The Olympics would bring in millions of dollars and create thousands of jobs wouldn't it? Beijing and Atlanta made money on the games. I know Athens didn't do so well but they probably didn't know how to do things then.
It seems pretty unamerican to wish your country to fail like this. Most of the arguments I have been hearing are along the lines I'm glad Obama failed to help America. How dare he think he can help us.
Rockmjd23
10-04-09, 04:45 PM
So some dude posts on a blog that he is happy Chicago didn't get it, then quickly changes it, and now that means Republicans are happy that Chicago lost the Olympics? mmk
I love how the left is claming that the right is turning this into some sort of partisan issue, when on the ride side of that page there's a link that says: "Bush Administration’s Tourist Visa Policy May Have Cost America The 2016 Olympics" rotfl
Nausicaa
10-04-09, 04:47 PM
Yeah, I had the misfortune of listening to the am-radio crowd the day it happened. General consensus was that it was Obama's fault, and this was the biggest failure of his presidency. Lots of complaining that Obama would dare divert his attention from the economy (so, conservatives now want his radical-commie-socialist-nazi-stalinist economic plans?).
Pretty much business-as-usual gross overreaction.
Artman
10-04-09, 05:00 PM
The Olympics would bring in millions of dollars and create thousands of jobs wouldn't it? Beijing and Atlanta made money on the games.
It might bring in millions but I think the point was just how much more it would've cost. And God forbid if something happened... personally I think there would have been little to gain and a lot to potentially lose for America. And really, which would you rather see in hi-def...Rio or Chicago? lol... It did make for an entertaining day of radio I will say...
JasonF
10-04-09, 05:31 PM
So some dude posts on a blog that he is happy Chicago didn't get it, then quickly changes it, and now that means Republicans are happy that Chicago lost the Olympics? mmk
1. The Weekly Standard is not "some dude on a blog."
2. He quickly changed it from a statement that the Weekly Standard's offices errupted into cheers. He can post whatever he wants on the Weekly Standard blog, but either he was telling the truth and the Standard was cheering for America's defeat, or he was lying because he thought his audience would enjoy hearing about them cheering for America's defeat.
3. Baron of Hell could well have posted links to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, or Sean Hannity, all of which are important voices on the right.
4. All of that said, I do agree that these loud voices are not typical of rank and file Republicans. Unfortunately, the rank and file Republicans are content to keep their mouths shut while the ranting lunatics cheer for America's defeat.
For years, I wondered why so many on the right accused Democrats of hating America and wanting it to fail. Now I know. It's because guys like Limbaugh and Hannity and the staff of the Weekly Standard only love America when there's a Republican in the White House. Why wouldn't they assume the left was the same way?
JasonF
10-04-09, 05:36 PM
It might bring in millions but I think the point was just how much more it would've cost.
The Los Angeles, Atlanta, and Salt Lake City Olympics both turned profits, and left lasting and valuable improvements to infrastructure in each of those cities. There's no guarantee it would have been the same for Chicago, of course, but those are three strong data points suggesting it was entirely reasonable to expect Chicago could have turned a profit.
kvrdave
10-04-09, 06:10 PM
Not to worry. Losing the Olympics is good for Obama.
But it's just some blog at some no-name place called Newsweek.
And according the author, the Olympics are always a mess with cost overruns, corruption, infighting, etc., so why would people think the Olympics is a good thing for Chicago. Once they lost the bid, "the liberals" said it was a blessing.....ooops, that's what "the conservatives" said too.
Well.....the conservatives are unamerican and want Obama to fail. :grunt:
Blu Man
10-04-09, 06:12 PM
No, im not happy, but im not sad either. I honestly don't give a shit.
BKenn01
10-04-09, 06:20 PM
1. The Weekly Standard is not "some dude on a blog."
2. He quickly changed it from a statement that the Weekly Standard's offices errupted into cheers. He can post whatever he wants on the Weekly Standard blog, but either he was telling the truth and the Standard was cheering for America's defeat, or he was lying because he thought his audience would enjoy hearing about them cheering for America's defeat.
3. Baron of Hell could well have posted links to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, or Sean Hannity, all of which are important voices on the right.
4. All of that said, I do agree that these loud voices are not typical of rank and file Republicans. Unfortunately, the rank and file Republicans are content to keep their mouths shut while the ranting lunatics cheer for America's defeat.
For years, I wondered why so many on the right accused Democrats of hating America and wanting it to fail. Now I know. It's because guys like Limbaugh and Hannity and the staff of the Weekly Standard only love America when there's a Republican in the White House. Why wouldn't they assume the left was the same way?
Go back to any year of the Bush Administration and the roles were reversed. I didnt hear a lot of condemnation from the other side when all the 911 conspiracies reared their ugly head. It is politics plain and simple.
Suprmallet
10-04-09, 06:30 PM
The Los Angeles, Atlanta, and Salt Lake City Olympics both turned profits
-ohbfrank-
Ky-Fi
10-04-09, 06:44 PM
I'm sure that millions of dollars would have been brought to Chicago, and to individuals who, perchance, may have had some hometown political connections to Obama.
Sorry, I suppose I'm just a bit cynical living so close to the Big Dig.
coli
10-04-09, 06:46 PM
Sadly, the dems would have been happy if Bush were in the same position. This is why I hate the partisans on both sides!
classicman2
10-04-09, 07:41 PM
The Olympics might bring in millions of dollars. How much profit would there have been?
I don't believe it would create thousands of jobs. Maybe a few thousand temporary jobs.
Dr. Mantle
10-04-09, 08:25 PM
I don't believe it would create thousands of jobs. Maybe a few thousand temporary jobs.
To built an Olympic stadium and various other structures would take two or three years at least. I doubt if any of the thousands of people who would have had those jobs would complain about such "temporary" work.
JasonF
10-04-09, 08:28 PM
The Los Angeles, Atlanta, and Salt Lake City Olympics both turned profits.
-ohbfrank-
:lol: I originally mentioned Los Angeles and Salt Lake, then I realized I had forgotten about Atlanta. So I added it to my post but forgot to change the word "both."
JasonF
10-04-09, 08:35 PM
Sadly, the dems would have been happy if Bush were in the same position. This is why I hate the partisans on both sides!
True. I remember all the cheering when New York lost its bid for 2012. Democrats were paryting in the street at the defeat of the Republican George Bush and the then-Republican Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Also, in 2008, when President Bush said this:
I want to thank the members of the 2016 Chicago bid to get the Olympics. Listen, Mr. Mayor, you and your committee have put together a great plan. It's a plan that will make America proud.
They say that the Olympics will come to Chicago if we're fortunate enough to be selected, but really it's coming to America, and I can't think of a better city to represent the United States than Chicago.
