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Perkinsun Dzees
12-18-10, 05:51 AM
This Ebay seller pulled off a pretty clever scam if what he says is true, but was it legal? It may have been underhanded, but he was only getting the money that the buyer had already agreed to pay him before backing out.

How I got an uncooperative eBay buyer to pay for her purchase. Was it unethical? (http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/em01h/how_i_got_an_uncooperative_ebay_buyer_to_pay_for/)

First of all, I am not claiming to have invented this trick. I imagine others have used it with varying degrees of success. I also want to point out that nothing here is embellished or exaggerated.

I had tickets to a sporting event and couldn't attend. I made a 1-day listing and clearly stated that the tickets must be picked up in person within 24 hours (the game was the evening after the auction ended, so there wasn't any time to ship the tickets). A woman won the auction for about $600. The auction had ended at 10:00am and by 5:00pm she still hadn't responded to my emails trying to organize the exchange. Finally, at 9:30pm, I got a one-liner email: "I overbid and my husband won't let me buy these. Sorry and enjoy the game! :)"

I first tried explaining that I wouldn't have the time to resell the tickets (I already got turned down by the losing bidders). She said, "... that's not my problem. It's eBay, not a car dealership. I can back out if I want." I still don't understand the car dealership reference.

I was pretty upset. I was basically going to be stuck with tickets to an event that I couldn't attend. That's when I got the idea to convince her to change her mind.

I created a new eBay account, "Payback" we'll call it, and sent her a message: "Hi there, I noticed you won an auction for 4 [sporting event] tickets. I meant to bid on these but couldn't get to a computer. I wanted to take my son and dad and would be willing to give you $1,000 for the tickets. I imagine that you've already made plans to attend, but I figured it was worth a shot."

At 11:30pm she responded to Payback: "I'll do it for $1,100, no less. I can meet you at the game if you agree. I need your phone number."

At 11:35pm, Payback wrote: "Deal. Here is my number..." (Thanks Google Voice for the throwaway number). She called a few minutes later and made Payback "promise" to go through with the deal. She emphasized that she'd be out a lot of money if Payback backed out. Payback swore he would never do such a thing.

At 11:45pm, the woman emailed me: "Fine. I'll buy them. But you have to drop them off at my house tonight. I'll have the cash ready." So at fucking midnight I drove to her house across town and met her on the road in front of her apartment building. She was a nasty and rude individual. Things didn't get any better when I told her I wanted an extra $20 for the trouble of driving there at midnight (yeah, pushing my luck, I know). It became very awkward and she literally threw 31 $20 bills at me. I counted them before handing over the tickets. I said, "thanks for the great transaction" as she flipped me off while walking away.

At 10:00am she called Payback to make sure they were still on for the exchange. Payback said that he could no longer go to the game and wouldn't be able to do the exchange. She blew her fucking top and I swear to god started speaking in tongues. Payback said, "Ma'am, this is eBay, not a car dealership" and hung up.

I got a rabid email 10 minutes later telling me that I was going to hell and that she's reported me to the local police, FBI, and... the fire department. WTF?

I never heard another word from her. I have no idea if she went to the game or not.

Was this wrong?

joe_b
12-18-10, 06:56 AM
I don't know about wrong, but it's damn funny. :lol:

Cardsfan111
12-18-10, 07:28 AM
I like it. :up:

JZ1276
12-18-10, 07:39 AM
awesome

Troy Stiffler
12-18-10, 07:48 AM
I deal with legitimate people backing out of major purchases ($10k+) on eBay every week or two. It used to bother me. Now, I'm just cynical and assume that the person won't pay, until payment is received.

I'd NEVER attempt anything like that. But the story is excellent.

MrSmearkase
12-18-10, 08:12 AM
Well done :clap:

Lemmy
12-18-10, 09:00 AM
Excellent.

I will file this one away for later use.

DVD Josh
12-18-10, 09:25 AM
The problem with this story is that, AFAIK, you can't just contact a random eBay user unless you are involved in a transaction. He said he contacted her through another eBay account. I don't think that's possible. I don't use eBay regularly anymore, so I could be wrong.

Groucho
12-18-10, 09:31 AM
Not at all wrong.

starman9000
12-18-10, 09:43 AM
If she was selling something he could contact her to ask a question right?

DVD Josh
12-18-10, 10:32 AM
If she was selling something he could contact her to ask a question right?

He contacted her through a seller auction about another account she won? Doesn't make much sense.

This story makes for good conversation but it's likely as big a con as the one is purports to have effected.

Larry C.
12-18-10, 10:39 AM
Wait he originally sold it to her so he had her information. She is the one who should have known that a random ebayer could not contact her about an auction she won.

calhoun07
12-18-10, 11:22 AM
Was this wrong?[/I]

I think it's absolutely brilliant. I will have to keep this in mind in case I ever decide to sell something worth good money on Ebay.

Troy Stiffler
12-18-10, 11:34 AM
You can contact a member about whatever you want. You just click on their username, go to "contact member". It shows a list of items that you were looking at (which belong to the seller). But you can click "this is not about an item" and it takes you to a text box.

