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wm lopez
10-24-11, 03:47 PM
Good book on cd!
Deals with what's going on in the world today.
Explains a lot.
If you don't want to do a blind buy get it from your public libaray.

Hokeyboy
10-24-11, 04:00 PM
What does it explain vis--vis the contemporary geopolitical environment?

wm lopez
10-24-11, 09:04 PM
What does it explain vis--vis the contemporary geopolitical environment?
It helps you understand the mind set of these people.
You pretty much know about Jesus's 2nd coming and what he is going to do from the Bible. Now this book explain's the Koran's messiah which the author od the book calls the anti-christ.

FM
10-24-11, 10:06 PM
Jesus isn't a young man anymore. That explains the recharge time needed between the first coming and the second.

Dr. Mantle
10-25-11, 04:43 AM
It helps you understand the mind set of these people.
You pretty much know about Jesus's 2nd coming and what he is going to do from the Bible. Now this book explain's the Koran's messiah which the author od the book calls the anti-christ.

A book sounds too long. Is there a pamphlet that sums it all up?

Sean O'Hara
10-25-11, 10:11 AM
It helps you understand the mind set of these people.
You pretty much know about Jesus's 2nd coming and what he is going to do from the Bible. Now this book explain's the Koran's messiah which the author od the book calls the anti-christ.

You mean the Mahdi, whom the Qu'ran claims will fight alongside Jesus against the anti-Christ?

Sounds like a well researched book.

wm lopez
10-25-11, 06:36 PM
You mean the Mahdi, whom the Qu'ran claims will fight alongside Jesus against the anti-Christ?

Sounds like a well researched book.
Yes the Mahdi.
But not alongside Jesus.
Just happen to be listening to that part as I'm answering this post.
It's worth your time to pick up this book.

wm lopez
10-25-11, 06:39 PM
A book sounds too long. Is there a pamphlet that sums it all up?
I recommend this book or book cd for every DVDTALK member.
Since it's not a christian based book it should not be a turn off and it should not hurt your pride. Look at it as learning something about Islam religion.

Nick Danger
10-25-11, 07:04 PM
I recommend this book or book cd for every DVDTALK member.
Since it's not a christian based book it should not be a turn off and it should not hurt your pride. Look at it as learning something about Islam religion.Here is the first paragraph of the book, from Google Books: (http://books.google.com/books?id=GeF0m-poFA8C&pg=PA1&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false)


The Islamic Antichrist: The Shocking Truth about the Real Nature of the Beast
"In the days in which we are now living, I believe that there are a handful of issues that God is trying to highlight to the West and specifically to the Western Christian church. Yet sadly, even among those few who seem to hear the trumpet blasts from heaven, there are even fewer who seem to discern what they mean. The signs are now emblazoned across the front page almost daily, yet few seem to understand where these signs point. It is my hope that this book will contribute to opening the eyes of many to the times quickly approaching. Beyond this, my prayer is that this book will add understanding to those whose spirits are already both watchful and discerning."

It's pretty clearly starting with a "this is the end times" assumption. If you say that it isn't a Christian-based book, I'm not sure what what you think is.

Sean O'Hara
10-26-11, 12:47 AM
Yes the Mahdi.
But not alongside Jesus.
Just happen to be listening to that part as I'm answering this post.
It's worth your time to pick up this book.

Odd, since Muslim eschatology is clear on Jesus and the Mahdi being like Martin Lawrence and Will Smith in Bad Boys. What is the basis for the claim that they'll be enemies? It can't be the Bible, since you claim this book isn't Christian.

Dr. Mantle
10-26-11, 02:23 AM
I recommend this book or book cd for every DVDTALK member.
Since it's not a christian based book it should not be a turn off and it should not hurt your pride. Look at it as learning something about Islam religion.

Would this be in conflict with traditional Hindu beliefs? I need to know more before I commit to a pamphlet.

Philzilla
10-26-11, 09:34 AM
So this is like Frodo Baggins vs Harry Potter

Burnt Thru
10-26-11, 02:45 PM
My fictional character could beat up your fictional character!

Groucho
10-26-11, 03:18 PM
After reading this thread, I made the mistake of looking up this book on Amazon to see what it was. Now I'm getting recommendations from them for all kinds of kooky conspiracy books. :(

wm lopez
10-26-11, 04:33 PM
After reading this thread, I made the mistake of looking up this book on Amazon to see what it was. Now I'm getting recommendations from them for all kinds of kooky conspiracy books. :(

But are those kooky books about the people who want to attack America again?
If you want to understand their mindset of why they think like they do and why they will do it get this book.