This is a well thought out venue. There will be -- the athletes will be taken care of. People who will be coming from around the world will find this good city has got fantastic accommodations, great restaurants. It will be safe.
And so I -- this country supports your bid, strongly. And our hope is that the judges will take a good look at Chicago and select Chicago for the 2016 Olympics.
I remember Democrats couldn't stop crapping all over Chicago and insisting that it would be a terrible choice for an Olympic venue.
People who want to continue to insist that the Democrats are just as bad -- or worse than! -- the Republicans may now proceed to explain why New York 2012 and President Bush's support of Chicago 2016 are nothing like President Obama's support of Chicago 2016. I suggest going with "President Bush didn't personally fly to the IOC meeting to plead for New York or Chicago, so it wasn't really a failure for President Bush" and maybe throw in a few contemptuous references to the Corrupt Chicago Democrat Machine. That ought to do it.
JasonF
10-04-09, 08:41 PM
The Olympics might bring in millions of dollars. How much profit would there have been?
I don't believe it would create thousands of jobs. Maybe a few thousand temporary jobs.
The Salt Lake Olympics brought in $76 million in net profit to state and local government. They also generated $2.1 billion in sales for businesses in and around Salt Lake. They created 35,000 job years.
To built an Olympic stadium and various other structures would take two or three years at least. I doubt if any of the thousands of people who would have had those jobs would complain about such "temporary" work.
You're somewhat prone to exaggeration - aren't you?
dork
10-04-09, 08:46 PM
The Salt Lake Olympics brought in $76 million in net profit to state and local government. They also generated $2.1 billion in sales for businesses in and around Salt Lake. They created 35,000 job years.
Huh, so I bet Chicagoans were pretty strongly for this.
classicman2
10-04-09, 08:50 PM
How much money did the Athens & Beijing Olympics make?
classicman2
10-04-09, 08:54 PM
The only thing of value in Chicago is the Arlington Park Race Course - my favorite track. ;)
Rockmjd23
10-04-09, 08:56 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/30/national/main5352919.shtml
2016 Olympics: Chicagoans Split on Games
A poll released this month by the Chicago Tribune showed residents almost evenly split, with 47 percent in favor of the bid and 45 percent against; that's a drop from the 2-1 support the newspaper found in a February poll.
I bet those 45 percent were cheering for America's defeat. :(
Rockmjd23
10-04-09, 09:05 PM
True. I remember all the cheering when New York lost its bid for 2012. Democrats were paryting in the street at the defeat of the Republican George Bush and the then-Republican Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
Obama:Chicago::Bush:NYC? There's really no equivalent because Bush didn't come from a 'red' city's political machine. Clearly Bloomberg being a then-Republican meant that NYC was a right-wing stronghold!
X
10-04-09, 09:26 PM
Obama:Chicago::Bush:NYC? There's really no equivalent because Bush didn't come from a 'red' city's political machine. Clearly Bloomberg being a then-Republican meant that NYC was a right-wing stronghold!Not to mention that Bush didn't go personally begging to the IOC for the games. If he had, there would have been "overwhelming" [as Carter says] pleasure that he personally failed to persuade them. Just imagine if he had tried to get the games in Crawford, his home town.
Jason
10-04-09, 09:48 PM
Sadly, the dems would have been happy if Bush were in the same position. This is why I hate the partisans on both sides!
They would have blamed his incompetence, but I don't think they would find it amusing, to use the same word Bill Kristol did.
JasonF
10-04-09, 09:50 PM
Huh, so I bet Chicagoans were pretty strongly for this.
I presume you know they were split roughly 50-50. You probably also know that a significant proportion of the opposition was coming from the left, and presumably had different motivations from Messrs. Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity's new-found opposition. Finally, I think you're smart enough to recognize that the aforementioned commentators' glee at the results does not come from a dedication to the best interests of the people of Chicago rather than reflexive opposition to the President.
dick_grayson
10-04-09, 09:51 PM
Not to mention that Bush didn't go personally begging to the IOC for the games. If he had, there would have been "overwhelming" [as Carter says] pleasure that he personally failed to persuade them. Just imagine if he had tried to get the games in Crawford, his home town.
Chicago and Crawford are a tad different......but I know what you mean. Still, I'm not sure what the issue is here. He was doing this instead of something more important? He was asking and got turned down and that means something somehow? Or this is suppose to negate some of the bad shit Bush did by saying that "If he'd done it...." as if to somehow reach-around excuse the.......near constant vacationing, for example?
Further, can he win? Is there anything he can do that isn't going to be bitched over? I'm not asking you, per se, but when one is constantly crying wolf, it makes legitimate arguments impossible. Obama, thanks to the dems, has barely made a dent in getting his ideas through. I imagine that the Dems will lose Congress in 2010 and he'll really not get shit done. But still, it seems mostly to be argument at all cost. No matter what. Win.
I probably shouldn't have rattled on since I expect one random line to get singled out and my whole point (or stream of consciousness) will be for not.
JasonF
10-04-09, 09:55 PM
People who want to continue to insist that the Democrats are just as bad -- or worse than! -- the Republicans may now proceed to explain why New York 2012 and President Bush's support of Chicago 2016 are nothing like President Obama's support of Chicago 2016. I suggest going with "President Bush didn't personally fly to the IOC meeting to plead for New York or Chicago, so it wasn't really a failure for President Bush" and maybe throw in a few contemptuous references to the Corrupt Chicago Democrat Machine. That ought to do it.
Obama:Chicago::Bush:NYC? There's really no equivalent because Bush didn't come from a 'red' city's political machine. Clearly Bloomberg being a then-Republican meant that NYC was a right-wing stronghold!
Contemptuous reference to the Corrupt Chicago Democrat Machine ... check.
Not to mention that Bush didn't go personally begging to the IOC for the games. If he had, there would have been "overwhelming" [as Carter says] pleasure that he personally failed to persuade them. Just imagine if he had tried to get the games in Crawford, his home town.
"President Bush didn't personally fly to the IOC meeting to plead for New York or Chicago, so it wasn't really a failure for President Bush" ... check.
This forum never fails to live down to expectations.
Rockmjd23
10-04-09, 09:56 PM
I don't criticize Obama for anything he did with regards to trying to get the Olympics to Chicago. I was upset when Rio won. The fact that this is becoming a "haha Obama lost the Olympics" and a "Republicans are happy about America's defeat!" back and forth is ridiculous.
Pharoh
10-04-09, 09:56 PM
I presume you know they were split roughly 50-50. You probably also know that a significant proportion of the opposition was coming from the left, and presumably had different motivations from Messrs. Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity's new-found opposition. Finally, I think you're smart enough to recognize that the aforementioned commentators' glee at the results does not come from a dedication to the best interests of the people of Chicago rather than reflexive opposition to the President.
I am fairly confident that that isn't what the esteemed dork meant by his question.
