2011 NFL Playoffs Thread -- Wild Card Weekend - 01/07/12 and 01/08/12

[LorenzoL]

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="10"><b>WILD CARD WEEKEND</b></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="7"><b>Saturday, January 7th, 2012</b></td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td>TEAMS</td><td>TIME (ET)</td><td>TV</td><td>LOCATION</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Cincinnati at Houston</td><td>4:30 PM</td><td>NBC</td><td>Reliant Stadium</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Detroit at New Orleans</td><td>8:00 PM</td><td>NBC</td><td>Mercedes-Benz Superdome</td></tr></table>
<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="7"><b>Sunday, January 8th, 2012</b></td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td>TEAMS</td><td>TIME (ET)</td><td>TV</td><td>LOCATION</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Atlanta at NY Giants</td><td>1:00 PM</td><td>FOX</td><td>MetLife Stadium</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Pittsburgh at Denver</td><td>4:30 PM</td><td>CBS</td><td>Sports Authority Field at Mile High</td></tr></table>

[clappj]

Cincy, NO, Atlanta, & Pitt.

[raven56706]

Giants
Giants
GIANTS
GIANTS!!!!!!!


Realistically..

Cincy,
Giants
Pitt
and the upset .... Lions

[mcfly]

Cinci
Detroit
Atlanta
Denver

I think I want Detroit to win more than I can see them winning, but I'll still pick 'em.

With the way Big Ben is banged up (now supposedly even worse) and expected to start, I can see the Denver match up being a repeat of the 49ers game from a few weeks ago. Good defense, low scoring with Tebow having just enough muster to pull it off.

[koops]

Cincy
New Orleans
Atlanta
Pitt.

[fumanstan]

Cincy
New Orleans
Atlanta
Pitt.

Ditto for me.

[Red Dog]

Hou
no
nyg
pit

[Xander]

Houston
New Orleans
Giants
Pittsburgh

[d2cheer]

As much as I love football this weekend is one that never really gets me too jazzed. Not sure why as I get to see 4 games. But I would like to see:

Pitt in a 50-0 zip game
NO in a 50-0 zip game
And the Giants. I just can't get excited for Houston and Cincy at all glad it is the first one on Saturday seems even the networks think it is a throwaway game. Sorry if you are fans of the teams.

[VinVega]

Go Big Blue. Don't lay an egg this weekend.

[raven56706]

Vin.... come to the game!!!!

[Quack]

Cincinnati
Detroit
New York
Denver

[Decker]

Cincy
NO Saints
New York Giants
Pitt

[Red Dog]

As much as I love football this weekend is one that never really gets me too jazzed. Not sure why as I get to see 4 games.

Probably because you still have some marginal teams playing, although sometimes they pull off the shocker (like Seattle last year). To me the best NFL weekend (besides opening week) is the 2nd round of the playoffs. I'm already looking forward to: Saints-Niners and either Steelers-Pats II or Steelers-Ravens III. Of course now watch the Saints and Steelers go down.

[Noonan]

Go Bengals!!! Last thing I want is to have to play Pitt next week.

[Red Dog]

Go Bengals!!! Last thing I want is to have to play Pitt next week.

:lol:

Everyone in New England is rooting for Cincy. Everyone in Baltimore is rooting for Houston.

[Noonan]

I guess there's an outside chance Denver comes through with a win but I think it's much more likely that Cincy beats Houston.

[tommyp007]

Cincy
Pitt
NO
Atl

[VinVega]

Vin.... come to the game!!!!
I can't. Still paying off Christmas bills. I will be there in spirit though. I'll look for ya in the end zone on TV.

[kenbuzz]

:lol:

Everyone in New England is rooting for Cincy. Everyone in Baltimore is rooting for Houston.


Everybody in New England and Baltimore and everywhere else decent and wholesome are rooting for Denver.

[kenbuzz]

According to the pick trends of the "experts" participating in the Survivor Pool (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/sports-talk/597782-dvdtalk-2011-nfl-playoff-survivor-pool-9th-annual.html), the odds for this weekend's games appear to be:

Houston 7:8 (pretty much a dead heat at this point)
New Orleans 1:9
NY Giants 1:2
Pittsburgh 1:17

[Bill Needle]

Hou
no
nyg
pit

Same.

[d2cheer]

Probably because you still have some marginal teams playing, although sometimes they pull off the shocker (like Seattle last year). To me the best NFL weekend (besides opening week) is the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Agree 1000X. I knew someone here would put it into words better than I could. -wink-

[Red Dog]

Same.

Uh oh. ;)

[Goat3001]

For all the pundits that are pointing out how the Bengals have only beaten two teams over .500, I wonder how many realize that the Patriots haven't beaten any?

Cincy, Pitts, Giants, Saints

Then Pats over Cincy, Ravens over Steelers, Saints over Niners, Green Bay over Giants

Then Ravens over Pats, Saints over Green Bay

Super Bowl: Saints over Ravens

(This will change if Roethlisberger is healthy. If he heals up then replace Ravens with Steelers)

[Red Dog]

For all the pundits that are pointing out how the Bengals have only beaten two teams over .500, I wonder how many realize that the Patriots haven't beaten any?


Hard to fault people who are willing to give the Pats a little benefit of the doubt based on the pedigree. At least compared to the Bungles.

