An MI6 agent (Alex Kingston) helps Mark, Demetri and Gough investigate a Blue Hand club and its possible link to some suicides. In other events, a former Army pal of Aaron's daughter visits him; Demetri confesses to Zoey about his blank flash-forward; and Nicole and Bryce figure out the mystery of his vision while volunteering at the hospital.
Actually sounds like an interesting episode that will answer some questions.
"Actually sounds like an interesting episode that will answer some questions."
No answers just more questions.
Good episode this week.
finally some character stuff that was interesting.
Deftones
11-05-09, 09:10 PM
yeah, it was actually pretty decent. so now we know you can change the future.
Groucho
11-05-09, 10:08 PM
Best episode since the pilot. Not hard to do, but still...
SmithsGuy
11-05-09, 10:12 PM
Very interesting. My wife said, how bout now they just stop investigating and go onward...
Draven
11-05-09, 10:29 PM
Nice episode - loving this show more and more every week.
Interesting they killed off Jett Jackson. Puts a nice twist on things.
MLBFan24
11-05-09, 11:15 PM
great episode. More like this please.
dom56
11-05-09, 11:42 PM
I type in www.alreadyghosts.com and just take me to the show site. Lame.
Good episode.
Neeb
11-06-09, 01:13 AM
Improved. But still kind of limping along...
gmanca
11-06-09, 04:00 AM
Best episode since the pilot. Not hard to do, but still...
Agreed; As much as they want to make Dominic Monaghan and Jack Davenport the bad guys, it'd be really interesting to see them not go that route. If they did an experiment without knowing it would cause a blackout, what can they really be charged with?
The whole Already Ghosts/nihilist stuff was pretty good.
SteelWill
11-06-09, 07:14 AM
This was a decent episode, and I'm glad it was finally established that the future can be changed, but it lost points from me by using such a contrived & overly dramatic event to do it. Plus the last thing this show needs is less characters who are actually interesting.
Draven
11-06-09, 07:39 AM
This was a decent episode, and I'm glad it was finally established that the future can be changed, but it lost points from me by using such a contrived & overly dramatic event to do it. Plus the last thing this show needs is less characters who are actually interesting.
But isn't that one of the only ways something like that could be proven right now? The alternative is just to wait until FlashForward day to prove anything, and by then it might be too late.
And remember that he found out his actions between now and then killed someone and made their kids orphans. He decided to take his own life instead of risking hers. Seemed pretty noble to me actually.
Timber
11-06-09, 11:26 AM
The geek in me is question whether the future would self correct and the mother would die a different way. I doubt they would go that route but still.
Groucho
11-06-09, 11:30 AM
The geek in me is question whether the future would self correct and the mother would die a different way. I doubt they would go that route but still.http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6614/danielfaradayl8573077.jpg
"Whatever happened, happened."
Patman
11-06-09, 11:55 AM
Can they kill off the Gabrielle Union character, please?
Draven
11-06-09, 01:20 PM
Can they kill off the Gabrielle Union character, please?
Good god no. She's the best-looking one on the show.
SteelWill
11-06-09, 01:23 PM
But isn't that one of the only ways something like that could be proven right now? The alternative is just to wait until FlashForward day to prove anything, and by then it might be too late.
And remember that he found out his actions between now and then killed someone and made their kids orphans. He decided to take his own life instead of risking hers. Seemed pretty noble to me actually.
Killing yourself is a pretty damn drastic move for something you *might* do in the future that apparently is an accident. If the guy was suicidal anyway and this put him over the edge then fine, but they gave no indication of that. It just strikes me as sloppy writing & cheap shock value.
Patman
11-06-09, 01:29 PM
Good god no. She's the best-looking one on the show.
Kinda sad, that being the case.
DJariya
11-06-09, 01:30 PM
Good god no. She's the best-looking one on the show.
I like her, but personally for me Peyton List is the hottest one of the show.
jonnyquest
11-06-09, 01:37 PM
I see his suicide as majorly selfless act. Not only to save Celia, but to give a giant dose of hope to those who experienced a problematic FlashForward.
But, on the flipside, it could be a bummer to those who had a pleasant FlashForward.
AtomicFyre
11-06-09, 07:41 PM
I honestly thought for a second he was going to jump off the building and land on top of the mom as the future corrected itself. I think that might have been a bit too bleak though and slightly funny.
chrisih8u
11-06-09, 08:08 PM
Maybe she will have a flash forward now.
whotony
11-06-09, 11:12 PM
Maybe she will have a flash forward now.
How?
chrisih8u
11-06-09, 11:27 PM
How?
I dont know. Maybe when the FBI agent died, she passes out and has a flash forward since she might live now. Just a guess.
Jadzia
11-07-09, 12:46 AM
I honestly thought for a second he was going to jump off the building and land on top of the mom
I thought the same thing :lol:
mnementh
11-07-09, 04:08 AM
Is the bird crashing into Alex Kingston's window a sign that another experiment takes place in the future?
