Politics & World Events (Reverse) Sheep, Round 2 — Electric Obama-Loo

[The Bus]

<img src="http://zipline.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/sheep_racing.jpg">

<ul>Rules<br>
<li> The object of the game is to out-think everyone by picking answers to questions that are the most unique, but still correct. For example, if the question is "Name a country in Europe", then "Germany" might be a bad answer, but "Lichtenstein" might be a good answer.
<li> The answers to each question are tallied up. Wrong answers are one point above the most common answer.
<li> In the above example question, let's say three people said "Germany", two people said "France", one person said "Denmark" and one person said "Japan". If you answered Germany, you get 3 points, if you said France you get 2 points, Denmark gets 0 points, and Japan gets 4 points.
<li> You may not cheat by using Google, Wikipedia, etc. Use only what's in your head.
<li> The lowest score wins.
<li> <b>New!</b> Certain rounds are considered Lightning Rounds (designated by <b>!!!</b>). In these rounds, scores are <u>doubled</u>. A wrong answer still gets a +1 penalty.
<li> Please send in your answers via PM. Place only one answer per line, without numbers or the question itself. <b>New!</b> Those who do not do this will be penalized 5 points right off the bat.
<li>You have until at least Monday, June 1, at 9:00AM EST to send in answers. The game will begin sometime that week.
</ul>

<ol>The Questions<br>
<li> Name one of <i>the</i> "Inalienable Rights" of man.
<li> Name a state carried by Obama in the 2008 presidential election.
<li> Name a state carried by McCain in the 2008 presidential election.
<li> !!!</b> Name an Asian country.
<li> Name an African-American who currently holds office as a member of Congress, President, or Supreme Court Justice.
<li> !!!</b> Name one of the first twenty US presidents.
<li> Name a nation who is mostly hostile (politically or militarily) towards the United States.
<li> !!!</b> Name a non-documentary theatrically-released film from 1970 onward in which the President of the US was a major character. (The film could be a biopic or entirely fictional).
<li> Name one of the 19th-century conflicts that the US formally engaged in via a formal declaration of war or an explicit Congressional authorization.
<li> Name a corporation or business that is currently a component of the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
<li> Name a 20th-century vice president.
<li> Name a country in the Middle East.
<li> !!!</b> Name a historical / political figure who has appeared on American coins or bills that were in wide circulation (i.e. anything $100 or less).
<li> Name a fictional television show from 1980 onward which dealt primarily with US politics or took place primarily in Washington, DC.
<li> Name a country in the Americas that currently holds or previously held a seat on the UN Security Council.
<li> Name a British Prime Minister who served after 1950.
<li> !!!</b> Name a professional sports team (NBA, NHL, NFL, MLB, or MLS) who has a name that evokes American patriotic symbols/ideals.
<li> Name a US City or US Metropolitan Statistical Area with a population of 3 million or more.
<li> Name a US president that was shot.
<li> !!!</b> Name one of the current United States federal executive departments (for example, the Department of Defense).
<li> Name a country with a per-capita nominal GDP higher than that of the United States. (There's at least ten).
</ol>

Thanks to Jeremy517 for some question help. Enjoy!

[Venusian]

woohoo!

[Venusian]

are you going to have enough pm space?

[The Bus]

Since I'm premium I have 75 spaces, so hopefully that's enough. If I can get ~25 participants like last time, that would be awesome.

[Venusian]

If you leave this open till Monday, you'll probably get more than 25 entries.

[Jeremy517]

For #14, are we talking fictional shows only?

[The Bus]

Yes, #14 is fictional shows. The McNeil-Lehrer Newshour does not count.

[Venusian]

Fictional? So The Factor counts, right? ;)

[Red Dog]

This one is weird. I'm already confused. How can there be a wrong answer to #1?

[Venusian]

"boobs" would be an incorrect answer in this case

[Venusian]

The debate will come in when someone puts one that the EU considers inalienable that the U.S. doesn't

[CRM114]

Those are tough. I entered. Hopefully, the others are not Googling as we speak. I put some lame answers in there.

Damn! I just remembered a Prime Minister! :(

[Venusian]

Those are tough. I entered. Hopefully, the others are not Googling as we speak. I put some lame answers in there.

Damn! I just remembered a Prime Minister! :(

I didn't google. but it would have helped. I bet VinVega googled last time :mad:

[CRM114]

So if you asked "Name a European country" the object is to pick the most obscure one that is still correct. But if everyone picks Lichtenstein and the one person who only knows France or Germany would win that round?

[wishbone]

So if you asked "Name a European country" the object is to pick the most obscure one that is still correct. But if everyone picks Lichtenstein and the one person who only knows France or Germany would win that round?Correct-a-mundo!

[CRM114]

So part of the object is to pick the most obvious answer because no one else will?

Hopefully, that will pay off on my Prime Minister answer.

[The Bus]

So part of the object is to pick the most obvious answer because no one else will?

Hopefully, that will pay off on my Prime Minister answer.

Sometimes the most obvious answer works, sometimes it doesn't. For Europe, for example, Lichtenstein, Monaco, etc. might be "obvious obscure" answers but who would pick, for example, Bulgaria?

[Venusian]

Crap...now i want to change some of my answers

[Red Dog]

"boobs" would be an incorrect answer in this case

A woman doesn't have the inalienable right to touch her own boob?

I just want clarification on what 'the' in italics means?

[CRM114]

Sometimes the most obvious answer works, sometimes it doesn't. For Europe, for example, Lichtenstein, Monaco, etc. might be "obvious obscure" answers but who would pick, for example, Bulgaria?

But who would pick England?

[Venusian]

A woman doesn't have the inalienable right to touch her own boob?

I just want clarification on what 'the' in italics means?

i believe the inalienable rights would be those that are enumerated in a specific document. which document is probably up for debate.

[CRM114]

I just want clarification on what 'the' in italics means?

Isn't it obvious? No need to trawl for the forum for Google terms. ;)

[orangecrush]

Can I use the same state for #2 and #3 ;)

[JasonF]

So part of the object is to pick the most obvious answer because no one else will?

Hopefully, that will pay off on my Prime Minister answer.

Dread Pirate Roberts: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right...and who is dead.

Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Dread Pirate Roberts: You've made your decision then?

Vizzini: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

Dread Pirate Roberts: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

Vizzini: WAIT TILL I GET GOING! Where was I?

