Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html)
The decline in Barack Obama's popularity since July has been the steepest of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years.
Gallup recorded an average daily approval rating of 53 per cent for Mr Obama for the third quarter of the year, a sharp drop from the 62 per cent he recorded from April.
His current approval rating – hovering just above the level that would make re-election an uphill struggle – is close to the bottom for newly-elected president. Mr Obama entered the White House with a soaring 78 per cent approval rating.
The bad polling news came as Mr Obama returned to the campaign trail to prevent his Democratic party losing two governorships next month in states in which he defeated Senator John McCain in last November's election.
Jeffrey Jones of Gallup explained: "The dominant political focus for Obama in the third quarter was the push for health care reform, including his nationally televised address to Congress in early September.
"Obama hoped that Congress would vote on health care legislation before its August recess, but that goal was missed, and some members of Congress faced angry constituents at town hall meetings to discuss health care reform. Meanwhile, unemployment continued to climb near 10 per cent."
Governor Jon Corzine of New Jersey is in severe danger of defeat while Democrats are fast losing hope that Creigh Deeds can beat his Republican opponent in Virginia. Twin Democratic losses would be a major blow to Mr Obama's prestige.
Campaigning for Mr Corzine in Hackensack on Wednesday night, Mr Obama delivered a plea that almost seemed as much for himself as the local candidate: "I'm here today to urge you to cast aside the cynics and the sceptics, and prove to all Americans that leaders who do what's right and who do what's hard will be rewarded and not rejected."
Mr Corzine, a former Goldman Sachs executive and multi-millionaire, is currently running even in New Jersey, which is normally comfortably Democratic, while Mr Deeds is trailing badly in Virginia, a swing state that was key to Mr Obama's 2008 victory.
Mr Obama is also facing widespread criticism for his drawn-out decision-making process over what to do next in Afghanistan.
Republicans sense Mr Obama is in a vulnerable position and this week saw the return to the public stage of his perhaps most vehement opponent – Vice-President Dick Cheney.
In a blistering speech on Wednesday night, he accused Mr Obama of failing to give Americans troops on the ground a clear mission or defined goals and of being seemingly "afraid to make a decision" about Afghanistan "The White House must stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger," Cheney said at the Center for Security Policy in Washington.
"Make no mistake, signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries."
He hit out at Obama aides who suggested that the Bush administration had failed to weigh up conditions in Afghanistan properly before committing troops.
"Now they seem to be pulling back and blaming others for their failure to implement the strategy they embraced. It's time for President Obama to do what it takes to win a war he has repeatedly and rightly called a war of necessity."
Should be interesting to see how this effects the 2010 Congressional races.
In my opinion, it's his broken promises that are the reason for the decline. He still hasn't figured out he's no longer RUNNING for office. Now he actually has to PERFORM.
orangecrush
10-23-09, 11:52 AM
I think the decline can be attributed to overly elevated expectations. I also don't think his approval ratings will matter nearly as much as the unemployment rate.
mosquitobite
10-23-09, 11:56 AM
You know, when we started into the recession I got to thinking that it was probably best for a Democrat to win the WH. Because most of the sheeple actually think the President has power over things like the economy, I'm glad that it's Obama that's getting the blame. :lol:
Could be worse (for me, at least). It could be McCain doing the same shit Obama and the Democrats in Congress are doing, but then Republicanism would be getting the blame. rotfl
It's too bad people won't see that the stimulus package was nothing more than pork. It's too bad people will still look to the govt to save them.
The Bus
10-23-09, 11:59 AM
It's too bad people won't see that the stimulus package was nothing more than pork. It's too bad people will still look to the govt to save them.
-ohbfrank-
nemein
10-23-09, 12:08 PM
"prove to all Americans that leaders who do what's right and who do what's hard will be rewarded and not rejected"
That's what is hopefully going to happen in NJ and VA in a couple of weeks when the Reps are elected ;)
kvrdave
10-23-09, 12:12 PM
I think the decline can be attributed to overly elevated expectations. I also don't think his approval ratings will matter nearly as much as the unemployment rate.
My thought as well. He was suppose to pay my mortgage, the cheap bastard.
Groucho
10-23-09, 12:24 PM
Compare to Bush, who got a huge ratings spike about this time during his first time.
nemein
10-23-09, 12:28 PM
Not sure that's really comparable though ;)
orangecrush
10-23-09, 12:40 PM
Yeah, let's hope Obama doesn't get that kind of spike.
taa455
10-23-09, 12:56 PM
Not surprising. He hasn't done much of substance, and what he has done seems to have a negative effect. He promised to create jobs (which I disagree is a function of the gov't) and yet jobs continue to vanish.
Nazgul
10-23-09, 12:58 PM
Racism is on the rise. :(
X
10-23-09, 01:02 PM
His approval isn't doing much better with the leaders of our allies either.