Burnt Thru
10-26-11, 04:50 PM
Or not. Might be better to read a proper history of the Middle East, or more specifically of Saudi. There-in lie the answers..

wm lopez
10-27-11, 02:32 AM
Or not. Might be better to read a proper history of the Middle East, or more specifically of Saudi. There-in lie the answers..
That's like reading about 60's liberalism instead of 2011 liberalism.
I want to know the mindset of today's people and what they will do tomorrow.

Ash Ketchum
10-27-11, 11:01 AM
After reading this thread, I made the mistake of looking up this book on Amazon to see what it was. Now I'm getting recommendations from them for all kinds of kooky conspiracy books. :(

Check out David Icke if you want the best in kooky conspiracy books. I suspect he's too hardcore even for Wm Lopez. (But not for me.:wacko:)

Burnt Thru
10-27-11, 06:17 PM
He used to be a sports presenter on the BBC - true fact!

It is amusing that WMLopez decries the reading of recent history of the middle east as being too out of date and yet this thread of his calls for reading about a "history" from 100s of years ago. Strange fellow..

wm lopez
10-27-11, 09:29 PM
He used to be a sports presenter on the BBC - true fact!

It is amusing that WMLopez decries the reading of recent history of the middle east as being too out of date and yet this thread of his calls for reading about a "history" from 100s of years ago. Strange fellow..

What this book tells about are things that are going to be in our life time.
Now the people that believe in this religion will make it happen.
Of course here in America you have seen there's a large group of people who want to change America.
The goal is to make Islam a one and only religion for the whole world.

Burnt Thru
10-27-11, 09:42 PM
Weren't we supposed to have just gone through the rapture? Religious nutters predicting the future seem to do spectacularly badly. Can you point to any of this author's predictions which have now come true? Simply pointing to people who want change (possibly inaccurately) does not suggest that that change will come about.

Setzer
10-28-11, 01:01 AM
Yeah it was suppose to happen on May 21st of this year but got delayed until October 21st.....apparently I missed it.

Dr. Mantle
10-28-11, 01:56 AM
The goal is to make Islam a one and only religion for the whole world.

Isn't that the goal of every religion? To convert all the unbelievers? How is Islam any different? Am I making too much sense for this thread?

Nick Danger
10-28-11, 06:08 AM
It sounds a lot like what I used to be told about the International Communist Conspiracy. Only the names have changed.

FM
10-28-11, 09:40 AM
But it's a good thing for Jesus to rule us all! Not those icky Muslims.

Sean O'Hara
10-28-11, 10:21 AM
Isn't that the goal of every religion? To convert all the unbelievers?

No, that's unique to religions derived from Judaism (though, oddly, not Jews themselves). Taoists, Shintoists, Hindus and Buddhists don't give a shit what the rest of the world believes as long as they leave them alone.

Hokeyboy
10-28-11, 01:08 PM
Jews don't want new converts. That's all they need, more guests for Shabbos dinner... :mad:

Supermallet
10-28-11, 07:48 PM
Jews don't want new converts. That's all they need, more guests for Shabbos dinner... :mad:

We already have spirits drinking our spirits at Passover. We don't need converts guzzling our Manischewitz.

Dr. Mantle
10-28-11, 08:21 PM
Is this turning into a party thread?

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Nick Danger
10-28-11, 10:26 PM
I'm drinking spirits right now!

wm lopez
10-30-11, 12:40 AM
Isn't that the goal of every religion? To convert all the unbelievers? How is Islam any different? Am I making too much sense for this thread?

Check it out at the public library that way it won't cost you a thing.
Get it on book cd though. I like how the book explains why all the hate for Jews over the years.

Hokeyboy
10-30-11, 10:40 AM
^To be fair now, everybody hates the Jews. (Thanks Tom Lehrer!)

Groucho
10-30-11, 11:14 AM
I think the Jews might have more converts if the initiation ceremony involved less penis-cutting.

FM
10-30-11, 12:09 PM
Check it out at the public library that way it won't cost you a thing.
Get it on book cd though. I like how the book explains why all the hate for Jews over the years.

It couldn't possibly be the gospel of john pinning the murder of Jesus on the jews, and then catholics preaching hate from the pulpit for 1800 years, could it? I didn't know that the causes of hatred for the jews was a mystery.

wm lopez
10-31-11, 05:01 PM
You mean the Mahdi, whom the Qu'ran claims will fight alongside Jesus against the anti-Christ?

