The Anime talk wasn't really a big deal to me since it can lead to some good threads. But now a sub forum about political films??? Did anyone actually ask for this? Or is this just a way to push more advertisements on here? It seems like it'll wind up as a dead sub-forum.
JasonF
08-18-09, 10:07 PM
Did anyone actually ask for this?
Iron Weed Film Club, I'd guess.
big whoppa
08-18-09, 10:11 PM
Good question, OP. A sub forum for cat lovers or peanut butter lovers makes just about enough sense.
Numanoid
08-18-09, 10:15 PM
That graphic really distorts things.
The Bus
08-18-09, 10:24 PM
If this message is out of line, please delete it. I don't mean it as an insult.
I see this as a lose-lose. No one asked for a Political Film Forum. There's no discussion of political films in Politics or in the Movie Forum. Creating a subforum is not going to create discussion. If anything, it's going to draw attention to how empty the subforum is.
How does this help Iron Weed Film Club? They are sponsoring an area of the site no one even looks at. They become a punch line, like Book Talk or Frontier(s).
This helps IB, of course, at least in the short run. But nothing of value (IMHO) is being provided to the audience or to the client.
The Bus
08-18-09, 10:28 PM
Lastly, a Potemkin Village is an overly elaborated set of empty community discussion areas or other collaborative spaces, created in anticipation of a thriving population rather than grown organically in response to their needs.
That's what was just created: http://asis.org/Bulletin/Aug-09/AugSep09_Crumlish.html
dx23
08-18-09, 11:13 PM
So members have been asking for a Blu-Ray bargains forum for more than a year (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/forum-feedback-support/533662-we-need-blu-ray-bargains-forum.html), but instead we get a Political Film sub-forum that no one asked for and that sticks out like sore thumb on the Otter forum? This sponsorship crap is really getting out of hand.
Ranger
08-18-09, 11:19 PM
Didn't we have an anime forum before they brought it back?
Whatever happened to the horror film (dvd stalk?) forum? Just a seasonal thing?
Chad
08-18-09, 11:20 PM
What Political Film forum? -screwy-
Besides, I'm almost certain they're busy finalizing all the last-minute preparations on that Health/Fitness forum (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/forum-feedback-support/413265-request-food-fitness-forum.html) idea I proposed a couple or so years back. I wonder what the hold up is? :hscratch:
Groucho
08-18-09, 11:38 PM
I was going to post a thread to ask the same thing. Who was clamoring for this? Why was it needed? It's not like there were an abundance of political film threads in Movie Talk or Politics. It's a regular head-scratcher.
Rockmjd23
08-18-09, 11:41 PM
Sweet now we can do a Political Film Sheep!
Groucho
08-18-09, 11:46 PM
Sweet now we can do a Political Film Sheep!My answer to every question is Red Dawn.
antennaball
08-18-09, 11:53 PM
Can we at least move it to a sub-forum under Movie Talk? With the graphic and everything, it's really kinda annoying in Otter.
hal9000
08-19-09, 02:13 AM
So members have been asking for a Blu-Ray bargains forum for more than a year (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/forum-feedback-support/533662-we-need-blu-ray-bargains-forum.html), but instead we get a Political Film sub-forum that no one asked for and that sticks out like sore thumb on the Otter forum? This sponsorship crap is really getting out of hand.
Yeah, what the fuck? Seriously! If a certain someone still owned/cared or had any say at all in how this site was run, this BS wouldn't be happening. Instead I have to seek out another site dedicated to Blu Ray cough*HighDef*digest*dot com*cough to get my dedicated Blu Ray bargain fix.
DVDTALK is quickly losing it's focus... look, I had to seek out another website that had a Blu Ray bargain forum. Think of all those people out there looking for Blu-Ray discounts on Google and DVDTALK doesn't even show up in the top 5 searches, save for the thread pleading for a sub forum, what a joke, here's the proof:
http://i28.tinypic.com/4zxjrl.jpg
LOL WHOOPS! guess I should have read the now closed thread asking for a Blu Ray Bargain sub forum... before I went ape-shit:
There will be a Blu-ray Bargains forum. There are some other things that are already in the queue for those who will create it so it will get here as soon as possible.
Feel free to delete my post X.
Suprmallet
08-19-09, 02:44 AM
Funny you should mention Hi Def Digest, because this is at the bottom of their website:
So members have been asking for a Blu-Ray bargains forum for more than a year (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/forum-feedback-support/533662-we-need-blu-ray-bargains-forum.html), but instead we get a Political Film sub-forum that no one asked for and that sticks out like sore thumb on the Otter forum? This sponsorship crap is really getting out of hand.
It is coming...very soon.