That being said, I think the Pats lack of being battle-tested this season is going to hurt them in these playoffs. They played only 2 teams with a winning record (and lost both).

BTW - Cincy has beaten only 1 team with a winning record - Tennessee.

[Goat3001]

Hard to fault people who are willing to give the Pats a little benefit of the doubt based on the pedigree. At least compared to the Bungles.

That being said, I think the Pats lack of being battle-tested this season is going to hurt them in these playoffs. They played only 2 teams with a winning record (and lost both).

BTW - Cincy has beaten only 1 team with a winning record - Tennessee.

I just think it's unfair to say team A has problems because they've only beaten one +.500 team yet team B is a Super Bowl favorite though they haven't beaten any. If you're not looking at pedigree, I think there's a good chance that the Patriots are a 10-6 team masquerading as the #1 seed.

And if you are looking at pedigree... then I see no playoff wins in 4 years.

[Red Dog]

I just think it's unfair to say team A has problems because they've only beaten one +.500 team yet team B is a Super Bowl favorite though they haven't beaten any. If you're not looking at pedigree, I think there's a good chance that the Patriots are a 10-6 team masquerading as the #1 seed.

And if you are looking at pedigree... then I see no playoff wins in 4 years.

Well it's all sorted out on the field, so it's a non-issue. It's not we're comparing 2 college teams....thank god.

Frankly, I think it's also because the carbon blobs and media are dying to see Pats-Pack to get their shootout. I'd much rather see the Pack (or Saints) go up against a top D like the Ravens. Plus I'm getting tired of seeing the same (3) teams represent the AFC year after year.

[NORML54601]

Cincy
New Orleans
Atlanta
Pitt.

This

[Obey The D]

Cincy
NO Saints
New York Giants
Pitt

This

[raven56706]

Who is the surprise winner this weekend for you guys?

[Quack]

Denver

[CRM114]

Bengals
Lions
Giants
Squeelers

[wsox2009]

Tebowing on the Toilet Tonight.

[kenbuzz]

Hard to fault people who are willing to give the Pats a little benefit of the doubt based on the pedigree. At least compared to the Bungles.

That being said, I think the Pats lack of being battle-tested this season is going to hurt them in these playoffs. They played only 2 teams with a winning record (and lost both).

BTW - Cincy has beaten only 1 team with a winning record - Tennessee.

You know, I can't disagree. The Stripes beat the teams they were better than, and lost to the teams that were better than them - at least looking at the records. All of the AFC teams that finished above .500 made the playoffs - including Cincinnati, but excluding Tennessee. Cincinnati beat Tennessee head-to-head, so them being in the playoffs as the #6 seed is right where they should be IMO.

In Cincy's defense, though, except for the blowout loss at Pittsburgh they were competitive in all of their losses. Every one of them was by a TD or less and ended with them either having the ball needing to score to tie/win, or with them on defense needing to stop their opponent from scoring to tie/win. Not too shabby for a team that lost their veteran QB to a hold-out, forcing them to start a 2nd round rookie QB with NO training camp, and for a team that was picked to come in dead last in the division, conference, and in some experts' opinion the entire league. Vegas had set the over/under at 4 wins back in August, and today they're in the playoffs. Not bad at all.

Just wait until next year when they're supposed to be competitive. :up:

[Osiris3657]

:lol: at all the Bengals picks.

[mcfly]

:lol: at all the Bengals picks.I don't think it's that far off. It's going to be a very close game probably decided by a field goal. Just because the Texans came from behind to beat them in Cinci doesn't make them a superior team.

Are the Texans considered the underdog in the game anyway?

[adrenaline78]

I'm taking the

Steelers, Bungles, Loins(yup) and Falcons

[sleepyhead55]

Who is the surprise winner this weekend for you guys?

I think Denver has a chance but their defense has to get a few turnovers just to make it easier on Tebow.

Picking:

Bengals
Saints
Giants
Steelers

[wmansir]

Isn't it weird to not have any pregame show until a half hour before the first game?

[mcfly]

Isn't it weird to not have any pregame show until a half hour before the first game?Yeah I would have thought NBC's would've been longer. I have the NFL Network on.

[mcfly]

What's Liberace doing calling this game?

[aktick]

:lol: I was going to say, Hammond looks like a doll.

[NORML54601]

Anyone else's HD feed look like shit?

[mcfly]

My feed looks fine.

[starman9000]

Yeah mine is fine.

[mcfly]

I would've thought Weight Watchers would have pulled the Barkley commercials after what he had said the other day.

[NORML54601]

What did he say?

[dsa_shea]

That play really needs to be challenged? Good grief! The guy was down on the ground with the ball for several seconds before the Benguy stripped it away.

[aktick]

That play really needs to be challenged? Good grief! The guy was down on the ground with the ball for several seconds before the Benguy stripped it away.

And who's the color guy? He's an idiot for thinking it might have been intercepted..."was he down when the ball came out?" Uhhh, yeah, he's laying on his back with obvious control, I think he was down.

[dsa_shea]

Nice snatch out of the air on the pick!

[dsa_shea]

And who's the color guy? He's an idiot for thinking it might have been intercepted..."was he down when the ball came out?" Uhhh, yeah, he's laying on his back with obvious control, I think he was down.

