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jdpatri
08-22-11, 12:41 PM
September is almost here. This means two things: I'm one year older and the new EA NHL game is released. This year both coincide on September 13th. Happy birthday to me.

September totally snuck up on me I'm a little late creating my new "Official" NHL thread for the forum. The new features this year, at first glance, seem minimal but I really believe that we're going to see a much bigger jump this year than in the past -- primarily because of the crease mechanics and goalie interactions. If you haven't picked up NHL in a few years, I think you're going to want to get back into the game this fall.

New Features:

Winter Classic/Outdoor weather conditions
Improved physics/player collisions
All-live environments (broken glass, doors, checking into the benches)
*Live Goalies/Crease Crashing - run the goalie, fighting for crease position (size matters now)
Goalie desperation saves
Goalie fights
Rolling pucks?
Improved Be a Pro? (I'll believe it when I see it)
LEGENDS


OVERVIEW OF CHANGES:

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NEW BOARD MECHANICS/ALL LIVE:

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LIVE GOALIES:

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IMPROVED BE A PRO??

<iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/2KqYfoGzRHY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LEGENDS:

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Also... once again I'll be organizing a PS3 DVDTalk team for some online EASHL. We had some piss poor turnouts after the first couple of weeks. Myself included... but I'd really like to get a bunch of guys together for regular games. If you want to join the PS3 team post here and I'll send out invites that first week.

cnicholls44
08-22-11, 01:58 PM
count me in

jdpatri
08-22-11, 02:01 PM
I'm shocked. SHOCKED. that you were the first person to respond. SHOCKED.

jdpatri
08-22-11, 02:01 PM
Still shocked.

jdpatri
08-23-11, 12:37 PM
Hockey, mutherbleepers.

Kedrix
08-23-11, 12:52 PM
Hockey, mutherbleepers.

The game where spectators pound glass and players beat each other with sticks?

jdpatri
08-23-11, 08:41 PM
Word.

And the demo came out today. Get it!

musick
08-24-11, 12:40 AM
And the demo came out today. Get it!

not impressed
no reason to upgrade from 11 for me

jdpatri
08-24-11, 10:47 AM
Wow. This thread is a buzzkill.

cnicholls44
08-24-11, 10:53 AM
NHL 12!!!! NHL 12!!!! BEST GAME EVER!!!!!

does that help

jdpatri
08-24-11, 11:42 AM
NHL 12!!!! NHL 12!!!! BEST GAME EVER!!!!!

does that help

Little bit. thanks.

Kedrix
08-24-11, 11:48 AM
I do love hockey despite my sarcastic comments above. Many days in my youth was spent watching my dad yell at the television because the NY Rangers weren't doing something right. I eventually became a Flyers fan ;). However, I left the EA Hockey games alone a while back. I think the last time I played a hockey game was either NHL 2k9 or 2k10 and that was the 2k series (I probably bought it because it was under $20). I do hope it is a good game though.

jdpatri
08-24-11, 12:18 PM
EA has routinely put out a great NHL product for the last four years. The 2K games can't compare... pick up NHL11 for the cheap now that 12 is coming out. They really have dominated 2K.

chase3001
08-25-11, 01:52 AM
Not a true hockey thread until a Canadian posts. :)

I want this game, but I still haven't finished NHL11 trophy-wise.

LostFan
08-27-11, 03:03 PM
not impressed
no reason to upgrade from 11 for me

Agreed........didn't notice a lot different other than getting a penalty for knocking the other team's goalie over after the whistle.

StatMan79
08-27-11, 05:45 PM
I'm in. All in for the legends stuff that's in there too. Hopefully it expands into something bigger and better like what 2K did with their NBA series. Having the players available to use is cool, but having full legendary teams would be far more interesting.

jdpatri
08-28-11, 01:55 PM
I've been playing a bit with the HUT and I'm starting to notice quite a few but subtle differences.

When you're setting up for a slap shot the puck maintains it's own speed and physics. You can overdraft on the puck and whiff even if you're the one controlling it. Pretty neat.

Size really does matter. You can no longer cannonball Marty St. Louis into the puck carrier and necessarily knock him clean off the puck. Bigger stronger players are useful now.

I don't know if anyone else noticed this but the "board magnetism" also seems to have been reduced. You can't suck a player into the boards from a great distance anymore. You need to be closer for board play to take effect. This should lead to reduction of those bullshit interference penalties.