Rockmjd23
10-04-09, 09:57 PM
Contemptuous reference to the Corrupt Chicago Democrat Machine ... check.
Now you're just making things up. I haven't criticized Obama or Chicago in any of my posts.
Pharoh
10-04-09, 09:58 PM
Contemptuous reference to the Corrupt Chicago Democrat Machine ... check.
"President Bush didn't personally fly to the IOC meeting to plead for New York or Chicago, so it wasn't really a failure for President Bush" ... check.
This forum never fails to live down to expectations.
:hscratch:
Yeah, you are really stretching lately. Is not Chicago a Democratic stronghold? It has nothing to do, nor was any reference made, to a corrupt machine.
JasonF
10-04-09, 09:59 PM
Now you're just making things up. I haven't criticized Obama or Chicago in any of my posts.
Perhaps I unfairly read your post, then. What point were you trying to make by pointing out that President Bush isn't a part of a Republican machine in New York City, or that New York City isn't a Republican stronghold?
Rockmjd23
10-04-09, 10:04 PM
Perhaps I unfairly read your post, then. What point were you trying to make by pointing out that President Bush isn't a part of a Republican machine in New York City, or that New York City isn't a Republican stronghold?
The point was that the Bush/NYC example is not comparable to Obama/Chicago, even remotely.
JasonF
10-04-09, 10:20 PM
The point was that the Bush/NYC example is not comparable to Obama/Chicago, even remotely.
Hypothetically, if Boston had submitted a bid instead of Chicago, and President Obama had flown to Coppenhagen but the IOC had awarded the Olympics to Rio, do you think the reaction from Beck and Hannity and Limbaugh (et al.) would have been any different?
Sure, there's always room to point out how what President Bush did is different from what President Obama did, because no two situations are ever 100% identical. But at a certain point, don't you have to say "Close enough" and admit that Democrats and Republicans acted differently in similar circumstances?
Rockmjd23
10-04-09, 10:32 PM
Hypothetically, if Boston had submitted a bid instead of Chicago, and President Obama had flown to Coppenhagen but the IOC had awarded the Olympics to Rio, do you think the reaction from Beck and Hannity and Limbaugh (et al.) would have been any different?
I'm not aware of what the reaction is from Hannity and Limbaugh but if it is negative then I'd say they would have acted similarly.
Sure, there's always room to point out how what President Bush did is different from what President Obama did, because no two situations are ever 100% identical. But at a certain point, don't you have to say "Close enough" and admit that Democrats and Republicans acted differently in similar circumstances?
Do you not see the difference between Obama pimping his left-friendly political home city to the IOC and whatever Bush did for NYC (nothing because the city hates him)? Really?
Again I'm not criticizing anything Obama did to try and get Chicago the bid. I wouldn't have expected anything different from him.
dick_grayson
10-04-09, 10:35 PM
I'm not aware of what the reaction is from Hannity and Limbaugh but if it is negative then I'd say they would have acted similarly.
Do you not see the difference between Obama pimping his left-friendly political home city to the IOC and whatever Bush did for NYC (nothing because the city hates him)? Really?
so it's Obama's fault thay Bush isn't liked in NYC :lol:
Rockmjd23
10-04-09, 10:38 PM
so it's Obama's fault thay Bush isn't liked in NYC :lol:
What the hell are you talking about? Where did I even come close to implying that? -screwy-
X
10-04-09, 11:16 PM
Sure, there's always room to point out how what President Bush did is different from what President Obama did, because no two situations are ever 100% identical. But at a certain point, don't you have to say "Close enough" and admit that Democrats and Republicans acted differently in similar circumstances?Although you so wisely observe that "This forum never fails to live down to expectations.", you fail to recognize that Bush was smart enough not to get himself into the same kind of situation where the aura of his greatness and prestige was on the line without knowing what the result would be ahead of time. I doubt he thought his greatness would be enough to persuade an organization like the IOC that they should just go along with Laura and him. The current president thought differently.
Sean O'Hara
10-04-09, 11:31 PM
The Los Angeles, Atlanta, and Salt Lake City Olympics both turned profits, and left lasting and valuable improvements to infrastructure in each of those cities.
America has the highest GDP on Earth. Why the hell do we need to host the Olympics once per decade when there are so many other countries that need the economic benefits more than we do? The Olympics are supposed to be a great international festival of sportsmanship and cooperation and all that kumbayah crap, not an excuse for America to aggrandize herself yet again.
You and Obama need to stop being such selfish, jingoistic America Firsters.
Ranger
10-04-09, 11:37 PM
America has the highest GDP on Earth. Why the hell do we need to host the Olympics once per decade when there are so many other countries that need the economic benefits more than we do? The Olympics are supposed to be a great international festival of sportsmanship and cooperation and all that kumbayah crap, not an excuse for America to aggrandize herself yet again.
You and Obama need to stop being such selfish, jingoistic America Firsters.:lol: This is South America's first ever Olympics. Be happy for them.
General Zod
10-04-09, 11:46 PM
After standing up in front of the UN and putting America down it was refreshing to see the man that did it knocked down a bit himself. Like I posted in the original thread about in the sports forum I support that he tried to do it but he needs to understand that just because he's willing to roll over and beg for everyone to love us - they aren't necessarily going to. Maybe.. Just maybe.. he learned something here.
JasonF
10-04-09, 11:58 PM
Although you so wisely observe that "This forum never fails to live down to expectations.", you fail to recognize that Bush was smart enough not to get himself into the same kind of situation where the aura of his greatness and prestige was on the line without knowing what the result would be ahead of time. I doubt he thought his greatness would be enough to persuade an organization like the IOC that they should just go along with Laura and him. The current president thought differently.
ZOMG!!!! The IOC rejected our Olympic bid! Obama's got no credibility left! If only he had done something less uncertain, like invading Iraq.
The USOC asked President Obama to go to Coppenhagen. They thought it would make a difference, and since normal people want the Olympics to come to their country, he did it. I have no idea if the USOC asked President Bush to get involved in the 2012 bid. If they didn't, I don't know what President Bush would have done had they done so.
I do know that it's fucking pathetic to pretend that this was all about Obama and his liberal friends in Chicago and that the rest of the country should be telling them to fuck themselves. I was proud when the Olympics were in Los Angeles, I was proud when they were in Salt Lake, and I was proud when they were in Atlanta. I didn't give a shit that California is a Democratic state and Utah and Georgia are Republican states.
If you want to make an argument that the Olympics are not good for the U.S. because you expect it will be a net loss of money, or you think the security problems with having an event of that magnitude are too great, or whatever, then go for it. I understand that and I respect it, even if I disagree. But if all you're doing is crowing about some imaginary scoreboard where the enmies of Obama just scored points, then I think it's fucking pathetic.
Rockmjd23
10-05-09, 12:19 AM
But if all you're doing is crowing about some imaginary scoreboard where the enmies of Obama just scored points, then I think it's fucking pathetic.
So I guess you won't be listening to Rush anymore. :sad:
Tommy Ceez
10-05-09, 12:25 AM
Who gives a fuck?
I rooted HARD against a NYC olympics
1) Nightmare in this city
2) Why do we CONSTANTLY need the Olympics? Shit, its a WORLDWIDE competition
3) Its a huge waste of money
I would never trust those numbers the cities release...they have a strong insentive to inflate the numbers
Rockmjd23
10-05-09, 12:30 AM
^U hate America!!!1!!1! ^
kuroiinu
10-05-09, 12:48 AM
The Prime Minister of Japan went to Copenhagen. So did the King of Spain. Neither country got the Olympics this time, but I don't think the countries or their leaders "lost face" or credibility.
I don't know what the big deal is with the US not winning the Olympics bid despite the Obamas' presence. Some folks are just trying too hard to find issues where there aren't. This is just another made-up "teleprompter issue." I wonder why we haven't discussed that lately?
I am glad that Brazil got it, for the simple reason that it's the first time it's going to be held in South America.
Brack
10-05-09, 01:34 AM
I don't get how the Olympics would lose money in Chicago. Hell, you could have the Olympics there tomorrow, with all the stuff in and around the city, without having to break the bank much.
Cheato
10-05-09, 01:58 AM
The Prime Minister of Japan went to Copenhagen. So did the King of Spain. Neither country got the Olympics this time, but I don't think the countries or their leaders "lost face" or credibility.
Crazy Japanese PM wife. (http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/09/04/new-japanese-prime-ministers-wife-is-all-sorts-of-crazy/)
So that link is to a site that I've never seen before; please don't go all crazy on me for whatever political/social connections it has. I only found it as the first hit on Google for "Prime minister japan wife crazy." Most of the news stories about her are in Japanese, obviously.
Here's one of her quotes (translated into English, and found on that site):
“I eat the sun,” Miyuki says, raising her arms as if to tear pieces off an imaginary sun. “Like this: yum, yum, yum. It gives me enormous energy. My husband has recently started doing that too.”
Maybe the Olympic Committee was afraid it wouldn't be sunny enough in Japan.
I also want to say I agree with JasonF's comments above. (Now don't go editing them to include things I don't agree with...)
kvrdave
10-05-09, 02:01 AM
No matter how you slice it, you do have to love the headline, "Obama + Michelle x Oprah = 0"
rotfl
I do think it is overall a silly thing. I am glad South America will get to have it. I can't imagine having it in my city (if I lived in a city). Sounds like a lot of pain in the ass. I can't imagine how they can find people to pay the prices they ask. I was going to go to Curling in Vancouver at the Winter Olympics. Best I could do was the Bronze match, and I had to buy a package that included 2 "b" events of their choice, and it was $1,500 per ticket. Imagine if it had been hockey or figure skating or other crap people actually watch. Shit, I'd rather go to a superbowl. Not to mention a Motel 6 would cost $500 per night, most likely.
Ranger
10-05-09, 02:11 AM
JasonF and others:
NY Times' Paul Krugman talks about this here (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/opinion/05krugman.html?ref=opinion). I don't agree with everything he writes, but I think he's right that the people cheering this loss and calling it a great failure of Obama are acting childish.
Baron Of Hell
10-05-09, 07:36 AM
I just heard democracy now podcast for last friday and they had this guy that argued against the olympics. It was surprising because he came down hard on Obama and democracy now is left leaning show.
classicman2
10-05-09, 08:13 AM
Obama has overestimated his abilities of persuassion - and not just about the subject we're talking about but, more importantly, in certain legislative matters.
It might be a good thing that he's been 'brought back to earth' by these, shall we say, setbacks.
VinVega
10-05-09, 08:46 AM
I don't get where you guys somehow think that Obama thought it was a "lock" if he just showed up that the US would get the 2016 Olympics. :hscratch:
He felt his presence might help, obviously it wasn't enough. I don't get all the hand wringing over this.
Venusian
10-05-09, 08:53 AM
I didn't give a shit that California is a Democratic state and Utah and Georgia are Republican states.
just a note: We were a pretty Deocratic state when we had the olympics.
Venusian
10-05-09, 09:00 AM
He felt his presence might help, obviously it wasn't enough. I don't get all the hand wringing over this.
me neither.
But it is typical partisan politics. The fanboys on one side hate Obama and everything that they associate with him and want to see him fail. The fanboys on the other side are in this case correctly pointing out the hypocrisy on the first side in people putting party over country
classicman2
10-05-09, 09:03 AM
I don't get where you guys somehow think that Obama thought it was a "lock" if he just showed up that the US would get the 2016 Olympics. :hscratch:
He felt his presence might help, obviously it wasn't enough. I don't get all the hand wringing over this.
He overestimated his 'abilities.'
It's understandable. Remember a few months ago when we had a thread about him being the messiah. It was not to be taken seriously, but many people did think he was knd of a wonder worker. It's just human nature that some of that went to his head.
As I say - he's being bought back to earth - rudely in some cases. ;)
Just as Jimmy Carter was brought back to earth. One can only hope it doesn't take Obama as long as it did Carter.
JasonF
10-05-09, 09:20 AM
just a note: We were a pretty Deocratic state when we had the olympics.
You guys went for Dole, didn't you? ;)
See how much I didn't care whether Georgia was a Democratic or Republican state? I just assumed it was a Republican state because it was in the South and still cheered for it!
Venusian
10-05-09, 09:36 AM
You guys went for Dole, didn't you? ;)
See how much I didn't care whether Georgia was a Democratic or Republican state? I just assumed it was a Republican state because it was in the South and still cheered for it!
That was after the Olympics. The D's still had a pretty strong hold on state politics at that time
Tracer Bullet
10-05-09, 09:51 AM
Who the fuck cares about the Olympics? Shut it down (except for men's swimming and diving)
Venusian
10-05-09, 09:53 AM
Who the fuck cares about the Olympics? Shut it down (except for men's swimming and diving)
:lol:
What about water polo?
Tracer Bullet
10-05-09, 09:56 AM
What about water polo?
No, that shit is stupid.
classicman2
10-05-09, 10:12 AM
Who the fuck cares about the Olympics? Shut it down (except for men's swimming and diving)
How about Women's Field Hockey?
Tracer Bullet
10-05-09, 10:16 AM
How about Women's Field Hockey?
That's disgusting. Why are straight people always so obsessed with sex?
JasonF
10-05-09, 10:20 AM
rotfl
Nausicaa
10-05-09, 11:02 AM
I don't get how the Olympics would lose money in Chicago. Hell, you could have the Olympics there tomorrow, with all the stuff in and around the city, without having to break the bank much.