He was down so long that I think he snuck a nap in there.

[NORML54601]

That was a hell of a catch by Watt

[wishbone]

Even the cameraman gave up on that play and assumed the ball was knocked down. :lol:

[brizz]

I would've thought Weight Watchers would have pulled the Barkley commercials after what he had said the other day.

except only idiots actually believed he was calling WW a scam. he said something like "I thought getting paid to watch basketball was the biggest scam on earth...but WW is an even bigger one - they pay me to lose weight!" or to that effect...then went on about how he'd lost 38 lbs, hadn't missed a weigh in, and was getting paid for it...ending with something like 'now THAT's a scam!"

i.e. HE was scamming THEM.

[aktick]

You mean people were taking things out of context and getting butt-hurt over nothing? I don't believe it!

[NORML54601]

:lol:

[wishbone]

Wide open TD pass.

[Funkpie]

That'll take care of that game...Andre Johnson is kinda good, you'd think the Bengals would assign someone to cover him

[aktick]

I think next year NBC should hire a new commentating team. :rolleyes: :lol:

"And on 4th down the Bengals will go for it." -Hammond...with the Bengals clearly lining up to punt.

Dalton has definitely looked like more of a rookie than Yates.

[Deftones]

why the hell would you catch that? stupid. :lol:

[wishbone]

Nice INT/punt.

[koops]

I know I'm late to the party, but these announcers are terrible. Bring back Charles Barkley for commentary for some reason!

[dsa_shea]

What 37 different records could a QB have?

[NORML54601]

And I go out in the first round of the pool yet again :lol:

[wishbone]

Wow, determined TD by Foster. :lol:

[Funkpie]

well, there's the Bungles we all remember. dang

[brizz]

You mean people were taking things out of context and getting butt-hurt over nothing? I don't believe it!

Shocking I know! :lol:

Kevin Harlan is a KC native and on the radio here every week - he was completely incredulous that ANYONE could have misconstrued what he said. It was pretty funny listening to him talk about Charles off air too.

[mcfly]

I agree Hammond should stick to horse racing. His play calling has been awful today.

[Deftones]

And I go out in the first round of the pool yet again :lol:

serves you right for winning the points suicide league. ;)

[mcfly]

Good for the Texans. I really had anticipated the Bengals to play better than they did. They looked almost amateurish out there.

[Deftones]

If I were a Bengals fan, I'd be slightly disappointed but I'd be really excited about the future. A good looking rookie QB who is only likely to get better, a stud WR in the making and those draft picks from Oakland. The future looks bright.

[dsa_shea]

The Texans are a team that I could see finding a way to make it to the Super Bowl if they hadn't had so many injuries.

[kenbuzz]

If I were a Bengals fan, I'd be slightly disappointed but I'd be really excited about the future. A good looking rookie QB who is only likely to get better, a stud WR in the making and those draft picks from Oakland. The future looks bright.

I am. And taking the pulse of the folks I sit around at Paul Brown Stadium, the folks I tailgate with, and the folks on the various Bengal fan boards - we all pretty much feel this way.

I'm delighted we made the playoffs, and am obviously disappointed that we lost, but I am stoked about the future. 2011 was "bonus football" as far as I'm concerned - we're not supposed to be competitive until 2012-14. Now we've got demonstrated talent on offense, a vastly improved defense, a team with playoff experience, and stockpiled draft picks (6 in the top 2 rounds over the next two years) - yes, the future does look bright.

[Osiris3657]

Suck it haters! :) WOO!!!

[brizz]

Let's go Lions!

[wishbone]

Lion's offense moving the ball pretty well so far.

[Sdallnct]

Yea, I've been impressed with the Lions, but pulling for NOLA.

And nice to see one of the Texas teams do something...tho I'm not really a Texan fan. I watched some of the game while at the gym.

[Deftones]

This Titus Young kid is looking pretty good. Might be a pretty good WR in a year or so.

[wishbone]

TD Lions, nice drive.

[mcfly]

TD Lions!

[Quack]

Just like that.

[Daryl]

Hot knife, warm butter

[Sdallnct]

Nice drive...and let the track meet begin!!

[Quack]

Hot knife, warm butter

:up:

[aktick]

I watched some of the game while at the gym.

Congratulations? ;)

[mcfly]

Colston drops it.

[kenbuzz]

There's the turnover. If this game is going to put up pinball-like scores, then teams have to hold serve when they have the ball. Detroit just broke New Orleans' service.

[Sdallnct]

There's the turnover. If this game is going to put up pinball-like scores, then teams have to hold serve when they have the ball. Detroit just broke New Orleans' service.

Meh...it's early. And both teams are still feeling each out and actually trying to run...lol....

Once they settle down or one team gets down by 10 I suspect the passing ratio will go up even more than it it currently is.

As we get into the 2nd half, I 100% agree with you. But right now everything is just fuel for the fire so to speak...

[kenbuzz]

You don't have to wait until the 2nd half to agree with me. You're free to agree with me all the time. :)

[brizz]

fastest quarter ever...but i guess that'll happen when neither QB throws an incompletion :lol:

[Sdallnct]

You don't have to wait until the 2nd half to agree with me. You're free to agree with me all the time. :)

Ha! I'll drink to that! Wait...drinking anyway...I'll pour you one!!

