Poster Art:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/scott1598/Movie%20Posters/variantversion.jpg
*credit to Lt Ripley for this gem of a poster
Jack Straw
08-19-09, 04:16 PM
Can't wait for this to hit the screens. I will probably see it this weekend, crowds be damned. I've been on a WWII kick with Band of Brothers, so this movie s/b very satisfying.
chris_sc77
08-19-09, 04:46 PM
I have abstained from watching any clips or any spoilers and I am so freakin excited. This move is gonna be like heaven to me.
Took a vacation day from work for this movie. going bright and early to Columbus on Friday morning.
outcastja
08-19-09, 08:27 PM
Just found out Quentin Tarantino will be at Arclight midnight showing. Good thing I got my tickets just in time.
GizmoDVD
08-19-09, 08:37 PM
I'll give this one a rental. Curious about the reviews though.
lamphorn
08-19-09, 08:59 PM
Just found out Quentin Tarantino will be at Arclight midnight showing. Good thing I got my tickets just in time.
I will be there, too!
Rypro 525
08-20-09, 12:22 AM
i'll prob hit a midnight screening of this (surprising that there are only 3 theaters in the state that are doing midnight screenings). I'm also surprised that this is only playing on one screen at the big theater by me, given its run time, and whos involved in the movie.
I can't wait to see this tomorrow. I took off some work for some vacation solely for this film. I'm also going to drive 4 hours to my hometown to watch it w/ my friends. I can't wait to discuss about it afterwards with a round of drinks.
spainlinx0
08-20-09, 11:08 AM
I'm so excited for this. I love everything he has done.
Grubert
08-20-09, 02:30 PM
James Berardinelli's 4-star review:
http://www.reelviews.net/php_review_template.php?identifier=1774
I have found over the years that If James B and Roger Ebert both love a movie, it's pretty much guaranteed it'll be good.
Rypro 525
08-20-09, 02:33 PM
granted, aren't both of those 2 (and Peter Travers) all Tarantino fanboys who seem to give everything he does 4 stars
RichC2
08-20-09, 02:38 PM
Ebert didn't like Reservoir Dogs (initially at least) or Death Proof.
James Berardinelli gave Kill Bill vol 1 a 2.5 out of 4, Vol 2 got a 3 out of 4, and Jackie Brown got a 3 out of 4 as well.
Goldberg74
08-20-09, 02:45 PM
granted, aren't both of those 2 (and Peter Travers) all Tarantino fanboys who seem to give everything he does 4 stars
Ebert hasn't liked all of Tarantino's films. ;)
Inglourious Basterds - ****
Grindhouse/Death Proof - **˝
Sin City - ****
Kill Bill Vol. 2 - ****
Kill Bill Vol. 1 - ****
Jackie Brown - ****
Four Rooms - **
Pulp Fiction - ****
Resevior Dog - **˝
The Bus
08-20-09, 03:32 PM
Is Regal not doing midnight shows?
Patrick_N
08-20-09, 04:23 PM
Just back from a screening in Zurich, Switzerland.
Love Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill, really like Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown. Grindhouse, not so much so.
The thing that went through my mind leaving the theater: there's been talk about him making this movie for 10 years or more, I would have thought the story could have been a lot more tight.
Bloody nazis are not going to leave their top of the line nut jobs in a cinema with two lone guards at the door of Hitllers balcony. mel brooks did a better job on that in his remake of 'to be or not to be'. there just didn't seem to be any danger in the kino scene, other than from the incredibly well played col. hans landa.
Christoph Waltz steals every scene he is in.
Brad Pitt, great in Snatch and Fight Club, is not much more than a mustach and a thick accent here, one of which is good for some good chuckles.
Took me some time to figure out that Eli Roth is not a relative of Tim Roth but the guy that wrote and directed 'Hostel'. Yeah, but he IS good with a baseball bat.
With my two favorite critics both giving full 4 stars I will watch this one again at the cinemas. Picking the 5pm screening on a Thursday might not have been a great idee. The granny in the seat next to me seemed really disturbed by some scenes. Which made me feel bad for her.
3.5 out of 5, or 3 out of 4. The movie could easily lose a good 15 minutes.
Why bring the British into this?? To be historically acurate... no!?
The Bus
08-20-09, 07:22 PM
Looks like you might have to check with your local AMC for a midnight show. Regal is not running any of them (but they ran them for Funny People?) and even AMC is not running them everywhere.
I thought Ebert gave Death Proof three stars and Planet Terror 2˝?
The Bus
08-21-09, 03:44 AM
Just got back from a midnight showing. The film was great — not action-packed at all, aside from a few scenes, and the pacing was pretty good. Interesting to see Tarantino start to self-reference himself now. If you've liked a majority of his films, definitely go see this.
The Bus
08-21-09, 03:47 AM
Wow.
I think I'm gonna go see this.
You might go apeshit over tactical/weaponry inaccuracies. :lol:
Rypro 525
08-21-09, 03:51 AM
5 words. Tarantino is my fucking hero. he made a movie that was worth the almost 6 year wait since he first announced it. Violent as hell at certain points, lots of moments when the audienced cheered hell when Mike Myers' name showed up under the 'guest starring', it got a laugh and applause, and damn if i say it, Brad Pitt was perfect for the part. Yeah the accent was a bit over the top, but it grew on ya. Oh and a word of caution, probably 70% of the movie is in either German or French w/English subtitles, and there are really only 6 or 7 full scenes in the movie (with 5 chapters in all, kind of like Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction), so scenes do take their time, and boy does Quinten really know how to make a scene suspenseful even with just the dialogue, cause there are several points where you know something bad is gonna happen, but the scene keeps on goin.
I have 2 naration questions is that Sam Jackson that did the brief naration during 2 scenes, and when Aldo is talking to the one in command at the end, it sure as hell sounded like Harvey Keitel, was it?
The Bus
08-21-09, 03:55 AM
That was Sam Jackson doing the "newscaster narration"
as far as your second one, I don't know.
Oh, and fix your spoiler tag. :)
Rypro 525
08-21-09, 03:57 AM
got it (hell its even mentioned on imdb in the story section
rabbit77
08-21-09, 04:30 AM
Rypro It was Harvey Keitel. I knew it as soon as he came on the radio, and it's confirmed in the wiki article.My initial reaction to the film is it's very good, not a masterpiece, felt like it didn't have enough scenes to tell the whole story. And the chapter cards were unnecessary and pulled me out of the movie every time. I loved the dialogue - it sings. The violence in many scenes is like a punchline of a great joke.
About the movie theater scene It's a terrific nod to raiders of the lost ark. When the screen goes up in smoke, and Shoshanna's taunting film is projected onto the smoke, you can't help but be reminded of the spirits coming out of the ark and melting the nazis.
Brad Pitt's performance is that of a cartoon in the trailers, but in the context of the entire film it's very fitting. Especially when counterbalanced against Christoph Waltz' character's eloquence.
Rypro 525
08-21-09, 04:42 AM
now that i think about it, anyone else think that Sandler wouldn't fit in as Donnie (since he was supposed to have that part, but it went to Eli Roth, who was actually quite good)
Tarantino
08-21-09, 06:24 AM
I thought Eli Roth was very good, and definitely played the part well.
Loved the movie. The only thing that I would have liked to have seen more of was Hugo Stiglitz.
Easily my top of 2009 so far.
outcastja
08-21-09, 07:11 AM
I really liked the film, didn't expect most of the movie to be subtitled, which is why I need to watch it again to catch things I may have missed. I thought Christoph Waltz was the best thing in the movie, probably one of my favorite characters from Tarantino.
Robot Rock
08-21-09, 07:54 AM
I had the WORST time I've ever had in a movie theater because of this movie. The audience was loud as hell and kept laughing at stuff that wasn't funny. It didn't help that there was a heckler who yelled during a lot of the quiet scenes and everyone laughed at causing me to miss some of the dialogue.
Other than that, great movie. It was a slow burn to an excellent ending.
Superboy
08-21-09, 07:54 AM
Saw it again. I felt even more tepid about the movie this time around. I kept getting the feeling that the movie was rushed. It was almost as if every scene couldn't wait to get itself over with. His pacing is dramatically off here; sometimes, the movie rushes through something we'd like to see more of, and sometimes the movie grinds to an almost complete stop at the most inopportune moments.
The Bus
08-21-09, 09:44 AM
I didn't think the movie ground to a halt at all but as Ebert mentioned in his review, Tarantino made great use of dialogue as a build-up. The beginning scene at the LaPadite home was excellent: you knew something was going to go down, but the movie wouldn't get it to it quite yet. I'm a huge fan of Kill Bill but I thought it was too slow when I first saw it in theaters: I had no such issue with this film.
The German performances are excellent even the
"off-accent" at the tavern is correct.
The Bus
08-21-09, 09:46 AM
I had the WORST time I've ever had in a movie theater because of this movie. The audience was loud as hell and kept laughing at stuff that wasn't funny.
This is one of the reasons I went to a midnight show: the theater would be filled with an appreciative audience. My audience was loud as hell too, but we didn't have a heckler and they didn't laugh inappropriately.
Zen Peckinpah
08-21-09, 12:31 PM
Well, stop the press, this was as fucking stupendous as I thought it would be from reading the script, and more. I think this WILL do well at the box office, crowd COMPLETELY ate up Donny smashing open the Nazi's skull and Stiglitz shooting the colonel in the nuts, and of course the mayhem in the theater and got a HUGE applause at the end at a suburban central NJ theater. It's essentially a spaghetti-style WWII picture with Tarantino pulling the strings of signature elements from his best films. And I think it's the first time since Pulp Fiction where I can just run down a huge list of fantastic scenes in this, and I'm a HUGE fan of his stuff. Aldo Raine, Hans Landa, and Shoshanna are all iconic characters IMO.
I will do terrible things to see Christoph Waltz get an Oscar this year. Landa is a completely different villain than we've seen before, charming, genuinely funny, charismatic, repulsively arrogant, and sadistic all at once, whereas Nazis are usually portrayed as only having the latter quality. And his mood swings throughout were just seamless, jarring for the right reasons. Also, Brad Pitt might be the only person who could have done Aldo Raine justice (I think Clooney would've done well with it too), it's the craziest turn he's had since Fight Club. His "Italian" disguise...priceless.
So yeah. Best movie of '09. No question.
Anyone else notice Harvey Keitel as the voice of the radio operator Landa and Raine are talking to at the end?
Robot Rock
08-21-09, 12:50 PM
This is one of the reasons I went to a midnight show: the theater would be filled with an appreciative audience. My audience was loud as hell too, but we didn't have a heckler and they didn't laugh inappropriately.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I love loud audiences as well. But when you have some guy randomly yelling "fuckin' nazi spic" at Hitler when he first arrives on scene, it's hard to keep yourself in the movie.
I particularly enjoyed the fact that we cheered whenever a nazi got killed just as the nazi's in the theater hooted and hollered whenever a jew got killed in the movie.
Tarantino
08-21-09, 12:59 PM
Forgot to add, I loved the last line in the movie as well.
The Bus
08-21-09, 01:07 PM
Robot: I thought the film-within-a-film was a great joke on anyone in our audience who was expecting constant bloodbath versus the long stretches of dialogue we actually got.
I also liked the reference to The Searchers near the end of Chapter One.
VinVega
08-21-09, 02:00 PM
The trailers for this actually looked pretty stupid in my opinion, but since you guys are giving it really good reviews, I probably will see it. I doubt my wife will go with me, so I'll probably go by myself.
MBoyd
08-21-09, 02:25 PM
I thought the movie had many laugh out loud scenes personally! It's very over the top. I loved it and Landa is the greatest screen villain to come along in years.
The Bus
08-21-09, 02:26 PM
The trailer made it seem over-the-top in a weird, campy way. It's not. It's over-the-top in the way Tarantino movies are.
Giles
08-21-09, 03:51 PM
Rypro It was Harvey Keitel. I knew it as soon as he came on the radio, and it's confirmed in the wiki article.My initial reaction to the film is it's very good, not a masterpiece, felt like it didn't have enough scenes to tell the whole story. And the chapter cards were unnecessary and pulled me out of the movie every time. I loved the dialogue - it sings. The violence in many scenes is like a punchline of a great joke.
About the movie theater scene It's a terrific nod to raiders of the lost ark. When the screen goes up in smoke, and Shoshanna's taunting film is projected onto the smoke, you can't help but be reminded of the spirits coming out of the ark and melting the nazis.
Brad Pitt's performance is that of a cartoon in the trailers, but in the context of the entire film it's very fitting. Especially when counterbalanced against Christoph Waltz' character's eloquence.
I recognized Harvey Keitel immediatly, as for the second spoiler - yes, the visual nod was quite apparent.
On the whole I was generally impressed, but it's definately a movie that will grow on me, since 'Death Proof' didn't wow me immediately, but I've grown to like it immensily.
Giles
08-21-09, 03:53 PM
Saw it again. I felt even more tepid about the movie this time around. I kept getting the feeling that the movie was rushed. It was almost as if every scene couldn't wait to get itself over with. His pacing is dramatically off here; sometimes, the movie rushes through something we'd like to see more of, and sometimes the movie grinds to an almost complete stop at the most inopportune moments.
yeah, I agree, I wonder what the rough cut clocked in at, wonder if any deleted scenes wind up in the supplemental section of the eventual DVD/Bluray or if an extended cut of the film might appear.
Suprmallet
08-21-09, 04:21 PM
Saw it last night. Fucking fantastic! Only Tarantino could have made this movie. Long stretches of absolutely riveting dialogue leading up to one of the most cathartic climaxes I've seen in a long time. It's a smorgasbord of great scenes and film influences, but I have to say that the sequence where Shoshanna gets ready for the premiere is perhaps Tarantino's best filmmaking to date. I'll be seeing this again ASAP.
mdc3000
08-21-09, 04:22 PM
It's rare for me to see a movie this long and walk out of the theatre saying "Damn, I wish that movie were 30 minutes longer" but that's exactly what I did - I wanted to spend more time with The Basterds. It's not that we get shortchanged or anything, but there are so many interesting characters that we barely get to know, I was longing for more...and that's the mark of a great movie. I loved the shit out of this one. It is easily up there with Tarantino's best (if not at the top) and has become my favourite movie of 2009.
I thought the dialogue was fantastic, the story moved along at a decent pace and there were many of QT's signature style shots. This seems like the movie he's been warming up for - you can see bits and pieces of his earlier work here and there but it all comes off so polished yet effortless, that it just WORKS. LIKE FUCKING GANGBUSTERS. Brad Pitt was terrific and got lots of laughs. I love that the movie walks a fine line in tone between deadly serious and Tarantino's twisted brand of humour. As many have mentioned, Christoph Waltz gives an oscar worthy performance here and really steals a lot of scenes. Eli Roth was better than anticipated and Hugo Stiglitz may be one of my fave characters ever - loved his introduction.
