2009 WSOP Main Event on ESPN Discussion

[Red Dog]

Coverage of the ME begins tonight and runs every Tuesday into November. I'll actually be leaving Vegas the day of the final table.

August 18 8:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 1A
August 18 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 1A
August 25 8:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 1B
August 25 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 1B
September 1 8:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 1C
September 1 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 1C
September 8 8:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 1D
September 8 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 1D
September 15 8:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 2A
September 15 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 2A
September 22 8:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 2B
September 22 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 2B
September 29 8:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 3
September 29 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 3
October 6 8:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 4
October 6 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 4
October 13 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 5
October 13 10:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 5
October 20 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 6
October 20 10:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 6
October 27 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 7
October 27 10:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 7
November 3 9:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 8
November 3 10:00 PM ET - Main Event Day 8
November 10 8:00PM ET - Final Table Preview Show
November 10 9-11:00 PM ET - Main Event Final Table

[El Scorcho]

nice work delaying the start 15 minutes, fuck you brett favre

[actyper]

I played 1B, 2B, 3, 4, 5. Look for the Asian guy.

[pinata242]

I wonder why my DVR picks up the 1am & 2am EDT broadcasts and not the first showings...

Hopefully it wasn't affected by Favre's latest bid for attention.

[Red Dog]

I can't wait for that douche who kept bluffing and showing his bluffs to get bounced.

[Deftones]

I can't wait for that douche who kept bluffing and showing his bluffs to get bounced.

agreed. i also want to see his girlfriend cry.

[LorenzoL]

I have to wait until August 27th for TSN to start showing the main event. Bastards!!!

[actyper]

I've just been downloading them instead.

[Deftones]

So I watched this week's episodes. How does that guy lay down fucking kings against Raymer in that spot? Only one hand beats him.

[mgbfan]

And it's not like Raymer is going to be pushing like mad with AA. Yeah, really strange.

[Deftones]

I hope that guy's friends and family disowned him.

[outcastja]

Great last hand tonight.

[El Scorcho]

lol @ all the pussies and their bubble play


yeah i'd do the same cuz i'm also a pussy

[mgbfan]

Man, I don't believe in hitting women, but if I was at the table with that older blonde lady who goes psycho every time she has a chip in the pot, I think I'd be tempted. Shut the hell up. She got in AJ vs AT, saw no danger at any street, then insisted that "it's never easy." Jesus, it doesn't get much easier than that, lady.

[El Scorcho]

my favorite was the AQ hand she had where she hit her Q on the hand and had the hand won and kept begging for another Q

and then she got it and flipped out

christ almighty

[Red Dog]

lol @ all the pussies and their bubble play


yeah i'd do the same cuz i'm also a pussy

I can't believe that one guy actually called the camera over to show his pocket Ks. If you're going to be a pussy and you're at an outer table with no card-cams, don't advertise your pussiness on national television.

[actyper]

lol @ all the pussies and their bubble play


yeah i'd do the same cuz i'm also a pussy

Guy beside me folded KK pre on the bubble to an aggros raise. A few hands earlier the same guy reshoved allin, turned around and started pumping his fists to his buddy, pretty much telling all that he had AA. The original raiser had to still call though as it wasn't much more.

[El Scorcho]

I can't believe that one guy actually called the camera over to show his pocket Ks. If you're going to be a pussy and you're at an outer table with no card-cams, don't advertise your pussiness on national television.


Yeah "ESPN, come here and look how much of a pussy I am!" isn't really a brilliant move. Agreed.

[El Scorcho]

Guy beside me folded KK pre on the bubble to an aggros raise. A few hands earlier the same guy reshoved allin, turned around and started pumping his fists to his buddy, pretty much telling all that he had AA. The original raiser had to still call though as it wasn't much more.

I was hoping you were the asian that told Hellmuth to shut up.

But then I realized you weren't after he tanked for a while to determine if he should call with JT on a JT5 board lololol

[Red Dog]

Man, I don't believe in hitting women, but if I was at the table with that older blonde lady who goes psycho every time she has a chip in the pot, I think I'd be tempted. Shut the hell up. She got in AJ vs AT, saw no danger at any street, then insisted that "it's never easy." Jesus, it doesn't get much easier than that, lady.

She was really annoying. I probably would have intentionally gone all in with 2-7 just to get knocked out so I wouldn't have to hear her yap for hours.

[Red Dog]

Why did it take so long for that guy who knocked out Phil so long to call the 2 all-ins when he had top-2 pair? :hscratch:

[Quake1028]

:lol: at the guy who folded AKs to Ivey and then told him about it. Reminded me of a similar situation a few years ago, I think it was with Ivey as well.

[Deftones]

I love how Phil Helmuth whines and complains at how bad players are, yet he slowplays aces, and gets cracked by 2 hands who just call the BB. God he's a fucking idiot.

[El Scorcho]

:lol: at the guy who folded AKs to Ivey and then told him about it. Reminded me of a similar situation a few years ago, I think it was with Ivey as well.

The Ivey "You folded AK to a single raise preflop?" face looks strikingly like his reaction to Tilly's "I thought you had pocket kings" hand. Basically if you ever play with Ivey and you see this face directed at something you did, just quit the game altogether.

http://i34.tinypic.com/21kgq6s.jpg

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[actyper]

I was hoping you were the asian that told Hellmuth to shut up.

