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Decker
03-28-12, 08:14 PM
Well, since Red Dog seems to have taken the week off, I guess I'll start the thread.

Saturday, March 31, 2012
National Semifinals

No. 1 Kentucky Wildcats vs. No. 4 Louisville Cardinals (6:09 p.m. Eastern, CBS)

No. 2 Kansas Jayhawks vs. No. 2 Ohio State Buckeyes (8:49 p.m. Eastern, CBS)

Monday, April 2, 2012
National Championship
Winner Kentucky/Louisville vs Winner Kansas/Ohio State
(9:18 PM Eastern, CBS)

Red Dog
03-29-12, 09:15 AM
I didn't take the week off. Didn't see a need to start a new thread until tomorrow.

And the start time Monday night is 9:18p.

Decker
03-29-12, 11:39 AM
Sorry Red Dog, guess I jumped the gun. Hope you don't mind me doing the honors for this round -- it's a biggie for me. Fixed the start time.

koops
03-29-12, 07:48 PM
I'll be there :)

Cardsfan111
03-29-12, 08:45 PM
Appears a source has indicated (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7753171/louisville-cardinals-rick-pitino-elected-hall-fame-according-source) Pitino didn't get elected to the HOF. I'm sure it will happen eventually, but it's too bad he couldn't be honored with the team playing in the Final Four this year.

Michael Corvin
03-29-12, 09:07 PM
"Kentucky fans would want to run all the coaches out of town and get rid of all the players."
-Billy Gillispie on what will happen if UK loses Saturday

:lol:

and

Lexington radio stations have been announcing areas that will be blocked off for this weekend's "celebration."

-ohbfrank-

Red Dog
03-30-12, 09:49 AM
The famed Twin Spires of Churchill Downs at night this week:

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/images/RedBlueSpires.jpg

grip
03-30-12, 02:52 PM
The famed Twin Spires of Churchill Downs at night this week:

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/images/RedBlueSpires.jpg

From Vegas Insider (Wynn odds) as of like 8 AM
Saturday


Louisville/Kentucky
KY -9 137.5 o/u


OSU/Kansas
OSU -2.5 136.5 o/u




my picks:


Louisville +9 over
Kansas +2.5 under

Decker
03-30-12, 04:17 PM
I read something that this was the first Final Four match-up of In-State rivals in over 50 years or something. I find that mind-boggling simply because Duke and UNC have been to the Final Four so many times (as well as the occasional Wake or NC State appearance). Kansas hasn't been nearly as often and yet has played UNC three times in the FF since 1991 (and Duke once). How is it that Duke and Carolina have never met up with other there, especially considering every year they are both good they're intentionally separated into different regions?

Red Dog
03-30-12, 04:43 PM
Yes, I believe it's the first since OSU and Cincy met in the early 60s (in the championship game).

As for Duke and Carolina, first, it would be impossible prior to 1975 (one team per conference). Then until Duke became a real power under Coach K in '86, except for '78, Duke wasn't nearly as dominant as UNC, so a matchup would have been unlikely. So you're really looking at about a 25 year period, and there were a number of UNC years in there where they were mediocre or worse. I'm not sure they've ever actually been in the F4 (on opposite sides) the same year. And thank god for that.

As for NCSU, they've only been to one F4 since the one-team-per-conference rule was lifted, so you shouldn't have expected them in. And Wake hasn't been to a Final 4 since Billy Packer was around.....playing, not announcing. ;)

Decker
03-30-12, 05:25 PM
So you're really looking at about a 25 year period, and there were a number of UNC years in there where they were mediocre or worse. I'm not sure they've ever actually been in the F4 (on opposite sides) the same year. And thank god for that.


In 1991, KU beat UNC in the semis, then lost to Duke in the Finals.

I had forgotten about the one team per Conference until the 70s and not having a full bracket until the mid-80s. Certainly that's part of the reason it's been so long.

BKenn01
03-30-12, 07:04 PM
Trust me UK fans would have been happy if it was another 60 years before it happened.

RayChuang
03-30-12, 08:30 PM
Trust me UK fans would have been happy if it was another 60 years before it happened.

I warned people that this week would be like the week leading up to the Alabama versus Auburn "Iron Bowl" game--it will literally divide even families.

Mind you, there's a lot of talk what's happening in Kentucky is a Louisville versus the rest of the state thing, because a lot of people outside the Louisville metro area don't like the people in Louisville....

Michael Corvin
03-30-12, 08:44 PM
I read something that this was the first Final Four match-up of In-State rivals in over 50 years or something.

One stat I saw said there have been nearly 50 Final Four appearances between these four teams. Pretty impressive.


Mind you, there's a lot of talk what's happening in Kentucky is a Louisville versus the rest of the state thing, because a lot of people outside the Louisville metro area don't like the people in Louisville....