The Bus
08-19-09, 09:05 AM
Didn't we have an anime forum before they brought it back?
Whatever happened to the horror film (dvd stalk?) forum? Just a seasonal thing?
It died out and it didn't make any sense: horror films were already being discussed in the movie forum. All it was doing was splintering the main Movie Forum.
Tracer Bullet
08-19-09, 09:14 AM
I don't know what Iron Weed Film Club is, but I can guarantee you that I will never go there.
dx23
08-19-09, 10:44 AM
It died out and it didn't make any sense: horror films were already being discussed in the movie forum. All it was doing was splintering the main Movie Forum.
And that is the same reason why we don't need a political film forum. Political films are rarely discussed here in the movie/DVD forums, so why have it on a separate one?
Deep_lurk
08-19-09, 10:47 AM
You really have to dig around to make any sense of their web site, but I think I have it figured it out-- it is some sort of hybrid of a highly-crippled Netflix and a political group. They rent movies, but only THEIR movies, with THEIR political agenda. No wonder they need to pay to have large ads placed on web sites, because it is an idea too stupid to survive.
http://www.ironweedfilms.com/how_it_works
Bconver
08-19-09, 10:47 AM
We launched the forum as a place to move threads about political films under the stricter rules that are in place in the politics forum. While there isn't a ton of threads around this topic, they do occur and we would like tighter rules in place to ensure the discussions take place civilly. We have been planning this for a while but the timing of the launch was moved up by the desire of Ironweed to sponsor the forum.
We will be launching the Blu-Ray Bargains forum later this week as a sub forum to DVD Bargains. As stated above users have asked for this for some time and we are looking forward to seeing how it does. No sponsorship for now ☺.
The site is growing in traffic and returning audience. To support that growth we need to continue to find new topics to cover both in the review section and in the forum. Beyond Blu-Ray Bargains we are actively discussing other forums to open but have made no other definitive plans. I understand not every new topic will be of interest to everyone but hopefully a smaller group may want to participate.
Brent
DVDTalk
Groucho
08-19-09, 10:49 AM
You may want to put a post up in the Political Films section that explicitly outline those special rules, since until just now I had no idea that they were even in place.
Tracer Bullet
08-19-09, 10:53 AM
We launched the forum as a place to move threads about political films under the stricter rules that are in place in the politics forum. While there isn't a ton of threads around this topic, they do occur and we would like tighter rules in place to ensure the discussions take place civilly. We have been planning this for a while but the timing of the launch was moved up by the desire of Ironweed to sponsor the forum.
What?
Are you sure this wasn't happening in another site IB owns?
There aren't any moved threads in the new Political Film forum.
Bconver
08-19-09, 11:21 AM
You may want to put a post up in the Political Films section that explicitly outline those special rules, since until just now I had no idea that they were even in place.
Thx - I put them up.
Numanoid
08-19-09, 11:40 AM
I have no problem with the concept of the new forum. But could you resize that Iron Weed logo so that it doesn't mess up the frame size of its containing field? Maybe a longer, wider, but shorter logo...like a banner style? It just looks sloppy and weird with the Political Film box being non-uniform. It's killing my anal-retentiveness.
Groucho
08-19-09, 11:51 AM
Thx - I put them up.:thumbsup:
GizmoDVD
08-19-09, 12:01 PM
Funny you should mention Hi Def Digest, because this is at the bottom of their website:
But I'll be blocking that forum right away. No interest in it and that logo is way to big.
(Wait, how do I ignore forums? I see the option in my USERCP for Forums I've already ignored but can't find a way to actually ignore them...)
kuroiinu
08-19-09, 12:14 PM
If you must, I think it's better to make Political Film as a sub-forum to Movie Talk than to Other Talk, still with the special rules for discussion.
I suspect that there is more traffic on Other, but those guys are broke and cheap. They read and post, but rarely buy anything. People over Movie Talk are the elite of DVD Talk and spend money, so you actually want them :)
The Bus
08-19-09, 12:22 PM
We launched the forum as a place to move threads about political films under the stricter rules that are in place in the politics forum. While there isn't a ton of threads around this topic, they do occur and we would like tighter rules in place to ensure the discussions take place civilly. We have been planning this for a while but the timing of the launch was moved up by the desire of Ironweed to sponsor the forum.
That may be the case but consider that people's first instincts will not be to go to the "Political Film" forum. Maybe for some documentaries but you'll have the same issues as with the Horror sub-forum.
Is District 9 a political film? It deals with apartheid on a certain level. That's political (although not particularly divisive).
