mediterranian = King's Landing, overexposed desert = Red Waste, grey rocky seashore = Dragonstone etc), it makes it easier to follow where exactly the action you're watching is taking place.

Didn't like:
Littlefinger antagonizing Cersei. It's totally out of character, he wouldn't (and didn't) do that in the books. The scene is partially redeemed because it shows how petty and stupid Cersei is (never, ever pick on Littlefinger no matter who you are) but it plays false.
Too little Arya, my personal favorite character. Her story this season is probably going to be the highlight, let's get it started already.

Too early to tell:
Stannis and his people. They were only on for two scenes. Davos is an excellent character once we learn more about him. Mellisandre seemed a bit too "Hollywood" for the role, but I'll withold my judgement for now.
The Wall stuff. OK, they go see Craster. Not much happens. Can't wait for the battle with the Others coming shortly

Overall, compelling TV.

Tommy Ceez
04-03-12, 11:42 AM
Speaking of Craster, why are they essentially kissing his ass? I'm not looking for spoilers from those that have read the books, just wondering if there's something I may have missed in the episode.

Because in the vast nothingness that is north of the Wall, Craster is relatively friendly and hospitable to Nights Watch brothers who swing by his incest house while out ranging


Robb's wolf = holy shit.


This is the first time the show attempted to represent how massive they are supposed to be

Dr Mabuse
04-03-12, 11:48 AM
This was a blast. Man it's cool to have this show back.

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 11:49 AM
Robb's wolf = holy shit.

.

We can now see how these things can take down a horse by themselves, they are the size of a pony

Tommy Ceez
04-03-12, 11:51 AM
We can now see how these things can take down a horse by themselves, they are the size of a pony

Which is crazy in the fact that they refuse to show Ghost

then again, Ghost spends a lot of time out hunting

starman9000
04-03-12, 11:57 AM
This is the first time the show attempted to represent how massive they are supposed to be

They showed it in the first episode.

andicus
04-03-12, 12:07 PM
He allows them to use his "keep" as a base of operations beyond the wall. Plus he's a good source of intel. He is essentially their only ally north of the wall.

Because in the vast nothingness that is north of the Wall, Craster is relatively friendly and hospitable to Nights Watch brothers who swing by his incest house while out ranging


Thanks!

Josh-da-man
04-03-12, 12:14 PM
A Game of Thrones takes place on Earth?

We don't know for certain when or where it takes place.

It could take place somewhere in the prehistoric past, like before the last ice age. All of this "winter" business might tie into the coming of an ice age.

I've also seen theories that put it in the distant future, after our society has collapsed and been forgotten. The strange seasonal pattern might be due to the Earth's rotation being thrown out of whack.

JasonF
04-03-12, 12:21 PM
Speaking of Craster, why are they essentially kissing his ass? I'm not looking for spoilers from those that have read the books, just wondering if there's something I may have missed in the episode.

Because they're in the middle of a wilderness filled with hostile wildlings and beasts. Craster's keep is basically the only thing around that remotely resembles safety. Think of it as a forward base. So they need to keep Craster happy or else they have no haven north of the Wall.

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 12:22 PM
Which is crazy in the fact that they refuse to show Ghost

then again, Ghost spends a lot of time out hunting

Ghost from 2nd episode:

Spoilerized:

http://i.imgur.com/6K3UT.gif

starman9000
04-03-12, 12:25 PM
This thread just might break a record for repetitious answers.

JasonF
04-03-12, 12:25 PM
Too little Arya, my personal favorite character. Her story this season is probably going to be the highlight, let's get it started already.

Hot Pie!

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 12:26 PM
This thread just might break a record for repetitious answers.

guilty.

:(

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 01:18 PM
Ryan and Ryan podcast on Game of Thrones 1st episode:

http://web.me.com/mcgeeryan/The_Pod_Squad/Talking_TV_with_Ryan_and_Ryan/Entries/2012/4/2_Game_of_Thrones__The_North_Remembers.html

Special guest editor of Wic.net

Dr Mabuse
04-03-12, 01:23 PM
Yes sir the first episode was great stuff.


http://i.imgur.com/5i2o7.jpg

...and that's all I have to say about that.

islandclaws
04-03-12, 02:49 PM
Dude, don't bring the 2nd ep in here...

CRM114
04-03-12, 02:50 PM
Weird that Joffrey allows Tyrion to make a fool of him in front of everyone.

Also strange that Littlefinger would think Cersei wouldn't have him rubbed out in an instant if she wanted.

DJariya
04-03-12, 02:51 PM
Cough Cough

I created that season 2 spoiler thread for a reason.

barelypure
04-03-12, 02:55 PM
This is the first time the show attempted to represent how massive they are supposed to be

Standing beside Robb he looked huge but when he snapped at Jaime and we saw just his muzzle and Jaime's face it seemed out of proportion and more dog like than dire wolf.