Ebay doesn't release email addresses unless you're linked to a transaction. They use a message forwarding system now.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
12-18-10, 12:00 PM
While it makes for a good story, lots of times that means it's not true, or there's just an element of truth to it. What would have made it better is letting her know after paying is that he talked to the other guy and he doesn't want them anymore. He knows this because he is the other guy.

DVD Josh
12-18-10, 12:30 PM
Also, a good con would never end with a revelation that it was a con. He should have just taken the cash, given the tickets and stopped responding with the other account.

Troy Stiffler
12-18-10, 01:51 PM
I read through the thread.

The deadbeat's email reply was:

"Fuxking funny fucker! You know you can go to JAIL for this. YOu theef!!!!! [City] cops FBI fire and government already no. Your done. I got your number and your name. This is thefting property FUCKER!!! Give my $620 back or everything bad wiil happen - FUCK!!!!! You cant steal and get away. Refund me now or else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You dpnt want a lawsuit. Trust me. u dont. You can have tickets jut give my my money and be done."

She sounds classy.

Maxflier
12-18-10, 03:07 PM
Great story!
Although once the fire department finds out he is fucked unfortunately.

tasha99
12-18-10, 10:51 PM
Great story!
Although once the fire department finds out he is fucked unfortunately.

rotfl

Ranger
12-18-10, 11:03 PM
What would Judge Judy say?

Anubis2005X
12-18-10, 11:12 PM
Also, a good con would never end with a revelation that it was a con. He should have just taken the cash, given the tickets and stopped responding with the other account.

Totally, or just promise that he would be there at the game to pick the tickets up and never show up. Normally I would be somewhat sympathetic, but she sounded like a complete and utter bitch. Eff her...

mhg83
12-18-10, 11:30 PM
I still dont understand what exactly happened. Why would she sell the tickets if Payback wanted to buy tickets from her??? It sounded like she won the auction and was gonna sell him the tickets.

bigjim25
12-18-10, 11:41 PM
She got what she deserved! :up::lol:

DVD Josh
12-19-10, 08:09 AM
I still dont understand what exactly happened. Why would she sell the tickets if Payback wanted to buy tickets from her??? It sounded like she won the auction and was gonna sell him the tickets.

This type of con prays on human greed. She thought that she could make a fast buck turning around the tickets for double what she paid.

A timeline:

- Auction posted
- Winner refuses to buy, saying "sorry, that's life."
- Fake account asks if he can buy tickets, will pay almost double
- Winner then purchases the tickets so she can resell them.
- Fake account never buys.

Con is a harsh word for this, since all that happened was she ended up buying something she said she would in the first place. A common variation of this is where an accomplice goes up to a person saying he lost valuable jewelry and is offering a reward. Later, the con "finds" the jewelry in full view of the mark. The mark offers half the value of the reward, thinking that he can claim the reward and make fast cash. Turns out there is no reward the jewelry itself is fake. I think they did this in the movie Go but it's been a decade since I saw it.

Obi-Wan Jabroni
12-19-10, 09:09 AM
Con is a harsh word for this, since all that happened was she ended up buying something she said she would in the first place. A common variation of this is where an accomplice goes up to a person saying he lost valuable jewelry and is offering a reward. Later, the con "finds" the jewelry in full view of the mark. The mark offers half the value of the reward, thinking that he can claim the reward and make fast cash. Turns out there is no reward the jewelry itself is fake. I think they did this in the movie Go but it's been a decade since I saw it.

They did this in Zombieland for sure.

Groucho
12-19-10, 09:41 AM
The one thing that I am skeptical about is the portrayal of the mark. He went out of his way to paint her as unpleasant, but in that situation most people would be sweet as apple pie -- she doesn't want the deal to go sour before she can sell to "Payback".

Ropes Pierre
12-19-10, 09:44 AM
If done right, this could make an interesting episode of Leverage.

Shannon Nutt
12-19-10, 09:51 AM
Pretty sure this is an imagined story, but a nice tale of revenge. Something Sawyer would have done on LOST.

calhoun07
12-19-10, 07:53 PM
Pretty sure this is an imagined story

But even if the story didn't happen exactly as outlined above, one has to wonder if something like this has happened before?

ResIpsa
12-21-10, 03:07 AM
Sounds very bogus, but was a good laugh...

adrenaline78
12-21-10, 08:56 AM
How would ebay handle this sort of thing anyhow? Since tickets are a date specific item, not like me selling a toaster or whatnot, and the lady agreed to pay that price, shouldn't she be responsible for the price of the ticket even if she decided not to go? It's like the seller said, he didn't have anymore time to try to unload them.


or would ebay just say.. file a non paying bidder claim and recoup the fees.. but he would then be SOL on the ticket prices..


or could he take her to small claims court or something?

ResIpsa
12-21-10, 11:30 AM
I believe eBay would simply give the buyer a NPB ding (you are allowed only a few of these) and the seller is SOL on the purchase price. Sure, eBay would refund their fees but the seller would have to collect from the buyer on his own if he wanted restitution.

Matt
12-22-10, 07:17 AM
Fabricated or not, it's still The Feel-Good Story of the Year.

Kenny_Chisholm
12-24-10, 06:21 PM
Well done! LOL, just came across this forum randomly and now i'm hooked!

A bit risky though to have payback reveal his identify. I personally wouldn't do that but this is the highly entertaining!

Norm de Plume
12-25-10, 02:05 AM
I read through the thread.

The deadbeat's email reply was:

"Fuxking funny fucker! You know you can go to JAIL for this. YOu theef!!!!! [City] cops FBI fire and government already no. Your done. I got your number and your name. This is thefting property FUCKER!!! Give my $620 back or everything bad wiil happen - FUCK!!!!! You cant steal and get away. Refund me now or else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You dpnt want a lawsuit. Trust me. u dont. You can have tickets jut give my my money and be done."

She sounds classy.
And educated.

tvjunkie25
12-25-10, 03:31 PM
great story can think of many times i would of liked to do something like that

RoadToPerdition
12-27-10, 01:59 AM
This is a great story. I think non-paying buyers piss everyone off, but when the non-paying buyer gives an "oh well, that's your problem, not mine" type of response, it takes it to another level -- hence the reason why the seller in this story did what they did. That being said, even if the non-paying buyer was a complete asshole towards me, I don't think I could do what's outlined in this story.

cheapdvdbuyer
12-28-10, 04:12 AM
Great story, but I don't think its true. 1) Ebay no longer reveals the winner's username so she would wonder how "Payback" knew she won. 2) Crazy woman would've recognized his voice upon the second encounter 3) The buyer would have the seller's address. So if she's as crazy as the seller described, she would have no issue driving to his house and causing all sorts of Hell, instead of simply sending him an angry email.

Frenzy
12-28-10, 04:42 AM
I created a new eBay account, "Payback" we'll call it, and sent her a message: "Hi there, I noticed you won an auction for 4 [sporting event] tickets. I meant to bid on these but couldn't get to a computer. I wanted to take my son and dad and would be willing to give you $1,000 for the tickets. I imagine that you've already made plans to attend, but I figured it was worth a shot.

Hmmm, considering that this new account would have no positive feedback at all and would have been created AFTER the auction ended, who would even think about doing a +$1,000 transaction with this member?

musicfann
12-28-10, 05:59 AM
There are so many OFF THE WALL scams being perpetrated by vultures out there ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!

I was a seller of a u2 vinyl rarity, and this guy from the UK tried to scam me, by AFTER "winning" the item, he paid for it, THEN after a decent interval AFTER I would have sent the item to him in the mail...which I did...he decided to cancel his paypal payment, making up some obviously flimsy excuse. His rating was fine.

FORTUNATELY my local post office caught and STOPPED the delivery as it was sitting in JFK International Airport ALMOST being sent off, and they returned the parcel back to me.

AND HE TRIED TO DO THIS TWICE. I was new at this and gave him "the benefit of the doubt".

As it was beginning of the END of the time with eBay that they were giving MORE protections for buyers than sellers, I was forced to go through this charade.

EVEN eBay couldn't figure out what this guy was doing !

But at least it was no loss to me...but I was just fortunate and had exquisite Timing !

edhoo
12-30-10, 04:22 PM
Great story, but I don't think its true. 1) Ebay no longer reveals the winner's username so she would wonder how "Payback" knew she won.


Well she didn't sound very intelligent in the first place, contacting the fire department? lmao

This sounds to funny to be real though.

musicfann
12-31-10, 12:44 AM
Well she didn't sound very intelligent in the first place, contacting the fire department? lmao

This sounds to funny to be real though.

Isn't she the one who called the police because McDonald's ran out of chicken McNuggets ?

DVD Josh
12-31-10, 07:14 AM
There are so many OFF THE WALL scams being perpetrated by vultures out there ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!

I was a seller of a u2 vinyl rarity, and this guy from the UK tried to scam me, by AFTER "winning" the item, he paid for it, THEN after a decent interval AFTER I would have sent the item to him in the mail...which I did...he decided to cancel his paypal payment, making up some obviously flimsy excuse. His rating was fine.

FORTUNATELY my local post office caught and STOPPED the delivery as it was sitting in JFK International Airport ALMOST being sent off, and they returned the parcel back to me.

AND HE TRIED TO DO THIS TWICE. I was new at this and gave him "the benefit of the doubt".

As it was beginning of the END of the time with eBay that they were giving MORE protections for buyers than sellers, I was forced to go through this charade.

EVEN eBay couldn't figure out what this guy was doing !

But at least it was no loss to me...but I was just fortunate and had exquisite Timing !

Needs moar capitalization.

whotony
01-03-11, 03:29 PM
"FORTUNATELY my local post office caught and STOPPED the delivery as it was sitting in JFK International Airport ALMOST being sent off, and they returned the parcel back to me."


^Also why did the did the post office do this?
Did they send a swat team in to stop the plane

DirkUSA
01-03-11, 03:48 PM
"FORTUNATELY my local post office caught and STOPPED the delivery as it was sitting in JFK International Airport ALMOST being sent off, and they returned the parcel back to me."


^Also why did the did the post office do this?
Did they send a swat team in to stop the plane

WOW, now that's what I call service.