My point (and the point put more cogently by my link a few posts above) is that growing the forum makes sense but from traffic that is building up and overloading a main forum. The fact that a Blu-ray bargains forum has been requested for months now yet nothing has been done (and the empty Political films forum was fast-tracked) leads me to believe the priorities seem to be slightly out of wack.
GizmoDVD
08-19-09, 12:27 PM
The fact that a Blu-ray bargains forum has been requested for months now yet nothing has been done (and the empty Political films forum was fast-tracked) leads me to believe the priorities seem to be slightly out of wack.
Let's face it - the sponsor for the Politcal Film Forum had money on the table while there is no such thing in place for the Blu-ray Bargains Forum (yet?). You would take a paying job over a free one, right? I can't blame DVDTalk for it - especially since they provide us with a free outlet for discussions and whatnot.
Now, where is my Kitty and Puppy forum :(
Mopower
08-19-09, 12:29 PM
Let's face it - the sponsor for the Politcal Film Forum had money on the table while there is no such thing in place for the Blu-ray Bargains Forum (yet?). You would take a paying job over a free one, right? I can't blame DVDTalk for it - especially since they provide us with a free outlet for discussions and whatnot.
Now, where is my Kitty and Puppy forum :(
Kitties and Puppies don't have monetary systems in place and no concept of ad revenue. Their only currency is cuteness.
Bconver
08-19-09, 12:42 PM
If you must, I think it's better to make Political Film as a sub-forum to Movie Talk than to Other Talk, still with the special rules for discussion.
I suspect that there is more traffic on Other, but those guys are broke and cheap. They read and post, but rarely buy anything. People over Movie Talk are the elite of DVD Talk and spend money, so you actually want them :)
Great point, I will talk with the mods about it. We kept it as its own sub to keep the discussion separate from politics and hopefully on topic but clear that the rules are different for the rest of the site.
The mods sanity is my main concern. If they think it manageable we will move it.
Brent
Red Dog
08-19-09, 02:20 PM
Lame idea. Terrible annoying logo.
VinVega
08-19-09, 02:55 PM
The mods sanity is my main concern. If they think it manageable we will move it.
Brent
I am willing to mod it as long as I don't have to mod Movie Talk. As kuroiinu says,
I suspect that there is more traffic on Other, but those guys are broke and cheap. They read and post, but rarely buy anything. People over Movie Talk are the elite of DVD Talk and spend money, so you actually want them :)
Broke and cheap, that's me. The last thing I want to do at a movie site is mod movie discussions. ;)
Seriously though, it doesn't matter to me where it is. I go with the flow. :) And I would be happy to mod Movie talk, but I rarely go there.
Ranger
08-19-09, 03:10 PM
It died out and it didn't make any sense: horror films were already being discussed in the movie forum. All it was doing was splintering the main Movie Forum.
And that is the same reason why we don't need a political film forum. Political films are rarely discussed here in the movie/DVD forums, so why have it on a separate one?yep. I think this like horror talk will be somewhat popular for maybe a few weeks then die off. Anime talk on the other hand, I think, will be able to last.
John Slider
08-19-09, 03:29 PM
Once sponsorship ends, we can dump these boards and put the threads where they belong, right? Seeing as how Political Film Talk is in the subforum phase, can't we put Anime talk within Book Talk, too? Or is it some kind of contractual obligation thing..
Adam Tyner
08-19-09, 03:42 PM
can't we put Anime talk within Book Talk, too? To be nerdy, I think you're confusing "manga" and "anime".
pjflyer
08-19-09, 04:00 PM
What is a "political" film and why wouldn't it be a part of the movie forum? I'd pay a $1 to help sponsor a blu-ray bargains forum.
Suprmallet
08-19-09, 04:24 PM
I can't speak to the other Movie Talk mods, but I don't mind modding this forum if it becomes a sub of Movie Talk.
RyoHazuki
08-19-09, 04:41 PM
Good thing Iron Weeds was here to sponsor this important forum right when it was needed most. Thanks Iron Weeds.
benedict
08-20-09, 03:31 AM
Once sponsorship ends, we can dump these boards and put the threads where they belong, right? Seeing as how Political Film Talk is in the subforum phase, can't we put Anime talk within Book Talk, too? Or is it some kind of contractual obligation thing..To be nerdy, I think you're confusing "manga" and "anime".Just before Anime Talk was created and located I polled the Comic Book Talkers:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/comic-book-talk/558585-manga-anime-talk-opinions-thoughts.html
Josh-da-man
08-20-09, 04:05 AM
If Larry Flynt throws some cash at IB, can we get the Adult forum back?
GizmoDVD
08-20-09, 09:43 AM
If Larry Flynt throws some cash at IB, can we get the Adult forum back?
I do miss that forum.