Dread Pirate Roberts: Australia.

Vizzini: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Dread Pirate Roberts: You're just stalling now.

Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

[Venusian]

Crap. I didn't even see #3. Doh!

[Red Dog]

i believe the inalienable rights would be those that are enumerated in a specific document. which document is probably up for debate.

Right. So would Red Dog's manifesto count? Who judges whether an answer is wrong?

[JasonF]

Right. So would Red Dog's manifesto count? Who judges whether an answer is wrong?

The Bus judges, with copious input from those of us in the peanut gallery.

[Jeremy517]

Right. So would Red Dog's manifesto count?

I don't think those would count as part of "<b><i>The</i></b>" Inalienable Rights. I think the "the" in italics means "The explicitly listed rights from the most famous list of inalienable rights". It sounds like you are overthinking this one.

[Tracer Bullet]

My knowledge of British politics helped out on that PM question :lol:

I don't know how good my answers are, I guess we'll see.

[Red Dog]

I don't think those would count as part of "<b><i>The</i></b>" Inalienable Rights. I think the "the" in italics means "The explicitly listed rights from the most famous list of inalienable rights". It sounds like you are overthinking this one.

I don't see why not.

Anyway, I just submitted. This one wasn't as fun as the last one.

[Nick Danger]

I guessed wrong on at least two questions. It looks like I'm going to be in the bottom half again. :(

[The Bus]

I thought my answers were obscure. Reading some of the entries, I see they are clearly not. :lol:

Except my TV show & movie answers. Those should do well.

[Pharoh]

I thought my answers were obscure. Reading some of the entries, I see they are clearly not. :lol:

Except my TV show & movie answers. Those should do well.

I know a few of mine will be very popular, but they were what first came to mind. :shrug:

[wmansir]

I submitted last night even though I was dead tired and a bit brain dead. I just checked a few answers I was unsure about and found one was wrong.

[orangecrush]

I was tempted to put down one of the many Native American sports teams and argue that our domination of them makes be feel patriotic. In the end, I decided to go with a less obvious choice. I think that my TV show could either be really good or really bad depending on how others approached the question.

Did anyone else use the same country for multiple answers?

[JasonF]

Don't ask me why, but I have an uneasy feeling that I chose the same sports team as orangecrush.

[The Bus]

Some of these answers will spark discussion.

[orangecrush]

Don't ask me why, but I have an uneasy feeling that I chose the same sports team as orangecrush.The Chicago Bulls? They remind me of our great bull markets and Capitalism. USA! USA! USA!

[CRM114]

Washington Bullets? ...never mind.

[The Bus]

wendersfan, you will have to explain your Frankfurt Galaxy answer when the time comes.

[The Bus]

Most puzzling is that was his answer for the next-to-last question.

[Rockmjd23]

So how open to interpretation is question #1?

[Rockmjd23]

Also, question #7...does the government of the nation have to be hostile to the US or just a significant portion of the population. There are quite a few nations where the government "supports" us but the ruling rebel groups are hostile.

[Red Dog]

Also, question #7...does the government of the nation have to be hostile to the US or just a significant portion of the population. There are quite a few nations where the government "supports" us but the ruling rebel groups are hostile.

I didn't like that question either.

[wishbone]

On a few of the questions I tried some Vizzini reasoning for an answer. This should be an interesting round nonetheless.

[Rockmjd23]

Can the sports teams be defunct?

Also, I'm assuming for #19 that the person didn't have to be President at the time he got shot.

[belboz]

Rockmjd23, I suspect the point of the game is that those types of questions are to be argued during or after scoring. That is, once everyone has submitted their answers, The Bus will publish all the answers and let the forum argue over how they should be scored and then capriciously rule on each answer. Or the order may be reversed, where he just scores it however he feels like, publishes it and lets us all argue it to no avail.

[The Bus]

What usually happens is I get feedback from everyone playing, then rule based on that. This being Politics, I expect a higher, more eloquent level of bickering. ;) :)

[Rockmjd23]

Yeah that's how it pretty much works in Video Game Sheep. I'm just hoping he budges and gives us a few hints ;)

[Mordred]

The bickering is what makes the game enjoyable.

[Rockmjd23]

Since the sports team q is phrased "has a nickname", I'll go with a current team.

[The Bus]

One more

<img src="http://volkerschmid.de/bamp/media/bamplogo.gif">

before the weekend. It would be great to get another 5 or 6 participants.

[orangecrush]

maybe we could get Thor and dave in on this one?

[Rockmjd23]

I'll send my answers in at some point today.

[CRM114]

You aren't Googling are you? ;)

[Rockmjd23]

You aren't Googling are you? ;)
:lol: nope, but I'm still stuck on choices for #1 and #7

[CRM114]

The two easiest questions? :lol:

[orangecrush]

The two easiest questions? :lol:Easy to answer, hard to master.

[Rockmjd23]

The two easiest questions? :lol:
Easy to give popular answers, not so easy to give Reverse Sheep answers. ;)

[orangecrush]

Easy to give popular answers, not so easy to give Reverse Sheep answers. ;)

I'm also considering guessing on a few of them rather than going with what I know to be correct and popular. For instance, the last one....*Shhhh.....Don't say another word, or I will cut you.

[Rockmjd23]

RE: #7 I'm still torn whether to pick a nation that's official government is anti-US, or whether a significant number of militant groups are anti-US.

[wishbone]

I managed to answer the questions correctly; whether they are good Reverse Sheep answers we shall see. :)

[Rockmjd23]

Shhhh.....Don't say another word, or I will cut you.
Haha, I just thought I was giving people ideas..so I edited that out...I suggest you do the same ;)

[orangecrush]

Haha, I just thought I was giving people ideas..so I edited that out...I suggest you do the same ;)Done and done. Though I don't think giving people subtle ideas really works. I have tried it in almost all of these games thus far and have only won once (by virture of the winner being disqualified).

[wishbone]

Done and done. Though I don't think giving people subtle ideas really works. I have tried it in almost all of these games thus far and have only won once (by virture of the winner being disqualified).You're not trying hard enough. ;)

http://i40.tinypic.com/m95zl1.jpg
Wait a minute... look. You dress however you like -- Push-Up Bra -- I just thought...
No, casual's fine. In fact, I know exactly what I'm going to wear!

[orangecrush]

So, Bus, did you get a good number of participants? Can I sit next to my monitor between the hours of 8AM and 8PM tomorrow in anticipation?