Giantrobo
11-08-09, 05:06 AM
That was a really good ep. I really liked that young agent and I hated to see him go.
I'm so confused about the DWP guy's daughter. She's Alive! No, she's dead...Wait! She's Alive!! No wait, false alarm....
Alex Kingston :drool: Oh how I've missed you.
johnglass
11-08-09, 08:24 AM
I thought the same thing :lol:
Same here.
calhoun07
11-08-09, 10:55 AM
Is the bird crashing into Alex Kingston's window a sign that another experiment takes place in the future?
Only if the show gets renewed for a second season. Seriously...I am not joking. At least that's my guess. I read that they have the story line planned to wrap up this season if it only goes one season, but if they continue the show, there will be a second flash forward, and the bird may be a foreshadowing of that. It makes sense that their flash forward would take them to the moments right before they pass out again for another mass flash forward.
I think this episode was rather weak up until the end. What I think has been the weakest part of the entire show so far is that NOBODY has tried to deliberately change their future. You can't expect me to believe that Jett Jackson was the first one to see a future so bleak that he did not want to live it out and deliberately went about to change it. I would imagine that there would have been folks immediately following the flash forward who saw futures so horrible that either they ended it all soon thereafter or saw somebody in their flash forward doing something so heinous that they sought the person out and killed them as a preemptive measure. It didn't have to dominate the series...perhaps just have the FBI agents investigating a few suicides or murders that were somehow related to the flash forwards and debating if the future could be changed. To me, this concept in the series came too late.
Deftones
11-08-09, 11:00 AM
I think this episode was rather weak up until the end. What I think has been the weakest part of the entire show so far is that NOBODY has tried to deliberately change their future.
Ummm, the future is 6 months in advance. I completely disagree with your statement. We've seen that several of the people have taken steps now to hopefully ensure their future changes. From what we know of the people on the show now, there isn't much they can do immediately to prevent their future from happening. Sans maybe moving to another country or something.
Goat3001
11-08-09, 11:27 AM
This show is definitely picking up here. I was ready to bail as I had the last 3 episodes saved on DVR and I had very little interest in watching it... but I bucked up and watched them all and it has drawn me back in. :up:
Patman
11-08-09, 02:41 PM
"Fate is what we make."
calhoun07
11-08-09, 08:07 PM
Ummm, the future is 6 months in advance. I completely disagree with your statement. We've seen that several of the people have taken steps now to hopefully ensure their future changes. From what we know of the people on the show now, there isn't much they can do immediately to prevent their future from happening. Sans maybe moving to another country or something.
Wrong. We haven't seen ANYBODY change the future so far. And from what we know now, the future can obviously be changed.
Deftones
11-08-09, 08:33 PM
Wrong. We haven't seen ANYBODY change the future so far. And from what we know now, the future can obviously be changed.
I never said anyone has changed it. My point is that knowing what they know now isn't going to change shit if they do something right now unless they do something extremely drastic. That's why some of them seem to be doing little things over time that might cause some sort of change.
calhoun07
11-08-09, 09:38 PM
I never said anyone has changed it. My point is that knowing what they know now isn't going to change shit if they do something right now unless they do something extremely drastic. That's why some of them seem to be doing little things over time that might cause some sort of change.
And my point was that it took this show a long time to get to somebody with the balls to actually deliberately change it (which would require suicide/murder.) You disagreed completely with me, leading me to believe you saw something in previous episodes that was contradictory to what I said, which led me to believe you were wrong.
So apparently what you completely disagreed with me on was a snippet of a larger body of text, thus taking what I said out of context and construing it into an imaginary debate? Go back and read my entire post before taking what I said out of context next time, please.
Palaver
11-09-09, 09:47 AM
And my point was that it took this show a long time to get to somebody with the balls to actually deliberately change it (which would require suicide/murder.)
While it wasn't as drastic as murder or suicide, Mark did burn the bracelet that his daughter gave him with the distinct attempt at changing his future. Of course, she could always make another one, I guess.
But I do agree with what you are saying. Everybody seems to be blindly going along with whatever their flash ordained for them. The most ludicrous is Mark's flash. His flash shows him being totally frustrated, trying to make sense of his clue board. Why is he meticulously trying to replicate it? Maybe making this clue board isn't the best route to go there, Mark.
In the military flashback of what happened to the DWP guy's daughter's humvee, the call signs being used are 'Godfather' and 'Hitman'.
They used these same call signs in Generation Kill, unless these are common US Marine call signs. (Although I think 'Godfather' referred to the commander's raspy voice due to throat cancer)
Big Boy Laroux
11-09-09, 01:14 PM
Is the bird crashing into Alex Kingston's window a sign that another experiment takes place in the future?
As far as we know, only crows died during the blackout, and that looked to be a pigeon.
Also, it didn't just drop out of the sky. It flew into the window and died.
JuryDuty
11-09-09, 10:11 PM
Good episode!
