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JasonF
10-05-09, 05:16 PM
Saw a link to this entry over at Conservapedia:

Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations. There are three sources of errors in conveying biblical meaning:

lack of precision in the original language, such as terms underdeveloped to convey new concepts of Christianity
lack of precision in modern language
translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one.
Of these three sources of errors, the last introduces the largest error, and the biggest component of that error is liberal bias. Large reductions in this error can be attained simply by retranslating the KJV into modern English.[1]

As of 2009, there is no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines:[2]

Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias
Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[3]
Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".
Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census
Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story
Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."
Thus, a project has begun among members of Conservapedia to translate the Bible in accordance with these principles. The translated Bible can be found here.

Benefits include:

mastery of the Bible, which is priceless
mastery of the English language, which is valuable
thorough understanding of the differences in Bible translations, particularly the historically important King James Version
benefiting from activity that no public school would ever allow; a Conservative Bible could become a text for public school courses
liberals will oppose this effort, but they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds
How long would this project take? There are about 8000 verses in the New Testament. At a careful rate of translating about four verses an hour, it would take one person 2000 hours, or about one year working full time on the project.



http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

There's more at the link. I hope this is someone's idea of a joke ... but then again, I hope Conservapedia is someone's idea of a joke.

DeputyDave
10-05-09, 05:24 PM
Saw a link to this entry over at Conservapedia:



http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

There's more at the link. I hope this is someone's idea of a joke ... but then again, I hope Conservapedia is someone's idea of a joke.

I don't see a problem. If people want to put their own spin on their belief then they should knock themselves out. No one is forcing it on us.

Groucho
10-05-09, 05:28 PM
benefiting from activity that no public school would ever allow; a Conservative Bible could become a text for public school courses
liberals will oppose this effort, but they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their mindsIngenious!

JasonF
10-05-09, 05:39 PM
I don't see a problem. If people want to put their own spin on their belief then they should knock themselves out. No one is forcing it on us.

Of course they have a right to do whatever dumb-ass thing they want with the Bible, but I have a right to laugh at their dumb-assery.

Anyway, I can't wait to read the conservative version of the Sermon on the Mount. "Blessed are the neocons ..."

kvrdave
10-05-09, 05:52 PM
The bible is full of lots of liberal things. It also shows that they don't work because of the nature of man. God loves naive liberals just like everyone else.

Seems silly. There are goo literal translations, so why do something to purposely put in the spin? But then, why put out versions that are gender neutral when referring to God when the original wasn't. Both ways are stupid.

Groucho
10-05-09, 05:55 PM
There are goo literal translations, so why do something to purposely put in the spin?Damn goo bias!

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9549/googlegoo9719372.jpg

eXcentris
10-05-09, 07:08 PM
Jesus was a hippie with long hair wearing a robe who liked to hang out with a bunch of similarly clad dudes. What the hell do people expect. :)

Breakfast with Girls
10-05-09, 09:37 PM
My favorite part is that they are "translating" from the KJV instead of the original Greek and claiming their "translation" is somehow more accurate.

After reading their justification for the project, I find it incredibly sad that these people are so paranoid that they would genuinely think that their propagandized version of the New Testament is somehow more accurate.

Jason
10-05-09, 09:47 PM
Looks like they've already gotten started...

http://conservapedia.com/Gospel_of_Mark_%28Translated%29

sracer
10-05-09, 10:38 PM
Of course they have a right to do whatever dumb-ass thing they want with the Bible, but I have a right to laugh at their dumb-assery.

Anyway, I can't wait to read the conservative version of the Sermon on the Mount. "Blessed are the neocons ..."
You think that the Bible is bunch of fairy tales anyways, so what exactly is your point in posting this?

orangecrush
10-06-09, 10:18 AM
Seems silly. There are goo literal translations, so why do something to purposely put in the spin? But then, why put out versions that are gender neutral when referring to God when the original wasn't. Both ways are stupid.Agreed. Perhaps this group should spend more time reading good translations (ESV, NASB, et al) and less time complaining about liberals. It sounds like these guys may be an off shot of the KJV only dudes.

starman9000
10-06-09, 10:26 AM
My favorite part is that they are "translating" from the KJV instead of the original Greek and claiming their "translation" is somehow more accurate.

After reading their justification for the project, I find it incredibly sad that these people are so paranoid that they would genuinely think that their propagandized version of the New Testament is somehow more accurate.

Duh, the KJV sounds more old timey, thus it is more accurate.

slop101
10-06-09, 11:35 AM
I love telling my conservative friends that Jesus was a liberal, and seeing them lose their shit.