Sounds like a well researched book.
O.k. got to that part.
Now the Quran says the Mahdi & Jesus will fight against the anti-christ.
When the book talks about this it compares what the Bible says at this time frame. It says Jesus will fight the anti-christ & false prophet.
When Jesus defeats the two the people will see who the messiah is.

Sean O'Hara
10-31-11, 06:34 PM
Since it's not a christian based book it should not be a turn off and it should not hurt your pride.

O.k. got to that part.
Now the Quran says the Mahdi & Jesus will fight against the anti-christ.
When the book talks about this it compares what the Bible says at this time frame. It says Jesus will fight the anti-christ & false prophet.
When Jesus defeats the two the people will see who the messiah is.

So it's not a Christian book, but it predicts the end of the world based upon the Bible? Okay, laughing boy.

Supermallet
11-01-11, 10:12 AM
I always found it strange that Jesus, who professed love and "turn the other cheek" and so on, would round out his career in the biggest cosmic knockout, drag down fight ever. Isn't that roughly the same plot as Rambo III?

Hokeyboy
11-01-11, 02:13 PM
Rambo: First Blood Part II is something of a Christ power-fantasy with a Hollywood ending, if you think about it. He's betrayed by Charles Napier/Judas, tortured, sentenced to death, gets a pep talk from Richard Crenna, who's God anyhow, and instead of crucifixion/rebirth, he ends up bustin' loose from his captors, rescuing several captive souls and opens a can of whup-ass revenge on Judas back at homebase. Throw in a hot Asian chick and a helicopter battle, and you have some serious righteousness with a Sid Sheinberg-styled "Love Conquers All" glossy coating. I need to lie down.

Solid Snake
11-01-11, 04:21 PM
Rambo: First Blood Part II is something of a Christ power-fantasy with a Hollywood ending, if you think about it. He's betrayed by Charles Napier/Judas, tortured, sentenced to death, gets a pep talk from Richard Crenna, who's God anyhow, and instead of crucifixion/rebirth, he ends up bustin' loose from his captors, rescuing several captive souls and opens a can of whup-ass revenge on Judas back at homebase. Throw in a hot Asian chick and a helicopter battle, and you have some serious righteousness with a Sid Sheinberg-styled "Love Conquers All" glossy coating. I need to lie down.

....you're so awesome.

wm lopez
11-01-11, 06:27 PM
I always found it strange that Jesus, who professed love and "turn the other cheek" and so on, would round out his career in the biggest cosmic knockout, drag down fight ever. Isn't that roughly the same plot as Rambo III?
It's a good move and here's why.
Because Jesus let himself get the bad treatment his 1st visit and by dying left his story to be told for generations to come and there would be those that believe and those that don't believe. Now upon Jesus 2nd trip back he's going to kick butt to the bad guy. What do you expect him to do forgive Satan?
If you said yes.
Well, Satan is chained for 1,000 years pretty much like being sent to jail and then is freed. So what does Satan do? He again tries to fight against Jesus and that's when Satan is thrown into the lake of fire forever.

Groucho
11-01-11, 07:06 PM
Satan has been chained for the last 1000 years? I thought he was running around possessing people and turning dudes gay.

Nick Danger
11-01-11, 07:21 PM
No no no no. Satan was chained for 1000 years at the time Revelations was written. He's been running around loose since the 11th century.

Hokeyboy
11-01-11, 07:48 PM
Did... did wm lopez just internalize my First Blood take? I feel so violated... :(

Burnt Thru
11-02-11, 05:01 AM
Who's the hot asian chick in the bible? Also, is there a porn version?

FM
11-02-11, 09:20 AM
Who's the hot asian chick in the bible? Also, is there a porn version?

Um, have you read the Bible? It is porn! Got dudes doing their daughters, got dudes offering up their daughters for mass rape to protect angels, got dudes buying and selling women.

wm lopez
11-02-11, 06:14 PM
Satan has been chained for the last 1000 years? I thought he was running around possessing people and turning dudes gay. Upon Jesus 2nd coming that's when Satan is chained for 1,000 years. This has not happened yet.
Jesus for 1,000 years rules on earth and then Satan is freed and Satan gathers armies for one last battle. Then Satan is thrown into the lake of fire forever.
Something to think about what bunch of idiots would follow Satan after being ruled by Jesus for 1,000 years? People who don't like the way Jesus is running things. Liberals maybe?:lol:

Sean O'Hara
11-02-11, 06:27 PM
Upon Jesus 2nd coming that's when Satan is chained for 1,000 years. This has not happened yet.

Happened in 69 AD. The Romans were waiting for him.

Did you think Jesus lied when he promised his followers he'd be back within their lifetime?

Sheff
11-02-11, 10:03 PM
Um, have you read the Bible? It is porn! Got dudes doing their daughters, got dudes offering up their daughters for mass rape to protect angels, got dudes buying and selling women.

http://i.imgur.com/hpONL.jpg

Burnt Thru
11-03-11, 05:17 AM
Happened in 69 AD. The Romans were waiting for him.

Did you think Jesus lied when he promised his followers he'd be back within their lifetime?
But, but, but.. None of those words mean what you think they mean. Honest!

Now lets go out and kill all the gays like the bible tells us to.

wm lopez
11-03-11, 07:11 PM
But, but, but.. None of those words mean what you think they mean. Honest!

Now lets go out and kill all the gays like the bible tells us to.
Where does it say that?
Only part I can remember is the Sodomon & Goremorra cities being destroyed by God.

Nick Danger
11-04-11, 07:08 AM
Where does it say that?
Only part I can remember is the Sodomon & Goremorra cities being destroyed by God.

http://scripturetext.com/leviticus/20-13.htm

majorjoe23
11-05-11, 12:33 AM
Upon Jesus 2nd coming that's when Satan is chained for 1,000 years. This has not happened yet.
Jesus for 1,000 years rules on earth and then Satan is freed and Satan gathers armies for one last battle. Then Satan is thrown into the lake of fire forever.
Something to think about what bunch of idiots would follow Satan after being ruled by Jesus for 1,000 years? People who don't like the way Jesus is running things. Liberals maybe?:lol:

But Obama is Jesus. So what you're saying is YOU follow the devil!

BOOM, TWIST!

wm lopez
11-05-11, 11:18 PM
http://scripturetext.com/leviticus/20-13.htm
O.k., I remember those now. But that was a point in the start of mankind when God just handed out or was about to hand out the 10 commandments.
So he was laying down the law. Now can some goof go and kill off gays and say it's in the Bible so he did it? No.
What the gays do is between the gays and God on judgement day.

wm lopez
11-05-11, 11:28 PM
But Obama is Jesus. So what you're saying is YOU follow the devil!

BOOM, TWIST!

Here's where we are at as far as Bible book of Revelation.
The whole world is in deep trouble as far economy goes. This is going to lead to a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Watch the news and it's never been like this with all forums of government failing. Kinda hard to imagine America having to join a One World Order but as you see the protesters on Wall St. would love that.
So when you see the One World Order there has to be a leader of this.
The ant-christ will be the leader.
Just finished the book cd and I rate it B. Only the last disc which is 9 was boring. If disc 1 & 2 don't keep your interest don't listen anymore and pop in Radiohead cds.

Troy Stiffler
11-06-11, 08:59 AM
Liberals maybe?:lol:

That stuff is all fake. But the idea of liberals following Satan is funny. He'd have the most unreliable minions ever. What a management nightmare.

If a biblical apocalypse does come during my lifetime, that would be kick ass. We'll fight back to back, Mr. Lopez.

wm lopez
11-06-11, 03:28 PM
That stuff is all fake. But the idea of liberals following Satan is funny. He'd have the most unreliable minions ever. What a management nightmare.

If a biblical apocalypse does come during my lifetime, that would be kick ass. We'll fight back to back, Mr. Lopez.

Get this book so you can see what your in for.

Burnt Thru
11-07-11, 05:37 AM
O.k., I remember those now. But that was a point in the start of mankind when God just handed out or was about to hand out the 10 commandments.
So he was laying down the law. Now can some goof go and kill off gays and say it's in the Bible so he did it? No.
What the gays do is between the gays and God on judgement day.
Can you please tell us at what point in the bible the things God says actually count please. This would be useful information.

PopcornTreeCt
11-07-11, 01:13 PM
Mmm... Radiohead.

I didn't know the bible actually had that written about gay people. I had heard from other people but seeing it written, damn. That shit ain't right.

I think that the same people crying about a new world order, the anti-christ and the end days are the same people that actually want those things to happen. They don't find a lot of meaning in their lives so they want to be a part of something big and what could be bigger than the coming apocalypse? The movie "Melancholia" speaks to that a certain extant. The end of the world is not something to be romanticized. Jesus and his pals won't be descending from the heavens to save you. It will just end.

wm lopez
11-07-11, 07:05 PM
Mmm... Radiohead.

I didn't know the bible actually had that written about gay people. I had heard from other people but seeing it written, damn. That shit ain't right.

I think that the same people crying about a new world order, the anti-christ and the end days are the same people that actually want those things to happen. They don't find a lot of meaning in their lives so they want to be a part of something big and what could be bigger than the coming apocalypse? The movie "Melancholia" speaks to that a certain extant. The end of the world is not something to be romanticized. Jesus and his pals won't be descending from the heavens to save you. It will just end.

That's why this book is good reading for people that think like you.
You have heard the Christian side now here is the side from the fastest growing religion.

wm lopez
11-07-11, 07:08 PM
Can you please tell us at what point in the bible the things God says actually count please. This would be useful information. It all counts. But you have to read it from beginning to end and things take a twist when Jesus is born.

Sean O'Hara
11-07-11, 07:21 PM
So later parts of the Bible contradict earlier ones? Then God changed his mind, which means he is not omniscient and infallible, which means that at least some claims in the Bible are lies.

Therefore, why should I listen to anything he says?

wm lopez
11-08-11, 07:22 PM
So later parts of the Bible contradict earlier ones? Then God changed his mind, which means he is not omniscient and infallible, which means that at least some claims in the Bible are lies.

Therefore, why should I listen to anything he says?
No, it's kinda like at 1st he made Adam & Eve so when that didn't turn out right he had the Noah's ark flood thing to start over. When that didn't work out God tried Moses, then King David, King Soloman and then God sent Jesus.
Bottom line is Jesus is that last chance God has given mankind and it's all in the Bible. Just cause one reads the Bible doesn't make you wise and good just look at all the fake preachers over the years.

lattethunder
11-11-11, 01:09 PM
Just cause one reads the Bible doesn't make you wise and good...Delicious, delicious irony...

Burnt Thru
11-16-11, 05:43 AM
No, it's kinda like at 1st he made Adam & Eve so when that didn't turn out right he had the Noah's ark flood thing to start over. When that didn't work out God tried Moses, then King David, King Soloman and then God sent Jesus.

You've just listed a whole bunch of failure from this "God". Why should anyone want to follow this loser?

Nick Danger
11-16-11, 08:03 AM
You've just listed a whole bunch of failure from this "God". Why should anyone want to follow this loser?

They aren't failures. God created angels, who are perfect, and who praise His name. Then God created humans with free will, and the ability to be disobedient.

The expulsion from Eden, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and everyone in them except for one guy and his daughters, the Flood and the destruction of everyone on Earth except for one guy, his sons, and his sons' wives, the enslavement in Egypt, the wandering forty years in the desert, the plague which killed tens of thousands during the reign of David, the captivity in Babylon, and the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem by the Romans were all examples of God chastising people for abusing their ability to be disobedient. None of those events were the result of a failure on God's part.

Lastdaysofrain
11-16-11, 08:05 AM
They aren't failures. God created angels, who are perfect, and who praise His name. Then God created humans with free will, and the ability to be disobedient.

The expulsion from Eden, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and everyone in them except for one guy and his daughters, the Flood and the destruction of everyone on Earth except for one guy, his sons, and his sons' wives, the enslavement in Egypt, the wandering forty years in the desert, the captivity in Babylon, and the plague which killed tens of thousands during the reign of David were all examples of God's chastising people for abusing their ability to be disobedient. None of those events were the result of a failure on God's part.

Wait wait, so you think all these events actually happened?

Philzilla
11-16-11, 09:08 AM
Wait wait, so you think all these events actually happened?

I read the same thing and never once thought he believed any of those things, instead I thought what a good grasp of Christian theology. I don't know whether or not Nick Danger believes it or not, but he does have a working knowledge of the intellectual underpinnings behind Judeo-Christian theology.

Nick Danger
11-16-11, 01:06 PM
I'm an agnostic, but I don't see any point of making the "invisible bearded man in the sky" type of strawman attacks. I can't have a rational discussion with someone if I don't know the basis of his arguments.

Burnt Thru
11-16-11, 02:09 PM
They aren't failures. God created angels, who are perfect, and who praise His name. Then God created humans with free will, and the ability to be disobedient.

The expulsion from Eden, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and everyone in them except for one guy and his daughters, the Flood and the destruction of everyone on Earth except for one guy, his sons, and his sons' wives, the enslavement in Egypt, the wandering forty years in the desert, the plague which killed tens of thousands during the reign of David, the captivity in Babylon, and the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem by the Romans were all examples of God chastising people for abusing their ability to be disobedient. None of those events were the result of a failure on God's part.
You're list contains mass death both by the gentle embrace of nature and the cruel hands of mankind. Are you suggesting that God took away the will of the men who carried out the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem just so he could get his revenge in? That seems like a strange thing to do.