[dsa_shea]

fastest quarter ever...but i guess that'll happen when neither QB throws an incompletion :lol:

We're only a couple of passes away from halftime.

[brizz]

Touchdown megatron!!!!!!!!!!

[Sdallnct]

wow...another NOLA turnover

[Quack]

Should have been a TD if they didn't blow it dead right?

[Daryl]

not sure how that 3rd down wasn't grounding, since he was inside the tackles and the ball bounced shy of the line of scrimmage

[Daryl]

:lol: what a joke

[Sdallnct]

I don't like the "new" rule. Use to be the ground couldn't cause a fumble. Now you got to control it well after the play is over. Even if out of bounds.

[brizz]

I wonder if they'll call NO for holding at any point....because they're blatantly doing it on every play :lol:

That personal foul was the most ridiculous call i've ever seen. just unreal. At least America gets a front row seat to the latest in a long line of Lions screw jobs :lol:

[onebyone]

I don't like the "new" rule. Use to be the ground couldn't cause a fumble. Now you got to control it well after the play is over. Even if out of bounds.

I hate that too! We don't need someone to control the ball forever after the catch is over and we've all moved on. Most of the new rules have done nothing but hurt the game imho.

This game is making me wish I drank. I need something to soothe my nerves.

[chowderhead]

wow, Detroit is getting hosed by the refs.

[Sdallnct]

I hate that too! We don't need someone to control the ball forever after the catch is over and we've all moved on. Most of the new rules have done nothing but hurt the game imho.

This game is making me wish I drank. I need something to soothe my nerves.

Well I gave Sam Adams yet another shot. I got their spring or whatever Variety pack and so far not impressed. But I've also got Fat Tire, Smithwicks and Guinness. Or screw the beer and I can pull out the purple bag ;)

[starman9000]

Why did they give Brees forward progress on that 4th and inches? He pulled the ball back himself

[Arpeggi]

Lions are garbage.

[Daryl]

Why did they give Brees forward progress on that 4th and inches? He pulled the ball back himself
wondering the same, but after seeing the other "first down" the Saints got earlier in the drive, I'm not surprised

[mcfly]

wondering the same, but after seeing the other "first down" the Saints got earlier in the drive, I'm not surprisedThat whole drive was given to the Saints. I'm surprised Schwartz didn't challenge the position of the spot on that first one.

[mcfly]

That was a beautiful pass.

[onebyone]

Yes it was a beautiful pass.

I think I need Sdallnct to pass the purple bag.

[Preacher]

Megatron is the best receiver in football.
Just wow. That catch in triple coverage that included the DB's arm. :lol:

[kenbuzz]

Well I gave Sam Adams yet another shot. I got their spring or whatever Variety pack and so far not impressed. But I've also got Fat Tire, Smithwicks and Guinness. Or screw the beer and I can pull out the purple bag ;)

I've finished off my Smithwicks, have a few Newcastles, a six of Guinness Black Lager, and a case of Bud longnecks. I had a lot more beer on hand before the Bengals started stinking up the place. My 'purple bag' is a bottle of Stoli in the freezer, but things haven't gotten that bad yet. :)

Does the Sam Variety Pack include Denis Leary's favorite: Cranberry Ale?

[Daryl]

I had my hopes up that they'd finally called the Saints for holding, alas it was not to be

[Decker]

Lions are garbage.

Someone should really send the coaching staff a text message and let them know they're allowed to run with the ball as well as passing it.

[Sdallnct]

Yes it was a beautiful pass.

I think I need Sdallnct to pass the purple bag.

Yup wife's friend got me a bottle for Christmas....still have the "stocking" up!

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2446/imageoij.jpg

I've finished off my Smithwicks, have a few Newcastles, a six of Guinness Black Lager, and a case of Bud longnecks. I had a lot more beer on hand before the Bengals started stinking up the place. My 'purple bag' is a bottle of Stoli in the freezer, but things haven't gotten that bad yet. :)

Does the Sam Variety Pack include Denis Leary's favorite: Cranberry Ale?

How is the Black Lager? And no, no Cranberry Ale. The unfiltered was pretty bland and the amber needed a lot more taste...so needing more taste I went to this...so good...

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2512/imagewwj.jpg

[Daryl]

annnnnnnnnnnd, another non-call on a hold that leads to a TD

[Pharoh]

annnnnnnnnnnd, another non-call on a hold that leads to a TD

Can't say I will be sorry to see the Lions lose, (sorry Daryl), but the calls that I've seen have been atrocious. Detroit playing against the refs as well.

[Quack]

Hey don't we know that guy with the Halo outfit?

[Me007gold]

Can't say I will be sorry to see the Lions lose, (sorry Daryl), but the calls that I've seen have been atrocious. Detroit playing against the refs as well.

Staffard just got tackled by his head, and it was a no call

[Daryl]

Lions haven't helped themselves by dropping 3 INT's, at least.


ugh, Meachum - that's a dagger right there.

[Daryl]

Megatron.

[Sdallnct]

Wow...my son beat me...he took the over on 70 points total against me...

[Preacher]

Lions fans you had a great year. This Saints offense is just astounding.
Their punter never punted.
And yeah, those dropped picks.