Also, I know its not possible but it seemed like so much was squeezed into this show that parts from the book were glossed over. Maybe to try and add more scenes at the expense of a better description as to what else was contained in the scene. Particularly Melisandre and the poison and the lead up to that.

Dr Mabuse
04-03-12, 03:15 PM
Dude, don't bring the 2nd ep in here...

Cough Cough

I created that season 2 spoiler thread for a reason.

Crap!!!

My bad. Editing now.

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 03:45 PM
Did you want me to remove the spoilered gif of Ghost?

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 04:09 PM
BryanCogman ‏ @BryanCogman

Hey @nytimesarts! 6.3 million viewers. Have we expanded beyond our "Dungeons & Dragons fan-base" enough for you? #GoT

hah

Dr. DVD
04-03-12, 04:48 PM
Ghost from 2nd episode:

Spoilerized:

http://i.imgur.com/6K3UT.gif

Is that Ygritte? Seems a bit early to introduce that character.

pinata242
04-03-12, 04:50 PM
Is that Ygritte? Seems a bit early to introduce that character.

No. It's Gilly, but that's not really a spoiler because she was in episode one, just wasn't named.

Cusm
04-03-12, 04:53 PM
Is that Ygritte? Seems a bit early to introduce that character.

My guess is Craster's daughter that Samwell "saves" from Ghost.

Groucho
04-03-12, 04:59 PM
No. It's Gilly, but that's not really a spoiler because she was in episode one, just wasn't named.http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6104/gilly.jpg

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 04:59 PM
Is that Ygritte? Seems a bit early to introduce that character.


I think that is suppose to be

Gilly, it appears they are still at the camp from the first episode

Josh-da-man
04-03-12, 05:04 PM
This episode sucked. Not enough zombie action.

islandclaws
04-03-12, 05:05 PM
Crap!!!

My bad. Editing now.

:lol:

Well played.

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 05:06 PM
This episode sucked. Not enough zombie action.

:bow:

Dave99
04-03-12, 06:40 PM
Weird that Joffrey allows Tyrion to make a fool of him in front of everyone.

Also strange that Littlefinger would think Cersei wouldn't have him rubbed out in an instant if she wanted.

Well tyrion is the hand (acting), and if anything happens to him, joff has to answer to tywin. Plus tyrion isn't intimidated by joff, so since joff is ultimately just a punk teenager bitch, he doesn't know how to cope or answer to that.

And not a fan of that scene (littlefinger & cersei), at all.
it was completely invented for the show, nothing like that happened in the book

SiberianLlama
04-03-12, 07:12 PM
And not a fan of that scene (littlefinger & cersei), at all.
it was completely invented for the show, nothing like that happened in the book

I could be wrong about this, and I'd have to rewatch the episode to check, but doesn't Littlefinger talk about the rumors about Joffrey's parentage and about Robert's bastards?

The scene between him and Cersei was probably to explain why, at the end of the episode, the City Guard hunted down all the bastards out there.

Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that the first child that was killed was the baby in the brothel... which we've seen that Littlefinger controls. Not only was killing the baby a way to get rid of one of Robert's bastards, but it showed Littlefinger that even in areas he controlled and ruled (the brothel), his power was nothing compared to Cersei's (the City Guard).

meritocracy
04-03-12, 07:13 PM
Didn't like:
Littlefinger antagonizing Cersei. It's totally out of character, he wouldn't (and didn't) do that in the books. The scene is partially redeemed because it shows how petty and stupid Cersei is (never, ever pick on Littlefinger no matter who you are) but it plays false.
Completely agree. It was a terrible scene to invent simply because it was so completely out of character for Littlefinger. Showrunner's aren't infallible, but this was a blatantly poor inclusion IMO.

JasonF
04-03-12, 07:26 PM
Is that Ygritte? Seems a bit early to introduce that character.

No. It's Gilly, but that's not really a spoiler because she was in episode one, just wasn't named.

You know nothing, Dr. DVD.

Defiant1
04-03-12, 07:43 PM
Completely agree. It was a terrible scene to invent simply because it was so completely out of character for Littlefinger. Showrunner's aren't infallible, but this was a blatantly poor inclusion IMO.

I loved that scene. Littlefinger does this kind of thing to all sorts of people, needling and taunting them with his "knowledge". He did it to Ned, Catelyn, and Varys repeatedly in Season One. He pushed Ned a little too far when he was shoved up against the wall but Cersei of all people finally called him on his game playing. Hear Me Roar!

I also really liked the parallels between Joffrey and Robb ordering their mothers around. One of course is much nicer than the other but there you go; boy kings telling their mamas what to do.

dhmac
04-03-12, 07:51 PM
We've seen at least three theologies on the show so far:

1. The Seven Gods worshipped by most of Westeros
2. The Old Gods worshipped in the North (both by the Starks in their Godswood and by the Wildlings)
3. As of last night's episode, a third religion -- the Lord of Light, a monotheistic religion previously not really present in Westeros.
The Wiki of Fire and Ice has a good summary of the many religions seen in the books and on the series.