As to free will and angels and all that.. surely God was smart enough to know that absolute power corrupts absolutely. He sounds a little lacking in the brainpower department in the Old Testament stories. The stories all sound like a parent who is struggling to teach his children the correct way to live. Not a very powerful, wise or intelligent god in that case.

FM
11-16-11, 02:24 PM
You're making the mistake of thinking something can be wrong independent of God. You need to read up on William Lane Craig. He'll let you know that anything God commands is just, including the slaughter of infants. In fact, the only people that really suffer in such a case, according to WLC, are the soliders of God carrying out the orders.

Nick Danger
11-18-11, 10:10 PM
You're list contains mass death both by the gentle embrace of nature and the cruel hands of mankind. Are you suggesting that God took away the will of the men who carried out the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem just so he could get his revenge in? That seems like a strange thing to do.

As to free will and angels and all that.. surely God was smart enough to know that absolute power corrupts absolutely. He sounds a little lacking in the brainpower department in the Old Testament stories. The stories all sound like a parent who is struggling to teach his children the correct way to live. Not a very powerful, wise or intelligent god in that case.

Much better.

If Romans destroyed the temple simply because God willed it, how is that free will? If God is perfect, why did he create Man so childish and flawed?

I don't know what the answers are. But those sort of questions are a lot more powerful than simply calling someone else's god a "loser." It might even get them to think about what they've been taught.

Burnt Thru
11-19-11, 07:27 AM
Much better.

If Romans destroyed the temple simply because God willed it, how is that free will? If God is perfect, why did he create Man so childish and flawed?

I don't know what the answers are. But those sort of questions are a lot more powerful than simply calling someone else's god a "loser." It might even get them to think about what they've been taught.
You haven't played this game before have you. Good luck with getting answers to any questions.. :)

Burnt Thru
11-19-11, 07:58 AM
You're making the mistake of thinking something can be wrong independent of God. You need to read up on William Lane Craig. He'll let you know that anything God commands is just, including the slaughter of infants. In fact, the only people that really suffer in such a case, according to WLC, are the soliders of God carrying out the orders.
I had a look at that William Lane Craig fella - seems a decent sort of nutter. Actually went to my Uni and attended another I've presented at, though I suspect that is where our similarities begin and end.

FM
11-19-11, 09:39 AM
I had a look at that William Lane Craig fella - seems a decent sort of nutter. Actually went to my Uni and attended another I've presented at, though I suspect that is where our similarities begin and end.

I apologize if I led to your brain being broken. But no refunds -screwy-

Burnt Thru
11-19-11, 09:57 AM
I apologize if I led to your brain being broken. But no refunds -screwy-
Interesting line in confused sentence structure you're peddling there. The effect of WLC?

FM
11-19-11, 01:49 PM
Interesting line in confused sentence structure you're peddling there. The effect of WLC?

I'm not sure what you mean, but I was trying to be playful about the effects reading WLC might have on a sane person. Any incoherence on my part was unintentional, and yes, may have been caused by inhabiting the same universe with someone as twisted as WLC.

wm lopez
11-19-11, 02:57 PM
Much better.

If Romans destroyed the temple simply because God willed it, how is that free will? If God is perfect, why did he create Man so childish and flawed?

I don't know what the answers are. But those sort of questions are a lot more powerful than simply calling someone else's god a "loser." It might even get them to think about what they've been taught.
Only some men are childish and flawed. Think Cain and Able or Alan Iverson and Davis Robinson. Or Satan and Jesus if you like.

wm lopez
11-19-11, 03:07 PM
You've just listed a whole bunch of failure from this "God". Why should anyone want to follow this loser?
But in the end only the "winners" will be with him and the "losers" will be with the Wall St. protesters listening to Radiohead in a nice hot tub.

Hokeyboy
11-19-11, 06:06 PM
Listening to Radiohead in a nice hot tub sounds pretty good right now, actually.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QiGwf6JGDc0/SiNczpvqjFI/AAAAAAAAAUY/w62K10bVNJQ/s400/National%2BBubble%2BBath%2BDay.jpg

FM
11-19-11, 06:13 PM
But in the end only the "winners" will be with him and the "losers" will be with the Wall St. protesters listening to Radiohead in a nice hot tub.

What the fuck are you even talking about? What about protesting immense greed is anti-Jesus? As an atheist, I'd be thrilled if the protests left out religion altogether, but that clearly isn't happening.

Hate to break it to you, but your favorite fictional character is portrayed as a socialist.