[Mordred]

So, Bus, did you get a good number of participants? Can I sit next to my monitor between the hours of 8AM and 8PM tomorrow in anticipation?I wouldn't if I were you. The Bus will say yes, then give us two answers, go on hiatus and then finish up sometime in July.

[orangecrush]

I wouldn't if I were you. The Bus will say yes, then give us two answers, go on hiatus and then finish up sometime in July.To be fair to the Bus, he will probably be watching the Nintendo and Sony press conferences if he has the chance. I know I would.

[The Bus]

Let's check in with the participants. Who do we have today?

Let's check in with Johnny Miller:

[The Bus]

Who do we have today?

Let's check in with Johnny Miller:

<img src="http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0806/they.said.what.stupid.quotes/images/johnny-miller-rocco-mediate.jpg">

[The Bus]

Our players:

wishbone
CRM114
Pharoh
Nick Danger
Tracer Bullet
Red Dog
belboz
Venusian
missflores
wmansir
Birrman54
Mordred
Jason
JasonF
DeltaSigChi4
orangecrush18
Funkpie
maxfisher
arminius
frenchy
Jeremy517
Rockmjd23
feenst
mosquitobite

and last but not least, The Bus, who looks like he should be Venusian's poolboy.

[The Bus]

Wait! Hold on! Looks like there might be a problem with some people's answers. Horacio Elizondo confirms this!

<img src="http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,660975,00.jpg">

[The Bus]

Yes, indeed.

Please send in your answers via PM. Place only one answer per line, without numbers or the question itself. New! Those who do not do this will be penalized 5 points right off the bat.

It looks like right off the bat, there will be penalties given to the following players:

Nick Danger, with the most egregious foul: Writing the questions AND the answers in addition to sending the PM split into two different messages.

Red Dog, for writing the question ahead of the answers, which were in all capitals (AKA CAPS LOCK IS LIKE CRUISE CONTROL FOR BEING COOL)

arminius who numbered the answers.

These players caused a slight delay of game and therefore are penalized 5 points.

[The Bus]

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
belboz : 0
Birrman54 : 0
CRM114 : 0
DeltaSigChi4 : 0
feenst : 0
frenchy : 0
Funkpie : 0
Jason : 0
JasonF : 0
Jeremy517 : 0
maxfisher : 0
missflores : 0
Mordred : 0
mosquitobite : 0
orangecrush18 : 0
Pharoh : 0
Rockmjd23 : 0
The Bus : 0
Tracer Bullet : 0
Venusian : 0
wishbone : 0
wmansir : 0 </font>
arminius : 5
Nick Danger : 5
Red Dog : 5

Consider this the first 22-way tie!

[The Bus]

Question 1: Name one of the "Inalienable Rights" of man.

<img src="http://itsnotnewstome.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/pursuitofhappyness2.jpg">

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness " is one of the most famous phrases in the United States Declaration of Independence. These three aspects are listed among the "inalienable rights" of man.

Let's hope you answered one of these three.

[Red Dog]

I'll take the penalty. Cut and pasting the questions like that made it easier for me to answer with the question right there.

I'll save my ranting for the Q1 discussion. ;)

[orangecrush]

So, are you going to be checking out the news conferences or what? With this game and E3, how can I be expected to get any work done today?

[CRM114]

Let's hope you answered one of these three.

:lol: I don't know how much easier and obvious this question could be. Inalienable was in quotes.

[The Bus]

Liberty


11 Points


CRM114
DeltaSigChi4
frenchy
JasonF
Jeremy517
missflores
Mordred
mosquitobite
Pharoh
The Bus
wmansir


Life

6 Points
arminius
Jason
maxfisher
orangecrush18
Rockmjd23
Venusian


Pursuit of Happiness

2 Points
wishbone
belboz


Wrong Answers (12 points)

The Right to Blink One's Eyes (Red Dog)
Property (Birrman, Nick Danger, Tracer Bullet)*
Right to Worship (Funkpie)
Free Speech (feenst)

* Yes, the right to property is well-established, but it is not one of the three Inalienable Rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence.

[Red Dog]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


Note that there are unalienable rights besides the 3 explicitly mentioned - probably an infinite number.

[Red Dog]

* Yes, the right to property is well-established, but it is not one of the three Inalienable Rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence.


That's not the question you asked.

Also, the Declaration says "unalienable."

[Tracer Bullet]

Note that there are unalienable rights besides the 3 explicitly mentioned - probably an infinite number.

:thumbsup:

Yep, as defined by the Declaration of Independence, unalienable rights include but are not limited to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

[wendersfan]

Note that there are unalienable rights besides the 3 explicitly mentioned - probably an infinite number.You can cut out the Commie talk here and now, comrade. :grunt:

[Funkpie]

ffs

[wishbone]

The right to party like it's 1999. :banana:

[CRM114]

ffs

Insightful. :up:

[Funkpie]

:blush:

[The Bus]

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
belboz : 2
wishbone : 2 </font>
Jason : 6
maxfisher : 6
orangecrush18 : 6
Rockmjd23 : 6
Venusian : 6
arminius : 11
CRM114 : 11
DeltaSigChi4 : 11
frenchy : 11
JasonF : 11
Jeremy517 : 11
missflores : 11
Mordred : 11
mosquitobite : 11
Pharoh : 11
The Bus : 11
wmansir : 11
Birrman54 : 12
feenst : 12
Funkpie : 12
Tracer Bullet : 12
Nick Danger : 17
Red Dog : 17

[orangecrush]

That's not the question you asked.

Also, the Declaration says "unalienable."And you knew what he wanted. That said, I say we let the lawyers brawl it out. If they all agree with you, give you 0 points.

[The Bus]

Question 2: Name a state carried by Obama in the 2008 presidential election.

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/ElectoralCollege2008.svg/800px-ElectoralCollege2008.svg.png">

[orangecrush]

Just tell me this, would Nebraska have been a correct answer for both? I was very tempted.

[Red Dog]

And you knew what he wanted. That said, I say we let the lawyers brawl it out. If they all agree with you, give you 0 points.

I asked for clarification ahead of time. Didn't get a response. If he asked for one of the 3 explicit rights mentioned in the DoI, then of course, I would have answered one of those 3. Then on top of it, to put quotes around "Inalienable" in the question (to suggest the DoI) when the word is really 'unalienable,' makes it all the worse.