But then I realized you weren't after he tanked for a while to determine if he should call with JT on a JT5 board lololol

lol, haven't downloaded day 4 yet but no I don't think that was me. Next week you can watch Sebok pwn me though.

[mgbfan]

So are you pretty sure you'll be on there? I just have to watch for Sebok beating on some Asian dude? Haha.

[actyper]

Should be, ESPN called me for some details.

[Deftones]

Should be, ESPN called me for some details.

what's your name? how long have you been playing? what's it like to take in the pooper? :)

[atari2600]

Man, I don't believe in hitting women, but if I was at the table with that older blonde lady who goes psycho every time she has a chip in the pot, I think I'd be tempted. Shut the hell up. She got in AJ vs AT, saw no danger at any street, then insisted that "it's never easy." Jesus, it doesn't get much easier than that, lady.

agreed! she even said "let me get lucky one time!" on that hand (at least i think it was that hand).

i am rooting against her big time.

[atari2600]

I can't believe that one guy actually called the camera over to show his pocket Ks. If you're going to be a pussy and you're at an outer table with no card-cams, don't advertise your pussiness on national television.

speaking of bubble play, i dont get why that guy raised with 92 and cbet when they were one from the money..so lucky the other guy had 34! why was he trying to knock other players out of the hand when they should have all checked it down to make 21k!

[Deftones]

speaking of bubble play, i dont get why that guy raised with 92 and cbet when they were one from the money..so lucky the other guy had 34! why was he trying to knock other players out of the hand when they should have all checked it down to make 21k!


pretty much.

[actyper]

Didn't see the hand in question yet but if he's a big stack its advantageous for him to keep the bubble period open as long as possible. Easy chips to steal.

[El Scorcho]

Didn't see the hand in question yet but if he's a big stack its advantageous for him to keep the bubble period open as long as possible. Easy chips to steal.

I don't really think there's much advantage to be gained when the bubble is at 600+ players -- the bubble is likely to burst the next hand or the one after it.

And I seriously doubt that's what his thought process was, given that he's wearing a KU jersey and likely doesn't have thought processes

hand in question starts at 0:00 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxWvEBwXOT4

the only thing that even comes close to making sense is that he wanted that guy to cash for whatever reason so getting it heads up with 9 high would have helped him

[Deftones]

Didn't see the hand in question yet but if he's a big stack its advantageous for him to keep the bubble period open as long as possible. Easy chips to steal.

The problem with the hand is that the shortest stack in the tourney was all in. 3 guys called, so 4 to the flop. instead of having every check it down to greatly increase the chances of busting that guy, idiot bets out, eliminates 2 guys and leaves the short stack with 2 live cards. that's jack move by this guy shows he doesn't have a fucking clue about tourney play. for the record, he was stealing about $12k in blinds, when all 3 players evidently had about the minimum stacks. ok, so apparently after seeing the link again, it was more than i stated above, but still a stupid play by that guy.

[Jeremy517]

There is 51k dead money in the pot. That is a ton of chips at that point, and he only gets called by one of the last two queens. Unless you are shortstacked, betting on that flop is hugely +EV.

Checking down to eliminate a guy when you have a lot of chips and there are still tons of people left is seriously overrated. If you are playing for a mincash, then check it down. If you are playing to win, then take the +EV.

[atari2600]

There is 51k dead money in the pot. That is a ton of chips at that point, and he only gets called by one of the last two queens. Unless you are shortstacked, betting on that flop is hugely +EV.

Checking down to eliminate a guy when you have a lot of chips and there are still tons of people left is seriously overrated. If you are playing for a mincash, then check it down. If you are playing to win, then take the +EV.

but with 9 high, how could he possibly think he was ahead...even vs a random all in hand. he was very lucky the other guy had 3-4. i dont get how he could gain from making that cbet.

in fact i could have seen the ENTIRE TABLE limping in and checking it down...remember this is for 21k (for everyone...minimum!). even if the guy gets super lucky and wins he is still very short stacked and someone else just goes out on the bubble and everyone gets paid.

[Jeremy517]

but with 9 high, how could he possibly think he was ahead...even vs a random all in hand. he was very lucky the other guy had 3-4. i dont get how he could gain from making that cbet.


He didn't have to beat the all-in guy to win 90% of the pot, he just had to get the other people to fold. The all-in guy could only win 4,500 out of the 55,500 pot. There was 4,500 in the main pot and 51,000 in the side pot.

[atari2600]

He didn't have to beat the all-in guy to win 90% of the pot, he just had to get the other people to fold. The all-in guy could only win 4,500 out of the 55,500 pot. There was 4,500 in the main pot and 51,000 in the side pot.

ooh...right. i totally forgot there was a side pot from the very beginning because the all in guy couldnt cover the BB.

now the bet makes sense. i kept thinking he was betting into a 0 side pot.

[actyper]

It was more than that too as that guy raised pre. It was huge +EV to bet out the other guys even if he has 9 high. Contrary this shows that this guy IS a tournament player and not interested in just cashing.

[El Scorcho]

did you see that fish with the TT vs JJ

ugh not sure how he made it that far

;)

[actyper]

lol nice hope the bts have it up tomorrow

[Deftones]

so just curious, how did that hand play out? since we only got to see how it ended, just wondered what the progression of the hand was.

