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dx23
08-13-09, 02:58 PM
Or so they say. Joe Quesada announced in San Diego that they had acquired the rights to the character.

http://www.examiner.com/x-3094-Graphic-Novel-Examiner~y2009m7d24-Comic-Con-09-Marvel-acquires-Marvelman-rights

http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/07/24/dial-h-for-history-marvelman-edition/

Still, there are some reports that they are still negotiating with Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman for the 80's series rights.

http://classic-comics.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_legal_history_of_marvelman

I still don't get this. Why all of a sudden did Mick Anglo own the rights of the character? I know he created them but I thought that Len Miller, the owner of the British publication, will also own the character. Then in the 80's Alan Moore recreates the character for Warrior, and then gets in a legal tangle with Marvel Comics. Warrior stories where then picked up by Pacific comics and then by Eclipse, where the character changed name to Miracleman. Neil Gaiman continued the stories and then Eclipse closed shop. Todd McFarlane bought Eclipse with the purpose of getting Miracleman and then everything when to shit, since Gaiman and McFarlane went into a legal battle for Miracleman and 2 Spawn characters Neil had created. From there, it went to Marvel purchasing the rights? How?

hopefully, Marvel will be able to publish the stories. I for one will definitely buy anything the release regarding Marvelman/Miracleman.

fujishig
08-13-09, 03:32 PM
This does sound odd. I'm sure Marvel has all its ducks in a row, but I too fail to see how this is the outcome after years and years of legal battles between Mcfarlane and Gaiman. All of a sudden the original creator got the rights back and renders all that moot? What?

Or are we somehow talking only holding onto the rights in Britain?

This is more confusing than the stupid Harmony Gold/Big West Robotech/Macross crap that prevents that stuff from coming out here...

JasonF
08-13-09, 05:50 PM
The short version is this: Mick Anglo has always owned all of the rights to pre-Warrior Marvelman. For a long time, people thought that Len Miller had a piece as well, and all of the stuff that Moore and Buckingham and Gaiman and all the rest did in the 80s in Warrior were based on a license from Miller. Likewise, Eclipse's rights (and therefore McFarlane's) were derived from Warrior. Since Miller never had any rights in the first place, neither does McFarlane. This all came to a head when Gaiman sued McFarlane over the rights to Angela. Gaiman considered taking McFarlane's Miracleman rights in exchange for his Angela rights as a settlement, but ultimately concluded that McFarlane had no rights. Only Anglo did, and he has no apparently decided to sell them to Marvel.

However, this doesn't mean that Marvel can reprint the Moore or Gaiman stories. Under UK copyright law, the individual writers and artists own copyright in their work. Anglo only owns copyright in the character and on the stories he personally wrote and drew. So Marvel still needs to negotiate with Moore, Buckingham, Gaiman, Leach, Davis, and all the rest. However, Moore has said in an interview that he believes Marvel will be reprinting some of his Miracleman stuff, which suggests that Marvel has already reached out to him and struck some sort of deal.

dx23
08-13-09, 08:04 PM
Still, that doesn't answer on who owns the characters in the UK and who owns the copyright of the stories and characters in the US. I want to finally be able to purchase reprints of all Miracleman/Marvelman comics, especially the Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman works. Hopefully, whatever agreement comes of this will help do that. Still, things can get muddy, especially when Moore is on the other side of negotiations.

Josh-da-man
08-13-09, 11:00 PM
Gaiman set up the "Marvels and Miracles" thing in order to sort out the rights to the character, so I don't think that either he or Buckingham are going to present much of a problem for getting their existing material back in print and continuing their storyline.

The biggest roadblock for getting the Moore stories back in print is all of the artists involved (as well as letterers) and the usage of the Warpsmith characters.

It shouldn't be too long before we get some news...

benedict
08-14-09, 02:38 AM
I still have all my original Warrior magazines, always having been a fan of anthology titles. I'd start buying comics again if I knew of something similar in the market today.

I also picked up some/all of the US reprints and continuations having been given a free copy of Issue 1 by publisher Dez Skinn at a little chat he gave at a British SF Association meet way back when.

It'd be interesting to see what comes of this. I remember when MArvel leaned on the UK publisher for using Marvelman and the namechange happened because they couldn't afford the litigation in spite of having a good case for the legitimacy of the character's longstanding appellation!

Patman
08-14-09, 01:41 PM
I guess it's too late to sell my complete run of Miracleman now, eh?

For the longest time, I was sort of scared of reading them, lest I damage them somehow, and piss away my retirement. LOL!

DaveCole
08-17-09, 07:05 PM
I sold my set a few years ago. Looking forward to picking up some tpb reprints and hopefully new stories.

dx23
08-18-09, 08:46 AM
A friend of mine who works at Marvel told me that we should expect Marvelman items in 2010, but he couldn't give any details on what exactly is coming out.

whaaat
08-26-09, 02:02 PM
Hoping for a reprint of the Alan Moore run on Miracleman so I don't need to pay an arm and a leg for originals...

dx23
03-23-10, 09:53 AM
It seems Marvel is going to call him Marvelman and they are releasing a one shot this summer.