[CRM114]

No, Obama carried a Congressional district not a state.

[wishbone]

Just tell me this, would Nebraska have been a correct answer for both? I was very tempted.Carried may be the opportune word but I am sure it would have sparked a lively discussion. ;)

[Venusian]

I'd say NE is wrong for both.

[orangecrush]

I'd say NE is wrong for both.Glad I didn't go that route then. Stupid Obamaha ruining things again.

[Red Dog]

NE is right for McCain, wrong for Obama. McCain won the 2 state-wide electoral votes available under the CDM.

[The Bus]

Thankfully, Nebraska was not an answer anyone gave.

On the other hand...

<img src="http://stormthebarricade.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/indiana_jones.jpg">

[wishbone]

Crap...

[The Bus]

Indiana (4 pts): feenst, maxfisher, mosquitobite, wishbone

Iowa (2 pts): belboz, orangecrush18

Maine (2 pts): Venusian, wmansir

Minnesota (2 pts): Birrman54, JasonF

New Mexico (2 pts): CRM114, NickDanger

Rhode Island (2 pts): Pharoh, Red Dog

Vermont (2 pts): frenchy, Jason

Unique Answers (0 pts): Tracer Bullet (Delaware), Mordred (Illinois), The Bus (Maryland), Rockmjd23 (Masshole), DSC4 (Nevada), Funkpie (Ohio), Jeremy517 (Oregon), missflores (New Jersey), arminius (NH)

[orangecrush]

I asked for clarification ahead of time. Didn't get a response. If he asked for one of the 3 explicit rights mentioned in the DoI, then of course, I would have answered one of those 3. Then on top of it, to put quotes around "Inalienable" in the question (to suggest the DoI) when the word is really 'unalienable,' makes it all the worse.I understand your point. It probably wasn't the best phrased question.
The nice thing about Reverse sheep as a game is that the leader can fall pretty far with any given question. So, a single question will probably not keep you from winning/placing high. I also don’t complain about Bus’ decisions because he obviously puts a lot of effort into these games and we all get a good time out of them. He also tends to be pretty fair.

[The Bus]

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
belboz : 4 </font>
Rockmjd23 : 6
wishbone : 6
Jason : 8
orangecrush18 : 8
Venusian : 8
maxfisher : 10
arminius : 11
DeltaSigChi4 : 11
Jeremy517 : 11
missflores : 11
Mordred : 11
The Bus : 11
Funkpie : 12
Tracer Bullet : 12
CRM114 : 13
frenchy : 13
JasonF : 13
Pharoh : 13
wmansir : 13
Birrman54 : 14
mosquitobite : 15
feenst : 16
Nick Danger : 19
Red Dog : 19

[orangecrush]

Rockmjd23 (Masshole):lol:

[The Bus]

It's my fault on the misspelling. I checked grundlepedia and it was written as inalienable.

[wishbone]

Thanks fellow Hoosiers for picking Indiana... :lol:

[Red Dog]

Red Dog: 7 :D

[Tracer Bullet]

If Rockmjd23 actually answered "Masshole" that should be considered a wrong answer.

[CRM114]

I suck.

[Tracer Bullet]

I understand your point. It probably wasn't the best phrased question.
The nice thing about Reverse sheep as a game is that the leader can fall pretty far with any given question. So, a single question will probably not keep you from winning/placing high. I also don’t complain about Bus’ decisions because he obviously puts a lot of effort into these games and we all get a good time out of them. He also tends to be pretty fair.

I thought the whole point of the game was to argue about the correct answers?

As far as I'm concerned, I have 0 points.

[The Bus]

He did not, Tracer. I just didn't feel like typing the whole word.

Question 3: Name a state carried by McCain in the 2008 presidential election.

<img src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/09/28/us/28gambling-650.jpg">

[The Bus]

Alabama (2 pts): Jeremy517, The Bus

Alaska (2 pts): belboz, maxfisher

Arizona (2 pts): Mordred, Nick Danger

Georgia (2 pts): miss flores, Venusian

Idaho (2 pts): CRM114, Pharoh

Montana (4 pts): arminius, Birrman54, JasonF, Tracer Bullet

Oklahoma (2 pts): feenst, o18

Unique Answers (0 pts): Kansas (Red Dog), Kentucky (mosquitobite), Louisiana (Rockmjd23), Mississippi (wmansir), North Dakota (frenchy), Tennessee (Funkpie), Utah (DSC4), Jaosn (WV), wishbone (wyoming)

[orangecrush]

I thought the whole point of the game was to argue about the correct answers?

As far as I'm concerned, I have 0 points."Why do we play the game? To win the game."

Though, if you want to keep a separate score sheet, go for it ;)

Seriously though, I was originally thinking along the lines of you and Red Dog, but knew he was looking for the 1 of 3. I think it is like in High School when you know what your teacher is looking for, you don't agree with it, but you give them what they want anyway because you want a good grade. It is clear that you and Red Dog where the types to argue with the teacher until they gave you the grade you deserved.

[orangecrush]

Alabama (2 pts): Jeremy517, The Bus

Alaska (2 pts): belboz, maxfisher

Arizona (2 pts): Mordred, Nick Danger

Georgia (2 pts): miss flores, Venusian

Idaho (2 pts): CRM114, Pharoh

Montana (4 pts): arminius, Birrman54, JasonF, Tracer Bullet

Unique Answers (0 pts): Kansas (Red Dog), Kentucky (mosquitobite), Louisiana (Rockmjd23), Mississippi (wmansir), North Dakota (frenchy), Tennessee (Funkpie), Utah (DSC4), Jaosn (WV), wishbone (wyoming)I am going to assume I got negative points for this one.

[Tracer Bullet]

"Why do we play the game? To win the game."

Though, if you want to keep a separate score sheet, go for it ;)

Seriously though, I was originally thinking along the lines of you and Red Dog, but knew he was looking for the 1 of 3. I think it is like in High School when you know what your teacher is looking for, you don't agree with it, but you give them what they want anyway because you want a good grade. It is clear that you and Red Dog where the types to argue with the teacher until they gave you the grade you deserved.

Whatever, this first question has already left a bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing.

[The Bus]

Hey guys, it's time for a 3-way!

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
belboz : 6
Rockmjd23 : 6
wishbone : 6 </font>
Jason : 8
orangecrush18 : 10
Venusian : 10
DeltaSigChi4 : 11
Funkpie : 12
maxfisher : 12
arminius : 13
frenchy : 13
Jeremy517 : 13
missflores : 13
Mordred : 13
The Bus : 13
wmansir : 13
Tracer Bullet : 14
CRM114 : 15
JasonF : 15
mosquitobite : 15
Pharoh : 15
Birrman54 : 16
feenst : 18
Red Dog : 19
Nick Danger : 21

[Red Dog]

"Why do we play the game? To win the game."

Though, if you want to keep a separate score sheet, go for it ;)

Seriously though, I was originally thinking along the lines of you and Red Dog, but knew he was looking for the 1 of 3. I think it is like in High School when you know what your teacher is looking for, you don't agree with it, but you give them what they want anyway because you want a good grade. It is clear that you and Red Dog where the types to argue with the teacher until they gave you the grade you deserved.


I was sold on the fun aspect too - arguing, since the answering of these questions wasn't as fun as the regular sheep one. Now nobody cares to argue with me. ;)

Red Dog: 7

[Tracer Bullet]

Tracer Bullet: 4

[The Bus]

Question 4: Name an Asian country.

<img src="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/flags/ar-lgflag.gif">

Lightning Round

[mosquitobite]

thanks fellow hoosiers for picking indiana... :lol:

:blush:
Bet if you'd known I was playing you wouldn't have... ;)

[CRM114]

...sinking like a stone here. I can't believe Pharoh answered Idaho too. Everyone forgets Idaho exists.

[The Bus]

I've done this before and I'll do it again: Until 1PM EDT, I will allow votes taken on how "right" or "wrong" Tracer Bullet's, Red Dog's, etc. answers were for Question 1. At that point, if we get enough votes to "overturn" the vote, then I will update the scores.

These were the unique answers this time around:

Azerbaijan (Birrman54)
China (Mordred)
India (maxfisher)
Lady making toilet, very nice! (JasonF)
Lebanon (missflores)
Malaysia (belboz)
Maldives (Rockmjd23)
Mongolia (Pharoh)
Myanmar (frenchy)
Nepal (DSC4)
North Korea (Jason)
Oman (Venusian)
Russia (Funkpie)
Tajikistan (Red Dog)
Turkey (Jeremy517)
Vietnam (arminius)

Everyone else, begin quaking in your boots.

[mosquitobite]

Dammit!

[Venusian]

Almost went with Mongolia, glad I didn't.

[Red Dog]

Almost went with Mongolia, glad I didn't.

So did I. Then I remembered the Stans and figured that was fertile ground.

[Venusian]

Although their answers should probably count, I say don't so it helps me :D

[The Bus]

Rest easy. You could've done worse. Remember, this was a lightning round, so scores are doubled.

Bhutan (4): feenst, Tracer Bullet

Cambodia (4): CRM114, o18

Laos (4): The Bus, wmansir

Sri Lanka (4): mosquito, wishbone

I had some Sri Lankan food recently. Delicious. :drool:

[The Bus]

Wait... we're missing someone here. Who is it? And what did they say?

[orangecrush]

Honestly, I think the question was vauge enough that the answers should count. Though in spirit I agree with Venusian.

[wishbone]

skeet you're killin' me here! :lol:

[The Bus]

Oh ho! There's Nick Danger and his answer of... French Indochina.

Sorry, Nick Danger! This, Ottoman Empire, and any number of countries that do not exist are a wrong answer. Five points to you!

[Venusian]

One could argue that Myanmar doesn't exist either if one were so politically inclined to ;)

[The Bus]

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
belboz : 6
Rockmjd23 : 6 </font>
Jason : 8
Venusian : 10
wishbone : 10
DeltaSigChi4 : 11
Funkpie : 12
maxfisher : 12
arminius : 13
frenchy : 13
Jeremy517 : 13
missflores : 13
Mordred : 13
orangecrush18 : 14
JasonF : 15
Pharoh : 15
Birrman54 : 16
The Bus : 17
wmansir : 17
Tracer Bullet : 18
CRM114 : 19
mosquitobite : 19
Red Dog : 19
feenst : 22
Nick Danger : 26


The booth review is looking very favorable. We need more input though.

[CRM114]

Honestly, I think the question was vauge enough that the answers should count. Though in spirit I agree with Venusian.

I think it was pretty clear and the protesting parties answered the way they did to make waves. :) But technically they are correct.

[CRM114]

OK, making up ground on this next one hopefully.

[Rockmjd23]

If Rockmjd23 actually answered "Masshole" that should be considered a wrong answer.
I didn't. :lol:

[The Bus]

Question 5: Name an African-American who currently holds office as a member of Congress, President, or Supreme Court Justice.

<img src="http://iusbvision.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/cynthia_mckinney.jpg">

[Tracer Bullet]

How the fuck did someone else say Bhutan? I hate you so much :lol:

[Venusian]

ah crap. i have so many better answers for the next question than what i put. what was i thinking??

[Tracer Bullet]

Tracer Bullet: 8

[The Bus]

Regrettably, Cynthia McKinney is no longer in Congress.

[Funkpie]

I think it was pretty clear and the protesting parties answered the way they did to make waves. :) But technically they are correct.

I didn't answer the way I did to make waves. Being the 'reverse' sheep, I read too much into the question and figured there were more than the obvious 3 choices. If DoI was specifically cited, I would have answered differently. -John

[orangecrush]

OK, making up ground on this next one hopefully.If that is what you want, you better edit your prior approval of other's answers.

[orangecrush]

Question 5: Name an African-American who currently holds office as a member of Congress, President, or Supreme Court Justice.

<img src="http://iusbvision.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/cynthia_mckinney.jpg">rotfl That is the best picture I have seen in a long time.

[Venusian]

I want to change my answer to Hank Johnson. I'm sure everyone forgot the resident Buddhist in the House.

[The Bus]

Roland Burris (3): feenst, Jason, Venusian

Barack Obama (2): maxfisher, Mordred

Charles Rangel (4): frenchy, Nick Danger, o18, wmansir

Clarence Thomas (3): arminius, mosquitobite, The Bus

Maxine Waters (2): belboz, Funkpie

[The Bus]

All other answers unique.