I think the CTA was one of the big concerns. It's out of date and it doesn't have the capacity or routes right now. Hell, the red line gets overwhelmed whenever there's just a Cubs game. The system has been underfunded for years.
There's no question it would have been a huge boon to local businesses, however.
Nazgul
10-05-09, 11:15 AM
I don't get where you guys somehow think that Obama thought it was a "lock" if he just showed up that the US would get the 2016 Olympics. :hscratch:
The media portrayed Chicago was the 'favorite' (due to Obama) and the loss was a huge upset.
Chew
10-05-09, 11:18 AM
That's disgusting. Why are straight people always so obsessed with sex?
rotfl
kvrdave
10-05-09, 11:34 AM
I don't get where you guys somehow think that Obama thought it was a "lock" if he just showed up that the US would get the 2016 Olympics. :hscratch:
He felt his presence might help, obviously it wasn't enough. I don't get all the hand wringing over this.
It's racism....plain and simple.
Sean O'Hara
10-05-09, 11:47 AM
I don't get where you guys somehow think that Obama thought it was a "lock" if he just showed up that the US would get the 2016 Olympics. :hscratch:
First rule of politics: Don't make grand gestures if the outcome isn't a lock.
wmansir
10-05-09, 11:56 AM
This story is all just partisan spin and counter spin, but my favorite counter-spin is that "Even Obama wasn't enough to overcome the international damage of the Bush years."
Personally, I thought the pick was a no brainier. For national economic self interest I was pulling for Chitown, but I didn't give it much of a shot because even with Rio's infrastructure and crime issues it seemed like the obvious choice.
RoyalTea
10-05-09, 12:07 PM
What facilities does Chicago need?
They just "upgraded" Soldier Field. The Cubs and White Sox aren't playing in any new stadia any time soon (and I doubt that Comiskey or Wrigley would be used for anything). The United Center isn't that outdated.
And if they Olympics would mean infrastructure improvements, then improve the infrastructure. You can do that without hosting a worldwide athletics competition.
And I can't speak for everybody, but unlike the Winter Olympics, I'd never pick a Summer Olympics destination as a vacation spot after the games ended that I wouldn't have travelled to anyway, with or without the games.
classicman2
10-05-09, 12:09 PM
I can't understand why Gotebo, OK, was considered.
X
10-05-09, 12:13 PM
What facilities does Chicago need?An Olympic village? There were plenty of slumlords hoping their property would be bought for that and other purposes. One, a FOB, was a primary motivator in the Obamas getting so personally involved.
VinVega
10-05-09, 12:31 PM
The media portrayed Chicago was the 'favorite' (due to Obama) and the loss was a huge upset.
I'm glad I don't watch the 24-7 news networks much anymore. I guess I'm out of the loop now.
Cheato
10-05-09, 01:09 PM
So "out of the loop" means "sane" now? You kids these days and your slang.
Nazgul
10-05-09, 01:32 PM
I'm glad I don't watch the 24-7 news networks much anymore. I guess I'm out of the loop now.
No, this was 'print' media. Not Fox News. :)
DeputyDave
10-05-09, 04:50 PM
I'm not going to lie and say I do not enjoy seeing Obama fall flat on his face. Anything that makes him look bad and increses the chances he will not be able to push through his agenda is pretty OK in my book.
JasonF
10-05-09, 05:21 PM
I'm not going to lie and say I do not enjoy seeing Obama fall flat on his face. Anything that makes him look bad and increses the chances he will not be able to push through his agenda is pretty OK in my book.
So you would be happy if al Qaeda killed another 3,000 Americans? That would, after all, make the President look bad.
;)
DeputyDave
10-05-09, 05:27 PM
So you would be happy if al Qaeda killed another 3,000 Americans? That would, after all, make the President look bad.
;)
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Well done, you have caught me in your web of irrefutable logic.
Seriously, I’m just trying to be a bit honest here since not too many conservatives are willing to step up. You gotta at least give me a bonus cookie for sacking up.
JasonF
10-05-09, 05:28 PM
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Well done, you have caught me in your web of irrefutable logic.
Seriously, I’m just trying to be a bit honest here since not too many conservatives are willing to step up. You gotta at least give me a bonus cookie for sacking up.
Then what are you doing hanging around with the Republicans?
:rimshot:
dan30oly
10-05-09, 05:49 PM
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Well done, you have caught me in your web of irrefutable logic.
Seriously, I’m just trying to be a bit honest here since not too many conservatives are willing to step up. You gotta at least give me a bonus cookie for sacking up.
I'll step up.
Obama Epic Fail = Good for America.
Mabuse
10-05-09, 05:57 PM
First and foremost let me go on record as saying that Chicago would have been a shitty place for an Olympics. I love Chicago and have traveled there many times; nothing about that city screams "athleticism" or even "the outdoors".
Second, when it was announced that Obama would be traveling to Europe to make the case for America the press reported on it as if it were now a virtual lock, most people did too. I'm the furthest thing from being a fan of Obama and even I assumed that the Europeans would naturally suckle at his nuts and hand the Olympics to Chicago. When that failed to happen, and not only that but America came in last out of four, it was surprising.
Third, what underlies all of this is the simmering idea that Obama is not a "closer". He's full of ideas and initiatives and speeches, but when it's game-on and he needs to push something through he cannot be counted on to seal the deal domestically or internationally.
Maybe if he'd gifted the IOC a DVD box set they would have been more impressed.
DeputyDave
10-05-09, 05:57 PM
I'll step up.
Obama Epic Fail = Good for America.
You can have the nuts out of my cookie.
classicman2
10-05-09, 05:58 PM
I believe most of us feel that if he fails in a couple of things that might be good for America.
Groucho
10-05-09, 06:01 PM
Come on Republicans, surely you could get behind such events as the "Purse Snatching 100 Yard Dash" and the "Dead Voter Skeet Shoot"?
crazyronin
10-05-09, 06:09 PM
Come on Republicans, surely you could get behind such events as the "Purse Snatching 100 Yard Dash" and the "Dead Voter Skeet Shoot"?
How about the "Stuffed ballot box toss?" I love that event.
If the massive bread and circuses that is the Olympics were to disappear tomorrow, I would not shed a tear.
General Zod
10-05-09, 06:27 PM
Come on Republicans, surely you could get behind such events as the "Purse Snatching 100 Yard Dash" and the "Dead Voter Skeet Shoot"?
I prefer the illegal immigrant border toss event.
Rockmjd23
10-05-09, 06:32 PM
What about Team Waterboarding?
mosquitobite
10-05-09, 08:39 PM
Come on Republicans, surely you could get behind such events as the "Purse Snatching 100 Yard Dash" and the "Dead Voter Skeet Shoot"?
