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HistoryProf
10-16-11, 10:43 PM
McNabb falling down untouched for that safety was the most pathetic thing i've ever seen in an NFL game. completely gutless - he clearly is just collecting a check and shouldn't see the field again for that nonsense.

The Vikings are terrible. I didn't expect much from this year, but they look more like a 2-14 team than a 6-10 one.

dom56
10-16-11, 10:58 PM
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/jimrat204/Picture3-10.png

Apple Gooncha
10-16-11, 10:59 PM
Weren't they playing Shane Lectler at QB today? I was glancing over at the box score and it looked like he had a few pass attempts.



Lechler is their punter and threw 1 pass on a fake FG today. Kyle Boller is their backup and came in the game after Campbell left.

I'm sure they'll try to add someone, because Kyle Boller is.... well... Kyle Boller.

the_dude8
10-16-11, 11:07 PM
Lechler is their punter and threw 1 pass on a fake FG today. Kyle Boller is their backup and came in the game after Campbell left.

I'm sure they'll try to add someone, because Kyle Boller is.... well... Kyle Boller.

the raiders can try to negotiate a trade with the bengals for carlson palmer.

Vikings are bad. How the hell is the colts have 3 games in primetime, two on MNF, and one on SNF.

Dave99
10-16-11, 11:28 PM
Vikings are bad. How the hell is the colts have 3 games in primetime, two on MNF, and one on SNF.

because the schedules were made before anyone realized that manning would be out, and would therefore suck.

davidh777
10-16-11, 11:41 PM
I don't think they anticipated quite this level of suckage either

chowderhead
10-16-11, 11:47 PM
I don't think they anticipated quite this level of suckage either

could they continue to lose and end up with Andrew Luck? I mean Peyton is 35 years old and going to be coming off injuries. It may be he has a couple of years left.

asianxcore
10-17-11, 01:36 AM
Scwartz is a poor loser, get over it your team lost.

The fact that he chased Harbaugh down was pretty hilarious :lol:

VikingsSooners
10-17-11, 07:12 AM
What a embarrasing performance by the Vikings and sad to say, I expected it :thmbsdwn:

adrenaline78
10-17-11, 08:20 AM
McNabb falling down untouched for that safety was the most pathetic thing i've ever seen in an NFL game. completely gutless - he clearly is just collecting a check and shouldn't see the field again for that nonsense.

The Vikings are terrible. I didn't expect much from this year, but they look more like a 2-14 team than a 6-10 one.

remember the "orlovsky"?

starman9000
10-17-11, 08:22 AM
:lol: Yeah, that was pretty hilarious.

dvd-4-life
10-17-11, 08:48 AM
Vikings seem to be more interested in kicking FGs than scoring TDs -no matter the score. McNabb can no longer throw the deep pass.
Next week is a prime example of why bye weeks are bad. The Fox doubleheader games are St.L/Dal. and GB/MN.

VikingsSooners
10-17-11, 08:50 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that the Dolphins will defeat the Jets tonight?

raven56706
10-17-11, 08:59 AM
Nice win by the Giants... nice loss by Dallas...

Should be interesting to see how the NFC East goes..

CRM114
10-17-11, 09:06 AM
As horrendous as the start of this season has been, at least I didn't have to suffer losing to the Deadskins. :up:

Next up - Cowboy-spanking time.

The Bus
10-17-11, 10:33 AM
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SethDLH
10-17-11, 10:42 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that the Dolphins will defeat the Jets tonight?

No. I've had a feeling about it. I think the Jets are on a slippery slope

dvd-4-life
10-17-11, 11:46 AM
Colin (Romo Lover)Cowherd just mentioned that the Cowboys have played 11 straight games decided by 4 points or less(never done before in NFL History). I've got one thing too say about that-so what.
They blew a big lead against Detroit during that time period. Also proves that there aren't good enough to blow a good team away.
Its like the save rule in MLB. Saves are meaningless. If the Yankees won every one of their games 10-0,Mariano Rivera would never have a save. If the Yankees are winning 10-0 and give up 9 runs,Rivera gets a save if the other team doesn't tie the score.