Marvelman Returns in June
The time has come! Marvelman makes his return in June


Marvel is proud to announce the return of Marvelman to shelves everywhere with the release of MARVELMAN CLASSIC PRIMER #1 in June! Who is the mysterious Marvelman? And just why is he one of the most enduring super heroes of all time? The answers arrive in this commemorative one-shot featuring interviews with creator Mick Anglo, superstar Neil Gaiman and more who contributed to this character's history over the years! Plus, get all-new pinups of key Marvelman characters by superstar artists Mike Perkins, Doug Braithwaite, Miguel Angel Sepulveda, Jae Lee, Khoi Pham and Ben Oliver! This landmark issue features two covers--one with the timeless art of Mick Anglo and another with the now-iconic rendition of Marvelman by Marvel Editor-In-Chief--and superstar artist--Joe Quesada!

Then, in July, thrill to the debut of MARVELMAN FAMILY'S FINEST #1, a new ongoing series reprinting Marvelman's greatest adventures for the first time in the US! Plus, no comics fan can miss MARVELMAN CLASSIC VOL.1 PREMIERE HC, reprinting Marvelman's earliest adventures in chronological order!

Now's your chance to learn just why Marvelman is one of the most important characters in comic book history-it all begins in MARVELMAN CLASSIC PRIMER #1, this June!

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Written by JOHN RHETT THOMAS
Cover by JOE QUESADA
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http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.11747.marvelman_returns_in_june

dx23
03-23-10, 09:57 AM
And the Kimota: The Miracleman Companion is going to be re-released, but this time in hardcover and with added material.

JasonF
03-23-10, 04:29 PM
Am I correct that this is all brand new stuff or fifties stuff, and that Marvel till hasn't announced any reprints of the 80s stuff?

dx23
03-23-10, 05:16 PM
Am I correct that this is all brand new stuff or fifties stuff, and that Marvel till hasn't announced any reprints of the 80s stuff?

So it seems. I think they are still clearing all the rights for the material before they release them again.

Josh-da-man
03-24-10, 04:47 AM
Am I correct that this is all brand new stuff or fifties stuff, and that Marvel till hasn't announced any reprints of the 80s stuff?

Yeah, everything Marvel is reprinting is all old stuff from the 50s and 60s.

Still haven't announced anything on the Moore/Gaiman issues, or new Gaiman/Buckingham material.

Graftenberg
03-24-10, 05:54 AM
Anyone know what is going to be in the HC? And is it worth picking up?

Superboy
03-27-10, 08:16 AM
The short version is this: Mick Anglo has always owned all of the rights to pre-Warrior Marvelman. For a long time, people thought that Len Miller had a piece as well, and all of the stuff that Moore and Buckingham and Gaiman and all the rest did in the 80s in Warrior were based on a license from Miller. Likewise, Eclipse's rights (and therefore McFarlane's) were derived from Warrior. Since Miller never had any rights in the first place, neither does McFarlane. This all came to a head when Gaiman sued McFarlane over the rights to Angela. Gaiman considered taking McFarlane's Miracleman rights in exchange for his Angela rights as a settlement, but ultimately concluded that McFarlane had no rights. Only Anglo did, and he has no apparently decided to sell them to Marvel.

However, this doesn't mean that Marvel can reprint the Moore or Gaiman stories. Under UK copyright law, the individual writers and artists own copyright in their work. Anglo only owns copyright in the character and on the stories he personally wrote and drew. So Marvel still needs to negotiate with Moore, Buckingham, Gaiman, Leach, Davis, and all the rest. However, Moore has said in an interview that he believes Marvel will be reprinting some of his Miracleman stuff, which suggests that Marvel has already reached out to him and struck some sort of deal.

A social democrat and a comic nerd. God, you are awesome.

Anyway, McFarlane is probably the biggest douche in the comic world for pulling a stunt like that. He bought Eclipse just so he could run a great character through his shitty action figure, movie, cartoon, videogame tie-in comic company.

The 80s stuff won't be reprinted anytime soon. Moore hasn't made it a secret how much he despises Marvel comics. Not only that, but the characters involved also belong to multiple creators.

majorjoe23
03-27-10, 01:30 PM
Moore has actually said that he's fine with them reprinting his stories if they leave his name off them and give his share of the money to Mick Angelo. I believe Alan Davis is a much bigger hold up for reprinting, since he was upset about the initial Eclipse reprints, but he also has a pretty good working relationship with Marvel.

That's the big problem. Marvel has to get permission from all the artists who have worked on the series, since they each have a share. And then add in characters like Big Ben, who is owned by Dez Skin and the Warpsmiths, who are owned by Gary Leach.

