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View Full Version : Sarah Palin's "The Undefeated" at Rotten Tomatoes


grundle
07-13-11, 02:07 AM
Since I haven't seen this film, I guess I can't say for certain that this category listing is inaccurate. But still, based on everything else that I've read about it, I think that such a category listing is either a joke, or an example of media bias:


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/771245638/

http://i56.tinypic.com/2hs3h5e.png

DVD Josh
07-13-11, 02:38 PM
Nice job with the PS. It's just Documentary.

Numanoid
07-13-11, 08:15 PM
What's the opposite of media bias?

PopcornTreeCt
07-14-11, 12:16 AM
Rotten Tomatoes changed it. :(

Groucho
07-14-11, 12:43 AM
Says Documentary when I follow the link.

Not sure what "The Undefeated" refers to. Is the filmmaker unaware that there was a major election in 2008 that Palin was defeated in?

Numanoid
07-14-11, 12:45 AM
^ In Palinese, I imagine it means she still has her feet.

adamblast
07-16-11, 01:13 AM
It's just a flesh wound!

wendersfan
07-19-11, 08:01 AM
Says Documentary when I follow the link.
Thread title changed accordingly.

Th0r S1mpson
07-19-11, 12:53 PM
Not sure what "The Undefeated" refers to. Is the filmmaker unaware that there was a major election in 2008 that Palin was defeated in?

You obviously haven't seen the film. "Undefeated" refers to her record against wolves while using a chain gun in a helicopter. One wolf got close and managed to grab onto the chopper but she kicked it off and hit it with a round as it fell, retaining her title.

Superboy
07-19-11, 09:30 PM
Since I haven't seen this film, I guess I can't say for certain that this category listing is inaccurate. But still, based on everything else that I've read about it, I think that such a category listing is either a joke, or an example of media bias:

http://i56.tinypic.com/2hs3h5e.png

Watch the movie, then decide. You'll realize why they hate this movie: because it sucks. It's not a documentary, it's an ego-inflating biopic of Sarah Palin.

question: if this movie did badly because of media bias, why did Michael Moore Hates America get a 75% on RT?

NotThatGuy
07-19-11, 10:41 PM
I tried to click on a link....:lol: but I'm still smarter than SP.

Supermallet
07-21-11, 04:38 PM
I enjoyed this article from the Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/sarah-palin-movie-debuts-to-empty-theater-in-orange-county/241983/

Sarah Palin Movie Debuts to Empty Theater in Orange County
JUL 15 2011, 7:52 AM ET1544


When the clock struck 12:01 am today, AMC theaters in select cities were permitted to start showing "The Undefeated," a feature length documentary about Sarah Palin. As it happens, I'm visiting my parents in Orange County, Calif., home to one of just 10 theaters where the film is being rolled out. Watching it didn't interest me so much as going to interview folks who decided to attend. I figured I'd meet some nice people, perhaps run into someone who knows my grandparents, press five or six Palin fans on why they like her, and convey their worldview. It's my experience that the grassroots doesn't fit the caricature of its champions or its detractors.

In the parking lot of The Block, an outdoor mall in the City of Orange, I worried that arriving 45 minutes early was cutting it too close: it took 20 minutes to find parking, and folks were lining up scores deep outside the theater box office. Our airport is named after John Wayne. Ronald Reagan remains a hero to many. Even Richard Nixon's association with this place is treated as a point of pride. When I was growing up here, a local hotel broadcast the Rush Limbaugh program everyday in its restaurant. I should've known there'd be a big turnout, I thought.

As I approached, however, I realized that most people present were dressed in costume. The crowd was either showing ironic solidarity with Christine O'Donnell, the tea party candidate who is not a witch, or else everyone was there to see the Harry Potter movie playing on a majority of the theater's 30 screens. Without any way of telling Palin moviegoers from Potter fans dressed up like muggles, I'd have to pay, go to the assigned theater, and look for interviewees.

I hurried through the teenage hordes, bypassed a concession stand that sold 1,020 calories of soda for $5.25, and entered theater number 30, hoping I'd have ample time before the previews to talk to some people. But inside, the theater was empty. I sat there alone for 20 minutes, at which point an usher stuck his head in the door, gave me a quizzical smile, and said, "How come you're not watching Harry Potter?" Then he left me by myself again, and without any good answer.