These are great improvements. Hopefully I'll spot some more of these realism uprades.

jdpatri
08-29-11, 12:47 PM
Another note:

Puck carriers are much more vulnerable in traffic. It's almost impossible to drag the puck into the center and wind up with a slapper. This used to be a favorite move for online-exploiters. Now, if you get bumped readying a slap shot you will lose the puck, guaranteed. I like this a lot. A sharp wrister is the only way to score from traffic. As it should be. You just shouldn't have time to release a slap-shot unless you've been offered a perfectly clear path.

StatMan79
08-31-11, 04:33 AM
I was noticing I was getting a lot better action with wrist shots than slap shots. More tips, more deflections, nicer loose pucks around the net.

The players' size determining more of what's going on is always a good thing. That said, using a smaller player who is capable of crunching guys is still a great joy. Using Jordin Tootoo in my Be A GM team in NHL 11 was a lot of fun.

ytrez
08-31-11, 08:00 AM
I miss NHL 94:( '99 was a lot of fun too.

jdpatri
08-31-11, 10:51 AM
Wrist shots in NHL11 were also more useful for deflections and shot control. A guy with a wicked wrist shot can dominate... I think even more so in 12 because it takes too much time to set up those slappers from the slot.

I've noticed low slappers, especially from the point, creating larger rebounds than in past years. Might just be Tim Thomas doing some flopping around the crease though.

jdpatri
08-31-11, 10:52 AM
I miss NHL 94:( '99 was a lot of fun too.

You can always play with the NHL94 control scheme. It's always an option in the gameplay settings.

Joeboo835
08-31-11, 01:11 PM
I'm in. Haven't bought since 09. Mostly because the Wild have been bad. They have a lot more talent this year, and my daughter loves playing it, so I'll buy.

ChineseCheckers
09-04-11, 08:04 PM
I know I'm probably the only one that cares about this but is there any news if stats for players are kept for their entire career? For example, with previous NHL games, stats for a player like Jarome Iginla would only show the last 3-4 years instead of his entire career. That sort of pissed me off for some reason. Just wondering...

nickdawgy
09-05-11, 06:17 AM
I think the 2k series was better at keeping stats. EA has just half assed it.

ChineseCheckers
09-05-11, 11:31 AM
Yeah that's what i figured...I guess I'll wait to see if stats are kept for a player's entire career.

cnicholls44
09-06-11, 12:00 AM
So I was messing around in HUT tonight. I made to the final game and I was disconnected from the EA servers which caused me to lose my game and be kicked out of the tournament. EA sucks. What is their problem this year? All of their games have bugs.

jdpatri
09-06-11, 09:25 AM
I haven't experienced any NHL disconnects... yet.

HUT with disconnects would be a nightmare. If they don't have this worked out by the full release that's going to be trouble. Not only do you lose the game and tournament in HUT, you lose tokens for cancelling out of a game.

jdpatri
09-11-11, 02:44 PM
Two days.

jdpatri
09-13-11, 02:29 PM
Okay, who has a copy in hand?

Where are all the PS3ers for the EASHL?

cnicholls44
09-13-11, 02:54 PM
i hope to have my copy today, but amazon says it hasn't shipped yet. I guess I will find out when I get home.

jdpatri
09-13-11, 04:58 PM
I got mine from Amazon this afternoon. You should be good. Played my first HUT game with legion of scrubs. I got Gordie Howe in one of my free packs!

cnicholls44
09-13-11, 08:32 PM
no, didn't get it. I emailed them and they gave me some bullshit about how they sent me the email but I wasn't eligible because i ordered mine on aug 3rd. They said that it was not automatic, even though it stated in the email that it was and would arrive on 9/13. Not a happy camper.

nickdawgy
09-14-11, 12:33 AM
The stats are kept for an entire career, except it doesn't say the team name.

I like the game alot. It's very fluid, and tougher to score. I have scored on some real garbage goals which is fun to see.

The goalie reacting to traffic in front of the net is nice. My BAP player cross checked him and didn't get a penalty :lol:

nickdawgy
09-14-11, 12:34 AM
no, didn't get it. I emailed them and they gave me some bullshit about how they sent me the email but I wasn't eligible because i ordered mine on aug 3rd. They said that it was not automatic, even though it stated in the email that it was and would arrive on 9/13. Not a happy camper.