PARIS (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy, initially dubbed Sarko the American for his pro-U.S. stance, is finding it much tougher to deal with Washington than he had anticipated and is recalibrating his policies accordingly.
Stung by perceived snubs from U.S. President Barack Obama and encouraged by the growing importance of the G20, Sarkozy is increasingly reaching out to non-aligned states in an effort to extend France's international influence.
He has forged especially close ties with Brazil, is seeking alliances in central Asia and is intensifying his activities in the Middle East, using multi-billion dollar military and civilian nuclear trade deals as his calling card.
These initiatives are being played out against a discordant tone in Franco-American relations. This lack of harmony does not constitute a crisis, but is nonetheless raising eyebrows.
"Sarkozy has clearly been thrown off course in his relations with America," said Didier Billion, a senior researcher at the Institute of International and Strategic Relations (IRIS).
"America remains of primordial importance to him, but things are more complicated than they were a few months ago," he said.
Following his election in 2007, Sarkozy swiftly established a close friendship with the-then U.S. president, George W. Bush, and buried the U.S.-French row over the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-43390720091023Gordon Brown lurched from being hailed as a global statesman to intense embarrassment tonight, after it emerged US President Barack Obama had turned down no fewer than five requests from Downing Street to hold a bilateral meeting at the United Nations in New York or at the G20 summit starting in Pittsburgh today.
The prime minister, eager to portray himself as a leading player on the international stage in America this week, was also forced to play down suggestions from inside his own party that he might step down early, either due to ill health or deteriorating eyesight.
There have been tensions between the White House and No 10 for weeks over Brown's handling of the Scottish government's decision to release the man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.
Brown's efforts to secure a prestigious primetime slot for his keynote speech at the general assembly in New York were also thwarted when the Libyan leader, Colonel Gaddafi, delivered a 100-minute speech to the UN, massively running over Brown's 15 minute slot.
Brown had not only been seeking a bilateral meeting with Obama, but feelers were also sent out to hold a joint press conference, an event that would have boosted Brown's efforts to offer himself as a linchpin of international diplomacy. Government sources said that Britain even changed its policy on swine flu immunisation in Africa to match that of the Obama administration last week, in an attempt to rebuild relations.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/sep/23/barack-obama-gordon-brown-talksBut then Castro, Chavez and Gaddafi seem to like Obama more than previous presidents so I guess it all balances out.
tcoursen
10-23-09, 01:28 PM
That's what is hopefully going to happen in NJ and VA in a couple of weeks when the Reps are elected ;)
In NJ Corzine is gonna win. In the latest polls he is now winning. His numbers have stayed the same pretty much the whole election, but the third party independant candidate has really eaten into Christie's numbers. Corzine may very will win with 39% of the vote. Obama has done two visits here to help Corzine. The first one was very hyped up and even needed to be moved to a larger venue. Corzine got ZERO bump in his numbers from that first visit. The second visit was just this week so it is too early to tell if it will help.
But it totally defies logic that Corzine is going to win again. He has been a disaster as governor.
Numanoid
10-23-09, 01:44 PM
Because most of the sheeple actually think the President has power over things like the economy, I'm glad that it's Obama that's getting the blame. :lol:And when the economy is bouncing back over the next couple of years, as it looks like it probably will, Obama will enjoy the credit during his re-election bid.
eXcentris
10-23-09, 01:57 PM
His approval isn't doing much better with the leaders of our allies either.
When it comes to trade/foreign policy, liking someone doesn't get you very far. Nations might say that "America remains of primordial importance" but they also realize that the world has changed and that there are a lot of opportunities elsewhere.
X
10-23-09, 02:04 PM
When it comes to trade/foreign policy, liking someone doesn't get you very far. Nations might say that "America remains of primordial importance" but they also realize that the world has changed and that there are a lot of opportunities elsewhere.But we were told that being liked would be the single largest foreign relations benefit that was going to be realized from electing Obama. And countries would go out of their way to cooperate with us when he became president. You mean we were lied to?
wabio
10-23-09, 02:05 PM
Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html)
In my opinion, it's his broken promises that are the reason for the decline.
Really? Shit really hit the fan right before he stepped into office. Economists had predicted that unemployment would rise considerably for at least through the summer.........long before he took over as president.
X
10-23-09, 02:10 PM
Really? Shit really hit the fan right before he stepped into office. Economists had predicted that unemployment would rise considerably for at least through the summer.........long before he took over as president.Then why did Obama say that his stimulus package would keep unemployment from rising above 8%?
orangecrush
10-23-09, 02:19 PM
Then why did Obama say that his stimulus package would keep unemployment from rising above 8%?Don't you know that the economy was worse than anyone knew at the time ;)
maingon
10-23-09, 02:22 PM
I remember reading how unemployment and approval ratings are tied together, so its no surprise, but his approval rating is still pretty good, Opponents of his act like his poll numbers have been dropping like a rock as rush and Hannity have been saying, but his poll numbers overall have been staying pretty steady, dropping and then bouncing back and forth. Considering unemployment, Heath care, economy, Afghanistan his poll numbers are pretty good considering his poll numbers are between 50-57 percent.
but its not " his broken promises that are the reason for the decline." mostly its unemployment, it was on Politico a while back, how approval ratings follow unemployment very closely and unemployment isnt something thats going to be rebounding fast, its going to take a while, Last fall the economy was in a free fall, everything seemed to be failing, and things have improved.
So I dont think its for broken promises, he really hasn't broken any yet, but people expected everything to change overnight. He hasn't been in office for a year yet, and as far as the stimulus that's something that's suppose to work over 2 years, only 40% of the money has been dolled out so far.
X
10-23-09, 02:38 PM
He hasn't been in office for a year yet, and as far as the stimulus that's something that's suppose to work over 2 years, only 40% of the money has been dolled out so far.A timely article...Romer: Impact of stimulus will level off
By JIM KUHNHENN (AP) – 1 day ago
WASHINGTON — A top White House economist says spending from the $787 billion economic stimulus has already had its biggest impact on economic growth and will likely not contribute to significant expansion next year.
Christina Romer, the chair of President Barack Obama's Council of Economic Advisers, said Thursday that the $194 billion already spent gave a jolt to the economy that contributed to growth in the second and third quarters of the year. She told a congressional panel that by the middle of next year, the impact of the stimulus will level off. Romer said spending so far has saved or created 600,000 to 1.5 million jobs but warned that unemployment will remain high, above 9.5 percent, through the end of 2010.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i-95E_TCyqYX0CBZ5xQAV_V3VWyQD9BG76902There sure is a lot of money left to target spend right before the mid-term elections though.
CRM114
10-23-09, 02:40 PM
OMG!!!!111!!! He's at 53%!!!! :hairpull::hairpull::hairpull::hairpull:Biggest ..... drop ...... in .... 50 ....years!!!! Obama=Epic Fail!
Ky-Fi
10-23-09, 02:53 PM
"Republicans sense Mr Obama is in a vulnerable position and this week saw the return to the public stage of his perhaps most vehement opponent – Vice-President Dick Cheney."
Just shut up and retire already, Cheney. Your stupid administration is the only reason a communist like Obama could ever have been elected in the first place.
JasonF
10-23-09, 02:55 PM
Because most of the sheeple actually think the President has power over things like the economy, I'm glad that it's Obama that's getting the blame. :lol:
If you have such contempt for your fellow citizens, why do you care what they think of the president?
CRM114
10-23-09, 02:55 PM
Communist. :lol: This forum just keeps getting better and better.
Ky-Fi
10-23-09, 02:58 PM
Communist. :lol: This forum just keeps getting better and better.
I thought I was being quite polite and restrained. :confused:
General Zod
10-23-09, 02:58 PM
People are starting to see Obama for what he really is. His numbers will continue to get worse and he and his cohorts will blame it all on racism. I said I'd give Obama the benefit of the doubt when he became elected and I did.. until he pushed through the stimulus bill which was nothing but a big pork bill and he did it was a completely false sense of urgency. That's when I saw that he was going to run his administration like they run things in Chicago - with intimidation and false promises. So now I don't trust him at all, he's the wrong choice for this country, we are going way way way in the wrong direction. I don't hope he fails but it is becoming increasing obviously that he will fail and I just hope he fails quickly so we can get someone else in to pick up the pieces - and I don't care which party they are from as long as they make smart honest decisions. That would be refreshing at this stage.
wishbone
10-23-09, 02:58 PM
Fortunately, this forum doesn't represent the country as a whole.
Washington Post - ABC News Poll (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/30/AR2009033003415.html?hpid=topnews)
"Do you think things in this country are generally going in the right direction or do you feel things have gotten pretty seriously off on the wrong track?"
RIGHT DIRECTION
Dec 15%
Jan 19%
Feb 31%
Mar 42%
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling..."
APPROVE
His job as President ... 66%
The economy ... 60%
The federal budget deficit ... 52%
66% approval rating isn't solid support? (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/9360232-post124.html) Stop listening to Rush, my man. Wow.
"Everyone?" Obama has a 63% approval rating. Stop pretending everyone shares your views.
OMG!!!!111!!! He's at 53%!!!! :hairpull::hairpull::hairpull::hairpull:Biggest ..... drop ...... in .... 50 ....years!!!! Obama=Epic Fail!I think we are now looking at more realistic approval ratings for President Obama.
orangecrush
10-23-09, 03:00 PM
So I dont think its for broken promises, he really hasn't broken any yet, but people expected everything to change overnight.Just a couple off the top of my head:
- bills being posted online for a few days before he signs them
- no former lobbyists in his administration
jfoobar
10-23-09, 03:01 PM
Now if only those that have become disillusioned with the President and his administration actually had a feasible and reasonable alternative to turn to. :lol:
Besides political apathy that is.
nemein
10-23-09, 03:17 PM
I think we are now looking at more realistic approval ratings for President Obama.