[jasondaub]

Ho hum, another Saints home game victory with over 600 yards of offense. Time to go on the road now and win one.

[Sdallnct]

Ho hum, another Saints home game victory with over 600 yards of offense. Time to go on the road now and win one.

I really think they can. I'd take them over the Pack right now....

I know they got to get thru the 49er's...but got to admit to not being on the 49er band wagon.

[jasondaub]

I have them as favorites to win the entire thing, but road games are always a tough thing come playoff time.

[brizz]

Terrible tackling, dropped INTs, and NO holding with impunity made this one hard to win. especially the terrible tackling. oh well.

and NO is gifted PI as I type this on a woulded duck :lol:

[onebyone]

With the way the game ended, hard to believe it was likethis in the first half.

Detroit really came unglued at the end of the game, but they played great and had a good season. A good Detroit is best for all of us, so we don't have to suffer those horrible Thanksgiving games anymore.

Sure do wish that the Saints had the number 2 seed at least. Damn those strange losses to Tampa and St. Louis.

[mcfly]

Disappointing end. I hope the 49ers can take them off at Candlestick.

[kenbuzz]

I'm shocked the Saints didn't pile-on the points there at the end. That's what they did all year long, especially at home. I guess padding stats in the post-season isn't as important as in the regular season, eh?

[WallyOPD]

I know they made sure Brees got the record in week 16, but what were these myriad other games in which they ran up the score late?

[mcfly]

I know they made sure Brees got the record in week 16, but what were these myriad other games in which they ran up the score late?The only one that comes to mind is the Indy game (which I didn't watch) just by going off the score it was 62-7 but I don't know if they kept Brees in the whole game and had him kill at at the end.

[Apple Gooncha]

The only one that comes to mind is the Indy game (which I didn't watch) just by going off the score it was 62-7 but I don't know if they kept Brees in the whole game and had him kill at at the end.

Brees came out late in the 3rd quarter in that one, and they didn't throw a pass the entire 4th quarter.

[Daryl]

this loss will suck twice as much tomorrow when Atlanta walks into (whatever the Meadowlands are called now) and beat the Giants

[mcfly]

this loss will suck twice as much tomorrow when Atlanta walks into (whatever the Meadowlands are called now) and beat the GiantsMetLife Stadium.

It's a shame they just couldn't pull off the W last week. It would have been much more satisfying for me to see the Falcons lose tonight.

[brizz]

this loss will suck twice as much tomorrow when Atlanta walks into (whatever the Meadowlands are called now) and beat the Giants

Yeah....that titus young TD that got jobbed away really hurts right about now. I had no illusions that Detroit would win this game, but just having to play it kind of chaps my ass. Add in the 0 holding calls tonight when there were so many blatantly obvious ones on critical plays (the toss on 4th down was also made possible by Henderson blocking the DB in the back right in front of the ref - which gave the RB the corner) and dropped INTs and the amazing performance by Stafford and Megatron is soiled a bit.

None of which excuses their total inability to tackle. Just atrocious. However, the future is very very bright, and I really hope they get that kid Konz to play center in the 1st round this year - either him or Janoris Jenkins from 'bama to play corner. Upgrades there and have Mikel Leshour prove to be an NFL RB and this team can be very dangerous.

[cwwallace]

I picked the Lions because no one else did, and I thought they were just cocky enough to go into the Superdome and beat the Saints.

I didn't have any ilusions that the Saints weren't clearly better, but the officiating was absolutely atrocious. I don't think it would have made a difference, but that was a piss poor perfomance by the refs. I counted 4 obvious holding calls that went ignored or were missed. The Saints received favorable spots everytime they were near the first down marker as well.

Brees and Stafford are both native Texans - lots of good football comes out of this state.

[Preacher]

Didn't take a close look at what was the late Sunday game.
Think I assumed it would be Atlanta /NY Giants.
Pittsburgh @ Denver???

Look I'll write that Denver can win this game. Some sort of Tebow thing, I guess. It happened enough.
But does anyone else here think they have a chance in this game? Is this seriously such a ratings grab that it deserved the late game?

[LorenzoL]

People will tune in hoping to catch some "Tebow magic". Whether it happens or not, that's another story but I can see why CBS would want it as a late game.

[aktick]

Didn't take a close look at what was the late Sunday game.
Think I assumed it would be Atlanta /NY Giants.
Pittsburgh @ Denver???


Obviously they weren't going to start the Denver game at 11am local time.

[adrenaline78]

not sure if this was discussed.. but here is a ? about the 4th down when Brees jumped with the ball.


Should the play have been a first down? Brees jumped up, extended the ball over the line to get the first down, but then pulled the ball back to secure it. Where the ball ended up would not have been a first down, and I am wondering why it was called that way?

This was not a scoring play, where if it was, the ball just needed to cross the plane of the goalline to count. Brees pulled the ball back but was given forward progress.

But lets run this scenario. Brees runs over the first down and then willingly runs backwards a few yards to not get the first down. There would not have been forward progress given as he willingly did this.


I also wonder why Schwartz didn't challenge this or the Colston first down. Both would have stopped scoring drives.




oh and the lions just gave up.

[Jeremy517]

not sure if this was discussed.. but here is a ? about the 4th down when Brees jumped with the ball.


Should the play have been a first down? Brees jumped up, extended the ball over the line to get the first down, but then pulled the ball back to secure it. Where the ball ended up would not have been a first down, and I am wondering why it was called that way?

He was still past the first down marker even after pulling the ball back.

[adrenaline78]

He was still past the first down marker even after pulling the ball back.

ok. It looked to me that only the ball crossed via the lunge.

[starman9000]

Yeah, it looked like he might have been, though they gave him the spot of the reach.

There was a similar play earlier in the day (though I cant remember if it was in a college or NFL game), where a receiver caught the ball right at about the first down marker, he was hit but then he sort of bobbled the ball backwards and had to reach out to pull it in. That play they gave him the initial forward progress as well, which didn't seem right.

[aktick]

I never have liked how they call forward progress...yes, in a lot of cases it makes sense, but in others it just seems to completely penalize the D for good play. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that they favor the offense with this rule as well...

[Sdallnct]

Wasn't sure I was going to watch the early game today. But woke early and got a few things done. So will watch for a bit.

Thinking NY will win, but hoping Atlanta will. Just because I can't ever pull for the Giants ;)

[kenbuzz]

Riddle me this. FOX showed a graphic indicating that Eli Manning had 4900+ passing yards this year, 6th highest in NFL history. Moments later, they showed another graphic saying that the Giants had 290+ passing yards per game this year, highest in Giants history.

300 yards per game x 16 games = 4,800 yards / year

How does Manning have over 4,900 yards if the team has under 4,800? Did a backup QB come in and throw for NEGATIVE 150 yards? Do yards lost via sacks or kneel downs count against the team but NOT against the QB?

[The Cow]

** yawn **

[Deftones]

this game is fucking exciting!

[The Cow]

Riddle me this. FOX showed a graphic indicating that Eli Manning had 4900+ passing yards this year, 6th highest in NFL history. Moments later, they showed another graphic saying that the Giants had 290+ passing yards per game this year, highest in Giants history.

300 yards per game x 16 games = 4,800 yards / year

How does Manning have over 4,900 yards if the team has under 4,800? Did a backup QB come in and throw for NEGATIVE 150 yards? Do yards lost via sacks or kneel downs count against the team but NOT against the QB?

Yeah, according to ESPN's stats, it's the sacks.

Eli: 4933
Team: 4734
YDSL: 199

[TheNightFlier]

That's a terrible call. Kick the field goal.

[davidh777]

So much for a promising drive

[Tarantino]

Riddle me this. FOX showed a graphic indicating that Eli Manning had 4900+ passing yards this year, 6th highest in NFL history. Moments later, they showed another graphic saying that the Giants had 290+ passing yards per game this year, highest in Giants history.

300 yards per game x 16 games = 4,800 yards / year

How does Manning have over 4,900 yards if the team has under 4,800? Did a backup QB come in and throw for NEGATIVE 150 yards? Do yards lost via sacks or kneel downs count against the team but NOT against the QB?

That equals...you having too much time on your hands.

If Tebow beats the Steelers today, I will post a pic of me Tebow'ing in one of my Pittsburgh jerseys.

[davidh777]

Looks like grounding

[Cory02]

Going for it on 4th down doesn't look so bad for the Falcons now since they at least got 2 points plus the ball back.

[Sdallnct]

Does Atlanta have a D or are the Giants just not playing?

Good call by the refs. Obvious intentional grounding...suck it Eli!!

[Deftones]

If Tebow beats the Steelers today, I will post a pic of me Tebow'ing in one of my Pittsburgh jerseys.

You posting a picture of yourself on the internet? No way!

[TheNightFlier]

Does Atlanta have a D or are the Giants just not playing?

Good call by the refs. Obvious intentional grounding...suck it Eli!!

Both.

Abraham obviously needs to be doubled at this point, but Bradshaw, Jacobs, and the o-line look like they're sleepwalking.

[mcfly]

That equals...you having too much time on your hands.It's ok. Simple mathematics isn't your thing. No need to be jealous.

[mcfly]

I love how the first points had come from a safety.

This must be one of those games where the Giants "didn't show up". I don't think it matters who wins this game since neither of these teams are capable of a Super Bowl run.

[Preacher]

Obviously they weren't going to start the Denver game at 11am local time.

:lol:

That's a good point.
Still the last game I always remember it being the biggest one.
The Tebow thing I guess.

[TheNightFlier]

Well Jacobs is waking up.

[Deftones]

Wtf was that atl? Ryan doesn't run out of bounds and they don't take a time out? Horrible clock management there.

[Preacher]

Andy Reid time management by the Falcons before the half. Seriously.
Gumpish even.

[spainlinx0]

I love Eli.

[Deftones]

That Bradshaw guy is garbage I tell ya.

[brizz]

I picked the Lions because no one else did, and I thought they were just cocky enough to go into the Superdome and beat the Saints.

I didn't have any ilusions that the Saints weren't clearly better, but the officiating was absolutely atrocious. I don't think it would have made a difference, but that was a piss poor perfomance by the refs. I counted 4 obvious holding calls that went ignored or were missed. The Saints received favorable spots everytime they were near the first down marker as well.

Brees and Stafford are both native Texans - lots of good football comes out of this state.

Saints are just the best...they don't hold! ;)

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/983/51983/349769.jpg

[wishbone]

Falcons denied again.

[fumanstan]

Worst QB sneaking ever.

[wishbone]

Wide open! :lol:

[davidh777]

Nicks :eek:

[davidh777]

Thought that was going to be blocked

[onebyone]

It would be hard to look worse than the Falcons offense today.

[Sigh]

It would be hard to look worse than the Falcons offense today.Patience. Jesus doesn't play until 4:30PM EST.

[Cory02]

Patience. Jesus doesn't play until 4:30PM EST.

:lol:

[spainlinx0]

Good day to be a Giants fan.

[wishbone]

Nice

[JumpCutz]

Falcons defense 2
Falcons offense 0

[mcfly]

After last year's ridiculous loss after having a bye week in the Divisonal round, it just seems like the Falcons aren't built for the playoffs. This game has been abysmal for them.

Looks like the Giants are going to Lambeau.

[Preacher]

Hey Atlanta. You were supposed to show up for a football game today.
Cause you didn't.

NFC East - Represent

[Preacher]

Patience. Jesus doesn't play until 4:30PM EST.

:lol:

[onebyone]

Patience. Jesus doesn't play until 4:30PM EST.

:lol:

The Falcons set the bar high, but if anyone can match it, it's Jesus.

Good game Giants, congratulations!

[Red Dog]

What an ass-kicking.

I had ATL 19-1 at the beginning of the season to win the SB. Oh well. Made that up today and more on NYG pk 2nd half. Doesn't get easier than that. For the Eagles fans that bitch about Andy Reid, I give you Mike Smith. All that talent and can't do shit in the playoffs. I'm channeling TMQ but he basically said surrender when he didn't go for that 4th and 1 on the NYG 40 in the first half when they had all the momentum.

I can't imagine GB wants to see this Giants team. When they get on a roll and are a playoff dog.....

[Preacher]

These Giants can beat the Packers. They have a far superior D that is playing damn well right now.
And Mike Smith is a gutless Coach. As Red Dog says before halftime.
And with 9 1/2 minutes left he punts. Your season's over if you don't score. You don't punt.

[kenbuzz]

What an ass-kicking.

I had ATL 19-1 at the beginning of the season to win the SB.

The line on Cincinnati was even longer, but they matched Atlanta's result:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4130/bengals2012.jpg

[davidh777]

Miami just called Falcons OC Mike Mularkey and canceled his interview. (Kidding, of course)

[kenbuzz]

Charlie Casserle reports: Rams want Jeff Fisher, he will make a decision by Wednesday
Dolphins intervewing Falcons OC Mike Malarkey and *possibly* Bengals DC Mike Zimmer this week
Chiefs have not made a decision regarding hiring Romeo Crennel but Casserle thinks they will sign him
Jags interviewing Malarkey and Broncos' OC Mike McCoy this week
Buccaneers interviewing Brad Childress tomorrow and Texans' DC Wade Phillips on Friday
Raiders' Hue Jackson has not been fired

[chrisih8u]

Buccaneers interviewing Brad Childress tomorrow and Texans' DC Wade Phillips on Friday


:lol:

They were probably going to try to hire Norv Turner.

[Sdallnct]

These Giants can beat the Packers. They have a far superior D that is playing damn well right now.
And Mike Smith is a gutless Coach. As Red Dog says before halftime.
And with 9 1/2 minutes left he punts. Your season's over if you don't score. You don't punt.

I'll disagree...lol

I think Atlanta got rattled and aren't built to put up points once they got behind.

GB won't get rattled and can put up plenty of points. I'd take the Pack by 10.

[brizz]

Bucs are interviewing Childress? They think that will be an improvement? :lol:

[Sdallnct]

Charlie Casserle reports: Rams want Jeff Fisher, he will make a decision by Wednesday
Dolphins intervewing Falcons OC Mike Malarkey and *possibly* Bengals DC Mike Zimmer this week
Chiefs have not made a decision regarding hiring Romeo Crennel but Casserle thinks they will sign him
Jags interviewing Malarkey and Broncos' OC Mike McCoy this week
Buccaneers interviewing Brad Childress tomorrow and Texans' DC Wade Phillips on Friday
Raiders' Hue Jackson has not been fired

Bucs are interviewing Childress? They think that will be an improvement? :lol:

"Take Rob Ryan"...................please take him! Ha!

[whotony]

How can Denver win today?

[Sdallnct]

How can Denver win today?

After spending nearly 9 months in Pittsburgh this year and seeing a couple of games, and hearing their fans....

I do have my rosary beads out and pulling for Tebow....

And Denver is my 2nd favorite team....sooo.....

[Cory02]

If the Broncos play like they did last week, the Steelers may already have enough points to win.

[Tarantino]

You posting a picture of yourself on the internet? No way!

My over/under on you commenting on that was 5 mins, so you were right on the money.

[davidh777]

Tebow carries it on their first play from scrimmage! :jawdrop:

[whotony]

I like CBS' coverage but I wish they would change that music for the stats.

[kenbuzz]

Broncos first pass play: DE Ziggy Hood (#96) hits Tebow well after releasing the ball. It wasn't a low hit, as the hit was waist-level. I guess he was too close to the QB when he began his dive.

[brizz]

Tebow Teblows.

[Preacher]

Tebow Teblows.
Ugh. This could be a slaughter.

[kenbuzz]

What's the over/under on the first snap taken by Charlie Batch? I'm thinking start of 4Q.

[Cory02]

How soon does the Brady Quinn watch start? I think we may see him if the Steelers score a TD.

[aktick]

As if their passing game wasn't bad enough...now Decker looks done. :lol: Kind of cheap hit from Harrison, even if legal.

Really pissed to see the Giants win like that today. The last team I wanted to play. I can see them beating GB quite easily, to be honest.

[kenbuzz]

Hard to avoid injury with defenders diving at your knees.

[Deftones]

Hey look, Harrison with another cheap hit.

[Preacher]

A completed pass form Denver!

[whotony]

Hey look, Harrison with another cheap hit.

I thought it was a cheap shot.

[Sdallnct]

Tebow...that was a nice throw....

[Sdallnct]

Tebow...tebow...tebow....

[Preacher]

Woah. Tebow magic. :lol:

[Deftones]

That was two pretty damn good throws, especially that last one.

[davidh777]

TD :jawdrop:

[Cory02]

The Steelers secondary should be ashamed.

[aktick]

Tebow time baby!

Defenses around the league should hate Harrison...it's in large part because of his cheap play that a lot of these offense-friendly rules have come about.

[spainlinx0]

Wow.

[kenbuzz]

I thought it was a cheap shot.

Nice TD Denver.

They're already reporting that Decker will not return. How badly torn-up is his knee for them to know after only 2 plays that he's done? Holey moley!

[Sdallnct]

That Denver O' line is amazing....Tebow could have lunch back there....

[chowderhead]

looks to me that he landed out of bounds?

[spainlinx0]

Looked in to me.

[spainlinx0]

His right knee hit plus the right ass cheek.

[dsa_shea]

Good call on that!

[Preacher]

Oh I hope they beat the Steelers.
Go Tebow!

[aktick]

:banana:

[dsa_shea]

Tebow is showing a lot of confidence now.

[Preacher]

Tebowtiful. :lol:

[Sdallnct]

Lord Tebow!!! (and maybe literally). Ha!!

Wow! Tebow looks so pumped...like he is a rocker or something...go Tebow!! Love me some Denver!!

And now the Orange Crush starts getting pressure....

And now and INT by Big Ben...ha!!!

[sven]

Ryan Mundy plays for the Steelers D? No wonder Tebow is having success down the field. That dudes nick name at Michigan was Toast because he was always getting burnt.

[LorenzoL]

I wasn't expecting this...

[cwwallace]

This Tebow guy is fun to watch. Who is he again?

[Dr_Evil]

Ryan Mundy plays for the Steelers D? No wonder Tebow is having success down the field. That dudes nick name at Michigan was Toast because he was always getting burnt.

He normally doesn't start. He's only in because of Clark's medical condition.

[Preacher]

Hey, Dick Lebeau. Meet Tim Tebow. And Dick? You're being Tebowed.

[spainlinx0]

I'm loving this. Tarantino has to be regretting his post game promise now.

[dsa_shea]

Tebow down when you come to his town! He ain't no hater like you. He only prays to an authority that is greater than you.

[The Cow]

I'm loving this. Tarantino has to be regretting his post game promise now.
Nah, he'd post that picture even if there wasn't a game.

[aktick]

Ben's done soon.

Harrison. :lol:

[BigDaddy]

:lol:

[chowderhead]

jebus.

[dsa_shea]

Ugly stick is showing its head.

[Preacher]

Yes, it's gonna be a slaughter. For Denver. :lol:


Pick.

[Deftones]

Pretty much. :lol:

[LorenzoL]

Another chance for Tebow.

[cwwallace]

Man oh man. New Englanders must be loving this turn of events.

[dsa_shea]

No surprise there.

[dsa_shea]

Pissyburgh is starting to show their ass.

[Preacher]

man oh man. New englanders must be loving this turn of events.

they need to learn to fear the tebow.

[Dr_Evil]

Can't believe Harrison didn't stop in that millisecond between when tebow threw it and when he hit him

[aktick]

Man oh man. New Englanders must be loving this turn of events.

Yeah that's the one downside to Denver winning...but I don't think Pittsburgh had much of a chance to beat NE anyways.

[spainlinx0]

He didn't attempt to slow up, and he extended his arms for the extra force. I'm not saying I like the rule, but he knows it.

[aktick]

Can't believe Harrison didn't stop in that millisecond between when tebow threw it and when he hit him

I think that's called a "reputation penalty." ;)

[Sdallnct]

Can't believe Harrison didn't stop in that millisecond between when tebow threw it and when he hit him

As much as I'm for Denver and like watching Tebow I was kind of thinking the same thing. But he did have time to pull up and not hit him to the ground.

But I do think it tough on the Defense with a QB like Tebow....he is as much a running back as a QB. So you got to hit him or he will take off.

Overall, not the worse call I've seen. Again, had he just wrapped him up and held him up he probably would not have gotten the call. But knocking him to the ground a good couple steps after the ball was gone is going to get that call every time.

[Preacher]

Pick!


Fuck. Flag.