I'm not into Radiohead, but if the choice is listening to them in a bath tub, or hanging out with people like you in heaven, I'll take Radiohead. You've made it clear that you haven't even read your supposed holy book in its entirety, and the parts you did struggle through didn't sink in. I'm extremely grateful that you aren't in charge of who goes where in this world.

Hokeyboy
11-19-11, 06:15 PM
^Dude... it's like kicking a puppy. :(

Dr. Mantle
11-20-11, 06:00 AM
But in the end only the "winners" will be with him and the "losers" will be with the Wall St. protesters listening to Radiohead in a nice hot tub.

Remember that part in the Bible where Jesus threw the money changers out of the church? You really think he'd be a fan of modern Wall Street?

Sean O'Hara
11-20-11, 09:31 AM
Remember that part in the Bible where Jesus threw the money changers out of the church? You really think he'd be a fan of modern Wall Street?

One more reason I hate Jesus.

Nick Danger
11-20-11, 03:21 PM
Remember the story of the servants given charge of the master's money? The the good servants invested the master's money at a good return, but bad servant buried his master's money in a hole in the ground. Jesus approves of Wall Street.

Matthew 25:29 For to everyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich; but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.

The devil can cite scripture.

FM
11-20-11, 03:53 PM
Do you mean to suggest that people can take lines from any old incoherent text, and claim that the whole supports their message? Revolutionary!

Burnt Thru
11-21-11, 02:18 AM
Now we just need to build a massive gate and call it "the eye of a needle" and bung a few camels through it, then all us rich fellas will be getting into heaven - bro hugs!

Troy Stiffler
11-21-11, 07:33 AM
Now we just need to build a massive gate and call it "the eye of a needle" and bung a few camels through it, then all us rich fellas will be getting into heaven - bro hugs!

Hey, I love that line. "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." That line has kept the poor in their place for thousands of years!

wm lopez
11-21-11, 05:19 PM
Anybody read the book and have an opinion of the book this thread is about?
We are going off topic.

wm lopez
11-21-11, 05:24 PM
What the fuck are you even talking about? What about protesting immense greed is anti-Jesus? As an atheist, I'd be thrilled if the protests left out religion altogether, but that clearly isn't happening.

Hate to break it to you, but your favorite fictional character is portrayed as a socialist.

I'm not into Radiohead, but if the choice is listening to them in a bath tub, or hanging out with people like you in heaven, I'll take Radiohead. You've made it clear that you haven't even read your supposed holy book in its entirety, and the parts you did struggle through didn't sink in. I'm extremely grateful that you aren't in charge of who goes where in this world.

wm lopez
11-21-11, 05:35 PM
The part about Jesus being a socialist is wrong.
He wanted people in the world not to put their heart with riches of this world and instead the riches of Heaven. Remember the verse "What profited a man if he gain the whole world but lose his soul."
I don't get mad at responses cause I see what's going on in the world now and what's coming.
This book I recommend for liberals cause it's from the religion that hates America.

Dr. Mantle
11-22-11, 05:35 PM
The part about Jesus being a socialist is wrong.
He wanted people in the world not to put their heart with riches of this world and instead the riches of Heaven. Remember the verse "What profited a man if he gain the whole world but lose his soul."
I don't get mad at responses cause I see what's going on in the world now and what's coming.
This book I recommend for liberals cause it's from the religion that hates America.

Yeesh. Don't take things so seriously.

And I seem to recall you promised this would be a party thread.

Preterite
11-22-11, 06:10 PM
This book I recommend for liberals cause it's from the religion that hates America.
Christianity?

wm lopez
11-22-11, 06:42 PM
Christianity?
Christianity wants prayer back in school and liberals want it out along with Christmas songs like SILENT NIGHT in school.

wm lopez
11-22-11, 06:48 PM
Hey, I love that line. "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." That line has kept the poor in their place for thousands of years! Example: Poor ghetto people become rich through sports. One decides to party, sex and drugs and is broke. Another decides to marry and stay with one woman and have a family. Did both "F"up in life according to Jesus? Both became rich.

Preterite
11-22-11, 09:02 PM
Christianity wants prayer back in school and liberals want it out along with Christmas songs like SILENT NIGHT in school.
Dude, you are the master of the non sequitur. That's a foreign phrase. We'll wait while you look it up.

You said the book was from "the religion that hates America". The book is from a right-wing Christian author and a right-wing Christian publisher, and it is an attempt to reconcile current events with a particular reading of the Christian bible. Therefore, the religion the book is "from" is Christianity. Considering that far more acts of terrorism in the name of faith in the United States have been committed by self-avowed Christians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#United_States) than Muslims, I thought you actually had a legitimate point for once.