[actyper]

I started off with about 20 BBs or so. Raised utg 2.5-3x, Joe called in the sb. Flop QQ6. He checked, i shoved. He thought about it for prob a minute or so, then called.

I don't know if it was on the airing but the previous hand he had just doubled up as well.

[Deftones]

that hand w/ AK where he was all in? yeah, that was on there, although they didn't show it as right before your hand.

[El Scorcho]

so you shove 17 BBs into a ~7 BB pot?

I don't know enough about tournament play against people that aren't droolers -- is that standard?

[mgbfan]

Paused the DVR and called my wife into the room and told her that I sorta knew you. She kept thinking I was talking about Sebok. Finally after much confusion ensued, she says "Oh, you mean the Asian guy?"

Honest, she's not a racist. ;)

[actyper]

so you shove 17 BBs into a ~7 BB pot?

I don't know enough about tournament play against people that aren't droolers -- is that standard?

Made my hand appear like AK to get called by a smaller par. My hand was more standard for online play than live imo. Something I still need more experience on.

[El Scorcho]

lol @ Prahlad Friedman's new rap song

(beginning of ep 22)

[Deftones]

stupid DVR didn't record either of these last night. :(

[Red Dog]

stupid DVR didn't record either of these last night. :(

They are 9 & 10 now. They are repeated a bazillion times on ESPN and the 2. You can find them.

:lol: at that one random dude that said this play will look awful on tv. Yes, it did.

Hachem isn't as annoying as he used to be.

[Deftones]

i just did a search. unless they are listed under something else, they aren't replaying them. :shrug:

[El Scorcho]

BTW, Jesse Haabak was the guy from one of the 2p2 forums I frequent that I met and watched for a couple days there. He had the A6o vs Friedman's 88 hand towards the end of ep 22 (the second one last night)

Super nice kid

[Jeremy517]

The episodes are all on Youtube.

Prahlad's new rap was awesome. Eastgate face :lol:

[Jeremy517]

:lol: at that one random dude that said this play will look awful on tv. Yes, it did.


You wouldn't know it from that play, but the random dude is one of the well-known nosebleed stakes online players.

[Red Dog]

i just did a search. unless they are listed under something else, they aren't replaying them. :shrug:

Strange. Frankly, they weren't very eventful episodes.

[mgbfan]

Thanks for nothing Full Tilt. For once, I had no idea about how things unfold. Way to air a commercial to let us all know.

Stupid.

[actyper]

Why would ESPN allow a commercial like that as well?

[Jeremy517]

Why would ESPN allow a commercial like that as well?

You're talking about the station that put the winner in their ticker nonstop during the time between the filming of the final table and the airing of the final table last November a few days later, not to mention reporting the winner on Sportscenter and on their web page. I don't think ESPN cares about spoilers.

[pinata242]

I didn't see the commercial in question, but I had the final table spoiled for me on Facebook by my cousin's friend a few months ago.

[pinata242's cousin] is upset she just read about the WSOP final table!
[pinata242] Thank you very much for not spoiling it for the rest of us.
[dumbfuck] Why? What happened?
[cousin] I won't tell you, but this is where I read it: link
[dumbfuck] Wow! I can't believe XXXXXXXXXX made it!
[pinata242] Jesus fucking Christ! Thanks for trying to keep it secret, cuz.
[cousin] I'm sorry...
[pinata242] Not your fault. Some people are just too fucking dumb to know any better.

[El Scorcho]

i had the results spoiled by being there :(

[Red Dog]

I missed the commercial in question but they've done that before. Never watch these broadcasts live. I DVR them and quickly jump when they go to commercial. Unfortunately, I learned of one of the final table participants somewhere.

[mgbfan]

I usually skip the commercials, but I was working out while watching, so ... there it was. Strange that ESPN can't understand that their viewership want to be surprised. After all, who wants to watch an NFL game that they know the final score of?

Ahh well, still enjoying the main event. Really thourough coverage this year, not rushed at all.

[El Scorcho]

I usually skip the commercials, but I was working out while watching, so ... there it was. Strange that ESPN can't understand that their viewership want to be surprised. After all, who wants to watch an NFL game that they know the final score of?

Ahh well, still enjoying the main event. Really thourough coverage this year, not rushed at all.

One thing that really really irritates me about their coverage is that they almost never indicate a player's position when they make an action.

There's a world of difference when someone raises UTG and gets re-popped by a guy on the button when compared to someone who raises on the button and gets re-popped by a marginal holding by the BB.

Other than that, I'm fine with it. Could do with out the retarded wild-card hand and the puff piece pull-at-your-heartstrings stories.

[Red Dog]

One thing that really really irritates me about their coverage is that they almost never indicate a player's position when they make an action.


Which is funny since they do the production and commentary well after the event takes place. I love how Lon and Norm feign surprise at the hand outcomes.

[pinata242]

Am I the only one that fast forwards through the mystery beef jerky hand? I find Norman's commentary distracting and the whole thing is really an excercise in futility because it's never accurate of a real "what would you do" for this hand, but rather a series of them since each action is likely to be different from how it would unfold for you. Anyway, for me it's like two wasted minutes.

