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Rival11
09-08-11, 02:38 PM
Nice thread title huh? Just the title of the game - good stuff huh?

Well anyway......Max is ready to hangout again in March 2012:

http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/news/upload/maxpayne3coming2012_poster.jpg


Today, we're proud to announce that Max Payne 3 - the new dark, gritty action experience that continues the tale of former New York City detective Max Payne and is sure to satisfy both newcomers and veterans to the historic franchise alike - is expected to launch on the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC in March 2012 in North America and Europe.

Still haunted by the memories of his traumatic past, Max begins a new life working private security protecting a wealthy industrialist and his family in Sao Paulo, Brazil. When gangs target the family under his protection, Max is forced to fight to save his clients and clear his name, in a bid to, once and for all, rid himself of the demons that have tortured him for far too long.

A true cross-studio collaboration between Rockstar Games’ global development teams that picks up from where series creator Remedy Entertainment's Max Payne 2 left off, Max Payne 3 utilizes cutting edge technology for a seamless, cinematic action experience, incorporating the latest advances in Natural Motion physics as well as a brand new iteration of the Rockstar Advanced Game Engine, resulting in highly-refined gameplay with an extensive range of realistic weaponry, an intelligent cover system and sophisticated Bullet-Time mechanics.

In addition to an expansive single-player campaign, Max Payne 3 will also be the first entry in the series to introduce a thorough and engrossing multiplayer experience. In a unique twist, Max Payne 3 multiplayer delivers a compelling experience that dynamically alters maps and mode progression for all players in a match. Along with traditional multiplayer modes, Max Payne 3 will also include a deep reward and leveling system, persistent clans and multiple strategic load-out options.

Stay tuned for much more news very soon and check out a pair of brand new screenshots from Max Payne 3 below.

fumanstan
09-08-11, 02:58 PM
Simple thread titles rule!

Looking forward to this; the 2 previous games are some of my favorite PC games ever and had wonderful story. I imagine Rockstar will be able to continue that experience.

RocShemp
09-09-11, 02:31 PM
I love Max Payne (particularly the lesser appreciated second game) but for some reason I'm not looking forward to this. I guess it's the fact that it seems to ditch the film noir vibe of the first two.

Rival11
09-09-11, 03:30 PM
First game trailer is this coming Wednesday

Dean Kousoulas
09-09-11, 07:29 PM
I love Max Payne (particularly the lesser appreciated second game) but for some reason I'm not looking forward to this. I guess it's the fact that it seems to ditch the film noir vibe of the first two.

That was my favorite thing about the first 2 games. Judging by the new poster in the OP, I guess we won't be getting anymore of that.

Solid Snake
09-09-11, 07:45 PM
Yeah...I was thinking about that. I'm not getting that Noir vibe here. I also loved the HELL out of MP2.

Tarantino
09-09-11, 07:54 PM
I played the first and really liked it. Depending on reviews, I may get this.

nickdawgy
09-09-11, 10:19 PM
How many times has this one been delayed?

Anyhow, great series, and I'll definitely be purchasing it.

nickdawgy
09-09-11, 10:21 PM
That was my favorite thing about the first 2 games. Judging by the new poster in the OP, I guess we won't be getting anymore of that.



It looks like Max has "lost it" with the whole new look. He looks like a combination of Bruce Willis from Die Hard 4 and Sam Fisher from Conviction :lol:

Solid Snake
09-09-11, 10:53 PM
I played the first and really liked it. Depending on reviews, I may get this.

you never played MP2? C'mon, man. Get on it!

Anubis2005X
09-10-11, 12:33 AM
For what it's worth, some screenshots have shown the Max Payne we all know and love. Maybe it'll be a metamorphosis into the fat Bruce Willis dude throughout the game.

Tarantino
09-10-11, 12:37 AM
Better not be any walking on the blood trails bullshit.

dsa_shea
09-10-11, 01:16 AM
If he gets to get it on with that girl on the cover then I'll get it but if not I'll wait until it hits the dump bin.

Solid Snake
09-10-11, 07:52 AM
If he gets to get it on with that girl on the cover then I'll get it but if not I'll wait until it hits the dump bin.

well if that happens...wtf happened to Mona Sax...cuz...she survived w/ me. I liked her.

RocShemp
09-10-11, 10:51 AM
http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/news/upload/max3_flyer_hostage_640x640.jpg

http://media.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/img/global/screenshots/maxpayne3-11-1280.jpg

http://media.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/img/global/screenshots/maxpayne3-13-1280.jpg

well if that happens...wtf happened to Mona Sax...cuz...she survived w/ me. I liked her.

Given that was only a special ending on the hardest difficulty (I know cos I made sure to get that ending), they probably chose not to make it canon.

kgrogers1979
09-10-11, 11:05 AM
Better not be any walking on the blood trails bullshit.

People always over-exaggerate how bad that was. You only spent like three minutes in the entire game doing that.

And why would the third game have it anyway? It was a plot element of the first game only.

nickdawgy
09-10-11, 09:09 PM
People always over-exaggerate how bad that was. You only spent like three minutes in the entire game doing that.

And why would the third game have it anyway? It was a plot element of the first game only.

Because it sucked.

Just because the second game didn't have it doesn't mean this one won't.

kgrogers1979
09-11-11, 12:12 AM
Because it sucked.

Just because the second game didn't have it doesn't mean this one won't.

I'm not denying it was a bad idea, but people always act like it ruined the game because you spent half your time in the nightmare sequences. Unless you are a really bad player, the nightmares shouldn't take more than three minutes to complete.

The nightmares were a plot element of the original game with Max still dwelling on the death of his family. It didn't happen in the second game, and it won't be in the third game.

PopcornTreeCt
09-11-11, 12:31 AM
They've gone all Breaking Bad with Max. Interesting.