I have to see it a second time to take it all in, but it exceeded my expectations on all fronts and just blew me away. 5/5
Saw it last night at the midnight showing. Fucking loved it. Everyone was great, but particularly Melanie Laurent and Christopher Waltz. It was so much funnier than I expected. I was constantly taking in all the references, from Morricone's Un Amico to what I feel was a nice ref to Truffaut's The Bride Wore Black. Fantastic, I think I'll be seeing it again this weekend!
Superboy
08-21-09, 07:03 PM
I didn't think the movie ground to a halt at all but as Ebert mentioned in his review, Tarantino made great use of dialogue as a build-up. The beginning scene at the LaPadite home was excellent: you knew something was going to go down, but the movie wouldn't get it to it quite yet. I'm a huge fan of Kill Bill but I thought it was too slow when I first saw it in theaters: I had no such issue with this film.
The German performances are excellent even the
"off-accent" at the tavern is correct.
I did like the first scene, and it really got me excited for the movie. I just did not like subsequent scenes.
Mondo Kane
08-21-09, 07:18 PM
:4star:
MUCH better than I was led to believe (The ranking might shoot up a notch when I see this again---Hopefully this weekend)
Like mdc3000, I wouldn't mind an extended cut one bit. Extra scenes that were shot: (That I know of)
-Cloris Leachman scene (Involving Donnie's character and the origin of the baseball bat)
-Maggie's scene (More proof of Shosanna obtaining the cinema)
-Aftermath of the rest of The Basterds
(The trailers/TV spots show Samm Levine's character (Hirschberg?) running,screaming,and shooting a machine gun. Where did this scene go?)
Too bad that Enzo Castalleri didn't make the cut (BTS footage shows that he's in the front row of the theater in Nazi attire) and it was great to see Julie Dreyfus again :drool: Plus it was a good thing that I didn't finish reading the rest of the script online. There was some (Additional) surprises that occured that I did NOT see coming. Two words, "Un Amico". Jaw-droppingly stunner of a sequence.
LOTS still to be said.....
Schloob1
08-21-09, 09:25 PM
LOVED IT!!! Amazing how 2.5 hours felt like much less, also the sign of a great film when I am not thinking is it over yet, etc. Agree with most of the comments and sorry to hear about the person in here who had a heckler, that would suck. Can't wait to get this on dvd and add to my collection.
I thought the movie had many laugh out loud scenes personally! It's very over the top. I loved it and Landa is the greatest screen villain to come along in years.
Wow, coming from a guy who has Batman as his avatar. This performance already made you forget about Ledger as the Joker? Still for me personally one of the best in a while. Landa was definitely great and pulled me in like Ledger, but I was definitely more engrossed with Heath's perforance. my opinion of course
MBoyd
08-21-09, 09:41 PM
Well sure Heath as the Joker is great. But I think we all knew what we were in for when we walked into the theater to see Dark Knight and the regular movie-going public discovered later.
I was knocked for a loop by Waltz's Landa. Complete and utter cinematic surprise for me. It's rare for me to walk into a film and be just amazed with what I see. That happened today! I'll be there for another showing.
Throwing Copper
08-21-09, 09:58 PM
I rarely ever go see movies twice in theateres these days, but this will probably be one of them.
Just WOW is all I have to say.
This was a hell of a film.
The subtitles went a little too quickly for me at times, but I'll catch it all the second time around.
Rypro 525
08-21-09, 10:20 PM
This is also one of those movies where i will buy the soundtrack too, since i loved all the Ennio music in there.
Also, i kind of chuckled in my head (not out loud) when we got the Tarantino signature bare feet shots
Robot Rock
08-21-09, 11:05 PM
Also, i kind of chuckled in my head (not out loud) when we got the Tarantino signature bare feet shots
I liked how when Landa asked to see Hammersmark's foot we thought she was going to give him the foot with the cast and see that she had been shot. But then he got the good foot and that was his plan all along. It was genius.
chris_sc77
08-21-09, 11:24 PM
This was a great movie. I started smiling once I saw the 70's/80's era Universal logo and didn't stop smiling for most of the movie. I think I need another viewing though to fully appreciate it.
I loved it but it did seem to have obvious flaws. I think some chapter 1 could have been sharper and more polished in some way. It didnt have the impact I thought it would.
But overall it was funny and cool and the audience seemed to love it.
It was packed at an 11:30 AM showing which really shocked me. and Everyone cheered and clapped like I havn't seen since Bowling For Columbine nearly 7 years ago.
I have a feeling this is gonna do much better than most people (certainly including me) thought.
Rypro 525
08-21-09, 11:25 PM
:4star:
There was some (Additional) surprises that occured that I did NOT see coming. Two words, "Un Amico". Jaw-droppingly stunner of a sequence.
LOTS still to be said.....
using tags obviously, what sequence was that? as i am not familiar with that piece of music, and will prob get the soundtrack within the next few days
dhmac
08-21-09, 11:28 PM
I loved the shit out of this one.
Now that's a blurb that should be in the ads!
Mondo Kane
08-21-09, 11:35 PM
using tags obviously, what sequence was that? as i am not familiar with that piece of music, and will prob get the soundtrack within the next few days
"Un Amico" is the track that plays right after Shosanna puts her gun down and looks at Zoller's body. I became an immediate lover of the song when I was first introduced to it when the soundtrack-details were first announced (Being a Morricone piece, it's from the film, Revolver)
I wasn't quite prepared that Tarantino would do something magical with the song once the drums kick in....But knowing Tarantino, I shouldn't have been surprised.
Loved all the other tons of nods pertaining to cinema. Ranging from Emil Jannings to "Antonio Margharetti" to the films of G. W. Pabst (Which I happen to be checking out for the upcoming Criterion-challenge)
Suprmallet
08-21-09, 11:46 PM
I also liked the ode to Taxi Driver as Shoshanna goes down to the theater for the premiere.
Rypro 525
08-21-09, 11:50 PM
man i really hate our local critic
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/movies/bal-inglourious-basterds-review-0820,0,7766886.story
i rarely agree with anything he says, so when he mentions a liking to a movie that i liked as welll, its very rare
mdc3000
08-21-09, 11:53 PM
I started smiling once I saw the 70's/80's era Universal logo
I liked that too, although Drag Me To Hell and Land Of The Lost both used the retro logo earlier this summer. Still, it definitely felt right for this movie.
beavis69
08-22-09, 12:01 AM
I liked the movie, but was sorta taken aback and a little dissapointed in how much of it was taken from Kill Bill 1 and 2. Im not talking about the music pieces alone, but some of the dialogue and situations. Otherwise enjoyable movie, will probably like it more on subsequent viewings.
Mondo Kane
08-22-09, 12:11 AM
^I was also surprised that he re-used two Kill Bill music-tracks for this. Then again, "Strawberry Letter #23" appeared in both Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown.
I liked that too, although Drag Me To Hell and Land Of The Lost both used the retro logo earlier this summer. Still, it definitely felt right for this movie.
Didn't know those other movies did it. I thought it was Tarantino's idea (Being that he also used the vintage Dimension logo on Death Proof)
For a minute, I was thinking that it would have been an homage to De Palma's Scarface--Even the red, luxorious theater lobby resembled Tony Montana's living room!
lamphorn
08-22-09, 02:09 AM
Wow, coming from a guy who has Batman as his avatar. This performance already made you forget about Ledger as the Joker? Still for me personally one of the best in a while. Landa was definitely great and pulled me in like Ledger, but I was definitely more engrossed with Heath's perforance. my opinion of course
Ledger was great, but kind of hammy and scenery-chewing (which is appropriate to the material). Waltz gave a superior performance (and had far superior writing to work with). There's no contest.
SethDLH
08-22-09, 03:33 AM
Loved this movie. My favorite movie of 2009 for sure so far and it will tough to beat. My favorite QT movie as well.
Mike86
08-22-09, 03:57 AM
I liked this a lot. The trailers made it look like it could be just okay but the movie far exceeded my expectations. Then again Tarantino has never really let me down with a movie yet. I'll probably be going back to see it again and would also like to pick up the soundtrack. The most annoying part was this guy in the theater with the most obnoxious laugh at every little thing. I mean there was funny moments but he laughed at the stupidest shit and I just wanted to tell him to shut up. Other than that very enjoyable experience I'd give the movie 4 out of 5 stars.
Ash Ketchum
08-22-09, 08:59 AM
For two hours it's very good, but it loses steam in its last half-hour. The final act should have been much more suspenseful and much more intricately edited. So I didn't leave as satisfied as I should have.
Even so, it's light years better than most other films I've seen this year (e.g. PONYO, WATCHMEN, UP, STAR TREK, PUBLIC ENEMIES, THE HANGOVER, SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE, etc.) and it really should be seen on the big screen.
I loved all the film references. Nobody in my audience seemed to get any of them, however. And I fear they're completely wasted on 90% of this board as well. You're in a stronger position to appreciate the film if you go in there knowing who Max Linder, G.W. Pabst, Leni Riefenstahl, and Emil Jannings are and if you're at least mildly familiar with Audie Murphy's backstory. And if you know something about a particular quality of nitrate film (which at least is helpfully explained for you by Samuel L. Jackson's narration in one bit). And one key scene plays much better if you know something about the famous people/characters who need to be identified in a game some Germans are playing in one scene (e.g. "Winnetou"). Tarantino knows who these people are and has clearly soaked up eras of pop culture from other countries and from decades before he was born. That's the mark of a true film lover.
chris_sc77
08-22-09, 11:25 AM
Like mdc3000, I wouldn't mind an extended cut one bit. Extra scenes that were shot: (That I know of)
-Cloris Leachman scene (Involving Donnie's character and the origin of the baseball bat)
-Maggie's scene (More proof of Shosanna obtaining the cinema)
-Aftermath of the rest of The Basterds
(The trailers/TV spots show Samm Levine's character (Hirschberg?) running,screaming,and shooting a machine gun. Where did this scene go?)
Eli ROth says in the below linked interview that The scenes involving Leachman and Donny Donowitz's backstory WILL NOT be on the DVD at all! He says Tarantino will be saving them in case he makes a prequel film.
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/
MBoyd
08-22-09, 11:27 AM
Eli ROth says in the below linked interview that The scenes involving Leachman and Donny Donowitz's backstory WILL NOT be on the DVD at all! He says Tarantino will be saving them in case he makes a prequel film.
Great! So we'll basically never see them!
SethDLH
08-22-09, 01:22 PM
full review @ http://celluloidterror.blogspot.com/
Torchur317
08-22-09, 03:38 PM
Inglourious Basterds - 8.5/10
Much better than Death Proof & very entertaining....
Jack Straw
08-22-09, 04:10 PM
One thing that didn't make sense is when Zoller leaves the theater to go up to the projection room, the negro had already blocked the exits. Was it just me that was doing a head scratch?
Also great use of the new rerecorded version of "Cat People". Was glad he got Bowie to do the honors.
Rubix
08-22-09, 04:17 PM
wonderful film. i really liked the western feel it had in the beginning.
hope eli does a commentary for the dvd, because he rules.
RyoHazuki
08-22-09, 04:26 PM
Anyone else notice Harvey Keitel as the voice of the radio operator Landa and Raine are talking to at the end?
I noticed that too. It was very cool.
I really liked the film overall. It's a little bloated, about 30 minutes could have easily been trimmed, and it is unfocused but the writing and acting was top notch. Very entertaining throughout the whole film. Can't wait to see it again.
FantasticVSDoom
08-22-09, 04:49 PM
Loved it... Nothing new to add that hasn't been said, but after a summer of some disappointments, this one was better than I was expecting so kind of refreshing
mdc3000
08-22-09, 05:04 PM
One thing that didn't make sense is when Zoller leaves the theater to go up to the projection room, the basterds had already blocked the exits. Was it just me that was doing a head scratch?
He was sitting in the upper level with Hitler and Goebbels while watching the movie - a section of the theatre that did not get sealed off. So it made perfect sense that he was able to leave and go to the projection booth.
Suprmallet
08-22-09, 05:19 PM
great use of the new rerecorded version of "Cat People". Was glad he got Bowie to do the honors.
Is this correct? I haven't been able to find any evidence that it's a re-recording. Sounds like a remixed version to me.
Jack Straw
08-22-09, 05:31 PM
Is this correct? I haven't been able to find any evidence that it's a re-recording. Sounds like a remixed version to me. We may be splitting hairs. It was a different arrangement tempo-wise, which I would think would require new vocals to be recorded. At any rate, it was interesting and unexpected given the juxtaposing of the time periods.
BuddhaWake
08-22-09, 05:36 PM
"Un Amico" is the track that plays right after Shosanna puts her gun down and looks at Zoller's body. I became an immediate lover of the song when I was first introduced to it when the soundtrack-details were first announced (Being a Morricone piece, it's from the film, Revolver)
I wasn't quite prepared that Tarantino would do something magical with the song once the drums kick in....But knowing Tarantino, I shouldn't have been surprised.
Loved all the other tons of nods pertaining to cinema. Ranging from Emil Jannings to "Antonio Margharetti" to the films of G. W. Pabst (Which I happen to be checking out for the upcoming Criterion-challenge)
Mondo, I'm with you on this one. I ABSOLUTELY loved that scene and Un Amico was perfect for it. my favorite scene in a long while.
Secretly, i'm kind of glad that Morricone wasn't able to do the soundtrack as I don't think he has the same flavor now that he did back in the 70s. Not to take away from the master, but could anyone see anything besides Un Amico being used for that scene?
Suprmallet
08-22-09, 06:05 PM
We may be splitting hairs. It was a different arrangement tempo-wise, which I would think would require new vocals to be recorded. At any rate, it was interesting and unexpected given the juxtaposing of the time periods.
I just ordered the soundtrack on vinyl (if you order it from the official Basterds soundtrack website you get a free 45 of Cat People included), so I'll have to play that back against the CD, but I don't think it's re-recorded. That track is one of my all time favorite Bowie songs (and Bowie is my favorite rock artist), and this didn't sound drastically different to me.
huh?
08-22-09, 06:37 PM
Just got back from seeing it. I loved it. Thought the last line of the film was a nice little wink at the audience.
Jack Straw
08-22-09, 07:01 PM
I just ordered the soundtrack on vinyl (if you order it from the official Basterds soundtrack website you get a free 45 of Cat People included), so I'll have to play that back against the CD, but I don't think it's re-recorded. That track is one of my all time favorite Bowie songs (and Bowie is my favorite rock artist), and this didn't sound drastically different to me. You're right, it's the remix version that was previously released, not the version on Let's Dance however.
chris_sc77
08-22-09, 07:05 PM
Cat People (putting out fire) from the flm sounds exactly like the Version i have on this CD set:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wh2Q9sHSL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
The liner notes refer to it as the "Film version Single Edit"
musick
08-22-09, 08:32 PM
Great movie ... QT does not disappoint ... great tension, great dialog
I hope there is a longer cut as well
I was kind of surprised he used chapter markers so similar to KB1 and 2
by the way I saw the 3:45 showing of this today (packed theater) and the average age in the room had to be at least 60 .... I had to step out a couple times and double check the marquee to make sure I was in the right theater
Suprmallet
08-22-09, 09:00 PM
You're right, it's the remix version that was previously released, not the version on Let's Dance however.
