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GatorDeb
11-15-11, 10:00 PM
I honestly didn't think I was going to like it as much as I do. It has replaced the iPad 2 . I LOVE the form factor and it's big enough. Easy to use. No case so far. Hulu and Netflix work great (sort by Release Date to find Netflix). Have to try out Prime and browsing. But so far this is the best tablet. Reading is great. That's the thing with Amazon, they do things right. They were the last ones with library lending but do it the easiest (using Abobe was clunky and slow).

fumanstan
11-15-11, 10:03 PM
Yeah, I guess it's a good idea to start it's own thread.

I posted a bunch of my impressions in the other thread. So far i'm really happy with it, moreso then I was with my hacked together Viewsonic GTablet running Honeycomb.

I'm looking for a good case too, the reviews for the ones on Amazon's site aren't particularly good. If anyone has a good suggestion, please share!

TheBigDave
11-15-11, 10:16 PM
I've been a big fan of the M-Edge Latitude cases for Kindle.

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http://www.medgestore.com/products/kindletab1/

They have a 20% Off coupon for Twitter/Facebook users. Shipping is free and arrives in about a week. You can also buy them at Amazon.

http://app.medgestore.com/promos/paystoshare/

Groucho
11-15-11, 10:47 PM
I'm shocked, SHOCKED that the OP bought the latest trendy gadget on day 1.

Okay, not really. Just shocked that you only bought ONE.

GatorDeb
11-15-11, 10:55 PM
Eh, froze already. if anyone else has the same issue, hold power button 20 secs to turn off and then again to turn on. Trying to figure out which book to get from free from Prime.

X
11-15-11, 11:18 PM
I'm shocked, SHOCKED that the OP bought the latest trendy gadget on day 1.

Okay, not really. Just shocked that you only bought ONE.:lol:

What are you supposed to do with this thing, just read stuff, maybe watch some movies?

GatorDeb
11-15-11, 11:21 PM
Books: Buy, of course, but as a member of Prime you get a huge selection of current bestsellers and you get one free read a month (may not seem like much but if you just get Prime for this it's $6.59 a book, a great deal for current reads). And borrow from your current library. If you select to just see available titles there's a lot of good stuff to choose from. Reading Lance Armstrong's War now.

Movies: Huge selection of movies and TV.

Music: Access anything you bought from Amazon recently that's on your cloud.

Hulu, Netflix.

Any Android app in the Amazon bookstore. Ereaders, games, applications, Facebook, etc.

One free app a day.

Web browsing, e-mail, navigation.

It's a tablet.

GatorDeb
11-15-11, 11:40 PM
Blond moment: Looking for the Nook app in the Fire app store :lol: Eh, the iPad has it and Apple sells books. The Fire should have it also.

The Cow
11-15-11, 11:45 PM
If you already have an iPad2, why would you buy this?

Edit: It doesn't even support the Chipotle app.

GatorDeb
11-15-11, 11:48 PM
Form factor is a lot better. This is coming with me to a two-week trip to Israel, the iPad is staying home. This fits in my purse. Now I just need a case ....

Oh, and I've wanted an Android tablet ever since they came out, I just never bit because I was waiting for the right one.

TheBigDave
11-16-11, 12:00 AM
If this is your first time using Amazon Instant Video, check your credit balance. Amazon has been adding credit for recent Blu/DVD purchases. I'm up to $28 in credit right now.

If you've bought any New Release Blus or DVDs lately, you might have some VOD credit. I had $15 credit for VOD and I didn't even know it.

Check your balance by going to any VOD title page. At the bottom of the black box it says:

"Have a promotion code? Redeem a gift card or promotion code. View Balance"

Click on the View Balance link.

Here's the thread for Amazon Prime Instant Video:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/store-forum/595954-amazon-prime-instant-video-news-updates.html

kefrank
11-16-11, 12:08 AM
Blond moment: Looking for the Nook app in the Fire app store :lol: Eh, the iPad has it and Apple sells books. The Fire should have it also.
Download Easy Installer from the app store and then sideload the Nook app. One of the reviews I read tried this and apparently it works, with some limitations.

X
11-16-11, 12:11 AM
Books: Buy, of course, but as a member of Prime you get a huge selection of current bestsellers and you get one free read a month (may not seem like much but if you just get Prime for this it's $6.59 a book, a great deal for current reads). And borrow from your current library. If you select to just see available titles there's a lot of good stuff to choose from. Reading Lance Armstrong's War now.

Movies: Huge selection of movies and TV.

Music: Access anything you bought from Amazon recently that's on your cloud.

Hulu, Netflix.

Any Android app in the Amazon bookstore. Ereaders, games, applications, Facebook, etc.

One free app a day.

Web browsing, e-mail, navigation.

It's a tablet.I think my netbook does all that. Not sure about reading books on it, but I'm not much for reading books on a computer. I do wish I had that when I went to school though. That's assuming they put textbooks on it.

fumanstan
11-16-11, 12:14 AM
I like my netbook (the same Acer you have from the Ultrabook discussion thread) and I bought a Fire. I like it for slightly more portable media needs, and particularly for reading books and comic books. Looking forward to giving it a shot on an airplane during Thanksgiving.

I'm trying to sideload a new media player and Android Comic Viewer now to give me some more media options.

GatorDeb
11-16-11, 12:17 AM
How do you sideload the app?

And it does have textbooks and some you can even rent. There was an expensive book on video games and I rented it and read it for $7 :)

fujishig
11-16-11, 12:33 AM
After playing with it for a few hours, I don't see how it replaces an ipad. It is a great tablet at a decent relative price to the ipad. But at least right now, its hard to get used to the smaller screen real estate. Both web pages and comical don't fit quite as well as they do on an ipad. For instance I cant see the sides of this textbox as i type. It also.seems heavier than my ipad 1, though that may just be because it's more compact.

I am a bit biased, though, because I have a ton of apps on my ipad that I'm not about to buy again.

kefrank
11-16-11, 12:36 AM
How do you sideload the app?
Here's one way. (http://mashable.com/2011/11/14/kindle-fire-runs-nook-app/)

You can also get the .apk file off of your android phone and get it onto the Fire (there are a number of ways to do this) and then install it with Easy Installer.

kefrank
11-16-11, 12:40 AM
After playing with it for a few hours, I don't see how it replaces an ipad. It is a great tablet at a decent relative price to the ipad. But at least right now, its hard to get used to the smaller screen real estate. Both web pages and comical don't fit quite as well as they do on an ipad. For instance I cant see the sides of this textbox as i type. It also.seems heavier than my ipad 1, though that may just be because it's more compact.

I am a bit biased, though, because I have a ton of apps on my ipad that I'm not about to buy again.
I don't think anyone, including Amazon, really believes that it's an iPad replacement. It is an alternative however, for people that want a tablet for media and casual browsing, but don't need the fully-featured capabilities of the iPad.

And yeah, your mind is playing tricks on you. The iPad 1 weights 1.5 lbs. The Fire weighs less than a pound (14.6 oz).

fujishig
11-16-11, 12:54 AM
I don't think anyone, including Amazon, really believes that it's an iPad replacement. It is an alternative however, for people that want a tablet for media and casual browsing, but don't need the fully-featured capabilities of the iPad.

And yeah, your mind is playing tricks on you. The iPad 1 weights 1.5 lbs. The Fire weighs less than a pound (14.6 oz).

I was just trying to temper the expectations created by the OP. :)

kefrank
11-16-11, 12:56 AM
I was just trying to temper the expectations created by the OP. :)
Ha! Fair enough. :)

fujishig
11-16-11, 02:18 AM
I really need to read up on this stuff before I buy it. So I had thought that you could upload personal stuff to the amazo cloud and then download to the fire similar to how you can move things over via Usb, but I guess this isn't possible?

wmansir
11-16-11, 02:26 AM
You can do that, but you only get 5GB free. You can get more storage but at $1 per GB per year. Amazon content doesn't count against your limit.

fumanstan
11-16-11, 02:42 AM
You can download music via the Cloud Player, but I don't think you can download other docs that you upload. A search on Google seems like other people have the same question, and I can't figure out how to do it either.

http://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle/ref=cm_cd_ttp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1D7SY3BVSESG&cdThread=Tx2P7OJB9HWFGK6

fujishig
11-16-11, 03:34 AM
Right I think you can only stream music. All your other personal stuff you upload is basically unrecognizable by the fire (or is so deeply buried that I can't figure it out). So why would you need more cloud storage, if you can really only use amazon purchased products and they don't count against the cap anyway?

The only reason I tried it was because they didn't supply a USB cord. :)

TGM
11-16-11, 05:52 AM
anyone have more concrete specs on Amazon's second tablet device possibily due Q1 2012?

kefrank
11-16-11, 09:52 AM
Right I think you can only stream music. All your other personal stuff you upload is basically unrecognizable by the fire (or is so deeply buried that I can't figure it out).
It really seems like you ought to be able to upload documents that are natively readable by the Fire to the Docs folder of your cloud drive and have them show up automatically under Docs on the Fire. This seems like a mis-step by Amazon that hopefully they can correct in a software update.

So why would you need more cloud storage, if you can really only use amazon purchased products and they don't count against the cap anyway?
For the same reasons you would need more on Dropbox or any other cloud storage. The cloud drive has been around awhile and is intended to serve purposes beyond just Fire owners. At a minimum, many people have more than 5GB of music and would want to upload it so that it's available via the Cloud Player on all their devices.

The only reason I tried it was because they didn't supply a USB cord. :)
For what it's worth, you still don't need a USB cord to get your documents onto the Fire as long as they are in a natively-readable format. Like all Kindles, you can e-mail them to your Kindle-specific e-mail address (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_k4land_trans_pdocs?nodeId=200728710#pdocs) and they will show up on the device. This is certainly less elegant than seamless Cloud Drive integration would be though.

fumanstan
11-16-11, 10:25 AM
Yeah, hopefully Amazon changes that up with a Cloud Drive app or something so you can download anything you want from it.

Meanwhile, the Fire has been rooted.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/16/kindle-fire-gets-rooted-with-one-click-paves-the-way-for-amaz/

GatorDeb
11-16-11, 04:37 PM
Awesomeness, got an alternate web browser that didn't redirect me to the full version of m.getjar.com, got GetJar, got Nook running. I prefer getting my magazines through Book because they work on my cell too and they don't through the Kindle. Same price in both sites. Now getting a share app through GetJar that does Dropbox amont others. Time to root, just cause I can!!
I'd say this is the best tablet in the market today.

Cardiff Giant11
11-16-11, 08:26 PM
Ok looking for some (hopefully) unbiased input. My girlfriend has expressed interest in an ereader. I specifically asked her if she was interested in a more tablet like device (either the Fire, Nook Color, Nook Tablet) and she said probably not because she already has an iPhone 4 and a Laptop and the ereader would be handy at the beach. However, she does seem to enjoy my HP Touchpad that I got in the fire sale if for no other reason than playing angry birds on the big screen is fun ;)

In terms of reading experience, I'm more impressed with the Nook ereaders than I am the Kindle. Same goes for the Nook tablets, but I think Amazon having their ecosystem is huge if you're getting a tablet like device.

Any thoughts? Just looking for some input at this stage not really making a decision one way or another until Christmas comes closer. We will hopefully be moving in together in the not too distant future depending on how quickly I'm able to sell my house so that may also play into whether it makes sense to have two tablets or not ;)

TGM
11-16-11, 08:37 PM
Sounds like she'd best be served with something with standard e-ink.

Tarantino
11-16-11, 08:47 PM
I'd say this is the best tablet in the market today.

It's definitely not the best tablet on the market. It's a very nice, affordable tablet, but nowhere near the best. No bluetooth, no front facing camera, small screen...it's missing a lot of things other tablets have, but it's cheap and it's pretty nice.

Nowhere near the best.

wmansir
11-16-11, 10:14 PM
Ok looking for some (hopefully) unbiased input. My girlfriend has expressed interest in an ereader. I specifically asked her if she was interested in a more tablet like device (either the Fire, Nook Color, Nook Tablet) and she said probably not because she already has an iPhone 4 and a Laptop and the ereader would be handy at the beach. However, she does seem to enjoy my HP Touchpad that I got in the fire sale if for no other reason than playing angry birds on the big screen is fun ;)

In terms of reading experience, I'm more impressed with the Nook ereaders than I am the Kindle. Same goes for the Nook tablets, but I think Amazon having their ecosystem is huge if you're getting a tablet like device.