After all, what's more liberal than Grace?

dork
10-06-09, 11:49 AM
After all, what's more liberal than Grace?
Will?

kvrdave
10-06-09, 12:43 PM
:lol: Took a second.

Dr Mabuse
10-06-09, 01:08 PM
:lol:

Ky-Fi
10-06-09, 01:32 PM
Of course they have a right to do whatever dumb-ass thing they want with the Bible, but I have a right to laugh at their dumb-assery.


Well, I'm not sure how long you're going to have that right, as you're treading mighty close to Obama's definition of hate speech:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eugene-volokh/is-the-obama-administrati_b_307132.html

Ahh, but I jest. Obviously those laws were never intended and will never be used to stop anyone from criticizing Christianity.

Josh-da-man
10-07-09, 03:18 PM
I love telling my conservative friends that Jesus was a liberal, and seeing them lose their shit.

Yeah, that's true, but you have to understand that Christianity has outgrown the teachings of Jesus in these modern times.

Hank Ringworm
10-07-09, 06:23 PM
I love telling my conservative friends that Jesus was a liberal, and seeing them lose their shit.

After all, what's more liberal than Grace?

I love telling Christian liberals (or those seeking to sow cognitive dissonance in the Christian conservative's mind) that Jesus preached a personal philosophy, not a philosophy of the state.

kvrdave
10-07-09, 07:14 PM
Yeah, that's true, but you have to understand that Christianity has outgrown the teachings of Jesus in these modern times.

I must have skipped that Sunday.

wm lopez
10-07-09, 07:24 PM
I love telling my conservative friends that Jesus was a liberal, and seeing them lose their shit.

After all, what's more liberal than Grace?
They should have responed that so is Satan a liberal.
Has your head now stopped spinning!:lol:

slop101
10-07-09, 08:16 PM
What's your definition of "liberal"?

kvrdave
10-07-09, 08:19 PM
you know...liberal. Like a guy who says that the only way to salvation is through him and him alone. A guy who says other beliefs are crap. Good liberal guy like that.

:lol:

wm lopez
10-08-09, 01:08 AM
you know...liberal. Like a guy who says that the only way to salvation is through him and him alone. A guy who says other beliefs are crap. Good liberal guy like that.

Or the one who is for abortion, gay marriage and wants to keep God and prayer out of the public schools. And I don't need to go into the has to have his mark to buy or sell part.:eyebrow:

:lol:

slop101
10-08-09, 04:24 AM
Well, then we'll have to agree to disagree, still...

nemein
10-08-09, 06:26 AM
Yeah, that's true, but you have to understand that Christianity has outgrown the teachings of Jesus in these modern times.

:scratch2:

maxfisher
10-08-09, 09:34 AM
I love telling Christian liberals (or those seeking to sow cognitive dissonance in the Christian conservative's mind) that Jesus preached a personal philosophy, not a philosophy of the state.

I hope you tell Christian conservatives the same. They often appear to be much more conspicuously wrong on that point.

wm lopez
10-08-09, 07:25 PM
I love telling Christian liberals (or those seeking to sow cognitive dissonance in the Christian conservative's mind) that Jesus preached a personal philosophy, not a philosophy of the state.
"GIVE CAESAR WHAT IS CAESAR'S ...."
When Jesus was asked about taxes.

brayzie
10-08-09, 07:29 PM
Arguing with someone because of their interpretation of the Bible and countering it with your own interpretation?

Dr Mabuse
10-08-09, 07:32 PM
Arguing with someone because of their interpretation of the Bible and countering it with your own interpretation?

Well...

There has been a bit of that sort of thing going on for the past... few thousand years you know.

brayzie
10-08-09, 07:51 PM
If you don't think religious interpretations should play a part in politics or law, why would you try to use your own religious interpretation to support politics or laws?

Tommy Ceez
10-08-09, 08:34 PM
Yeah, that's true, but you have to understand that Christianity has outgrown the teachings of Jesus in these modern times.

Which Christianity? Conservapedia christianity? Yes

Megachurch Christanity? Yes

Most others No

Hank Ringworm
10-09-09, 12:29 AM
I hope you tell Christian conservatives the same. They often appear to be much more conspicuously wrong on that point.

Really? The ideal conservative state is an iteration of Jesus' teachings? Either you don't understand conservatism or you don't understand the New Testament.

Edited to add: Or you're confusing the New Testament with the Old. In which case, volumes could not explain why you're both correct and incorrect.

Hank Ringworm
10-09-09, 12:32 AM
"GIVE CAESAR WHAT IS CAESAR'S ...."
When Jesus was asked about taxes.

Of course Jesus was aware of the state. How could he not be? That quotation is pretty much an admission by Jesus that his philosophy is not applicable to a theory of the state. Also, you forgot an "unto."