[Jeremy517]

You're supposed to be figuring out a range for the mystery person, rather than figuring out what you would do if you had the known hand.

[pinata242]

No, I get that. It's just for me, it's pointless and the players involved have far more information than I have anyway. Plus at my table I don't have some jackass running scenarios through my ear.

[El Scorcho]

Which is funny since they do the production and commentary well after the event takes place. I love how Lon and Norm feign surprise at the hand outcomes.

You'd be surprised at how many people out there still think Lon & Norm still call the shots as if they were there live

Same with Sexton & Van Patten on WPT.

[Red Dog]

That old couple that cheers (and I presumes follows him from tourney to tourney) for Phil Ivey is really creepy.

[mgbfan]

But hey, they can make a mean sign, right?

[El Scorcho]

STACK EM! STACK EM STACK EM! TO THE TOP!

chick needs to swallow the barrel of a gun

ugh

[mgbfan]

stack em! Stack em stack em! To the top!

Chick needs to swallow the barrel of a gun

ugh

shoot her! Shoot her! Shoot her in the head!

[atari2600]

You're talking about the station that put the winner in their ticker nonstop during the time between the filming of the final table and the airing of the final table last November a few days later, not to mention reporting the winner on Sportscenter and on their web page. I don't think ESPN cares about spoilers.

exactly...and it sucks!

[atari2600]

Am I the only one that fast forwards through the mystery beef jerky hand? I find Norman's commentary distracting and the whole thing is really an excercise in futility because it's never accurate of a real "what would you do" for this hand, but rather a series of them since each action is likely to be different from how it would unfold for you. Anyway, for me it's like two wasted minutes.

agreed. at first it was fun but now i hate those hands.

[atari2600]

STACK EM! STACK EM STACK EM! TO THE TOP!

chick needs to swallow the barrel of a gun

ugh

:lol: so true. and shes supposedly a poker pro herself?

[Xndman]

Does anyone else here find Norman's comments usually very funny. I'll usually laugh several times during the telecast. I know he's not off the cuff, but the way it's put together is pretty slick and enjoyable.

[pinata242]

I found that Fair guy's little tantrum over his perception of Pham(?)'s "slow roll" to be completely uncalled for. God forbid someone take the time to consider their position when it's possible it's not the best especially when you're you the final legs of the thing and have already out-lasted 6400 people. It's not like he was making a show for the all-in guy to sweat it out unnecessarily.

I guess he has all the same pressure on him, but I sure hope he saw how much of a douche he looked like last night.

[Red Dog]

STACK EM! STACK EM STACK EM! TO THE TOP!

chick needs to swallow the barrel of a gun

ugh

:lol::thumbsup:

Tough luck for Steve Phillips. Nice guy. Solid tournament player.

I can't believe that guy with AK on that one hand kept calling those big bets with 2 queens and a jack on the board. What an idiot.

[Red Dog]

Does the final table take place Nov 9 or 10? I know the broadcast is the 10th. I'm going to be in Vegas that weekend but I am leaving on the 10th. Thinking about going to watch a little of it if it is on the 9th.

I don't want to look it up myself for fear of seeing final table spoilers.

[Deftones]

so did anyone see our very own El Scorcho in the crowd from the 2nd episode last night? i haven't seen it yet, but a little birdie told me he could be seen about 10 minutes in.

[atari2600]

which episode was actyper in? is it on youtube?

[actyper]

2nd half of day 5, I don't remember the episode number. Yeah its on youtube or pokertube.

What is it, day 7 now? i'll check it out

[mgbfan]

Thank god Schnieder is out. Couldn't take his wife anymore. Hardcore way to go out for Phillips and that dude who went out 28th.

I know the fate of two of the big names left, but the rest is a mystery to me. Lots of intrigue. It's fun to watch this late when you still know who several players are. And I kinda find myself rooting for that Darvin Moon as well. Yeah, the deck is smacking him clean in the face, but nobody ever seems to give him credit for a hand (except that French guy). They just keep trying to run over him, and he keeps swatting them away. There's something about him I like.

[LorenzoL]

I think that I'm caught up with the broadcasts as they finally showed the episodes for Day 7. I'm staying away from all spoilers for the final table so I don't know who makes it or not but I'm hoping that either one or both of the big names left make it to the final table.

I had no problem with Schnieder, but his wife was beyond annoying. Somebody need it to tell her to shut the heck up.

[El Scorcho]

Thank god Schnieder is out. Couldn't take his wife anymore. Hardcore way to go out for Phillips and that dude who went out 28th.

I know the fate of two of the big names left, but the rest is a mystery to me. Lots of intrigue. It's fun to watch this late when you still know who several players are. And I kinda find myself rooting for that Darvin Moon as well. Yeah, the deck is smacking him clean in the face, but nobody ever seems to give him credit for a hand (except that French guy). They just keep trying to run over him, and he keeps swatting them away. There's something about him I like.

He seems like a genuine good guy and is fully aware he's on a luckbox run of his life and has no false impressions about being some sort of poker superstar.

I like him too.

I want him to go heads up with Ivey (with Ivey winning).

[james2025a]

I am a huge poker fan and have been watching it for a good 10 years now, however i really hate the commentators on this show. The humour is really always unfunny and i just find them pretentious. I would rather have some actual professional poker players doing the commentary.