Any thoughts? Just looking for some input at this stage not really making a decision one way or another until Christmas comes closer. We will hopefully be moving in together in the not too distant future depending on how quickly I'm able to sell my house so that may also play into whether it makes sense to have two tablets or not ;)

You might want to consider the Kindle3 or $79 Kindle4. With those you don't get touch but you can get a water (and sand) proof case for the beach, pool, tub, etc. They don't work with the infrared touch tech that the latest touch devices use.

Check out http://www.the-ebook-reader.com/ for some good written and video reviews.

fumanstan
11-16-11, 10:46 PM
I saw the M-Edge Incline Jacket at Best Buy, and it looked really nice. Only available in red though, which sucks since I have no interest in a red case. Black doesn't seem available on their website either :(

Target had Fire's in stock, but zero accessories. Sadness.

Decadance
11-17-11, 01:28 AM
I'd say this is the best tablet in the market today.

It is the best tablet for people who don't know how to use technology, which is why my wife now owns one. I will still be using my Asus EEEpad Transformer as, well, it is much better.

fumanstan
11-17-11, 02:57 AM
Everyone values different things, so depending on what a person is looking for and wants, I could see how it could be viewed as the best out there.

I gave the 3 month trial of Wired magazine a try. I know reviews gave magazines a tough time, but I think it looks wonderful. That or Wired just did it right. Text is easy to read, and there's no real lag scrolling around or flipping pages. I'm impressed. I imagine there are other magazines that aren't as optimized, but if more are like this it'll make me actually subscribe and pay money.

kefrank
11-17-11, 09:28 AM
I gave the 3 month trial of Wired magazine a try. I know reviews gave magazines a tough time, but I think it looks wonderful. That or Wired just did it right. Text is easy to read, and there's no real lag scrolling around or flipping pages. I'm impressed. I imagine there are other magazines that aren't as optimized, but if more are like this it'll make me actually subscribe and pay money.
Thanks for this report. Wired is one of the magazines that I'd consider reading on the Fire, so I'm glad to hear it's a good experience.

Have any of you that already have the Fire tried an alternate browser like Dolphin to see if it's any smoother/faster than Silk?

al_bundy
11-17-11, 09:45 AM
the reason why Silk is supposed to be fast is because a lot of websites are run from Amazon's cloud service so with Silk Amazon just does some caching in their systems. with another browser you have to go via the internet

GatorDeb
11-17-11, 10:07 AM
How do you get three free months of Wired?

kefrank
11-17-11, 11:05 AM
the reason why Silk is supposed to be fast is because a lot of websites are run from Amazon's cloud service so with Silk Amazon just does some caching in their systems. with another browser you have to go via the internet
I think we all understand why Silk is supposed to be faster, but by all accounts, it's slower to load sites (even Amazon.com) than other tablets. Just curious if there's something inherent to the browser software behind this or if perhaps it's just a crappy WLAN module in the Fire.

I also wondered if the choppy scrolling was isolated to the Silk browser or if that's exhibited with other browsers on the Fire as well.

fumanstan
11-17-11, 11:09 AM
How do you get three free months of Wired?

There's a big ad for a bunch of magazines in the Newstand.

fumanstan
11-17-11, 11:22 AM
Apparently people have gotten Google Apps and the normal Android market working now.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/17/amazon-releases-kindle-fire-source-code-devs-figure-out-how-to/

kefrank
11-17-11, 11:31 AM
Here's a pretty interesting test of the Silk browser at ExtremeTech (http://www.extremetech.com/computing/105585-kindle-fire-silk-browser-benchmarked-its-slow) that tests it with cloud acceleration both on and off against a few other Android tablets and phones.

Their results, for the lazy, are basically:
-- Javascript processing does not appear to be appreciably better with cloud acceleration on, but the performance either way is decent.
-- Page loads are consistently slower with cloud acceleration on, particularly on media-heavy sites. While this may improve as Silk gets "smarter" at cacheing, the extra server hop appears to be a detriment right now.

fujishig
11-17-11, 12:05 PM
Just bought a cheap case from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Elsse-Premium-Folio-Kindle-Cover/dp/B005UTNHCY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1321549374&sr=8-5

They also have a leather one:

http://www.amazon.com/Bear-Motion-Premium-Genuine-Leather/dp/B005U7O0YU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321549401&sr=8-1

But the first one I posted looks exactly the same (apparently imitation leather), is slightly cheaper, and has Prime shipping (five bucks difference, and all Fire owners have free Prime for this month). Case is getting decent reviews, but even if it stinks I'm willing to shell out 10 bucks instead of 30 to try it out.

whotony
11-17-11, 06:47 PM
first one oos stock, second one adds $5 for shipping. Still under $20.

whotony
11-17-11, 06:50 PM
How do you get three free months of Wired?
Be careful with that. from what i could tell in reading the info, you need to cancel or it will auto charge afetr the free three months.

fumanstan
11-17-11, 07:56 PM
Be careful with that. from what i could tell in reading the info, you need to cancel or it will auto charge afetr the free three months.

Yeah, they tell you straight up that's the case. You can pretty much assume that's always the case for these trial offers.

Sdallnct
11-17-11, 08:00 PM
Thoughts for one for a college student for mainly textbooks?

I know any e-reader would work. But I thought have email, net surfing and such would be a nice bonus.

RichC2
11-18-11, 12:00 AM
Thoughts for one for a college student for mainly textbooks?

I know any e-reader would work. But I thought have email, net surfing and such would be a nice bonus.

Text books = get a full size tablet

Michael Corvin
11-18-11, 08:04 AM
I'm not in school, but I've wondered about textbooks integration since the first iPad. Having all your books on one small device would rock.

Dan
11-19-11, 01:01 PM
So, I finally cracked open the box of my Kindle Fire yesterday. Yes, the packaging is cheap, but that didn't bother me in the slightest.

I was unable to register the device at first. At first, I thought I was entering my password wrong. Then I thought it could be because I was on a hotel's wifi (I had to log in and accept the hotel's terms). Then... it still wouldn't register. I was stumped.

Turns out, my Kindle Fire was shipped with the version 6.0 software, and a 6.1 update was already available. BUT, since it wasn't pre-registered (I didn't buy it from Amazon directly), it didn't know there was an update, and it couldn't register itself. Very frustrating! Luckily, Amazon knows about the issue and has a page set up where you can manually download the 6.1 software and install it. After I did that (and a very long reboot that made me start to worry), it registered without a hitch.

Setup after that was a breeze. All of my books were already available for download. I managed to work around the "Canadians can't use Amazon Cloud Player, Amazon MP3, and Amazon Instant Video" issue, so I was able to test all those out (and they're pretty great). Even further, I got a free month of Amazon Prime. I remember that being rumored, but wasn't sure if it was true. It is. :up:

The first thing I tried to do after setup was side-load Spotify onto the Kindle Fire. It worked, but the app is useless on the device. The baked-in bar at the bottom of the screen covers the Spotify controls (Pause, Skip, etc.) so once you have a song playing, the only way to make it stop is to close the app. Oh well... I'm hoping Spotify fixes that eventually... but their android support is bad enough already.

Adding your own documents works, but folders don't seem to be supported. I added a handful of PDF files into a "PDF Files" folder (inside the default Documents folder), but the Kindle Fire would not see them. As soon as I moved them to the main Documents folder, they appeared.

If you want to play non-Amazon videos, I suggest side-loading VLC-neon.apk. It works pretty well. It force-closed on me once during an "It's Always Sunny" episode, though.

Overall, I'm actually pretty happy with the Kindle Fire. Web browsing with Amazon Silk is pretty great (DVDTalk loads slowly... but... well, you know.) for the most part. A few pages seemed to hang for no reason at all and I had to refresh.

Wifi was a bit spotty for me, but I think that was a hotel problem, not a Kindle Fire problem. We'll see how it goes when I'm home.

edit: I hate the power button. It should have been a slider just like the previous-gen Kindle 3.

whotony
11-19-11, 01:15 PM
Sideloaded?

Does this mean you hacked the Fire and you're adding things that aren't available otherwise?

Dan
11-19-11, 01:24 PM
No, not hacked. In the settings menu on the Kindle Fire, you can choose to "Allow Installation of Applications from unknown sources." Once that's done, you can manually download the APK files onto the Fire to install them. Not every app will install, but some do, and of those that do, some don't function properly since they're not optimized for the Fire.

Everything in the Amazon Appstore should work, though.

fumanstan
11-19-11, 04:33 PM
Even further, I got a free month of Amazon Prime. I remember that being rumored, but wasn't sure if it was true. It is. :up:

Surprised you thought that was a rumor, I thought that was well known when it was announced and it was plastered all over the product page.

Michael T Hudson
11-19-11, 05:12 PM
Checked out a demo at Best Buy today and I was pretty impressed. Has the power button location been an issue for anyone?

Dan
11-19-11, 11:04 PM
It's not the placement of the button, it's the type. All previous Kindles (to my knowledge) had a slider power button. The new line of Kindles (keyboardless, touch, and fire) all have a simple power button that's just a little too easy to press by accident.

fumanstan
11-19-11, 11:28 PM
The power button hasn't really affected me, but I can definitely see how it could bother people depending on how you hold the Fire or where you rest it.

I'm still hunting for cases. I tried Best Buy's Rocketfish version and didn't really care for the material and the colorful straps. It also felt a bit bigger and thicker then I really want.

The Belkin Verve Tab Folio looks nice and I have that coming from Amazon, although it's just a cover and not much else. They're at Target now too. I like the look of it though, and i'm not sure on a tablet this small I need the stand type cover. They have the Verve Folio Stand out there too, but it's $40. I don't really want to pay almost 1/4 of the price for a case as it is the actual Fire :lol:

Michael T Hudson
11-20-11, 10:58 AM
The power button hasn't really affected me, but I can definitely see how it could bother people depending on how you hold the Fire or where you rest it.

I'm still hunting for cases. I tried Best Buy's Rocketfish version and didn't really care for the material and the colorful straps. It also felt a bit bigger and thicker then I really want.

The Belkin Verve Tab Folio looks nice and I have that coming from Amazon, although it's just a cover and not much else. They're at Target now too. I like the look of it though, and i'm not sure on a tablet this small I need the stand type cover. They have the Verve Folio Stand out there too, but it's $40. I don't really want to pay almost 1/4 of the price for a case as it is the actual Fire :lol:



Tell me about it. I have a kindle wifi I got last Christmas from a guy off Craigslist for 100 bucks then my wife got me the amazon kindle leather care with the light for 60 bucks. :lol:

edstein
11-20-11, 11:12 AM
I'm thinking about getting a Nook Tablet for a relative for Christmas. I've looked at the fire and was wondering why you guys chose the fire over the Nook Tablet. If its the music and video service from amazon I can see it but from an e-reader standpoint the NT seems like a better choice for a non techie person.

Dan
11-20-11, 11:28 AM
Personally, I chose the Fire over the Nook because Amazon is less likely to go out of business than B&N.

fumanstan
11-20-11, 11:28 AM
My primary reason is that i'm already an Amazon Prime subscriber so having the free video streaming and the Kindle Lending Library was a huge plus. I was a subscriber well before they added all these freebies, so it's a huge bonus for me since I don't subscribe to Hulu or Netflix. I'm also already a big user of Amazon's services, and have the Amazon Credit Card as well so that helps me earn more points :)

I also have an existing an Android phone, i've picked up a ton of free apps on the Amazon App Store already. Not having to spend a few more bucks on apps I already picked up was nice too (although I heard people were able to get the Amazon App Store on the Nook Tablet :(). I don't really plan on rooting or doing any major custom ROM's or hacks on this thing, so being pure Amazon was good enough for me.

I definitely think if I wasn't already heavily invested in Amazon's services I would have gotten the Nook Tablet instead.

shadowhawk2020
11-20-11, 12:23 PM
The only real downside to the Nook is they only allow 1gb for non B&N storage....

edstein
11-20-11, 03:10 PM
The only real downside to the Nook is they only allow 1gb for non B&N storage....

That's only for the on board memory i thought. The NT has a microSD slot that excepts 32gb. Can't that be used for music and or video?

fumanstan
11-20-11, 03:41 PM
Yeah, the SD card isn't limited.

Michael Corvin
11-20-11, 10:00 PM
Still on the fence. Played with both at Best Buy tonight. Seems shady/shitty that the Kindle Fire demo unit won't let you test the browser. You click on the browser button and it brings up a generic site and then runs a video over top of it. Weak ass.

The Nook Tablet seemed to run a whole lot smoother than the N.Color, especially browsing the web. Honestly I'm leaning toward the Nook, it just seems like a better product(as it should given it's 2nd gen hardware), but with Prime and Amazon discounts, I still can't rule out the Fire. Argh!

kefrank
11-21-11, 01:09 AM
Still on the fence. Played with both at Best Buy tonight. Seems shady/shitty that the Kindle Fire demo unit won't let you test the browser. You click on the browser button and it brings up a generic site and then runs a video over top of it. Weak ass.
Agreed. I played with one at Target and was extremely annoyed that the browser was locked out. That was the thing I wanted most to try out. I did experience some of the clunkiness of the UI, but nothing that put me off terribly. I'm still on the fence though. I'd most likely use it primarily for web browsing and the reports so far on Silk are not getting me excited.

fumanstan
11-21-11, 01:34 AM
DC comics are available now, I just had Superman Earth One pushed to my Fire. Never read it before, and decided to spend $10 on a whim to try it out. Pretty cool, I like reading by panel when I need to.

edstein
11-21-11, 01:36 AM
The amazon cloud player works on my iPad. It should work on the Nook browser as well right? I played a couple of games on th fire and it seemed a little choppy. Maybe it was just the game I tried on a demo unit.

Josh-da-man
11-21-11, 03:19 AM
I tried out a Fire at Best Buy the other day, too.

Really unimpressed by it. I knew it was going to be smaller than the iPad, but that screen is fucking tiny.

I don't know why Amazon feels the need to "cripple" the demo unit. When you pick up the goddamned thing and can't do anything on it, it doesn't exactly make me want to purchase one.

Michael Corvin
11-21-11, 08:33 AM
I don't know why Amazon feels the need to "cripple" the demo unit. When you pick up the goddamned thing and can't do anything on it, it doesn't exactly make me want to purchase one.

Exactly how I felt walking away from it. It's like they are trying to push people to buy the Nook. :lol:

sracer
11-21-11, 02:33 PM
Still on the fence. Played with both at Best Buy tonight. Seems shady/shitty that the Kindle Fire demo unit won't let you test the browser. You click on the browser button and it brings up a generic site and then runs a video over top of it. Weak ass.

The Nook Tablet seemed to run a whole lot smoother than the N.Color, especially browsing the web. Honestly I'm leaning toward the Nook, it just seems like a better product(as it should given it's 2nd gen hardware), but with Prime and Amazon discounts, I still can't rule out the Fire. Argh!
I just picked up a Kindle Fire (to add to a growing stable of tablets that I need to thin out). I'm very impressed with the out-of-the-box flexibility.

It is the best budget Android tablet that I've owned so far. My rooted nook color would be a close second. I'm recommending the Fire over the nook color for non-techies who want a comprehensive ecosystem on a budget.

My iPad2 is my main tablet, but the Fire has replaced the rooted nook color as my 7" tablet.

kefrank
11-21-11, 05:52 PM
Really unimpressed by it. I knew it was going to be smaller than the iPad, but that screen is fucking tiny.
I think this is entirely a preference thing. Some people can't stand anything less than 10 inches while others prefer the portability and lesser weight that comes with the 7" form factor. I think a lot of has to do with the main use cases people have for a tablet and tolerance of small text (which understandably varies pretty significantly from person to person).

I don't know why Amazon feels the need to "cripple" the demo unit. When you pick up the goddamned thing and can't do anything on it, it doesn't exactly make me want to purchase one.
I agree it's ridiculous. In fairness, some of the things I wanted to check out were possible on the demo unit, such as reading magazines and kindle books, experiencing the UI dynamically, etc. But the Silk browser is one of the most prominently marketed features of the Kindle Fire and web browsing is one the top uses for a tablet, so it's beyond absurd that you can't try it out on the demo units.

I demoed a Kindle Touch at Target too and you truly can't do anything on that. It's running a static demo that just steps through screens when you perform the specified touch action. Disappointing.

Michael T Hudson
11-21-11, 07:17 PM
I asked the guy at a small best buy store in the mall about the browser thing and he said he gets the question all day. I think it is a mistake locking down the browser.

Dan
11-21-11, 08:45 PM
I think this is entirely a preference thing. Some people can't stand anything less than 10 inches while others prefer the portability and lesser weight that comes with the 7" form factor. I think a lot of has to do with the main use cases people have for a tablet and tolerance of small text (which understandably varies pretty significantly from person to person).
I think your last point here is spot on. I'm more tolerant of small text than other people I know. That said, I find web pages on the Fire are best viewed in landscape mode. In portrait mode, the text is just a bit too small, and I don't like to zoom in and out to fix that.


I agree it's ridiculous. In fairness, some of the things I wanted to check out were possible on the demo unit, such as reading magazines and kindle books, experiencing the UI dynamically, etc. But the Silk browser is one of the most prominently marketed features of the Kindle Fire and web browsing is one the top uses for a tablet, so it's beyond absurd that you can't try it out on the demo units.

I demoed a Kindle Touch at Target too and you truly can't do anything on that. It's running a static demo that just steps through screens when you perform the specified touch action. Disappointing.
The demo unit is definitely limited. It makes the thing a harder sell.

I watched a couple movies on the thing. Again, I think it's the perfect size for plane rides, especially. iPads just seem way too big, especially when watching a 2.35:1 film like Hanna (which I LOVED, by the way), where 50% of the screen is unused unless you zoom it in.

Typing on the Fire isn't bad, but it isn't great either. I'm writing this on it right now, actually.

fumanstan
11-21-11, 09:14 PM
Yeah, the small text thing will definitely vary, especially if you're used to a certain resolution on your computers. For instance I just moved to a 27" monitor that's 2560x1440, and the text and windows are significantly smaller then my old 22" at 1680x1050. I'm getting used to it, but it's jarring at first.

solipsta
11-21-11, 11:08 PM
Does anyone use their Fire for appointments in a calendar? If so, what's it like?

fumanstan
11-22-11, 12:32 AM
Some additional testing on Silk showing that Amazon's caching is a bit slower :(

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5139/amazons-silk-browser-tested-less-bandwidth-consumed-but-slower-performance

kefrank
11-22-11, 09:22 AM
Some additional testing on Silk showing that Amazon's caching is a bit slower :(

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5139/amazons-silk-browser-tested-less-bandwidth-consumed-but-slower-performance
Thanks, that was an interesting read. I agree with the conclusion - surely Amazon did real-world testing with the Silk browser. Frankly, I'm a little surprised that they made such a big deal about it at the launch event and on the Fire's Amazon page if they knew this was the kind of performance you get with cloud acceleration. They had to know the tech blogs would do rigorous testing on it and for the moment, it looks like a marketing gaffe at best and a front for mining tons of data at worst.

Hiro11
11-22-11, 11:18 AM
I've had it since launch day. People saying that this isn't a tablet and more of an enhanced e-reader are missing the point a bit, IMO. It is in fact a full tablet. As such, comparison to the benchmark iPad is valid even though it's not really fair. That's my opinion at least.

My feedback:

Good:
- Registration and setup was flawless and quick
- Cloud/streaming bias to apps and storage is forward looking and a bias I happen to share. The paltry 8Gb of storage isn't a problem for me for this reason, it might be for you.
- Tightly constructed, feels like quality. Gorilla glass and grippy rubber.
- Good display, better pixel density than the iPad with an aspect ratio perfect for reading and watching movies
- Terrific value. $200 is a really good deal for what you're getting here
- Most of the first party apps work great, particularly Prime video
- Shopping Amazon is really, really easy. Scary in fact.
- Emailing docs or books to the kindle.com address and having them instantly show up on the device is a cool, useful feature
- Good graphics capability, it's pretty amazing what this $200 device can do
- Most third party apps work well (more later)
- Does everything a basic tablet should
- Nice Prime bonuses - good video selection, lending library etc.
- Nice browser interface. Also, Silk works very quickly, despite what you may have read. May be getting optimized now that there are more people using it...
- Comic books and childrens books look great.

Mixed bag:
- Tightly tied to Amazon's ecosystem. The good part is that these services are pretty good, the bad part is that if you're not interested (Amazon Music for me, for example), they're going to be omnipresent no matter what. Also, don't get this device unless you have a Prime membership. Period.
- Amazon app store: less crapware than the regular Android market, but some key things (for me) aren't available. Yet.
- Kindle app works pretty well and the docs handling (as I said before) is great, but it's still not as good an e-reader as the regular e-ink Kindle. A bit too heavy, backlighting is just not as good as e-ink and the scrolling is a bit slow.

The bad:
- Somewhat unstable. I've had the device crash several times. The browser has crashed several times. This is not constant and could definitely be far worse. It works great 95% of the time, but the entire thing just feels a bit beta.
- Touch recognition can be a bit unpredictable. Triple-taps are somewhat common, confirmation of a tap is inconsistent. The carousel isn't great: too senstive and somewhat hard to select what you're trying to select.
- Scrolling is very un-smooth throughout the device. This is nowhere near iPad smoothness. Apple cheats a bit here and there to acheive the smoothness (non-rendering of web pages etc), but the fact remains that the (2.5X as expensive) iPad is worlds better in this regard.
- The Newsstand interface is just pdfs supplimented with Kindle-ized articles. No video content, no commentary, no enhanced features etc. Weak.
- No first party Google apps. Gmail and Maps are particularly missed.
- Netflix does not work at all on the Fire. Audio lag, terrible scrolling, crashes, interface issues (no volume, ever-present bar across bottom), etc. This is a major disappointent for me. Fix the app.
- Dead Space doesn't work at all, crashes on launch

Overall: good first effort, good hardware but needs a couple software iterations to fix the touch response and scrolling. Needs a few more apps and desperately needs to fix Netflix. The good easily outweighs the bad, I'm happy with the device.

Michael Corvin
11-22-11, 12:30 PM
Thanks for the write up Hiro.

kefrank
11-22-11, 12:54 PM
Appreciate the detailed review Hiro.

I think a lot of the media reviews have been bogged down by their focus on all the imperfections of the Fire. What has gotten lost and what your write-up highlights is just how capable the Fire is at the $200 price point. It's a pretty impressive value when you consider the package that the Fire offers with the package other tablets in that price range have offered.

I could probably change my mind, but I think I'm holding off on buying any tablet until the first half of next year. It sounds like the sweet spot for tablet size might be in the 8.9 inch models that we will hopefully see more of in the coming months and tablets running Ice Cream Sandwich are bound to start popping up. The Fire software will also probably get improvements and updates that I'll be following pretty closely.

fujishig
11-22-11, 06:15 PM
DC comics are available now, I just had Superman Earth One pushed to my Fire. Never read it before, and decided to spend $10 on a whim to try it out. Pretty cool, I like reading by panel when I need to.

I mentioned this in the comic book deals thread, but there are a number of great deals on DC comics. The ceiling for these seem to be 10 bucks, which is a significant discount for most titles (beware of trying to compare prices, though... some of the more recent titles, like the Return of Bruce Wayne, are compared to their hardcover versions).

fumanstan
11-22-11, 09:05 PM
Yeah I had a great time reading through Earth One. Text was a little small in some cases, but overall the experience was pretty good and the price is cheap enough for me to buy more. I decided to pick up All Star Superman for a read as well.

I already own most of the Batman comics they have up there though.

The only thing that sucks is i'm more of a Marvel fan :p

GatorDeb
11-23-11, 04:44 AM
Netflix DOES work on the Fire Hiro and extremely well, it's my main use. You don't even have to sideload. Search on the Amazon app market for Netflix then sort results by release date and there it is.

whotony
11-23-11, 09:46 AM
Netflix was one of the featured apps on the main page when we turned our Fire on. Was there someone saying they couldn't find Netflix(nervous)?

GatorDeb
11-23-11, 09:54 AM
Netflix was one of the featured apps on the main page when we turned our Fire on. Was there someone saying they couldn't find Netflix(nervous)?