I read in an article recently that if tax revenue/benefits from Louisville didn't benefit so much of the state, the rest of the state would be fine with Louisville seceding. :lol:

RayChuang
03-30-12, 09:27 PM
I read in an article recently that if tax revenue/benefits from Louisville didn't benefit so much of the state, the rest of the state would be fine with Louisville seceding. :lol:

You mean this article?

UK-U of L matchup dividing everyone in basketball-mad state
William F. Reed
Sports Illustrated website (sportsillustrated.cnn.com)
March 29, 2012

Read the full article here (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/web/COM1196723/1/index.htm)

Outside my home here in Louisville, all hell is breaking loose. Insults and predictions are dropping like bombs. Rational people are fleeing bars and restaurants in search of sanctuary. Offices have become battlegrounds, families are being torn apart, and minor events such as weddings are being reorganized. I now know what Edward R. Murrow must have felt like when he was reporting about the siege of London during World War II.

In more than a half century of covering basketball in Kentucky, I thought I had just about seen it all. Heck, even though I was just a kid in 1955, I remember the flag over the state capital building in Frankfort being lowered to half-mast because Georgia Tech had ended the Kentucky Wildcats' 129-game home winning streak (still the national record). That was my first clue that basketball wasn't just a game in my native state.

Johnny Zhivago
03-31-12, 01:05 AM
Trust me UK fans would have been happy if it was another 60 years before it happened.

Meh... My peeps are - mostly - blue. So, no worries. Got to play who you've got to play.

I read in an article recently that if tax revenue/benefits from Louisville didn't benefit so much of the state, the rest of the state would be fine with Louisville seceding.

:lol:

True. Indiana is all yours. Have at it. :p

In all seriousness, hoping for a good game <strike>tom</strike> today guys... looking forward to it. UL was a total surprise (F4) and are playing good ball. Game on!

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 01:54 PM
So ready for the big game tonight. :up:

At peace with however it turns out. Few expect Louisville to pull off the upset, so there's no pressure on them to deliver. I just hope there's no controversy with the officiating (for either side) and that the Cards play well.

Of course, I wouldn't mind seeing a few folks humbled by a Cardinal victory--most fans I know, including the UK fans here, have been respectful, but the arrogance of some has been overwhelming.

And I know Pitino rubs people the wrong way, but man does Calipari take it to another level. Just saw the clip on ESPN where he mentioned the history of coaches at UK: Rupp...Hall...Smith. -ohbfrank- Then of course, were his comments earlier in this year when he basically referred to Kentucky as the only school in the state.

Another clip from '09 they just showed was when he announced at Big Blue Madness that his vision was one that included celebrations, banquets, diplomas and banners. Diplomas? Who was he kidding? ;)

Red Dog
03-31-12, 02:22 PM
Wow. Great job by Shurna to beat Fernandez in the 3 point shootout. He hit 7 out of his last 7 and he needed every one of them to beat Fernandez by a point.

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 02:29 PM
Wow. Great job by Shurna to beat Fernandez in the 3 point shootout. He hit 7 out of his last 7 and he needed every one of them to beat Fernandez by a point.

I saw that the other night. If you keep watching, he's not done impressing you.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 02:31 PM
I'll assume he beats the chick because I assume he can't dunk. ;)

I do remember seeing a chick win the 3-pt contest before.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 02:55 PM
24-14 :lol:

Get in the kitchen and make me some pie, Ashley. ;)

Red Dog
03-31-12, 03:11 PM
Loved the dunk off the back of the glass. Should've saved that for last.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 03:12 PM
Martin Methodist?! A little D-III love. 52 inch vertical? -eek-

Dr. DVD
03-31-12, 06:01 PM
Pitino and Calipari gave off the vibe that they wanted to off each other in the Jim Rome interview.

JumpCutz
03-31-12, 06:06 PM
Kentucky can't lose this game right? I just can't see it happening. sigh.

Michael Corvin
03-31-12, 06:10 PM
My heart is racing. Come on Cards, time to bring it!

Red Dog
03-31-12, 06:18 PM
UK dominating already.

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 06:37 PM
For Louisville to stay in this game, they're going to have to shoot a much higher dunk percentage. :(

dsa_shea
03-31-12, 06:42 PM
I hope Louisville pulls this out as they deserve to win it.

Bacon
03-31-12, 06:42 PM
Are they using NBA travel rules?

Red Dog
03-31-12, 06:52 PM
Are they using NBA travel rules?

No shit. Many non-call walks in this one.

The Cards are getting beaten handily but are hanging around.

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 06:55 PM
The Cards are getting beaten handily but are hanging around.

They're making way too many mistakes if they want to pull off the upset. Their defense has been effective, though. I don't think UK has looked sharp at all.

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 07:00 PM
Kentucky travels almost every possession :lol:

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 07:05 PM
I do love how Cal doesn't even try to hide how he lures these kids to UK by having Jay Z outside the locker room and sitting behind the bench - right next to World Wide Wes of course. His arrogance is astounding.