Jeremy517 (Corrine Brown), wishbone (John Conyers Jr.), Birrman54 (Elijah Cummings), JasonF (Danny Davis), Red Dog (Donna Edwards), CRM114 (Chaka Fattah), Pharoh (Marcia Fudge), missflores (Alcee Hastings), TB (Eleanor Holmes Norton), DSC4 (Sheila Jackson), Rock (David Scott)

I apologize: I assumed Pharoh was being incredibly racist at first.

[The Bus]

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
Rockmjd23 : 6 </font>
belboz : 8
wishbone : 10
DeltaSigChi4 : 11
Jason : 11
Jeremy517 : 13
missflores : 13
Venusian : 13
Funkpie : 14
maxfisher : 14
JasonF : 15
Mordred : 15
Pharoh : 15
arminius : 16
Birrman54 : 16
frenchy : 17
orangecrush18 : 18
Tracer Bullet : 18
CRM114 : 19
Red Dog : 19
The Bus : 20
wmansir : 21
mosquitobite : 22
feenst : 25
Nick Danger : 30

[Rockmjd23]

I apologize: I assumed Pharoh was being incredibly racist at first.
:lol:

[The Bus]

Question 6: Name one of the first twenty US presidents.

<img src="http://rosenblumtv.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/benjamin-franklin.jpg">

[Red Dog]

TB (Eleanor Holmes Norton)

Very slick. I totally forgot about her and she's right next door. He didn't say voting member so you're good.

[The Bus]

Reminder: This is a

<img src="http://thumbnails.cnbc.com/CNBCNews.com/54/752/MM-LightningRound.jpg">

Lightning Round!

[Rockmjd23]

Oh dear, did someone really say Ben Franklin?

[wmansir]

I was handicapped in the last question because the closest black member of congress is 2 states away. Since I couldn't think of an obscure pick I was hoping people would think Rangel was Puerto Rican. :)

[Tracer Bullet]

Very slick. I totally forgot about her and she's right next door. He didn't say voting member so you're good.

I have The Colbert Report to thank for this answer :lol:

[wendersfan]

I was hoping people would think Rangel was Puerto Rican.WTF?

:lol:

[The Bus]

Oh, this one is going to be fucking hilarious.

[Pharoh]

All other answers unique.

Jeremy517 (Corrine Brown), wishbone (John Conyers Jr.), Birrman54 (Elijah Cummings), JasonF (Danny Davis), Red Dog (Donna Edwards), CRM114 (Chaka Fattah), Pharoh (Marcia Fudge), missflores (Alcee Hastings), TB (Eleanor Holmes Norton), DSC4 (Sheila Jackson), Rock (David Scott)

I apologize: I assumed Pharoh was being incredibly racist at first.

:lol:

No, just went with a local gal.

[The Bus]

There were only two unique answers:

George Washington (Mordred, who brilliantly continues going for the obvious answer)
John Adams (arminius)

All other answers were non-unique. And two of them were surprisingly non-unique.

[The Bus]

Let's go through the low-scoring ones first:

James Buchanan (4): Jason, wmansir

James K. Polk (4): feenst, maxfisher

James Madison (4): frenchy, missflores

James Monroe (4): DSC4, Pharoh

John Quincy Adams (4): Jeremy517, The Bus

[The Bus]

Amazingly, no one said Abraham Lincoln, Rutherford B. Hayes, or Millard Fillmore.

[The Bus]

Andrew Jackson (6): Birrman, mosquitobite, Venusian

William Henry Harrison (8): belboz, funkpie, o18, Tracer Bullet

The remaining people had answers split between two presidents.

[wendersfan]

No, just went with a local gal.:up:

O-H..!

[The Bus]

<img src="http://www.melaniedavisjones.com/Graphics/drumroll.gif">

[The Bus]

wishbone, if you're reading, I'm just kidding. Your answer of Ulysses S. Grant was unique.

This means that Franklin Pierce had...

10 pts:
CRM114, JasonF, Nick Danger, Red Dog, Rockmjd23

:lol:

[Funkpie]

Tyler

[Rockmjd23]

No Way:lol:

[CRM114]

Holy crap!

[CRM114]

I truly do suck at this game.

[The Bus]

Which means we have a new leader and possible winrar! <img src="http://double.ucoz.com/vako3/winrar-400-400.jpg" height=40 width=40>

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
wishbone : 10 </font>
DeltaSigChi4 : 15
Jason : 15
Mordred : 15
arminius : 16
belboz : 16
Rockmjd23 : 16
Jeremy517 : 17
missflores : 17
maxfisher : 18
Pharoh : 19
Venusian : 19
frenchy : 21
Birrman54 : 22
Funkpie : 22
The Bus : 24
JasonF : 25
wmansir : 25
orangecrush18 : 26
Tracer Bullet : 26
mosquitobite : 28
CRM114 : 29
feenst : 29
Red Dog : 29
Nick Danger : 40

[Rockmjd23]

I went from first to 5th :( I'll be back!

[wishbone]

wishbone, if you're reading, I'm just kidding. Your answer of Ulysses S. Grant was unique.I just checked my pm because I forgot my answer and thought maybe I was over the 20th pres part and ready to post :doh:...

:lol:

[Red Dog]

Red Dog: 17

[The Bus]

In the interest of fairness and beginning the game's healing process, Toru Kamikawa has decided that the answers from the first round are NOT incorrect.

<img src="http://estaticos01.cache.el-mundo.net/mundial/2006/imagenes/2006/07/09/1152451485_0.jpg">

[Pharoh]

Okay, I have to exit soon, and think I might have to defend this next answer.

[The Bus]

Birrman's, Nick Danger's and Tracer Bullet's scores change from 12 to 3 ("Property").

Funkpie, Red Dog, and feenst all get a score change from 12 to 0 for "Right to worship", "Blink eyes" and "Free Speech" respectively.

[Red Dog]

Okay, I have to exit soon, and think I might have to defend this next answer.

It was a bad question, so I'm likely to give you the benefit of the doubt. Frankly, your answer is probably more right than the one the comes to mind first and foremost.

[The Bus]

We now have a tie!

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
Funkpie : 10
wishbone : 10 </font>
Birrman54 : 13
DeltaSigChi4 : 15
Jason : 15
Mordred : 15
arminius : 16
belboz : 16
Rockmjd23 : 16
feenst : 17
Jeremy517 : 17
missflores : 17
Red Dog : 17
Tracer Bullet : 17
maxfisher : 18
Pharoh : 19
Venusian : 19
frenchy : 21
The Bus : 24
JasonF : 25
wmansir : 25
orangecrush18 : 26
mosquitobite : 28
CRM114 : 29
Nick Danger : 31

[Rockmjd23]

Ok, if those 1st q answers are now correct, I know that my borderline ones the rest of the way will be ok :lol:

[The Bus]

Question 7: Name a nation who is mostly hostile (politically or militarily) towards the United States.