RocShemp
09-11-11, 08:14 AM
The nightmares were a plot element of the original game with Max still dwelling on the death of his family. It didn't happen in the second game, and it won't be in the third game.

What are you talking about? The nightmare sequences were also in the second game. They just ditched the blood trails. I fully expect nightmare sequences in this game as well.

kgrogers1979
09-11-11, 08:41 AM
What are you talking about. The nightmare sequences were also in the second game. They just ditched the blood trails. I fully expect nightmare sequences in this game as well.

I was talking about the blood trails...

RocShemp
09-11-11, 08:59 AM
I was talking about the blood trails...

Oh, okay. You didn't mention them in your post so I didn't know you meant that aspect of the nightmares specifically.

fumanstan
09-11-11, 10:00 AM
It shows something when the blood trails were that bad that everyone remembers them. Yes, they sucked miserably.

mhg83
09-11-11, 11:10 AM
It shows something when the blood trails were that bad that everyone remembers them. Yes, they sucked miserably.

this

Rival11
09-14-11, 12:27 PM
<iframe src="http://www.rockstargames.com/videos/embed/7751" width="640" height="360" frameBorder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>

GoVegan
09-14-11, 12:53 PM
Nice. I really liked the first two games and have been anxiously awaiting this one. I'll have to do yet another quick runthrough of the others before this one comes out.

fumanstan
09-14-11, 01:06 PM
Looks pretty awesome to me.

RocShemp
09-14-11, 01:53 PM
Looks like it has a lot of action but, aside from the cello version of the theme song (as used in Max Payne 2), it doesn't feel like an ad for a Max Payne game at all.

kgrogers1979
09-14-11, 03:08 PM
Looks like it has a lot of action but, aside from the cello version of the theme song (as used in Max Payne 2), it doesn't feel like an ad for a Max Payne game at all.

Agreed, and Max himself doesn't even look anything like Max anymore. I wonder how many years have passed between MP2 and MP3? Max in MP2 looks early 30s, but the Max in this game looks like late 40s.

Solid Snake
09-15-11, 02:18 PM
and he's got bit of a gut there..not that that ruins the character but...he looks more like a uhm..."not fit" version of Sam Fisher. Also...are we going to get Mona Sax in this? I fucking thought that character was pretty cool

RocShemp
09-15-11, 06:06 PM
Given the premise of this one, I'm guenna guess the answer to your question is "no", Snake.

fumanstan
09-15-11, 07:13 PM
Agreed, and Max himself doesn't even look anything like Max anymore. I wonder how many years have passed between MP2 and MP3? Max in MP2 looks early 30s, but the Max in this game looks like late 40s.

It seems like we see that transformation though.

Solid Snake
09-15-11, 10:42 PM
Given the premise of this one, I'm guenna guess the answer to your question is "no", Snake.

:( I want more though. All that work and to not have it continue...guess Max got screwed again.

kgrogers1979
09-16-11, 02:58 AM
:( I want more though. All that work and to not have it continue...guess Max got screwed again.

Mona died in Max Payne 2, unless you completed the game on hard difficulty which changed it so she survived. Considering most gamers today are wimps, most gamers have never seen the hard difficulty ending so most likely Mona dying is the canon ending.

RocShemp
09-16-11, 06:46 AM
Mona died in Max Payne 2, unless you completed the game on hard difficulty which changed it so she survived. Considering most gamers today are wimps, most gamers have never seen the hard difficulty ending so most likely Mona dying is the canon ending.

This is my view of it as well. It was a special bonus for those of us that managed to beat it on the hardest difficulty. Given how it was a "happy" ending, it's likely not canon in order to make the sequel a possibility.

It's funny that Mona Sax is so beloved. Especially since she was a nobody cameo in the first game. Same for Vlad. Both those characters only appeared twice in the first game but the second game supposed Max had a long and deep history with them. This was possible with Vlad since we don't see what happened between him and Max in the time between the first and second game. But the last time Max saw Mona was when she was shot in the elevator.

Don't get me wrong. I love both of those characters but the change in their status from the first game to the second was quite jarring.

And if gamers today are too whimpy to complete Max Payne 2 on its hardest setting, I'd hate to see them try their hand at Max Payne. That was far more punishing. Particularly the building explosion/fire.

kgrogers1979
09-16-11, 07:17 AM
Speaking of nobody cameos, remember the phone call from "the godfather" to Vinnie in Max Payne 2? That was the only time "the godfather" was ever mentioned in either game, so I assumed it was setting up Max Payne 3. I wonder if it will actually have anything to do with the third game now.

RocShemp
09-16-11, 08:33 AM
I don't remember that at all. Good thing I'm currently replaying Max Payne 2 (when I'm not playing Deus Ex: HR). Shame I can't install Max Payne on Windows 7. I would have loved to do a marathon session of both games. :(

kgrogers1979
09-16-11, 10:47 AM
I have played MP1 on Win7 with no problems other than sound issues, but I found a fix for it on the Steam forums.

Re: the godfather call When Vinnie is in the Captain Baseball Bat Boy costume which has a bomb in it, you go to his apartment and you can listen to his phone calls there. One call is from someone who is only referred to as "the godfather" and in the end credits it actually even credits "the godfather." I always assumed that meant there was still someone higher up on the food chain that Max would later find out about and go after in MP3.

RocShemp
09-16-11, 02:32 PM
I remember listening to Vinnie's answering machine (wasn't there also a call from a hooker?) but don't recall that. Guess i'll find out in my current playthrough.

Where in the steam forums did you find out how to install MP1 on Win7?

fumanstan
09-16-11, 03:39 PM
Here you go -

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=848215

RocShemp
09-16-11, 11:51 PM
Thanks. :)

fumanstan
09-17-11, 12:41 AM
Yeah, it's funny I actually looked that up in the morning after reading your post that the original game has trouble in Windows 7. I bought the game on Steam when it was $2.50, but never got around to replaying it.

daniel18
09-17-11, 04:34 PM
I never played part 2, but didn't Payne die in that one?

kgrogers1979
09-17-11, 05:46 PM
I never played part 2, but didn't Payne die in that one?