Cory02
10-17-11, 12:10 PM
ESPN is reporting that the Raiders have contacted David Garrard. Guess they don't think Kyle Boller is the answer for the rest of the season. :lol:

starman9000
10-17-11, 12:41 PM
More from handshakegate. Schwartz demonstrating how to be respectful earlier in the game:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Harbaugh-Schwartz-and-the-first-quarter-play-th?urn=nfl-wp9711

Goat3001
10-17-11, 12:53 PM
He needs to quit his bitching. You let Alex Smith beat you at home. You don't deserve a handshake.

CRM114
10-17-11, 02:46 PM
Eagles should get David Garrard and jettison "Mr. Dream Team" Vince Young.

aktick
10-17-11, 02:50 PM
He needs to quit his bitching. You let Alex Smith beat you at home. You don't deserve a handshake.

They both come across as jackasses to me. :lol:

CRM114
10-17-11, 02:51 PM
More from handshakegate. Schwartz demonstrating how to be respectful earlier in the game:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Harbaugh-Schwartz-and-the-first-quarter-play-th?urn=nfl-wp9711

:lol: Screw that Lions guy. He had it coming. He was pretty full of himself up 10-0.

anxi80
10-17-11, 02:56 PM
According to Jay Glazer on Twitter no one is getting Garrard:
Take one name out of search for QB, David Garrard just called me and told me he needs immediate surgery on herniated disc in his back.

--------

Garrard has been in a ton of pain for from training camp injury and MRI showed herniation of L4-L5. Says he wanted to be upfront w OAK

Kmical
10-17-11, 04:11 PM
I saw this analysis on USAToday, and had to share:

Worst go-to target: Grossman completed three passes for 25 yards to Kurt Coleman ... who happens to play safety for the Eagles.

the_dude8
10-17-11, 05:56 PM
ESPN is reporting that the Raiders have contacted David Garrard. Guess they don't think Kyle Boller is the answer for the rest of the season. :lol:

David Garrard won't be a raiders this season:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/17/report-garrard-will-have-back-surgery/

he is having back surgery.

the raiders can contact Carlson Palmer thought.

HistoryProf
10-17-11, 08:05 PM
Can anyone explain why the rules don't apply to Darrel Revis? He mugs every WR he covers constantly in every game and never gets called for it. why is he allowed to do that? makes no sense.

shadowhawk2020
10-17-11, 08:35 PM
Was there a fight between coaches yesterday? I can't seem to find coverage of it anywhere...

Daryl
10-17-11, 09:16 PM
Apparently Moore can do no wrong and every incomplete is Marshall's fault. A flutterball underthrown by 5 yards when Marshall had Cromartie beat deep - "Marshall didn't go up and get it"

Schloob1
10-18-11, 08:11 AM
Can anyone explain why the rules don't apply to Darrel Revis? He mugs every WR he covers constantly in every game and never gets called for it. why is he allowed to do that? makes no sense.

No kidding, I was just watching the highlights and while the WR was doing some himself that was just plain crazy what was being allowed.

Burgundy LaRue
10-18-11, 08:14 AM
They both come across as jackasses to me. :lol:

Yep, both Harbaugh and Schwartz are cut from the same boastful, arrogant cloth. Harbaugh approached Schwartz the wrong way, and Schwartz overreacted. Much ado about nothing. And since they won't be fined, it's just an interesting sidenote.

The whole handshake after the game thing doesn't make sense to me, anyway.

starman9000
10-18-11, 08:20 AM
Yeah, it's a pretty stupid tradition.

With the love that Ryan has been getting for being a boisterous a-hole, I imagine we are just going to see more and more of this type of behavior.

JumpCutz
10-18-11, 11:26 AM
Raiders trade two #1's to the Bengals for Carson Palmer. WTF? :lol:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Carson-Palmer-to-the-Raiders-Looks-like-it-821?urn=nfl-wp9852

ResIpsa
10-18-11, 12:26 PM
Given the Raiders' history of wasting first round picks, I consider this a good deal for the Raiders.