:( I guess I should be happy they're dead?
dick_grayson
10-06-09, 12:25 PM
Chicago Nope
Rio de Janeiro claims the 2016 Olympics because of its compelling presentation and its new Double Dome Stadium.
"...Conservatives hate Obama more than they love America."
Tracer Bullet
10-06-09, 12:30 PM
I think the more pertinent question is: when would Chicago have hosted the summer Olympics? The Arctic isn't a great place for track and field or swimming.
The Bus
10-06-09, 01:30 PM
Bush was smart enough not to get himself into the same kind of situation where the aura of his greatness and prestige was on the line
This is one of the funniest posts I've ever read in this forum. :lol:
JasonF
10-06-09, 01:35 PM
I think the more pertinent question is: when would Chicago have hosted the summer Olympics? The Arctic isn't a great place for track and field or swimming.
Not everyplace can be the tropical paradise that is the Bronx. Chicago has very nice summers, thank you very much.
Tommy Ceez
10-06-09, 01:38 PM
He lives in Queens
I'm in the Bronx
Tracer Bullet
10-06-09, 01:54 PM
Not everyplace can be the tropical paradise that is the Bronx. Chicago has very nice summers, thank you very much.
Ew. I don't live in the fucking Bronx.
JasonF
10-06-09, 02:05 PM
He lives in Queens
I'm in the Bronx
Yes, but the Bronx is funnier than Queens. I almost went with Statten Island, but it just seemed cruel to remind you that yes, it is a burrough.
But I do love the Bronx. Although I've spent very little time there, it's where my roots lie -- they've since dispersed or passed away, but my entire family lived there from the 30s through the 70s.
X
10-06-09, 02:15 PM
I almost went with Statten Island, but it just seemed cruel to remind you that yes, it is a burrough.http://forum.dvdtalk.com/images/buttons/edit.gif
Tommy Ceez
10-06-09, 02:45 PM
But I do love the Bronx. Although I've spent very little time there, it's where my roots lie -- they've since dispersed or passed away, but my entire family lived there from the 30s through the 70s.
where?
Tracer Bullet
10-06-09, 03:04 PM
Yes, but the Bronx is funnier than Queens. I almost went with Statten Island, but it just seemed cruel to remind you that yes, it is a burrough.
Apparently the cold also affects Chicagoans spelling abilities. ;)
Tracer Bullet
10-06-09, 03:05 PM
where?
Riverdale, I'm guessing.
JasonF
10-06-09, 03:29 PM
where?
South Bronx, mostly. It was almost all before my time, so all I have is what I've picked up from older relatives over the years. I do know that my maternal grandparents lived in Co-Op City for a while, and my Dad grew up on Boynton Avenue, which is by the Sherridan Expressway.
Riverdale, I'm guessing.
My family is nowhere near that fancy.
JasonF
10-06-09, 03:31 PM
Apparently the cold also affects Chicagoans spelling abilities. ;)
Says the guy who had to edit his post. Burrough, borough -- what's the difference. And don't get me started on the number of "t"s in Staten Island.
The Bus
10-06-09, 07:24 PM
Chicago Nope
Rio de Janeiro claims the 2016 Olympics because of its compelling presentation and its new Double Dome Stadium.
"...Conservatives hate Obama more than they love America."
"Thelebration of thport" rotfl
Jason
10-06-09, 08:28 PM
In another EPIC FAIL for the increasingly irrelevant Obama administration, the chosen one placed third(!) in the highly influential and oh, so important Askmen.com's poll of the 49 most influential men of 2009.
It's shameful enough that he lost out to a meer athlete, but both Obama and Usain Bolt lost out to fictional character Don Draper.
I expect his resignation by the weekend.
BKenn01
10-06-09, 08:40 PM
In another EPIC FAIL for the increasingly irrelevant Obama administration, the chosen one placed third(!) in the highly influential and oh, so important Askmen.com's poll of the 49 most influential men of 2009.
It's shameful enough that he lost out to a meer athlete, but both Obama and Usain Bolt lost out to fictional character Don Draper.
I expect his resignation by the weekend.
That would work for me.....
DeputyDave
10-06-09, 08:52 PM
That would work for me.....
Two words: President Biden
Wash your mouth out. May Obama serve his one term and then drift off into obscurity.
sracer
10-06-09, 11:15 PM
Two words: President Biden
Wash your mouth out. May Obama serve his one term and then drift off into obscurity.
President Biden? So what. Do you think that he is magically going to be more capable of implementing any agenda he has than Obama? Really?
Mabuse
10-07-09, 02:25 PM
I prefer the illegal immigrant border toss event.
What about Team Waterboarding? Neither of these things happen in Chicago, but nice attempt at following the joke.
General Zod
10-07-09, 02:33 PM
Neither of these things happen in Chicago, but nice attempt at following the joke.
Why not? You just need a bigger catapult and you've got the lake Michigan right there. What a slacker state.
crazyronin
10-07-09, 02:38 PM
I'm sick and tired of Liberals and their hatred of brown people. I hereby call on them to renounce their jingoistic, nativistic, and xenophobic ways and celebrate the fact that South America gets to have their first Olympics.
dick_grayson
10-07-09, 03:16 PM
I'm sick and tired of Liberals and their hatred of brown people. I hereby call on them to renounce their jingoistic, nativistic, and xenophobic ways and celebrate the fact that South America gets to have their first Olympics.
where else in South America would be Olympic worthy? Santiago, perhaps?
Still, I heard on PTI or something about how the IOC (which isn't known for being trustworthy) was pissed at the US about the Salt Lake City bid scandal.
I think this is just another example of [some....many, even] Republicans putting party before country. The knee-jerk crying wolf is just as bad as the Dems failing to call the Repubs on their bullshit (when appropriate).
But for people that wish Obama would drift into obscurity.....I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) wishing the first black president of the US factor to drift into obscurity as well. I don't expect anyone to come close to admitting that, of course.....
brayzie
10-07-09, 03:17 PM
I find this thread very funny. When Repuplicans were in power they were always accusing anti-Bush liberals as un-American. They pointed to the small liberal fringe that believed in conspiracies as representing liberals in general or Democrats.
Now the Democrats control congress and we even have a Democrat president and now the liberals are doing the same. Some talk show host says something and then, "Oh, can you believe they said THAT! OMG, that's un-American!"
I'm sure someone will chime in and say, "but it's different this time..."
I'm happy that Rio De Janeiro got it. First time for Brazil right?
Brack
10-07-09, 03:23 PM
I find this thread very funny. When Repuplicans were in power they were always accusing anti-Bush liberals as un-American. They pointed to the small liberal fringe that believed in conspiracies as representing liberals in general or Democrats.
Now the Democrats control congress and we even have a Democrat president and now the liberals are doing the same. Some talk show host says something and then, "Oh, can you believe they said THAT! OMG, that's un-American!"