And this just explains the religions in general terms, so no spoilers here: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Religion

meritocracy
04-03-12, 08:00 PM
I loved that scene. Littlefinger does this kind of thing to all sorts of people, needling and taunting them with his "knowledge". He did it to Ned, Catelyn, and Varys repeatedly in Season One. He pushed Ned a little too far when he was shoved up against the wall but Cersei of all people finally called him on his game playing. Hear Me Roar!=

Littlefinger didn't needle Cersei in this scene, he all but spelled out that he knows full well the paternity of her children. Littlefinger may be vain, cunning, intelligent and quick witted, but of all the traits one could accuse him of, stupidity isn't one of them. Cersei isn't remotely all sorts of people. There's a reason this scene never occurs in the book. It's because Littlefinger's far too smart of a character to ever serve up something so obvious to Cersie for use against him.

Pharoh
04-03-12, 08:05 PM
Didn't care for Varys reaction when Tyrion announced himself as Hand. A small nitpick, I know.

Also, Maisie Williams (Arya), looked noticeably older to me. Since she is also my favourite character, I hope her aging doesn't hinder the prevalence and importance of the character.

musick
04-03-12, 08:21 PM
Also, Maisie Williams (Arya), looked noticeably older to me. Since she is also my favourite character, I hope her aging doesn't hinder the prevalence and importance of the character.

she looked like a boy to me ;)

superdeluxe
04-03-12, 09:15 PM
A little ot but the actor that plays Monroe on Grimm is a total got fan:

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/30/grimm-star-on-shows-surprise-success/

I watched three episodes of ‘Game of Thrones’ and decided, ‘I wanna read this,’” he said. “I just started the fourth book in the series and I love it. People eat and drink and screw and die, and there are these mythological elements all around them, forces beyond their control [not unlike 'Grimm'], and I find that quite compelling.”

Dave99
04-03-12, 09:43 PM
Littlefinger didn't needle Cersei in this scene, he all but spelled out that he knows full well the paternity of her children. Littlefinger may be vain, cunning, intelligent and quick witted, but of all the traits one could accuse him of, stupidly isn't one of them. Cersei isn't remotely all sorts of people. There's a reason this scene never occurs in the book. It's because Littlefinger's far too smart of a character to ever serve up something so obvious to Cersie for use against him.

yup. Their is no known character in the books who is better at this game than littlefinger, even tyrion falls short (lol). To see the show put him in that spot is a big kick in the nuts to that character, by cersei of all people.

SiberianLlama
04-03-12, 10:47 PM
yup. Their is no known character in the books who is better at this game than littlefinger, even tyrion falls short (lol). To see the show put him in that spot is a big kick in the nuts to that character, by cersei of all people.

I would say that Varys is neck and neck with Littlefinger

Defiant1
04-04-12, 12:34 AM
yup. Their is no known character in the books who is better at this game than littlefinger, even tyrion falls short (lol). To see the show put him in that spot is a big kick in the nuts to that character, by cersei of all people.

Well, these aren't the books. The show is a separate entity and I look forward to seeing the differences and alternative paths it takes. BookCersei for example is so one-dimensional and boring so I'm glad that ShowCersei has more layers and motivations. And maybe ShowLittlefinger isn't quite so perfect and super-smart as his Book counterpart. The point was reinforced in this episode by Roz that he is sensitive about his past. Cersei targeted his weak spot and he retaliated. Was what either of them did smart? I don't think so but it was interesting to watch.

outcastja
04-04-12, 01:35 AM
I haven't read the books and I even thought what Littlefinger did was out of character.

boogieman03
04-04-12, 01:54 AM
Just rewatched the episode after reading some show threads. Much easier to follow and keep track of everything.

Quick question though. What city was Tyrion in when he was visiting that girl on the balcony? Was that still Kings Landing?

bdshort
04-04-12, 02:58 AM
Yes

superdeluxe
04-04-12, 09:58 AM
Just rewatched the episode after reading some show threads. Much easier to follow and keep track of everything.

Quick question though. What city was Tyrion in when he was visiting that girl on the balcony? Was that still Kings Landing?

Yes, but they moved filming to another location which allowed for some 'city' shots, so it made Kings Landing look like a real city.

Defiant1
04-04-12, 10:20 AM
Yes, but they moved filming to another location which allowed for some 'city' shots, so it made Kings Landing look like a real city.

Yes, Dubrovnik looks amazing. I can't wait to see how Iceland looks onscreen as the Black Watch travels further away from The Wall.

RUSF18
04-04-12, 10:24 AM
I'm a little confused on something. After Drogo died, the vast majority of the Dothraki army abandoned Danny, leaving just her and this small crew wandering east. As a non book reader, are we supposed to know a) where the army has gone and b) what Danny and Co are looking for? I assume some part of b) has to deal with the throne but I'm not sure if I missed something more specific. Thanks.

pinata242
04-04-12, 10:30 AM
I'm a little confused on something. After Drogo died, the vast majority of the Dothraki army abandoned Danny, leaving just her and this small crew wandering east. As a non book reader, are we supposed to know a) where the army has gone and b) what Danny and Co are looking for? I assume some part of b) has to deal with the throne but I'm not sure if I missed something more specific. Thanks.

They're simply looking for a home or at least a place to eat and drink, but they're on a continent with enemies all around them. The Dothraki won't accept a woman as a leader (traditionally) and everyone will want her dragons who are too young to be a threat to her enemies.

There was a scene about this, wasn't there? When she sent her bloodriders off in different directions looking for what's beyond the Red Waste.

superdeluxe
04-04-12, 10:36 AM
They're simply looking for a home or at least a place to eat and drink, but they're on a continent with enemies all around them. The Dothraki won't accept a woman as a leader (traditionally) and everyone will want her dragons who are too young to be a threat to her enemies.

There was a scene about this, wasn't there? When she sent her bloodriders off in different directions looking for what's beyond the Red Waster.



Yeah, Jorah told her about people that would kill her and steal her dragons

rocketsauce
04-04-12, 11:09 AM
Yes, Dubrovnik looks amazing. I can't wait to see how Iceland looks onscreen as the Black Watch travels further away from The Wall.

They filmed that in Dubrovnik? Wish I had seen that part of it when I was there.

superdeluxe
04-04-12, 11:21 AM
I think Dubrovnik took the place of Malta this year

superdeluxe
04-04-12, 11:31 AM
Game of Thrones won a Peabody award:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/04/peabody-awards_n_1402661.html?ref=tw

Peabody writeup: Adapted from dark-age fantasy books by George R.R. Martin, the series immerses viewers in a multilayered, distinctly imagined world of mysticism and earthiness, fidelity and deceit, wonder and mayhem.

Tommy Ceez
04-04-12, 01:46 PM
I'm a little confused on something. After Drogo died, the vast majority of the Dothraki army abandoned Danny, leaving just her and this small crew wandering east. As a non book reader, are we supposed to know a) where the army has gone and b) what Danny and Co are looking for? I assume some part of b) has to deal with the throne but I'm not sure if I missed something more specific. Thanks.

Drogo's army now follows a new Kahl, the strongest man to step forward from his old Kahlassar

fujishig
04-04-12, 01:48 PM
Why did some of the Dothraki (I know the rest are the women she rescued and her personal servants) continue to follow her? Because they're Drogo's relatives or something? I thought they did a great job of explaining why they're wandering through the desert, though. Also, the opening recap, as they usually do on shows like this, pinpointed some of the important plot points, including Robert's bastards and who Stannis was. I know people sometimes skip them because they can be spoilery as to what's going to happen in the episode (and they were) but it's a good way to keep track.

If this is going to be revealed later, never mind, but how does that guy with his daughters/wives up in the North survive up there? They even say that he keeps his wives safe, but he's only one really old man with a lot of property, basically aiding the south.

Also, why did Littlefinger say it was such a big deal that Cersei had an incestuous relationship? I thought that it was common in the Lannister family to have incestuous relationships and offspring, or are brother and sister too close for even that family?

BTW, I'm another Blu ray convert who picked up HBO just for the premiere, so I'm glad the ratings were great.

pinata242
04-04-12, 01:53 PM
Why did some of the Dothraki (I know the rest are the women she rescued and her personal servants) continue to follow her? Because they're Drago's relatives or something? I thought they did a great job of explaining why they're wandering through the desert, though.

If this is going to be revealed later, never mind, but how does that guy with his daughters/wives up in the North survive up there? They even say that he keeps his wives safe, but he's only one really old man with a lot of property, basically aiding the south.

Also, why did Littlefinger say it was such a big deal that Cersei had an incestuous relationship? I thought that it was common in the Lannister family to have incestuous relationships and offspring, or are brother and sister too close for even that family?

BTW, I'm another Blu ray convert who picked up HBO just for the premiere, so I'm glad the ratings were great.

1) Because they were loyal to Drogo and, by extension, Dany.

2) It will be revealed later. Second episode spoiler: The first indication of which closes the second episode.

3) Because that would mean Joffrey isn't the rightful heir to the throne being that he has no Robert Baratheon blood in him. And it wasn't the Lannisters that were incestuous, it was the Targaryens. But even then it was still royal blood unlike Joffrey.

sven
04-04-12, 02:03 PM
1) Because they were loyal to Drogo and, by extension, Dany.



And because other than Jorah and her Bloodriders she was left with nothing but sickly old people, children, and women.

fujishig
04-04-12, 02:12 PM
So most of the Dothraki follow the strongest but some are loyal to a line of succession for their leaders? Or is it more about compassion so as to not leave Dany (and I wouldn't blame them for blaming her for Drogo's death, especially the death-like state that he was in prior to his real death).

I could understand the thinking that Robert, while alive, would have enough power to throw out Cersei and Joffrey if he found out the truth (or was given enough evidence)... however, at this point what does it matter that the truth is out? There's no DNA evidence or other concrete proof, and really it would only come out if someone else took control. In fact, most of these high lords don't seem to really care about the line of succession, otherwise they'd be supporting only Stannis or Joffrey, whichever they thought was the true heir. Even the bannermen seem to be able to be bought out for a price. So I kind of agree with Cersei over Littlefinger (in the non-book scene) here, how much power does information really wield?

pinata242
04-04-12, 02:15 PM
You'll find it doesn't now. Stannis sent 10 copies of his note out to all the corners. Truth or not, some will believe it, some won't. It's no more than the rumors of usurpers to Joffrey and the court.

This is why the kingdom is on the brink of war. Robert's brothers believe that Joffrey isn't of Robert so they're vying for the throne.

bdshort
04-04-12, 02:48 PM
I haven't deleted this episode yet so I'll have to go back and find the scene showing the big "city" shot of King's Landing. I'll be in Dubrovnik in September on a cruise, and am really looking forward to it, it's a gorgeous looking city.

sven
04-04-12, 02:49 PM
I haven't deleted this episode yet so I'll have to go back and find the scene showing the big "city" shot of King's Landing. I'll be in Dubrovnik in September on a cruise, and am really looking forward to it, it's a gorgeous looking city.

That is awesome. I'd love to see the place. It just looks so cool.

covenant
04-04-12, 03:15 PM
Why did some of the Dothraki (I know the rest are the women she rescued and her personal servants) continue to follow her?

She walked into a bonfire and wasn't hurt. And she has three dragons. Notice the element of worship when everyone bowed down when the dragons were revealed.

Dr. DVD
04-04-12, 03:20 PM
You know nothing, Dr. DVD.

FYI, I still haven't finished watching this ep. on DVR, but have read the books.

pinata242
04-04-12, 03:26 PM
She walked into a bonfire and wasn't hurt. And she has three dragons. Notice the element of worship when everyone bowed down when the dragons were revealed.

But all of that was AFTER the majority of the Khalasar left and even after Dany gave everyone, even the slaves, the choice to leave. Plus no one had any reason to believe she wasn't just committing suicide by walking into that bonfire. Hours had past before the worship.

The question is, why after all of that, were those people even there come morning? Because they had nowhere else to go.

CRM114
04-04-12, 03:36 PM
She walked into a bonfire and wasn't hurt. And she has three dragons. Notice the element of worship when everyone bowed down when the dragons were revealed.

Which is what I thought of when the dude was telling her the hordes will kill her and take her dragons. First, I'd think the dragons would be loyal to her and grow up to kill their captors and second, she stood all night in a fire unscathed. Who's going to fuck with her?

lysander
04-04-12, 03:44 PM
I believe her bloodriders are committed to her by oath for life. Other than Jorah they may be the only warriors in the group. the rest were just left behind and stayed with her. At least that's how I remember it playing out at the end of season 1 and in the book.

JasonF
04-04-12, 03:59 PM
FYI, I still haven't finished watching this ep. on DVR, but have read the books.

If you've read the books, then you should know that
"You know nothing, Jon Snow" is Ygritte's catch phrase. I was just making a funny.

ivelostr2
04-04-12, 04:14 PM
I could understand the thinking that Robert, while alive, would have enough power to throw out Cersei and Joffrey if he found out the truth (or was given enough evidence)... however, at this point what does it matter that the truth is out? There's no DNA evidence or other concrete proof, and really it would only come out if someone else took control. In fact, most of these high lords don't seem to really care about the line of succession, otherwise they'd be supporting only Stannis or Joffrey, whichever they thought was the true heir. Even the bannermen seem to be able to be bought out for a price. So I kind of agree with Cersei over Littlefinger (in the non-book scene) here, how much power does information really wield?

I thought the killing of the bastards had less to do with people finding out about them, and more to do with these kids feeling entitled when they come of age.
It doesn't matter if they have a "rightful" claim to the throne or not, but it becomes a problem is they think they are the king's sons and try to take Geoff out. Kill them now and avoid that later, legit or not.

Cusm
04-04-12, 04:24 PM
The killing of the bastards is all to do with Cersei hiding the truth of Batherion's seed producing only dark headed children and not blondes, like the current king. It also serves as a way to erase Robert's whoring on the surface, or at least give a reason for it. Bastards in this universe do not have many rights, very few lords (Stark) take care of their bastards. And only bastards legitamized by the crown may lay any claim to any family holdings or the crown. Joffery and/or Stannis would not legitamize a bastard to usurp their own claim.

Mordred
04-04-12, 05:12 PM
Which is what I thought of when the dude was telling her the hordes will kill her and take her dragons. First, I'd think the dragons would be loyal to her and grow up to kill their captors and second, she stood all night in a fire unscathed. Who's going to fuck with her?The Dragons are newborns. My month old German Shepherd puppy* might grow up to fuck over anyone who tries to hurt me, but he'd probably just whine if someone attacked me. The Dragons are useless novelties at this point... it's what they'll become that people will want.