Groucho
08-20-09, 09:44 AM
I do miss that forum.Yeah, without where could we ever find porn on the internet?
VinVega
08-20-09, 11:00 AM
Yeah, without where could we ever find porn on the internet?
I thought the adult forum was blocked by your ISP. They don't allow porn where you live.
GizmoDVD
08-20-09, 11:08 AM
Yeah, without where could we ever find porn on the internet?
Porn? The discussion topics were interesting.
The Bus
08-20-09, 11:38 AM
Porn? The discussion topics were interesting.
Correction: The adult discussion topics were interesting before there was a specific Adult Forum. Then things went downhill very quickly.
pilot
08-20-09, 11:53 AM
I thought the adult forum was blocked by your ISP. They don't allow porn where you live.
That's why he tapes the covers of Sports Illustrated and People on top of the covers of Playboy, and replaces the covers for the porn dvds with printed out covers of Disney films..and hides it all under his bed...
GizmoDVD
08-21-09, 02:00 PM
I see other IB sites are also doing the 'sponsor' things as well. Sigh.
GizmoDVD
08-21-09, 02:02 PM
Oh, spoke to soon - DVD Bargains has also been whored out now.
benedict
08-24-09, 03:40 AM
While I understand why people will rail against intrusive elements - such as pop-ups and LOUD ads - I think that advertisements and sponsorship are a fact of life on a commercial site such as this.
I'm probably a very bad consumer because these things scarcely register unless they relate to a topic that is on my mind e.g. a recent film that interests me or a tv show I didn't know had come out on DVD.
So the sponsorship tags - although certainly a variation to my past experience on loading the forum pages, and possibly of subliminal influence - really aren't a big deal for me. I can click onto the forum of choice, read the posts, contribute as I may wish and just get on with "life".
Just my two pennies as a long-time member.
kuroiinu
08-24-09, 07:18 AM
I don't mind *too much* the RightStuff and iNetVideo logos, but the Iron Weed Film Club logo is just out of place and out of proportion for that page. I'd hate it a little less if it was resized properly.
And please, no pop-ups and no audio.
Numanoid
08-24-09, 03:53 PM
Hey, the Iron Weed logo is gone for me. Anyone else?
big whoppa
08-24-09, 07:21 PM
It's gone for me too. Advertising time expired maybe?
Edit: "Ironweed - I've been waiting for the new logo for quite a while and will replace it promptly - I'll try and bring it down in the interrum,"
Tommy Ceez
08-24-09, 08:22 PM
While I understand why people will rail against intrusive elements - such as pop-ups and LOUD ads - I think that advertisements and sponsorship are a fact of life on a commercial site such as this.
I'm probably a very bad consumer because these things scarcely register unless they relate to a topic that is on my mind e.g. a recent film that interests me or a tv show I didn't know had come out on DVD.
So the sponsorship tags - although certainly a variation to my past experience on loading the forum pages, and possibly of subliminal influence - really aren't a big deal for me. I can click onto the forum of choice, read the posts, contribute as I may wish and just get on with "life".
Just my two pennies as a long-time member.
The issue with people is that a useless forum was created for the sake of a few nickels while heavily requested forums are not created.
Im sure that if IB created a Blu-Ray Bargians forum and then found an appropriate sponsor, no one would be complaining
benedict
08-25-09, 03:31 AM
[....] Im sure that if IB created a Blu-Ray Bargians forum and then found an appropriate sponsor, no one would be complainingThose are pretty much my thoughts and I'm hoping that Blue-Ray Bargains will appear sooner rather than later. I understood that it was on the cards and I'm unsure what is holding up its launch. Or why it didn't appear concurrently with Political Films.
Trevor
08-25-09, 08:23 AM
Those are pretty much my thoughts and I'm hoping that Blue-Ray Bargains will appear sooner rather than later. I understood that it was on the cards and I'm unsure what is holding up its launch. Or why it didn't appear concurrently with Political Films.
Still no blue-ray bargains forum, but the blu-ray bargains forum showed up about 24 hours ago.
dx23
08-25-09, 08:24 AM
Those are pretty much my thoughts and I'm hoping that Blue-Ray Bargains will appear sooner rather than later. I understood that it was on the cards and I'm unsure what is holding up its launch. Or why it didn't appear concurrently with Political Films.
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/blu-ray-bargains-74/
The Bus
08-25-09, 12:32 PM
New logo is an improvement.
VinVega
08-25-09, 01:16 PM
New logo is an improvement.
Yeah, it actually fits in the designated section of the screen.
benedict
08-26-09, 03:25 AM
Still no blue-ray bargains forum, but the blu-ray bargains forum showed up about 24 hours ago.:blush: -ptth- :lol:
Buy: