Only one season left. Boston, Minny and St. Louis are gone. All swept.
I knew the Sox were going to lose to the Angles this year, but I thought they would have at least won one game. Oh well. The ALCS is shaping up to be epic. The Angels are playing for a fallen teammate the Yanks look like they have a real team this year and not a collection of All-Stars taking paychecks.
Should be good.
Goat3001
10-12-09, 07:31 AM
The way the Red Sox fell ass backwards into the playoffs the idea of them getting swept didn't shock me too much. I still would have bet on at least 4 games. I'm more surprised to see Papelbon implode like that.
Red Sox have a lot to look forward to next year. Bucholz has really come on and been the guy they thought he would be. Dice K should be healthy and a solid #3 starter. Lester is better than Beckett now but they're two guys you never want to have to see. Not sure if Wake is still pitching next year but finding a 5th starter shouldn't be too hard for this team.
Offense will probably see some retooling though.
huh?
10-12-09, 08:39 AM
The way the Red Sox fell ass backwards into the playoffs the idea of them getting swept didn't shock me too much. I still would have bet on at least 4 games. I'm more surprised to see Papelbon implode like that.
Red Sox have a lot to look forward to next year. Bucholz has really come on and been the guy they thought he would be. Dice K should be healthy and a solid #3 starter. Lester is better than Beckett now but they're two guys you never want to have to see. Not sure if Wake is still pitching next year but finding a 5th starter shouldn't be too hard for this team.
Offense will probably see some retooling though.
Not worried about pitching. Its the hitting.
Goat3001
10-12-09, 11:25 AM
^I think the offensive woes are a bit overrated. They didn't have a bad year, the just seemed to go into a rut at the wrong times. Considering this team had the second best record in the AL, I wouldn't think it's a big problem. They just slumped at the end of the season and carried it over into October.
Anyway, good to see the Yankees put away the Twins so fast. I really like the Twins and I'm hoping that they make a big move this offseason for a true ace. The lineup is solid and they happen to have a guy named Morneau coming back. Add a big pitcher and I wouldn't be surprised to see this team in the ALCS next year. Where they would get swept by the Yankees.
Anyway I'm happy to see Pavano on the losing end of the last game of the Twins season. That guy is a true piece of shit. I was just hoping the Yankees would tattoo him and get him hooked in the 2nd.
The ALCS is setting up to be a war. Can't wait.
raven56706
10-12-09, 12:08 PM
cant wait... friday needs to get here now
starman9000
10-12-09, 12:29 PM
It'd be nice if they could push it up, but I suppose then you'd potentially be waiting forever for the WS game too.
CRM114
10-12-09, 01:06 PM
Glad I took off today. Went to bed wired at 2:30 AM. Could've been worse, could've been a loss. 2:15 AM and Lidge on the mound? Oh my.
wirefan
10-12-09, 04:05 PM
Must have missed the outrage over the blown call last nice where Utley gets a single off a ball he fouled off himself which helped to set up the game winning sacrifice fly (and did he even beat the throw to first if we continue to pretend it didn't hit him?) Was the ump paid off?
coli
10-12-09, 04:17 PM
Must have missed the outrage over the blown call last nice where Utley gets a single off a ball he fouled off himself which helped to set up the game winning sacrifice fly (and did he even beat the throw to first if we continue to pretend it didn't hit him?) Was the ump paid off?
The Ump actually admitted that Utley sold it well. If Utley would have paused, then he would have called the play dead, but because Utley ran, he let the play go on.
Chase Utley, Best Actor Oscar 2009:)
BravesMG
10-12-09, 04:27 PM
Really? I missed that Utley play entirely, and I was watching the game, just thought he squibbed out a hit. I guess that's what happens at 2 IN THE MORNING. I'm surprised the lateness of the game isn't getting more outrage.
LickTheABCs
10-12-09, 04:35 PM
Was the ump paid off?
If he was he was doing a terrible job at it. Worst strike zone of the postseason so far, and that's saying a lot.
Plus, with Utley, the guy's been hit buy 1,762 pitches, I don't think he even feels them anymore.
wirefan
10-12-09, 06:21 PM
Wow - Rockies just got jobbed on another call at first.
I guess LA/Philly sounds better than LA/Colorado ;)
BravesMG
10-12-09, 06:56 PM
It really is amazing how many calls are being botched. That was a ridiculously close play, but the percentage of calls screwed up in the postseason seems much higher than I've ever seen it before.
BravesMG
10-12-09, 06:58 PM
Terrible tag by Atkins there. Umps finally got a close play correct.
Deftones
10-12-09, 07:03 PM
yeah, that was totally the right call.
Deftones
10-12-09, 08:05 PM
damn, that double play was a rally killer.
whotony
10-12-09, 08:06 PM
Tuuulooooooh!
BravesMG
10-12-09, 08:25 PM
...and another ball lost in the lights?
El Scorcho
10-12-09, 08:36 PM
Just sayin'
N.Y. Yankees $201,449,289 $7,748,050
New York Mets 135,773,988 4,849,071
Chicago Cubs 135,050,000 5,402,000
Boston 122,696,000 4,089,867
Detroit 115,085,145 4,110,184
Los Angeles Angels 113,709,000 4,061,036
Philadelphia 113,004,048 4,185,335
Houston 102,996,415 3,814,682
Los Angeles Dodgers 100,458,101 4,018,324
Seattle 98,904,167 3,532,292
Atlanta 96,726,167 3,335,385
Chicago White Sox 96,068,500 3,694,942
St. Louis 88,528,411 3,278,830
San Francisco 82,161,450 3,043,017
Cleveland 81,625,567 3,023,169
Toronto 80,993,657 2,892,631
Milwaukee 80,257,502 3,086,827
Colorado 75,201,000 2,785,222
Arizona 73,571,667 2,724,877
Cincinnati 70,968,500 2,957,021
Kansas City 70,908,333 2,727,244
Texas 68,646,023 2,367,104
Baltimore 67,101,667 2,580,833
Minnesota 65,299,267 2,251,699
Tampa Bay 63,313,035 2,183,208
Oakland 62,310,000 2,225,357
Washington 59,328,000 2,045,793
Pittsburgh 48,743,000 1,874,731
San Diego 42,796,700 1,528,454
Florida 36,814,000 1,314,786
wirefan
10-12-09, 08:36 PM
I love how the TBS announcers just assume the pitch trax is accurate - it shows balls that are just barely above the dirt as just missing the strike zone. Umps been giving Lee way too many of those low pitches at the bottom of the zone
wirefan
10-12-09, 08:57 PM
Holy crap - Dexter Fowler... that was awesome! :lol:
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:00 PM
That was crazy, Rollins didn't look like he could comprehend what just happened :D.
Mad Dawg
10-12-09, 09:01 PM
Wow. Francisco made a sick, clutch grab right off the bench.
whotony
10-12-09, 09:01 PM
what the bleep was that throw?
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:02 PM
I was just thinking what the hell was the point of putting Francisco in there :lol:.
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:03 PM
...and Giambi comes through. Hell of an inning here.
wirefan
10-12-09, 09:04 PM
that was a tremendous catch coming off the bench (and gutsy as hell)
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:05 PM
Hot damn, Rockies might live to see another day here.
Mad Dawg
10-12-09, 09:05 PM
Madsen was a good choice here. I mean, what good has Cliff Lee been?
whotony
10-12-09, 09:05 PM
all the runners the phils left on base.
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:06 PM
Madsen was a good choice here. I mean, what good has Cliff Lee been?I was thinking that as well and thought it was overkill to double switch in that position because of a squibber. Lee still looked like he was in complete control out there.
wirefan
10-12-09, 09:07 PM
Madsen was a good choice here. I mean, what good has Cliff Lee been?
Must...use... bullpen... 8th inning guy = bring him in no matter what...
Manuel went from genius with the double switch to second-guessing in <5 minutes. :)
whotony
10-12-09, 09:08 PM
wow nice inning here for Madsen.
Mad Dawg
10-12-09, 09:12 PM
Must...use... bullpen... 8th inning guy = bring him in no matter what...
Manuel went from genius with the double switch to second-guessing in <5 minutes. :)
:lol: Yeah, that was quick. It's just amazing how managers think that the playoffs is their time to "do something."
cardsfan111
10-12-09, 09:19 PM
Hey El Scorcho (or anyone else who might know),
Just checked into this thread and noticed you posted the payroll numbers. What's the second column of numbers? It's probably something obvious, but I'm drawing a blank.
whotony
10-12-09, 09:26 PM
wow howard had a rip at that one.
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:28 PM
What a gut punch for the Rockies there. :lol: at Victorino overrunning 3B, why the hell is he even watching the ball?
whotony
10-12-09, 09:28 PM
Holy Crap.
whotony
10-12-09, 09:29 PM
Now who pitches for the Phils after this?
Lidge again.
whotony
10-12-09, 09:30 PM
finally!!!1111111!!!!1
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:30 PM
Yikes man, what a two out rally. Then again, it is Lidge coming in...
wirefan
10-12-09, 09:30 PM
What a gut punch for the Rockies there. :lol: at Victorino overrunning 3B, why the hell is he even watching the ball?
Because he's an idiot and probably wanted to see if it was a HR so he could celebrate on his way home... Or maybe he was worried about getting doubled off 2nd with 2 out?
Street just got Papelbon'd
Mad Dawg
10-12-09, 09:33 PM
Street just got Papelbon'd
Between Papelbon, Nathan, and now Street, not much of a good show for sure-fire closers.
wirefan
10-12-09, 09:34 PM
This is a big game for the Dodgers with the NLCS starting Thursday (I think) and I assume game 2 on Friday? if there's a game 5, the top2 pitchers for either team probably wouldn't throw until games 3 and 4 and likely means only 1 of them would pitch twice.
cardsfan111
10-12-09, 09:37 PM
This is a big game for the Dodgers with the NLCS starting Thursday (I think) and I assume game 2 on Friday? if there's a game 5, the top2 pitchers for either team probably wouldn't throw until games 3 and 4 and likely means only 1 of them would pitch twice.
LA is probably licking its chops thinking about the opportunity to face either of these two bullpens. :lol:
wirefan
10-12-09, 09:38 PM
Don't you have to bunt on this guy and see if his ankle is OK?
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:39 PM
How can Manuel rob of us the drama of bringing in Lidge? Bastard. What the hell does he think I'm watching for?
whotony
10-12-09, 09:41 PM
He'll be in for the last out.
cardsfan111
10-12-09, 09:42 PM
He'll be in for the last out.
That's assuming there will be a last out. ;)
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:44 PM
How dare Chuck. What a pompass ass with his reasoning and logic.
Edit: Nevermind! I'm officially excited now.
wirefan
10-12-09, 09:45 PM
Lidge!
(Gonzalez has to be on 3rd especially with Lidge and his sliders in the dirt)
whotony
10-12-09, 09:45 PM
here we go.
I'm betting either he gets the out or gives it up.
I think if lidge gives it up here that has to be it for him no more.
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:48 PM
(Gonzalez has to be on 3rd especially with Lidge and his sliders in the dirt):lol: Ok, that makes sense. I couldn't figure out for the life of me why the hell the announcer said it was important with his sliders for Gonzalez to be on 3rd.
wirefan
10-12-09, 09:50 PM
Is it just me or is the Pitch Trax shown all the time when the Phils are batting and some of the time when the Rockies are batting?
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:51 PM
Dammit Lidge.
BravesMG
10-12-09, 09:51 PM
In HD they keep the PitchTrax box on for just about every pitch, I'm not sure on SD.
El Scorcho
10-12-09, 09:51 PM
Just sayin'
N.Y. Yankees $201,449,289 $7,748,050
New York Mets 135,773,988 4,849,071
Chicago Cubs 135,050,000 5,402,000
Boston 122,696,000 4,089,867
Detroit 115,085,145 4,110,184
Los Angeles Angels 113,709,000 4,061,036
Philadelphia 113,004,048 4,185,335
Houston 102,996,415 3,814,682
Los Angeles Dodgers 100,458,101 4,018,324
whotony
10-12-09, 09:52 PM
TuuuuuullllOooooooooHH!!!1!
whotony
10-12-09, 09:53 PM
Jeez that was a tough series the Rockies are very good in spite of losing this series.
wirefan
10-12-09, 10:08 PM
Phils showed some heart coming right back after blowing it in the bottom of the 8th. Seems like they'll have to play much better if they want to beat LA
wildcatlh
10-12-09, 10:33 PM
Phils showed some heart coming right back after blowing it in the bottom of the 8th. Seems like they'll have to play much better if they want to beat LA
Last year, the Dodgers pulverized the Cubs in a sweep, and the Phillies beat the Brewers 3-1, without really looking dominant. Just saying.
coli
10-12-09, 11:07 PM
Just sayin'
N.Y. Yankees $201,449,289 $7,748,050
New York Mets 135,773,988 4,849,071
Chicago Cubs 135,050,000 5,402,000
Boston 122,696,000 4,089,867
Detroit 115,085,145 4,110,184
Los Angeles Angels 113,709,000 4,061,036
Philadelphia 113,004,048 4,185,335
Houston 102,996,415 3,814,682
Los Angeles Dodgers 100,458,101 4,018,324
I am a Phillies fan so I am part of these big market teams, and I can enjoy Baseball in October. But after seeing that chart, and I was a fan of a small market team, that is pretty disheartening.
wirefan
10-12-09, 11:19 PM
I am a Phillies fan so I am part of these big market teams, and I can enjoy Baseball in October. But after seeing that chart, and I was a fan of a small market team, that is pretty disheartening.
especially if you look at years other than this year...
CRM114
10-12-09, 11:36 PM
Phils show that intangible attitude of a champion. Never give up. The heart of their order is a meat grinder.
coli
10-13-09, 09:01 AM
Phils show that intangible attitude of a champion. Never give up. The heart of their order is a meat grinder.
Never count this team out. This team is beloved by the fans, because they're all good guys, not one jerk on the team.
I don't know what to think of the NLCS. On paper, the Phils are a better team, but the Dodgers did have the best record, and swept the Cards. But I still look at Randy Wolf and Padilla and wonder if these guys can hold up in a 7 game series against a great Phils lineup.
Should be a great series!
cardsfan111
10-13-09, 09:14 AM
Most experts are probably going to say it will come down to the bullpens, which seems to favor LA. Lidges one-out performance last night was an encouraging sign, but probably not enough to convince anyone that he's "back".
Goat3001
10-13-09, 09:34 AM
I don't know what to think of the NLCS. On paper, the Phils are a better team, but the Dodgers did have the best record, and swept the Cards. But I still look at Randy Wolf and Padilla and wonder if these guys can hold up in a 7 game series against a great Phils lineup.
Hell no they can't. Torre did the smart thing by working around Pujols and that's why they were able to keep the Cards down. Plus the Cards offense was slumping at the time. That's not the case with the Phillies. Phillies offense will be tough to stop.
But again, I feel that if the Phillies don't have a healthy lead late in the game, it can come back to bite them. We can talk about the sweet 9th inning comeback but they wouldn't have been in that position if they had a clean 8th inning.
El Scorcho
10-13-09, 01:28 PM
especially if you look at years other than this year...
2008:
N.Y. Yankees $209,081,579 $6,744,567
Detroit 138,685,197 4,622,840
New York Mets 138,293,378 4,609,779
Boston 133,440,037 4,765,716
Chicago White Sox 121,152,667 4,487,136
Los Angeles Angels 119,216,333 4,110,908
Chicago Cubs 118,595,833 4,392,438
Los Angeles Dodgers 118,536,038 4,233,430
Seattle 117,993,982 4,538,230
Atlanta 102,424,018 3,414,134
St. Louis 100,624,450 3,049,226
Toronto 98,641,957 3,522,927
Philadelphia 98,269,881 3,388,617
Houston 88,930,415 3,293,719
Milwaukee 81,004,167 2,793,247
Cleveland 78,970,067 3,037,310
San Francisco 76,904,500 2,651,879
Cincinnati 74,277,695 2,971,108
San Diego 73,677,617 2,376,697
Colorado 68,655,500 2,640,596
Texas 68,239,551 2,353,088
Baltimore 67,196,248 2,099,883
Arizona 66,202,713 2,364,383
Minnesota 62,182,767 2,487,311
Kansas City 58,245,500 2,240,212
Washington 54,961,000 1,895,207
Pittsburgh 49,365,283 1,898,665
Oakland 47,967,126 1,713,112
Tampa Bay 43,820,598 1,460,687
Florida 21,836,500 661,712
New York Yankees $ 194,663,079
Boston Red Sox $ 120,099,824
Los Angeles Angels $ 103,472,000
Chicago White Sox $ 102,750,667
New York Mets $ 101,084,963
Los Angeles Dodgers $ 98,447,187
Chicago Cubs $ 94,424,499
Houston Astros $ 92,551,503
Atlanta Braves $ 90,156,876
San Francisco Giants $ 90,056,419
St. Louis Cardinals $ 88,891,371
Philadelphia Phillies $ 88,273,333
Seattle Mariners $ 87,959,833
Detroit Tigers $ 82,612,866
Baltimore Orioles $ 72,585,582
Toronto Blue Jays $ 71,915,000
San Diego Padres $ 69,896,141
Texas Rangers $ 68,228,662
Minnesota Twins $ 63,396,006
Washington Nationals $ 63,143,000
Oakland Athletics $ 62,243,079
Cincinnati Reds $ 60,909,519
Arizona Diamondbacks $ 59,684,226
Milwaukee Brewers $ 57,568,333
Cleveland Indians $ 56,031,500
Kansas City Royals $ 47,294,000
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 46,717,750
Colorado Rockies $ 41,233,000
Tampa Bay Rays $ 35,417,967
Florida Marlins $ 14,998,500
Goat3001
10-13-09, 03:55 PM
Just sayin'
N.Y. Yankees $201,449,289 $7,748,050
New York Mets 135,773,988 4,849,071
Chicago Cubs 135,050,000 5,402,000
Boston 122,696,000 4,089,867
Detroit 115,085,145 4,110,184
Los Angeles Angels 113,709,000 4,061,036
Philadelphia 113,004,048 4,185,335
Houston 102,996,415 3,814,682
Los Angeles Dodgers 100,458,101 4,018,324
Or you can put this aside and just enjoy two series that have the potential to be incredibly fun.
coli
10-13-09, 04:16 PM
Or you can put this aside and just enjoy two series that have the potential to be incredibly fun.
I actually agree with this when this comes to the playoffs. As much as I am for a salary cap and hate to see small market teams selling their players every year, and the big market teams scooping them up, you do have 4 good teams playing right now.
You can't ask for a better series between the Yankees and Angels. This the one team that has the Yankees number over the years, so this should go 6 or 7 games. The Phils and Dodgers are going at it, part II, as this should be another great series.
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