[Red Dog]

So Phil mucks a winning hand. From the way Norm was going on, you'd think it was god mucking a winning hand. :lol:

[pinata242]

I wonder if last night was the first time he was informed with that or if someone during the production of the show broke the news to him in between.

[JustinCleveland]

I wonder if last night was the first time he was informed with that or if someone during the production of the show broke the news to him in between.

I would be pissed if someone from the production company told me while the event was still being played. That would be a gross ethical violation. If he was informed after the completion of the primary play (before the final nine) then that would be less egregious.

[pinata242]

I meant during the editing process or in the intervening 5 months. The event is still technically going on since the final table hasn't occurred yet.

[mgbfan]

Yeah good question. I don't see any harm in it if it happened between the end of Day 8 (or whatever day is the last one) and the start of the final table, since he was gonna find out anyway.

Either way, I'll bet it was hard for him to watch.

[pinata242]

I just figure Norman if no one else would have been like, "Dude, you'll never guess what I had to narrate today!"

Right, I figure no harm in it happening. I was just wondering if someone braced him for that impact.

[El Scorcho]

I am a huge poker fan and have been watching it for a good 10 years now, however i really hate the commentators on this show. The humour is really always unfunny and i just find them pretentious. I would rather have some actual professional poker players doing the commentary.

If you've ever heard actual professional poker players do commentary on other poker shows, you'd realize that this is a terrible, terrible idea.

Norm's humor is supposed to be worn and dorky. He does it well.

[El Scorcho]

Yeah good question. I don't see any harm in it if it happened between the end of Day 8 (or whatever day is the last one) and the start of the final table, since he was gonna find out anyway.

Either way, I'll bet it was hard for him to watch.

I bet he really wants those 2.5M+ chips now.

So strange to see a player of Ivey's caliber make a mistake like that.

[pinata242]

While I knew Ivey made the final table, I didn't know Shulman did, so that was a nice surprise.

Though watching Ivey back into it was really shitty knowing he'd make it. I'd rather he had a comfortable position so that at least I didn't lose most of the suspense.

Tough break for Kopp, and Moon looks unstoppable. Hopefully he's over-thought the final table in the last few months and starts bleeding chips.

[Red Dog]

I had heard about Ivey too. Didn't know about Shulman although he's not that memorable to me.

I knew that Darven Moon would be a major player in this when they started really hyping him up several shows ago.

rotfl at that guy who pushed all-in with a big chip total with the 3-5 flush.

[outcastja]

Pretty brutal missing the final table because of cracked Aces. The player I'm rooting against is Begleiter, that guy is an ass.

[Quake1028]

Donking off almost $20MM in chips with just about the smallest flush possible on a paired board = WIN.

[El Scorcho]

I actually like this Darvin Moon guy.

Begleiter is a dickbag, I stood behind him and watched him for a lot of Day 7. Complete east coast financial industry fuckface.

Seems like every year we see someone spaz out and shoot themselves in the foot on the final table bubble. This year it was Kopp. Shoving with a tiny flush when Moon's flop check/raise range is pretty much flushes and sets.

[atari2600]

While I knew Ivey made the final table, I didn't know Shulman did, so that was a nice surprise.

Though watching Ivey back into it was really shitty knowing he'd make it. I'd rather he had a comfortable position so that at least I didn't lose most of the suspense.

Tough break for Kopp, and Moon looks unstoppable. Hopefully he's over-thought the final table in the last few months and starts bleeding chips.

i know its a lot in the editing but moon has been hit so hard by that deck is rediculous. i think ive seen him make one good move all tourney..the rest of the time he had the nuts and people just gave chips to him.

dont get me wrong - i love the guy. very easy to like. but hes not good - even he admits it. but congrats to him and the other 8. the only guy i really dont like is the former bears/sterns asshole. that guy has the worst table demeanor ive ever seen and freaking whines too much. and when he hit that guy (out of frustration) that was a total lack of class. i hope he goes out first on the final table.

[atari2600]

Pretty brutal missing the final table because of cracked Aces. The player I'm rooting against is Begleiter, that guy is an ass.

yes, thats the guy i was referring too. couldnt remember his name.

[Deftones]

didn't know Ivey made the final table. awesome. i hope he wins it so we can finally talk about him being the best poker player alive instead of some other people

[El Scorcho]

they play from 9 down to 2 tomorrow starting at noon.. live audio on cardplayer or pokernews or one of those type sites

then monday they play heads up for the title

then tuesday espn airs it from 6pm (9 eastern) til 8:30 (11:30 eastern), leaving it mostly open ended so they don't get caught with their pants down like last year and leave themselves with only enough time to show 2 heads up hands

[El Scorcho]

they play from 9 down to 2 tomorrow starting at noon.. live audio on cardplayer or pokernews or one of those type sites

then monday they play heads up for the title

then tuesday espn airs it from 6pm (9 eastern) til 8:30 (11:30 eastern), leaving it mostly open ended so they don't get caught with their pants down like last year and leave themselves with only enough time to show 2 heads up hands

[LorenzoL]

Looking forward to today's final table.

Do we use spoiler tags to comment on the action and who's eliminated until ESPN/TSN airs the final table episode?