<img src="http://mindarea.googlepages.com/bush_dailymirror_dumb_people.jpg/bush_dailymirror_dumb_people-full.jpg">

[Tracer Bullet]

I went from first to 5th :( I'll be back!

Seventh, actually, but who's counting (everyone)?

[The Bus]

Question to the group, before I post answers:

Is France (as a nation) mostly hostile to the US?

My vote is no.

[CRM114]

So if "blink eyes" is an unalienable right, is aborting a fetus? It's not specified.

[Rockmjd23]

Seventh, actually, but who's counting (everyone)?
grrr...

[CRM114]

Question to the group, before I post answers:

Is France (as a nation) mostly hostile to the US?

My vote is no.

No. France is our ally, obviously.

[orangecrush]

Andrew Jackson (6): Birrman, mosquitobite, Venusian

William Henry Harrison (8): belboz, funkpie, o18, Tracer Bullet

The remaining people had answers split between two presidents.Stupid Ralph :(

[orangecrush]

Well, now that Obama is our president...

[wendersfan]

No. France is our ally, obviously.As an unbiased observer I don't see how any NATO member could be a correct answer.

[The Bus]

Cuba (0): Red Dog

Iran (0): wishbone

Libya (7): Birrman54, feenst, Jason
<img src="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/images/12/28/lane_clicks.jpg">

North Korea (2): arminius, Mordred

Russia (2): JasonF, Pharoh

Somalia (3): CRM114, Funkpie, Rockmjd23

Syria (6): belboz, DSC4, Jeremy517, Tracer Bullet, Venusian, wmansir

and last but not least

Venezuela (6): frenchy, maxfisher, missflores, Nick Danger, The Bus, mosquitobite

[orangecrush]

And France is most certainly politically hostile toward us.

[wishbone]

Is France (as a nation) mostly hostile to the US?Mais non!

[Tracer Bullet]

grrr...

Sorry, ninth. Spoke too soon.

[Tracer Bullet]

Question to the group, before I post answers:

Is France (as a nation) mostly hostile to the US?

My vote is no.

No.

[The Bus]

Wrong Answer (as per wendersfan & others): France (orangecrush18)
7 pts

[CRM114]

I'm not sure Libya is a correct answer.

[Funkpie]

Question to the group, before I post answers:

Is France (as a nation) mostly hostile to the US?

My vote is no.

Arrr...their government isn't, but the populace...perhaps. I'm leaning toward no, but will depend if there are other answers based on the native population being hostile to the US.

[CRM114]

And France is most certainly politically hostile toward us.

How so? In matters of war? Opposing our aggression is not hostility.

[The Bus]

updated later

[Rockmjd23]

No way is France correct.

[Venusian]

Somalia barely has a govt but the one it does, is it really hostile towards us?

[Rockmjd23]

Sorry, ninth. Spoke too soon.
6th now! :mad:

[Tracer Bullet]

Disagreement is not the same thing as hostility.

[CRM114]

Somalia barely has a govt but the one it does, is it really hostile towards us?

Libya's government is not hostile toward us.

[Venusian]

Libya's government is not hostile toward us.

I agree

[The Bus]

I'm not sure Libya is a correct answer.

<img src="http://www.mdc.edu/homestead/PS_Homestead/Images/Animated_Siren.gif"> Developing! <img src="http://www.mdc.edu/homestead/PS_Homestead/Images/Animated_Siren.gif">

[CRM114]

The United States is restoring full diplomatic relations with Libya and removing the North African country from its list of state sponsors of terrorism after 27 years, the State Department announced Monday.

[orangecrush]

How so? In matters of war? Opposing our aggression is not hostility.I was thinking about Iraq and criticism of Bush. Though hostile is much too strong a word to describe them. I will take the beating.

[The Bus]

After careful review, Mills Lane has decided that Libya is, in fact, not a correct answer.

<img src="http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/holyfield_lane.jpg">

(This would've been a correct answer in 2005 or earlier.)

[Venusian]

Now, if Libya isn't correct, can Russia be?

[CRM114]

I'd say no to Russia too. They are borderline. Any hostility they currently have is due to the Bush plan placing nukes in Eastern Europe.

[The Bus]

<img src="http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/W/K/2/palin-russia-house.jpg">

Russia is correct. Why else would we be keeping an eye on them?

[CRM114]

Nice suit!

[Venusian]

I'd say no to Russia too. They are borderline. Any hostility they currently have is due to the Bush plan placing nukes in Eastern Europe.

I'd say hostility is caused by Putin and his determination to be the superpower in the region, but regardless, I don't think there is any more hostility there than from China or other big players like that

[wishbone]

I'd say no to Russia too. They are borderline. Any hostility they currently have is due to the Bush plan placing nukes in Eastern Europe.As far as we know we still have nukes pointed at them as they have them pointed at us.

[The Bus]

OK, let's move on...

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
wishbone : 10 </font>
Funkpie : 13
Birrman54 : 16
Mordred : 17
Red Dog : 17
arminius : 18
Jason : 18
Rockmjd23 : 19
feenst : 20
DeltaSigChi4 : 21
Pharoh : 21
belboz : 22
Jeremy517 : 23
missflores : 23
Tracer Bullet : 23
maxfisher : 24
Venusian : 25
frenchy : 27
JasonF : 27
The Bus : 30
wmansir : 31
CRM114 : 32
orangecrush18 : 33
mosquitobite : 34
Nick Danger : 37

[wendersfan]

I'd say no to Russia too. They are borderline. Any hostility they currently have is due to the Bush plan placing nukes in Eastern Europe.Russia is probably our biggest threat and maybe even our biggest enemy.

[CRM114]

Russia is probably our biggest threat and maybe even our biggest enemy.

Yes but are they HOSTILE.

[CRM114]

I'd say hostility is caused by Putin and his determination to be the superpower in the region, but regardless, I don't think there is any more hostility there than from China or other big players like that

Isn't that their right and obligation to their people?

[The Bus]

Question 8: Name a non-documentary theatrically-released film from 1970 onward in which the President of the US was a major character. (The film could be a biopic or entirely fictional).