Josh-da-man
03-27-10, 05:01 PM
I always figured that McFarlane tried to buy Miracleman to spite Gaiman.

dx23
03-27-10, 06:08 PM
Moore has actually said that he's fine with them reprinting his stories if they leave his name off them and give his share of the money to Mick Angelo. I believe Alan Davis is a much bigger hold up for reprinting, since he was upset about the initial Eclipse reprints, but he also has a pretty good working relationship with Marvel.

That's the big problem. Marvel has to get permission from all the artists who have worked on the series, since they each have a share. And then add in characters like Big Ben, who is owned by Dez Skin and the Warpsmiths, who are owned by Gary Leach.

From what I understand, they have permission from everyone but they are making sure that there are no legal issues pending or anyone left with a grind to ax regarding the ownership of the character.

dx23
03-27-10, 06:11 PM
By the way, I wished Marvel released everything in hardcover Omnibus sets, in volumes, like DC did for the Sandman.

dx23
08-09-10, 11:11 PM
Anyone know what is going to be in the HC? And is it worth picking up?


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From the looks of it, the Moore/Gaiman stuff apparently is still being sorted out and there is no time frame or hint if Marvel will even be able to release it. The only thing they own now is Mike Anglo's old stuff which is being reprinted in the Marvelman Finest miniseries and this HC release. I wish Marvel would have found a better way to release all these stories, which in truth, are not as interesting as the 80's revamp.

JasonF
08-10-10, 10:45 AM
A social democrat and a comic nerd. God, you are awesome.

How did I miss this post? Anyway, Superboy is right -- I am awesome.

As for Marvelman, I picked up the first issue of the reprint series. It was fun as a historical artifact, but I didn't enjoy it enough to justify picking up the rest of the issues. I'm still holding out hope for reprints of the Moore/Gaiman stuff.

TheMadFapper
08-10-10, 11:14 AM
Moore is a much bigger douche then McFarlane could ever be, with his endless whining and bitching whenever one of his pwecious ittle comic books is "adapted" for a movie and then Moore is shocked, SHOCKED!!!!! to find that things have chancged in the transition from comic book to movie screen. McFarlane is a businessman plain and simple and that seems to run a lot of people the wrong way, for some demented reason.

brayzie
08-12-10, 06:47 PM
First off, I like that Moore gives his honest opinion on how the movie projects turn out, rather than being just saying every project he's associated with is awesome, despite being to the contrary.

However, I don't think he became that critical till he had to give an 8 hour testimony in court where people claimed he stole the idea for League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. That and the studio sarcastically "admitting" that they stole the work in an email, and then later settling out of court soured him on Hollywood.

That said he sounds more consistent with his convictions than McFarlane.
I like McFarlane but he originally was all about creators rights and argued that he should get something for creating Venom, even though he just added a smile to a Rick Leonardi design. Yet, he doesn't think that Gaiman should get something for co-creating Medieval Spawn.

I think McFarlane's arrogant attitude after his departure from Marvel is what turned people against him.

However, back to Miracleman. If Marvel put out a Miracleman Classics monthly out, in color, I would buy it. But shelling out the cash for a Hardcover edition that doesn't include the work that Moore and Gaiman did doesn't seem worth it.

benedict
08-13-10, 03:52 AM
Moore is a much bigger douche then McFarlane could ever be, with his endless whining and bitching whenever one of his pwecious ittle comic books is "adapted" for a movie and then Moore is shocked, SHOCKED!!!!! to find that things have chancged in the transition from comic book to movie screen. McFarlane is a businessman plain and simple and that seems to run a lot of people the wrong way, for some demented reason.This seems a somewhat contentious way to put across your point unless of course your main aim was to elicit an angry response. The irony is that another admin had now spotted what looks to be another account connected to you which, if correct, is against forum rules. Doubtless a credible explanation will soon be forthcoming...

To the best of my knowledge, Moore will not profit from any adaptations that he considers to have lost the spirit of his original work but usually makes sure that co-creators don't lose out. While his principles and general outlook may be out of kilter with the modern world, and are certainly at odds with the often heartless film-making world, he seems to have more integrity than the likes of McFarlane. And, equally important when considering the medium whereof we speak, has demontsrated considerably greater creative prowess.

Trevor
10-12-13, 04:41 PM
Looks like it's really going to happen.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48465

JasonF
10-12-13, 06:39 PM
The one-two punch of the return of Miracleman and the return of the Priest/Bright team on Quantum & Woody (hell -- any new comics by Priest) has made me so happy!

The Valeyard
10-14-13, 05:39 PM
I can finally read Gaiman's run for a decent price. Back in the day, I stopped collecting Miracleman after Moore left. What did I know back then?

Supermallet
10-14-13, 09:55 PM
Yessss, I've always wondered what Gaiman was going to do after his run was cut short. I would love it if Marvel let him write some new material, too.