It isn't strictly accurate to say that I sat through the whole movie alone. Just as the previews started, two young women walked in giggling together and took seats three rows behind me. Afraid that they'd ruined the only story I had at that point -- What If Sarah Palin Starred in a Movie and No One Showed Up? -- I hoped they'd at least oblige me with an interview, and so they did.

Jamie Watkins, 22, is a Missouri native, which qualifies her as a real American. She only recently moved to Southern California, and her little sister, Jessie, age 18, was visiting for the first time.

"So, um, what made you come out here tonight?"

"We're going to Disneyland tomorrow," Jamie said, "but she just got here, so we decided we should go out."

"We looked online for the latest movie playing," Jessie added. "But all the Harry Potters were sold out, and then we saw 'The Undeafeated.' We don't even actually know what we're seeing."

"Well welcome to California," I said. "You're about to see a documentary about Sarah Palin."

"Oh, really?" they said, and started giggling again. I think they were expecting an action flick. When I returned to my seat, I thought maybe I'd talk to them after the movie, and get the perspective of two people who went in with no expectations. But they only lasted 20 minutes before walking out.

After that, it is strictly accurate to say that the theater was empty, except for me. On screen there were clips of a younger Sarah Palin helping to reform Alaskan governance. "In politics, you're either eating well or sleeping well," she said. I jotted this down: "And which of those are you doing now?"

Shortly before the end of the film, a young couple entered, walked to the back row, started making out, then interrupted their session and left (spoiler alert) as Andrew Breitbart, who made one of several guest appearances, started talking about eunuchs. Then I was alone again, working. Instead of researching civil liberties violations, or the war in Libya, or the contest to elect the next president of the United States, I was both a journalist and the only member of the public willfully paying attention to Sarah Palin, as if standing in for the pathologies of my profession.

Afterward, I found a theater manager, told him I was a reporter, and asked if he could give me numbers about ticket sales. "Did anyone pay and not show up?" He said that they'd sold out all the Harry Potter movies until 2 a.m., and that all 5,000 seats looked full. "No," I said, "I saw the Sarah Palin movie. Do you know the figures for that one?"

"Oh," he said, "I can't release sales figures."

"In hindsight, do you wish you'd had one more screen showing Harry Potter?"

He had no comment.

Josh-da-man
07-25-11, 05:30 PM
If the teabaggers could get Bristol Palin into the finals on Dancing with the Stars, I'd think a few of them would go see shitty movies like this or Atlas Shrugged.

DeputyDave
07-25-11, 07:49 PM
If the teabaggers could get Bristol Palin into the finals on Dancing with the Stars, I'd think a few of them would go see shitty movies like this or Atlas Shrugged.
Isn't "teabaggers" considered offensive around here?

kvrdave
07-25-11, 11:12 PM
If the teabaggers could get Bristol Palin into the finals on Dancing with the Stars, I'd think a few of them would go see shitty movies like this or Atlas Shrugged.

Have you seen them?

Numanoid
07-25-11, 11:13 PM
Isn't "teabaggers" considered offensive around here?Seriously? -rolleyes-

DeputyDave
07-26-11, 12:38 PM
Seriously? -rolleyes-

Yes. Considering there are people who post here who are members of the Tea Party and more who sympathize or agree with them. It's an extremely derogatory term that even the politicians and pundits stopped using.

kvrdave
07-26-11, 03:07 PM
Douchecrats are being a little sensitive, I say.

DeputyDave
07-26-11, 05:26 PM
Douchecrats are being a little sensitive, I say.

Or Libertards even?

JohnSlider
07-26-11, 11:07 PM
What did the libertarians do? Besides, as long as I keep seeing phrases like 'Obama care' tossed around here I will continue to use the word 'teabagger' without guilt.

Numanoid
07-27-11, 01:21 AM
Or "Obamaton", or "The One", or "Messiah", etc.

DeputyDave
07-27-11, 04:21 PM
What did the libertarians do? Besides, as long as I keep seeing phrases like 'Obama care' tossed around here I will continue to use the word 'teabagger' without guilt.