What's more amusing is the tone of the posts you quoted and how they have changed over time ;)
nemein
10-23-09, 03:18 PM
Now if only those that have become disillusioned with the President and his administration actually had a feasible and reasonable alternative to turn to. :lol:
Besides political apathy that is.
There have been plans/alternatives proposed on a lot of the things Obama has done. However the Dems are the party in power so they are calling the shots now.
Sean O'Hara
10-23-09, 03:22 PM
Now if only those that have become disillusioned with the President and his administration actually had a feasible and reasonable alternative to turn to. :lol:
Besides political apathy that is.
I see nothing wrong with a generation of idealistic kids becoming politically apathetic.
Just think how much better the world would be if this had happened in the '60s and hippies stopped caring about politics.
Goldblum
10-23-09, 03:25 PM
What's more amusing is the tone of the posts you quoted and how they have changed over time ;)
Yes, it's somewhat telling. :lol:
jfoobar
10-23-09, 03:27 PM
There have been plans/alternatives proposed on a lot of the things Obama has done. However the Dems are the party in power so they are calling the shots now.
That's not what I meant. This isn't about the occasional reasoned Republican voice in Congress proposing an alternative to something (that gets almost no news coverage at all, of course). The thing that drew a lot of independent and moderate voters to Obama and led to his comfortable victory was that he was what appeared to be a somewhat reasonable alternative to the political excesses of the Bush administration. Many of those folks have become disillusioned with Obama in the past couple of months.
Yet, there really is very little palatable alternative back the other way. The Republicans, as a whole, have not tempered themselves so as to appeal to moderates. If anything, they have gone the other way, or at least that is the very strong perception.
CRM114
10-23-09, 03:30 PM
The Repubs used to have the audacity to accuse us of wanting the US to fail in Iraq. I'm beginning to wonder if the Repubs want the economy to fail so they can elect Palin (or whatever loon they trot out) in 2012.
jfoobar
10-23-09, 03:33 PM
His numbers have stayed the same pretty much the whole election, but the third party independant candidate has really eaten into Christie's numbers. Corzine may very will win with 39% of the vote. Obama has done two visits here to help Corzine. The first one was very hyped up and even needed to be moved to a larger venue.
Man, give the guy a break.
CRM114
10-23-09, 03:33 PM
What's more amusing is the tone of the posts you quoted and how they have changed over time ;)
I don't think ANY of those approval ratings are alarming. Do you? 53% are the people who voted for him. The others are those who did not OR gave him the benefit of the doubt. It's not surprising that those doubters would flip easily in tough times.
I also don't see this big change in tone of my posts. My only tone now is exasperation. It's why I spend more time in the other forums lately.
orangecrush
10-23-09, 03:37 PM
Man, give the guy a break.:lol:
nemein
10-23-09, 04:09 PM
My only tone now is exasperation.
Good I did read you correctly... -ptth-
As far as the polls go, no I don't think they are really bad now, but I do think the quick downward slide is potentially a bad indicator of things to come for Obama... hopefully ;) And no I don't hope he "fails", I just want him to be a one term president and go away. I think he's going to take the country in the wrong direction and in the end do a lot more lasting damage than anything Bush did.
nemein
10-23-09, 04:11 PM
Yet, there really is very little palatable alternative back the other way. The Republicans, as a whole, have not tempered themselves so as to appeal to moderates. If anything, they have gone the other way, or at least that is the very strong perception.
Ah... gotcha. Now that comment I agree w/. Both sides these days seem to be marketing themselves more as "at least we're not them" then telling you directly why you should put them into power. Kind of pathetic really -ohbfrank-
orangecrush
10-23-09, 04:16 PM
I think he's going to take the country in the wrong direction and in the end do a lot more lasting damage than anything Bush did.That seems like a tall order to me.
nemein
10-23-09, 04:49 PM
That seems like a tall order to me.
Not really when you think about it. In the end, w/o getting into a discussion about lives lost since obviously nothing can be done about that, IMHO there's very little that Bush did that can't be undone. America's image may be tattered/bruised a bit but that can be repaired (and frankly I don't think it's a beaten up as some people would like to think). Some of the spending programs were out of control, but if we ever get a fiscally responsible person back in office that can be fixed... big IF there though :( The aspects of torture, wiretaps, etc could all easily be undone (although this admin seems less eager to undo some of them now that they are in power). The most major/lasting thing I can think of off hand is the creation of DHS. I'm sure people will disagree and come up w/ other issues/things I'm just not thinking/remembering now, but to me most of what Bush did seems to be transitory. Obama on the other hand plans to make some fundamental and lasting changes to the US. Now whether those are for the better or worse can be debated and remains to be seen, but I think if Obama is allowed to do everything he wants to do in the end we'll be worse off for it.
superdeluxe
10-23-09, 05:11 PM
I think the decline can be attributed to overly elevated expectations.