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 07:07 PM
I loved Louisville's effort that first half. Eliminate the missed dunks and unforced errors and they're right there. I wonder if the Cards' game plan has been to stay away from the 3-point shot in order to take away the long rebounds and potential run-outs by UK. Only 3 attempts from long range and Kuric almost seemed to hesitate on the open look that he knocked down.

Bacon
03-31-12, 07:14 PM
I do love how Cal doesn't even try to hide how he lures these kids to UK by having Jay Z outside the locker room and sitting behind the bench - right next to World Wide Wes of course. His arrogance is astounding.

I'm amazed he doesn't have the briefcase of cash with him on the bench

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 07:28 PM
Good start to 2nd half for Louisville. :up:

The Cow
03-31-12, 07:31 PM
Grr, that wasn't a foul.

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 07:35 PM
Good start to 2nd half for Louisville. :up:

And just like that, the Cards make several mistakes in a row...

It's just another indication of how good UK is. They're not playing great tonight as a team. Nearly all of their points have been 1-on-1 individual moves.

wishbone
03-31-12, 07:36 PM
Hard to tell if the ball was over the cylinder.

wishbone
03-31-12, 07:43 PM
Did a volleyball game just break out under the rim? :confused:

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 07:47 PM
Louisville is flat outplaying Kentucky tonight. I don't care what the scoreboard says at the moment.

wishbone
03-31-12, 07:47 PM
Back-to-back missed shots/{sd}s by Louisville.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 07:51 PM
Louisville is flat outplaying Kentucky tonight. I don't care what the scoreboard says at the moment.

I wouldn't say that but they are playing a great game and hanging around.

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 07:53 PM
I wouldn't say that but they are playing a great game and hanging around.

I think the rebounding (especially on the offensive end) tells the story. The Cards are getting after it.

Bacon
03-31-12, 07:56 PM
Tied

Red Dog
03-31-12, 07:59 PM
These 3 minute timeouts suck.

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 08:02 PM
These 3 minute timeouts suck.

No kidding.

Normally, I start watching the game a little late so I can skip forward past the commercials. With a game as big as this, I've got to watch it live. All of these breaks are killing me. :lol:

Red Dog
03-31-12, 08:02 PM
Now foul fest starts.

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 08:03 PM
i hope L'ville didn't just blow their wad on tying it up. watching UK lose this would be pretty awesome :lol:

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 08:08 PM
Louisville's missed layups/dunks this games will cost them.

Bacon
03-31-12, 08:08 PM
Clearly the refs refuse to call a foul on Kentucky in crunch time

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 08:09 PM
If Anthony Davis is allowed to drape his arms over someone when they go up with no foul, you might as well give the trophy to UK now. :lol:

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 08:16 PM
Announcers saying Louisville is one 3-point shooter short. Causes me to wonder how good this Louisville team could have been without all of the injuries. Mike Marra was supposed to be that guy.

wishbone
03-31-12, 08:17 PM
Kentucky rolled out the red carpet for that Louisville dunk.

wishbone
03-31-12, 08:18 PM
Slam!

wishbone
03-31-12, 08:21 PM
Kentucky advances.

Bacon
03-31-12, 08:22 PM
Go Kansas/ Ohio st winner ;)

Red Dog
03-31-12, 08:23 PM
Under 136 pays. :banana:

Vegas must be laughing their way to the bank on people betting UK -8.5 :lol:

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 08:29 PM
Great effort by Louisville tonight. Proud of the strong finish to the season. :up:

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 08:31 PM
Hey Charles Barkley, there's a reason UK didn't play well. And they were wearing the <s>red</s> orange uniforms tonight.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 08:32 PM
Great effort by Louisville tonight. Proud of the strong finish to the season. :up:

They played great. Frankly, I didn't think they'd break 55 points against the UK defense. They dominated on the boards.

Michael Corvin
03-31-12, 08:33 PM
I think overall UL outplayed UK, UK just wasn't missing. Two other things...

I think there were more commercials in this two hours than in the 4 hours of the Super Bowl. The C in NCAA = Commercial

rotfl @ Davis saying this game meant a lot. I can see how it could be a huge impact on that 7 month college career.

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 08:44 PM
Louisville's missed layups/dunks this games will cost them.

that and the fact that the stripes refused to call a foul on KY in the last 4 minutes despite the fact that they were hacking the shit out of the Cards down low - leading to the missed lay ups. oh, and did anyone mention the 47 missed travel calls on UK? :lol:

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 08:47 PM
Great effort by Louisville tonight. Proud of the strong finish to the season. :up:

frankly, i think Louisville showed they were the stronger team tonight...just overpowered by sheer talent and unforgiving stripes. I don't believe in moral victories, but they outplayed KY for much of that game.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 09:13 PM
Dumb timeout. Now we'll have 6 minutes of commercials in the next 7 minutes.

Bacon
03-31-12, 09:14 PM
This game has the feel of last year's championship game
And refs won't change the botched foul :lol:

Red Dog
03-31-12, 09:25 PM
KU playing like shit, but only down 3.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 09:38 PM
OSU can't miss.