True, she can't be killed or harmed by fire, but swords would work wonders. She's not immortal.

* Okay, so my puppy is five months old and would probably bite anyone pretty hard if they tried to hurt me, but you get my point. He's also half Border Collie, so calling him a German Shepherd wasn't completely accurate. I am raising him to be a direwolf though:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/Mordred2003/IMAG0006.jpg

Bill Needle
04-04-12, 06:42 PM
^I was going to write a scathing retort...but then I saw your puppy and was so overwhelmed by cuteness that I completely forgot why!

covenant
04-04-12, 07:57 PM
True, she can't be killed or harmed by fire, but swords would work wonders. She's not immortal.


They don't know that. They didn't know she could spend the night in a bonfire until they saw her do it.

Draven
04-04-12, 08:23 PM
Which is what I thought of when the dude was telling her the hordes will kill her and take her dragons. First, I'd think the dragons would be loyal to her and grow up to kill their captors and second, she stood all night in a fire unscathed. Who's going to fuck with her?

The first thing a new Khal would try to do is cut Daenerys in half with his sword. And it would work. She has NO power right now beyond her bloodriders. The dragons are just pets at this point and could be taken from her easily.

Dr. DVD
04-04-12, 10:14 PM
If you've read the books, then you should know that
"You know nothing, Jon Snow" is Ygritte's catch phrase. I was just making a funny.

I just now caught that. Most of what I remember about Ygritte is that she gets Jon to break his Night Watch vows many times over and they have a nice encounter in a cave

Also, that is said mostly in the third book ,which I am only about a third through. :)

Finally finished the ep. , and I have to say, impressive. It almost looks like a different production company took the reigns and made everything look better, and the first season looked pretty good to start. The scenes from upcoming eps. look astounding for TV, especially those beyond the wall.

My only gripe is what everyone else is saying. Littlefinger would never be so stupid as to taunt Cersei. I also didn't like him being made into a bitch by her, even though he more or less is one. Robb is definitely giving off more of a bad ass vibe than he did in the books IMO. I will say that having read up through a part in the third book the vows he makes with Catelyn about them all being together again is kind of heartbreaking, since that is clearly never going to happen.

Thrush
04-04-12, 10:14 PM
The first thing a new Khal would try to do is cut Daenerys in half with his sword. And it would work. She has NO power right now beyond her bloodriders. The dragons are just pets at this point and could be taken from her easily.

Thats a nice plan until you get a good look at her. They dont come across that kind of trim in the dessert. She bats her eye lashes a few times and the next thing you know shes leading another Khal around by the nose.

Dr. DVD
04-04-12, 10:16 PM
The Dragons are newborns. My month old German Shepherd puppy* might grow up to fuck over anyone who tries to hurt me, but he'd probably just whine if someone attacked me. The Dragons are useless novelties at this point... it's what they'll become that people will want.

True, she can't be killed or harmed by fire, but swords would work wonders. She's not immortal.

* Okay, so my puppy is five months old and would probably bite anyone pretty hard if they tried to hurt me, but you get my point. He's also half Border Collie, so calling him a German Shepherd wasn't completely accurate. I am raising him to be a direwolf though:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/Mordred2003/IMAG0006.jpg

I believe you, that he could be a direwolf. ;)

sven
04-04-12, 11:56 PM
I thought he looked like an Akita.

BuddyRevell
04-05-12, 12:03 AM
I was pretty excited that Jean Reno was part of the new cast:
https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7zKcIeR8i7tDZ_Qa4AVNZ8xq11rKJr4d_bIBMpdLMVnOkjx8H

Only to realize today that it's actually Irish actor Liam Cunningham. :blush:
https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwC2QmMCP21uUesOVByn1jgfFAyOL8waQfunIozboyPWoxz5-H

Thought the same thing. At some point during the episode, I realized it couldn't be him due to his thick accent.

Mordred
04-05-12, 03:06 AM
They don't know that. They didn't know she could spend the night in a bonfire until they saw her do it.Well, the only people who even know that are the people who are currently following her. I'm not sure if people in the seven-kingdoms know that "true" Targaryens are immune to fire, but they killed plenty of them in the past too.

I thought he looked like an Akita.Lots of people say that (including the asshole Pet Smart employee who argued with me), but we've met his mom and dad. :)

Dr. DVD
04-05-12, 10:01 AM
Question for those that have read all of the books, is it ever revealed why Viserys was not a "true" Targaryen?

starman9000
04-05-12, 10:38 AM
Question for those that have read all of the books, is it ever revealed why Viserys was not a "true" Targaryen?

I think it's just because he was burned and an asshole, nothing more than that. You're not meant to believe that Targaryens are really fireproof.