No, and why would you even assume that not having played the game?

daniel18
09-20-11, 06:39 PM
Because it's called "The Fall of Max Payne".

fumanstan
09-20-11, 07:01 PM
He tripped.

RocShemp
09-21-11, 06:56 AM
Because it's called "The Fall of Max Payne".

Fall doesn't mean Death. It's simply a downfall for the character since his life was still very much in the crapper despite the "happy" ending of the first game.

But what the hell do I know? I'm still trying to figure out what The Fall of Sam Axe actually meant. :lol:

Rival11
10-07-11, 03:14 PM
I thought this would be a cool link to share -> videos with the Remedy developers:

http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/19121/remedys-sam-lake-and-matias-myllyrinne-talk-all-things-max-payne.html

fumanstan
10-08-11, 02:35 PM
The previews for this make it sound like it's still awesome, and still Max.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/119/1198578p1.html

RocShemp
10-08-11, 03:09 PM
Thanks for those links guys. Makes me far more optimistic about this game.

Rival11
10-08-11, 07:17 PM
I don't know if anyone caught it either ( I didn't the first time around) but there is a quick shot of Matias from Remedy at the end of the video titled "Remedy's Sam Lake and Matias Myllyrinne Talk All Things Max Payne" from the link I posted above that is very interesting.

RocShemp
01-12-12, 05:37 AM
It wouldn't be a new game release without an overpriced special edition:

http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/news/upload/maxpayne3_specialedition_large0111212011.jpg

The only thing that interests me from that set is the score. But I'm not gonna pony up $99 to get it.

nickdawgy
01-12-12, 10:45 AM
I remember the GTA IV CE eventually hitting rock bottom in price, so I suspect this would as well.

The statue and keychain are cool, though.

No rush.

Barth
01-12-12, 12:56 PM
Pretty cool stuff, but I already have the regular edition pre-ordered and paid for. Excited for March. After all the big releases this past fall, it seems like this is the first big one for 2012.

MoviePage
01-12-12, 02:41 PM
With this being released on the same day as Mass Effect 3, I'll probably hold off for a while even though I'm interested.

foxdvd
01-14-12, 02:24 PM
with this coming out same day as Mass...I also can't see buying it right away...

Newegg does have it for 47.99 today though with code EMCYTZT1062


tempting...but I think I will wait..

fumanstan
01-14-12, 04:00 PM
Yeah, I was looking at the release date this morning too and was surprised it was the same day as Mass Effect 3.

Seems like a stupid, stupid move to me. Like releasing Alan Wake the same day as Red Dead Redemption.

RocShemp
01-14-12, 10:00 PM
If ME3 no longer needs Origin as a requirement, I'll have to wait on MP3. I love MP but the ME series is even more my cup of tea.

fumanstan
01-14-12, 10:11 PM
ME3 is Origin only.

http://kotaku.com/5876171/surprise-surprise-mass-effect-3-requires-origin-wont-launch-on-steam

RocShemp
01-15-12, 06:29 PM
ME3 is Origin only.

http://kotaku.com/5876171/surprise-surprise-mass-effect-3-requires-origin-wont-launch-on-steam

I was about to do the ol' Darth Vader "Nooooooo!" until I read this part:

Origin is required for the PC versions of Mass Effect 3, both physical and digital. Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

So by their wording, I can ditch Origin after the authorization and re-install it if there's a patch I wanna get. Right?

Anubis2005X
01-17-12, 09:10 AM
Yeah, I was looking at the release date this morning too and was surprised it was the same day as Mass Effect 3.

Seems like a stupid, stupid move to me. Like releasing Alan Wake the same day as Red Dead Redemption.

Max Payne 3 has just been pushed to May...

fumanstan
01-17-12, 09:32 AM
Cool, that'll give me time to buy it :)

RocShemp
01-17-12, 09:52 AM
Max Payne 3 has just been pushed to May...

:banana:

My wallet couldn't handle two new releases in the same day and having to choose would have sucked.

wlj
01-17-12, 10:00 AM
I have played and finished part 1 and 2, but I just don't get why this series is so popular. Very "meh" and forgettable.

I hated the dream sequences.

Solid Snake
01-17-12, 04:01 PM
Gameplay wise...it hasn't aged well. I can't think of playing MP1 again. I'll do so again one day. It's the story for me. I really enjoy the story.

RichC2
01-18-12, 07:47 AM
atmosphere for me

RocShemp
01-18-12, 08:15 AM
The film noir atmosphere (particularly in the second game) mixed with John Woo sensibilities is what really makes the games shine. The story isn't really all that great when you break it down but the way it's told is what makes it so effective.

Rival11
01-18-12, 03:49 PM
Has anyone see the gameplay videos? They really do seamlessly integrate the gameplay with cut-scenes.....damn game looks pretty imprressive.

RocShemp
01-19-12, 07:45 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/8T87jZU7q5k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

RocShemp
02-17-12, 05:08 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/JTPRPr15sW0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

glassdragon
04-13-12, 12:14 AM
<iframe src="http://www.rockstargames.com/videos/embed/9351" width="640" height="360" scrolling="no" frameborder="0"></iframe>

M Polo
05-10-12, 08:50 AM
Anyone going to start up a DVDTalk crew?

uteotw
05-14-12, 10:00 AM
With this coming out tomorrow, things seem kinda quiet. I've liked the past ones and Rockstar does fine work, so I'm looking forward to it.

fumanstan
05-14-12, 12:48 PM
It got a 9 from IGN.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/14/max-payne-3-review

I really want to play it, unfortunately Diablo 3 is out at the same time.

Rob V
05-14-12, 12:54 PM
I pre-ordered from Amazon for the $10 credit.

foxdvd
05-14-12, 12:58 PM
7.6 from gametrailers

RocShemp
05-14-12, 01:07 PM
I definitely want it but will probably wait for a sale.

foxdvd
05-14-12, 01:45 PM
I am going to try it out with redbox

RichC2
05-14-12, 02:48 PM
Getting very solid reviews overall -
Official Xbox Magazine UK 05/14/12 Review 8 out of 10
Joystiq 05/14/12 Review 4.5 out of 5
AusGamers 05/14/12 Review 8.8 out of 10
Giant Bomb 05/14/12 Review 4 out of 5
Game Informer 05/14/12 Review 9.25 out of 10
Edge Magazine UK 05/14/12 Review 7 out of 10
GamesRadar 05/14/12 Review 10 out of 10
Official Xbox Magazine 05/14/12 Review 8 out of 10
IncGamers 05/14/12 Review 9 out of 10
GameTrailers 05/14/12 Review 7.6 out of 10

Unfortunately they did away with the best parts of the franchise and turned it into, as it's been referred to a few times, a Tony Scott movie-game. So while very good, most interest I had in it is now gone, just like the atmosphere. I'll buy it used from Gamefly.

flashburn
05-14-12, 02:59 PM
What do you consider to be the best parts of the game that they got rid of?

RichC2
05-14-12, 03:14 PM
The atmosphere was always what sold me on Max Payne. I loved the noir feel of the whole thing.

Now it appears to be standard Rockstar Template #012012, sure the main game mechanic is the same, but it's like they stripped the series of its personality entirely. At least they didn't turn it into an open world concept.

It does look like Splinter Cell with more focused action, which piques my interest to an extent.

nickdawgy
05-15-12, 06:04 AM
A 9 from IGN.

I'm a Max Payne fan, the first two were great, but I might not have time for this right away. I still have Skyrim, and FF XIII-2 to finish, and obviously I can add Diablo to the list.

I'll probably jump on it when it's $40 or so.

K&AJones
05-15-12, 07:42 AM
Never played before but found the review over at Gameinformer a good read. They pretty much like the game throughout and even talked quite a bit on the MP part. One they mentioned seems really intriguing is called "Gang Wars".....

The coolest multiplayer mode offered is Gang Wars. This mode pits two teams against each other and incorporates story threads from the campaign to shape the five rounds. How a round ends dictates what the next objective will be, a design that keeps the battles fresh.

Full review here.... http://www.gameinformer.com/games/max_payne_3/b/xbox360/archive/2012/05/14/the-new-same-old-payne.aspx

Rival11
05-15-12, 07:44 AM
So it seems they took the COD route - short single player campaign (about 12 hours - still better than COD though and 12 hours for me is perfect anyway) and it appears they did a good job with the third person shooter multi-player wise.

But I have to admit, I think I'm more excited for the GTA V hype that is about to begin. Will probably pick this up Friday.

UncleGramps
05-15-12, 08:26 AM
I wouldn't call a 12 hour shooter campaign short, but that's just me. :shrug:

RichC2
05-15-12, 08:29 AM
Yeah no, 12 hours is about double the current norm. That's a pretty long ass game.

Not every game needs the filler of GTA, Final Fantasy and Elder Scrolls.

Rob V
05-15-12, 08:48 AM
12 hours is a month or two of gaming for me :lol:

GoVegan
05-15-12, 09:11 AM
Considering Max Payne 2 was 4-5 hours, 12 seems epic.

I'll be waiting for the PC version, so I've got a few weeks to mull over my purchase and wait for more impressions of the game.

stingermck
05-15-12, 09:12 AM
12 hours is a month or two of gaming for me :lol:

Same here! :lol:

kgrogers1979
05-15-12, 09:25 AM
Considering Max Payne 2 was 4-5 hours, 12 seems epic.

Yeah. It always amuses me when kids today bitch and moan about games getting shorter when it isn't true at all. Just the opposite. Games have gotten longer. Most NES games could be beaten in less than an hour. The "epic" NES games like Legend of Zelda, Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior, etc were less than ten hours long. What has actually happened is that games have gotten much easier. Most NES games were brutally difficult, so even though you could beat them in half an hour, it took you weeks or even months to get that good at them. Today's games are much easier, and with abundant quick saves and auto saves, you don't need to keep restarting over and over again. So it just appears that today's games are short when in fact they are much longer than NES/SNES games.

Rival11
05-15-12, 09:27 AM
:lol: That's what I meant - I will take a while for me to finish.

I'll stop posting now until I actually play - I know some people around here get a little hot and bothered with posts that don't pertain directly to the game only.

slop101
05-15-12, 10:40 AM
Yeah. It always amuses me when kids today bitch and moan about games getting shorter when it isn't true at all. Just the opposite. Games have gotten longer. Most NES games could be beaten in less than an hour. The "epic" NES games like Legend of Zelda, Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior, etc were less than ten hours long. What has actually happened is that games have gotten much easier. Most NES games were brutally difficult, so even though you could beat them in half an hour, it took you weeks or even months to get that good at them. Today's games are much easier, and with abundant quick saves and auto saves, you don't need to keep restarting over and over again. So it just appears that today's games are short when in fact they are much longer than NES/SNES games.I agree, except for the part I bolded, which is pure cockery.

Solid Snake
05-15-12, 11:22 AM
Legend of Zelda takes about maybe 6 hours for me...7 if I get all exploratory and shit. Cant' remember how long it took as a little kid.

UncleGramps
05-15-12, 11:36 AM
Sure, if you've played through it a million times, you can get through Zelda in no time. Back in the day, when you had to trade dungeon locations at recess or spend a few hours trying to burn random shrubs, it could take weeks of playing to get through it.

Back on topic, I played through the first two levels of the MP3 campaign last night and it starts pretty strong. Hearing Max's voice again brought back a lot of memories, even though I haven't played MP1 or 2 since shortly after each one came out.

kgrogers1979
05-15-12, 11:47 AM
I agree, except for the part I bolded, which is pure cockery.

If you don't recall just how short those games were, watch some "Lets Play" videos on youtube. People have gotten 100% completion on them with under ten hours game time.

I just recently went on a Zelda marathon maybe half a year ago or so. Zelda 1 and 2 on the NES took me no more than five hours, and I got every single item, heart piece, etc. A Link to the Past on the SNES took me just slightly longer, about 8-9 hours to get 100%.

Last month I played through Final Fantasy on the NES in under ten hours. FF II (IV) and III (VI) on the SNES were well under 20 hours.


Sure, if you've played through it a million times, you can get through Zelda in no time. Back in the day, when you had to trade dungeon locations at recess or spend a few hours trying to burn random shrubs, it could take weeks of playing to get through it.

Well, yeah, that was my point. Games have not gotten shorter. They have just gotten easier. Finding everything in Zelda took tons of time on a first playthrough, but once you found everything and decided to replay the game it could easily be played through it in five hours. Compare that to modern Zelda games, and there is absolutely no way you could play through a modern Zelda game in five hours even if you already know every secret. Games have gotten longer, not shorter.

shumway
05-15-12, 11:57 AM
That just proves their point though. You are playing games you have played and beat before. To make a true comparison it would have to be your first play through. I guarantee that you didn't beat FF I on NES as a kid the very first time in under 10 hours.

Rob V
05-15-12, 12:03 PM
Aaaaaaand back on topic... any impressions yet from the DVD Talk community? I hope to actually play by the weekend.

kgrogers1979
05-15-12, 12:09 PM
That just proves their point though. You are playing games you have played and beat before. To make a true comparison it would have to be your first play through. I guarantee that you didn't beat FF I on NES as a kid the very first time in under 10 hours.

How long a game is determined by how long it takes you to beat it start to finish. Knowing every secret beforehand is immaterial. Knowing every secret relates to the difficulty.

For example, take NES action games like Double Dragon, Ninja Gaiden, Rush N Attack, Ghosts N Goblins, Battletoads, etc. They were brutally difficult, and you would spend countless hours dying and reloading before you ever got to the end. This time spent replaying it over and over really should not count in the time it takes to play. Hell, those speeder bike levels in Battletoads were so damn difficult it took me years before I ever got to the final level of Battletoads. The years of replaying those damn bike levels over and over and over and over and over until I finally mastered them should not count in the playtime to play a game start to finish. Once you actually mastered the game, all these games could be beaten start to finish in less than an hour.

Compare that with modern action games. First playthroughs are usually around six hours or so. Why? Its because these games aren't brutally difficult like NES games. You don't spend countless hours dying and reloading anymore. Autosaves and quicksaves have eliminated that. So a second or third or fourth playthrough isn't dramatically shorter than a first playthrough. You can maybe shave an hour or so off, so a six hour game becomes a five hour game.

And so comparing apples to apples, a replay of an NES game is still much shorter than a replay of a modern game. The brutal difficulty of the NES game artificially lengthened the game, but if you cut out the time spent dying and reloading, you begin to realize just how short the games were.

So games have not gotten shorter. They have gotten longer. Its just the easier difficulty makes it appear that modern games are shorter.

slop101
05-15-12, 02:28 PM
Well, my first time playing CoD:MW took me approx 5 hours, my 2nd play-through took me less than 3, and I'm sure it can be done in under 2, and increasing the difficulty will take longer, yet still less on multiple play-throughs, meaning, you should only judge length on the initial play-through. So it's pretty much the same deal as it always was. Overall, games are longer than they used to be, but it's not all that drastic.

dsa_shea
05-15-12, 03:23 PM
What about Russian Attack? That game was epically short but brutally difficult.

MoviePage
05-15-12, 05:55 PM
If I may interrupt for a moment to talk about Max Payne 3, the Gorilla Warfare Pack (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Gorilla-Warfare-Pack/cc5d4437-71f2-4cf6-b7ce-407aba3e98d6?noSplash=1) is currently free on XBL marketplace. Apparently it's not supposed to be, so grab it while you can.

chase3001
05-15-12, 08:09 PM
It is free on the PSN store as well. Where was it indicated it wasn't supposed to be free?

Barth
05-15-12, 08:39 PM
While I'm old enough to appreciate those speed bike levels on Battletoads, can we leave that for another thread?
I'm truly enjoying this go round of Max. Feels similar with upgraded graphics and gameplay. If your an achievement whore it won't be good but the gameplay and story are spot on.

MoviePage
05-15-12, 09:11 PM
It is free on the PSN store as well. Where was it indicated it wasn't supposed to be free?

In the thread at CAG where someone posted that it was 160MSP earlier but free now. So I don't know for sure, but thought I'd share.

UncleGramps
05-16-12, 12:23 AM
Anyone else try the multiplayer yet? As much as I love the campaign, I really didn't enjoy my brief foray into the multiplayer at all. It just felt overly chaotic and it wasn't much fun.

stingermck
05-16-12, 06:55 AM
Played a little bit last night after Diablo. As soon as the original music kicked in, I was hooked. Blending the cinema scenes with the game is great too.

JHosk
05-18-12, 11:23 AM
Played a little bit last night after Diablo. As soon as the original music kicked in, I was hooked. Blending the cinema scenes with the game is great too.

Yeah. The music certainly brought me back. The level design certainly seems a little less "free" with all the cinematic sequences. The gun battles are still enjoyable though. Even after all these years it's still satisfying to shoot people in slo-mo :)

I've only logged a couple of hours, but so far I'm enjoying it.

slop101
05-19-12, 10:00 AM
Whoever directed the story sequences has been watching way too many Tony Scott movies.