Just ask these fine Christians here:
http://marieclairvoyant.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/godhatesfags.jpg

I mean, if we are going to tar every Muslim with the same brush, shouldn't we be doing the same with Christians?

wm lopez
11-23-11, 06:42 AM
Dude, you are the master of the non sequitur. That's a foreign phrase. We'll wait while you look it up.

You said the book was from "the religion that hates America". The book is from a right-wing Christian author and a right-wing Christian publisher, and it is an attempt to reconcile current events with a particular reading of the Christian bible. Therefore, the religion the book is "from" is Christianity. Considering that far more acts of terrorism in the name of faith in the United States have been committed by self-avowed Christians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#United_States) than Muslims, I thought you actually had a legitimate point for once.

Just ask these fine Christians here:
http://marieclairvoyant.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/godhatesfags.jpg

I mean, if we are going to tar every Muslim with the same brush, shouldn't we be doing the same with Christians?

For sure now in the times we live with those Christians that were predicting the rapture this past summer.

Supermallet
11-27-11, 09:48 PM
Christianity wants prayer back in school and liberals want it out along with Christmas songs like SILENT NIGHT in school.

Prayer in school is allowed...if it's a private school. They're not allowed in public schools for the very good reason that we have a separation of Church and state. As a tax payer, would you want your money going to a public school that required Islamic prayer five times a day?

Sean O'Hara
11-27-11, 10:15 PM
Prayer in school is allowed...if it's a private school. They're not allowed in public schools for the very good reason that we have a separation of Church and state.

Wrong. Prayer is allowed even in public schools for the very good reason that we have a separation of church and state. The government cannot tell someone not to pray. If a child wants to say grace before lunch, or ask god for help before a test, the school cannot stop him. In fact, schools have to make accommodations for Muslim students so they can pray at the appropriate time of day.

The only thing public schools are forbidden to do is set time aside in which are students are expected to <s>pray</s> observe a moment of silence and meditate.

FM
11-27-11, 10:16 PM
Prayer in school is allowed...if it's a private school. They're not allowed in public schools for the very good reason that we have a separation of Church and state. As a tax payer, would you want your money going to a public school that required Islamic prayer five times a day?

This isn't accurate. Prayer is allowed in public schools, provided it isn't sanctioned and/or led by a representative of the school. If a student-group wants to pray together, they can. If a student wants to pray at their desk, he or she can.

Supermallet
11-28-11, 01:09 PM
You guys are right. I am talking about public schools requiring prayer or a moment of silence for prayer. This is also what the "put prayer back in schools" people are talking about, and what I was specifically addressing.

FM
11-28-11, 02:15 PM
You guys are right. I am talking about public schools requiring prayer or a moment of silence for prayer. This is also what the "put prayer back in schools" people are talking about, and what I was specifically addressing.

I didn't mean to pile on. I didn't see the post previous to mine; we must have been reacting at the same time.

You and I know that's what the "put prayer back in schools" people are talking about, but I have a feeling Mr. Lopez does not.

majorjoe23
11-28-11, 05:25 PM
I gotta say, a thread where wm lopez is trying to steer a thread back on topic is something I never expected to see.

wm lopez
11-30-11, 07:04 PM
I gotta say, a thread where wm lopez is trying to steer a thread back on topic is something I never expected to see.
In this case it was for all you that don't believe in the Bible and to get a point of view from the religion Liberals respect more than Christian.

wm lopez
11-30-11, 07:09 PM
Prayer in school is allowed...if it's a private school. They're not allowed in public schools for the very good reason that we have a separation of Church and state. As a tax payer, would you want your money going to a public school that required Islamic prayer five times a day? It seemed to work fine all these years till we hit the 21 century.
Then 911 happened and it's Islam o.k. and Christianity bad in public schools.

Supermallet
11-30-11, 08:47 PM
Please find me a public school where Muslim prayer is being forced upon the students.

wm lopez
12-07-11, 01:02 AM
Please find me a public school where Muslim prayer is being forced upon the students.
I believe it was about a year ago I saw the story on THE O'REILLY FACTOR.
Having said that you could say since it was on FOXNEWS it was a lie.

benedict
12-07-11, 04:05 AM
This hasn't been about the book for so long that I'm locking the thread following this particular bounce.

But if someone wishes to continue the discussion and has an idea as to an appropriate forum for it... I am more than happy to move the thread. (Feel free to PM me at th elink in my sig).

arminius
12-07-11, 01:42 PM
<s>In after the lock!</s>

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