This. Everyone thought Obama was going to fix everything in 6 months.
superdeluxe
10-23-09, 05:14 PM
When it comes to trade/foreign policy, liking someone doesn't get you very far. .
Isn't that why Obama got the Nobel Peace prize? For his ability to get everyone to the table etc etc.
mosquitobite
10-23-09, 05:14 PM
Both sides these days seem to be marketing themselves more as "at least we're not them" then telling you directly why you should put them into power. Kind of pathetic really -ohbfrank-
Yep. It's easy to see why people would become apathetic. :(
superdeluxe
10-23-09, 05:15 PM
OMG!!!!111!!! He's at 53%!!!! :hairpull::hairpull::hairpull::hairpull:Biggest ..... drop ...... in .... 50 ....years!!!! Obama=Epic Fail!
Yeah but he did win the peace prize!
orangecrush
10-23-09, 05:30 PM
Not really when you think about it. In the end, w/o getting into a discussion about lives lost since obviously nothing can be done about that, IMHO there's very little that Bush did that can't be undone. America's image may be tattered/bruised a bit but that can be repaired (and frankly I don't think it's a beaten up as some people would like to think). Some of the spending programs were out of control, but if we ever get a fiscally responsible person back in office that can be fixed... big IF there though :( The aspects of torture, wiretaps, etc could all easily be undone (although this admin seems less eager to undo some of them now that they are in power). The most major/lasting thing I can think of off hand is the creation of DHS. I'm sure people will disagree and come up w/ other issues/things I'm just not thinking/remembering now, but to me most of what Bush did seems to be transitory. Obama on the other hand plans to make some fundamental and lasting changes to the US. Now whether those are for the better or worse can be debated and remains to be seen, but I think if Obama is allowed to do everything he wants to do in the end we'll be worse off for it.Maybe I'm overly pessimistic, but I don't see us going for "more liberty and less security" any time in future. I don't see future executives curtailing their power either (though it has been done in the past, so it is certainly possible). I hope I am wrong though.
nemein
10-23-09, 05:54 PM
Maybe I'm overly pessimistic, but I don't see us going for "more liberty and less security" any time in future. I don't see future executives curtailing their power either (though it has been done in the past, so it is certainly possible). I hope I am wrong though.
I don't either but that didn't really start w/ the Bush admin, and any admin could easily "fix" that so I'm not sure I'd count that as lasting damage from the Bush admin.
I did think of two other lasting things from the Bush legacy though... now whether you'd call it damage depends upon your POV I guess. The Supreme Court appointees will obviously be w/ us for awhile. Also, if we didn't have the Bush years, Obama probably wouldn't have been elected.
General Zod
10-23-09, 06:42 PM
The Repubs used to have the audacity to accuse us of wanting the US to fail in Iraq. I'm beginning to wonder if the Repubs want the economy to fail so they can elect Palin (or whatever loon they trot out) in 2012.
I think the economy will recover but not in any part thanks to Obama. His "stimulus package" was nothing of the kind and if anything it has slowed the recovery.. but he got to use economy as an excuse to fund a whole bunch of pork projects. I expect more of the same with Stimulus 2 (electric boogaloo).
Rockmjd23
10-23-09, 06:45 PM
It is funny that for some people approval ratings are now unimportant but meant so much a few years ago, and of course vice versa. I didn't care about Bush's approval ratings then and don't care about Obama's now. Does anyone have a graph comparing presidential approval ratings to economic upturns and downturns?
coli
10-23-09, 07:00 PM
I know so many people who regret voting for Obama these days, as these are the 'swing voters' campaigns seek after every 4 years.
I keep telling them, "What did you expect?" Now I am not trashing Obama, but did anyone expect anything other then him being a liberal??? He has a Democratic Congress with huge majorities, and people I know are in shock that he wasn't that man who would be above politics!
Bush was same in 2000 when he came with the same image of 'working with dems' when he was Governor of Texas. He eventually became a partisan republican president, as won in 2004 on his base.
Until we elect a legitimate 3rd party candidate (someone who isn't as nutty as Ross Perot), they can come to Washington and not be beholden to the special interests and extremes of each party. It is the same old shit in Washington, but just another party in power. Bush spent billions on bailouts, Obama spend billions on bailouts, Bush started 2 wars, and Obama promised to end them, and we all know now he is going to have INCREASE troops.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
-The Who, Wont Get Fooled Again
sracer
10-23-09, 07:28 PM
Until we elect a legitimate 3rd party candidate (someone who isn't as nutty as Ross Perot), they can come to Washington and not be beholden to the special interests and extremes of each party. It is the same old shit in Washington, but just another party in power. Bush spent billions on bailouts, Obama spend billions on bailouts, Bush started 2 wars, and Obama promised to end them, and we all know now he is going to have INCREASE troops.