Boba Fett
05-19-12, 01:54 PM
What I find amazing about the story is how intense and epic feeling the first act is; towards the end of it you realize it's only going to get darker and nastier.

Rival11
05-20-12, 12:13 PM
Rockstar definitely dropped the ball with this game. The color shifts or whatever the hell you want to call them get annoying as all hell when you're watching the cutscenes and believe me.....this game is pretty much a controller in your lap game so it gets old fast.

Aside from what most say the story is definitely NOT fucking amazing....it's generic and cheesy as all hell - I'm surprised at how many people say they love the story....it's fucking boring.

That said, there are some positives...I do like playing the single player because of the few epic moments you actually get to pick up the controller and play through....and I guess that's about it for now.

The feeling I got with this game after playing for a bit was the same EXACT feeling I got with L.A. Noire when it was released (qand I don't want to hear any shit about them not being the ones who made L.A. Noire - while they didn't solely creat the game they still had a part in things)......ripped the fuck off. It feels like Rockstar just took the 65 bucks out of my pocket.

The multiplayer is beyond horrid as well but to be fair, I only played one round but that was enough for me regardless - load times are way too long as well.

Really shocked at how shitty this game is.

slop101
05-20-12, 03:47 PM
Really shocked at how shitty this game is.Jeeze... Well, I just finished it, and I liked it quite a bit. The story was okay, though graded on a curve with other videogame stories, it's well above average.

I'm not saying it's game of the year or anything, but I felt that it was more than satisfying. My main criticism would be that the cover mechanic was kinda weak, but besides that, I enjoyed it and had a lot of fun with it.

The game I'd compare it with the most would be Uncharted, and while that had "platforming" sections (c'mon, who are we kidding, Uncharted's platforming were as on-rails as anything) and some puzzles to break things up, MaxPayne3 has the much better shooting gameplay of the two, with different ways to tackle most scenarios. So it's almost a draw between the two games.

RocShemp
05-20-12, 05:44 PM
How does the story of MP3 compare to that of MP2?

stupiddimbulb
05-20-12, 10:26 PM
Being contrarian is fun :)

Rival11
05-21-12, 01:11 AM
Ok, well maybe shitty is too strong a word but here is my main issue.....when I shell out 65 bucks for a game I want to play the damn thing at least little. The amount of cutscenes weigh out the gameplay heavily, also - the gameplay that is there could have had a lot of other options added but it's mainly just duck, cover, and shoot.

Now, with all the above said...since reaching the Favelas the game did rise up on my meter quite a bit as I realized I was playing for 2 hours straight but not knowing it until I looked up at the clock.

Also storywise....the game took a huge turn for me that I was not expecting and that added points as well - another note is the awesome feel of the citizens in the favelas - they really help had tension to the game.

It's not like Alan Wake where you are controlling him all of the time (and yes, this game makes me appreciate Alan Wake even more now) there is a lot of slowdown in this game for loading - what am I talking about? When you are approaching certain areas Max's walk becomes snail like...then comes another cutscene.

So yeah, shitty was a bit out of line - I was just frustrated upon first playing and still am a little bit but we'll see if it ever grows on me.

foxdvd
05-21-12, 08:26 AM
I am so glad Diablo came out the same time...or I prb would have felt like I wasted my 60 bucks...

uteotw
05-21-12, 09:06 AM
The amount of cutscenes weigh out the gameplay heavily, also - the gameplay that is there could have had a lot of other options added but it's mainly just duck, cover, and shoot.

Yeah, this is the tough part about this game--for a great action/shooting game, there's just way too much watching (cutscenes). I'm OK with some, and they blend them in seamlessly, but there's just too many and they cut into the action in a frustrating way.

slop101
05-21-12, 02:59 PM
I liked how each level/chapter was unique and kept the game from looking and feeling too repetitive. The only location I didn't care for was the soccer stadium - it was the blandest level of the bunch.

glassdragon
05-27-12, 02:05 AM
With the code MASH you can get a used copy for either system from gohastings.com as of now for 40 bucks shipped.

Boba Fett
05-27-12, 02:25 AM
I liked how each level/chapter was unique and kept the game from looking and feeling too repetitive. The only location I didn't care for was the soccer stadium - it was the blandest level of the bunch.

It was a tad too long, but otherwise fun.

Rival11
05-27-12, 10:58 AM
Ok so call me an idiot but the game got pretty damn fantastic in the later levels - really good shit.

And I can't believe I am going to say this but.....the multiplayer is awesome....when you first start you will hate it and prob dimiss it after just a few minutes or seconds but I'm tellin you...once you learn how to play and get your first weapons slot open....it's fucking great,

The taunts you can use ar excellent as well - the bullet time in multiplayer is also done really well as you have to earn the ability to stay in it longer.

There are so many upgrades and things to buy and the system ACUTALLY WORKS.

It's not call of duty (I'm NOT cutting it down I'm just using it as a comparison) where you notice slight variances in weapons you choose....here the arsenal system will tell you that you weigh too much with your current loadout but you can still use it - yes there is room for improvment but for the most part....when you start playing it more....it really becomes a blast - the ability to take cover & peak around corners is awesome - the game levels are designed so people can't camp - even while taking cover.

lol I played it for three hours last night.

starseed1981
05-29-12, 09:04 AM
Just wrapped it up. This is definitley my sleeper hit of the year so far. It just oozes style. I loved it.

Rival11
06-23-12, 12:06 PM
So nobody here likes the multiplayer huh? I'm telling you...you will despise it at first but after playing for a while and realizing that you can take cover, roll, strategically shoot dodge (bullet time), learn how much is available in your loadouts, etc.... you may just end up getting addicted to it like I have.

Yes, you will die bit often up until about level 14 but its still fun...the music they use on each level, the taunts, etc...

I kid you not, after playing this and then popping in COD....I seriously, honestly, prefer MP3 multiplayer.

The biggest thing you won't like out of the gate is that it doesn't feel like it's smooth at all but once you get use to the controls.....it's great.

:lol: I'm not trying to coax anyone into playing it I just think it's weird that not one other person seems to like it here.

Liver&Onions
06-23-12, 05:46 PM
I shockingly do play the MP for this, I generally avoid most MP games - but I've been playing this. I think I'm around lvl 10 or so - enough to have a couple loadouts and some good weapon mods.

Boba Fett
06-23-12, 07:11 PM
Yeah, the biggest problem with the MP is it requires you to put in work up front and have faith it will get better. Once you hit around Rank 10 or above, it's a pure blast. It does weed out a lot of people not devoted to the game at least.

Barth
06-23-12, 08:34 PM
I just finished the campaign. Getting ready to start the MP. I loved the campaign and have hopes the MP doesn't let me down. Hopefully I'm not getting such a late start I'll just get owned.

Liver&Onions
06-23-12, 11:21 PM
I just finished the campaign. Getting ready to start the MP. I loved the campaign and have hopes the MP doesn't let me down. Hopefully I'm not getting such a late start I'll just get owned.

I don't know if it's a common thing for MP games or not, but there's a Rookie area for people of low level to help keep them away from the guys who are loaded to the tits with suped up weapons, and I dig that. It helped me get my bearings.

Barth
06-24-12, 09:13 AM
Cool, good to know. Sounds like it might be something like what Gears had which was helpful. I usually always do the campaign before jumping in to MP and nothing turns me off faster when I can't even learn the ropes because I get killed 2 seconds after I spawn.
It does seem like games are getting better at balancing this for guys like me that don't jump in to the MP right away just to get leveled up.

Rival11
06-24-12, 11:42 AM
Cool, good to know. Sounds like it might be something like what Gears had which was helpful. I usually always do the campaign before jumping in to MP and nothing turns me off faster when I can't even learn the ropes because I get killed 2 seconds after I spawn.
It does seem like games are getting better at balancing this for guys like me that don't jump in to the MP right away just to get leveled up.

:lol: oh make no mistake about it - you WILL get taken out 2 seconds after you spawn but the point is not to just stick with it cause it eventually gets better stick with it to review your loadouts, learn how to shoot dodge and roll..learn the different ways on how to use grenades, don't forget your weapon attachments, etc...

The rookie levels will be locked after you get to about a level 4 I believe (which doesn't take long at all to get to) then that's when you will be thrown in with the sharks...but even still...you will get the hang of it rather quickly.

GoVegan
08-31-12, 02:36 PM
I finally picked this up a few days ago when Amazon was selling the bundle with GTA4 for $25. I'm only a few chapters in, but it's been fun so far. It definitely feels harder to me than MP2. From what I remember, the bullet time system seems much closer to the first game - where it's a precious commodity. I've already ended up restarting a few times just to get a slightly better start at the game.

fumanstan
08-31-12, 03:28 PM
I've been playing on PC and having trouble getting into it. Just too many cut scenes and flashy stuff so far and its kind of bugging me.

Rival11
09-09-12, 11:40 PM
Yeah, that seems to have annoyed the shit out of a lot of people on both consoles and PC.

Just wanted to add as well that as much as I was starting to love the multi-player...it's complete trash now....there are fucking glitches left and right and Rockstar made some adjustments to weapons and the UI that have everyone confused. Not to mention getting kicked from damn near every game you start.

Fans have been bitching on the Rockstar website about it as well.

Rob V
09-10-12, 01:05 PM
I've been playing on PC and having trouble getting into it. Just too many cut scenes and flashy stuff so far and its kind of bugging me.

This is bothering me too. That and the fact that every level is the same thing -- just a different background. I'm only 1/2 way done so maybe the plot picks up but I did appreciate the flashback scene as a playable level.

fumanstan
09-10-12, 01:28 PM
It feels like i'm playing a Tony Scott film. :p

GoVegan
09-10-12, 05:11 PM
I've finished the game now, but there were definitely some things that bothered me about it. First off, I'm kind of a video game weapon hoarder and this game hit the reset button way too often. The first two games there were maybe one or two points in each where you lose all the weapons and ammo you're carrying. In this game it happens approximately once per level. Secondly, there are way too many nonskippable cutscenes. If I wanted to watch a Max Payne film, I'd check out that Markie Mark movie. And while I enjoyed most of the sections of the game where the gameplay varied - like the on-the-rails shooter sections (bus and boat), what was up with the Dragon's Lair part where you suddenly had to start clicking different buttons at the right moment for a shovel fight?

RichC2
10-03-12, 10:49 PM
I just started the game, the gameplay feels a little off to me but I'm enjoying the interactive Tony Scott saga aspect of it, it's fun.

Nausicaa
11-24-12, 04:56 PM
So I picked this game up on the Steam sale. I have mixed feelings about it so far, mostly negative. I hate how the game seems to be mostly cutscenes, and worse than that, it takes control of the game from you to make them 'cinematic'. I much prefer the Half-Life style of story telling where the player has control at all times, even during conversations.

On the plus side, the graphics are phenomenal, and it runs great. This has some of the best facial animations I've ever seen. Again though, the great graphics just make me regret how little time I get to spend exploring the game world.

I really like the shooting, brutal and fun, as it should be. But at the moment I can't help but feel cheated by the amount of cut-scenes. And I hate the little stylistic gimmicks with the color shifting and static. Not to mention the words that get highlighted on screen occasionally.

It sounds like it gets better, so I'm going to stick with it, but does it really? I'm in the Soccer Stadium now.

slop101
11-24-12, 08:23 PM
It sounds like it gets better, so I'm going to stick with it, but does it really? I'm in the Soccer Stadium now.It does. Soccer Stadium was my least favorite level and it gets a lot better from there.

RocShemp
11-24-12, 10:43 PM
It feels like i'm playing a Tony Scott film. :p

I love the Max Payne franchise, and I thought I'd hate this game for that reason you mentioned alone. But it somehow works. It also feels like an M-rated Uncharted (minuse all the climbing). And it's definitely a better Max Payne movie than the actual movie.

fumanstan
11-25-12, 01:46 AM
It actually bothered me enough that I stopped playing and went on to play other things and never went back. I need to resume playing or i'll never go back to finish it. The gameplay itself I really enjoyed, when there actually was some. I've been a huge Max Payne fan as well.

MasterofDVD
11-25-12, 09:34 AM
I picked this up during the Target B2G1 sale a few weeks ago. It was a game that had fallen completely off my radar until I saw it on their display. The over the top style to the cutscenes is extremely annoying but I'm enjoying every else the game has to offer. The sequence on the boat was so good that if they announce that Max Payne 4 was nothing but an on the rails boat shooter I'd pray for a midnight release.

Osiris3657
12-21-12, 05:18 PM
This is on sale at Amazon for $19.99 so I decided to get it.

nickdawgy
12-21-12, 06:24 PM
GameStop had (has) the special edition for the same price if you can find it.

fumanstan
03-03-13, 11:42 AM
I finally went back and started over and finished playing this over the last week or two, as part of my attempt to actually finish games I already bought before all buying new ones (we'll see if I ever get to actually finish RAGE). Enjoyed the game more as it went along, but the cinematic sequences annoyed the shit out of me throughout the whole game still. It got a little bit better as the story went along, but I really wish those went by quicker.

Enjoyable, I'd rate it a 7 or 8 out of 10 overall. Really liked the graphics on PC, especially playing at a really high 2560x1440 resolution. The story was fun and had some really unexpected brutality Namely the deaths of Fabiana and Marcelo. Now to wait for Tomb Raider.

MoviePage
03-03-13, 04:21 PM
I played this one a while back and enjoyed it a lot more than I expected to. I did it on Hard difficulty, which is very challenging but one of the easiest difficulties that the game offers. :lol:

Anubis2005X
03-03-13, 04:58 PM
I'm currently on Chapter 12 and it's a lot better than I expected it to be. I just wish it focused more on bullet time and less on cover shooting. I suppose I could try and not use cover shooting as much, but I feel like I'd be dying a LOT more than I currently am...

Anubis2005X
03-08-13, 11:07 PM
Finished up the single player campaign today. Friggin' loved it! And when "Tears" by Health starts blaring while you're in the middle of the airport in the last chapter...so awesome! I'm probably gonna have to replay that chapter a couple of times for the heck of it.

stingermck
03-09-13, 07:28 AM
Finished up the single player campaign today. Friggin' loved it! And when "Tears" by Health starts blaring while you're in the middle of the airport in the last chapter...so awesome! I'm probably gonna have to replay that chapter a couple of times for the heck of it.

Oh the airport chapter. So good.

mattysemo247
03-28-13, 08:46 PM
The season pass and DLC is 50% off right now on XBL. Any of it worth picking up?

Kedrix
03-29-13, 08:07 AM
The season pass and DLC is 50% off right now on XBL. Any of it worth picking up?

Ditto. I got the game recently, and if there is something out there worth getting, I would certainly like to hear others' thoughts.

Music
03-29-13, 09:25 AM
I think it is all multiplayer stuff. :shrug:

Anubis2005X
03-29-13, 09:38 AM
I think it is all multiplayer stuff. :shrug:

That's my understanding as well. I probably would've been interested in another single player DLC flashback chapter...

Kedrix
03-29-13, 09:54 AM
I think it is all multiplayer stuff. :shrug:

Uck. Well that's points I can save. Next week for me is WWE 13 anyway, season pass time oh yeah! :banana:

MoviePage
03-29-13, 12:06 PM
One of the DLC packs is co-op rather than competitive multiplayer, I think.

mattysemo247
03-29-13, 02:34 PM
Yeah, I thought I read somewhere that there was some mission based DLC that added to the story of the game. I guess I read it wrong or it got canceled or something.

eXcentris
05-29-13, 05:56 PM
Just started this. Is he drunk the whole game cause the blurry stuff is bloody annoying...

MoviePage
05-29-13, 08:41 PM
Not just drunk -- pills too!

eXcentris
05-29-13, 09:01 PM
Not just drunk -- pills too!

I took those away. :)

hdtv00
08-05-13, 03:36 AM
Finished up the single player campaign today. Friggin' loved it! And when "Tears" by Health starts blaring while you're in the middle of the airport in the last chapter...so awesome! I'm probably gonna have to replay that chapter a couple of times for the heck of it.

Yea I came in here just to see if anyone mentioned that very chapter. That was a major highlight in gaming last few years. That Song was PERFECT, I almost felt like I was in a bad ass episode of Miami Vice or something. Sometime I felt like I was dude from Breaking Bad at times. Anyway great song on a great level. Amazing graphics like everyone mentioned , cut scenes not being able to be skipped does suck, but really the story was good. Tony Scott movie it felt like is perfect in summing it up.

Also grabbed soundtrack just for that one song too.

Solid Snake
08-10-13, 02:31 PM
I got this during some sale about a month ago on XBL. Anyway. I really enjoyed, flawed aspects and all. That last level is all kinds of amazing badassness.

Funny playing that game, I forgot how cheap the enemies were at times. Well maybe not them specifically but the gameplay involved in a shootout.

james2025a
12-22-13, 10:13 AM
Picked this up Friday for $10 and zooming through it. Nice graphics and gameplay (like the first two), but i feel there are way too many cut scenes. Just as it starts getting exciting it quickly ends and goes to a cut scene. Also frustrating at times when you try shooting when in cover and his aim is blocked by the thing you are stood behind. I will have this completed by tomorrow and feel its pretty good. A solid 7/10.