Mr. Cinema
10-18-11, 01:04 PM
Supposedly the Eagles are looking to move Asante Samuel, and Peyton Hillis might be traded as well.

wildcatlh
10-18-11, 01:14 PM
Supposedly the Eagles are looking to move Asante Samuel, and Peyton Hillis might be traded as well.

The Browns are telling everyone that Peyton Hillis is not being traded. Though everyone has their price, I guess.

Speaking of having their price... I think I need to apologize to Mike Brown for what I thought in the offseason. He just pulled off the biggest heist since the Herschel Walker trade.

davidh777
10-18-11, 01:35 PM
Given the Raiders' history of wasting first round picks, I consider this a good deal for the Raiders.

The funny thing is the Seattle papers were analyzing the bustness of Aaron Curry, and in retrospect the Darrius Heyward-Bey pick doesn't look nearly as terrible as it did at the time (disclaimer: I just picked him up in fantasy). EDIT: Granted, drafting is all about value and even a successful reach is a reach.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thebrewery/2016503286_2009_draft_do-over_if_not_aaro.html

Part of the article:

Here's the first 12 picks of the 2009 draft:

1. Detroit selects QB Matthew Stafford.
2. St. Louis selects OL Jason Smith.
3. Kansas City selects DE Tyson Jackson.
4. Seahawks select Curry.
5. New York Jets select QB Mark Sanchez.
6. Cincinnati selects OL Andre Smith.
7. Oakland selects WR Darrius Heyward-Bey.
8. Jacksonville selects OL Eugene Monroe.
9. Green Bay selects DT B.J. Raji.
10. San Francisco selects WR Michael Crabtree.
11. Buffalo selects DE Aaron Maybin.
12. Denver selects RB Knowshon Moreno.

No one on that list has made a Pro Bowl thus far. The 2009 first rounders who have been selected to for at least one Pro Bowl are: No. 13 pick DE/OLB Brian Orakpo, No. 15 pick LB Brian Cushing, No. 21 pick C Alex Mack, No. 23 pick WR Percy Harvin and No. 26 pick LB Clay Matthews.

Of the players on that list, only Orakpo would've warranted consideration at No. 4, and even he might have been considered a reach.

It has been reported that, if Curry hadn't been available at No. 4, the Seahawks would've considered moving down to take Moreno. They also liked Maybin, who turned out to be an even bigger bust than Curry.

OK, so who are you advising Ruskell to pick?

You have to mine a lot of busts and major disappointments to make a better decision.

Hindsight tells you that the best move might have been to move down into the teens and choose from a collection of good players in that range. Besides Orakpo and Cushing, Tampa Bay QB Josh Freeman (the No. 17 pick) and Philadelphia WR Jeremy Maclin (No. 19) have become very good players.

If you want to stay at No. 4, it's an incredibly tough decision. As you know, Curry was lauded as the ultimate safe pick. When the Seahawks took him, they were congratulated for nabbing the most NFL-ready player. He was a future Pro Bowler, for sure. He didn't satisfy the Seahawks' biggest need, but he was considered the best player available.

At No. 4, the alternatives were to take Sanchez and establish a quarterback succession plan, to take the well-regarded (at least back then) Crabtree and improve the talent at wide receiver or to get better on the O-line (Smith? Monroe?) or D-line (Raji).

If you wanted Raji, Ruskell would've told you all about his character problems. But Raji has turned out to be a very good defensive tackle, and he hasn't gotten in any major trouble off the field.

If you wanted Smith and Monroe, the question would've been, "What about Walter Jones? Jones was coming off micofracture knee surgery and would never play again, but the Seahawks still had hope back then. Smith and Monroe have had their struggles as pros. To me, the Seahawks were better off delaying the left-tackle decision and picking Russell Okung No. 6 overall in 2010.