As long as there are people like you who consider Ross Perot to be nutty there is no hope for change.
eXcentris
10-23-09, 07:30 PM
But we were told that being liked would be the single largest foreign relations benefit that was going to be realized from electing Obama. And countries would go out of their way to cooperate with us when he became president. You mean we were lied to?
Being liked will get you cooperation and good will on the diplomatic front, but considering nations are trying to get themselves out a recession, don't expect them to bow down to the US when it comes to trade/commerce/economics issues, especially when it's now obvious that major opportunities lie elsewhere.
Dr Mabuse
10-23-09, 07:35 PM
Being liked will get you cooperation and good will on the diplomatic front,
You sure?
My "cooperation" detector hasn't registered anything since he came into office.
classicman2
10-23-09, 08:05 PM
Being liked will get you cooperation and good will on the diplomatic front, but considering nations are trying to get themselves out a recession, don't expect them to bow down to the US when it comes to trade/commerce/economics issues, especially when it's now obvious that major opportunities lie elsewhere.
:lol:
I know you don't really believe that.
btw: I wonder what Obama's approval rating is in Israel?
eXcentris
10-23-09, 08:34 PM
You sure?
My "cooperation" detector hasn't registered anything since he came into office.
Well, anything is better than a "coalition of the willing." :)
eXcentris
10-23-09, 08:35 PM
:lol:
I know you don't really believe that.
:hscratch:
parrotheads4
10-23-09, 08:44 PM
Until we elect a legitimate 3rd party candidate (someone who isn't as nutty as Ross Perot), they can come to Washington and not be beholden to the special interests and extremes of each party. It is the same old shit in Washington, but just another party in power. Bush spent billions on bailouts, Obama spend billions on bailouts, Bush started 2 wars, and Obama promised to end them, and we all know now he is going to have INCREASE troops.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
-The Who, Wont Get Fooled Again
I think the only thing that could ever unite Democrats and Republicans is the election of a third party candidate!
pedagogue
10-23-09, 09:27 PM
In my opinion, it's his broken promises that are the reason for the decline.
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He also had an inflated start. Time to start keeping your promises Barack.
wmansir
10-23-09, 11:23 PM
In my opinion, it's his broken promises that are the reason for the decline.
I'd like to see the breakdown of DEM/IND/GOP voter approval rating trends. I think a good chunk of his overall drop was in the first few months and most of that was from GOP/IND with little from the DEMs.
Still, while his base might not be as exuberant as they were, I don't think Obama has done anything to really piss them off. It's not like in 2006 when Bush killed his approval ratings by heavily pushing immigration reform that was strongly opposed by a good portion of his base.
Dr Mabuse
10-24-09, 01:26 PM
"The problem isn't his personality, it's his policies. His problem isn't what Bush left but what Obama himself has done." - Peggy Noonan
Brack
10-24-09, 01:43 PM
Another Obama approval rating thread, yay!
jfoobar
10-24-09, 02:03 PM
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He also had an inflated start. Time to start keeping your promises Barack.
I tend to disagree. There are undoubtedly many thousands and thousands of people who are upset with the current administration's failures (or perceptions of failures) to live up to specific campaign promises (or perceptions of promises). However, the bulk of the decline in his approval rating is simply the the result in the widespread perception that he is simultaneously:
1. Spending way too much money
2. Increasing government involvement in our lives
Pick random citizens from the crowd of folks who have changed their Obama approval vote from "yes" to "no" in recent weeks and ask them to explain and I doubt you would get much that was more well-formulated than what I listed above out of the vast majority of them.
Dr Mabuse
10-24-09, 02:41 PM
That ^ quote was from Peggy Noonan's recent WSJ article.
An excerpt:
The problem isn't his personality, it's his policies. His problem isn't what George W. Bush left but what he himself has done. It is a problem of political judgement, of putting forward bills that were deeply flawed or off-point. Bailouts, the stimulus package, cap-and-trade; turning to health care at the exact moment in history when his countrymen were turning their concerns to the economy, joblessness, debt and deficits—all of these reflect a misreading of the political terrain. They are matters of political judgment, not personality. (Republicans would best heed this as they gear up for 2010: Don't hit him, hit his policies. That's where the break with the people is occurring.)
The result of all this is flagging public support, a drop in the polls, and independents peeling off.
In this atmosphere, with these dynamics, Mr. Obama's excuse-begging and defensiveness won't work.
Everyone knows he was handed horror. They want him to fix it.
At some point, you own your presidency. At some point it's your rubble. At some point the American people tell you it's yours. The polls now, with the presidential approval numbers going down and the disapproval numbers going up: That's the American people telling him.
"The problem isn't his personality, it's his policies. His problem isn't what Bush left but what Obama himself has done." - Peggy Noonan
Some things in life need to be mysterious. Sometimes you need to just keep walking. Any time Peggy Noonan opens her mouth, it's one of those times.
wm lopez
10-24-09, 05:59 PM
I know so many people who regret voting for Obama these days, as these are the 'swing voters' campaigns seek after every 4 years.