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 10:45 PM
ESPN reports (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7760603/kentucky-wildcats-fans-burn-couches-flip-cars-win) UK fans were setting couches on fire after the win tonight. The article indicates they did the same thing last week after the Baylor victory. No slam on UK fans, since fans do crazy things everywhere, but what's the reason for couch burning? :hscratch:

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 10:49 PM
first bench points of the game for either team w/ under ten to go :lol:

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 10:51 PM
I've seen this game before. Sullinger is dead on his feet + Thomas/Buford not hitting = tOSU is done.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 10:51 PM
Sullinger taking 3s. :lol:

Red Dog
03-31-12, 10:52 PM
I'm just trying to figure out who's better to win so I can lay less points on Monday night. ;) Then again the last time I bet Calipari vs. Self in the title game I got so fucked in the final minute +.

Pharoh
03-31-12, 10:56 PM
I've seen this game before. Sullinger is dead on his feet + Thomas/Buford not hitting = tOSU is done.

They really aren't that good, are they?

Bacon
03-31-12, 10:58 PM
If OSU holds on, Monday night will set a new record low on foul calls ;)

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 11:06 PM
They really aren't that good, are they?

Neither of these teams are. it's totally bizarre that they are both in the final four - if they were on different sides it would be KY-Louisville for the title :lol:

Pharoh
03-31-12, 11:07 PM
Neither of these teams are. it's totally bizarre that they are both in the final four - if they were on different sides it would be KY-Louisville for the title :lol:

Oh well, Spring game is in three weeks.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 11:11 PM
Onions drive.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 11:13 PM
Craft is saving OSU.

Red Dog
03-31-12, 11:14 PM
Matta got bailed out with that baffling walking call. How you're not fouling, I don't know.

Michael Corvin
03-31-12, 11:14 PM
I got a buddy that moved down to 2nd row (after UK/UL game) behind the Kansas bench. Got him to wave a minute ago. :lol:

Decker
03-31-12, 11:15 PM
Bullshit walk call on Withey

starman9000
03-31-12, 11:18 PM
Wow, had it won and got cute. Probably won't matter though.

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 11:18 PM
Matta got bailed out with that baffling walking call. How you're not fouling, I don't know.

wait...you mean Thad mismanaged a game in crunch time? Shocking! rotfl

starman9000
03-31-12, 11:19 PM
Kudos to CBS for missing the final inbounds. :lol:

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 11:20 PM
wtf happened? nice work CBS!

Red Dog
03-31-12, 11:20 PM
Nice coverage of the end CBS.

OSU totally clueless.

Cardsfan111
03-31-12, 11:21 PM
I only watched the final 30 seconds of the first half and when the Buckeyes basically gave Kansas that layup at the buzzer, I wondered if that might come back to bite them. Ouch.

MrX
03-31-12, 11:22 PM
Nice last 45 seconds by Deshaun Thomas

Michael Corvin
03-31-12, 11:22 PM
Hey OSU, there's still 3 seconds left. :lol:

Bacon
03-31-12, 11:23 PM
So all 3 games in New Orleans were rematches?

Red Dog
03-31-12, 11:24 PM
And we still don't get a buzzer beater to end a game.

Decker
03-31-12, 11:25 PM
Woo hoo! I'm sure we will get killed in the Finals, but this win was sweet.

starman9000
03-31-12, 11:28 PM
Kansas win guarantees me money in my pool, though I'll get a lot more if KY wins.

HistoryProf
03-31-12, 11:45 PM
quote from the local news: "The Buckeyes might as well change their name to the Shuteyes, because KU put them to sleep!" :lol:

Nefarious
03-31-12, 11:45 PM
I think both CBS & tOSU expected KU to call a time and they smartly didn't.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7815686@N03/6887836974/" title="kuosu by nojhouck, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7195/6887836974_0d50d7d9bc_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="kuosu"></a>

starman9000
03-31-12, 11:51 PM
quote from the local news: "The Buckeyes might as well change their name to the Shuteyes, because KU put them to sleep!" :lol:

I hope you're laughing at them and not with them. ;)

Minor Threat
03-31-12, 11:51 PM
I am in total disbelief - way to go hawks! Probably gonna get schooled on Monday, but wow....!

Red Dog
03-31-12, 11:58 PM
Yeesh. UK opens at -7. 139.5 total.

Barth
04-01-12, 12:31 AM
Not a kentucky fan but hope they win by double digits. If college basketball wants to crown a true champion then kentucky should win. Ku escaped in the second round against purdue and has done so every game since. They might be a top 10 team but are no where near a top 5.

HistoryProf
04-01-12, 12:41 AM
I hope you're laughing at them and not with them. ;)

absolutely...the sports guy reporting from the street party on Mass Ave in Lawrence was beside himself with his own cleverness :lol:

HistoryProf
04-01-12, 12:53 AM
Not a kentucky fan but hope they win by double digits. If college basketball wants to crown a true champion then kentucky should win. Ku escaped in the second round against purdue and has done so every game since. They might be a top 10 team but are no where near a top 5.