Do you have Prime? I'd complain regardless. Get a promo cert or something.

cnicholls44
09-14-11, 08:52 AM
Do you have Prime? I'd complain regardless. Get a promo cert or something.

yes, I have prime. I emailed them and they changed it from 2 day shipping to 1 day. woooooo -rolleyes-

nickdawgy
09-14-11, 12:24 PM
Just got my first freeze. It was in BAP mode, at the end of the game. The screen went dark but I heard a bunch of passing as if it was showing highlights. Of course this happens after I had a great game, just like in NCAA.

What is it with EA and their bugs? This pisses me off so much I am gonna shelf this one for a few days and go back to Dead Island.

redrum
09-14-11, 05:36 PM
this arrived at my house today, first sports game I've purchased since the ps2 days

I'm excited

nickdawgy
09-14-11, 06:21 PM
I think they overdid the physics and their detection system. Basically I can beat on the goalie and occasionally I'll get the interference call. But I've also knocked the net off the moorings, and knocked it up in the air and across the ice.

I've also checked myself into the bench :lol:

jdpatri
09-15-11, 11:16 PM
Ps3 club up and running. Who needs invites? Bring anyone you can find. We only had 4 in the club last year. Which meant very limited games. No one was ever on at the same time.

jdpatri
09-27-11, 11:59 AM
AGHEGHGHGHG. I just wrote up an epic rant about this game only to have my stupid firewall at work hang up DVDTalk and when it hangs up a post it disappears. There's nothing more infuriating than having a computer eliminate an epic rant. I should have copied it before I hit POST.

Here is the summary.

I play HUT. I love HUT. But I need to bitch before I blow my gasket.

#1. FUCK EA AND YOUR STUPID COMEBACK AI. I play hut the "right" way. I grind out early wins with a suckass team of AHL/OHL/WHLers in order to buy packs, auction dudes that will get me coin and buy bargain players at auction. Mike Zigomanis is my only decent centerman and an AHL defenseman leads my team in scoring. It's a shitstorm but that's the way it goes. I can win easily against comparable teams... but when you're forcing me up against the Canucks and the Swedish National team I have to play conservative defense and pick my spots. I plan to win 1-0 or 2-1. My guys are slow, stupid and terrible shots. So it goes. That said.... YOU ARE NOT FUCKING ALLOWED TO SCORE ON A WRISTER FROM THE BLUE LINE WITH 5 SECONDS LEFT TO TIE OR WIN THE GAME.

#2. What the shit did you do to the faceoff system? As I said, Mike Zigomanis right? He's really the only guy on my team capable of winning a faceoff. If he's not on the ice I don't have a chance in hell and Ziggy only wins about 50-60% of his draws. Consider how many times someone else is out there? I went from winning 80-90% of my faceoffs last year to MAYBE 33% this year. You just don't realize how much possession time you get from faceoffs until it's gone. Again bad team, no faceoff wins, no fucking chance. I can't figure out the timing. It makes me rage. Bad teams need to win faceoffs in their own zone to prevent very good scoring chances off the draw.

#3. TEAMMATE AI. Why are you all fucktards? Go get the loose puck. If I'm tied up on the draw that means you go get the puck. If the puck is loose, go get the fucking puck. I think EA raised the importance of AGGRESSION and DEF/OFF AWARENESS but this means that it's just another strike against an early-on HUT team with no talent. Now these guys just stand there and watch. They're poor hockey players not statues.

All this has made me dislike my favorite mode in my favorite game. I'm struggling on PRO against the best teams but wipe the floor with comparable teams. Last year I won most of my games on All-Star but now I can't even survive the third tournament. It got so bad that during a bout of late night restlessness, instead of playing HUT I went on EASHL and since nobody from the club was on I played a couple of drop-in games. And I HATE drop-in games because inevitable you end up playing games against a team of knuckle-draggin spamtards.

astrochimp
09-27-11, 12:19 PM
I feel your pain jdpatri. That's been my biggest issue with EA sports games and why i don't buy them that much anymore.

jdpatri
09-27-11, 03:06 PM
There are just so many new, detailed-oriented things to like about this game that it infuriates me that their other adjustments have killed EASHL and HUT for me so far. I like the changes to Be a Pro. I like some of the minor tweaks on Be a GM.