OK, I see your confusion. "Cat People (Putting Out Fire)" was recorded for the 1982 film Cat People. Bowie re-recorded it (in a far inferior version) for his 1983 album Let's Dance, and performed it live as the Let's Dance version. I don't think he ever performed it live in its original version, which is a shame, because the original has such wonderful atmosphere and brooding vocals. The Let's Dance version is too busy and too fast.
GenPion
08-22-09, 09:02 PM
I just saw this during the afternoon. I may go again later tonight or tomorrow.
This was (is) the best movie movie I have seen so far this year. It will be very hard to top. If the Academy Awards do not nominate it for Best Picture with their 10 nomination slots this year it will be a travesty.
Thank you Quentin Tarantino for continuing to make the best movies I have ever seen.
Suprmallet
08-22-09, 09:09 PM
I have a hard time seeing the Academy nominate this. Has any QT film other than Pulp Fiction ever been nominated for best picture?
flixtime
08-22-09, 09:24 PM
I hated DEATH PROOF, and the trailer for INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS was doing absolutely nothing for me. Still I rolled the dice and decided to give it a go. Any movie that kicks off with Dimitri Tiomkin's music from one of my all-time favorite films - John Wayne's THE ALAMO (1960) - rates A-1 in my book (though I do admit it drove me nuts trying to place the music until it finally clicked in maybe ten minutes later). I thought Tarantino did a marvelous all-around job with INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS. There were many and varied examples of filmmaking excellence to be found in the movie. The trailer (thankfully) is really not representative of the final effort, and something like Brad Pitt's accent which was off-putting to me in the trailer actually works just fine within the context of the entire film. The film was very humorous on a number of occasions, and suspenseful when required. The violence - when it did come - was powerful. I was impressed by the characters and storytelling, and the extended dialogue-driven set pieces. Generally speaking, it was a fine piece of entertainment. While I don't have any significant complaints, a nitpick is that I did find Eli Roth a little bit bland and would have been curious to see how the role might have played out with maybe someone like Ben Affleck (and he is a big baseball fan from Boston (though he needs to learn not to interfere with the home team trying to catch foul balls in the first row of the stands)). I'm a very conservative grader, and I generally don't give out perfect scores (especially on one-time viewings of new movies), so I'll score INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS at 4/5. I think Tarantino should take great pride in what he delivered with this film.
BuddhaWake
08-22-09, 09:32 PM
for anyone ordering the soundtrack, play the game and make it to level 4 or so and get a 10% off coupon.
Suprmallet
08-22-09, 10:12 PM
Aww man, I had no clue that was an option. Still, they listed the soundtrack at $24.99 on the site, but when I ordered it, it was discounted to $19.99 and I still got the free Cat People single with it.
uteotw
08-22-09, 10:12 PM
Loved it. Best movie I've seen in a long time. I was pretty bummed when Shosanna got killed, so close to finishing her master plan. Seemed weird she'd go check on him like that. They may not all be masterpieces, but no one makes a film like Tarantino.
Sanjuro37
08-22-09, 10:20 PM
I've liked all of Tarantino's films to an extent, but apart from Pulp Fiction and Grindhouse as a whole experience I sort of only praise them by setting them off to the side and adding a bunch of qualifiers. But Inglourious Basterds, which looked so iffy on paper and was so awfully marketed, was just incredible. Easily his best since PF, with nearly every scene of dialogue generating some degree of tension or laughs (often both). His actors were perfectly chosen (it helps that most of them don't get more than a few lines and just look the part; like Roth) and the direction was outstanding, even by his standards. My two favorite films of the year so far are The Hurt Locker, and this. It's like the full range of the war film spectrum in a nutshell.
Dr. DVD
08-22-09, 10:26 PM
They may not all be masterpieces, but no one makes a film like Tarantino.
Saw it, and I totally agree. The movie was more of an espionage kind of movie IMO with the Basterds serving as a backdrop than anything else, but it was well done and for that I commend QT. The movie kind of reminded of True Romance in the way it was written with all of the different little plot threads coming together at the end. I LOVED how they used David Bowie's "Cat People" song, with the Giorgio Morodor score no less! I think the only problem I had with the movie was that it drug a bit in the middle, but that's kind of knit picking.
I will also say that if Chrisoph Walts does not get an award nomination, or the award itself for Best Supporting Actor, then it would prove the academy is full of crap. I don't think I have seen a movie villain with such a strong presence since Heath Ledger as the Joker.
Mondo Kane
08-22-09, 10:59 PM
I have a hard time seeing the Academy nominate this. Has any QT film other than Pulp Fiction ever been nominated for best picture?
With the proposed "10 nominations" ballot, it'll likely be a lock.
by the way I saw the 3:45 showing of this today (packed theater) and the average age in the room had to be at least 60 .... I had to step out a couple times and double check the marquee to make sure I was in the right theater
A number of old folks at my showing too. No walkouts on the gory stuff though. They're developing stronger stomachs!
Rypro 525
08-22-09, 11:10 PM
maybe audiences are getting better? Also (granted it was a midnight showing), there were no complaints of all the subtitles either
toddly6666
08-22-09, 11:44 PM
I didn't expect this film to be that good. This film is excellent! As a jew, it's a true fantasy film, and I actually cried towards the end of the film. I didn't expect to be so moved from what the Bear Jew does at the end of the film. This film also had the biggest and longest applause at the end of the film.
Christoph Walz will be Oscar-nominated. Although the whole cast was excellent, from the father hiding to the jews at the beginning of the film, to Michael Fassbender and Til Schweiger...
resinrats
08-23-09, 12:22 AM
I think the older audience is because it is a WWII era film. I saw the Tom Cruise Valkyrie movie & there were a lot of older people there as well. I wouldn't think older people would line up for Tarentino or Pitt but a movie set during a time they remember might bring them out.
musick
08-23-09, 12:50 AM
^ that's what I kept telling myself in the theater but I think I chalk it up maybe more to the time of day and the theater/area it was playing
lamphorn
08-23-09, 12:58 AM
I have a hard time seeing the Academy nominate this. Has any QT film other than Pulp Fiction ever been nominated for best picture?
I would be shocked if it is NOT nominated. Don't forget, they're nominating 10 Best Pictures this year.
But even if they were still just doing 5, this would make it. WW2, Jews, critical acclaim (Ebert's calling it the best film of the year), better-than-expected box office, superb bunch of performances (most Academy voters are actors), the perception that this is something of a comeback for Tarantino (after the Grindhouse bomb)= definitely a good night at the Oscars for the Basterds.
Suprmallet
08-23-09, 01:25 AM
Well, I sure hope it is, because it deserves it.
mike7162
08-23-09, 01:55 AM
I saw this at a 10:30 am screening in a 3/4 full house, with an unusually well-behaved crowd.
I read as little as I could about the film in order to see it with fresh eyes. The trailer was, however, unavoidable and completely misrepresents the film - I was prepared for a Coen Brothers-type comedy!
I found the film completely entertaining and highly enjoyable; Tarantino's love of cinema is what his movies are about and I think it's more palpable here than any of his other films. However, all of the movie references and music cues were a bit distracting for me; I'm betting this movie would play a lot better to less hardcore movie fans; I found my self name-checking so much (ah, a cue from The Mercenary...hey, Antonio Margharetti!) that it at times pulled me out of the film. Lately it seems QT is far too interested in displaying the breadth of his film knowledge than the nuts and bolts of his story.
Strong acting all around - Brad Pitt in particular as a truly heroic character, and Laurent and Waltz anchoring the film splendidly. I thought Eli Roth was unimpressive in what should have been a kickass scene. He has a great face, but should give up acting and stick to directing - better yet...uh,never mind.
All in all, after "Death Proof", it was great to see Tarantino rebound with such an excellent film.
Mondo Kane
08-23-09, 02:31 AM
Tarantino's love of cinema is what his movies are about and I think it's more palpable here than any of his other films. However, all of the movie references and music cues were a bit distracting for me;
Well, I'm always looking forward to what he uses.
Since Kill Bill, I've been getting such joy to go to my little old, local theater and hearing tunes from Death Rides a Horse and Navajo Joe blasting out of the theater's speakers. And now with this film, I can crack a big smile when I recognize music from The Big Gundown or Slaughter.
It's also such a treat to see young'uns (And certain older folks, as well) get introduced to a certain type of film-music that they're just never accustomed to hearing in this day & age (Considering that this "Cool" music often came from mundane and "Trashy" cinema--And now he's put it in the appearance of mainstream film) I just can't help to applaud him for what he's doing.
Going back tomorrow for the 1:00pm showing.
Nice DVD collection,BTW, Mike!
GenPion
08-23-09, 02:45 AM
I still can't stop thinking about this. It floored me. I'm going to go see it again tomorrow with a friend. He's not as big of a Tarantino fan as I am but I expect he'll love this.
mike7162
08-23-09, 03:07 AM
Well, I'm always looking forward to what he uses.
Since Kill Bill, I've been getting such joy to go to my little old, local theater and hearing tunes from Death Rides a Horse and Navajo Joe blasting out of the theater's speakers. And now with this film, I can crack a big smile when I recognize music from The Big Gundown or Slaughter.
It's also such a treat to see young'uns (And certain older folks, as well) get introduced to a certain type of film-music that they're just never accustomed to hearing in this day & age (Considering that this "Cool" music often came from mundane and "Trashy" cinema--And now he's put it in the appearance of mainstream film) I just can't help to applaud him for what he's doing.
Going back tomorrow for the 1:00pm showing.
Nice DVD collection,BTW, Mike!
I get what you're saying - if someone in the crowd could be turned on to G W Pabst or Morricone, it's all good. But it's always been a point of pride of mine that I came by my knowledge organically, seeking out films, directors, etc - it's the journey that's been the joy of my life. Tarantino is like that guy in the record store that hands an album to you and says, "You should really check out this group" - I enjoy the nods as well, but it might be time to dial it back a bit.There are times when I find myself in conversations with friends or family and begin pushing a director onto someone, or mentioning an obscure film, and completely killing the conversation (perhaps I should look into acquiring more sophisticated friends!).
Thanks for the compliment on my collection! I'm also seeing the Basterds again tomorrow.
Lastblade
08-23-09, 03:30 AM
Well, I sure hope it is, because it deserves it.
Me 2. And I hope it wins. If Slumdog can win, well, this is 10x better than Slumdog (and I liked Slumdog, but it is pretty forgettable).
There are so many memorable scenes, it is like a flashback to Pulp Fiction days when I can't believe what I just saw and want to see it again as soon as it is over.
Love the sound track.
dino88
08-23-09, 04:14 AM
How great would it be if, when they release the Grindhouse SE dvd, they added a fake trailer for a Hugo Stiglitz movie during the intermission?
RForte1189
08-23-09, 07:21 AM
the best part of this movie was its historical accuracy, I-talian speakers "bon gerno" and eli roths face as he went from shooting people trapped in the cinema to hitlers face before the place blew up LOL this movie had me dying the whole time hilarious
huh?
08-23-09, 08:06 AM
the best part of this movie was its historical accuracy, I-talian speakers "bon gerno" and eli roths face as he went from shooting people trapped in the cinema to hitlers face before the place blew up LOL this movie had me dying the whole time hilarious
Um... OK...
jpoppe
08-23-09, 11:08 AM
Overheard while leaving the theater:
"Wow, I had no idea that's how Hitler died."
The guy had to be in his 30's.
:doh:
MBoyd
08-23-09, 11:29 AM
Overheard while leaving the theater:
"Wow, I had no idea that's how Hitler died."
The guy had to be in his 30's.
:doh:
Maybe it was one of his doubles! :lol:
Patman
08-23-09, 12:19 PM
Sometimes a long running time is good if the writer/director makes good use of the time, but in the end, for me, "Inglourious Basterds" ran far longer than needed, and short-shrifted the viewers with pertinent backstories of characters who turned into plot devices far too many times for my tastes.
The underlying thread for the plotline is that German-occupied France has seen horrific war atrocities from the Nazis towards the Jews, and a squad of Inglourious Basterds (mainly enlisted or recruited Jews) has been dispatched to turn the tables on the Nazis. The IB are led by Aldo Raines (Brad Pitt), and they make their mark on the war efforts. Unfortunately, their actual screentime is limited, or far too passive in certain chapters, which play out as a series of a game of Gotcha!
Quentin Tarantino still needs an editor who will chop out so much lengthy dialogue that meanders, yeah, sure, there's a point in it all, but rarely a large enough point to make it worth its running time. And yes, that's QT's cinematic signature, but eventually he'll figure out that less is more at times. With the chapter vignettes outlining the film, the film just starts and stops and looses narrative drive on many ocassions.
Easily, this is a 2-hour film given its plotline and focus, but it runs a good 30 minutes too long. Plus Quentin so loves his musical choices, it gets repetitive in how he'll build to a climax of a scene and employs unsubtle musical cues to get there. The build-up of tension in the first chapter was solid (though the scene just would never end, it seemed), but then it sort of gets away from QT in subsequent chapters. By the time the film gets to its final chapter, it simmers to underwhelming boiling effect for its conclusion (it's almost Mel Brooks-esque in comedic undertones).
That being said, I enjoyed staring at Melanie Laurent (Shoshanna), and Christoph Waltz's Landa is sure to pick up a Best Supporting Actor nomination (as he looked like he had a lot of fun with his game of Gotcha!). Brad Pitt's character was somewhat under-utilized, but Pitt mined almost every line of dialogue for solid dramatic or comedic effect. The rest of the supporting cast was hit-or-miss for me, some stood out in a good way, while others did not.
Overall, I think I liked about 75%-80%, so I give it 2.75 stars, or a grade of B-.
dogmatica
08-23-09, 12:25 PM
Like The Dark Knight last summer, I had no idea what was going to happen from moment-to-moment, with a ton of suspense built up throughout the film. That's what made it work for me and it's definitely something I'll see again.
mike7162
08-23-09, 01:12 PM
Overheard while leaving the theater:
"Wow, I had no idea that's how Hitler died."
The guy had to be in his 30's.
:doh:
Please tell me that was a joke!
anomynous
08-23-09, 01:37 PM
I'm really surprised at how good Eli Roth was in the movie
Granted, he wasn't in it A LOT, but still. Suprised me, he can actually act
mdc3000
08-23-09, 03:49 PM
^And he gets one of the coolest moments in the film, where he's got that gun glove on and blows that dude's brains out!
Jack Straw
08-23-09, 04:01 PM
With the proposed "10 nominations" ballot, it'll likely be a lock.
A number of old folks at my showing too. No walkouts on the gory stuff though. They're developing stronger stomachs! Perhaps they're willing to sit through it knowing what's likely to come at the end?
Jack Straw
08-23-09, 04:13 PM
I liked the slow-mo shot as the two of them knock off the guards outside the theater box door. Definite nod to Godfather II with how the gun was concealed.
redrum
08-23-09, 04:35 PM
The punch guns were sick
Sessa17
08-23-09, 04:46 PM
OK, I saw this last night, if anyone has seen my posts in the other thread for this film, you'll know I had pretty much zero interest in seeing this movie, & aside from growing bored w/ Tarantino, a major reason I didn't want to see this movie was b/c I don't like Pitt & I cringed from him in the trailer.