<img src="http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9172/idmq080ot9.jpg">

LIGHTNING ROUND

[The Bus]

Russia is probably our biggest threat and maybe even our biggest enemy.

<img src="http://www.vts.intute.ac.uk/detective/image/case-closed-stamp.gif">

[Rockmjd23]

Hopefully I'll make up some ground on this q....

[wendersfan]

<img src="http://www.vts.intute.ac.uk/detective/image/case-closed-stamp.gif">:flowers:

[CRM114]

Do we have diplomatic relations with Russia?

[The Bus]

Unique Answers: Amazing Grace & Chuck (Rockmjd23), Bullworth (Funkpie), Jeremy517 (Clear and Present Danger), Dick (wishbone), Escape from NY (wmansir), First Kid (arminius), The American President (Pharoh), Thirteen Days (missflores)

I really thought my answer was going to be good.

[CRM114]

So Rockmjd23 answered twice? Is that allowed?

[Rockmjd23]

So Rockmjd23 answered twice? Is that allowed?
Amazing Grace & Chuck is the name of the movie. Gregory Peck played the US President.

[The Bus]

<img src="http://sneakerboxx.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/air-jordan-5-air-force-ones-fusion-2.jpg">
Air Force One (6): DSC4, Nick Danger, Venusian



<img src="http://www.dmrinteractive.com/newsletter/art/brawndo.jpg">
Idiocracy (4): feenst, Jason



<img src="http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/turd.jpg">
Vantage Point (6): frenchy, Mordred, The Bus

[The Bus]

So Rockmjd23 answered twice? Is that allowed?

I had to look that one up too. :lol:

[CRM114]

Damn. I need to pick up some ground. :lol:

[wishbone]

Chuck is a TV show. -ohbfrank-

[orangecrush]

Did anyone else answer Dave?

[mosquitobite]

Did anyone else answer Dave?

yes :( it was my hubby's fault

[The Bus]

Mostly, you guys just love seeing aliens blow up DC:

<img src="http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/independence-day.jpg">
ID4 (8): belboz, Birrman, JasonF, Tracer Bullet



<img src="http://arbredespossibles2.free.fr/SF/Images/MarsAttacks2.jpg">
Mars Attacks! (6): CRM114, Red Dog, maxfisher

[The Bus]

Oh, and Dave (4): mosq, o18

[CRM114]

I really thought Mars Attacks was going to be my shining moment. :(

:lol:

[The Bus]

Standings<br> <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #CCFB5D">
wishbone : 10 </font>
Funkpie : 13
arminius : 18
Rockmjd23 : 19
Pharoh : 21
Jason : 22
Jeremy517 : 23
missflores : 23
Mordred : 23
Red Dog : 23
Birrman54 : 24
feenst : 24
DeltaSigChi4 : 27
belboz : 30
maxfisher : 30
Tracer Bullet : 31
Venusian : 31
wmansir : 31
frenchy : 33
JasonF : 35
The Bus : 36
orangecrush18 : 37
CRM114 : 38
mosquitobite : 38
Nick Danger : 43

[Venusian]

I suck at these games

[JasonF]

Wrong Answers (12 points)

The Right to Blink One's Eyes (Red Dog)
Property (Birrman, Nick Danger, Tracer Bullet)*
Right to Worship (Funkpie)
Free Speech (feenst)

* Yes, the right to property is well-established, but it is not one of the three Inalienable Rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence.

I'm waaaaaaaaay late to this thread, os forgive me if this has already been hashed to pieces, but Locke's formulation was "life, liberty, and property." So I would give credit to the people who answered "property."

[Rockmjd23]

4th! You top 3 are on notice now!

(not really)

[Tracer Bullet]

I hate these games so much

I wish I had a real job so I had productive work to do instead of this crap.

[Funkpie]

I hate these games so much

I wish I had a real job so I had productive work to do instead of this crap.

Multi-task baby!

[JasonF]

This means that Franklin Pierce had...

10 pts:
CRM114, JasonF, Nick Danger, Red Dog, Rockmjd23

:lol:

Son of a @(&^#@(!

[Jeremy517]

Bullworth (Funkpie)

Bulworth is wrong, I think. Bulworth was a Senator. It has been a while since I saw it, but I don't remember the president being in it at all.

[Tracer Bullet]

Multi-task baby!

I don't have anything to multi-task with. :(

Well, that's not true. I do. I just don't care about any of it.

[JasonF]

In the interest of fairness and beginning the game's healing process, Toru Kamikawa has decided that the answers from the first round are NOT incorrect.

<img src="http://estaticos01.cache.el-mundo.net/mundial/2006/imagenes/2006/07/09/1152451485_0.jpg">

Boooooooooooo! Throw question 1 out entirely if you want to do this. Most of us stick to the three we thought you had in mind, which by definition meant we were more likely to match than Captain Eye Blink over there. If I knew we could order off menu, I would have gone with "The right not to have troops quartered in your home during peacetime" or something like that.

[The Bus]

We'll take a break. I have a... uh... work videoconference.

Yeah, that's it.

[Jeremy517]

Bulworth is wrong, I think. Bulworth was a Senator. It has been a while since I saw it, but I don't remember the president being in it at all.

IMDB has no characters named "President ______", for what its worth.

[Tracer Bullet]

Bulworth is wrong, I think. Bulworth was a Senator. It has been a while since I saw it, but I don't remember the president being in it at all.

Good catch! Bulworth is a wrong answer.

[Rockmjd23]

Bulworth is wrong, I think. Bulworth was a Senator. It has been a while since I saw it, but I don't remember the president being in it at all.
Oh snap! You're right, I think. If the President was in it, I don't recall it being a prominent enough role either.

[Venusian]

I think I'm going to crash and burn in the next question

[Red Dog]

Boooooooooooo! Throw question 1 out entirely if you want to do this. Most of us stick to the three we thought you had in mind, which by definition meant we were more likely to match than Captain Eye Blink over there. If I knew we could order off menu, I would have gone with "The right not to have troops quartered in your home during peacetime" or something like that.

That's your own fault. I questioned it days ago, so you had to know I would go off the menu and argue about it. You could have taken the same risk - and from a cost/benefit analysis, it was worth it since 3 answers were very likely (and each would get a number of votes) and I would only get 1 more point than the most common if I was ruled wrong.