I keep telling them, "What did you expect?" Now I am not trashing Obama, but did anyone expect anything other then him being a liberal??? He has a Democratic Congress with huge majorities, and people I know are in shock that he wasn't that man who would be above politics!
Bush was same in 2000 when he came with the same image of 'working with dems' when he was Governor of Texas. He eventually became a partisan republican president, as won in 2004 on his base.
Until we elect a legitimate 3rd party candidate (someone who isn't as nutty as Ross Perot), they can come to Washington and not be beholden to the special interests and extremes of each party. It is the same old shit in Washington, but just another party in power. Bush spent billions on bailouts, Obama spend billions on bailouts, Bush started 2 wars, and Obama promised to end them, and we all know now he is going to have INCREASE troops.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
-The Who, Wont Get Fooled Again
Well said.
I too posted THE WHO part months ago on another thread.
wm lopez
10-24-09, 06:05 PM
I think the only thing that could ever unite Democrats and Republicans is the election of a third party candidate!
But then it will be too late.
That 3rd party will be THE ONE WORLD LEADER.
And since Obama has wiped all hope away from this young generation they will turn over to that leader.
Obama's job approval rating is at 48% according to the latest Quinnipiac Poll. It's the first time it's been below 50%.
kvrdave
11-18-09, 11:37 AM
Racism is on the rise.
Breakfast with Girls
11-21-09, 10:58 AM
1. Spending way too much money
2. Increasing government involvement in our livesAnd yet you didn't have tea parties when Bush was busy spending $700 billion for Iraq or passing Medicare Part D. It's all politics and tribalism. And suddenly it's 2015 and we're spending 1/3 of revenue (projected) on debt interest alone.
crazyronin
11-21-09, 11:06 AM
And yet you didn't have tea parties when Bush was busy spending $700 billion for Iraq or passing Medicare Part D. It's all politics and tribalism. And suddenly it's 2015 and we're spending 1/3 of revenue (projected) on debt interest alone.
By the same token, the people who were once squealing about the "treasure" we were wasting on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are now as silent as churchmice.
Dr Mabuse
11-21-09, 12:21 PM
Obama is another Jimmy Carter.
I'm starting to question whether he will see a second term, up until now I had assumed he would have a second term.
sracer
11-21-09, 12:35 PM
Obama is another Jimmy Carter.
I view Obama as a Jimmy Carter without the kindness. When Carter was president, I remember thinking that he seemed like a nice, well-intentioned person who was simply not fit for the job. But Obama has that street thug dirty fighter attitude while still seeming unfit for the job. (IMO)
Obama is another Jimmy Carter. I'm starting to question whether he will see a second term, up until now I had assumed he would have a second term.
Obama will most likely see a 2nd term... if it is one thing that being a community organizer has taught him, was how to buy votes.
BKenn01
11-21-09, 12:37 PM
I view Obama as a Jimmy Carter without the kindness. When Carter was president, I remember thinking that he seemed like a nice, well-intentioned person who was simply not fit for the job. But Obama has that street thug dirty fighter attitude while still seeming unfit for the job. (IMO)
I'm starting to question whether he will see a second term, up until now I had assumed he would have a second term.
Obama will most likely see a 2nd term... if it is one thing that being a community organizer has taught him, was how to buy votes.[/QUOTE]
Or steal em........
JasonF
11-21-09, 01:19 PM
So Barack Obama is an unlikable incompetent who will only get a second term through fraud and deceit?
Red Dog
11-21-09, 01:28 PM
Don't be so hard on him. He's a likable incompetent.
arminius
11-21-09, 02:44 PM
Don't be so hard on him. He's a likable incompetent.
:up:
classicman2
11-21-09, 02:55 PM
Don't be so hard on him. He's a likable incompetent.
:lol:
Jason
11-21-09, 07:24 PM
So Barack Obama is an unlikable incompetent who will only get a second term through fraud and deceit?
Just like his first term. Remember the recent poll where a clear majority of these retards think ACORN stole the 2008 election?
classicman2
11-21-09, 08:24 PM
But do you agree that Obama is a likeable incompetent? ;)
JasonF
11-21-09, 09:06 PM
Don't be so hard on him. He's a likable incompetent.
Not according to sracer:
I view Obama as a Jimmy Carter without the kindness. When Carter was president, I remember thinking that he seemed like a nice, well-intentioned person who was simply not fit for the job. But Obama has that street thug dirty fighter attitude while still seeming unfit for the job. (IMO)
But maybe sracer likes street thug dirty fighters without kindness. :shrug:
DeputyDave
11-21-09, 10:02 PM
So Barack Obama is an unlikable incompetent who will only get a second term through fraud and deceit?