Now, that said, I really really enjoyed the movie, but I also thought it has some huge flaws. I thought Pitt was fantastic. Mélanie Laurent was my favorite part of the film, & if Tarantino has brought more attention to her in the states, then this film was worth it.
However, I am completely tired of Tartantino simply riffing on other films & even more tired of his boring, swiping of songs from other films & even himself to make these lazy soundtracks. I never get all the people gushing over his soundtracks, they are almost entirely songs that are in other films, yet nobody seems to care about them until Tarantino uses them. And personally, I thought the use of the Bowie song was atrocious.
Another week spot of the movie for me was the supporting cast. Outside of the scene stealers in Pitt, Laurent, & Waltz, I thought especially for a QT film, the cast was extremely week. I still think Roth was poor casting, I hated the Myers cameo, didn't like at all the actor that played Zoller, & I can't even remember any of the Basterds.
After seeing two weeks of films in the theater that epitomize the modern-ADD-MTV style of filmmaking w/ GI Joe & District 9, that I utterly loathe, it really emphasizes, one of the things that is great about Tarantino. That he holds shots (accept for the horribly overused 360 spinning camera when two people are talking), & actually requires the audience to listen & sit through a scene as it slowly develops. Personally, I always enjoy his lengthy dialogues, the opening scene & the bar meet-up two of the most drawn out scenes in the film were my favorites.
Matthew Chmiel
08-23-09, 04:52 PM
However, I am completely tired of Tartantino simply riffing on other films & even more tired of his boring, swiping of songs from other films & even himself to make these lazy soundtracks. I never get all the people gushing over his soundtracks, they are almost entirely songs that are in other films, yet nobody seems to care about them until Tarantino uses them. And personally, I thought the use of the Bowie song was atrocious.
Disagree. There is no real composer out now who works in the industry that would be able to mimic Morricone, especially since this is Tarantino's WWII answer to Once Upon a Time in the West and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. I personally rather have Tarantino use the Morricone tracks rather than have a composer attempt at do one. I thought the use of "Un Amico" (as others have mentioned) was downright brilliant as was "Rabbia E Tarantella" at the end.
I can't even remember any of the Basterds.
One of the more interesting parts for me that each scene involved a different selection of Basterds so that almost all of them get their indvidual chance to shine rather than have everybody bunched up throughout the film.
(accept for the horribly overused 360 spinning camera when two people are talking)
I thought the 360 shot worked well, specifically in the restaurant scene with Shoshana. I also loved the overhead shot as Shoshana walked out of the projectionist room before the premiere.
Sessa17
08-23-09, 04:57 PM
I also loved the overhead shot as Shoshana walked out of the projectionist room before the premiere.
That was a fantastic shot, very similar to a shot in Kill Bill though. I was mostly thinking of when Landa & Hammersmark first encounter each other at the theater & the camera is just spinning round & round them. It's just personal taste, I'm sick of seeing this move in films. It's become so redundant.
Dr. DVD
08-23-09, 05:22 PM
OK, I saw this last night, if anyone has seen my posts in the other thread for this film, you'll know I had pretty much zero interest in seeing this movie, & aside from growing bored w/ Tarantino, a major reason I didn't want to see this movie was b/c I don't like Pitt & I cringed from him in the trailer.
Yet you still plunked down the money to see it. In all my time here I have never been able to figure out why so many posters express no interest in a movie, think it will suck, and then go see the movie anyway and come back here to talk about all they found wrong with something they were prepared to mostly dislike from the start.
Sessa17
08-23-09, 05:47 PM
Yet you still plunked down the money to see it. In all my time here I have never been able to figure out why so many posters express no interest in a movie, think it will suck, and then go see the movie anyway and come back here to talk about all they found wrong with something they were prepared to mostly dislike from the start.
Did you not read my post? Where I say how surprised I was & admit how much I enjoyed the movie. That is exactly why I "plunked down money to see it", that & when you are with a large group as I was, you go to see whatever everyone wants to see. I for one, can never understand why people have such incredible problems, with someone that simply has an opinion, & doesn't see everything as perfect & flawless all the time. Just b/c I like a movie, doesn't mean that a film is perfect, & that I can't make observations about what I didn't like. At the same time, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, in fact there is nothing I love more. I posted that disliked Pitt (I still do), but that he was wonderful in the film. That just makes the movie experience better for me.
Dr. DVD
08-23-09, 05:53 PM
Did you not read my post? Where I say how surprised I was & admit how much I enjoyed the movie. That is exactly why I "plunked down money to see it", that & when you are with a large group as I was, you go to see whatever everyone wants to see. I for one, can never understand why people have such incredible problems, with someone that simply has an opinion, & doesn't see everything as perfect & flawless all the time. Just b/c I like a movie, doesn't mean that a film is perfect, & that I can't make observations about what I didn't like. At the same time, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, in fact there is nothing I love more. I posted that disliked Pitt (I still do), but that he was wonderful in the film. That just makes the movie experience better for me.
I read your post, and notice I said mostly didn't like. I wasn't referring to you specifically, just people who do this kind of stuff in general and used a bit of your post as an example. If you liked a lot of it, good. I found flaws with it as well, though I liked Bowie's song placement a lot more I think. My main problem just stems from people who have no interest in seeing a movie and go anyway.
Sessa17
08-23-09, 06:03 PM
My main problem just stems from people who have no interest in seeing a movie and go anyway.
I'm just curious, not arguing, but do you only see movies that you are interested in, nothing else?
For me, that is simply impossible to do & I'm glad for that. Often, my favorite film experiences are films I previously had zero interest in seeing. I guess you are lucky, but for me, often my girl dictates & chooses what we are going to see, so I don't always have say in the matter. But that's fine by me. Also, I usually go to the movies in large groups, or just let someone else choose what we are seeing, many of my favorite films have been movies that I never planned on seeing that friends have turned me on to.
But I guess that is why so many here don't criticize anything much, b/c you only see movies you know you are going to like.
Daytripper
08-23-09, 06:39 PM
Loved loved LOVED this film! Welcome back Tarantino. I thought both "Kill Bill 2" and "Death Proof" were long winded bore fests. But this has EVERYTHING! I did not want it to end and I'm very anxious to see a director's cut one day. It's obvious many of the more violent scenes were scaled down for an R rating. This better get a Best Picture Oscar nomination. And now that the Academy Awards are allowing 10 films, I'm sure it will. I also feel there are several Oscar worthy performances. I'll be seeing this again very soon.
Mondo Kane
08-23-09, 07:36 PM
Saw it again for a 2nd time. The final carving of the movie looked more brutal this time around
And when the DVD comes around, I can't wait to play with the slo-mo button. Regarding the basement scene:
Did Eric the bartender suddenly turn traitor? It seems like he aims his shotgun at the allies' table long after the SS officer had been stabbed by Hugo.
PopcornTreeCt
08-23-09, 08:17 PM
I loved this movie.
It feels good to see a movie by a director who truly appreciates and loves films. You could see it in every frame. Much like Kill Bill, I had read the scripts months ahead of seeing the film but it certainly didn't do it justice. I loved everything about it.
I especially enjoyed the end where we see Col. Ando Raine say "I think this might be my masterpiece" and then cut to Written & Directed by Quentin Tarantino.
Draven
08-23-09, 09:21 PM
But I guess that is why so many here don't criticize anything much, b/c you only see movies you know you are going to like.[/QUOTE]
Just saw the flick and loved it - tons of atmosphere and genuine dread (which I've never felt in a QT flick before...a little bit in Deathproof but that's it) and some great performances. Pitt cracked me up whenever he's on screen. Solid cast from top to bottom and just a great time at the movies
I'm just curious, not arguing, but do you only see movies that you are interested in, nothing else?
For me, that is simply impossible to do & I'm glad for that. Often, my favorite film experiences are films I previously had zero interest in seeing. I guess you are lucky, but for me, often my girl dictates & chooses what we are going to see, so I don't always have say in the matter. But that's fine by me. Also, I usually go to the movies in large groups, or just let someone else choose what we are seeing, many of my favorite films have been movies that I never planned on seeing that friends have turned me on to.
You have absolutely blown my mind - I cannot fathom paying $20 to see a movie that I don't know if I want to see. I'll rent something on Netflix with little fanfare but when I go to the theaters, it's to see a movie I want to see. I honestly can't fathom why anyone would do otherwise.
And luckily I married a woman with the same tastes I have so we never have an issue and both of us enjoyed the hell out of Inglorious Basterds today.
slop101
08-23-09, 09:21 PM
Just got back from seeing.
My review:
Fan-fucking-tastic flick.
Tarantinos' best? Only time will tell.
One thing that stood out for me was that there are so many Easter Eggs in this movie for fans of old French and German films to pour over. I hope the blu-ray has some sort of pop-up trivia track or something.
Aegean2007
08-23-09, 09:34 PM
I just saw this and loved it, my favorite film of the year.
My only complaint has nothing to do with the film: somebody read every single subtitle out loud. Fine, if you can't read I guess somebody has to read it out loud to you. But could that person maybe whisper instead of talking as loud as they can? They weren't even that close to me and I could still hear them. Here's how far away they were from me (this is a view from the side):
Only 3 1/2 stars from me. I really enjoyed all the parts with Brad Pitt and the Basterds, but the Shoshona stuff, outside of the intro, were a bit too slow for me and I had little interest in her and Zoller's part of the story. The film had me early on with the introduction of the Bear Jew and Stiglitz, and I had expected more in that vein so I was a little disappointed that the rest of the Basterds didn't get the same treatment that I was looking for. I was also wondering where Sam Levine's character went, as we really don't see him again at the end of the film and a shame since all the others got either some cool scenes or at least some small bits of humor like BJ Novak's "little man" comment.
I think this is something i'll love and appreciate more on additional viewings, but until then I still enjoy Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, and Kill Bill vol 1 ahead of Basterds.
slop101
08-23-09, 10:08 PM
LOL!!! Did I miss something.....Cloris Leachman was in this!??
http://www.moviepostershop.com/movie_info.php?products_id=190197&products=Inglourious+Basterds+%282009%29She was in a deleted scene having to do with the Eli Roth character.
musick
08-23-09, 10:12 PM
but until then I still enjoy Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, and Kill Bill vol 1 ahead of Basterds.
and that in no way can be considered a bad thing
Daytripper
08-23-09, 10:57 PM
She was in a deleted scene having to do with the Eli Roth character.
Is that true? Tell me more!
LickTheABCs
08-23-09, 11:42 PM
Is that true? Tell me more!
I think she plays Mrs. Himmelstein who Donny visits before being shipped out. He goes to people in his neighborhood and gets them to sign the names of family members in Europe on his bat.
Roth has said it won't appear on the DVD because QT is waiting to put it in the prequel he's writing that is scheduled to come out in 2024.
dhmac
08-24-09, 12:00 AM
I saw it today and loved it!
If I could change one thing with it, though, it would be...
...to add a short montage sequence of the Basterds in action set to Tarantino-appropriate music just before the Hitler "Nein! Nein! Nein!" scene. I think visually seeing that the Basterds were very successful in their mission would've improved that scene and the scenes that follow it, instead of us the viewers gradually figuring out that they are already successfully killing "Nat-sees".
movielib
08-24-09, 01:05 AM
I didn't think any other Tarantino film would ever top Pulp Fiction for me. The Kill Bill movies came close but not quite. This is now my favorite Tarantino film and my best movie of the year so far.
I like this history much more than the "real" one.
Loved this movie, seeing it again tomorrow. The opening reminded me of the beginning of The Good The Bad and The Ugly (QT's favorite film) when Lee Van Cleef enters the farmer's house, and has a conversation and eats a meal with him while the family exits the room. And of course it ends in a similar way as well.
Robot Rock
08-24-09, 02:39 AM
Maybe the wrong thread, but I want more people to hear this. Christoph Waltz (Jew Hunter) from the movie talking with Adam Carolla on his podcast today.
http://www.adamcarolla.com/ACPBlog/
Giantrobo
08-24-09, 02:57 AM
I saw "IB" tonite and I really dug it. The dialogue and humor was top notch and the when the action happened after the great build ups, it delivered. :up:
Plus, how can I not fuckin' LOVE a film that uses the theme from "Cat People" to set a mood?
Giantrobo
08-24-09, 03:05 AM
About the movie theater scene It's a terrific nod to raiders of the lost ark. When the screen goes up in smoke, and Shoshanna's taunting film is projected onto the smoke, you can't help but be reminded of the spirits coming out of the ark and melting the nazis.
Yep, that was awesome. :up:
Suprmallet
08-24-09, 03:11 AM
Saw it again tonight. After the first viewing, I thought it was Tarantino's third best, after Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction. Now, after a second viewing, I'd say it's neck and neck with Jackie Brown, and it may very well take the top spot after I see it again on Tuesday.
This time the movie felt a lot shorter, perhaps since I knew what was going to happen. Also, I teared up during the Cat People sequence and the climax. It hit me in the gut this time around. Speaking of Cat People, apparently Tarantino originally wanted Nastassja Kinski to play Von Hammersmark. That would have been great.
I noticed that Tarantino uses a short over the head tracking shot when Landa is looking for Shosanna under the floorboards at the beginning, and then it's mimicked when Shosanna leaves the private room of her cinema to go into the main lobby. I had noticed Shosanna's overhead shot the first time (I mentioned it earlier as a Taxi Driver reference), but didn't realize he was using it as a parallel shot from earlier. Great, great filmmaking. Can't wait to see it again on Tuesday.
Edit: I'm actually re-watching Schrader's Cat People now. Good idea, poorly executed, outside of a few cool scenes.
Ash Ketchum
08-24-09, 05:50 AM
I saw it today and loved it!
If I could change one thing with it, though, it would be...
...to add a short montage sequence of the Basterds in action set to Tarantino-appropriate music just before the Hitler "Nein! Nein! Nein!" scene. I think visually seeing that the Basterds were very successful in their mission would've improved that scene and the scenes that follow it, instead of us the viewers gradually figuring out that they are already successfully killing "Nat-sees".
Yeah, such a montage would have helped fill a considerable gap there.
Bandoman
08-24-09, 08:31 AM
I didn't like the Bowie song at first because it took me out of the movie, it was just too incongruous. The more I think about it, however, the more I like it. Most everything that had happened up to that point in the movie was consistent with history - it was fiction, but it could have happened. The climax of the film was pure fiction, and the music wasn't there to take us out of the movie, but to take us out of history and into Tarantino's alternate reality.
Daytripper
08-24-09, 09:58 AM
Saw it again tonight. After the first viewing, I thought it was Tarantino's third best, after Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction. Now, after a second viewing, I'd say it's neck and neck with Jackie Brown, and it may very well take the top spot after I see it again on Tuesday.
This time the movie felt a lot shorter, perhaps since I knew what was going to happen. Also, I teared up during the Cat People sequence and the climax. It hit me in the gut this time around. Speaking of Cat People, apparently Tarantino originally wanted Nastassja Kinski to play Von Hammersmark. That would have been great.
