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JumpCutz
08-02-10, 01:00 AM
Two of the giants in the industry...

Well?

RocShemp
08-02-10, 01:01 AM
What? No poll? :p

Boba Fett
08-02-10, 01:07 AM
Scorsese is the better filmmaker, Spielberg's movies are much more fun.

Cardsfan111
08-02-10, 01:07 AM
I'll go Spielberg since he's been involved with so many personal favorites...Jaws, the Indiana Jones films, Back to the Future.

Eva Kaine
08-02-10, 01:08 AM
Scorsese is the better filmmaker, Spielberg's movies are much more fun.


What a colossal, stupid statement.

Fist of Doom
08-02-10, 01:10 AM
What a colossal, stupid statement.

-ohbfrank-

RocShemp
08-02-10, 01:11 AM
What a colossal, stupid statement.

Why? You didn't enjoy the fun-loving family adventure that was Munich? ;)

fumanstan
08-02-10, 01:18 AM
What a colossal, stupid statement.

Aren't you a ray of sunshine?

Eva Kaine
08-02-10, 01:19 AM
-ohbfrank-


What the fuck are you rolling your eyes for?

Eva Kaine
08-02-10, 01:21 AM
Why? You didn't enjoy the fun-loving family adventure that was Munich? ;)


heh ;)


I was simply reacting to the statement that Spielberg's movies "are much more fun". Therefore, apparently, they aren't as worthwhile.

Travis McClain
08-02-10, 01:51 AM
Not voting, but I'll tell you this: I appreciate that Scorsese is willing to do commentary tracks for his movies. It wouldn't bother me so much that Spielberg doesn't, except for all the boasting he did in his interview for Lawrence of Arabia talking about how exciting it was for him to sit next to Sir David Lean during a private screening of the movie and get a live, one-on-one commentary from Sir David throughout. Don't tell me you've gotten such a once-in-a-lifetime experience and loved it, and can't be bothered to record something for your fans!

RocShemp
08-02-10, 02:01 AM
heh ;)


I was simply reacting to the statement that Spielberg's movies "are much more fun". Therefore, apparently, they aren't as worthwhile.

S'okay. It's all in good fun. :)

RagingBull80
08-02-10, 02:07 AM
Scorsese.

I love several of Spielberg's films but he did not direct Taxi Driver, Raging Bull or Goodfellas.

Supermallet
08-02-10, 02:14 AM
Both are iconic filmmakers, and both changed the film industry. Spielberg, along with Lucas, helped turn the tide against the personal and complex films being made by people like Scorsese. Scorsese, aside from being a great filmmaker, was instrumental in popularizing the idea of properly archiving and restoring films.

Spielberg, in my mind, is best when he's doing a thriller or an adventure. Jaws, Indiana Jones, Minority Report, Jurassic Park all play to his strengths at manipulating an audience. These techniques usually fall flat when applied to drama, and consequently, a lot of his movies are overrated. Furthermore, his continued use of the long in the tooth John Williams continues to be a weak spot. However, when he's on (such as in the aforementioned films), he's the best at what he does.

Scorsese is a living legend of film. Always busy, always creative, he's made some of the best films of the past 40 years. Even his failures are interesting. Scorsese all the way, without a doubt. Even Spielberg's best film couldn't touch Goodfellas.

JumpCutz
08-02-10, 02:17 AM
Scorsese.

I love several of Spielberg's films but he did not direct Taxi Driver, Raging Bull or Goodfellas.

OP here...yeah that about sums it up for me.

Though I would put

Jaws
Munich
CETK
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Schindler's List

on the next rung....followed by:

The King of Comedy
Casino
Duel
Saving Private Ryan
Minority Report


It's a very close match up...but Scorsese wins based on the big three.

Franchot
08-02-10, 02:24 AM
Spielberg has directed many more "crap" films in my opinion. (Hook, Always, 1941, Crystal Skull.) Even his big hits such as Jurassic Park, E.T. Close Encounters suffer from being too "cute" for my tastes.)

I like Scorsese's more gritty style and even his lesser films have portions that I admire.