That's just silly. The "Best Team" rarely wins the title. UNC in 2009 was probably the last example of a clear #1 from the get go waltzing through like KY has so far and actually winning it in the end. Hell, last year we had one of the worst title games in any sport in history. UConn v. Butler w/ 93 points scored? :lol:

2010 was the John wall Calipari All Stars....bzzzzzzt. 2008 was the Derrick Rose Calipari All Stars...bzzzzt. i think 2007 was the Greg Oden OSU All Stars....bzzzt.

So KY winning would be a rarity in terms of the most talented team actually winning. That's part of what's so scary about it happening. So far we've been able to satisfy ourselves by knowing that Cal's 1 and done assembly line ultimately is simply the wrong way to win a title because you need experience in addition to talent, and therefore the guys who do it "right" will still win in the end. But he seems to have assembled a group that's exceptional even by the standards of 2007 OSU, the Memphis Team, John Wall/Cousins and co, and so on. It sucks, but they're gonna win, and it's probably going to look a lot like UNC/MSU in 2009 (boring).

Johnny Zhivago
04-01-12, 01:09 AM
UK wins and it changes the game... Duke is already trying the one and done. And no, it's not a lock that they win. Give KU some props... Hell of a game.

sven
04-01-12, 01:57 AM
This year is a fluke. Kentucky got lucky as fuck there was a strike and several guys who would have been lottery picks came back. That won't be happening again for a while and they'll go back to choking against less talented but more experienced teams on a yearly basis.

Nefarious
04-01-12, 06:05 AM
Not a kentucky fan but hope they win by double digits. If college basketball wants to crown a true champion then kentucky should win. Ku escaped in the second round against purdue and has done so every game since. They might be a top 10 team but are no where near a top 5.

Who are the the 5 better teams? If they're so damn good how are they not still playing. This is far from the best KU team ever but they are certainly a top 5 team. Outside of Syracuse and Kentucky there isn't a team in the country that KU wouldn't beat more often than not.

How did they escape against UNC? They never trailed UNC by more than four but held larger leads than that on UNC on multiple occasions. They struggled in a few spots against South Carolina but were clearly the better team. One guy on Purdue shot lights out or they wouldn't have done as well as they did.

KU's downfall has always been high turnovers and poor free throw shooting. Both were on display last night. But I don't see how they got "lucky".

Arpeggi
04-01-12, 08:41 AM
This year is a fluke. Kentucky got lucky as fuck there was a strike and several guys who would have been lottery picks came back. That won't be happening again for a while and they'll go back to choking against less talented but more experienced teams on a yearly basis.

Several? Only lottery pick who came back was Terrance Jones.

Decker
04-01-12, 10:00 AM
Who are the the 5 better teams? If they're so damn good how are they not still playing. This is far from the best KU team ever but they are certainly a top 5 team. Outside of Syracuse and Kentucky there isn't a team in the country that KU wouldn't beat more often than not.

How did they escape against UNC? They never trailed UNC by more than four but held larger leads than that on UNC on multiple occasions. They struggled in a few spots against South Carolina but were clearly the better team. One guy on Purdue shot lights out or they wouldn't have done as well as they did.

KU's downfall has always been high turnovers and poor free throw shooting. Both were on display last night. But I don't see how they got "lucky".

Well said, except it was NC State, not South Carolina. They were fortunate to escape Purdue, but have stepped it up since. Their defense against UNC and Ohio State in the second halves was phenomenal. Any team that can step up their game and beat two of the top three teams from the start of the season during the NCAA tournament deserves to be there.

Nazgul
04-01-12, 11:03 AM
And Kentucky fan riots.....

http://kykernel.com/2012/03/31/pepper-spray-released-on-state-street-crowd/

BKenn01
04-01-12, 11:16 AM
And Kentucky fan riots.....

http://kykernel.com/2012/03/31/pepper-spray-released-on-state-street-crowd/

What a bunch of dumb asses. Thanks for making us look like fools to the rest of the world.

And as a UK fan Kansas will get no disrespect from me. In the NCAA tournament anything can happen so if they squeeked by a few teams so what it means nothing. Anyone watching the game last night knows Louisville didnt go down without giving UK a fight.

The statement the best team doesnt always win is very much the truth. Ask Coach Cal that with his first UK team.

This year is a fluke. Kentucky got lucky as fuck there was a strike and several guys who would have been lottery picks came back. That won't be happening again for a while and they'll go back to choking against less talented but more experienced teams on a yearly basis.

This is bull shit. Jones and Lamb came back because they werent ready.

Red Dog
04-01-12, 11:26 AM
That's just silly. The "Best Team" rarely wins the title. UNC in 2009 was probably the last example of a clear #1 from the get go waltzing through like KY has so far and actually winning it in the end. Hell, last year we had one of the worst title games in any sport in history. UConn v. Butler w/ 93 points scored? :lol:

2010 was the John wall Calipari All Stars....bzzzzzzt. 2008 was the Derrick Rose Calipari All Stars...bzzzzt. i think 2007 was the Greg Oden OSU All Stars....bzzzt.

So KY winning would be a rarity in terms of the most talented team actually winning. That's part of what's so scary about it happening. So far we've been able to satisfy ourselves by knowing that Cal's 1 and done assembly line ultimately is simply the wrong way to win a title because you need experience in addition to talent, and therefore the guys who do it "right" will still win in the end. But he seems to have assembled a group that's exceptional even by the standards of 2007 OSU, the Memphis Team, John Wall/Cousins and co, and so on. It sucks, but they're gonna win, and it's probably going to look a lot like UNC/MSU in 2009 (boring).

Agreed. When you have a playoff determining a champion, you're not necessarily going to have the best team (a subjective measurement) win it all (an objective measurement). I think everyone will agree that UK has been the best team this season. A loss Monday night wouldn't change that.

Like I've been saying all this year -- the difference between this team and the previous Cal superstar teams is that this team plays phenomenal defense. Plus it helps that they are very unselfish.

Who are the the 5 better teams? If they're so damn good how are they not still playing. This is far from the best KU team ever but they are certainly a top 5 team. Outside of Syracuse and Kentucky there isn't a team in the country that KU wouldn't beat more often than not.

How did they escape against UNC? They never trailed UNC by more than four but held larger leads than that on UNC on multiple occasions. They struggled in a few spots against South Carolina but were clearly the better team. One guy on Purdue shot lights out or they wouldn't have done as well as they did.

KU's downfall has always been high turnovers and poor free throw shooting. Both were on display last night. But I don't see how they got "lucky".

...and agreed.

I'm not exactly sure what some people want KU to do to further prove themselves. They beat the ACC's best team and the Big Ten's best team. They won the Big 12 regular season outright - the hard way - a true round robin, probably the 2nd best conference in the country this season.

Michael Corvin
04-01-12, 02:12 PM
Anyone watching the game last night knows Louisville didnt go down without giving UK a fight.

No they didn't. It was a great game both ways. Other than the final box score, I don't think UL fans could have asked for a better game.

What a bunch of dumb asses. Thanks for making us look like fools to the rest of the world.


:lol: You're rooting for the wrong team if you're expecting something different.

Red Dog
04-01-12, 02:27 PM
A tradition like none other....watching Hoosiers the Sunday afternoon btwn the Final Four and Championship Game.

BKenn01
04-01-12, 03:50 PM
:lol: You're rooting for the wrong team if you're expecting something different.

Now you know we could have seen the same result on Broadway....

Cardsfan111
04-01-12, 04:26 PM
Several? Only lottery pick who came back was Terrance Jones.


Jones and Lamb came back because they werent ready.

Jones is still far from ready. Guy has all kinds of talent, but you never know what player is going to show up on a given night.


Like I've been saying all this year -- the difference between this team and the previous Cal superstar teams is that this team plays phenomenal defense. Plus it helps that they are very unselfish.


I've watched UK several times and I'm not convinced that they're all that great as a team defensively. Oh, they're solid, but I think they're overrated. The fact is that Davis is just that good. With a guy like that, the other guys have no need to help out down low and have no worries when their opponent beats them off the dribble. I'll agree on the comment about this group being unselfish and playing so well together.

If Kentucky wins it all on Monday night, they'll be a deserving champion. I disagree with the earlier claim that this title (or this attempt at a championship with a bunch of 1-and-done-type players) is a fluke, but they were fortunate to experience a perfect storm of sorts when it came to their run. Most folks would have probably picked Syracuse and North Carolina as the two strongest contenders aside from UK, but both of them lost key players in the postseason. Combine that with the fact that this team, especially with Davis in the middle, is way better than Cal's last couple of squads.

Barth
04-01-12, 10:37 PM
Who are the the 5 better teams? If they're so damn good how are they not still playing. This is far from the best KU team ever but they are certainly a top 5 team. Outside of Syracuse and Kentucky there isn't a team in the country that KU wouldn't beat more often than not.

How did they escape against UNC? They never trailed UNC by more than four but held larger leads than that on UNC on multiple occasions. They struggled in a few spots against South Carolina but were clearly the better team. One guy on Purdue shot lights out or they wouldn't have done as well as they did.

KU's downfall has always been high turnovers and poor free throw shooting. Both were on display last night. But I don't see how they got "lucky".

Duke (already proved it this season), Missouri (who won the big 12), and a healthy North Carolina (missing your pg is like not having your qb in football, and ku would not beat them more often than not as you say) are all better teams. That already drops them out of the top 5.
KU got "lucky" in to not running in to a team that got hot for one game. Their shooting percentage for the first three games of the tourney was horrible. But you can get by with that playing a 15, 10, and 11 seed. I think Bill Self has done a great job, but this is not a team for the ages.

Red Dog
04-01-12, 11:16 PM
Missouri? KU beat them in a round robin format, and they flamed out vs. Norfolk State. Duke? Who lost to Lehigh (and couldn't match NC), as much as I will defend the Patriot League...sorry. Come on. You clearly haven't paid attention. KU surely has had luck, but you don't win 5 games in the Tourney solely on luck. Nobody said this is a team for the ages. It's a team playing great this year, and that's all that matters.

Nefarious
04-01-12, 11:42 PM
Duke (already proved it this season), Missouri (who won the big 12), and a healthy North Carolina (missing your pg is like not having your qb in football, and ku would not beat them more often than not as you say) are all better teams. That already drops them out of the top 5.
KU got "lucky" in to not running in to a team that got hot for one game. Their shooting percentage for the first three games of the tourney was horrible. But you can get by with that playing a 15, 10, and 11 seed. I think Bill Self has done a great job, but this is not a team for the ages.

KU played Duke extremely close and it was turnovers that cost them that game. Taylor had 10 by himself. Duke had plenty of its own struggles.

Missouri? Please. They lost to K-State twice. KU destroyed K-State both times. KU had an 8 pt lead on Mizzou in their loss to them and just blew it in the last 2 1/2 minutes. They played atrocious and went down by 19 at home to them and came back to beat them. KU won the regular season conference crown. It's 8th straight.

They are a top 5 team.

Bluelitespecial
04-02-12, 07:39 AM
mizzou won the big 12 tournament,not the regular season title. all the fans acted like they won it alll after the tourney weekend, but never made out of the first weekend of march madness.

Nazgul
04-02-12, 12:12 PM
mizzou won the big 12 tournament,not the regular season title. all the fans acted like they won it alll after the tourney weekend, but never made out of the first weekend of march madness.

co-rect. Mizzery fans were hyping up the tourney victory as the de facto Big XII title that trumps the reg season title.

kefrank
04-02-12, 01:50 PM
Duke (already proved it this season)
Proved what? I hope you don't mean Duke proved they were a better team than Kansas, simply because they beat Kansas in one game in November. In no way does that make them a better overall team for the year. Duke had plenty of issues and anyone who watched them play throughout the year could see that. They were propped up by some early season "quality wins" and a mostly weak ACC. I'm not a fan of Duke or Kansas, but to say that Duke "proved" they were a better team this year is laughable.

The Cow
04-02-12, 02:06 PM
Duke (already proved it this season), Missouri (who won the big 12), and a healthy North Carolina (missing your pg is like not having your qb in football, and ku would not beat them more often than not as you say) are all better teams. That already drops them out of the top 5.
Ohio State trashed Duke. Mizz? :lol: NC, you don't know that.

Kansas is in the topish discussion for sure. That said, they will probably get schooled tonight :(

Schloob1
04-02-12, 02:55 PM
Anyone have access to what the up to date spread is from Saturday night. Just wondering as the tie-breaker wins it for me in my pool. As far as 1st/2nd it was decided in my pool since before the Elite 8 weekend as my buddy and I had the same remaining picks. It was all down to whether Baylor could make the Elite 8 if I could catch up to him and then now rely on tonight's final. Just wondering how low Vagas still has the outcome at as our "over/under" is 157 in the tie-breaker score?

Red Dog
04-02-12, 03:10 PM
UK -6.5, 137.5 total

Schloob1
04-02-12, 04:47 PM
Thx Red Dog, hope that holds to fruition.

Bacon
04-02-12, 09:20 PM
I hope this game is better than the Bcs title game was in January

MrX
04-02-12, 09:22 PM
jfc, start the fucking game.

Red Dog
04-02-12, 10:19 PM
Very impressive half for UK on both ends. Does KU have one more comeback in them?

Bacon
04-02-12, 10:20 PM
20 minutes from the first vacated national championship in NCAA hoops history

Dave99
04-02-12, 11:28 PM
game has gotten interesting all of a sudden.

Cardsfan111
04-02-12, 11:31 PM
I have no idea how Kansas is still in this.

And as it is, those missed dunks earlier in the game are looking huge now.

Dave99
04-02-12, 11:39 PM
kansas has really pissed away a couple of chances to get this closer with stupid turnovers.

Johnny Zhivago
04-02-12, 11:44 PM
:banana:

Suck it h8ters.

Michael Corvin
04-02-12, 11:56 PM
:banana:

Suck it h8ters.

-ohbfrank- Typical Cat fan response. Keeping it classy as always.

The Cow
04-03-12, 12:02 AM
Congrats to KY. They didn't fade off in the tourney like other teams. Good team.

Johnny Zhivago
04-03-12, 12:05 AM
-ohbfrank- Typical Cat fan response. Keeping it classy as always.

:lol: lil bro.

20 minutes from the first vacated national championship in NCAA hoops history

My reply was to the Hogs fan, not you.

BKenn01
04-03-12, 12:26 AM
Feels good!

Nefarious
04-03-12, 08:19 AM
kansas has really pissed away a couple of chances to get this closer with stupid turnovers.

Plus a lot of missed shots close to the basket. Withey's missed dunk and Tyshawn's blown layup. Both would have been huge momentum swings by cutting the lead to under 5.

Kentucky was clearly better, though. They hit the shots when they needed to and played great defense. Davis had some crazy good blocks.

coli
04-03-12, 08:38 AM
Now we have to see smug-ass Calipari's mug all over the news for the next few days?

Red Dog
04-03-12, 09:02 AM
Now we have to see smug-ass Calipari's mug all over the news for the next few days?

Given the lack of attention the sport has gotten this year, probably not, especially with baseball starting up and The Masters/Tiger coming up.

Nice to see KU make a game of it. Just could not get it down to one possession and really put the pressure on UK. They missed a lot of short ones, but that's what happens even when Davis isn't getting a block. Been a long time since I've seen that good of a big man on the defensive end in college hoops. I guess we'll see if Cal can reload again.

Under 137.5 pays. :thumbsup: Thank god for the Under bet (game or 2nd half). It's been a godscend for me this tournament. I even played it in the Baylor womens game the other night (probably won't tonight though).

B.A.
04-03-12, 09:53 AM
I cannot remember the last time I did not watch a second of the national championship game.

dsa_shea
04-03-12, 11:22 AM
Congrats to Kentucky but will they now change their name to the Wildshots after dozens being arrested and someone actually getting shot during their celebration? And only a group of freshmen would actually want to wear a hat that says NO-1 GREATER on it than the standard National Championship hats that you see worn by the rest of the teams that win titles.

kefrank
04-03-12, 11:31 AM
Congrats to Kentucky but will they now change their name to the Wildshots after dozens being arrested and someone actually getting shot during their celebration? And only a group of freshmen would actually want to wear a hat that says NO-1 GREATER on it than the standard National Championship hats that you see worn by the rest of the teams that win titles.
Those hats are really terrible. It's hard for me to hate this group of Kentucky players, but the hats helped the cause. I look forward to watching NBA highlights of Anthony Davis' awesome blocks.

Michael Corvin
04-03-12, 11:34 PM
:lol: I love the hat design.

BKenn01
04-04-12, 07:07 PM
I doubt that the players had any choice in the matter. They are probably what Nike designed and they were handed them after the game.

The Cow
04-04-12, 09:13 PM
Dear ESPN... pretty much everyone in the country knew that Sullinger would go pro this year. And beyond that, people don't really care (coming from an OSU and NBA fan).

Schloob1
05-02-12, 04:15 PM
Anyone have access to what the up to date spread is from Saturday night. Just wondering as the tie-breaker wins it for me in my pool. As far as 1st/2nd it was decided in my pool since before the Elite 8 weekend as my buddy and I had the same remaining picks. It was all down to whether Baylor could make the Elite 8 if I could catch up to him and then now rely on tonight's final. Just wondering how low Vagas still has the outcome at as our "over/under" is 157 in the tie-breaker score?

Not to drag up an old thread, but if some of you would please say yay/nay to the following. Inviduals in my pool seem to be in the thinking that since ESPN in our pool listed my co-worker and I both as the #1 position that we basically tied and are disregarding the fact of the "tie-breaker" score that ESPN has you enter for the contest. Just me, or personally I have always been under the impression rule #1 of March Madness pools would be if 2 or more people had the same final amount of points then you go to the "tie-breaker" to determine who won. Correct?

Red Dog
05-02-12, 04:22 PM
The tournament has been over for a month and you're still trying to figure out who won your pool? :lol:

Schloob1
05-02-12, 04:28 PM
The tournament has been over for a month and you're still trying to figure out who won your pool? :lol:

I know I won the pool, but someone mentioned "I don't think I paid you yet". And that's when I mentioned that none of you actually have(only 4 of us total, and only for 5/piece), that's when he said: "Oh, you guys tied and the other person already paid the person you tied with". Sorry, but that's wrong since there was a tie-breaker and what is leading to this discussion just now :lol: So your thought on the matter Red Dog?

Cardsfan111
05-02-12, 05:44 PM
Seems like the tiebreaker rules should be clearly defined and written out before the tournament starts.

Schloob1
05-02-12, 06:12 PM
Seems like the tiebreaker rules should be clearly defined and written out before the tournament starts.

Why would you have a "tie-breaker" in the 1st place? ;) Seems pretty self-explanatory if you ask me, unfortunately cannot go on the ESPN tourney site to read their explantion as to why there would even be the need to put in total points but anything beyond the logical reason is beyond me.

davidh777
05-02-12, 06:22 PM
I was wondering why this thread had been bumped. I thought maybe the title had been vacated. :)