I noticed that Tarantino uses a short over the head tracking shot when Landa is looking for Shosanna under the floorboards at the beginning, and then it's mimicked when Shosanna leaves the private room of her cinema to go into the main lobby. I had noticed Shosanna's overhead shot the first time (I mentioned it earlier as a Taxi Driver reference), but didn't realize he was using it as a parallel shot from earlier. Great, great filmmaking. Can't wait to see it again on Tuesday.
Edit: I'm actually re-watching Schrader's Cat People now. Good idea, poorly executed, outside of a few cool scenes.
I'm afraid to watch "Cat People" again. Haven't seen it since the mid-80's and I loved it so much back then. Just know it will feel dated. But what a cool production design and cinematography.
Back to "Basterds". And I didn't see this talked about anywhere in this thread. If I overlooked it, my apologies. But were the different fonts during the opening credits the same as the other Tarantino films? One set looked like "Pulp Fiction".
Saw it again for a 2nd time. The final carving of the movie looked more brutal this time around
And when the DVD comes around, I can't wait to play with the slo-mo button. Regarding the basement scene:
Did Eric the bartender suddenly turn traitor? It seems like he aims his shotgun at the allies' table long after the SS officer had been stabbed by Hugo.
yeah I thought that bit of carnage went by incredibly fast. blink and y'll miss it.
Aegean2007
08-24-09, 10:23 AM
Did everybody catch the reason for the misspelled title?
It was carved like that on one of Aldo's guns during the first baseball bat scene.
It went by really quickly and I didn't see anybody else mention it.
Giles
08-24-09, 10:29 AM
I liked the fact that font of the opening credits were at least three different types
hapgilmore
08-24-09, 10:29 AM
Best movie of the summer. Second best movie of the year behind Watchmen.
Ash Ketchum
08-24-09, 10:41 AM
But I guess that is why so many here don't criticize anything much, b/c you only see movies you know you are going to like.
Just saw the flick and loved it - tons of atmosphere and genuine dread (which I've never felt in a QT flick before...a little bit in Deathproof but that's it) and some great performances. Pitt cracked me up whenever he's on screen. Solid cast from top to bottom and just a great time at the movies
You have absolutely blown my mind - I cannot fathom paying $20 to see a movie that I don't know if I want to see. I'll rent something on Netflix with little fanfare but when I go to the theaters, it's to see a movie I want to see. I honestly can't fathom why anyone would do otherwise.
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I often go to movies I know I'm not going to like--simply because I feel it's necessary to see certain movies and be part of the conversation. E.g. WATCHMEN, UP, STAR TREK, SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE, assorted Oscar nominees, etc.
I feel I need to see AVATAR even though I know it's going to be one long, excruciating struggle to sit through. For better or worse, I have to know what Cameron does with 3-D. I've hated most of Cameron's films, but I had to see them to be part of the conversation. TITANIC was hugely popular (biggest grosser of all time, right?) so if one is interested in film, one has to see the big grossers to know what clicks with audiences and what the zeitgeist is offering up at any given time. And I'd rather see such films on the big screen where I have to sit in my seat till it's over. If I was watching them on cable, I'd turn away after a half-hour and never watch the damn things. If you care about the medium, then it's clearly about more than what turns you on.
KillerCannibal
08-24-09, 10:47 AM
Saw it yesterday in a pretty packed theater. As of right now I'm giving it 4.5/5. It was amazing, easily my favorite film of the year (along with Watchmen). I thought some of the dialogue scenes (such as the bar scene), while very good, did slow the pace a bit. I didn't really have a problem with them, maybe I just wanted to see more of the Basterds in action. I'm sure subsequent viewings will raise it up to 5/5. I really want to go see it again.
Pitt was good, really good. This is one of his best performances, easily.
Roth was def a weak link. The guy just isn't a good actor. I would kill to have seen the film with Sandler in that role, or just about anyone else that IS an actor.
Til Schweiger is the fucking man! Hugo!
Fantastic soundtrack. I really want to pick up a copy. He used so much good music, esp Bowie's "Cat People". And who can't love sitting in a crowded theater being blasted by Morricone? I'm glad he's breathing some new life into the Maestro's tunes.
Well, hell... now I'm giving it a 5/5. I can't knock it for anything right now, as I think about it. QT does it again.
Draven
08-24-09, 11:03 AM
I often go to movies I know I'm not going to like--simply because I feel it's necessary to see certain movies and be part of the conversation. E.g. WATCHMEN, UP, STAR TREK, SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE, assorted Oscar nominees, etc.
I feel I need to see AVATAR even though I know it's going to be one long, excruciating struggle to sit through. For better or worse, I have to know what Cameron does with 3-D. I've hated most of Cameron's films, but I had to see them to be part of the conversation. TITANIC was hugely popular (biggest grosser of all time, right?) so if one is interested in film, one has to see the big grossers to know what clicks with audiences and what the zeitgeist is offering up at any given time. And I'd rather see such films on the big screen where I have to sit in my seat till it's over. If I was watching them on cable, I'd turn away after a half-hour and never watch the damn things. If you care about the medium, then it's clearly about more than what turns you on.
A part of the conversation with who? The only reason I could see doing this is if you were a film student or working in the industry. Then I can understand doing "research" for your job. I work for a daytime talk show and watch "Regis and Kelly" and "The View" for work, but would never do it otherwise.
That said, I can read my copy of "Entertainment Weekly" and remain current on films that I never see. There is no reason for me to spend good money to do something or see something I have no interest in. Movies are entertaiment and are, to me, something to be enjoyed. To do otherwise is like buying a CD you know you won't like or reading a book you think you'll hate. Would you do that too? Ultimately, what's the point?
Ash Ketchum
08-24-09, 12:02 PM
A part of the conversation with who? The only reason I could see doing this is if you were a film student or working in the industry. Then I can understand doing "research" for your job. I work for a daytime talk show and watch "Regis and Kelly" and "The View" for work, but would never do it otherwise.
That said, I can read my copy of "Entertainment Weekly" and remain current on films that I never see. There is no reason for me to spend good money to do something or see something I have no interest in. Movies are entertaiment and are, to me, something to be enjoyed. To do otherwise is like buying a CD you know you won't like or reading a book you think you'll hate. Would you do that too? Ultimately, what's the point?
Lack of curiosity is an affliction shared by many on this board (and many in your generation). So you've got plenty of company.
Draven
08-24-09, 12:19 PM
Lack of curiosity is an affliction shared by many on this board (and many in your generation). So you've got plenty of company.
What? I see things I'm curious about all the time. That's the whole reason to see something, because I'm curious about it. But I'm not curious about things I know I won't like. That's a huge waste of time.
And what generation do I come from, since you seem to know me so well?
Hokeyboy
08-24-09, 12:43 PM
I often go to movies I know I'm not going to like--simply because I feel it's necessary to see certain movies and be part of the conversation. E.g. WATCHMEN, UP, STAR TREK, SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE, assorted Oscar nominees, etc.
I feel I need to see AVATAR even though I know it's going to be one long, excruciating struggle to sit through. For better or worse, I have to know what Cameron does with 3-D. I've hated most of Cameron's films, but I had to see them to be part of the conversation. TITANIC was hugely popular (biggest grosser of all time, right?) so if one is interested in film, one has to see the big grossers to know what clicks with audiences and what the zeitgeist is offering up at any given time. And I'd rather see such films on the big screen where I have to sit in my seat till it's over. If I was watching them on cable, I'd turn away after a half-hour and never watch the damn things. If you care about the medium, then it's clearly about more than what turns you on.
So wait... you watch movies you know you'll despise just to be one of the "cool kids" who's "hip" to all things going on in the movie industry?
More power to you bro, but that seems like a COLLOSSAL waste of time to me. There's entirely too much out there in the world of art and entertainment -- and entirely too little time in the human lifespan -- to be spent drudging through anything that is an arduous squandering of personal resources.
I love films, and I couldn't care less about the "zeitgeist" and their fickle, capricious whims. I love a big popular movie as much as the next guy, as long as it's good, but no amount of money in the world is going to get me to watch "Transformers 2".
slop101
08-24-09, 01:08 PM
I love films, and I couldn't care less about the "zeitgeist" and their fickle, capricious whims.I agree. There's more than enough good stuff out there that I don't need to be spending my limited time on the bad.
I'll have people try to talk to me about American Idol or some crap and I just have to tell them that I'm not part of the teen demographic. I tend to belittle them too, but that's just my own fucked up narrative.
hapgilmore
08-24-09, 01:16 PM
All of you criticizing Eli Roth's acting should realize that his appearance in this film is better than anything in any of the movies he's actually directed (Hostel is complete garbage).
fumanstan
08-24-09, 01:57 PM
All of you criticizing Eli Roth's acting should realize that his appearance in this film is better than anything in any of the movies he's actually directed (Hostel is complete garbage).
I thought Roth was pretty good on his role. He did exactly what he was supposed to.
Ash Ketchum
08-24-09, 02:36 PM
So wait... you watch movies you know you'll despise just to be one of the "cool kids" who's "hip" to all things going on in the movie industry?
More power to you bro, but that seems like a COLLOSSAL waste of time to me. There's entirely too much out there in the world of art and entertainment -- and entirely too little time in the human lifespan -- to be spent drudging through anything that is an arduous squandering of personal resources.
I love films, and I couldn't care less about the "zeitgeist" and their fickle, capricious whims. I love a big popular movie as much as the next guy, as long as it's good, but no amount of money in the world is going to get me to watch "Transformers 2".
That's a pretty laughable statement when it comes to me. Wanting to know what's going on in the culture you're a part of (i.e. film culture) is not the same as wanting to be "cool" or "hip." Again, it's curiosity, a quality you either have or you don't. For instance, I don't like politics but I feel it's necessary to know who these people are who are spending our money. So I read the papers and complain to my local politicians and vote every November. Most people who don't like politics don't even vote, which is why we're in the messes we've been in (and continue to be in). Being a good citizen means voting and being a knowledgeable film buff means paying attention to UP and WATCHMEN and THE HANGOVER.
But I'll grant you one thing...given how awful the most-talked-about movies are these days, maybe it is a colossal waste of time.
asianxcore
08-24-09, 03:45 PM
Saw this yesterday with my girlfriend and I enjoyed it.
At points the film did drag for me, but as others mentioned that probably could be that I was looking forward to all the scenes with the Basterds. Brad Pitt was great in this.
I loved the scene that introduces:
Donny Donowitz. The dark tunnel and the cracking of the bat was pretty awesome
Bandoman
08-24-09, 03:50 PM
That's a pretty laughable statement when it comes to me. Wanting to know what's going on in the culture you're a part of (i.e. film culture) is not the same as wanting to be "cool" or "hip." Again, it's curiosity, a quality you either have or you don't. For instance, I don't like politics but I feel it's necessary to know who these people are who are spending our money. So I read the papers and complain to my local politicians and vote every November. Most people who don't like politics don't even vote, which is why we're in the messes we've been in (and continue to be in). Being a good citizen means voting and being a knowledgeable film buff means paying attention to UP and WATCHMEN and THE HANGOVER.
But I'll grant you one thing...given how awful the most-talked-about movies are these days, maybe it is a colossal waste of time.
By your logic, a professor of literature who hasn't read Grisham isn't well read or sufficiently curious.
LickTheABCs
08-24-09, 04:17 PM
Saw this yesterday with my girlfriend and I enjoyed it.
At points the film did drag for me, but as others mentioned that probably could be that I was looking forward to all the scenes with the Basterds. Brad Pitt was great in this.
I loved the scene that introduces:
Donny Donowitz. The dark tunnel and the cracking of the bat was pretty awesome
I love the way that scene was shot because the archway kinda resembled an oven, and the image of Donny walking out of an oven to bash a Nazi's brains in with a bat gave me goosebumps.
Suprmallet
08-24-09, 04:45 PM
By your logic, a professor of literature who hasn't read Grisham isn't well read or sufficiently curious.
:lol: :up:
Also, Eli Roth directed "Nation's Pride."
Sessa17
08-24-09, 04:50 PM
You have absolutely blown my mind - I cannot fathom paying $20 to see a movie that I don't know if I want to see. I'll rent something on Netflix with little fanfare but when I go to the theaters, it's to see a movie I want to see. I honestly can't fathom why anyone would do otherwise.
Did you not read my post? Is it really mind blowing? I thought I explained it pretty well. Sometimes the girl chooses the movie, is that really so hard to "fathom"? Sometimes I'm with a large group of friends & my choice of movie gets out voted. Is that really so hard to fathom? Also, I don' know where you are from, but movies don't cost $20 where I live. Just $10.
Bandoman
08-24-09, 04:55 PM
This discussion is fascinating, and would make a great separate thread. It's why I absolutely LOVE netflix - I get to see so many movies I wouldn't have gotten to see otherwise, either because I didn't think I'd like it, or didn't know about it when it was in the theaters, or it got a limited release and wasn't playing near me, or I was sick that day...whatever. I also don't feel guilty watching the popcorn flicks. I can see as many movies as I want without paying anything extra.
Now if only I could quit my job and watch movies all day long...
Hokeyboy
08-24-09, 05:07 PM
If you haven't watched the HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL trilogy, you lack any semblance of intellectual or artistic curiousity. :mad:
IIG
08-24-09, 05:50 PM
This movie was pretty much brilliant in every way. It obliterates everything else this year, and is in my estimation, Quentin's third best film behind Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown. I can't wait to own this masterwork...
Draven
08-24-09, 06:31 PM
Did you not read my post? Is it really mind blowing? I thought I explained it pretty well. Sometimes the girl chooses the movie, is that really so hard to "fathom"? Sometimes I'm with a large group of friends & my choice of movie gets out voted. Is that really so hard to fathom? Also, I don' know where you are from, but movies don't cost $20 where I live. Just $10.
Yes it is, because I wouldn't see a movie with my wife that we both didn't want to see. For example, she had no interest so I saw GI Joe and Transformers 2 by myself. She'll go to Julie & Julia by herself or with girlfriends at some point. And because we almost always go together, movies are a $20 expense, plus what we pay the babysitter. For example, it cost us about $50 total to see IB, with the tickets, the sitter and the concessions. I'm not throwing $50 at a movie I don't want to see.
And it has probably been 6 years since I saw a movie with someone other than my wife or my brother, so it's hard for me to understand going to a movie with a group that I didn't want to see. Back in the day, I just didn't go and other people opted out as well if they didn't like the movie. In fact, the only reason we'd be going to the theater is to see a specific movie.
So yes, it's really hard for me to understand. I just don't see movies I don't want to see, and I'm surprised that anyone would waste time and money doing so.
nickdawgy
08-24-09, 06:40 PM
I thought the movie was great.
MBoyd
08-24-09, 06:46 PM
:lol: over in this thread (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/560323-rank-em-you-saw-em-late-1990s.html) I listed quite a few movies I can't believe I went to see. Some of the WB releases were with free passes. Some with groups. And yes some out of boredom or to kill time before an appointment or meeting someone. It just happens. But certainly MUCH less for me these days. I haven't even seen Wolverine, Transformers 2, or GI JOE.