And while I'm on topic something has to be done about the but-bump spamming on EASHL. The hip check worked last year. Why did we need to overpower it this year to the point that you can go flying into someone head first with a flying cross-check? Oh yeah and if you're playing EASHL, just go ahead and hip check anyone with or without the puck because it's rarely (if ever) called as interference. And the people that get most pissed about it? Yeah, the guys that do it ALL THE TIME. Shocker.

jdpatri
10-06-11, 11:04 AM
Where the hell is everyone? I've played 10 or 12 drop-in games because none of you knob-jobbers has been online. The Chews haven't even played one game. One game!?!

Anyway. More thoughts on '12 since I've spent a ton more time with it.

I'll scale back some of my comments from earlier. Most of them still apply however.

I've ground out some decent NHLers with HUT and took advantage of some pack deals this week. I now have a top line of Paajarvi, Bailey and Tootoo with a top D pairing of Carle and Wiz and Craig Anderson in goal (bought at auction). I just bought Martin/Michalek d-pairing at auction. I'm reserving Iginla and the lot of my cheaply purchased upgrade players (88-90 Potential) for when I need to compete in higher tournaments and online.

I rolled through the Pro tournies without trouble once I employed a decent goalie (by the way, you really need a decent backup because fatigue plays a roll this season). If you need a scoring spam, wrap around the back of the net and aim far post. This works on PRO with regularity. I'm still trying to score anything but garbage goals in All-Star.

Also played some online HUT. I split the four games and only once ran into a guy that was definitively better... and he was largely just a dangler with a superpowered top line. I generally take a defensive approach to these online guys. They like to spam the around the net/far post goal so I camp my boosted D (cheap D upgrades are easy to come by) around the net and stick/poke check. This clearly frustrates them because they have trouble scoring any other way.

Rob V
10-06-11, 11:21 AM
AGHEGHGHGHG. I just wrote up an epic rant about this game only to have my stupid firewall at work hang up DVDTalk and when it hangs up a post it disappears. There's nothing more infuriating than having a computer eliminate an epic rant. I should have copied it before I hit POST.

Here is the summary.

I play HUT. I love HUT. But I need to bitch before I blow my gasket.

#1. FUCK EA AND YOUR STUPID COMEBACK AI. I play hut the "right" way. I grind out early wins with a suckass team of AHL/OHL/WHLers in order to buy packs, auction dudes that will get me coin and buy bargain players at auction. Mike Zigomanis is my only decent centerman and an AHL defenseman leads my team in scoring. It's a shitstorm but that's the way it goes. I can win easily against comparable teams... but when you're forcing me up against the Canucks and the Swedish National team I have to play conservative defense and pick my spots. I plan to win 1-0 or 2-1. My guys are slow, stupid and terrible shots. So it goes. That said.... YOU ARE NOT FUCKING ALLOWED TO SCORE ON A WRISTER FROM THE BLUE LINE WITH 5 SECONDS LEFT TO TIE OR WIN THE GAME.

#2. What the shit did you do to the faceoff system? As I said, Mike Zigomanis right? He's really the only guy on my team capable of winning a faceoff. If he's not on the ice I don't have a chance in hell and Ziggy only wins about 50-60% of his draws. Consider how many times someone else is out there? I went from winning 80-90% of my faceoffs last year to MAYBE 33% this year. You just don't realize how much possession time you get from faceoffs until it's gone. Again bad team, no faceoff wins, no fucking chance. I can't figure out the timing. It makes me rage. Bad teams need to win faceoffs in their own zone to prevent very good scoring chances off the draw.

#3. TEAMMATE AI. Why are you all fucktards? Go get the loose puck. If I'm tied up on the draw that means you go get the puck. If the puck is loose, go get the fucking puck. I think EA raised the importance of AGGRESSION and DEF/OFF AWARENESS but this means that it's just another strike against an early-on HUT team with no talent. Now these guys just stand there and watch. They're poor hockey players not statues.

All this has made me dislike my favorite mode in my favorite game. I'm struggling on PRO against the best teams but wipe the floor with comparable teams. Last year I won most of my games on All-Star but now I can't even survive the third tournament. It got so bad that during a bout of late night restlessness, instead of playing HUT I went on EASHL and since nobody from the club was on I played a couple of drop-in games. And I HATE drop-in games because inevitable you end up playing games against a team of knuckle-draggin spamtards.