Supermallet
08-02-10, 02:30 AM
Spielberg's best films:
Jaws
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Jurassic Park
Minority Report

Second rung:
Temple of Doom
Last Crusade
Catch Me If You Can


Scorsese's best films:
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
Goodfellas
The Departed

Second rung:
Mean Streets
After Hours
The Last Waltz
Casino
Shutter Island
The Age of Innocence
King of Comedy

costanza
08-02-10, 02:31 AM
Both are iconic filmmakers, and both changed the film industry. Spielberg, along with Lucas, helped turn the tide against the personal and complex films being made by people like Scorsese. Scorsese, aside from being a great filmmaker, was instrumental in popularizing the idea of properly archiving and restoring films.

Spielberg, in my mind, is best when he's doing a thriller or an adventure. Jaws, Indiana Jones, Minority Report, Jurassic Park all play to his strengths at manipulating an audience. These techniques usually fall flat when applied to drama, and consequently, a lot of his movies are overrated. Furthermore, his continued use of the long in the tooth John Williams continues to be a weak spot. However, when he's on (such as in the aforementioned films), he's the best at what he does.

Scorsese is a living legend of film. Always busy, always creative, he's made some of the best films of the past 40 years. Even his failures are interesting. Scorsese all the way, without a doubt. Even Spielberg's best film couldn't touch Goodfellas.

You talk good. :up:

JumpCutz
08-02-10, 02:34 AM
You talk good. :up:

You should hear him write. :)

Eva Kaine
08-02-10, 03:03 AM
Spielberg's best films:
Jaws
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Jurassic Park
Minority Report




Obviously you aren't familiar with some of Spielberg's best films. I take it you haven't yet seen ET: the Extra Terresatrial, The Sugarland Express, Close Encountters of the Third Kind, Duel, Empire of the Sun, or AI: Artificial Intelligence.

Supermallet
08-02-10, 03:15 AM
I have unfortunately seen ET, Close Encounters, Empire of the Sun, and AI. I like Sugarland and Duel, but not enough to call them Spielberg's best. I would count ET and Close Encounters among his worst, though.

Fist of Doom
08-02-10, 03:21 AM
You are a fcking idiot.

Nice knowing ya!

JumpCutz
08-02-10, 03:25 AM
You are a fcking idiot.


Whoa. Not cool. Personal attacks like that will get you banned.

Supermallet
08-02-10, 03:27 AM
Mod Note: Eva, I know you are new here, but before you signed up you had to agree to our terms and conditions, which includes no personal attacks. Further, you may want to learn the structure of the site, as while personal attacks are not allowed against anyone, it is especially poor form to level them against moderators.

Yeti4623
08-02-10, 04:57 AM
Scorsese a better director, but Spielberg makes better movies.

DeputyDave
08-02-10, 05:54 AM
Scorsese a better director, but Spielberg tastes like marzipan.

NORML54601
08-02-10, 05:57 AM
Scorsese easily. He's done 2 of my top 10 favorite films in Casino & King of Comedy.

Geofferson
08-02-10, 07:23 AM
Scorsese -- he has proven to be the more consistent director over the past 4 decades then Spielberg (imo).

TomOpus
08-02-10, 07:35 AM
Since the question is asking which I prefer, when choosing a movie, I'd probably throw in one of Steven's movies first.

inri222
08-02-10, 07:49 AM
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RocShemp
08-02-10, 07:53 AM
Since the question is asking which I prefer, when choosing a movie, I'd probably throw in one of Steven's movies first.

I can see the logic in that.

Trevor
08-02-10, 08:45 AM
Scorsese is the better filmmaker, Spielberg's movies are much more fun.

This, plus Spielberg crafted perhaps my favorite film, Jaws, so gets my vote despite many clunkers in his library.

Mr. Cinema
08-02-10, 10:02 AM
I love both, but Spielberg is my choice. His resume pretty much has a winner in every genre. I'll take the wider range of work.

Kal-El
08-02-10, 10:04 AM
Since the question is asking which I prefer, when choosing a movie, I'd probably throw in one of Steven's movies first.

Right there's my answer.

Ash Ketchum
08-02-10, 10:15 AM
Spielberg has never made a work as penetrating as Scorsese's best work (MEAN STREETS, TAXI DRIVER, RAGING BULL, GOODFELLAS), nor as cinematically compelling, either. When Spielberg tackles grand themes, he has a way of cheapening them. MEAN STREETS, TAXI DRIVER, and GOODFELLAS are the works of a man who knows these streets and these characters and is able to peer into their psyches and make their erratic, criminal behavior of compelling interest to the audience, while also employing an original cinematic style. I don't see that basic grasp of human nature in any of Spielberg's "important" films, not even SCHINDLER'S LIST or MUNICH. He's very talented and skilled and knows how to marshal resources, but he's just a lonely, ambitious suburban kid/movie buff who has virtually nothing to say or report. He doesn't see anything but his own obsession with movies. Scorsese may have been a sickly, lonely kid also drawn to the movies, but he also had a great observational eye trained on the people and life around him. It's the difference between an entertainer and an artist.

Scorsese knows how to modulate. Spielberg doesn't. Everything Spielberg does is overstuffed. He doesn't know how to tone down his style to fit the subject, to make things leaner when required. This especially troubled me in HOOK, AI, and MINORITY REPORT.

Of course, nothing I say about Scorsese applies to the last 12 years. His hard-on for DiCaprio has ruined a once-great director.

Blu Man
08-02-10, 11:04 AM
Tough one. Spielberg has made some really great and memorable films, but lately I've been liking Scorsese's work more.

I'm a huge Scorsese fan, and with the exception of Catch Me if You Can, he's made much better films then Spielberg in the last 8 years, but overall Spielberg has had a much bigger impact on cinema. I'm going with Spielberg, but it's extremely close.

Solid Snake
08-02-10, 11:40 AM
While I may be more relaxed to enjoy Spielberg films more...Scorsese's are enjoyable and great for the most part. I might see Raiders more than any Scorsese film but...I prefer to watch Scorsese films more. I love SS but Marty's the winner for me.

Blu Man
08-02-10, 12:32 PM
I might see Raiders more than any Scorsese film but...I prefer to watch Scorsese films more.
:hscratch:

Supermallet
08-02-10, 12:37 PM
I love both, but Spielberg is my choice. His resume pretty much has a winner in every genre. I'll take the wider range of work.

The wider range of work? Wider than the guy who did Mean Streets, Goodfellas, New York New York, Kundun, Cape Fear, The Last Waltz, After Hours? Right there you have realism, crime, musical, historical drama, thriller, documentary, comedy.

nando820
08-02-10, 01:04 PM
easily Scorsese :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

PS: How come nobody mentions "Saving Private Ryan" I thought that was one of Spielberg's better movies if not the best

Travis McClain
08-02-10, 01:30 PM
PS: How come nobody mentions "Saving Private Ryan" I thought that was one of Spielberg's better movies if not the best

Run a search for that movie and you'll find at least one entire thread where the consensus was that Saving Private Ryan has a great opening and an alright ending, but is boring/weak/uninteresting/lacking everywhere in between. I still haven't seen the movie (despite planning to watch it for the Academy Awards challenge and the Historical challenge this year alone) so I can't comment on it. In any event, it's not the beloved, revered movie around here you'd think it would be.

Off-topic, but don't even mention Forrest Gump.

modfather
08-02-10, 02:19 PM
Run a search for that movie and you'll find at least one entire thread where the consensus was that Saving Private Ryan has a great opening and an alright ending, but is boring/weak/uninteresting/lacking everywhere in between. I still haven't seen the movie (despite planning to watch it for the Academy Awards challenge and the Historical challenge this year alone) so I can't comment on it. In any event, it's not the beloved, revered movie around here you'd think it would be.

Off-topic, but don't even mention Forrest Gump.

IMHO, SPR wasn't even the best WWII movie to come out that year...

Scorsese.

Mr. Cinema
08-02-10, 02:25 PM
The wider range of work? Wider than the guy who did Mean Streets, Goodfellas, New York New York, Kundun, Cape Fear, The Last Waltz, After Hours? Right there you have realism, crime, musical, historical drama, thriller, documentary, comedy.
Absolutely, for me, SS has the wider range. He's given us 2 great war related films, several mega blockbusters, with Jaws and Jurassic Park having a huge impact on the genre. Jaws started the "Summer blockbuster". Indiana Jones another huge influence on the action/adventure genre. Munich was a terrific political thriller. A.I. and Minority Report very good sci-fi films. Catch Me If You Can and The Terminal are both entertaining, light-hearted fare. And for me, War of the Worlds was also very entertaining.

Not to mention the little tv movie Duel offered some solid suspense. And it's been hinted at heavily that he played a large role in the final product of Poltergeist. He's had a wider range of work and a bigger impact on the industry.

nando820
08-02-10, 02:58 PM
Off-topic, but don't even mention Forrest Gump.

Oh no -ohbfrank- I do love that movie

Hokeyboy
08-02-10, 03:42 PM
Munich is better than anything Scorsese did in the 2000s. On the flip side, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is worse than ANYTHING Scorsese has ever dreamed of fucking up.

Scorsese wins this one. Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, The Last Temptation of Christ, and Goodfellas are absolute masterpieces. Spielberg has his masterpieces as well (the aforementioned Munich, Schindler's List, Jaws, and Raiders of the Lost Ark are perfect movies period) and a bunch of good to really good ones, but he has a streak of mediocre-to-total-POS movies that bring him down (1941, Hook, Always, and The Lost World all immediately spring to mind).

kd5
08-02-10, 03:48 PM
Spielberg's movies are considerably more entertaining to me than Scorsese's films. -kd5-

gmanca
08-02-10, 04:10 PM
Goes to Scorsese, I can watch his movies anytime and was a big fan of Casino. Munich is such a great movie and it's a break from the too cute by half formulaic stuff that creeps into his films when there's no such damn need, War of the Worlds for example.

Hokeyboy
08-02-10, 04:11 PM
The definition of "entertaining" is quite subjective. -hboy-

Solid Snake
08-02-10, 05:16 PM
:hscratch:

I mean that Raiders out of the two directors films...is the film I'd watch over and over..but if you take as a filmography as a whole. I'd go w/ Scorsese.

Rockmjd23
08-02-10, 05:47 PM
:bye: to you know who

FRwL
08-02-10, 06:03 PM
Spielberg for his pure entertainment over Scorsese's character studies. Scorsese i only like taxi Driver and Casino because it's so hilariously over the top, and for Spielberg don't care for his post-80s stuff, but solely for Duel/Jaws/Raiders he's the winner!

GenPion
08-02-10, 06:31 PM
Steven Spielberg. I love them both dearly... each director has made many of my all time favorite films. But Spielberg is one of my top favorite director's period. He is the natural choice for me. The simple truth is that I love his movies more than Scorsese's.

Sessa17
08-02-10, 06:33 PM
Body of work, Scorcese by far, but gun to my head if I had to choose, Spielberg just based on two films alone. Jaws + Raiders, nothing can really top that.

Solid Snake
08-02-10, 06:43 PM
Spielberg for his pure entertainment over Scorsese's character studies. Scorsese i only like taxi Driver and Casino because it's so hilariously over the top, and for Spielberg don't care for his post-80s stuff, but solely for Duel/Jaws/Raiders he's the winner!

Maybe..but..they're still entertaining.

rexinnih
08-02-10, 06:57 PM
Scorsese. While I enjoy and respect some of Spielbergs movies, Scorsese wins this one.

Mountain Biker
08-02-10, 07:27 PM
Spielberg, by FAR. Love Goodfellas and Casino, but neither can hold a candle to all-time faves Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Close Encounters, Duel, and E.T.

mdc3000
08-02-10, 08:04 PM
Scorsese is the better filmmaker, Spielberg's movies are much more fun.

I'll agree with this overall - but because his movies are more fun, Spielberg is much more dear to me (pretty much my hero)...

Travis McClain
08-02-10, 09:08 PM
Scorsese's films explore what is; even his works of pure fiction feel like documentaries. Spielberg's films explore what might be; even his films based on real events have an undertone of adventure to them (yes, even Schindler's List, though obviously not as fancifully as others).

I'll say this about them both: I love to hear either of them talk about film. Not only have they each clearly dedicated themselves to learning their craft, but the history of that craft, as well. They are both as knowledgeable as they are enthusiastic about movies, and while this thread pits them against one another, I think cinema has benefited greatly from the efforts of both men over the years.

Joe Buck
08-02-10, 09:43 PM
I had trouble with this one so I used this equation using my three faves from each man:

Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Raging Bull > Jaws, Raider of the Lost Ark, Saving Private Ryan