I do have to let my wife choose the movie once in a while. Like The Time Traveler's Wife the other day. I knew I'd hate it, but it was important to her to be able to choose something that HER friends recommended. Heh . . they recommended Wolverine too and I got out of that one somehow. :lol:
Anyway to keep the thread on track, Basterds was a big hit with both of us.
fumanstan
08-24-09, 06:47 PM
Yes it is, because I wouldn't see a movie with my wife that we both didn't want to see. For example, she had no interest so I saw GI Joe and Transformers 2 by myself. She'll go to Julie & Julia by herself or with girlfriends at some point. And because we almost always go together, movies are a $20 expense, plus what we pay the babysitter. For example, it cost us about $50 total to see IB, with the tickets, the sitter and the concessions. I'm not throwing $50 at a movie I don't want to see.
And it has probably been 6 years since I saw a movie with someone other than my wife or my brother, so it's hard for me to understand going to a movie with a group that I didn't want to see. Back in the day, I just didn't go and other people opted out as well if they didn't like the movie. In fact, the only reason we'd be going to the theater is to see a specific movie.
So yes, it's really hard for me to understand. I just don't see movies I don't want to see, and I'm surprised that anyone would waste time and money doing so.
I'm surprised it's that hard to understand. Certainly I can see where you wouldn't agree to such a practice and don't do it yourself, but i've seen plenty of "chick flicks" with my girlfriend and I've brought her along to action movies that I want to see. It's pretty common, although probably mostly for guys getting stuck watching romantic comedies :(
Ash Ketchum
08-24-09, 07:33 PM
If you haven't watched the HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL trilogy, you lack any semblance of intellectual or artistic curiousity. :mad:
Someone who's interested in musicals as a genre really owes it to themselves to see the High School Musical trilogy. I've seen the trilogy because I'm curious about what it takes to get kids interested in filmed musicals again. Whether they worked for me or not is secondary to revealing how they adapt the genre to an audience of kids who grew up without the familiarity with show tunes and other types of popular music that was common when I was growing up. However, if you don't like musicals and have no interest in the genre, then, yeah, it would be a waste of time to see the HSM trilogy and would serve no purpose. Simple concept, I don't get why it's so hard to understand.
Bandoman
08-24-09, 08:11 PM
Someone who's interested in musicals as a genre really owes it to themselves to see the High School Musical trilogy. I've seen the trilogy because I'm curious about what it takes to get kids interested in filmed musicals again. Whether they worked for me or not is secondary to revealing how they adapt the genre to an audience of kids who grew up without the familiarity with show tunes and other types of popular music that was common when I was growing up. However, if you don't like musicals and have no interest in the genre, then, yeah, it would be a waste of time to see the HSM trilogy and would serve no purpose. Simple concept, I don't get why it's so hard to understand.
What does it take to get young kids interested in musicals involving purple dinosaurs?
PopcornTreeCt
08-24-09, 08:12 PM
Inglourious Basterds was awesome. That's all.
Mondo Kane
08-24-09, 08:37 PM
Since Universal Pictures tends to have a working relationship with Criterion (Do The Right Thing,Temptation/Christ,Fear & Loathing,Dazed/Confused) Any chance of this movie becoming part of the Collection?
...Or will The Weinsteins get in the way?
:duel:
chris_sc77
08-24-09, 08:45 PM
^I wish they would. Weinstien tend to do some fantastic dvd's. Just look at I'm Not there, The Mist, Hallowen, The Hunting Party, The Hoax, etc.
Geofferson
08-24-09, 10:50 PM
Saw it tonight and loved it. :up: Loved the cameos by Bo Svenson and Enzo G. Castellari as well.
riotinmyskull
08-24-09, 10:54 PM
just got back from seeing this. wow. my favorite flick of the year. so much to take in. just a wonderful experience all around. thank you QT.
did anyone else sense a depalma influence on the whole theater plot once it was actually being played out. the building of the suspense, the long crane shot, once it caught fire i felt like i was watching CARRIE.
Jeffy Pop
08-24-09, 11:03 PM
did anyone else sense a depalma influence on the whole theater plot once it was actually being played out. the building of the suspense, the long crane shot, once it caught fire i felt like i was watching CARRIE.
I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but now that you mention it, yeah, I could definitely see that. QT's never been shy about admitting his admiration for DePalma.
TheySentYou
08-24-09, 11:30 PM
my Flixster Facebook review:
Inglourious Basterds - in short, is a film about a team of Americans set out to destroy the Nazi rule, let by Lt. Aldo Raine (Brad Pitt - whose backwoods American hillbilly role initially turned me completely off due to overbearing caricaturing, but later became somehow quite endearing), including two other primary character stories: Colonel Hans Landa (Christoph Waltz - in quite the defiant role which should earn him a Best Supporting Actor nomination at the LEAST), a Nazi detective set out to capture all Jews being hidden, and Shosanna Dreyfus, a Jewish woman who escapes the killing of her family led by Col. Hands Landa. Tarantino films are all about ripping off and reliving the finer moments of film genre movements, so you easily know what to expect. He'll dive into Godard's French New Wave approach, some Kurisawa samurai, exploitation, blaxploitation, noir, heist, and everything else pretentious-film-nerd-praised. With "Inglourious Basterds", he found the most passionate outlet for his film love and to show off his film knowledge. It's kind of like he decided to borrow from Giuseppe Tornatore's 1988 Italian masterpiece "Cinema Paradiso", as Shosanna (the Jewish escapee) later in the film inherits a Cinema Theatre and conjures a plan to trap a bunch of important Nazi figures (including Hitler himself) to *SEMI-SPOILER* set them on fire with fast-burning 35 mm film nitrate reels *END SEMI-SPOILER*. The pacing of the entire film follows closely to "Pulp Fiction" and "Kill Bill" with its slow-burning, well-educated dialogue of obscure referencing erupting into rashly brief moments of penetrating violence in reward to the audience's building suspense.'Inglourious Basterds' is as perfect as it gets in the world of Quentin Tarantino, and my only complaint is Eli Roth's terrible acting, in which case, he should just stick to directing fun horror films
TheySentYou
08-24-09, 11:31 PM
oh yeah, i gave it a 5/5
hapgilmore
08-24-09, 11:46 PM
my Flixster Facebook review:
Inglourious Basterds - in short, is a film about a team of Americans set out to destroy the Nazi rule, let by Lt. Aldo Raine (Brad Pitt - whose backwoods American hillbilly role initially turned me completely off due to overbearing caricaturing, but later became somehow quite endearing), including two other primary character stories: Colonel Hans Landa (Christoph Waltz - in quite the defiant role which should earn him a Best Supporting Actor nomination at the LEAST), a Nazi detective set out to capture all Jews being hidden, and Shosanna Dreyfus, a Jewish woman who escapes the killing of her family led by Col. Hands Landa. Tarantino films are all about ripping off and reliving the finer moments of film genre movements, so you easily know what to expect. He'll dive into Godard's French New Wave approach, some Kurisawa samurai, exploitation, blaxploitation, noir, heist, and everything else pretentious-film-nerd-praised. With "Inglourious Basterds", he found the most passionate outlet for his film love and to show off his film knowledge. It's kind of like he decided to borrow from Giuseppe Tornatore's 1988 Italian masterpiece "Cinema Paradiso", as Shosanna (the Jewish escapee) later in the film inherits a Cinema Theatre and conjures a plan to trap a bunch of important Nazi figures (including Hitler himself) to *SEMI-SPOILER* set them on fire with fast-burning 35 mm film nitrate reels *END SEMI-SPOILER*. The pacing of the entire film follows closely to "Pulp Fiction" and "Kill Bill" with its slow-burning, well-educated dialogue of obscure referencing erupting into rashly brief moments of penetrating violence in reward to the audience's building suspense.'Inglourious Basterds' is as perfect as it gets in the world of Quentin Tarantino, and my only complaint is Eli Roth's terrible acting, in which case, he should just stick to directing fun horror films
Can you honestly say that Hostel is a "fun" horror film? I felt like I was being tortured watching it.
RD1973
08-25-09, 12:51 AM
I finally saw this movie today. I thought it was very good, but not a masterpiece. I give it 4/5 stars.
While the performances and dialogue were great, there were a couple of flaws. First of all, only about a third of the movie is about the basterds. Maybe, I'll get over this eventually. But it felt really odd the way they were off-screen for such long stretches. Secondly, when they were on screen they didn't do all that much other than talk. Also, the pacing did seem a bit off. Eventhough the dialogue was downright mesmerizing, scenes went on way beyond the point where they should have ended. My last gripe is that there were too many scenes where the film stops cold so that the characters can discuss some film/actor/director. Visual and musical homages are great because they instantly get across why the original sources were so great. But when they start talking about other filmmakers, etc. my eyes glaze over (this is pretty much what ruined Deathproof for me).
Still, I really enjoyed the movie because of the performances. Pitt, Kruger, Laurent, Schweiger and Fassbender were great, and Waltz was phenomenal. And I almost let out a cheer when the David Bowie song came on. That was totally unexpected. After a summer of predictable bullshit, I had almost forgotten what an unexpected surprise felt like.
Despite the flaws, this is still the second-best movie of the summer, behind District 9.
I would rate Tarantino's movies as follows:
1. Pulp Fiction
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1
3. Kill Bill Vol. 2
4. Reservoir Dogs
5. Inglourious Basterds
6. Jackie Brown
7. Deathproof
RD1973
08-25-09, 12:58 AM
I finally saw this movie today. I thought it was very good, but not a masterpiece. I give it 4/5 stars.
While the performances and dialogue were great, there were a couple of flaws. First of all, only about a third of the movie is about the basterds. Maybe, I'll get over this eventually. But it felt really odd the way they were off-screen for such long stretches. Secondly, when they were on screen they didn't do all that much other than talk. Also, the pacing did seem a bit off. Eventhough the dialogue was downright mesmerizing, scenes went on way beyond the point where they should have ended. My last gripe is that there were too many scenes where the film stops cold so that the characters can discuss some film/actor/director. Visual and musical homages are great because they instantly get across why the original sources were so great. But when they start talking about other filmmakers, etc. my eyes glaze over (this is pretty much what ruined Deathproof for me).
Still, I really enjoyed the movie because of the performances. Pitt, Kruger, Laurent, Schweiger and Fassbender were great, and Waltz was phenomenal. And I almost let out a cheer when the David Bowie song came on. That was totally unexpected. After a summer of predictable bullshit, I had almost forgotten what an unexpected surprise felt like.
Despite the flaws, this is still the second-best movie of the summer, behind District 9.
I would rate Tarantino's movies as follows:
1. Pulp Fiction
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1
3. Kill Bill Vol. 2
4. Reservoir Dogs
5. Inglourious Basterds
6. Jackie Brown
7. Deathproof
RD1973
08-25-09, 01:02 AM
I'm afraid to watch "Cat People" again. Haven't seen it since the mid-80's and I loved it so much back then. Just know it will feel dated. But what a cool production design and cinematography.
Back to "Basterds". And I didn't see this talked about anywhere in this thread. If I overlooked it, my apologies. But were the different fonts during the opening credits the same as the other Tarantino films? One set looked like "Pulp Fiction".
I came straight home today after watching Inglourious Basterds and put Cat People on my queue. I haven't seen it in decades, but I remember the scenes with the leopards in the tree being really surreal.
RD1973
08-25-09, 01:12 AM
Overheard while leaving the theater:
"Wow, I had no idea that's how Hitler died."
The guy had to be in his 30's.
:doh:
While I really enjoyed the movie, I can't help but wonder how much damage the ending is going to cause.
I had a coworker who was an EDUCATION major and thought Saddam Hussein was the leader of the Nazis and Nagasaki is a drink. Let's just hope she doesn't see this movie.
toddly6666
08-25-09, 02:34 AM
I just watched Jackie Brown after many years - it's still pretty boring. I'm just not into Elmore Leanord at all. Bridget Fonda is still damn hot in it!
1. Pulp Fiction
2. Inglorious Basterds
3. Kill Bill 1
4. Kill Bill 2
5. Reservoir Dogs
6. Jackie Brown
7. Death Proof
LeeVing
08-25-09, 05:46 AM
great flick.
sucks Sam Levine's character only has 1 line and then disappears...still don't know what the hell happened to him.
I don't think Roth did that bad a job, and I'm not a fan of his movies.
I had to come home and put on my 7" of >>>>http://www.discogs.com/image/R-150-573849-1174816415.jpeg
Cat People is the b-side
Hokeyboy
08-25-09, 08:09 AM
I just watched Jackie Brown after many years - it's still pretty boring. I'm just not into Elmore Leanord at all. Bridget Fonda is still damn hot in it!
1. Pulp Fiction
2. Inglorious Basterds
3. Kill Bill 1
4. Kill Bill 2
5. Reservoir Dogs
6. Jackie Brown
7. Death Proof
To each their own. I feel Jackie Brown is Quentin Tarantino's masterpiece: his strongest, most assured and mature work. It doesn't rely in pop culture references, smirky dialogue, and explosive action scenes, but the inherent strength of its story, characters, and performances. It's an amazing movie (and IMHO there's not a boring moment in its entire running time).
1. Jackie Brown
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Inglourious Basterds
4. Reservoir Dogs
5. Kill Bil Vol. 1
6. Kill Bill Vol. 2
7. Death Proof
RichC2
08-25-09, 08:48 AM
I enjoyed the movie a great deal, the only part that really dragged for me was the pub sequence and I wasn't a huge fan of the drastic style change for the final chapter concerning Shosanna -- I know it's a throwback/homage to a couple things (though my film history sucks) but it just didn't work for me (quite frankly, it came off as cheesy). that aside? Excellently paced and produced. I had no issue with Eli Roth's acting and while the Mike Myers cameo kind of took me out of the movie, it neither annoyed nor bored me. The first chapter/vignette proved especially tense as the end of the chapter neared. One of the shortest 2.5 hour movies I've seen.
**** out of ****
1. Kill Bill Vol 2 (what can I say, I found it really damn satisfying)
2. Pulp Fiction
***1/2 out of ****
3. Inglourious Basterds
4. Reservoir Dogs
*** out of ****
5. Kill Bill Vol 1
6. Death Proof (I was a fan of the build up, reasoning and pay offs, and while not the most rewatchable, was certainly entertained by it.)
7. Jackie Brown
** out of ****
8. Four Rooms (had to find something to put at the bottom)
The Bus
08-25-09, 08:49 AM
It's an amazing movie (and IMHO there's not a boring moment in its entire running time).
Except the 40+ minutes* devoted to the camera on Jackie's or Max's face as they are driving. Thrilling.
* This is how it seemed to me when I first saw it. The movie grew on me on subsequent viewings.
toddly6666
08-25-09, 10:36 AM
To each their own. I feel Jackie Brown is Quentin Tarantino's masterpiece: his strongest, most assured and mature work. It doesn't rely in pop culture references, smirky dialogue, and explosive action scenes, but the inherent strength of its story, characters, and performances. It's an amazing movie (and IMHO there's not a boring moment in its entire running time).
Well, I'm assuming you would prefer if Tarantino adapted more novels for future films?
Jackie Brown is definitely his most natural "1970s" movie. I remember how Robert Forster got some more acting roles after Jackie Brown. I hope the same will happen with Christoph Waltz from Basterds.
Hokeyboy
08-25-09, 10:39 AM
Well, I'm assuming you would prefer if Tarantino adapted more novels for future films?
Jackie Brown is definitely his most natural "1970s" movie. I remember how Robert Forster got some more acting roles after Jackie Brown. I hope the same will happen with Christoph Waltz from Basterds.
I'm not necessarily saying I prefer if Tarantino adapts novels, rather than working from his original scripts. I'm just saying that, as far as his movies are concerned, Jackie Brown is both my personal favorite and what I feel is his strongest work as a filmmaker.
And I think Waltz is guaranteed a metric ton of work after his bravura performance in IB.
fumanstan
08-25-09, 11:53 AM
My Tarantino list would probably be -
1 - Pulp Fiction
2 - Kill Bill Vol 1
3 - Reservoir Dogs
4 - Inglorious Basterds
5 - Kill Bill Vol 2
6 - Jackie Brown
7 - Death Proof
One of these days i'll need to actually watch Death Proof again and see if it gets any better. I blind bought it on DVD and ... ugh. I'm actually itching to see Basterds again even though I didn't think it was great, just good, which is a good sign for me.
hapgilmore
08-25-09, 12:21 PM
1. Pulp Fiction
2. Reservoir Dogs
3. Jackie Brown
4. Kill Bill Vol. 2
5. Inglourious Basterds
6. Kill Bill Vol. 1
7. Death Proof
This is my order (4 and 5 are pretty much a tie). Death Proof is a distant 7th.
AnonomusBob15
08-25-09, 12:40 PM
1. Pulp Fiction
2. Jackie Brown
3. Inglourious Basterds
4. Reservoir Dogs
5. Kill Bil Vol. 1
6. Kill Bill Vol. 2
7. Death Proof
Loved it. I haven't cared for a Tarantino film since Jackie Brown, and this one definitely deserves to be up there with that and Pulp Fiction.
I had a constant smile on my face during Brad Pitt's scenes. He totally owned that role, and it's good to see him do some good acting again. If that makes sense.
LickTheABCs
08-25-09, 01:07 PM
1. Jackie Brown
2. Inglourious Basterds
3. Pulp Fiction
4. Kill Bill Vol. 1
5. Kill Bill Vol. 2
6. Reservoir Dogs
7. Death Proof
and I totally loved Death Proof, so yeah..
seymouru
08-25-09, 01:24 PM
I've noticed that in interviews QT has refused to explain the misspelling in the title, calling it an "artistic flourish." But there was a shot in the film that fully explains it:
The words "Inglourious Basterds" were seen in a brief shot (< 1 second), scrawled on the rifle of one of the Basterds (who were apparently not champion spellers :)).I loved the clip from Hitchcock's Sabotage (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028212/) (1936), which foreshadowed the ending. Also, be sure to check out QT's interview with Charlie Rose (http://charlierose.http.internapcdn.net/charlierose/082109CRS.wmv), broadcast on 08/21/09.
P.S. As long as we're making lists, here's mine:
1. Inglourious Basterds (no contest)
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Death Proof (the lap dance scene raises it several notches :D)
4. Jackie Brown
5. Reservoir Dogs
6. Kill Bill Vol. 1
7. Kill Bill Vol. 2
Tarantino
08-25-09, 01:30 PM
I guess I'll throw in my QT film rankings as well...
Pulp Fiction
Inglourious Basterds
Reservoir Dogs
Kill Bill Vol. 1
Kill Bill Vol. 2
Jackie Brown
Death Proof
Jack Straw
08-25-09, 02:43 PM
So far, over 87+% of respondents have given this movie 4 stars or above. Pretty impressive.
Solid Snake PAC
08-25-09, 02:45 PM
Yeah, it is. Considering that an homage type film like this could easily put off people.
Jack Straw
08-25-09, 02:54 PM
I watched the Charlie Rose interview of QT, and he said that Eli Roth referred to IB as "kosher porn" (i.e. jews killing nazis), which drew a laugh from everyone.
Suprmallet
08-25-09, 03:15 PM
At this point, having seen Inglourious Basterds three times in less than a week, and not having seen Jackie Brown for a few months, this is my ranking:
1. Inglourious Basterds
2. Jackie Brown
3. Pulp Fiction
4. Kill Bill 1 & 2
5. Death Proof
6. Reservoir Dogs
seymouru
08-25-09, 03:17 PM
At this point, having seen Inglourious Basterds three times in less than a week,I'm envious! ;)
ChineseCheckers
08-25-09, 07:06 PM
Just saw this tonight. I think its a very good movie and borderline great but wouldn't call it a masterpiece. I loved how the movie built up the suspense in both the opening and basement/bar scene. I enjoyed Brad Pitt's performance but was completely enthralled by both Christopher Waltz and Melanie Laurent's characters. After seeing this movie, I wish more mainstream movies had actors/actresses that primarily act from different countries.
I was a little disappointed about not seeing more of the basterds doing their ambushes. Also, for some reason I didn't like the ending so much. Maybe I missed it the first time, but what was the reason for Waltz's character to become a traiter? Were the German's already losing the war to the point that people were surrendering?
I also didn't quite like how this movie changed the course of history. I don't mind taking liberties with history (ie. Tom Hanks meeting Nixon and such in Forrest Gump) but to change it in a major way as killing Hitler and the entire top officials of the SS and in turn stopping the war just turned me off.
Also not a criticism but more of a peculiar note was the subtitles at the beginning. In particular when the father dairy farmer said "Merci" it was first subtitled as Merci. But later on in the scene "Merci" was said again but the subtitle read "Thank you." That just seemed odd to me. Anyone know why this was done?
In the end I still liked the movie.
Blu Man
08-25-09, 07:12 PM
Loved it. The second best movie of the year IMO. Everyone in the theater seemed to enjoy it just as much as me. Tarantino is definetly one of the best film makers working today.
Sanjuro37
08-25-09, 07:27 PM
1. Pulp Fiction
2. Inglourious Basterds
3. Jackie Brown
- True Romance (if you're willing to count it)
4. Kill Bill Vol. 2
5. Kill Bill Vol. 1
6. Death Proof (Grindhouse cut)
7. Reservoir Dogs
8. Death Proof (extended version)
visitor Q
08-25-09, 07:35 PM
Maybe I missed it the first time, but what was the reason for Waltz's character to become a traiter?
I believe he chose this path because it was his chance to become a part of the overall history of the fall of the third Reich, since at the time he was aware that there were still Basterds in the cinema house with explosives ready to take out the leadership. Certain parts of the conversation between Pitt's and Waltz's characters escapes me so I could be mistaken.
visitor Q
08-25-09, 07:42 PM
My initial (which is never a good thing for me) response on this film is a 3/5. I felt that certain scenes - bar - took too long for the build up and I was disappointed with the Basterd's lack of screen. Seemed as if the script could have achieved the same effect less a half hour or so.
The characters, moments of true suspense, camera work (ex: Shoshana's preparation), settings, shocking violence and story were all very good.
I'm not sure about re-watchability but I have a feeling that the film will definitely grow on me after another couple of rounds.
Draven
08-25-09, 07:51 PM
Also not a criticism but more of a peculiar note was the subtitles at the beginning. In particular when the father dairy farmer said "Merci" it was first subtitled as Merci. But later on in the scene "Merci" was said again but the subtitle read "Thank you." That just seemed odd to me. Anyone know why this was done?
I meant to mention that as well - it actually happened throughout the movie. Basically anytime someone said Merci or Oui, the subtitles either put up the English or the French, no rhyme or reason...sometimes in the same scene. It was very distracting.
Superboy
08-25-09, 08:26 PM
I was a little disappointed about not seeing more of the basterds doing their ambushes. Also, for some reason I didn't like the ending so much. Maybe I missed it the first time, but what was the reason for Waltz's character to become a traiter? Were the German's already losing the war to the point that people were surrendering?
It was 1944, close to losing. We can assume that Paris is about to be invaded.
slop101
08-25-09, 08:53 PM
It was 1944, close to losing. We can assume that Paris is about to be invaded.They even had a scene where they mentioned how the Allies already had the coast.
Superboy
08-25-09, 09:20 PM
I didn't hate this movie, but I didn't like it either. I DID like certain scenes though. I just didn't like the movie as a whole.
By far my favorite scene was in the tavern.
When Deiter Hellstrom said "oh, i'm afraid you're going to have to shoot them too. Looks like he's going to grow up without a father", I instantly thought of this line:
"It was I who allowed the rebels to know the location of our secret base. It is quite safe from your pitiful band. An entire legion awaits them on the Endor moon. Oh, i'm afraid the shield generator will still be active when your friend arrive."
Even the delivery was the same.
RD1973
08-25-09, 10:52 PM
Just saw this tonight. I think its a very good movie and borderline great but wouldn't call it a masterpiece. I loved how the movie built up the suspense in both the opening and basement/bar scene. I enjoyed Brad Pitt's performance but was completely enthralled by both Christopher Waltz and Melanie Laurent's characters. After seeing this movie, I wish more mainstream movies had actors/actresses that primarily act from different countries.
I was a little disappointed about not seeing more of the basterds doing their ambushes. Also, for some reason I didn't like the ending so much. Maybe I missed it the first time, but what was the reason for Waltz's character to become a traiter? Were the German's already losing the war to the point that people were surrendering?
I also didn't quite like how this movie changed the course of history. I don't mind taking liberties with history (ie. Tom Hanks meeting Nixon and such in Forrest Gump) but to change it in a major way as killing Hitler and the entire top officials of the SS and in turn stopping the war just turned me off.
Also not a criticism but more of a peculiar note was the subtitles at the beginning. In particular when the father dairy farmer said "Merci" it was first subtitled as Merci. But later on in the scene "Merci" was said again but the subtitle read "Thank you." That just seemed odd to me. Anyone know why this was done?
In the end I still liked the movie.
I usually like my movies to make sense. But with Quentin Tarantino, the crazier, the better.
The Bus
08-25-09, 11:02 PM
I think if the movie didn't end with Hitler dead it would've seemed more unnatural.
ChineseCheckers
08-25-09, 11:43 PM
I think if the movie didn't end with Hitler dead it would've seemed more unnatural.
how so? or is this statement tongue in cheek?
dhmac
08-26-09, 12:05 AM
6. Death Proof (Grindhouse cut)
8. Death Proof (extended version)
The Grindhouse cut over the extended cut - really?! I think the extended cut improves the movie a great deal. Plus it has the lap-dance scene restored, which automatically makes it better!
dhmac
08-26-09, 12:15 AM
I also didn't quite like how this movie changed the course of history. I don't mind taking liberties with history (ie. Tom Hanks meeting Nixon and such in Forrest Gump) but to change it in a major way as killing Hitler and the entire top officials of the SS and in turn stopping the war just turned me off.
I guess Tarantino's view is that it's all fiction, so why not go all the way and kill Hitler!
And this just throws the movie in the alternate WWII history realm of fiction, with works like Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle and Robert Harris' Fatherland (which was also made into a movie), both of which are set in a world in which Nazi Germany won WWII.
ChineseCheckers
08-26-09, 12:41 AM
I guess Tarantino's view is that it's all fiction, so why not go all the way and kill Hitler!
And this just throws the movie in the alternate WWII history realm of fiction, with works like Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle and Robert Harris' Fatherland (which was also made into a movie), both of which are set in a world in which Nazi Germany won WWII.
but with those novels, you're expecting a deviation from history. I guess going into this movie, I was expecting something that still followed the general history. Ijust wished that i knew this was sort of in an alternate universe
Solid Snake PAC
08-26-09, 01:02 AM
Just saw this tonight. I think its a very good movie and borderline great but wouldn't call it a masterpiece. I loved how the movie built up the suspense in both the opening and basement/bar scene. I enjoyed Brad Pitt's performance but was completely enthralled by both Christopher Waltz and Melanie Laurent's characters. After seeing this movie, I wish more mainstream movies had actors/actresses that primarily act from different countries.
I was a little disappointed about not seeing more of the basterds doing their ambushes. Also, for some reason I didn't like the ending so much. Maybe I missed it the first time, but what was the reason for Waltz's character to become a traiter? Were the German's already losing the war to the point that people were surrendering?
I also didn't quite like how this movie changed the course of history. I don't mind taking liberties with history (ie. Tom Hanks meeting Nixon and such in Forrest Gump) but to change it in a major way as killing Hitler and the entire top officials of the SS and in turn stopping the war just turned me off.
The first chapter is called "Once Upon A Time in Nazi Occupied France" that should automatically hit that it's going to be a non realistic film. At it's extreme it can be called a WWII fairy tale or better yet a Quentin Tarantino fairy tale. Also...this film is clearly a propaganda film, in the amusing sense. Why not change how the war ended?
My order of best Tarantino films:
1. Inglourious Basterds
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Jackie Brown (is this one not as appreciated cuz of the '70s black vibe or what?)
4. Reservoir Dogs
5. Kill Bill (I like this one the most behind IB but it's really a film you either love or hate if you know wtf it's referencing in quality though it's right here)
6. Deathproof (either cut, I enjoy them both but I like the Grindhouse theatrical when it's joined with Planet Terror)
NEVER seen Four rooms
Regardless of order in quality form...I LOVE all his films. None of them are bad to me. I think they're great homage films and just a lot of fun. Tarantino for sure would fit real well with 1970s american cinema if he were directing at that time.
ChineseCheckers
08-26-09, 02:14 AM
The first chapter is called "Once Upon A Time in Nazi Occupied France" that should automatically hit that it's going to be a non realistic film.
touche. Forgot about that. Although at the time when I saw the title of the first chapter, I just thought that it meant that it was just an indeterminate time in Nazi occupied France. But I suppose the title meant just what you are implying.
Thought of another thing. Was it explained how BJ Novak's character was captured? It seemed like he was in the beginning when the Basterds were getting new soldiers but then he disappeard until the last quarter of the movie with him being captured.
Mondo Kane
08-26-09, 03:35 AM
Thought of another thing. Was it explained how BJ Novak's character was captured? It seemed like he was in the beginning when the Basterds were getting new soldiers but then he disappeard until the last quarter of the movie with him being captured.
At first, I thought he got involved in a shoot-out with the Germans and was captured (While the other Basterds, like Samm Levine as pictured below, went out fighting)
http://i25.tinypic.com/dvsge8.jpg
This was all initially supposed to be a deleted scene to me, but after watching the movie again, Sam's firing frenzy appears to take place in the jail that's holding Hugo (The walls are the same as the pic)
At the moment, it's a mystery.
Snowmaker
08-26-09, 08:12 AM
Saw it yesterday. Great movie! A few scenes could have been trimmed a bit (the bar scene with the card game for one). The only thing that kind of annoyed me was the use of subtitles in the same language that is being spoken on screen. "Oui" for one. Sure I know what it means, but why subtitle it with the very same thing being said?
And of course Quintin was able to work in one foot fetish scene.
FantasticVSDoom
08-26-09, 08:29 AM
The subtitles I think are just meant as a tounge in cheek joke... We know what both the words mean, so just throw them in to see if anyone is paying attention.
Sanjuro37
08-26-09, 08:41 AM
3. Jackie Brown (is this one not as appreciated cuz of the '70s black vibe or what?)
I think it's because it's the least like his other films, but I think it's brilliant. When Shaft was remade, Armond White (who is an IRL troll but occasionally makes some great points), noted that he'd rather have seen Richard Roundtree in the role and have the film not be a cheap remake and cash-grab at the nostalgia of blaxploitation but instead a rumination on what such characters would make of the world 30 years later. That's pretty much what I see in Jackie Brown: it's Pam Grier indirectly reprising her biggest roles and processing them though middle age and a changed world. Technically and lyrically, it's Tarantino's most mature work, and a great deal of the reason I loved Basterds so much is that it combined the freewheeling New Wave revelry of Pulp Fiction with the maturity and subtle film statement of JB. My top three QT is pretty much interchangeable.
macnorton
08-26-09, 09:21 AM
Saw this last night...enjoyed the fuck out of it. And this was my first QT film on the big screen (I have seen everything else on some sort of video).
A few observations I made (in no specific order):
- The A.D.D. audience I was with, seemed to actually dig the subtitles. That was a shock.
- The trailer of film gave a few members of the audience a different impression. The voiced their displeasure at the end. One person behind me noted that Brad Pitt was barely in it.
- My father's complaint and to some degree mine, why was there no mention to Shosanna's family at some point later in the film?
- The opening sequence was not met with any gasps in the crowd I was in. But when Bridget von Hammersmark was killed, the crowd voiced their displeasure. I found this to be rather interesting.
- The projector cut out (how ironic) during the bar sequence. Thankfully, the scene right after it came back on, explained the other. Funniest line from the crowd, "You bastards fix the Basterds".
- Christoph Waltz should be a household name after this film.
- The casting was fantastic. QT knows his craft and this is no exception.
- I read a few reviews prior to the film about Eli Roth. For such a big stink made out of him being in it, he has a grand total of 15 mins of screen time. And he is actually pretty funny when he is in.
- For the first time in a long time, I got some kick ass trailers. The Wolfman looks phenomenal.
Snowmaker
08-26-09, 10:09 AM
- For the first time in a long time, I got some kick ass trailers. The Wolfman looks phenomenal.
Really? We ended up with Sorority Row, Gamer, and I think one other crap one I can't even remember.
Solid Snake PAC
08-26-09, 10:11 AM
Saw this last night...enjoyed the fuck out of it. And this was my first QT film on the big screen (I have seen everything else on some sort of video).
A few observations I made (in no specific order):
- The A.D.D. audience I was with, seemed to actually dig the subtitles. That was a shock.
- The trailer of film gave a few members of the audience a different impression. The voiced their displeasure at the end. One person behind me noted that Brad Pitt was barely in it.
- My father's complaint and to some degree mine, why was there no mention to Shosanna's family at some point later in the film?
- The opening sequence was not met with any gasps in the crowd I was in. But when Bridget von Hammersmark was killed, the crowd voiced their displeasure. I found this to be rather interesting.
- The projector cut out (how ironic) during the bar sequence. Thankfully, the scene right after it came back on, explained the other. Funniest line from the crowd, "You bastards fix the Basterds".
- Christoph Waltz should be a household name after this film.
- The casting was fantastic. QT knows his craft and this is no exception.
- I read a few reviews prior to the film about Eli Roth. For such a big stink made out of him being in it, he has a grand total of 15 mins of screen time. And he is actually pretty funny when he is in.
- For the first time in a long time, I got some kick ass trailers. The Wolfman looks phenomenal.
Yeah, I was amazed at how my crowd accepted the subtitles too. I was amazed at the group of people I brought were fine with it. Granted I'm sure one girl didn't like all the subtitles but everybody else was cool with it
Why would there need to be? My crowd was fine with it, it was kinda expected considering that's what the Nazis did at times. Yeah, I think the Von Hammersmark scene got the most reaction over the beginning cuz it's a man choking a woman. She was doing some intense acting in there for sure. First it's Landa being all calm and serious and BAM...crazy shit happens there.
I do hope Waltz becomes more well known. Certainly a man used well by QT. I'd like to see what he does next and how it ranks next to Landa, will it be a better role or different enough where one can appreciate it? Cuz that's a fucking hard character to top
I've never seen a Roth film, just not my cup of tea really. I never understood all the hate for him and his acting. He was fine in Death Proof, nothing special. I loved him in this though. The whole accent and buildup of the character. He was my second favorite of the basterds. 1st being Hugo Stiglitz who was just so fucking hilarious. The man was not one to fuck about with his mission and time. Also...his name intro got a laugh too. Oh...Hugo.....
Ash Ketchum
08-26-09, 10:20 AM
I think it's because it's the least like his other films, but I think it's brilliant. When Shaft was remade, Armond White (who is an IRL troll but occasionally makes some great points), noted that he'd rather have seen Richard Roundtree in the role and have the film not be a cheap remake and cash-grab at the nostalgia of blaxploitation but instead a rumination on what such characters would make of the world 30 years later. That's pretty much what I see in Jackie Brown: it's Pam Grier indirectly reprising her biggest roles and processing them though middle age and a changed world. Technically and lyrically, it's Tarantino's most mature work, and a great deal of the reason I loved Basterds so much is that it combined the freewheeling New Wave revelry of Pulp Fiction with the maturity and subtle film statement of JB. My top three QT is pretty much interchangeable.
Nice to see Armond White quoted favorably, something pretty uncommon on the web.
RichC2
08-26-09, 10:33 AM
Really? We ended up with Sorority Row, Gamer, and I think one other crap one I can't even remember.
We showed up as the Avatar trailer was on, and the movie pretty much started after that.
Really? We ended up with Sorority Row, Gamer, and I think one other crap one I can't even remember.
I also got:
Armored (Matt Dillion and armored truck heist, looks decent)
Law Abiding Citizen (Jaime Foxx and Gerard Butler in a pyschological piece, looks amazing!)
Christmas Carol (Not my cup of tea, but looks like it might be fun)
Halloween II (Has been making the rounds on TV, but works much better on the big screen)
macnorton
08-26-09, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I was amazed at how my crowd accepted the subtitles too. I was amazed at the group of people I brought were fine with it. Granted I'm sure one girl didn't like all the subtitles but everybody else was cool with it
Why would there need to be? My crowd was fine with it, it was kinda expected considering that's what the Nazis did at times. Yeah, I think the Von Hammersmark scene got the most reaction over the beginning cuz it's a man choking a woman. She was doing some intense acting in there for sure. First it's Landa being all calm and serious and BAM...crazy shit happens there.
I do hope Waltz becomes more well known. Certainly a man used well by QT. I'd like to see what he does next and how it ranks next to Landa, will it be a better role or different enough where one can appreciate it? Cuz that's a fucking hard character to top
I've never seen a Roth film, just not my cup of tea really. I never understood all the hate for him and his acting. He was fine in Death Proof, nothing special. I loved him in this though. The whole accent and buildup of the character. He was my second favorite of the basterds. 1st being Hugo Stiglitz who was just so fucking hilarious. The man was not one to fuck about with his mission and time. Also...his name intro got a laugh too. Oh...Hugo.....
Interesting...my co-worker thinks because it is QT that is why subtitles were OK. I think there is some validity to that.
Waltz is the film. I loved his character and his acting...an excellent job.
I too never got the Eli Roth hate. I have seen his films and I loved them (really enjoyed the Hostel series more so than Cabin Fever). But I have no idea why so much venom is spit on this guy...it really doesn't make sense. But I like his stuff and that is all I care about. And I thought Roth played the typical Bostonian to the letter. And the bit with him being Italian was funny as well.
zombeaner
08-26-09, 11:51 AM
I also got:
Armored (Matt Dillion and armored truck heist, looks decent)
Law Abiding Citizen (Jaime Foxx and Gerard Butler in a pyschological piece, looks amazing!)
Christmas Carol (Not my cup of tea, but looks like it might be fun)
Halloween II (Has been making the rounds on TV, but works much better on the big screen)
I walked in halfway through trailers and the ones I saw were Halloween II (looks more like House of 1000 Corpses Part 9), and The Wolf Man, which looks like a lot of fun.
JMcCraw
08-26-09, 01:09 PM
I really enjoyed the film but the experience was nearly ruined by the presentation. I saw the film in a theater that is normally 100% digital but IB was shown on 35mm - is this something Tarantino requested? I know he loves film over digital but if he saw what I did he might change his mind.
There was maybe one reel that did not have big green vertical scratches running through the entirety. At first I thought this might be intentional but dismissed the idea as the reels changed with jarring effect and I knew the print had been damaged. The sound was also very muffled with the first 5 minutes of dialogue barely intelligible - someone complained and the volume was turned up which just added a loud hiss and the sound remained muffled.
Great film, terrible presentation, I will eagerly anticipate the Blu-Ray and maybe try to find another theater to see if I have a better experience.
RichC2
08-26-09, 01:34 PM
Did you complain after the fact?
And I'm pretty sure Tarantino had nothing to do with it, IB was shown in DLP at every theater in my city.
I like that better than any of the "official" ones they used.
rabbit77
08-26-09, 02:52 PM
Did you complain after the fact?
And I'm pretty sure Tarantino had nothing to do with it, IB was shown in DLP at every theater in my city.
I saw it in Sony 4K. Damn fine presentation shown by my local Muvico.
Suprmallet
08-26-09, 04:23 PM
Nice to see Armond White quoted favorably, something pretty uncommon on the web.
Given that the guy is pretty close to insane, and only makes a good point once in a blue moon, I don't see why he would be mentioned favorably often. Even Ebert wrote an article called "In Defense of Armond White" where he defended White's opinion on District 9, then the next day changed it to "Not In Defense of Armond White" and explained that while he still felt his points about D9 were valid, Ebert looked deeper into White's body of criticism and found that he couldn't support him.
I love this poster! Has a very Indiana Jones vibe to it.
godzilla rules
08-26-09, 08:30 PM
I hated this movie. Worst movie of the year so far. Just a really boring movie.
LickTheABCs
08-26-09, 09:17 PM
I hated this movie. Worst movie of the year so far. Just a really boring movie.
yet, you liked the remake of Halloween..
riotinmyskull
08-26-09, 09:39 PM
yet, you liked the remake of Halloween..
he also hated watchmen and observe and report...which along with inglourious basterds make up 3 of my top 5 for the year so far.
mdc3000
08-26-09, 11:15 PM
Is that poster a Struzan or a good looking knockoff?
seymouru
08-27-09, 12:13 AM
An interview with the illustrator, James Goodridge, is on posterwire.com.
Daytripper
08-27-09, 12:14 AM
[QUOTE=RichC2;9669857]We showed up as the Avatar trailer was on, and the movie pretty much started after that.
Another cool poster (snip)
Like everything but the girl running for her life in the background. I know it's important to the story and film. It just doesn't do it for me in the poster. Everything else is beautiful.
I want to respond to all the negative comments about Eli Roth in this thread, give the guy a break. He's not an actor, nor has he ever claimed to be. And he most certainly didn't bring the film down. He wasn't in it enough. He was serviceable at best for what he had to do. Also, I just caught him on "Chelsea Lately" and I like him even more. He's a great guy!
And last, to Gozilla Rules.....you need to see more movies. Clearly.
Tarantino
08-27-09, 01:03 AM
he also hated watchmen and observe and report...which along with inglourious basterds make up 3 of my top 5 for the year so far.
I also hated Watchmen and Observe and Report. O&R is actually the worst movie I've seen all year.
droidguy1119
08-27-09, 01:58 AM
It took me awhile to post a review, but I did it a few days ago even though I saw it at midnight on Thursday. Here's a link: http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/38294/inglourious-basterds/
Additionally, here's my ranking of Tarantino's previous movies.
1. Pulp Fiction (1994)/Jackie Brown (1997)
I go back and forth on these. Either way, though, Jackie Brown is criminally underrated. It's Tarantino's most mature work, and it expertly blends both his trademark style and a set of more genuine characters. Unlike Marsellus Wallace or Bill, I believe that there are Ordell Robbies in the world. Robert Forster is also amazing, and even though their parts are extremely limited, it represents some of the last respectable work Robert De Niro and Michael Keaton have done.
2. Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof (2007) [Extended and Unrated]
Also, in my opinion, criminally underrated, although I understand the appeal of the movie is lost on people. Maybe people just find the characters unlikable, but I happen to enjoy listening to them talk, because it's all clever, sharply-observed exposition or tension-building chatter, and like he does with most of his actors, he draws out one of Kurt Russell's best performances.
3. Inglourious Basterds (2009)
Just as good at the tension-building and exposition, but the dialogue rarely has the full flair of Tarantino's usual lines. The third act is gangbusters though.
4. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (2003)/Kill Bill Vol. 2 (2004)
I like Kill Bill Vol. 1. Perhaps the thing holding me back from loving it is that I also only like Uma Thurman instead of loving her. I'm not saying she's bad in this, I just mean in general, as an actress. Aside from her, the movie is visually stunning and a violent blast all the way through. I also like Kill Bill Vol. 2, but not as much as Vol. 1. Not because of the lacking action/slower pace, mind you (I did just rank Inglourious Basterds, Death Proof and Jackie Brown above it, didn't I?), but I think because the Budd material isn't that interesting to me (although the grave thing is cool), nor is Michael Parks as Esteban, which has gotta be at least 45 or more minutes of the movie. If only, somehow, the movie was just Pai Mei, Elle vs. The Bride, and David Carradine talking for two hours, it might have been my favorite.
5. Reservoir Dogs (1992)
Count me as someone who has never been that impressed by Tarantino's debut feature. I like it, but I've never gotten much of a buzz from it, as if it was only running on 6 cylinders instead of 8. Frankly, if Tim Roth and Harvey Keitel weren't in it and elevating the entire production -- sorry, Steve -- I don't know if I'd have liked it at all.
His Four Rooms segment is pretty good, although I'd consider it fairly non-essential, especially given that you would presumably have to sit through the first two segments of the movie to get to it and Rodriguez's. I also really enjoyed both True Romance and From Dusk Till Dawn (which we need on Blu-Ray, stat).
riotinmyskull
08-27-09, 04:13 AM
I also hated Watchmen and Observe and Report. O&R is actually the worst movie I've seen all year.
i'm already fully aware we have different tastes.
Boba Fett
08-27-09, 04:36 AM
For interested parties, Adam Carolla snagged Christoph Waltz for his podcast. It's around a 45 minute segment and after the gushing is over from Carolla, Waltz gets to really be open and candid about things. His take on why Death Proof is so great is spot on with my own opinion.
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