But they are not the same. For one Obama-care is a descriptive term that is only as negative as the context it is used in (both sides use it) combining the ultimate driving force behind it (Obama) and the word "care". Neither negative. "Teabaggers" is only used in the derogatory and describes what many perceive as an offensive sexual act.

Regardless of it's intent Obama-care describes a policy or action where as "Teabagger" specifically describes a person, some of whom actually post on DVDTalk. Show me another accepted term used here that is as insulting when describing someone of opposing political views.

Groucho
07-27-11, 05:44 PM
"JasonF"

Numanoid
07-27-11, 11:20 PM
I notice Deputy Dave conveniently ignored my post.

Groucho
07-27-11, 11:21 PM
I notice Deputy Dave conveniently ignored my post.Spoken like a true JasonF. -ohbfrank-

DeputyDave
07-28-11, 12:05 AM
Or "Obamaton", or "The One", or "Messiah", etc.

OK, I'll address that. The second and third examples describe a public figure whom I doubt posts here. Both are rather silly and not nearly as pejorative as Teabagger. Far worse has been said about other public/political figures, including other presidents.

The first example is negative (although not as negative I would argue) and is used to describe individuals who may post here. As per the rules if it were used and the mods saw it, I would expect they would deliver a warning.

Numanoid
07-28-11, 03:13 PM
The first example is negative (although not as negative I would argue) and is used to describe individuals who may post here. As per the rules if it were used and the mods saw it, I would expect they would deliver a warning.Think again. (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/search.php?searchid=3729066)

kvrdave
07-28-11, 04:36 PM
Or "Obamaton", or "The One", or "Messiah", etc.

I believe I first came up with Obamaton. :)

I don't care if people use Teabaggers. But I can see how it could be offensive. So let's not pretend it is the same as any of those. If we called Democrats "Blow Jobbers" because they are blowing up all the jobs, then we'd likely have a better comparison, doncha think?

Having said that, I can't promise that I won't now use Blow Jobbers to refer to Democrats, because that is a pretty good description.

DeputyDave
07-28-11, 05:13 PM
Think again. (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/search.php?searchid=3729066)

That link isn't working for me but I assume you are showing examples of Obamaton being used. It doesn't matter if it was used or not, the fact still remains it's use when directed at posters is against the rules.

Numanoid
07-28-11, 11:10 PM
Yeah, it's just a search in Politics Talk for the word "Obamaton". There is an entire page full of hits. And there are plenty of other slams on Obama followers that go without mod comment.

And Teabaggers was first used by...wait for it...the Tea Party! Just because they were too ignorant to understand its other connotations doesn't mean you should blame us for following suit.

In any event, this kind of nonsense is one of the reasons why I rarely venture into Politics Talk anymore.

DeputyDave
07-29-11, 08:22 AM
Yeah, it sucks that you can't have civil political discourse without mindless name calling.

Pistol Pete
07-29-11, 08:33 PM
Yes. Considering there are people who post here who are members of the Tea Party and more who sympathize or agree with them. It's an extremely derogatory term that even the politicians and pundits stopped using.

I think that the lengthy period of time when the tea party had no idea what teabagging was and were not deeply offended by the term justifies the usage. Their single minded focus and insular worldview of all things outside their sphere of beliefs allowed the term to be widely used in the media. Very few in the party knew what "teabagging" was. This mindset permeates the party's approach to politics. The "teabagger" term perfectly describes the tea party on several levels, both as a satirical description of the members and a reminder of their narrow-minded knowledge of the world.

kvrdave
07-29-11, 08:59 PM
So does "Blow Jobbers" for Douchecrats. I could use flowery imagery as to why, but it is pretty self evident.

DeputyDave
07-29-11, 10:38 PM
I think that the lengthy period of time when the tea party had no idea what teabagging was and were not deeply offended by the term justifies the usage. Their single minded focus and insular worldview of all things outside their sphere of beliefs allowed the term to be widely used in the media. Very few in the party knew what "teabagging" was. This mindset permeates the party's approach to politics. The "teabagger" term perfectly describes the tea party on several levels, both as a satirical description of the members and a reminder of their narrow-minded knowledge of the world.

I seriously doubt most of the Tea Party did not know what teabagging means. Regardless does someone not knowing they are being insulted justify the insult?

Numanoid
07-29-11, 10:50 PM
So does "Blow Jobbers" for Douchecrats. I could use flowery imagery as to why, but it is pretty self evident.That's not analogous at all, and you know it. If you want to refer to the Democrats as "Anti-Federalists", as they originally called themselves, then you'd have a point.

kvrdave
07-30-11, 12:22 AM
You blow jobbers take things too seriously. -wink-

DeputyDave
07-30-11, 10:01 AM
That's not analogous at all, and you know it. If you want to refer to the Democrats as "Anti-Federalists", as they originally called themselves, then you'd have a point.

How does "Anti-Federalists" and teabaggers have anything to do with each other. Prove to me that the Tea Party officially called themselves "teabaggers". The first time I ever heard it used was by left leaning media talking heads (accompanied by a self satisfied smirk). While it may be true that some individual members may have erroneously picked up on it and not knowing what it meant (it's not exactly a commonly known sexual practice), it certainly never was after it was explained (very early on) what an insult it was.

Regardless, can you not accept that it is an insulting term for a person. No one says you can't use it everyday but on this forum there are rules against personal insults you should understand that.

Pistol Pete
07-30-11, 02:07 PM
I seriously doubt most of the Tea Party did not know what teabagging means. Regardless does someone not knowing they are being insulted justify the insult?
You'd be surprised. Outside of areas with gay populations, the term was relatively unknown until the tea party showed up. In fact several relatives were actually using the name to describe themselves and their political beliefs. I had to explain, in detail, what exactly it meant.

My dear naive mother-in-law turned about 10 shades of red when she realized what she had been saying.

kvrdave
07-31-11, 02:07 AM
How does "Anti-Federalists" and teabaggers have anything to do with each other. Prove to me that the Tea Party officially called themselves "teabaggers". The first time I ever heard it used was by left leaning media talking heads (accompanied by a self satisfied smirk). While it may be true that some individual members may have erroneously picked up on it and not knowing what it meant (it's not exactly a commonly known sexual practice), it certainly never was after it was explained (very early on) what an insult it was.

Regardless, can you not accept that it is an insulting term for a person. No one says you can't use it everyday but on this forum there are rules against personal insults you should understand that.

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2009/12/17/12/protestors-now-teabagging-for-jesus-4375-1261070306-124.jpg

But to claim it shouldn't be offensive would be akin to saying that the N word shouldn't, using "gay" in any fashion shouldn't, etc. There are lots of examples where it is okay for one in the group to use a term but not for those outside the group. But if you are dealing with conservatives, don't expect liberals to remember how much they love to be PC. :lol:

kvrdave
07-31-11, 02:09 AM
Also, I think it is almost certain that the term was first used in a negative way by those opposed to the Tea Party, and some within it heard the name and had no idea what it meant and went with it. To argue otherwise would be pretty naive, imo.

Supermallet
07-31-11, 02:35 PM
All of you carpetbaggers get out of this thread!

kvrdave
07-31-11, 05:07 PM
Fool, you are a capetbagger in this forum. It was ALL MINE!!!! :lol:

Supermallet
07-31-11, 05:37 PM
Quit cluttering up my threads and go fix your roof, you layabout! You vagabond!

wz42
02-16-12, 12:55 AM
Yeah, it sucks that you can't have civil political discourse without mindless name calling.

The right wing scum started it with Rush Limbaugh and the term femi-nazis.

DVD Polizei
02-17-12, 09:00 PM
FemiNazi. Thought that was nVidia's new GPU.

kvrdave
02-20-12, 01:25 PM
The right wing scum started it with Rush Limbaugh and the term femi-nazis.

rotfl

That is the first instance of name calling in politics, for sure.

Shoveler
02-24-12, 06:23 PM
The right wing scum started it with Rush Limbaugh and the term femi-nazis.

If Rush Limbaugh jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, would all you Blow Jobbers jump off too?

PopcornTreeCt
02-27-12, 03:50 PM
So, this won an Oscar last night.

Numanoid
02-28-12, 09:00 PM
http://i.qkme.me/x39.jpg

PopcornTreeCt
02-29-12, 01:09 PM
:lol:

PenguinJoe
03-02-12, 02:07 AM
Why is the title of the movie The Undefeated?

dmkb
11-10-12, 10:34 PM
Because the documentary chronicles Palin's switch to the Democratic Party.