[pinata242]

I'd say not but it wouldn't hurt. People should know to stay out of the thread if they don't want to be spoiled.

[Jeremy517]

Spoilers for the final table thus far:


Akenhead out ninth
Schaffel out eighth

Ivey treading water around 8MM

Moon makes a bizarre play against Begleiter and dumps about 20MM to him. That is twice that Moon has donked off a bunch of chips.

Buchman leads with 52MM, Begleiter second with 45MM. Moon down to 39MM.

[Jeremy517]

Moon is absolutely terrible.

Preflop:
Moon raises to 1.3, Begleiter raises to 3.9, Moon calls.

Flop comes: 2 3 4 with two spades

Begleiter bets 5.3, Moon raises to 15, Begleiter raises to 21, Moon folds :confused::confused::confused:

Moon: "When he came over the top of me, I knew I was drawing dead"
followed by
Moon: "I thought he had AKs"

You thought you were drawing dead against an unmade hand? What? Ugh.

[pedagogue]

Yeah...I was hoping they'd televise the Final 9, instead of 14 down to 9. Eh.

[mgbfan]

Pretty brutal missing the final table because of cracked Aces. The player I'm rooting against is Begleiter, that guy is an ass.

I agree. The guy seems to be a donkey who thinks he's a shark. He's constantly playing garbage out of position. Granted, we've seen only a sliver of his hands, but what I've seen has me rooting against him as well.

I was also shocked that Schulman is only like 35. He looks at least 50.

Will be rooting for Ivey first, Moon second. I like Darvin. He's got the sense to know that he's not overly talentend and just running really well. It's a humility a guy like Begliter could use.

Oh, and I also like the kid who looks like Joe Mauer (only skinnier and with a bigger nose). I forget his name.

[mgbfan]

think ive seen him make one good move all tourney..the rest of the time he had the nuts and people just gave chips to him.

Getting max value out of his good hands is a good move. Granted, he's had a TON of good hands, but ... he sells a loose-cannon persona very well, but really just plays good, fairly vanilla tight aggressive poker. While everybody else is trying to be fancy and make advanced plays, Darvin's pretty much playing what he's dealt, getting it in when he's ahead, mucking when he's behind. There's something to be said for solid, tight-aggressive poker.

[Jeremy517]

Ivey out. AK < Moon's AQ. Ugh

[pedagogue]

Eh, shit!

[El Scorcho]

Final 2some commences at 10pm tonight. Audio stream (with a graphic display indicating the action) will be available on bluffmagazine.com.

the participants:

Cada - something like $138M in chips
Moon - something like $56M in chips

[brainee]

For those of you hoping to avoid spoilers when watching tonight's show ... STAY AWAY FROM YAHOO!!! :mad: It's right out there on the main page ... you don't even have a second to look away. I wasn't even going there for any reason ... Yahoo's been my homepage for ages, and I booted up and it just hit me before I could react.

[Quack]

Yea, WTF Yahoo!, thanks for ruining it for me!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

[TheDude]

Final 2some commences at 10pm tonight. Audio stream (with a graphic display indicating the action) will be available on bluffmagazine.com.

Just reading the highlights from ESPN's blog, sounds like it should make for some pretty good TV.

[Doug Heffernan]

yea, wtf yahoo!, thanks for ruining it for me!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!

[brainee]

Though it is making me :lol: to see nearly 1000 comments already on the Yahoo story ... with most of them thowing down curses upon the heads of Yahoo editors.

ESPN was much more tactful - they just have a news item that touts a new poker champ was crowned (you have to click on the link to see who won).

[sauce07]

Yea, WTF Yahoo!, thanks for ruining it for me!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:


Stupid Stupid Stupid

Thanks for ruining my night

[El Scorcho]

Just reading the highlights from ESPN's blog, sounds like it should make for some pretty good TV.

I listened to all 78 hands. Very exciting action -- those waiting for the TV show tonight should be in for a treat provided they show more than 2 hands of heads up (like last year).

For those recording the episodes, make sure you pad the shit out of your recording with extra time. Word was that they were given a semi-open-ended time block to broadcast the final table so that if the table went longer than expected, they wouldn't find themselves in that 2-hands-of-heads-up situation like last year.

And given that the final table was the longest in history, I would expect them to use that open-ended time allowance.

[Finisher]

Good God that was even more horrific than usual.

[El Scorcho]

i enjoyed the coverage though

kinda disappointed we got no quick norman chad interview with the winner at the end though

also pretty sure moon and cada almost made out at one point when they were telling each other how awesome each other was

[OscarBluth]

This wasn't live, was it? For the second year, Comcast or ESPN has fucked me on this. I sit through 2 hours of it on my DVR and it ends at 2:00 with three players left? Comcast has an automatic 'record with extra time' feature, but it never showed up for this- And it has a green bar, so it's in Comcast's system as sports. ESPN also shows 2:00 as the run time for the repeats of the final table episode. So is it ESPN, or is it Comcast? It doesn't really matter at this point, but I'm still curious.

This happened in 2007, and I didn't bother watching in 2008 since it was spoiled by my local newspaper's website announcing the winner in a headline. This makes three years in a row.

I'm not going to bother watching again.

[pinata242]

Hey, ESPN, here's a little math tip: You can't fit 150 minutes of TV in a 120-minute block. That's from me to you, no charge this time.

Like Papa Bluth there, I get to the 2:00 mark and it ends in the middle of a Cada/Saout hand. Luckily I was in the middle of the late rebroadcast on ESPN2, so I just set that to record with a 30-minute buffer on the end thinking that was more than enough because, shirley, they only went over by 5-10 minutes tops, right? Tournament ended at 2:27. For fuck's sake...

Another thing is they really need to reel in the leaving the table shit. As much as I don't like the cheering sections and stuff, it's far more annoying to see Moon standing there, behind, while Cada walks off to be cradled by his daddy.

In short, ESPN needs to get their head out of their collective ass before 2010, especially with spoiling the Ivey results in a commercial 7.5 episodes early.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Vince Neil, seriously? :lol:

[namja]

For those recording the episodes, make sure you pad the shit out of your recording with extra time. Word was that they were given a semi-open-ended time block to broadcast the final table so that if the table went longer than expected, they wouldn't find themselves in that 2-hands-of-heads-up situation like last year.

Thanks! And thanks to Directv for allowing me to schedule recording via the Internet. I just set SportsCenter (the one immediately following the WSOP program) to record so I got all of it.

As annoying as it was to see Cada get lucky many times (especially with 22 and 33), it was far more annoying to see Moon get lucky (AQ vs. Ivey's AK; AQ vs. Begleiter's QQ).

[El Scorcho]

This wasn't live, was it? For the second year, Comcast or ESPN has fucked me on this. I sit through 2 hours of it on my DVR and it ends at 2:00 with three players left? Comcast has an automatic 'record with extra time' feature, but it never showed up for this- And it has a green bar, so it's in Comcast's system as sports. ESPN also shows 2:00 as the run time for the repeats of the final table episode. So is it ESPN, or is it Comcast? It doesn't really matter at this point, but I'm still curious.

This happened in 2007, and I didn't bother watching in 2008 since it was spoiled by my local newspaper's website announcing the winner in a headline. This makes three years in a row.

I'm not going to bother watching again.

ESPN couldn't win here.

Last year, they had a predetermined 2 hour block with no time allowance to run over it, so they crammed in everything in 2 hours, so much so that they only had 5 minutes left to show 2 hands of heads up play. People complained. A lot.

This year they handled it like any other "live" sporting event and gave it a 2 hour block + run-over time allowance as needed. Because the heads up battle ended 16 hours before the show hit ESPN, there was no real feasible way to schedule it appropriately -- the editors likely didn't know how long the final show was until right before it aired.

What they *should* have done is just blocked out the entire 6pm to 10pm block with the listing "World Series of Poker" and gone from there.

What you all should have done is read my post where I said you'll need to heavily pad your recording. ;)

[El Scorcho]

In short, ESPN needs to get their head out of their collective ass before 2010, especially with spoiling the Ivey results in a commercial 7.5 episodes early.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Vince Neil, seriously? :lol:

1) Vince Neil has an extremely popular tattoo shop (Vince Neil Ink) at the Rio, where the tournament is held. Marketing, marketing, marketing.

2) Full Tilt used Ivey's final table run as a marketing promotion this summer. Hence the commercials.

The "november 9" stuff is tough. If you go back to the old schedule (final table ends in july, final table episode airs in November), people complain about the winner results being spoiled between July and November.

With the current schedule, people complain about tripping across / having spoiled the final table participants between July and November.

And you can't air the shit live -- The 9 players -> 2 players final table lasted from Noon to 6am. Heads up battle lasted from 10 pm til 1:30 am.

Not to mention that even if you air the heads up battle live, it will make for terrible average-joe TV given that half the hands don't even see a flop and 45% of the hands never see a turn card.

[pinata242]

I understand the issues and agree that avoiding final spoilers for two days is far preferable to 4-5 months. It's never going to be perfect and I reserve the right to bitch about any presentation scenario ;)

[hal9000]

Stupid freaking ESPN and DirecTv, it cut off right after they got down to three players. I have successfully avoided knowing who the winner is so far. Yesterday on our local afternoon AM sports radio show Petros and Money, Money apparently let everyone know who had won the main event. Luckily I was away from my desk at the time so I missed the announcement, but came back to hear Money getting slammed by the e-mailers for announcing the winner before it actually aired on ESPN.

As far as the play goes:
(I haven't read any current posts in this thread) Ivey is gonna be sick when he sees his jacks lay down. I know it was early on, and he didn't want to look the fool, but damn... woulda, coulda, shoulda. I have no doubt in my mind that he'll make it back to the final table, probably multiple times throughout the remainder of his career.

[pinata242]

I think most people would go back in time and play every single hand, even winners, differently if they had the knowledge of what happened, though.

[OscarBluth]

Hey, ESPN, here's a little math tip: You can't fit 150 minutes of TV in a 120-minute block. That's from me to you, no charge this time.

Another thing is they really need to reel in the leaving the table shit. As much as I don't like the cheering sections and stuff, it's far more annoying to see Moon standing there, behind, while Cada walks off to be cradled by his daddy.
Or cut out the excessive interviews, flashbacks with other poker players, carrying the money out, etc. Just like Jeopardy, I don't care where these people came from or what their story is. I want to watch poker. If I wanted to listen to boring details about things I don't need to know, I'd work in a soup kitchen and ask every homeless man, "What's up?"