I have heard some speculation that:
He's not 'True', because he isn't the real heir to the throne, but that wouldn't make him not a Targaryen.

Josh-da-man
04-05-12, 05:37 PM
Who's going to fuck with her?

The kind of people who populate this fantasy world, that's who.

superdeluxe
04-06-12, 05:54 PM
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johnnysd
04-07-12, 01:07 AM
One thing I thought was interesting was that after reading the books like 4 times so far, I never was 100% sure why Dany trudged into the wastes but this episode clearly explained that, which I thought was quite good.

I am also not sure that book LF would not have lost his cool in that conversation with Cersei just like TV LF did. He is VERY prickly about Cat, and attacking him on that one subject would be the one most likely to get a reaction.

On future seasons, they should devote 30-45 more minutes to the opening episode. Same content but they need more time to let it breathe and be more understandable.

Ravenous
04-07-12, 10:35 PM
I just finished season 1 and I loved it. Now I dont want to read this thread cuz I dont want to get spoiled but can someone help me out here:

Does season 1 cover the whole first book? Were any liberties taken that weren't in the book and put into the show? Finally, were things left out of the show that were in the book and are important to the story? I want to get into the books but Im leery since the books have been pretty slow coming out.

lordwow
04-08-12, 12:23 AM
I just finished season 1 and I loved it. Now I dont want to read this thread cuz I dont want to get spoiled but can someone help me out here:

Does season 1 cover the whole first book? Were any liberties taken that weren't in the book and put into the show? Finally, were things left out of the show that were in the book and are important to the story? I want to get into the books but Im leery since the books have been pretty slow coming out.

The show actually goes further in the story than the books in some story arcs. Tyrion isn't made the Hand of the King until early in Book 2. But they both end the same way for the two major arcs (King of the North, Dragons).

One of the major changes if I recall too was that in the book, the discovery that it was Jamie that pushed Bran out the window doesn't happen until Ned figured out about the affair, making it a much more rewarding payoff IMO.

The books go into significant more depth. There's more explanation of the backstory of Robert and Ned. The books also tells the story from a plethora of character's perspectives, which makes everyone's actions seem a lot more "gray" than in the show because you basically read their thought processes. I prefer the book to the show, but I still think the show is fantastic. The changes are primarily cutting down the content (the books are extremely dense reading).

wishbone
04-09-12, 11:07 AM
Also, Maisie Williams (Arya), looked noticeably older to me. Since she is also my favourite character, I hope her aging doesn't hinder the prevalence and importance of the character.http://i39.tinypic.com/2znmq9h.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/2nsm6fa.jpg

Maisie turns 15 this month -- she's only a year younger than Sophie Turner -- so she probably was a late bloomer when she was initially cast.

barelypure
04-09-12, 04:21 PM
The killing of the bastards is all to do with Cersei hiding the truth of Batherion's seed producing only dark headed children and not blondes, like the current king. It also serves as a way to erase Robert's whoring on the surface, or at least give a reason for it. Bastards in this universe do not have many rights, very few lords (Stark) take care of their bastards. And only bastards legitamized by the crown may lay any claim to any family holdings or the crown. Joffery and/or Stannis would not legitamize a bastard to usurp their own claim.

Except in the 2nd episode Cersei tells Tyrion that it was Joffrey that ordered the killing of the bastards. Which is more believable. After all she could have had the bastards killed over time while Robert was alive and as long as it was done surreptiously it wouldn't have raised an eyebrow.

Dr. DVD
04-09-12, 04:46 PM
Except in the 2nd episode Cersei tells Tyrion that it was Joffrey that ordered the killing of the bastards. Which is more believable. After all she could have had the bastards killed over time while Robert was alive and as long as it was done surreptiously it wouldn't have raised an eyebrow.

This is also indicative as to just how much of a loose cannon Joffrey is compared to his mother. Cersei works behind the scenes, whereas Joffrey craves attention and fear, hence the way he handled the situation with Eddard.

JasonF
04-09-12, 07:13 PM
Except in the 2nd episode Cersei tells Tyrion that it was Joffrey that ordered the killing of the bastards.

I haven't watched episode 2 yet, so I don't know the context, but keep in mind that Cersei is a lying bitch.

Ravenous
04-10-12, 10:07 PM
The show actually goes further in the story than the books in some story arcs. Tyrion isn't made the Hand of the King until early in Book 2. But they both end the same way for the two major arcs (King of the North, Dragons).

One of the major changes if I recall too was that in the book, the discovery that it was Jamie that pushed Bran out the window doesn't happen until Ned figured out about the affair, making it a much more rewarding payoff IMO.

The books go into significant more depth. There's more explanation of the backstory of Robert and Ned. The books also tells the story from a plethora of character's perspectives, which makes everyone's actions seem a lot more "gray" than in the show because you basically read their thought processes. I prefer the book to the show, but I still think the show is fantastic. The changes are primarily cutting down the content (the books are extremely dense reading).

Awesome man! Thanks for the info. Ill prolly get into the books than.