Josh-da-man
10-14-13, 10:46 PM
Yessss, I've always wondered what Gaiman was going to do after his run was cut short. I would love it if Marvel let him write some new material, too.

The plan is to reprint the existing Moore and Gaiman material in #1-24, the completed but unpublished #25, and then Gaiman and Buckingham will finish out their planned storyline with new material. Should end with issue #34.

SteelWill
10-16-13, 02:39 PM
I think McFarlane's arrogant attitude <> is what turned people against him.

There you go.

Laertes
10-17-13, 02:20 PM
I generally don't buy single issues. Can I safely wait for the trades on these? What I mean is, will these be collected in trades or is that not in the agreement that Marvel has with the original publishers? I've never read these but hear they are amazing.

JasonF
10-17-13, 02:56 PM
I generally don't buy single issues. Can I safely wait for the trades on these? What I mean is, will these be collected in trades or is that not in the agreement that Marvel has with the original publishers? I've never read these but hear they are amazing.

Nothing is certain, but I would be extremely surprised if we don't see these in single issue first, hardcovers every 6 issues or so, TPBs 6-12 months thereafter, and eventually one or two omnibuses.

PhantomStranger
10-17-13, 03:03 PM
Nothing is certain, but I would be extremely surprised if we don't see these in single issue first, hardcovers every 6 issues or so, TPBs 6-12 months thereafter, and eventually one or two omnibuses.
That is probably likely coming from Marvel. I was hoping someone other than Marvel got the Miracleman rights. It's less about reprints and more about the future exploitation of the character.

The Valeyard
10-17-13, 03:55 PM
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THE ORIGINAL WRITER & MICK ANGLO (W)

GARRY LEACH, ALAN DAVIS, PAUL NEARY, STEVE DILLON & MICK ANGLO (A)

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Variant COVER BY JOHN CASSADAY
Variant COVER BY MARK BUCKINGHAM
Variant COVER BY JEROME OPENA
Variant COVER BY LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Sketch VARIANT BY JOE QUESADA
YOUNG VARIANT BY SKOTTIE YOUNG
CLASSIC VARIANT BY GARRY LEACH

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Wonder what they're reprinting from Warrior (besides the actual MarvelMan stories)? Wasn't there a couple of tidbits that never made it to the US?

Josh-da-man
10-17-13, 06:32 PM
Wonder what they're reprinting from Warrior (besides the actual MarvelMan stories)? Wasn't there a couple of tidbits that never made it to the US?

Yeah, I think there was one short story drawn by Steve Dillon that wasn't reprinted by Eclipse, but I don't think there's a lot of material like that out there. The Dillon story is about eight pages, and there was a framing sequence from Miarcleman 3-D.

I wonder how they'll handle issue 8. That's the fill-in issue of the Eclipse run only contained silver age reprints and no "Original Writer" material. Just reprint it as-is to keep up the numbering, or something else?

Oh... I almost forgot. There's one more thing. Grant Morrison wrote a story called "The Devil and Johnny Bates" that was never published (it was rumored to have been in one of Morrison's fanzines, but I think that turned out to be false). I would love to have this see print somewhere.

JasonF
10-17-13, 09:08 PM
:lol: The Original Writer. I hope He Who Shall Not Be Named By Marvel is happy with that credit.

My guess is issue #1 will reprint the text piece from Warrior #1 and issue #2 will reprint the Marvelman stories from Warrior #1-5, which Eclipse previously reprinted in Miracleman #1 and the first part of Miracleman #2. In other words, it looks like Marvel is not doing one-for-one reprints of the Eclipse stuff (at least insofar as it consisted of Warrior reprints), but instead is breaking things differently to make longer issues (which suggests they'll skip Eclipse's #8).

benedict
10-18-13, 02:23 AM
I really need to look through my box of old comicbooks that have followed me around from various houses over the years!

Although I took most of my old Marvel anthology reprints to a charity shop a decade ago, among other bits and pieces I hung on both to my (nearly?) full run of Quality Communications Warrior anthology comics and the set of Eclipse Miracleman I picked up later.

I think I was given a copy of Miracleman Number 1 by Dez Skinn as a freebie after he gave a talk at one of the two or three British Science Fiction Association London meetings (http://www.bsfa.co.uk/tag/london-meetings/) I attended way back when.

If Marvel do a good TPB version I may pick that up and pass over the Eclipse originals to a nephew, as I'm more of a reader than a collector/speculator - my copies are not encased in mylar :eek:

brayzie
10-18-13, 02:32 AM
It took me a minute to figure out "original write & mick anglo." Typo of "original writer, Mick Anglo."

Either way, I'm happy it's finally coming out. Preferred the name Miracleman though.

JasonF
10-18-13, 08:38 AM
It took me a minute to figure out "original write & mick anglo." Typo of "original writer, Mick Anglo."

Either way, I'm happy it's finally coming out. Preferred the name Miracleman though.