Don't forget to add through racism and white guilt.
nemein
11-21-09, 11:24 PM
Don't be so hard on him. He's a likable incompetent.
I disagree... I believe he's very competent at what he does, I just happen to disagree w/ the majority of that. Frankly I don't find him very likable though. Maybe if I met him personally I'd feel differently about him on that level, but politically/professionally I don't like him.
Red Dog
11-22-09, 12:09 AM
I disagree... I believe he's very competent at what he does, I just happen to disagree w/ the majority of that. Frankly I don't find him very likable though. Maybe if I met him personally I'd feel differently about him on that level, but politically/professionally I don't like him.
I'd like to have a beer or drink with him (or a burger at Five Guys or Ray's Hellburger since that's all he seems to have the requisite knowledge of). I wouldn't let him choose the beer. That's my philosophy.
dan30oly
11-22-09, 01:13 AM
So Barack Obama is an unlikable incompetent who will only get a second term through fraud and deceit?
That is correct sir.
kvrdave
11-22-09, 01:41 AM
So Barack Obama is an unlikable incompetent who will only get a second term through fraud and deceit?
I would also go with likable incompetent. He filled out an NCAA bracket and did very well with it. He drinks beer. He is very likable. But he also bows while trying to shake hands at the same time. He's done a number of things that tell me he is over his head with this job. I've kept thinking that it is just more of a transition that he expected, but you can only say for so long.
Hank Ringworm
11-22-09, 02:44 AM
So Barack Obama is an unlikable incompetent who will only get a second term through fraud and deceit?
He's very competent. His policies are unlikeable. He will only get a second term through fraud and deceit.
(That's how he got his first term.)
DeputyDave
11-22-09, 02:49 AM
He's very competent. His policies are unlikeable. He will only get a second term through fraud and deceit.
(That's how he got his first term.)
I don't know how you can call him competent. Other than getting elected what has he gotten done while having control of everything?
Hank Ringworm
11-22-09, 02:52 AM
I don't know how you can call him competent. Other than getting elected what has he gotten done while having control of everything?
He's competent in his deceit, is what I meant.
nemein
11-22-09, 07:59 AM
I don't know how you can call him competent. Other than getting elected what has he gotten done while having control of everything?
Got through a huge spending "bail out" program. Is about to get health care reform through and then they are going to move on to this carbon tax/"energy" bill. Overall he's creating worse fiscal situations than Bush did and very few people seem to be calling him out on it and many are asking for more. He's also left some of the policies he criticized Bush for in place (wiretap program for one) and few have called him out on that. IMHO he's in the process of reshaping the US into something else and getting away w/ it so far. Now whether that end result is a good thing or a bad thing is something we can debate, but incompetent is not a word I would use for him personally.
Now some aspects of the job may have overwhelmed him; he seems incapable so far of making any decisions about Afghanistan, and I think most people agree he jumped the gun on Gitmo before having fully thought it out, but neither of those seem to be part of his prime agenda which is focused mostly on domestic issues.
DeputyDave
11-22-09, 08:21 AM
Got through a huge spending "bail out" program. Is about to get health care reform through and then they are going to move on to this carbon tax/"energy" bill. Overall he's creating worse fiscal situations than Bush did and very few people seem to be calling him out on it and many are asking for more. He's also left some of the policies he criticized Bush for in place (wiretap program for one) and few have called him out on that. IMHO he's in the process of reshaping the US into something else and getting away w/ it so far. Now whether that end result is a good thing or a bad thing is something we can debate, but incompetent is not a word I would use for him personally.
Now some aspects of the job may have overwhelmed him; he seems incapable so far of making any decisions about Afghanistan, and I think most people agree he jumped the gun on Gitmo before having fully thought it out, but neither of those seem to be part of his prime agenda which is focused mostly on domestic issues.I'll concede on the bail out but it could be argued that it was simply a supersized continuation of Bush's plan and that anyone could have gotten it through considering the climate. I wouldn't consider the Health bill passed until it really is. Even if it is passed it isn't anything close to what Obama wanted so even success could be considered a failure. I certainly wouldn't count of cap and trade passing either.
He's a failure on almost every count. As a conservative I despise him for what he wants to do, were I a liberal I would despise him for what he can't do.
classicman2
11-22-09, 08:22 AM
If he fails to get health care reform will his approval ratings drop or will they rise?
nemein
11-22-09, 09:52 AM
If he fails to get health care reform will his approval ratings drop or will they rise?
My guess would be they'll drop. Those opposed to the reform seem to be those also opposed to him in general, so I doubt they'll change to the plus category (unless Obama refuses to sign something and what's the likelihood of that?). Those that are for the reform may change to the negative category depending upon the way the bill is killed/doesn't pass (whether it's blamed on the Reps or if the Dems can't get their act together).
classicman2
11-22-09, 10:57 AM
I believe they'll drop also.
The real question is - when will his poll ratings drop into the 30s?
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