If anyone still reads and know about the books, Given the guy takes so long to release these, has he given a definitive end (as in "Im gonna write 8 books and end it") or will he keep going till he dies and someone else takes over.

Defiant1
04-10-12, 10:38 PM
Martin has said there will be 7 books, so 2 more to go.

JasonF
04-11-12, 09:22 AM
Martin has said there will be 7 books, so 2 more to go.

Keep in mind that he originally said there would be 3 books, then revised it to 4, then 5. There's no guarantee he won't realize that it's going to take 8 or 9 books to tell the story he wants to tell.

Cusm
04-11-12, 10:31 AM
Keep in mind that he originally said there would be 3 books, then revised it to 4, then 5. There's no guarantee he won't realize that it's going to take 8 or 9 books to tell the story he wants to tell.

There's no guarantee he knows the story he wants to tell, and judging from the last book this might be the case. The publishers and producers need to just lock him away for a year or so and make him finish it.

johnnysd
04-11-12, 11:44 AM
Keep in mind that he originally said there would be 3 books, then revised it to 4, then 5. There's no guarantee he won't realize that it's going to take 8 or 9 books to tell the story he wants to tell.

Martin is using the same writing philosophy as Jordan did, where he knows key events that happen along the way and where he will wind up in the end, but does not know exactly how to get from point A to point B and C and F until he writes it. Because so much is happening it gets harder and harder to get from key point to key point and the story expands.

The difference with GRRM is that the bottle neck for him was something called the Merrenese knot, and once he got past this point the rest of the story according to him should fall into place pretty easily and predictably. That happened in the last book so there is a very good chance that the 2 remaining book prediction will be true.

maxfisher
04-11-12, 01:08 PM
The difference with GRRM is that the bottle neck for him was something called the Merrenese knot, and once he got past this point the rest of the story according to him should fall into place pretty easily and predictably. That happened in the last book so there is a very good chance that the 2 remaining book prediction will be true.

Can't remember where I saw it, but somewhere reported that it's likely going to be 8 books now. The reasoning was that (including slight spoilers about the focus for the rest of the series):

Supposedly, the original story was going to be what we had in the first 3 books, and then jump ahead to a war between the light (presumable Melisandre/Daenyrus/the dragons) and the dark north of the wall. Then Martin decided not to do such a drastic jump, rather doing a trilogy on the original story and a trilogy on the light/dark showdown, with a book bridging them. That book turned into Feast for Crows & Dance with Dragons, so supposedly 3 books left.

Again, read that somewhere, not sure how reliable it is. If it does go to 8 books, the TV show will have to wrap up before the books, even if they go to 2 seasons per book from Storm of Swords out.

argh923
04-11-12, 01:40 PM
Yes, Dubrovnik looks amazing. I can't wait to see how Iceland looks onscreen as the Black Watch travels further away from The Wall.

Isn't it called the Night's Watch? Or did I miss something?

Also, quick question - I don't remember which S1 episode it is so I don't want to bump the wrong thing, but who is the "large" naked man in the woods in Winterfell, and what is his purpose? I remember him there, but I don't remember him anywhere else.

pinata242
04-11-12, 01:45 PM
Isn't it called the Night's Watch? Or did I miss something?

Also, quick question - I don't remember which S1 episode it is so I don't want to bump the wrong thing, but who is the "large" naked man in the woods in Winterfell, and what is his purpose? I remember him there, but I don't remember him anywhere else.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Hodor

superdeluxe
04-11-12, 03:00 PM
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Hodor


You are on a roll lol

MikahC
04-12-12, 12:46 AM
You are on a roll lol

It sometimes seems the only hope of getting people who can't remember up to speed since some of the questions in this thread are pretty basic ones like "Who is Slynt?". I mean, I get if you don't know why Robb needs ships to take Kings Landing, or the name of a large naked man, but finding out who a character is or where a location is when you already know the name? That's very basic information quite readily available in pretty much any viewing guide. Maybe if pinata242 posts links enough, people will get tired of waiting for him to respond and pre-emptively go the site and look themselves. Then we can focus on important stuff like why Theon Greyjoy's sister Yara let him finger her.

argh923
04-12-12, 04:07 PM
Well, I will say that my reasoning for that is not wanting to google the name and get a bunch of stuff spoiled for me.

Josh-da-man
04-12-12, 04:13 PM
Well, I will say that my reasoning for that is not wanting to google the name and get a bunch of stuff spoiled for me.

Yeah, that is a danger for people who want to know something. Since the HBO series is based on a series of books, there are lots of spoilers out there in the wild that someone can inadvertently stumble upon.

And there are still some many things out there that can still be spoiled for someone who hasn't read the books.

pinata242
04-12-12, 04:24 PM
Then go to the site I link to which is about the tv show and the story thusfar. Each page does have an "In the books" section at the bottom that you can skip, even though the ones I linked to in this thread and the other have no spoilers because I checked.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_Wiki