I think they're using the name Miracleman for the Original Writer and Gaiman stuff, but they're also talking about introducing a version of the character into Marvel continuity under the Marvelman name.

Supermallet
10-19-13, 12:04 AM
The plan is to reprint the existing Moore and Gaiman material in #1-24, the completed but unpublished #25, and then Gaiman and Buckingham will finish out their planned storyline with new material. Should end with issue #34.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBP9qQYCIAAoqFI.jpg:large

Guess I have one more title I can add to my pull list at my LCBS.

brayzie
10-21-13, 03:15 AM
I think they're using the name Miracleman for the Original Writer and Gaiman stuff, but they're also talking about introducing a version of the character into Marvel continuity under the Marvelman name.

If that's true that's good for me. I started reading about the character as MIRACLE Man. Sounds so much more fitting for the character and the series than Marvel Man.

I know it only makes sense to introduce the character into the MU proper but I wish they didn't...reminds me a little bit of BEFORE Watchmen. But I can just ignore it. They'll probably get some top tier creators to handle it anyways.

I will be so glad to finally read what Gaiman had planned for the Dark Age. I always assumed that Dicky Dauntless was gay from reading about the series in publications like Wizard and Kimota! but when I read the actual issue it came across more like Miraclewoman was manipulating Miracleman.

Then I remembered that in the Moore issues he portrays Dauntless as being a misogynist and repressed homosexual, keeping in line with the writer's style of everything-you-know-is-wrong. But Gaiman's portrayal of Dauntless doesn't seem to hate women, and actually seems like a genuinely good person. And didn't Kid Miracleman have more developed super powers, even showcasing mental powers in the 2nd issue? I'm really looking forward to seeing this story finished.

PhantomStranger
10-21-13, 01:01 PM
I think Miracleman sounds a lot better than Marvelman. The latter name doesn't roll off the tongue very easily.

Josh-da-man
11-13-13, 01:09 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Quesada Details "Miracleman's" Marvel-ous Return (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49089)

Looks like we won't be seeing new material from Gaiman and Buckingham until 2016.

On the plus side, we can hope this gives them plenty of lead time to get started.

The Valeyard
11-13-13, 01:20 PM
It'll still end up delayed. Just like Sandman Overture.

Supermallet
11-13-13, 03:16 PM
Sandman Overture won't be done till 2016, so it all works out!

Supermallet
01-18-14, 05:29 PM
Just got the first issue. Very well put together. It has the first two stories from Warrior, plus prelim art, interviews, etc.

Trevor
01-19-14, 06:35 AM
Just got the first issue. Very well put together. It has the first two stories from Warrior, plus prelim art, interviews, etc.
I'm definitely buying it next time I hit my LCBS. Haven't been since before Thanksgiving, I'm thinking I might hit triple digits $.

ntnon
01-19-14, 03:06 PM
Yeah, I think there was one short story drawn by Steve Dillon that wasn't reprinted by Eclipse, but I don't think there's a lot of material like that out there. The Dillon story is about eight pages, and there was a framing sequence from Miarcleman 3-D.

I wonder how they'll handle issue 8. That's the fill-in issue of the Eclipse run only contained silver age reprints and no "Original Writer" material. Just reprint it as-is to keep up the numbering, or something else?

Oh... I almost forgot. There's one more thing. Grant Morrison wrote a story called "The Devil and Johnny Bates" that was never published (it was rumored to have been in one of Morrison's fanzines, but I think that turned out to be false). I would love to have this see print somewhere.
Warpsmiths bits, too.

whotony
11-17-14, 02:55 AM
The new Gaiman story won't appear until 2016, is that what I'm reading?

So it will be 7 years after they get the rights until new material.

majorjoe23
11-17-14, 07:35 AM
The new Gaiman story won't appear until 2016, is that what I'm reading?

So it will be 7 years after they get the rights until new material.

Sounds about right, I think 13 is the most recent issue out, there's the annual in December, then three more Moore issues, nine previously printed Gaiman issues and the finished, but never printed issue.

That takes things into 2016 easy.

The Valeyard
11-17-14, 04:11 PM
It's possible that Marvel will dual-solicit Gaiman's run (two a month) to bring new Gaiman stuff sooner. But based on how smoothly Sandman: Overture has been going, that probably won't happen.

Maybe Marvel will release the Miracleman: Apocrypha mini-series to give Gaiman more time to get his last portion of the series done? There was also another mini that Eclipse never released (Miracleman Triumphant). Plenty of stuff to let Neil catch up.

What's left of his run anyways? The remainder of the Silver Age (3 more chapters after the never-before printed issue) and then the six-part Dark Age. That's 9 issues. Should be finished by 2019. Maybe.

Josh-da-man
11-19-14, 07:58 PM
The new Gaiman story won't appear until 2016, is that what I'm reading?