I'm sure someone will chime in and say, "but it's different this time..."
I'm happy that Rio De Janeiro got it. First time for Brazil right?
I think you're forgetting that if it had been Bush or any other Republican trying to get the Olympics, the right wouldn't have attacked, and those who did would be considered in their eyes unAmerican. (Bush did want the Olympics, btw. where was the negativity then?)
Nausicaa
10-07-09, 03:35 PM
It seems clear to me, that had Obama not gone to Copenhagen, Chicago still would have lost the bid. In this scenario, conservatives would be blasting Obama saying why, when all the other heads-of-state from the finalist countries attended the IOC conference, Obama chose not to. More evidence that he lacks pride in his country!
brayzie
10-07-09, 03:37 PM
@Brack
How am I forgetting it when I just said, pretty much, that both sides take part in these antics when they get in power?
DeputyDave
10-07-09, 03:42 PM
But for people that wish Obama would drift into obscurity.....I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) wishing the first black president of the US factor to drift into obscurity as well. I don't expect anyone to come close to admitting that, of course.....
And there it is folks! Good job.
General Zod
10-07-09, 03:49 PM
But for people that wish Obama would drift into obscurity.....I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) wishing the first black president of the US factor to drift into obscurity as well. I don't expect anyone to come close to admitting that, of course.....
This is a good point. Therefore I think Obama should be allowed to do anything, say anything, and get away with anything simply because he is black and we certainly don't want to be seen as someone who wants to get rid of the first black president. So.. Free pass for him on everything. Yeah.. that's a very logical and reasonable way to look at things. :up:
You do realize Democrats hated Bush and his policies because he was white, right? Just apply the same logic and it will make perfect sense to you.
dick_grayson
10-07-09, 04:23 PM
This is a good point. Therefore I think Obama should be allowed to do anything, say anything, and get away with anything simply because he is black and we certainly don't want to be seen as someone who wants to get rid of the first black president. So.. Free pass for him on everything. Yeah.. that's a very logical and reasonable way to look at things. :up:
You do realize Democrats hated Bush and his policies because he was white, right? Just apply the same logic and it will make perfect sense to you.
yes, let's discuss logic since you and others here don't seem to apply it correctly. the fallacy of false dilemma would be a good place to start or affirming the consequent. or red herring....or slippery slope
brayzie
10-07-09, 04:37 PM
But for people that wish Obama would drift into obscurity.....I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) wishing the first black president of the US factor to drift into obscurity as well. I don't expect anyone to come close to admitting that, of course.....
Well first, you're feeling only applies to people that wish he would "drift into obscurity."
But why do these people want that to happen? Because he's black or because they want him and his proposals that they think are detrimental, to go away?
I guess you could apply similar thoughts to just about any topic, although I don't see the point since we're talking about very marginalized groups.
"For people that want Obama's Healthcare plan to pass...I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) secretly wanting the US to do away with capitalism and become a socialist country."
"For the anti-Bush people...I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) paranoid conspiracy delusions.
foggy
10-07-09, 04:44 PM
yes, let's discuss logic since you and others here don't seem to apply it correctly. the fallacy of false dilemma would be a good place to start or affirming the consequent. or red herring....or slippery slope
If you want to discuss logical fallacies why not the straw man? That's the one that you seem to favor yourself.
dick_grayson
10-07-09, 05:01 PM
Well first, you're feeling only applies to people that wish he would "drift into obscurity."
correct
But why do these people want that to happen? Because he's black or because they want him and his proposals that they think are detrimental, to go away?
Depends on the person. Are those the only two options? Could it be both? Could it be other reasons not listed?
I guess you could apply similar thoughts to just about any topic, although I don't see the point since we're talking about very marginalized groups.
"For people that want Obama's Healthcare plan to pass...I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) secretly wanting the US to do away with capitalism and become a socialist country."
"For the anti-Bush people...I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) paranoid conspiracy delusions.
correct, although I disagree with your assessment that both groups are "very marginalized." My response was not based solely on this specific topic (the olympic thing), if that helps.
General Zod
10-07-09, 05:37 PM
yes, let's discuss logic since you and others here don't seem to apply it correctly. the fallacy of false dilemma would be a good place to start or affirming the consequent. or red herring....or slippery slope
The whole "racism" angle with Obama is a red herring to begin with.
Mabuse
10-07-09, 05:52 PM
It seems clear to me, that had Obama not gone to Copenhagen, Chicago still would have lost the bid. In this scenario, conservatives would be blasting Obama saying why, when all the other heads-of-state from the finalist countries attended the IOC conference, Obama chose not to. More evidence that he lacks pride in his country! If he had not gone to Copenhagen I would have aplauded him. The IOC is corrupt, the Olympics selection process is always mired in coruption, and going before the IOC is frankly beneath the President of the USA. I don't think much of these other hopeful nations' leaders for doing it either.
Obama is a double looser in my eyes: He cow-towed to the corrupt IOC, AND he failed at it.
brayzie
10-07-09, 06:21 PM
Depends on the person. Are those the only two options? Could it be both? Could it be other reasons not listed?
If you want add more options: because he's a Democrat, because they think he's a secret muslim, because he's continuing many of Bush's policies, because he wants to hold suspects indefinitley without trial, because they think he's not born here, because his policy proposals might hurt the economy...etc and whatever else.
I really doubt it's of any substantial signifcance that he's black when it comes to conservatives. If it had been Hillary I'm sure that the right would be painted by liberal partisans as misogynists. And if it had been a white Democrat, then they would just be painted as just un-American and anti-Christian (Michael Moore?).
And I really doubt that the same conservatives protesting Obama, would also be protesting a black Republican president, just because he was black.
But that's just my opinion.
I do agree with your statement that SOME probably are motiviated by racist thinking. I just don't think it's helpful to dicussions to keep bringing it up when no one else is making race an issue.
I mean, any Obama policy that people disagree and try to discuss is it always gonna be mentioned?
Ex: "I think Obama's new proposal would hurt local businesses."
Well SOME people just disagree with him just because he's black. YOU don't seem to be racist but it needs to be brought up anyways.
DeputyDave
10-07-09, 07:52 PM
As the one who was specificly being called a racist I would like to point out that Obama is actually more white than I am. It has no bearing on my opinion but liberals tend to make a big issue of race.
dick_grayson
10-07-09, 08:21 PM
who did so, "specifically?"
either way, I don't see what your (or my) skin color has to do with anything. I do find it amusing that right after you mention your being less white than Obama, you then say liberals tend to make a big issue out of race......
brayzie
10-07-09, 08:30 PM
I had forgotten the initial post that prompted Dick Grayson's response. I thought he was just speaking about a general sentiment he heard somewhere.
I think that's a very good example then of wrongly making race a factor.