As far as we know, only crows died during the blackout, and that looked to be a pigeon.
Also, it didn't just drop out of the sky. It flew into the window and died.
Rumor has it that in a future episode, they pan back in this scene and we see:
This series needed this episode badly. All through even this one, I was feeling more and more like it was about to collapse under itself. I, too, expected him to land on Celia and was ready to abandon the show when he did.
I'm glad this happened and actually look forward to this week's episode.
Stu 17
11-10-09, 04:26 AM
While it wasn't as drastic as murder or suicide, Mark did burn the bracelet that his daughter gave him with the distinct attempt at changing his future. Of course, she could always make another one, I guess.
But I do agree with what you are saying. Everybody seems to be blindly going along with whatever their flash ordained for them. The most ludicrous is Mark's flash. His flash shows him being totally frustrated, trying to make sense of his clue board. Why is he meticulously trying to replicate it? Maybe making this clue board isn't the best route to go there, Mark.
Mark's wife has also been trying to get the guy's kid transferred to another hospital so she doesn't start anything up with him.
The other flash forward's that we are aware of are all relatively positive, or do not shed enough light on the details to be changeable.
mnementh
11-10-09, 12:16 PM
As far as we know, only crows died during the blackout, and that looked to be a pigeon.
Since the blackout was worldwide, shouldn't all crows be dead, or at least pining for the fjords?
Big Boy Laroux
11-10-09, 12:52 PM
I thought that was the assumption. Didn't you see the chart of the worldwide crow population?
Since the magical, crow chart never reached zero, it's probably safe to say that all crows didn't die. Just most of them. Followed by a massive crow orgy.
Big Boy Laroux
11-10-09, 01:46 PM
So why wouldn't all of the crows have died? Interesting question, and I demand it be answered before any others this show has raised!
OldDude
11-10-09, 01:48 PM
I thought that was the assumption. Didn't you see the chart of the worldwide crow population?
Look at the units. It is a "suppressed zero" chart. The baseline is about 90 of whatever those units are, so population dropped 20-30%. The remaining 70-80% made more crows the usual way.
OldDude
11-10-09, 01:52 PM
So why wouldn't all of the crows have died? Interesting question, and I demand it be answered before any others this show has raised!
Mortality would be high among those flying. Those sitting on the ground, or in a nest are probably OK.
Humans are probably similar. Flying a plane -- big risk. Typing a message to DVDTalk -- I might lose my place, but not much risk.
Big Boy Laroux
11-10-09, 03:01 PM
see, that makes sense. If they had said that all the crows also blacked out, then we'd make the same assumptions that crows flying would be the only ones that died. But they simply said crows died.
But i'm fine making the assumption that they blacked out like the humans, and as a result, only a majority (but not all) died.
JuryDuty
11-10-09, 03:06 PM
Humans are probably similar. Flying a plane -- big risk. Typing a message to DVDTalk -- I might lose my place, but not much risk.
This is true. I've blacked out many times while typing messages on DVDTalk. The risk is m----------------
Giantrobo
11-10-09, 03:07 PM
No other animals save Crows Blacked out or died right? I can't remember....
Flave
11-10-09, 03:17 PM
I like this concept that crows blacked out. Maybe only species of higher intelligence blacked out:
If so, then I would have thought that dolphins and elephants (and other intelligent species) would also have blacked out. But then again, even if they did, I guess the blackout wouldn't kill too many of them; elephants would just take a nice 2.5 minute timeout on the savanna, while dolphins would just cruise along on autopilot for the same period.
mnementh
11-10-09, 05:41 PM
Maybe only species of higher intelligence blacked out
That'll be confirmed if an episode reveals that Heidi Montag didn't have a blackout.
dolphins would just cruise along on autopilot for the same period.
Plenty of them would drown.
PopcornTreeCt
11-10-09, 06:48 PM
I liked this episode. I think Jett Jackson saved the show. I'm more interested now that I know they can change the future.
But it did come out of nowhere. Did he piss someone off on the show? He seemed to be written out very quickly. His additional scene in his FlashForward was just written for that episode.
lisadoris
11-10-09, 07:14 PM
But it did come out of nowhere. Did he piss someone off on the show? He seemed to be written out very quickly. His additional scene in his FlashForward was just written for that episode.
The actor was never in the cast shots so I wonder whether the character was supposed to be temporary. In previous episodes I got the feeling he was hiding something in his flash forward now we know what it was.
Flave
11-11-09, 03:09 PM
That'll be confirmed if an episode reveals that Heidi Montag didn't have a blackout.
LOL. There's a guy on here whose avatar is her boyfriend -- whatshisname. I swear I actually skip his posts because I can't stand to look at that idiot face.
Plenty of them would drown.
Nah, dolphins sleep underwater -- they wouldn't drown.
SteelWill
11-11-09, 05:07 PM
LOL. There's a guy on here whose avatar is her boyfriend -- whatshisname. I swear I actually skip his posts because I can't stand to look at that idiot face.
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