Looks that way. #15 is solicited for February. Coming out at one per month, that would put #24 at November 2015. If they take December off again (there's a special annual solicited for this December that features the "lost" Grant Morrison story illustrated by Joe Quesada and a new story from Peter Milligan and Mike Allred) that means #25 is on track for January 2016.

It's possible that Marvel will dual-solicit Gaiman's run (two a month) to bring new Gaiman stuff sooner. But based on how smoothly Sandman: Overture has been going, that probably won't happen.

Maybe Marvel will release the Miracleman: Apocrypha mini-series to give Gaiman more time to get his last portion of the series done? There was also another mini that Eclipse never released (Miracleman Triumphant). Plenty of stuff to let Neil catch up.

What's left of his run anyways? The remainder of the Silver Age (3 more chapters after the never-before printed issue) and then the six-part Dark Age. That's 9 issues. Should be finished by 2019. Maybe.

Yeah, Gaiman still has nine issues to write unless something has changed. Also heard that Buckingham wants to re-ink 23-24-25.

With all of the lead time, I would hope that Neil and Mark will have enough time to get a good head start.

I love Neil, and he seems like a good fellow, but he seems to have made kind of a mess out of Sandman Overture's release schedule.

I wouldn't object at all to another Apocrypha series. There are plenty of creators out there who could have a bit of fun with character.

The Valeyard
03-04-15, 02:07 PM
So Sandman: Overture still hasn't been completed and Marvel just announced that they are re-starting Miracleman with a fresh new #1 for Gaiman's run sometime in 2015. The "Original Writer's" last issue was released today.

PhantomStranger
03-04-15, 02:33 PM
It's okay to say Alan Moore's name. It wouldn't surprise me if Disney eventually turns this into a film.

Josh-da-man
03-04-15, 02:47 PM
So Sandman: Overture still hasn't been completed and Marvel just announced that they are re-starting Miracleman with a fresh new #1 for Gaiman's run sometime in 2015. The "Original Writer's" last issue was released today.

Well, shit. That's going to fuck up my numbering. I already own the original Eclipse Miracleman #1-24 comic books, and I was going to start buying the Marvel editions with #25. Figured something was up when the solicitations stopped at #16.

This is going to end up being another Sandman Overture, isn't it?

Now it's not surprising that Neil Gaiman was defending George R. R. Martin and his slow output a few years ago.

The Valeyard
03-04-15, 06:50 PM
This is going to end up being another Sandman Overture, isn't it?

Oh, yeah. There's no doubt about it.

PhantomStranger
03-05-15, 12:21 AM
Well, shit. That's going to fuck up my numbering. I already own the original Eclipse Miracleman #1-24 comic books, and I was going to start buying the Marvel editions with #25. Figured something was up when the solicitations stopped at #16.

This is going to end up being another Sandman Overture, isn't it?

Now it's not surprising that Neil Gaiman was defending George R. R. Martin and his slow output a few years ago.
Marvel loves their #1 issues. I'm surprised they haven't moved all their issues to being #1 of volume X.:lol:

Solid Snake
03-05-15, 01:30 AM
hrmmmmm.

The Valeyard
04-29-15, 02:27 PM
The official title for Gaiman's run is MIRACLEMAN BY GAIMAN & BUCKINGHAM with a new #1 on September 2nd.

It was the series that changed comics forever. And at long last – it will be completed. This September, a tale that began 25 years ago will finally be told in MIRACLEMAN BY GAIMAN & BUCKINGHAM #1! Visionary comic legends Neil Gaiman (Sandman, 1602) & Mark Buckingham (Fables) bring you a new Age of Miracles and a story of epic proportions! Kicking off The Golden Age storyline and then continuing into the unfinished The Silver Age & The Dark Age arcs, Gaiman & Buckingham’s lost Miracleman story will finally see the light of day!

Uttering a single, long-forgotten word, Michael Moran transformed from the ordinary into the extraordinary – and Miracleman was born! Years out of print and left unfinished, Marvel Comics is pleased to bring these iconic and trailblazing stories back to print for an entirely new generation of fans. Now is the chance to jump on board one of the most groundbreaking stories in comics history before these two industry titans bring you the cataclysmic conclusion to their famously unfinished storyline!

"That Neil and Bucky can finally finish the story they started, is a great relief to still-gasping fans — myself among them," says Marvel Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso.

Gaiman and Buckingham reunite with series colorist D’Israeli and award-winning letterer Todd Klein to create the definitive Miracleman. Each issue has been remastered directly from the original artwork and will feature extensive additional content including scripts, original art, sketches, rare promotional pieces — and more! Look for this exciting jumping on point this September 2nd when MIRACLEMAN BY GAIMAN & BUCKINGHAM #1 comes to comic shops!