[Red Dog]

Fuck you ESPN. Is there anywhere online to see the overrun part? I would check espn.com but don't want it to be spoiled. I watch every episode of this and then they pull this shit. -ohbfrank-

[pinata242]

I'm relatively sure this is the hand that it cut off for me:

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[mgbfan]

Well it was an interesting final table. We're almost 24 hours past the broadcast now, so I don't think it's necessary to avoid spoilers anymore (anyone who does not know and does not want to has no business opening this thread right now)

I went into the FT kinda rooting for Darvin. But he changed that in a hurry. What a donkey. Guy was just clueless. He's lucky he's a card rack or he could have easily pulled a Phillip Hilm and gone out first. The low points for Darvin: lying to his wife about what he had, and insisting that, with his lie of having QQ, he didn't want to call 6 mil to win 45 mil because that would give the other guy a chance to hit one of his outs. WTF? If you're gonna lie, at least try to apply some logic. The other thing that I really disliked was when he told the French guy "It should have been you and me" for heads up. No, Darvin. It should NOT have been you. At all. You played horrifically and got extremely lucky.

Cada had a lot of luck too, but at least you got the sense that he was AWARE he got lucky, and that he could actually play the game.

On the whole, it was disappointing that the vast majority of the knockouts were plain old suckouts. It didn't seem like good play was being rewarded much at all.

[pinata242]

:lol: Updated above with Part 3.

[Red Dog]

Many thanks, pinata!

That was a great roller coaster ride of a final table, particularly the final 2. Can't believe Moon went all in on that straight draw. Even though it wasn't proper odds, I would have just called to see that river card....then if you hit it, you might be able to induce the all-in in a winning position.

[SoSpacey]

So I happily managed to avoid almost all spoilers this year and I am quite happy about it. I couldn't avoid the Ivey spoiler due to the Full Tilt commercial, but: I only saw that commercial because my Tivo backed up coming out of a fast forward a few weeks ago. Not bad though.

Not to defend Darvin, but I do think he was just trying to change up his play at the final table. His over-aggressive plays with nothing may have been his attempt at playing his strategy.

Now lying to his wife about having QQ in that hand made me kind of hate him. I wonder if his fan base was watching on Tuesday night and crucifying him. How do you lie like that knowing it will be broadcast? I can understand lying to another player. At least his wife will get half in the divorce. You got some 'splainin' to do.

I am glad Darvin didn't win though. Never would a WSOP champ have fallen off the face of the earth faster than if he would have won.

Did they only decide to show suck-outs at the final table? Did everyone get knocked out when they were way ahead? I felt like I was watching internet poker live.

[El Scorcho]

Did they only decide to show suck-outs at the final table? Did everyone get knocked out when they were way ahead? I felt like I was watching internet poker live.

1) i listened to most of the final table and very rarely did the best hand hold up all-in


2) lol @ your internet poker foil hat

[SoSpacey]

1) i listened to most of the final table and very rarely did the best hand hold up all-in


2) lol @ your internet poker foil hat

i dont know what a foil hat is :(

[El Scorcho]

tinfoil hat

paranoia

[El Scorcho]

cada on letterman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfl2VIkzJMU

[SpaceBoy]

Just got back from Vegas Sunday night. We were there Weds-Sun.

One interesting note, we went to O'Shea's (next to Flamingo) on Weds night, and we ran into Cada there at the bar. Believe it or not they have a beer pong setup at that place, and he was at the bar next to it with some girl and big group of guys including his one friend who serves as his manager.

Two of my friends challenged him, and they played and lost to him in beer pong. Really a cool guy, we didn't bother him for any pics, but every 5 minutes somebody came up and bothered him.

We didn't ask him anything about poker, other than congratulating him.

Oh, we did ask him why he was there, and he said O' Shea's is his favorite place, and him and his friends said they had to hit it before they left Vegas.

He did get us a few shots of soco and lime, but none of his prize money :) Pretty funny.

[mgbfan]

Happened across Cada playing Beer Pong (with water) on SportsNation today.

[SoSpacey]

tinfoil hat

paranoia

if i was paranoid i would not still be playing and have deleted my accounts.

[Red Dog]

Just got back from Vegas Sunday night. We were there Weds-Sun.

One interesting note, we went to O'Shea's (next to Flamingo) on Weds night, and we ran into Cada there at the bar. Believe it or not they have a beer pong setup at that place, and he was at the bar next to it with some girl and big group of guys including his one friend who serves as his manager.

Two of my friends challenged him, and they played and lost to him in beer pong. Really a cool guy, we didn't bother him for any pics, but every 5 minutes somebody came up and bothered him.

We didn't ask him anything about poker, other than congratulating him.

Oh, we did ask him why he was there, and he said O' Shea's is his favorite place, and him and his friends said they had to hit it before they left Vegas.

He did get us a few shots of soco and lime, but none of his prize money :) Pretty funny.


They've had beer pong tables at O'Sheas for several years. O'Sheas is one of my favorites places too although that little person leprechaun blowing the whistle gets a bit old after awhile.

I think Flamingo is hosting the World Series of Beer Pong soon.