You just have to fix the sorting. Read my previous post above yours :)

Dan
11-23-11, 10:55 AM
I also had no problem using Netflix on the Fire. From what I recall, it was pre-installed on the device, but there was an upgrade available in the market. I do hate that the minimized menu bar is still there. Why can't they just hide it like the Amazon Instant Video app does?

whotony
11-23-11, 11:07 AM
You just have to fix the sorting. Read my previous post above yours :)

I read that, and as Something more said it was installed on the Fire so it was right there, so I'm confused. What is the Fire "Hiro"?

whotony
11-23-11, 11:11 AM
Ok now I see. You're responding to Hiro, not the Fire Hiro. Missed a comma there and it made me think you were referring to the "Fire Hiro"

Anyway I thought NF worked fine, what was the issue again?

fumanstan
11-23-11, 11:12 AM
What the heck is a Fire Hiro?

GatorDeb
11-23-11, 11:59 AM
It works on the Fire, Hiro ;)

whotony
11-23-11, 12:19 PM
:d
it works on the fire, hiro ;)

davidh777
11-23-11, 01:28 PM
Can you play Guitar Hiro on the Fire Hiro?

GatorDeb
11-23-11, 02:33 PM
Oh, come on people LOL. The Dvdtalk member Hiro11 posted a review that said that Netflix didn't work. I was telling the Dvdtalk member Hiro11 that Netflix does indeed work on the Fire :p

fumanstan
11-23-11, 02:47 PM
He didn't say that it didn't work, just that he had issues.

Dan
11-23-11, 02:53 PM
- Netflix does not work at all on the Fire. Audio lag, terrible scrolling, crashes, interface issues (no volume, ever-present bar across bottom), etc. This is a major disappointent for me. Fix the app.

;)

fujishig
11-23-11, 07:34 PM
Finally saw a commercial for the Fire, and I'm a little surprised they show someone using it outside of a building, particularly browsing websites. I guess they can argue that she was using nearby wifi or something, but it still gives the wrong impression, I think.

whotony
11-23-11, 07:45 PM
That is a very odd commercial. They have this woman walking down the street and she notices the amazon box on the step and then just walks up and starts using it. Nothing there indicates to me that it was her house a little bit, also they give a pretty good view right up her skirt. Odd commercial.

fumanstan
11-23-11, 08:43 PM
;)

Ooops, for some reason i only caught the description of what was wrong. I haven't heard of others having the same issues, so that's weird.

GatorDeb
11-26-11, 01:09 PM
Leaving for Israel a week from Tuesday and need a case NOW. My iPad 2 has a case where you slip the iPad in and it has the screen covered without having to use a screen protector. Any good cases like this for the Fire?

trespoochies
11-26-11, 09:15 PM
Leaving for Israel a week from Tuesday and need a case NOW. My iPad 2 has a case where you slip the iPad in and it has the screen covered without having to use a screen protector. Any good cases like this for the Fire?

I saw some cases for the Kindle today at Dillards of all places. In fact, they even said they were TSA approved. Maybe try there? Or Best Buy perhaps, although I didn't see any recently.

GatorDeb
11-27-11, 01:31 AM
Well, I have Prime, so I can order, up to Thursday and be OK with Amazon. But how to tell if those Amazon cases have a screen covering or not?

fumanstan
11-27-11, 11:38 AM
I'd imagine the description of the case would tell you.

Hiro11
11-28-11, 09:17 AM
Oh, come on people LOL. The Dvdtalk member Hiro11 posted a review that said that Netflix didn't work. I was telling the Dvdtalk member Hiro11 that Netflix does indeed work on the Fire :pI don't mean to be argumentative, but no it doesn't. I can't (easily) find the older version of the Netflix app. In any event, that's not a real solution. Also, many people in the reviews page on Amazon for Netflix are having exactly the same issues I have, I'm not alone on this.

One other thing: I noticed that EA has pulled the Kindle version of Dead Space from the app store. Clearly that app had major issues with core stability. How about a refund, Amazon?

Other than that, I'm still happy with the Fire. Every other app works great.

whotony
11-28-11, 11:54 AM
- Netflix does not work at all on the Fire. Audio lag, terrible scrolling, crashes, interface issues (no volume, ever-present bar across bottom), etc. This is a major disappointent for me. Fix the app.
-.

Only thing i see when i use it is the bar onb the bottom. I dont have any of the other problems.

the no volume sccroll is aan issue accross the all of the Fire not just NF.

D.Pham4GLTE (>60GB)
11-30-11, 10:17 AM
Any of you pick up the Fire for ~$124?

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3613238

fujishig
11-30-11, 10:40 AM
Any of you pick up the Fire for ~$124?

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3613238

That was basically a single target store and then a bunch of price matching attempts, right?

fumanstan
11-30-11, 10:45 AM
Looks like there's a software update to version 6.2. Not much detail on what the update does other then saying it improves the operation of the Kindle Fire.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200790620

Apparently mine auto-updated some time last night as it was already on 6.2 when I took a look this morning.

Dan
11-30-11, 11:18 AM
Mine's still on 6.1. The update button is greyed out.

edit: It just rebooted. I now have 6.2. So far, I don't see any changes.

fumanstan
11-30-11, 06:02 PM
A lot of folks were talking about some improvements to the touch screen sensitivity and responsiveness. Not sure if that's some sort of placebo effect though.

Deftones
11-30-11, 06:11 PM
They say the 6.2 update reverted all jailbreakers back to the normal software. :lol:

Dan
11-30-11, 06:18 PM
Nintendo does that with every single Wii update. :)

fumanstan
11-30-11, 07:01 PM
Breaks root. Jailbreak is for Apple stuff :) But it looks like it doesn't break the existing one click root programs out there, so its not too big of a deal since it's easy to redo.

Deftones
11-30-11, 07:19 PM
they are one in the same.

Decadance
12-01-11, 02:52 AM
They say the 6.2 update reverted all jailbreakers back to the normal software. :lol:

Any OTA android update will revoke root access if the bootloader does not prevent OTAs. Since the fire does not have a custom bootloader ala Amon Ra or Clockword Mod, folks who didn't see this coming simply don't know how droids work.

fumanstan
12-01-11, 08:11 AM
they are one in the same.

What is, Jailbreak and root? I don't think i've heard anyone use the term jailbreak on an Android device (i know the functionality is the same)

Deftones
12-01-11, 08:34 AM
it's just two words that are basically synonyms. i rarely use them interchangeably, but i did in this case. sorry to have offended you! :p

fumanstan
12-01-11, 09:00 AM
I just thought it was weird since Jailbreak is an Apple device term :p

Larry C.
12-01-11, 09:52 AM
Nintendo does that with every single Wii update. :)

Everytime I see your avatar it looks like that bear is about to molest a kid :lol:

Are you sure that's not Pedobear?

Dan
12-01-11, 11:29 AM
Everytime I see your avatar it looks like that bear is about to molest a kid :lol:

Are you sure that's not Pedobear?

:lol:
Not quite as bad as Pedobear.
It's one of the "Bad Idea Bears" from Avenue Q.

"More drinks! More fun!"

Any OTA android update will revoke root access if the bootloader does not prevent OTAs. Since the fire does not have a custom bootloader ala Amon Ra or Clockword Mod, folks who didn't see this coming simply don't know how droids work.
You know, that's what I was thinking, but I don't have enough knowledge in the area to make that claim.
When I first rooted my Nexus S, I was able to use a method that did NOT install ClockworkMod on the device (I could just load it via a PC when I needed it). So when I got the first OTA update from Google, my Nexus S was suddenly locked again. All I had to do was go through the unlock process again, and it was fine. I assumed it was an intentional "relock" by Google due to some sort of security measure in the OTA update itself.

Hiro11
12-05-11, 11:44 AM
Additional Kindle Fire thoughts:
1. 6.2 software update was handled very well. I left the Fire on, went to work, came home and 6.2 had been installed automatically. That's a good process.
2. I don't think 6.2 changed anything functionality-wise.
3. The mail client isn't half bad. Works fine.
4. The browser still crashes from time-to-time. It's not rock solid.
5. Riptide is a really fun jetski race game that looks pretty good on the Fire.
6. Sentinel: Homeworld is the best tower defense game I've found.
7. The Fire needs to deal with plugging in headphones a little better. It causes about a ten second pause if you're laying video and a loud crackle.

Needs:
- A good mapping app. Mapquest is weak.
- More games. The Fire is surprisingly capable of producing graphics.
- Graphic novel / comic suggestions.

fujishig
12-05-11, 02:36 PM
Do people really want automatic software updates? I don't mind, but if Windows did this (and I don't see a way to opt out) I'd think people would be mad.

I have no idea how the browser chooses which tabs to save when reopening. Sometimes I have duplicates, sometimes I have empty tabs. Seems random at times.

I don't understand the love for the amazon store app. Trying to find something that you might be interested in, in the store app, the movie app, the music app, and sometimes even the book app seems hard unless you know exactly what you're looking for. I'd have thought there'd be some list of bestsellers or deals or something, but if there is I can't find it. I still prefer just loading their store in the browser. This might be because of all the black friday sales/lightning deals, though.

Graphic novels: what do you have/what have you read? There's a lot of good stuff there from DC (not even including the comixology app):

Superhero:
All Star Superman
Watchmen
Dark Knight Returns
Batman: Hush
Batman: Long Halloween
Batman Year One
Planetary (broken into separate books)

Vertigo (all broken into separate books):
Sandman
Fables
Y the Last Man

fumanstan
12-05-11, 02:52 PM
I'd prefer a prompt to install the update, personally. Although the Fire's update process went smooth and quietly, it would suck if there were major issues.

I bought All Star Superman because of the great reviews, but haven't gotten into it at all. It's been pretty boring and stupid to me so far. :(

whotony
12-05-11, 04:29 PM
All-Star Superman is one of the best Supes stories I ever read.

fumanstan
12-05-11, 04:48 PM
I hope it gets better, because I got to the part with Lois getting powers and Atlas and Samson and thought it was eye-rolling bad so far.

Achtung
12-06-11, 02:38 PM
So I've had my Kindle Fire for about a week now. So far it's... eh. I do like the hardware overall. But so many of the "apps" are just links to the mobile versions of websites like Gmail, Facebook, and Twitter.

I guess I could enable sideloading, but honestly I think I'm just going to wait to root it and put ICS on. If that doesn't go well, I probably won't keep it and just wait for the iPad 3.

davidh777
12-08-11, 02:02 AM
:lol:
Not quite as bad as Pedobear.
It's one of the "Bad Idea Bears" from Avenue Q.

"More drinks! More fun!"



Awesome :lol:

fumanstan
12-12-11, 10:56 AM
Another update coming in a couple weeks.

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/11/2629405/kindle-fire-ota-software-update-coming-less-than-two-weeks


In the wake of user complaints about web browsing speeds and other performance issues, Amazon has told the New York Times that it will be releasing a software update for the Kindle Fire "in less than two weeks." That timeframe would put this new software update about a month after the 6.2 update released at the end of November.

The improvements will include performance updates and (finally) the ability to edit the list of recently used items on the home-screen carousel. A tipster has also informed us that this OTA software update should include performance updates related to Silk browser, whose performance when used via Amazon's cloud servers has not quite lived up to Amazon's original claims.

Dan
12-12-11, 12:33 PM
I've had no issues with the Fire. I can see a bit of room for improvement, sure, but I don't find it overly "laggy" or anything.

As for automatic updates, I'm fine with it. Just prompt me before you're going to reboot my device. Google does this perfectly with OTA updates on the Nexus phones.

fumanstan
12-12-11, 01:39 PM
Yeah, I'd say I don't have any major performance issues with the Fire either. I'm happy with it and have used it extensively on a few flights and trips.

al_bundy
12-12-11, 07:35 PM
Apple is probably paying peoPle to write these stories

fujishig
12-12-11, 08:00 PM
I've noticed that the browser is slow and unresponsive at times. And like I've said before, I have no idea how it picks and chooses which tabs to "remember" for the next time you open the browser. I'm not sure if it's because of the update, but it seems to have gotten worse.

al_bundy
12-15-11, 11:16 AM
how easy is it to put your own ebooks and pdf's on the fire?

my wife has been taking my ipad lately and i might have to plan to buy a cheap ereader for myself in the next year

Dan
12-15-11, 11:30 AM
Super easy. Either email them to your unique Kindle Fire address (as displayed in the Documents tab on the device), or connect the Kindle Fire to your computer via USB and drop the files manually into the Documents folder.

The various eBook formats will automatically move to the Books section. PDFs will stay in the Documents section.

At least, that's been my experience thus far.

fumanstan
12-15-11, 11:30 AM
how easy is it to put your own ebooks and pdf's on the fire?

my wife has been taking my ipad lately and i might have to plan to buy a cheap ereader for myself in the next year

Easy, you can email them to your kindle account directly (username@kindle.com) and they'll show up on your cloud drive, manually upload them to the cloud drive from a computer, or just connect the it to your computer and it shows up as a regular USB drive. PDF's shouldn't be an issue, I imagine the ebooks depend on the format though.

EDIT: D'oh, beat :(

Dan
12-15-11, 11:45 AM
A small mistake in my post...
Apparently, sending PDFs is a bit iffy as the conversion process is still "experimental" according to Amazon. I just sent one that didn't work.

here's the message I got:
Dear Customer,

Your message to penisesandcrackerjacks@kindle.com, sent at 04:31 PM on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 GMT did not include any attached documents or image files.

The Kindle Personal Document Service can convert and deliver the following types of documents:
Microsoft Word (.doc, .docx)
Rich Text Format (.rtf)
HTML (.htm, .html)
Text (.txt) documents
Archived documents (zip , x-zip) and compressed archived documents
Mobi book

Images that are of type JPEGs (.jpg), GIFs (.gif), Bitmaps (.bmp), and PNG images (.png).
Adobe PDF (.pdf) documents are delivered without conversion to Kindle DX, Second Generation and Latest Generation Kindles.

Conversion of Adobe PDF (.pdf) to Kindle format is done on experimental basis.

If the document(s) that failed belonged to one of the above document types, please ensure the document is not password protected or encrypted. Note that the Latest Generation Kindles support password protected PDFs.

You can learn more about transferring personal documents to your Kindle in our help pages:
http://www.amazon.com/kindlepersonaldocuments/

FantasticVSDoom
12-15-11, 12:20 PM
Been enjoying the Fire so far and no issues with the browser as of yet... The only thing that Im having an issue with and maybe Im just completely missing is I bought an app on amazon on my laptop, and it said I just have to open the app store app on my Kindle, and it will automatically download. Cant find that app anywhere and just wondering what Im doing wrong. Its driving me crazy.

fujishig
12-15-11, 12:24 PM
Super easy. Either email them to your unique Kindle Fire address (as displayed in the Documents tab on the device), or connect the Kindle Fire to your computer via USB and drop the files manually into the Documents folder.

The various eBook formats will automatically move to the Books section. PDFs will stay in the Documents section.

At least, that's been my experience thus far.

I've emailed some ebooks but they all go to documents. How do you get them to go to the books section?

Dan
12-15-11, 12:24 PM
Been enjoying the Fire so far and no issues with the browser as of yet... The only thing that Im having an issue with and maybe Im just completely missing is I bought an app on amazon on my laptop, and it said I just have to open the app store app on my Kindle, and it will automatically download. Cant find that app anywhere and just wondering what Im doing wrong. Its driving me crazy.
Which app was it? Are you sure it's compatible with the Kindle Fire?

I've emailed some ebooks but they all go to documents. How do you get them to go to the books section?
Whoops. My mistake. I used Calibre to get them into the Books section. Anything I've emailed has gone do Documents.

fumanstan
12-15-11, 12:49 PM
Been enjoying the Fire so far and no issues with the browser as of yet... The only thing that Im having an issue with and maybe Im just completely missing is I bought an app on amazon on my laptop, and it said I just have to open the app store app on my Kindle, and it will automatically download. Cant find that app anywhere and just wondering what Im doing wrong. Its driving me crazy.

I've never had any app automatically download. I have to check the Cloud (opposed to Device apps) and download it manually from the Fire.

FantasticVSDoom
12-15-11, 02:43 PM
Which app was it? Are you sure it's compatible with the Kindle Fire?




Doh' didnt even think of that... It was the Deer Hunter 3D app that was a .10 special yesterday. Checking now and it says on the order page its compatible.

fumanstan
12-20-11, 10:54 AM
6.2.1 update is supposedly trickling out, although my Fire hasn't been updated yet.

fumanstan
12-20-11, 11:36 AM
Sideloaded the update following these instructions -

You can download the update here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/kindle-fire-updates/update-kindle-6.2.1_D01E_3103920.bin

Copy (sideload) this file to the kindleupdates folder.

Touch Quick Settings, More (+), Device, Update Your Kindle.

It's nice being able to remove stuff from the Carousel now, and responsiveness of picking apps seems greatly improved. I don't have to be so sensitive when trying to select the app I want to open without it accidentally rotating to the next app.

Under Device settings, you can see Application Storage and Internal Storage split up now which is nifty.

A new options in the settings is for Restrictions, which lets you set a password on the WiFi from what I've read, although I have no need for it.

So far so good, the performance improvement to the UI is very nice.

FantasticVSDoom
12-20-11, 01:49 PM
First time trying to update my Fire so when I use the above directions, I assume that I download on the Kindle itself?

fumanstan
12-20-11, 02:27 PM
You might be better off waiting for your Fire to autoupdate, but I was impatient. I downloaded it on my PC and copied the file over after connecting my Fire to my PC via USB.

Dan
12-20-11, 03:04 PM
I installed the update (manually).
Seems a little speedier, but I never had issues with that before.
It's nice to remove stuff from the carousel. It would be nicer to remove entire categories from it, though. For example, I don't ever want my music (played from the Cloud Player) to be in there. Same goes for the most recent web pages.

Overall, this device is only getting better and better.

wmansir
12-22-11, 03:30 AM
Apparently 6.2.1 removes unroots devices and blocks the root method currently used.

B&N put out an update for the Nook Tablet that goes one step further and blocks installation of 3rd party apps completely. Looks like B&N is trying to kill of the sizable geek/hacker community that has embraced the Nook platform.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
12-22-11, 11:54 AM
Apparently 6.2.1 removes unroots devices and blocks the root method currently used.

Doesn't that normally happen with every update?

fumanstan
12-22-11, 11:59 AM
The last update removed root, but the existing root programs still worked.

Funkpie
12-23-11, 11:50 AM
Just opened the Fire I got for my wife for Christmas. Took several tries to register it, but finally got it to go. The main problem was just typing in the email and password. It kept typing by itself and shuffling to different screens on its own. Not sure if it is a screen sensitivity thing, or just really buggy, but if I place my finger just above the screen without touching it, it was executing. It has 6.2 on it. Powered it off and on several times, and I cannot get it to stop running around on its own...so far this thing is pretty annoying...

Dan
12-23-11, 11:56 AM
^ That does not sound like it's working properly. Install the 6.2.1 update and see if that fixes it. If not, get a replacement ASAP.

Funkpie
12-23-11, 12:42 PM
I think I got it now. Power off and hold the button for about 30 sec or so. I guess that reset it. Turned it back on, able to get the latest firmware from amazon.com. Viola. Seems to be behaving properly now (fingers crossed)

Funkpie
12-24-11, 11:05 AM
Why do I always get a warped one?
http://sammyvegas.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/mel-brooks.jpg

Still isn't right. Amazon is sending me a new one (sad face)

goofee girl
12-26-11, 06:48 AM
Got a Fire for Christmas! So I'm joining this thread.

So far no complaints except that the carousel is too quick to scroll by and miss the app or book that I want. Otherwise, I'm thrilled with it! Even the touch screen typing is working for me despite having trouble with the Kindle Touch typing. I kept hitting the wrong letters on the Touch with my big fingers. On the Fire I pretty much hit the right letter every time.

I even played Angry Birds for the first time on the Fire. :)

LosingMyMind
12-26-11, 11:38 AM
Got a Fire for Christmas! So I'm joining this thread.

So far no complaints except that the carousel is too quick to scroll by and miss the app or book that I want. Otherwise, I'm thrilled with it! Even the touch screen typing is working for me despite having trouble with the Kindle Touch typing. I kept hitting the wrong letters on the Touch with my big fingers. On the Fire I pretty much hit the right letter every time.

I even played Angry Birds for the first time on the Fire. :)
Glad you are enjoying it. We only have an ipad, but I would much rather have a kindle fire.

whotony
12-26-11, 01:59 PM
Glad you are enjoying it. We only have an ipad, but I would much rather have a kindle fire.

I wouldn't. We have both and the iPad is more of a mini laptop that happens to be a book reader, the Fire is a book reader that also does a few other things like games and surf the web, and not as easily as an iPad.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
12-26-11, 04:45 PM
I wouldn't. We have both and the iPad is more of a mini laptop that happens to be a book reader, the Fire is a book reader that also does a few other things like games and surf the web, and not as easily as an iPad.

Same here. If they were both the same price, I'd go with the iPad again. Since the Fire is cheaper, it's nice to have a second tablet that works fine for the price.

Josh-da-man
12-27-11, 09:10 PM
I wouldn't. We have both and the iPad is more of a mini laptop that happens to be a book reader, the Fire is a book reader that also does a few other things like games and surf the web, and not as easily as an iPad.

If I was going to do a lot of reading, I'd probably just get an e-ink Kindle to read on and then have an iPad for surfing and playing games.

al_bundy
12-28-11, 09:09 AM
why?

with the new ibooks themes the screen is A LOT easier on the eyes and can be used in the darkness

Deftones
12-28-11, 10:53 AM
Because some people can't stand to look at an LCD screen for hours on end. :shrug:

al_bundy
12-28-11, 10:57 AM
that was true before but apple updated ibooks and the new color themes are easy on the eyes. i haven't used the kindle app in months simply because i'm reading some books i "acquired". and the iphone 4s is very good in direct sunlight as well.

Dan
12-28-11, 11:00 AM
Because some people can't stand to look at an LCD screen for hours on end. :shrug:

NO! iPad = perfect!! ;)

My wife has started using my Kindle (3rd gen w/ keyboard). She loves it, and can't stand looking at an LCD for reading. I haven't used the Kindle Fire for reading much (other that websites), but I'm still firmly in the camp that it's the perfect size for watching video and playing games alone, which is how I use it.

al_bundy
12-28-11, 11:14 AM
if amazon sold the kindle for $79 or $150 when it first came out i would have bought it. but $400 just to read books?

Dan
12-28-11, 11:25 AM
Just like the first iPod was $400 and all it did was play music.
Do you even know what you're arguing about anymore?

fumanstan
12-28-11, 11:28 AM
:lol:

I'm used to looking at a computer screen all day, so I have no problems reading books on my Fire.

Ginwen
12-28-11, 12:19 PM
that was true before but apple updated ibooks and the new color themes are easy on the eyes. i haven't used the kindle app in months simply because i'm reading some books i "acquired". and the iphone 4s is very good in direct sunlight as well.

A few reasons for me are:
IPad is heavier especially compared to the newest Kindles. Kindle is one-hander, which is how I prefer to read, IPad is definitely not.

If there is any glare at all, I can't read on an IPad, or IPod. I guess it works for you but not for me at all, just gives me a terrible headache. I'm pretty surprised you can read in direct sunlight since I can't even read it outside unless it is really overcast.

I don't care to buy anything from IBooks (although I'll read free stuff on there) for a few reasons (I blame them for agency pricing, I can read my kindle stuff on all my devices, plus some other DRM-related reasons).

This is stupid, but I get on my Ipad or Ipod, and I start doing other stuff not reading. On the Kindle I just read.

I still use my I-stuff for reading, IPad when the light is crappy, and IPod because I have it everywhere, but prefer the Kindle in most cases.

al_bundy
12-28-11, 12:42 PM
Just like the first iPod was $400 and all it did was play music.
Do you even know what you're arguing about anymore?

the first ipod let me carry a month's worth of CD's around. have they invented a way to read more than one book at a time? why would i pay $400 when hardcover books are $20 or so and can be resold for half the price. and paperbacks are even cheaper? library is free

good idea though, maybe i'll try to code a book shuffle app where it will shuffle all the books in your ibooks library so you read a page from a different book one after another

al_bundy
12-28-11, 12:46 PM
A few reasons for me are:
IPad is heavier especially compared to the newest Kindles. Kindle is one-hander, which is how I prefer to read, IPad is definitely not.

If there is any glare at all, I can't read on an IPad, or IPod. I guess it works for you but not for me at all, just gives me a terrible headache. I'm pretty surprised you can read in direct sunlight since I can't even read it outside unless it is really overcast.

I don't care to buy anything from IBooks (although I'll read free stuff on there) for a few reasons (I blame them for agency pricing, I can read my kindle stuff on all my devices, plus some other DRM-related reasons).

This is stupid, but I get on my Ipad or Ipod, and I start doing other stuff not reading. On the Kindle I just read.

I still use my I-stuff for reading, IPad when the light is crappy, and IPod because I have it everywhere, but prefer the Kindle in most cases.

for me by the time the kindles came down to a reasonable price the ipad came out and it had a lot of children's books cheaper than the book store which is what did it for me

Dan
12-28-11, 12:57 PM
the first ipod let me carry a month's worth of CD's around. have they invented a way to read more than one book at a time?
that's fucking retarded logic, and you know it. You can't listen to two different songs at the exact same time on your 2001 iPod (or even your 2011 iPod, iPad, or iPhone).

why would i pay $400 when hardcover books are $20 or so and can be resold for half the price. and paperbacks are even cheaper? library is free
Again, it's not 2007 anymore. Kindles are $79. eBooks are cheaper than new hardcovers, and 1000 times lighter and more convenient. Your argument is flawed in every possible way. There's no "resale" value of eBooks, just like there's no "resale" value of all those MP3s you store on your iPod. Get real.

Also, libraries carry CDs as well.

good idea though, maybe i'll try to code a book shuffle app where it will shuffle all the books in your ibooks library so you read a page from a different book one after another
You can, you know, just use the menu on the device to pick whichever books you want to read whenever you want to read them.


Why do you even bother trolling in these threads?

Jay G.
12-28-11, 01:07 PM
the first ipod let me carry a month's worth of CD's around. have they invented a way to read more than one book at a time?
People can read more than one book at a time easily on a Kindle, and it can hold thousands of books, enough for decades of reading. Plus, people don't just read books, but magazines and newspapers as well, often alternating between them. The Kindle can handle them all.

why would i pay $400 when hardcover books are $20 or so and can be resold for half the price. and paperbacks are even cheaper? library is free
The price issue held for iPods as well at first (why pay $400 when CDs are under $20 and can be resold?), and not as big an issue now that the starting price for a Kindle has dropped to $80. Also, CDs had a huge advantage in portability over books; I could carry a wallet with 10-20 CDs easily in a backpack, but carrying 10-20 books would be heavy and awkward.

As for libraries, many libraries now have ebook lending, and the Kindle can "borrow" many of these for free. Prime users get to borrow a book a month directly from Amazon. Not to mention all the temporary price drops on Kindle ebooks to free. I own 15 kindle books, the majority of them not public domain, and didn't pay for any of them. My wife probably owns a hundred or more now. I use this site's newsletter to see the free deals:
http://www.ereaderiq.com/newsletter/

for me by the time the kindles came down to a reasonable price the ipad came out and it had a lot of children's books cheaper than the book store which is what did it for me
The iPad may have made sense for you for what you wanted to be able to do and were willing to pay, and it may be usable for you in the majority of situations you use it in. However, that doesn't mean the iPad is the best device for everyone and every situation. For some people and some situations, a Kindle Fire may be better (even if it's just because it's cheaper). In other cases, a standard e-ink Kindle may be best.

fumanstan
12-28-11, 01:09 PM
Ah, I love it when al_bundy makes my signature true.

Dan
12-28-11, 01:11 PM
It's... it's just so hard to resist!

RichC2
12-28-11, 01:26 PM
Picked one of these up for my sister on Xmas, she loves the thing (didn't put it down for the 2 days I was there at least).

Seems to be a pretty damn good device, especially at the $200 mark. Definitely like the size of the thing, just about perfect as PMP/Portable Gaming Device, good size for reading books as well, though it's a touch small for magazines and comics.

al_bundy
12-28-11, 01:26 PM
People can read more than one book at a time easily on a Kindle, and it can hold thousands of books, enough for decades of reading. Plus, people don't just read books, but magazines and newspapers as well, often alternating between them. The Kindle can handle them all.


The price issue held for iPods as well at first (why pay $400 when CDs are under $20 and can be resold?), and not as big an issue now that the starting price for a Kindle has dropped to $80. Also, CDs had a huge advantage in portability over books; I could carry a wallet with 10-20 CDs easily in a backpack, but carrying 10-20 books would be heavy and awkward.

As for libraries, many libraries now have ebook lending, and the Kindle can "borrow" many of these for free. Prime users get to borrow a book a month directly from Amazon. Not to mention all the temporary price drops on Kindle ebooks to free. I own 15 kindle books, the majority of them not public domain, and didn't pay for any of them. My wife probably owns a hundred or more now. I use this site's newsletter to see the free deals:
http://www.ereaderiq.com/newsletter/


The iPad may have made sense for you for what you wanted to be able to do and were willing to pay, and it may be usable for you in the majority of situations you use it in. However, that doesn't mean the iPad is the best device for everyone and every situation. For some people and some situations, a Kindle Fire may be better (even if it's just because it's cheaper). In other cases, a standard e-ink Kindle may be best.

you still had to switch CD's and even if you had something like the iriver where you could listen to mp3's it was either a shuffle or one after another. the ipod let you easily switch between artists, switch the music on your device a lot faster than burning mp3's to disc and had playlists so i could easily put selected songs on the device.

did the $400 kindle do anything else except book reading?

my kindle library is hundreds of books, most of them unread. a lot of times i go through the ereaderiq email and just "buy" the free books to read some time in the future. but that is now and not when the kindle first came out. back then the device was $400 and the selection very limited

RichC2
12-28-11, 01:31 PM
you still had to switch CD's and even if you had something like the iriver where you could listen to mp3's it was either a shuffle or one after another. the ipod let you easily switch between artists, switch the music on your device a lot faster than burning mp3's to disc and had playlists so i could easily put selected songs on the device.


Yeah, the iPod was a NOMAD Jukebox with better aesthetics. Much better aesthetics.

Deftones
12-28-11, 01:33 PM
that was true before but apple updated ibooks and the new color themes are easy on the eyes. i haven't used the kindle app in months simply because i'm reading some books i "acquired". and the iphone 4s is very good in direct sunlight as well.

No. It's still true. Some people eyes strain looking at any LCD for long periods of time, no matter the snazzy new color themes.

sracer
12-28-11, 01:50 PM
that's fucking retarded logic, and you know it. You can't listen to two different songs at the exact same time on your 2001 iPod (or even your 2011 iPod, iPad, or iPhone).


Again, it's not 2007 anymore. Kindles are $79. eBooks are cheaper than new hardcovers, and 1000 times lighter and more convenient. Your argument is flawed in every possible way. There's no "resale" value of eBooks, just like there's no "resale" value of all those MP3s you store on your iPod. Get real.

Also, libraries carry CDs as well.

You can, you know, just use the menu on the device to pick whichever books you want to read whenever you want to read them.


Why do you even bother trolling in these threads?
With the logic that you are using, he has a very good reason.

If you can't see the difference between carrying 30 songs with you and 30 ebooks, then you simply are demonstrating a lack of understanding of content consumption.

A single song is 3-5 minutes long. It takes far longer than that to read a book. Within the span of 1 hour, you can consume 12 songs. In that same hour you could not consume a typical novel.

"Replay value" of music is significantly higher than ebooks. People listen to music far more than a single play. Most books are read once, perhaps twice. When the replay value is high, the need for resale value is lessened.

ebooks are occasionally less expensive than their hardcover counterpart. They are rarely less than the paperback version. The inability to trade-in, resell, or give away the ebook makes the ebook version an even more expensive proposition.

While it is true that libraries carry CDs to loan, their collection is no where near as wide a range of genres as their books.

al bundy's original point is valid. You may not agree with it, but your lack of agreement does not invalidate the point.

That point was valid in 2007. It is not valid in 2011. Your attempt to draw an equivalence with music players falls flat. It is flat now. It would've been flat 4 years ago had you attempted to draw an equivalence then.

Jay G.
12-28-11, 02:00 PM
did the $400 kindle do anything else except book reading?
Yes, you could subscribe to newspapers, magazines, blogs and wire services, you could listen to audiobooks and music (it supported MP3s), and you could browse the internet with free mobile data service.

my kindle library is hundreds of books, most of them unread.
I don't know how this is the fault of the kindle reader, or the kindle service. The same could've been said about iBooks, if iBooks actually offered free books. iBooks doesn't allow borrowing from libraries though.

but that is now and not when the kindle first came out. back then the device was $400 and the selection very limited
Back when it first came out, there was no iPad for any price, so it won over the iPad just by virtue of existing. Even back when it first came out, when I felt it was too expensive for myself, the device still sold extremely well.

However, the neat thing about "now" is that the present is what we're actually living in. Nobody buys an iPad today based on what the iPod originally did or sold for, and nobody is buying a Kindle now based on its original costs or abilities.

Note that I don't own a Kindle nor an iPad. I don't think one is clearly superior to the other. Both have advantages and disadvantages. If I was going to buy one and had to choose, I'd have to consider a whole host of factors to decide which would be best for my circumstances and desires. That you've decided the iPad is the best fit for you is fine. The problem is when you try to then assert that it therefore must be the best fit for everyone. You demonstrated this cognitive dissonance in the iPhone 4S thread as well.

shadowhawk2020
12-28-11, 02:37 PM
With the logic that you are using, he has a very good reason.

If you can't see the difference between carrying 30 songs with you and 30 ebooks, then you simply are demonstrating a lack of understanding of content consumption.

A single song is 3-5 minutes long. It takes far longer than that to read a book. Within the span of 1 hour, you can consume 12 songs. In that same hour you could not consume a typical novel.

"Replay value" of music is significantly higher than ebooks. People listen to music far more than a single play. Most books are read once, perhaps twice. When the replay value is high, the need for resale value is lessened.

ebooks are occasionally less expensive than their hardcover counterpart. They are rarely less than the paperback version. The inability to trade-in, resell, or give away the ebook makes the ebook version an even more expensive proposition.

While it is true that libraries carry CDs to loan, their collection is no where near as wide a range of genres as their books.

al bundy's original point is valid. You may not agree with it, but your lack of agreement does not invalidate the point.

That point was valid in 2007. It is not valid in 2011. Your attempt to draw an equivalence with music players falls flat. It is flat now. It would've been flat 4 years ago had you attempted to draw an equivalence then.

How many times would you have to play that 3-5 minute song to get the same entertainment time as a single novel read through twice?

You would need to spend a lot more dollars in music to entertain yourself the same amount if tune as one ebook.

fumanstan
12-28-11, 03:17 PM
I really like my Kindle Fire. It's neat.

Jay G.
12-28-11, 03:28 PM
If you can't see the difference between carrying 30 songs with you and 30 ebooks, then you simply are demonstrating a lack of understanding of content consumption.
Obviously, the analogy between the iPod and the Kindle is going to break down when you get into specifics, especially as the advantages of one or the other are largely subjective and based on people's different priorities. However, some of the parallels (both prohibitively expensive at first, limited functionality, attempting to supplant existing media) do hold true.

Dan
12-28-11, 03:40 PM
If you can't see the difference between carrying 30 songs with you and 30 ebooks, then you simply are demonstrating a lack of understanding of content consumption.

Please. I never even suggested that the consumption, marketing, perceived value, or existence of the two types of media were comparable in any way. I'm not going to quote the rest of your argument, since it is predicated on the notion that I think music players and book readers (and subsequently, the media itself) are somehow equal, even though I never stated or implied such a thing; only that both are available in a variety of stores/formats (B&M, libraries*, and digital downloads).

How each of us consumes/purchases/resells music and/or reading material is unique.

shadowhawk2020 is spot on. A 1-hour MP3 album is $9.99. a 1,000-page eBook that takes 30 hours to read is $9.99. For one person, the former has more value. For another, the latter.

You seem to agree with this notion.
al_bundy is just trolling. Must be boredom.

* my local libraries have massive CD and DVD collections of varying genres and eras that eclipse most peoples' personal collections at home. I'm sorry your libraries aren't as well-stocked.

Funkpie
01-04-12, 11:03 AM
Am I missing something here? Amazon is forcing the use of the 'one click' thing for purchases on the kindle. I noticed it isn't prompting for a login/password when you make a selection through the kindle like it does on the regular website, it just goes right through. Did I mistakenly turn something off? Did they really set this up with no verification? I'd like to have some level of security because as it is now, if my kid hits the right sequence of buttons, bam, new app, and god forbid the thing were lost or stolen. Apologies if this has already been covered, but can one at least set up to have a password entered when the device is woken up? Anyone word if amazon has planss to fix this automatic login with a future os update?

fumanstan
01-04-12, 11:11 AM
Am I missing something here? Amazon is forcing the use of the 'one click' thing for purchases on the kindle. I noticed it isn't prompting for a login/password when you make a selection through the kindle like it does on the regular website, it just goes right through. Did I mistakenly turn something off? Did they really set this up with no verification? I'd like to have some level of security because as it is now, if my kid hits the right sequence of buttons, bam, new app, and god forbid the thing were lost or stolen. Apologies if this has already been covered, but can one at least set up to have a password entered when the device is woken up? Anyone word if amazon has planss to fix this automatic login with a future os update?

You can set a lock screen password in the settings. You can also set a password to enable the WiFi.

Jay G.
01-04-12, 11:40 AM
Apologies if this has already been covered, but can one at least set up to have a password entered when the device is woken up?
You can set a password for the Kindle on wake-up:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_k6new_password?nodeId=200729250#password
To set your Kindle password:

From the Home screen, tap the Quick Settings icon.
Tap the More icon, then Security.
Slide the switch next to Lock Screen Password to On.
You'll be prompted to set your password.


However, there's an app that can help lock down the Kindle for your kids, called "Kids Place - With Child Lock":
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0061S073A/

With that app, you could lock them out of the appstore. Kindle Fire has built-in parental controls for restricting in-app purchases:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_200729730_parental?nodeId=200729730#parental
To set up parental controls, tap Apps from the Home screen and select "Store." Tap the Menu icon, select "Settings," then tap "Parental Controls." From this screen, you can either require your Amazon.com password to make in-app purchases or set up a 4-digit PIN. With either setting, you will have to enter your password or PIN before all in-app purchases.

Funkpie
01-04-12, 12:00 PM
Great info, thanks fellas.

MasterofDVD
01-08-12, 01:31 AM
Just like the first iPod was $400 and all it did was play music.
Do you even know what you're arguing about anymore?

I'm way late to say how awesome this response is but I just have to :thumbsup:

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
01-09-12, 01:13 PM
I'm happy. I figured out how to get android market apps to install on a kindle fire without having to root it. Having them work is another issue, based on how they're made but they can work.

This does require another android device, or emulated device, that can install programs from the android market.

1. Download and install ASTRO File Manager https://market.android.com/details?id=com.metago.astro&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5tZXRhZ28uYXN0cm8iXQ.. to your non-fire device

2. Make sure you have whatever program you want on your kindle, already installed on this other device

3. Start the File Manager program and select Application Backup.

4. Check the boxes of the programs you want to have transferred and hit the backup button

5. Exit the backup screen and go into File Manager. In /mnt/sdcard/backups/apps select and hold down the app you want to transfer until the menu shows up and you can then select the Send option.

6. Email the file as an attachment to one of your email addresses.

7. On the Fire, make sure you can install non-amazon market apps. By default, the option is turned off. It's in settings somewhere and I don't have a Fire on me to give the exact location but it's fairly obvious.

8. On the Fire, get into the email account you sent it to, using the web or an app.

9. Download the apk file you sent to yourself and after you download it you will be able to install it.

Dan
01-09-12, 09:22 PM
It's funny... I'm not even slightly interested in rooting my Kindle Fire or installing a custom ROM or anything like that. I guess I'm one of the few who likes it as-is.

I did use a similar method to the above to install the gmail ang Google+ apps, though. :)

fumanstan
01-09-12, 09:36 PM
It's funny... I'm not even slightly interested in rooting my Kindle Fire or installing a custom ROM or anything like that. I guess I'm one of the few who likes it as-is.

I did use a similar method to the above to install the gmail ang Google+ apps, though. :)

Yeah, I like mine as is as well. I'll play some games like Words with Friends, read some books/comics, and browse the internet or check email and that's pretty much all I want from it. I'm even happy with about all the stuff I can get from the Amazon AppStore on it, outside of a few apps I sideloaded.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
01-10-12, 11:40 AM
It's funny... I'm not even slightly interested in rooting my Kindle Fire or installing a custom ROM or anything like that. I guess I'm one of the few who likes it as-is.

I did use a similar method to the above to install the gmail ang Google+ apps, though. :)

I just wanted to play Dweller on it, so it was nice to not have to root it to install it. Just a simple backup and email.

Deftones
01-11-12, 08:56 AM
So far, I'm impressed and not impressed with the Kindle Fire. The responsiveness of the touchscreen is horrible. Flat out garbage in some cases. But, on the upside, I've installed go launcher to make it more like a tablet. So far, it'll be a completely functional second tablet for my kid to watch movies and play some games.

Quack
01-18-12, 12:43 AM
How is reading comics on this? I was gonna get one for me and one for the gf for our anniversary, I mostly wanted to enjoy reading comics that I have already on my hard drive. Are there good apps that let you keep a good amount on the Fire?

fujishig
01-18-12, 12:12 PM
There was one cbz reader last I checked, but I didn't buy it. Comixology works great on it. Marvel Digital Unlimited sub (flash based) works fine. The DC offerings for Kindle are great too.

The one caveat I can see is the limited application space. Actually, I have no idea how it works, for an application like a cbz reader, does it keep the files in the application itself, or in the docs section? If it's in the application itself, you might be limited by the ~1 gig application limit.

Actually, anyone know how to find out how much space each application takes up?

tlwizard
01-18-12, 05:53 PM
I picked up the CBZ reader ComiCat. I've only read one comic so far but it worked well. I copied all my CBZ files to my kindle and ComiCat scanned and indexed them (only within the program though.)

Haven't really tested it out, but plan to in the next coupla weeks as I do some traveling.

fumanstan
01-18-12, 05:55 PM
I sideloaded a viewer called jjcomicviewer and its ok; Comicat seems pretty good, maybe its worth the $2.99 for it.

Also, another new update for the Fire is out.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/18/kindle-fire-firmware-updated-6-2-2-full-screen-browser/

Deftones
01-18-12, 05:59 PM
shit. i don't give a fuck about their browser. don't break root! :sad:

Superman07
01-18-12, 07:53 PM
So far, I'm impressed and not impressed with the Kindle Fire. The responsiveness of the touchscreen is horrible. Flat out garbage in some cases. But, on the upside, I've installed go launcher to make it more like a tablet. So far, it'll be a completely functional second tablet for my kid to watch movies and play some games.

This is what I observed at the store. Depending on what shakes out, I figure I'll dip my toe in the tablet waters with an iPad 3 or a Kindle 2. Based on what little we know now I'd say K2 if it can become a lot snappier! It's just too slow, even compared to an iPad 2.

RichC2
01-19-12, 10:32 AM
What's the Kindle 2 a reference to? The Kindle 3 was released quite some time ago, not sure they're still numbering them like that.

The Kindle Fire is actually pretty quick, Deftones was complaining about the touchscreen sensitivity which I actually didn't have an issue with. I agree it isn't as responsive as the iPad 2, though.

Deftones
01-19-12, 11:08 AM
i think he means kindle fire version 2.

i don't have problems with the kindle fire's responsiveness after something (app, browser) is opened. it's the responsiveness to my touches. maybe it's just me, but i almost always have to click something more than once to get it to open.

RichC2
01-19-12, 11:13 AM
Ah gotcha

Deftones
01-19-12, 12:19 PM
So I rerooted after the update. I've gotta say, maybe it's just my perception, but it seems like some of the lag issues I've been experiencing when opening apps seems to have diminished. I'll have to play around with it a bunch more to see if that is the case.

Dan
01-19-12, 05:19 PM
maybe it's just me, but i almost always have to click something more than once to get it to open.

You're definitely not the only one, but I'm personally convinced that this is a hardware issue. There are a good number of people who continue to have this problem regardless of which firmware version they're running.

I, on the other hand, have had no problems with that type of responsiveness. Over 95% of my touches are registered just fine on the device. So, at most, 1 out of every 20 touches goes unnoticed, but my right-hand index finger has a 'dead spot' for these things (high-school injury. Finger looks normal, but has a bump that doesn't register on touch-based devices when I touch it on a certain angle)

Deftones
01-19-12, 07:30 PM
It's definitely improved. I'm "double" clicking less than I used to be. :up:

fumanstan
01-19-12, 07:49 PM
I always have issues clicking links inside the browser. A lot of times they don't open, regardless of taps or longer presses. That's my only annoyance, especially since I was using my Kindle Fire almost exclusively this week while in bed after surgery.

Superman07
01-19-12, 08:46 PM
Sorry. I was referring to Kindle Fire 2. The small amount of time I've used a Fire, I felt there was lag to input commands.

Quack
01-31-12, 02:15 PM
Just got my Kindle Fire....where did most of you go for a Micro USB cable to transfer files?

fujishig
01-31-12, 03:31 PM
I just went with Amazon, I think I bought one for a couple of bucks.

Dan
01-31-12, 03:48 PM
I already had a few lying around from my last Monoprice order. :)

Quack
01-31-12, 04:42 PM
Yea, ended up realizing my Droidx2 charger could be used as one. :)

fumanstan
01-31-12, 04:58 PM
I ended up using random leftover cables from my phones too. I wish they went with the wall adapter + USB plug type thing that most smartphones seem to come with these days.

Dan
01-31-12, 05:23 PM
I surely have no idea what I'm talking about, but I think that a standard USB connection only allows for 5 volts at 500mA (or 900mA?) current. They use the all-in-one wall adapter so they can bump the current to 1.8A, decreasing the time it takes to recharge. Trying to charge a Kindle Fire directly from a computer would take longer than charging it from a wall socket.

fumanstan
01-31-12, 05:51 PM
I have no real idea what i'm talking about either, but I thought that limitation was on USB ports on computers, but off a wall jack it wouldn't matter. Devices definitely charge slower via USB on my computer, but i've plugged my Fire into the same wall adapter that I use to charge my phone and it seemed as fast as the stock one.

Dan
01-31-12, 05:56 PM
Well there you go. Amazon are just a bunch of jerks.

My Kindle 3rd gen. (now known as Kindle Keyboard) has the type of adapter you're talking about. I assumed it was because they weren't as concerned about recharge time back then.

The stock Kindle Fire plug must be a few cents cheaper to make.

fumanstan
01-31-12, 06:08 PM
Well I could be wrong, or maybe there are still enough differences that the normal charger still charges faster. Or maybe they just really want to minimize the need for first time users to even think they need to connect to a computer. Not really a big deal to me in the end either way I guess :p

Dan
01-31-12, 06:11 PM
Well, we needed three posts in a row that start with "well," but also, I just checked my chargers.

Kindle Fire charger - Outputs 5V at 1.8A
Samsung Nexus S charger - Outputs 5V at 0.7A

I know I've used both chargers to charge both devices (individually, of course), but never noticed a difference between them, either.

Oh well. :)

fumanstan
01-31-12, 06:16 PM
Well damn.

Trevor
03-29-12, 07:58 AM
Well, today's Amazon Deal of the Day is a refurbished Fire for $139.

Superman07
03-29-12, 08:09 AM
Saw that - so tempted to get one for that price. I was really holding out for the sucessor or "new iPad". Grrr! I wonder if they are clearing out stock to make room.

Cardsfan111
03-29-12, 10:12 AM
Well, today's Amazon Deal of the Day is a refurbished Fire for $139.

I've been thinking abouit a refurbished Fire at $169 for a couple of weeks. Hard to pass this up.

sracer
03-29-12, 10:55 AM
Well, today's Amazon Deal of the Day is a refurbished Fire for $139.
Terrific price for a terrific device. I use mine nearly as much as I use my iPad2.

ivelostr2
03-29-12, 11:02 AM
i've been going back and forth on one of these for a while not sure what i wanted, but I've also been really poor since having a kid in January...but for $140, now i have something to read while rocking her in the dark at 2am (at least that is how i justified it to the wife). I plan to use it mostly for comic reading and watching movies at work when the boss isnt here...

fumanstan
03-29-12, 11:26 AM
It looks like update 6.3 is out as well.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_k6land_software2?nodeId=200790620&tag=5336653508-20

Changes -

Sharing: Customers will be able to easily share favorite passages and notes from their books directly from Kindle Fire, without even leaving the book. Customers simply highlight a passage and select "Share" or choose the "Share" option from the toolbar within a book, write a note if they choose, and select which social network to share with. Passages or notes a customer chooses to share will be displayed to other Kindle readers viewing the same book, and customers can also choose to share via Facebook and Twitter. Amazon already has a vibrant community of readers who choose to share favorite passages and notes from their reading through Kindle.amazon.com. This update brings these notes and highlights to Kindle Fire, so a reader can easily see what other readers are saying about their books.

Book Extras: Powered by Shelfari, Amazon's community of book lovers, Book Extras make it easy for customers to see supplemental material about the book they are reading, without even leaving the book. Customers can view descriptions of characters, a glossary of common terms used in the book, information on the authors and common locations referenced in the book, and more. To view Book Extras from within a book, customers simply tap the top of the screen to bring up the toolbar, tap the menu button and select "Book Extras."

Archive of Personal Documents: Customers' personal documents will be stored in the Amazon Cloud and available for re-download at any time from the Documents tab on Kindle Fire. Just as with Kindle books, Whispersync will automatically sync notes, highlights and last page read for personal documents.

Print Replica Textbooks: Students can buy thousands of print replica textbooks to read on their Kindle Fire and save up to 60% off the list price of the print textbook. Print replica textbooks maintain the rich formatting, color and layout of the print editions, with features including notes and highlights, zoom and pan, linked table of contents, real page numbers and Whispersync of notes, highlights and last page read.

Reading View for Amazon Silk: There is a seemingly endless array of interesting and engaging content available on the Internet. Sometimes, unfortunately, that business article, blog post, or sports recap you clicked on is surrounded by a host of competing material. With Reading View on Silk, the content that you're interested in is elevated above the clutter. When invoked by the customer, Silk will load the body of the page in a reading-optimized, single screen view (even for multi-page articles). The full page is still available in the background, allowing the reader to easily toggle back to a traditional view to see other interesting features on the page.

Movie Rentals: The rental period for movie rentals that are downloaded to Kindle Fire now starts when a customer starts watching the movie, rather than when a customer starts downloading the movie.

Additional Enhancements: This update will also bring some of the features customers have requested, including faster re-connect of Wi-Fi after Kindle Fire has been asleep, and general performance enhancements.

Groucho
03-29-12, 11:46 AM
Terrific price for a terrific device. I use mine nearly as much as I use my iPad2.Out of curiosity, what do you primarily use each device for?

Noonan
03-29-12, 11:55 AM
Just ordered one taking advantage of the daily sale. I returned the first tablet I purchased but it cost $400. I have no issue spending $139 for a device I'll probably use every day. Can't wait to get it.

FantasticVSDoom
03-29-12, 12:29 PM
Out of curiosity, what do you primarily use each device for?

Yeah after getting a new iPad, I was faced with the fact that I essentially have 2 devices doing similar things. That being said, I still much prefer the Kindle Fire for reading, and since I didnt pay for either, I dont feel so bad about it.

fumanstan
03-29-12, 01:27 PM
It looks like update 6.3 is out as well.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_k6land_software2?nodeId=200790620&tag=5336653508-20

Changes -

And mine's been updated. I don't know if its just the placebo effect, but I swear every update is improving the snapiness of the thing.

orangecrush
03-29-12, 10:17 PM
Well, today's Amazon Deal of the Day is a refurbished Fire for $139.I'll be sure not to tell my wife. She just got a refurbished fire Tuesday.

sracer
03-30-12, 01:00 AM
Out of curiosity, what do you primarily use each device for?
I use them for almost identical purposes... checking mail, surfing, reading blogs, reading ebooks, media playback. I use the iPad2 primarily for reading scanned magazines and comic books. The larger screen is much better for that. The Kindle Fire with its 7" screen is more comfortable for leisurely reading.

Noonan
03-30-12, 11:06 AM
Does anyone have the dodocase for their Fire? I ordered one even though it's a bit pricey. Seems to be the nicest available for what I was looking for.

sinned
04-10-12, 02:28 PM
Has anyone brought their Kindle Fire to a foreign country? I understand that I won't be able to stream videos but will I be able to stream my music from Amazon cloud?

Why would Amazon not want to sell the Fire and make it usable in foreign countries?

Jay G.
04-10-12, 03:11 PM
Why would Amazon not want to sell the Fire and make it usable in foreign countries?
Amazon most likely wants to make the Fire available and usable in foreign countries, but its a big task to accomplish. For one, the music and videos they carry are only licensed for the US, and they'd have to have to get it licensed individually in each foreign country. I know they're working on expanding Amazon MP3, but it's only in a few countries so far.

Hiro11
04-11-12, 09:58 AM
Problems I've been having with my Fire:

1. Screen coming on when it's "sleeping". This happens continually every five minutes when the problem is occuring. I thought it might be related to the mail client checking. On restart it stops doing this but I hate having to restart the device frequently. This issue runs down the battery quickly.
2. Periodic video playback stability issues. On occassion there will be lots of loud pops and snaps when playing back Youtube, Prime or Netflix. Lip sync issues, stuttering. Again, on restart some of these issues go away (some of the time). The inconsistency of the problem is a bit maddening.
3. Slightly sketchy wifi stability. On occassion, it will lose wifi connectivity for no reason, requiring me to cycle wifi on and off.
4. Relatively bad touch recognition. Playing Angry Birds Space can be an exercise in frustration as the screen digitizer is extremely inaccurate in figuing out fine adjustments and when exactly I've lifted my finger. Apple remains (IMO) the only company to have really figured this out.

Anyone else have these issues? Any possible resolutions?

I'm pretty happy with the Fire and definitely feel like I've been getting my money's worth out of the thing. The OS build has been continually improved but it unforetunately remains a bit "amateur hour" compared to my iPad (perhaps not a fair comparison). Also, the glaring holes in the app catalog have started to bother me. Lastly, the next iteration really needs to include a camera and microphone: Skype has become one of my go-to use cases for the iPad.

fumanstan
04-11-12, 10:08 AM
I haven't had any issues with #1 and #3. I haven't seen the screen turn back on for no reason, and I haven't had any WiFi issues either. I don't watch enough videos on the thing to comment on #2. As for #4, I haven't had major issues with the touch recognition anymore; I haven't played Angry Birds space, but played other games without a complaint. I've had minor complaints about being able to click links and hit footnotes in books though.

davidh777
04-11-12, 11:17 AM
Does the wi-fi instability happen on different networks?

Dan
04-11-12, 12:00 PM
Has anyone brought their Kindle Fire to a foreign country? I understand that I won't be able to stream videos but will I be able to stream my music from Amazon cloud?
I'm using mine in Canada. I have to use a 3rd party DNS service to "pretend" I'm in the US, but it makes all the services work. The only other caveat is that I also had to grab a US Visa Gift Card to add to my Amazon account. Otherwise, you can't buy apps on the Amazon Appstore (free or paid).

Why would Amazon not want to sell the Fire and make it usable in foreign countries?

Amazon most likely wants to make the Fire available and usable in foreign countries, but its a big task to accomplish. For one, the music and videos they carry are only licensed for the US, and they'd have to have to get it licensed individually in each foreign country. I know they're working on expanding Amazon MP3, but it's only in a few countries so far.

Agreed. I think if Amazon could, they'd be shipping the Fire worldwide immediately. But licensing is the #1 problem they have. They've just been really slow at getting the deals together. Even here in Canada, licensing laws/rules/etc. are insane. That's why I gave up on waiting and found my own way to get the content I want without flat-out pirating it.

Dan
04-26-12, 10:47 AM
For those interested, Draw Something is now available for the Kindle Fire. Enjoy!

fujishig
04-26-12, 12:36 PM
DC pulled all their comics from the Kindle Fire comixology app, presumably because of the deal they have with Amazon to sell titles through them.

Sdallnct
04-26-12, 11:02 PM
I'm thinking of getting a Fire for wife for Mom's day. She has a Kindle from over a year ago. Pre-touch and all that. She seemed a little miffed when I bought me a new iPad. She will use is mainly for reading and playing games. She insists she still needs a full laptop for things.

Suggestions or any deals? Is there any advantage to getting from Amazon, or can I just pick up at BB? And I guess getting Prime is a must with the Fire??

joeblow69
04-26-12, 11:15 PM
Suggestions or any deals? Is there any advantage to getting from Amazon, or can I just pick up at BB? And I guess getting Prime is a must with the Fire??
I would get it from amazon just to save on tax. And I thought everyone who buys a Fire gets a year of Prime free? or is it a month?

davidh777
04-26-12, 11:16 PM
I think it's a free month, and I wouldn't call it a "must." The book lending is nice for prime, but if she isn't watching videos, then it loses a fair amount of value. But then I've had Prime for years for the shipping and rarely watch videos. :shrug:

fumanstan
04-26-12, 11:20 PM
I think it's a free month, and I wouldn't call it a "must." The book lending is nice for prime, but if she isn't watching videos, then it loses a fair amount of value. But then I've had Prime for years for the shipping and rarely watch videos. :shrug:

Agreed, I've had Prime for awhile but I had it well before they started adding other freebies. I don't really watch videos on my Kindle Fire, but I have gotten a few books from the free lending library. The selection isn't that great, IMO, so I'm not sure if Prime would be worth it just for that.

davidh777
04-26-12, 11:30 PM
Agreed, I've had Prime for awhile but I had it well before they started adding other freebies. I don't really watch videos on my Kindle Fire, but I have gotten a few books from the free lending library. The selection isn't that great, IMO, so I'm not sure if Prime would be worth it just for that.

Yeah, if you do the math, you can get one free lend per month, and with Prime at $79 it's a cost of around $7 per month for that book. If that prevents you from spending $10 on a book you won't want to keep, then it's worth it just for the lending. Might be a bit of a stretch, though, unless she's a voracious reader who will have no problem finding eligible books to read. My wife read The Hunger Games and will probably read the sequels.

I prefer to think of the freebies as bonuses to the shipping.

Sdallnct
04-26-12, 11:41 PM
Food info. Yea I doubt she would watch movies on it. A little net surfing and email I think would be it.

whotony
04-27-12, 09:58 AM
It's only one month free.

davidh777
04-27-12, 11:35 PM
I probably would watch videos given the right situation since I do watch some on my phone and ipod touch. The thing is that I usually download and watch somewhere I don't have a connection, like on the bus. I understand I can download purchased videos but not the free streamed ones. (Plus, technically it's my wife's Fire so I don't usually cart it around places. :))

sracer
04-28-12, 04:00 PM
After 6 months of tinkering with the KF with the default OS and UI, I decided to take the plunge and install a custom ROM.

<a href="http://i48.tinypic.com/307ooko.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i48.tinypic.com/307ooko.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic" width="512" height="300"></a>

It is a barebones CM7 ROM with an ICS theme (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475054). Google Play/Android Market is preloaded. The remainder of the default/standard apps are available as individual pick-n-choose installable .apk files.

With the bloat removed, it offers more free space (important since there's no expandable storage options), performance is amazing (even smoother than my iPad2), and reversible (wiped it out and flashed the original KF 6.3 ROM to test it, but reflashed this CM7 ROM)

With the default 1.2Ghz overclocking, battery life was predictably worse than stock, but dropping it down to 1Ghz, brought it back to an expected duration.

I've been playing with it for a few days, installing a variety of apps and media and it has been rock solid... and this CM7 ROM appears to have been optimized for the KF hardware.

fumanstan
04-28-12, 04:34 PM
That's some ugly wallpaper :p

dhmac
04-29-12, 06:20 PM
"How a Non-Tablet Changed the Tablet Market"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/254672/how_a_nontablet_changed_the_tablet_market.html

Jay G.
04-29-12, 11:02 PM
"How a Non-Tablet Changed the Tablet Market"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/254672/how_a_nontablet_changed_the_tablet_market.html
That article seems poorly researched and reasoned. The author seems to think that because it has "Kindle" in the name, the Kindle Fire isn't a true tablet, and calls it primarily an eReader device, when clearly it is, at the least, a general purpose media consumption device. Amazon had plenty of Kindle eReaders already, the Kindle Fire was designed to build off of that brand recognition, but I don't think anyone bought it to use primarily as an eReader.

The author also seems confused about the Nook product line, and it seems as if he's not aware that there's already a Nook competitor to the Kindle Fire, the Nook Tablet. He also doesn't know that the basic Nook has dropped in price to $100.

He also calls an iPad a "Mac" at one point, apparently thinking Mac is slang for any Apple product.

There are a few salient point in there. He does point out that the Kindle Fire hasn't sold well outside the US, where it benefits from the full Amazon ecosystem of music, video, books, and apps. It's too bad the rest of the article is such a mess.

Sdallnct
04-30-12, 02:40 AM
While I agrees with you, I do think the Fire "sparked" something in people who might not otherwise have gotten a tablet. They gave the non-tech person a focus for the tablet use. And one that could compete and beat what a laptop can do.