Solid Snake
04-29-15, 02:35 PM
I remember when Wizard brought up a list of like the craziest/extreme/whatever in comics. I was like mid teens. Anyway... they mentioned this character and Moore's run. Since that time and ESPECIALLY the past 2 years I've collected all those mentioned in the listing. Preacher, Authority, etc. Miracleman was the one that I couldn't get cuz of the rights. Now that we've got him back... I'm iffy on getting the 3 books that were Moore's run. They're rather expensive for so little quantity of work in there.

Do you guys think they'll collect all of Moore's run w/ MM? I'm like close to breaking down and buying them. Just to have it finally. It has teased my imagination so much. Even reading about it doesn't satisfy me. It just really intrigues me w/ wtf happens in there.

majorjoe23
04-29-15, 03:03 PM
There will be an omnibus for sure. Likely one for Moore and one for Gaiman.

Trevor
04-29-15, 03:15 PM
I have all the original Warrior and then Eclipse issues. They were amazing. In my top five comic stories of all-time probably.

Solid Snake
04-29-15, 03:50 PM
I'm still so behind on reading certain things. Never have read Moore's Swamp Thing. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. etc etc. Dunno why I didn't go after them before. I just mostly focused on other things.

ytrez
04-30-15, 07:07 AM
I have all the original Warrior and then Eclipse issues. They were amazing. In my top five comic stories of all-time probably.

I've got the Warrior issues, the Eclipse issues, the Marvel issues, the Marvel Premiere hardcover collections, the Marvel Classic MM hardcovers, and I'll likely end up ordering the inevitable Omnibus too. Overkill I know. I'm a huge fan of Moore's run on the series and much less so of Gaiman's. But I'm sure I'll get those too.

ytrez
04-30-15, 07:08 AM
I'm still so behind on reading certain things. Never have read Moore's Swamp Thing. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. etc etc. Dunno why I didn't go after them before. I just mostly focused on other things.

League is okay but you've got to read those Swamp Thing issues. I haven't re-read them but it was great reading those every month when they were released.

PhantomStranger
04-30-15, 02:26 PM
I remember when Wizard brought up a list of like the craziest/extreme/whatever in comics. I was like mid teens. Anyway... they mentioned this character and Moore's run. Since that time and ESPECIALLY the past 2 years I've collected all those mentioned in the listing. Preacher, Authority, etc. Miracleman was the one that I couldn't get cuz of the rights. Now that we've got him back... I'm iffy on getting the 3 books that were Moore's run. They're rather expensive for so little quantity of work in there.

Do you guys think they'll collect all of Moore's run w/ MM? I'm like close to breaking down and buying them. Just to have it finally. It has teased my imagination so much. Even reading about it doesn't satisfy me. It just really intrigues me w/ wtf happens in there.
Alan Moore brilliantly deconstructs the Shazam/Captain Marvel concept in Miracleman. Miracleman was basically a cheap British clone of Captain Marvel until Moore got his hands on him.

Josh-da-man
04-30-15, 03:03 PM
Required Alan Moore reading:

Miracleman
Watchmen
V for Vendetta
Swamp thing
From Hell
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen vol. 1 and 2
Promethea

Solid Snake
04-30-15, 03:06 PM
I read promethea like 10 years ago or something. It didn't attract me. Probably cuz I was not in the mood for it. Fuck. I don't even remember what it was about.

Trevor
04-30-15, 03:13 PM
Required Alan Moore reading:

Miracleman
Watchmen
V for Vendetta
Swamp thing
From Hell
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen vol. 1 and 2
Promethea
That's a pretty good order, with 1-4 almost tied for first imho. I'd put Swamp Thing farther up just because I was an impressionable kid new to comics when the character got his own book by Wein and Wrightson.

Also, his two Superman stories deserve a place in any comic fan's library. If I had to pick a single issue story as my all-time favorite it'd likely be "For the Man Who Has Everything".

brayzie
04-30-15, 03:43 PM
I read promethea like 10 years ago or something. It didn't attract me. Probably cuz I was not in the mood for it. Fuck. I don't even remember what it was about.
I stayed away from Promethea for the longest time because it looked too all-over-the-place. When I finally did read it, after reading Glory #0-2 and finding out Promethea is basically what Glory was supposed to be.
I thought it was great. The middle part when Moore is just explaining magic is boring. But when Sophia becomes Promthea, the Joker style character of the Painted Doll and her battle between Tom Strong were classic comic book moments.

That's a pretty good order, with 1-4 almost tied for first imho. I'd put Swamp Thing farther up just because I was an impressionable kid new to comics when the character got his own book by Wein and Wrightson.

Also, his two Superman stories deserve a place in any comic fan's library. If I had to pick a single issue story as my all-time favorite it'd likely be "For the Man Who Has Everything".

I like "For the Man Who has Everything" much better than "What Ever Happened To the Man of Tomorrow."

I haven't read some of the comics on that list. I have read most of Alan Moore's work when he worked for Rob Liefeld:

1963 (60s Marvel at it's best and worst)
Supreme (pretty much Silver Age Superman)
Judgment Day (The DCU according to Alan Moore)
Youngblood (The Awesome Universe version of Teen Titans)
Glory (Wonder Woman)

From his ABC line I really liked TOP 10.

Tom Strong was well written, and I really loved the premise of each issue, but I never really cared for the main character or his supporting cast. I feel like it was Supreme-lite.

Greg MacGuffin
04-30-15, 08:10 PM
I loved his run on Supreme. If you guys like his Superman stories, I think it's mandatory reading.

PhantomStranger
04-30-15, 09:10 PM
I loved his run on Supreme. If you guys like his Superman stories, I think it's mandatory reading.
Supreme is easily the best extended run on Superman since the Silver Age. Wait, what!? Just like Miracleman is a thinly-veiled clone of Captain Marvel, Supreme is a thinly-veiled clone of the Silver Age Superman brought into the modern age.

DC should buy the rights to that character, Supreme was originally created by Rob Liefeld but the artist let Moore take the character and do anything he wanted with him. Probably the smartest thing that Rob Liefeld has ever done.

I am not as big a fan of Promethea, I don't think it ranks with Moore's other classic works.

brayzie
04-30-15, 11:07 PM
Supreme is easily the best extended run on Superman since the Silver Age. Wait, what!? Just like Miracleman is a thinly-veiled clone of Captain Marvel, Supreme is a thinly-veiled clone of the Silver Age Superman brought into the modern age.

DC should buy the rights to that character, Supreme was originally created by Rob Liefeld but the artist let Moore take the character and do anything he wanted with him. Probably the smartest thing that Rob Liefeld has ever done.

I am not as big a fan of Promethea, I don't think it ranks with Moore's other classic works.

Why should DC buy the rights to Supreme though?

I agree , Liefeld letting Alan Moore do whatever he wanted with the Awesome/Extreme universe was the smartest thing he did. I'm pretty surprised though at how a lot of the very unique ideas that Moore introduced throughout his superhero comics career are strongly based on other people's work like this (http://www.ambarb.com/?p=938) example, Superfolks, and Isaac Asimov's The Last Question and Moore's other Superman analog Mr. Majestic in "The Big Chill."

majorjoe23
05-01-15, 07:21 AM
Yeah, DC doesn't need Supreme. They have enough Superman analogs for a company that already owns Superman.

PhantomStranger
05-01-15, 12:14 PM
I was suggesting Supreme for DC because you can do all the Superman stories with him you can't get away with on Superman. The reality is that Superman is a huge merchandising brand for Time-Warner, the brand is too valuable to really push the envelope in comics.

You could tell many Superman stories you can't get away with now in the DC universe if Supreme was used in his place.

Solid Snake
05-02-15, 10:11 AM
Required Alan Moore reading:

Miracleman
Watchmen
V for Vendetta
Swamp thing
From Hell
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen vol. 1 and 2
Promethea

The bolded, I own. Absolute edition for the former and the latter in a regular TPB. And I've read random Moore stuff. The Killing Joke, his Supes issues, etc.

For some reason, I'm not attracted to From Hell. I dunno why. I just don't care for a story w/ Jack the Ripper in it. Though I find him interesting. I'll have to read it at some point cuz it's Alan Moore. I just dunno why I don't care for this out of all his work. Something about it just doesn't attract me enough. Where does it stand for you guys?

Trevor
05-02-15, 11:50 AM
I read the first few issues of From Hell and found it fascinating and extremely well done. I decided to wait til it was finished to binge read and have never made it back to it. Someday.

majorjoe23
05-02-15, 02:04 PM
I think I've read From Hell three times now. I love it, but it's a big commitment.

Josh-da-man
05-02-15, 02:34 PM
From Hell is a really dense work. It's probably not something I would recommend to a lot of people, and it should not be the first Alan Moore book someone reads.

Obi-Wan Jabroni
05-02-15, 03:17 PM
I bought From Hell a collected edition from Eddie Campbell at SDCC in 2000. He signed it and did a sketch inside the front cover. On the way back, my flight was cancelled, so I ended up waiting in the airport all day for the red eye. Since I had nothing else to do, I read nearly the entire thing sitting in two different airports and on my flights home (Connected thru Chicago the next morning)

PhantomStranger
05-02-15, 03:48 PM
The bolded, I own. Absolute edition for the former and the latter in a regular TPB. And I've read random Moore stuff. The Killing Joke, his Supes issues, etc.

For some reason, I'm not attracted to From Hell. I dunno why. I just don't care for a story w/ Jack the Ripper in it. Though I find him interesting. I'll have to read it at some point cuz it's Alan Moore. I just dunno why I don't care for this out of all his work. Something about it just doesn't attract me enough. Where does it stand for you guys?
From Hell is Moore's real masterpiece, certainly the greatest non-superhero graphic novel I've ever read. The amount of research and historical depth he put into it was staggering. The movie is absolutely terrible, right from the Hollywood cookie-cutter mold.