CRM114
10-18-11, 01:38 PM
Yeah, it's a pretty stupid tradition.

With the love that Ryan has been getting for being a boisterous a-hole, I imagine we are just going to see more and more of this type of behavior.

Rex has nothing on his pop. :bow:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_drUMJ9HF-tQ/SgRDAnXkY5I/AAAAAAAAIOA/Q_8LLG8GjnE/s400/buddy_ryan.jpg

kenbuzz
10-18-11, 01:59 PM
Carson Palmer traded to Raiders

Linky: http://nfl.si.com/2011/10/18/raiders-snag-carson-palmer-from-bengals/
Raiders snag Carson Palmer from Bengals
SI.com 50 minutes ago

With Jason Campbell on the shelf for several weeks with a collarbone injury, the 4-2 Oakland Raiders pried a disgruntled Carson Palmer out of Cincinnati Tuesday. The trade is contingent on Palmer passing a physical. The Raiders will send the Bengals a 2012 first-round draft pick and a conditional 2013 pick for the 31-year-old Palmer. The 2013 selection reportedly will be a first-round pick if Oakland wins one or more playoff game this season. Otherwise, the Raiders will send a second-rounder to Cincinnati.

Palmer demanded a trade this offseason, threatening to retire if Cincinnati didn’t comply. When the Bengals refused to deal him, Palmer simply stayed away — he never formally retired but also did not join Cincinnati for the preseason or any portion of the regular season. As late as Monday, Cincinnati head coach Marvin Lewis reiterated that the team would not trade Palmer. “I can’t speak for the Raiders, but our organization is very firm in the statement that Carson is retired,” Lewis said on the NFL Network.

But with the Raiders desperate enough to throw at least one, and possibly two, first-round picks Cincinnati’s way, the Bengals finally budged. Making the whole result even better for the Bengals is that rookie Andy Dalton, the 35th-overall pick in the 2011 draft, has filled Palmer’s position admirably, guiding Cincinnati to a 4-2 start and second place in the AFC North.

The Raiders, meanwhile, had only backup Kyle Boller, who hasn’t started since 2009, and rookie Terrelle Pryor left at the QB spot. “If you’re a quarterback out there and you want to come play for the Raiders, give us a call,” Oakland coach Hue Jackson said Monday.

While Oakland figures to drop Palmer right into the starting lineup, how effective he’ll be remains to be seen. With the lockout and his standoff in Cincinnati, Palmer hasn’t seen any live action since Jan. 2 against Baltimore.

The Raiders will be counting on Palmer to step in and deliver — especially since this move clarifies that Oakland is going all out to make the playoffs this season. By dealing their first-rounder in 2012, Oakland is now without a pick for the upcoming draft’s first four rounds. Oakland traded its 2012 second-rounder to New England as part of a deal that landed the Raiders a third- and fourth-rounder in the 2011 draft. The Raiders then used their 2012 third-round pick to select Terrelle Pryor in the supplemental draft, and their fourth-round pick belongs to the Redskins following the Jason Campbell trade.

So, if you’re keeping score, Oakland has coughed up three picks in next April’s draft for three separate quarterbacks.

The Raiders briefly pursued free-agent QB David Garrard, prior to this trade — Garrard was released by the Jaguars just before the start of the regular season. However, Garrard will undergo back surgery shortly, which eliminated him from Oakland’s list of options. A bonus in this most recent trade for Cincinnati: Oakland reportedly will pick up all of Palmer’s remaining salary for 2011 — he was set to earn $11.5 million over a full season. Palmer’s contract actually runs through the 2014 season, and he’s still on the books for $38.5 million over that stretch.

Campbell, meanwhile, will be a free agent after the 2011 season, so it’s possible he has played his last down in Oakland.

kenbuzz
10-18-11, 02:05 PM
Bengals get a 1st rounder in the 2012 draft, plus a 1st or 2nd in 2013 - depending on whether Oakland wins a playoff game this year (1st) or not (2nd).

Wow!

http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/4977/10/4977_1318952153.jpg

sleepyhead55
10-18-11, 02:08 PM
Raiders trade two #1's to the Bengals for Carson Palmer. WTF? :lol:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Carson-Palmer-to-the-Raiders-Looks-like-it-821?urn=nfl-wp9852

They only get the second #1 pick (OAK 2013 one) if the Raiders win a 2011 playoff game. Otherwise it's the first rounder in 2012 and a second rounder in 2013.

Regardless, great trade by Cinci.

The funny thing is the Seattle papers were analyzing the bustness of Aaron Curry, and in retrospect the Darrius Heyward-Bey pick doesn't look nearly as terrible as it did at the time (disclaimer: I just picked him up in fantasy).

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thebrewery/2016503286_2009_draft_do-over_if_not_aaro.html

Part of the article:

I also picked up Heyward-Bey in fantasy and I think I'll hold onto him. Back to the list you posted, I think Andre Smith has improved but there still a lot of busts/disappointments on that list. Maybin isn't even with the Bills, Jason Smith has struggled, Jackson isn't an impact player and Curry is gone.

I think the 2005 first round is also bad in terms of early busts too.

VikingsSooners
10-18-11, 02:45 PM
Is Al Davis still alive? :lol:

kenbuzz
10-18-11, 02:54 PM
Is Al Davis still alive? :lol:

JUST WIN (now) BABY

dvd-4-life
10-18-11, 03:43 PM
Has Carson Palmer ever won a playoff game?
Whats the NFC East playoff record over the past 5 years?
What NFL QB leads the league in 3 and out this season?

dvd-4-life
10-18-11, 03:45 PM
Ponder to start at QB for the Vikings against Green Bay. Don't know if McNabb is back-up or No. 3 .

starman9000
10-18-11, 03:53 PM
I was hoping they'd trade McNabb to the Raiders for some pretzels, but the Palmer deal killed that.

VikingsSooners
10-18-11, 04:12 PM
Ponder to start at QB for the Vikings against Green Bay. Don't know if McNabb is back-up or No. 3 .

Thank god! Vikings will win against the Packers!

Dr_Evil
10-18-11, 04:21 PM
I was hoping they'd trade McNabb to the Raiders for some pretzels, but the Palmer deal killed that.

Raiders probably would have given at least a 1st for him ;)

HistoryProf
10-18-11, 05:14 PM
Lions traded Jerome Harrison and a 7th round pick for Ronnie Brown. I like it.

dvd-4-life
10-18-11, 05:17 PM
Thank god! Vikings will win against the Packers!

I don't know about that. They tanked it against the Bears in their last game. But then,their owner had a big smile on his face when his team was getting their asses kicked .

wildcatlh
10-18-11, 05:26 PM
Lions traded Jerome Harrison and a 7th round pick for Ronnie Brown. I like it.

I do too. Trade works for both teams. Brown wasn't fitting in well with Philly, but he knows the Lions' Offensive Coordinator. Harrison played very well as the Eagles' backup RB last year.

VikingsSooners
10-18-11, 06:26 PM
As horrible and cheap as Michael Brown has been as a owner for the Bengals, I have to give him credit for that trade! The Bengals is going to be a good team in the future but they still need to fire Marvin Lewis

the_dude8
10-19-11, 12:58 AM
As horrible and cheap as Michael Brown has been as a owner for the Bengals, I have to give him credit for that trade! The Bengals is going to be a good team in the future but they still need to fire Marvin Lewis

they could use one of their 1st rounder and select a RB.

davidh777
10-19-11, 08:32 AM
RIP former Bills C Kent Hull at only 50 years old :sad:

ctyankee
10-19-11, 10:42 AM
The thing about the Carson Palmer trade to me is that it's a different era for rookies with the new contract with a rookie scale and five-year contracts.

So, the Bengals will be getting much more bang for the buck than in the past. It's also the reason that the Patriots won't be trading down in the draft as much as they did in the past. First rounders just became a better deal than they used to be.

Even when Palmer was playing I didn't see him play much because the Bengals weren't on TV much. But, post injury he never seemed the same. No doubt the Raiders running game will help take the pressure off so ... time will tell.

CRM114
10-19-11, 10:48 AM
I do too. Trade works for both teams. Brown wasn't fitting in well with Philly, but he knows the Lions' Offensive Coordinator. Harrison played very well as the Eagles' backup RB last year.

Ronnie Brown had 13 carries with the Eagles. I have no idea how they made this assessment. They never even bothered to use him in short yardage more than a couple times.

CRM114
10-19-11, 10:49 AM
As horrible and cheap as Michael Brown has been as a owner for the Bengals, I have to give him credit for that trade! The Bengals is going to be a good team in the future but they still need to fire Marvin Lewis

:lol: What makes you think an additional #1 and #2 is going to make the Bengals good?

But, post injury he never seemed the same. No doubt the Raiders running game will help take the pressure off so ... time will tell.

Yeah, it seems a lot to give up for someone who either has lost it or was just tainted with Bengal stink. I guess we'll find out. But I thought it was humorous that Carson won't play for the Bengals but he will play for Oakland.

VikingsSooners
10-19-11, 04:40 PM
:lol: What makes you think an additional #1 and #2 is going to make the Bengals good?



Yeah, it seems a lot to give up for someone who either has lost it or was just tainted with Bengal stink. I guess we'll find out. But I thought it was humorous that Carson won't play for the Bengals but he will play for Oakland.

I am not talking about the #1 and #2, I am talking about that now they have a bright future in Andy Dalton and AJ Green and their defense is good, look at their record now, 4-2, they might get in the playoffs this year and will get better

sharkstank
10-19-11, 08:58 PM
I do too. Trade works for both teams. Brown wasn't fitting in well with Philly, but he knows the Lions' Offensive Coordinator. Harrison played very well as the Eagles' backup RB last year.

Doesn't matter anymore, trade was voided due to Harrison's "health"

ctyankee
10-20-11, 09:26 AM
I am not talking about the #1 and #2, I am talking about that now they have a bright future in Andy Dalton and AJ Green and their defense is good, look at their record now, 4-2, they might get in the playoffs this year and will get better

Perhaps so. Plus a couple good drafts CAN make all the difference. Someone suggested that they should take a running back. Cedric Benson is almost averaging 4 yards a carry (458 years for the year) so I'm not seeing that as a critical need nor would I use a first rounder on a RB. Running backs seem to last about five years in this league before they get beat up. I'd rather take a big boy on the line and get 8 years out of him. A couple good draft picks on top of the Bengals own draft picks and I don't see any reason why they can't be challenging for a title. If someone says 'yeah, but it's Cincinnati', I'd say yeah, but it's Detroit. Things change.

starman9000
10-20-11, 09:39 AM
I didn't think about it till hearing it on the radio today, the Raiders only have a 5th rounder left in the next draft, and they used 3 picks from the same draft on QBs. :lol:

sauce07
10-20-11, 11:18 AM
The last 3 Redskin starting QB's all pretty much ended their careers on Sunday. Weird.

ctyankee
10-20-11, 11:48 AM
I didn't think about it till hearing it on the radio today, the Raiders only have a 5th rounder left in the next draft, and they used 3 picks from the same draft on QBs. :lol:

It's do or die, but at least you can't say they don't have a strategy. In the parlance of our time, they are 'all in.'

This is a QB league where the failure rate at that position is the greatest of the skill positions. Not even close. So, I can't really kill the Raiders for taking a flier on Terelle Pryor (remembering this is a pre-Palmer decision). As for the other two picks, will we still be laughing if Palmer leads them to the Super Bowl?

Trevor
10-20-11, 11:57 AM
The last 3 Redskin starting QB's all pretty much ended their careers on Sunday. Weird.
Wow, that was weird. Probably true, at least as NFL starters most likely. I can see all three being backups for awhile.