:lol: great post... I wish the original would have made it.

cnicholls44
10-06-11, 01:14 PM
Where the hell is everyone? I've played 10 or 12 drop-in games because none of you knob-jobbers has been online. The Chews haven't even played one game. One game!?!

Anyway. More thoughts on '12 since I've spent a ton more time with it.

I'll scale back some of my comments from earlier. Most of them still apply however.

I've ground out some decent NHLers with HUT and took advantage of some pack deals this week. I now have a top line of Paajarvi, Bailey and Tootoo with a top D pairing of Carle and Wiz and Craig Anderson in goal (bought at auction). I just bought Martin/Michalek d-pairing at auction. I'm reserving Iginla and the lot of my cheaply purchased upgrade players (88-90 Potential) for when I need to compete in higher tournaments and online.

I rolled through the Pro tournies without trouble once I employed a decent goalie (by the way, you really need a decent backup because fatigue plays a roll this season). If you need a scoring spam, wrap around the back of the net and aim far post. This works on PRO with regularity. I'm still trying to score anything but garbage goals in All-Star.

Also played some online HUT. I split the four games and only once ran into a guy that was definitively better... and he was largely just a dangler with a superpowered top line. I generally take a defensive approach to these online guys. They like to spam the around the net/far post goal so I camp my boosted D (cheap D upgrades are easy to come by) around the net and stick/poke check. This clearly frustrates them because they have trouble scoring any other way.

organize a night when we can all play. I am online a lot in the evenings, I never see you on. Some people work dammit.

LorenzoL
02-11-12, 08:37 AM
I just recently got a copy of this game on the PS3 and was wondering if any of you are still playing this?

This is my first hockey game since the early days on the Sega Genesis so I need practice but I wouldn't mind playing online with people from this board.

jdpatri
02-11-12, 07:20 PM
I still play every once in a while. If you want to play one night this week, say Tuesday, I can probably get a few games in.

LorenzoL
02-11-12, 10:56 PM
Tuesday sounds good. What time is good for you? I'm in an EST zone.

jdpatri
02-12-12, 01:56 PM
Tuesday sounds good. What time is good for you? I'm in an EST zone.

I'll usually jump on around 8:30-9pm. What do you want to play? Do you want to do some online EASHL stuff or just do some head-to-head? I can give you a few tips and tricks in H2H though I might be a bit rusty at some of the more douchey stuff. :)

LorenzoL
02-12-12, 04:18 PM
8:30 pm is good. I still have you in my friend list so Head to Head matchup sounds good. I'll play a little bit tonight to get used to the controls.

See you Tuesday.

cnicholls44
02-12-12, 05:43 PM
if you guys start playing online, let me know

jdpatri
02-14-12, 05:51 PM
Word.

LorenzoL
02-15-12, 07:48 AM
Sorry it didn't quite worked out last night jdpatri. I logged in at 8:30pm and saw cnicholls44 online and invited him for a game. Then during the second game, I saw you online and you sent the message but I was in a middle of the game and didn't want to quit on cnicholls44. After finishing up the game, I saw your other message that you were playing NCAA, so I just browsed the PSN store and logged off.

Maybe next week if you have time...

BTW cnicholls44, I was playing with the Default controller setting and afterwards I realized that I could set it up to the Classic which is much better and kind of remember it from the old NHL 94 days.

cnicholls44
02-15-12, 08:20 AM
Sorry it didn't quite worked out last night jdpatri. I logged in at 8:30pm and saw cnicholls44 online and invited him for a game. Then during the second game, I saw you online and you sent the message but I was in a middle of the game and didn't want to quit on cnicholls44. After finishing up the game, I saw your other message that you were playing NCAA, so I just browsed the PSN store and logged off.

Maybe next week if you have time...

BTW cnicholls44, I was playing with the Default controller setting and afterwards I realized that I could set it up to the Classic which is much better and kind of remember it from the old NHL 94 days.

could you hear me last night? I could here you talking, but you didn't answer when I tried to talk to you.

Those games last night were frustrating, but still fun. You're goalies were standing on their heads. The last game, I think I out shot you 39-14 and only won in OT, 2-1.