Instead of assuming DeputyDaves remark is in regards to the President's policies, instead it's assumed it's because of him being half-black.
Surely a conservative would support a white, liberal, Democratic President who wants to create a national social program that grants everyone healthcare, all at the expense of the taxpayers. But only because he's black are they against such policies.
brayzie
10-07-09, 08:32 PM
Two words: President Biden
Wash your mouth out. May Obama serve his one term and then drift off into obscurity.
But for people that wish Obama would drift into obscurity.....I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) wishing the first black president of the US factor to drift into obscurity as well. I don't expect anyone to come close to admitting that, of course.....
I think that's pretty specific.
DeputyDave
10-08-09, 12:34 AM
who did so, "specifically?"
either way, I don't see what your (or my) skin color has to do with anything. I do find it amusing that right after you mention your being less white than Obama, you then say liberals tend to make a big issue out of race......
Ummm, well…
May Obama serve his one term and then drift off into obscurity.
And then you immediately said…
But for people that wish Obama would drift into obscurity.....I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) wishing the first black president of the US factor to drift into obscurity as well. I don't expect anyone to come close to admitting that, of course.....
So, unless you can show someone else specifically saying Obama should “drift off into obscurity”, you must have been talking about me.
I was merely pointing out that Obama is more white than I, because for a liberal it is impossible for a non-white to be a racist.
EDIT: Of course I just now saw brazie's post. Ooops.
dick_grayson
10-08-09, 12:21 PM
I think that's pretty specific.
no. the post said dude was specifically called a "racist" and that's not what I said. you quoted the post yourself.
dick_grayson
10-08-09, 12:32 PM
I had forgotten the initial post that prompted Dick Grayson's response. I thought he was just speaking about a general sentiment he heard somewhere.
I think that's a very good example then of wrongly making race a factor.
Instead of assuming DeputyDaves remark is in regards to the President's policies, instead it's assumed it's because of him being half-black.
how do you know that for certain? I should have said "some" people who....but that doesn't change anything. And again, can't there SOME people that feel both ways about Obama? How do you know I didn't assume that?
Surely a conservative would support a white, liberal, Democratic President who wants to create a national social program that grants everyone healthcare, all at the expense of the taxpayers. But only because he's black are they against such policies.
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. You're using absolutes to try to dumb down and conflate my point. I'm not going to bother with this any more since I don't see this going anywhere anyway.....
Yeti4623
10-08-09, 01:23 PM
If the economy is good in 2012, then it's going to be hard for Obama not to be a two-termer. He's too likable and charismatic.
brayzie
10-08-09, 02:16 PM
no. the post said dude was specifically called a "racist" and that's not what I said. you quoted the post yourself.
Come on. What else could your post mean? You said you think it's because he wants Obama to drift into obscurity because he's the first BLACK president.
Yeah, you didn't say the word "racist" but you didn't have to. You can still accuse people of racism without using either word.
Ex:
"You hate black people."
I'm not a racist.
"I never said you were."
brayzie
10-08-09, 02:31 PM
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. You're using absolutes to try to dumb down and conflate my point. I'm not going to bother with this any more since I don't see this going anywhere anyway.....
Sorry, I was using sarcasm to get my point across. I guess you didn't get it.
What I'm saying is that conservatives are against his policies because he's a liberal, democrat, not becuase he's black. Do you think if he was white that he would get more support for Universal Healthcare by the right?
About this:
how do you know that for certain? I should have said "some" people who....but that doesn't change anything. And again, can't there SOME people that feel both ways about Obama? How do you know I didn't assume that?
It's obvious to anyone who can read that you were implying the poster was racist. If you want to constantly split hairs about it all, I agree, this discussion won't be going anywhere.
Cheato
10-08-09, 03:01 PM
Damn, brayzie, from out of nowhere, schoolin' a veteran. "Cool New Member," indeed.
dick_grayson
10-08-09, 03:33 PM
Sorry, I was using sarcasm to get my point across. I guess you didn't get it.
It's obvious to anyone who can read that you were implying the poster was racist. If you want to constantly split hairs about it all, I agree, this discussion won't be going anywhere.
specify and imply are not the same thing.
and while I picked up on the sarcasm, it doesn't mean it makes any sense
you continue to speak in absolutes. ALL or nothing. one way or the other. that is what should be obvious to anyone who can read (and comprehend)
brayzie
10-08-09, 07:09 PM
@Cheato
thanks.
@dick_grayson
you continue to speak in absolutes. ALL or nothing. one way or the other.
I do agree with your statement that SOME probably are motiviated by racist thinking.
^Speaking in absolutes???
And by SOME I mean people in general, not anyone here, at this forum, in this thread. Just to be extremely clear.
Jason
10-08-09, 07:19 PM
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. You're using absolutes to try to dumb down and conflate my point. I'm not going to bother with this any more since I don't see this going anywhere anyway.....
He's trying to say that all those protesters with pictures of President Obama dressed as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose are actually only upset with his policies and would never, ever, harbor a racist thought.
Tommy Ceez
10-08-09, 07:35 PM
If the economy is good in 2012, then it's going to be hard for Obama not to be a two-termer. He's too likable and charismatic.
I dont know
If he continues to accomplish absolutely nothing he will have a problem reguardless
brayzie
10-08-09, 07:43 PM
Two words: President Biden
Wash your mouth out. May Obama serve his one term and then drift off into obscurity.
But for people that wish Obama would drift into obscurity.....I have a feeling that it involves (to an extent) wishing the first black president of the US factor to drift into obscurity as well. I don't expect anyone to come close to admitting that, of course.....
He's trying to say that all those protesters with pictures of President Obama dressed as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose are actually only upset with his policies and would never, ever, harbor a racist thought.
I haven't read anything racist from DeputyDave in this thread so I don't see how some racist protestor would have any bearing on his viewpoints.
DeputyDave
10-08-09, 10:02 PM
I, for one, welcome our "Cool New Member" and hope he stays around for a while.
jfoobar
10-08-09, 10:25 PM
I, for one, welcome our "Cool New Member" and hope he stays around for a while.
You only say that because you've assumed that he/she is white.
Rockmjd23
10-08-09, 10:27 PM
I, for one, welcome our "Cool New Member" and hope he stays around for a while.
He? Could be a she you sexist Republican.
orangecrush
10-08-09, 10:55 PM
I dont know
If he continues to accomplish absolutely nothing he will have a problem reguardlessI am pretty sure you wouldn't have a problem with him if he had accomplished nothing at all (I know I wouldn't).
Hmmm... I thought about that but considering it is a DVD forum on the internet the odds are about 50 to 1 that it is a "He" (and that he is still a virgin).
RoyalTea
10-09-09, 05:38 PM
I wonder if Chicago would have won if their logo didn't resemble the Star of David:
Buy: