Well, guess who had their first gigantic box via DCBS waiting outside their door today :D
Yeah, I feel a bit bad, but I moved away from the store I worked at once, & the store nearest me sucks ass so really I had no choice. I will never stop getting comics, it's not something I can grow out of, but I've cut what I get more than in half & every month I cut more & more monthlies out.
I have to admit, this is pretty sweet though, since the orders are placed 2 months ago, I have no clue what I ordered, so it's like coming home to an extremely geeky X-mas present waiting for me.
Here are some pics of my very first order, more pics on my twitter.
One month's worth of comics. . .
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00616.jpg?t=1246310180
I still can't resist the occasional statue, the WW sculpt on this is awesome. . .
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00617.jpg?t=1246310229
The best part of this month, 2 beautiful new Omnibie from my favorite writer!
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00618.jpg?t=1246310306
fujishig
06-29-09, 05:32 PM
Wow you collect a lot of monthly comics! I'm curious to see your longbox setup.
My orders from mail order comics are usually 90% tpbs...
stingermck
06-29-09, 09:43 PM
Yeah me and a friend have doing it for years now with no regrets. My LCS was only 15% off and run my assholes.
We combine our orders and recently upgraded to weekly shipping which is even better. And like you said, you order so far in advance every shipment is a surprise!
burnside986
06-30-09, 12:26 AM
Nice call on Sleeper. Picked that up last week myself.
slop101
06-30-09, 11:38 AM
The best part of this month, 2 beautiful new Omnibie from my favorite writer!
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00618.jpg?t=1246310306I just finished reading the Iron Fist Omni (it's pretty great), and Bru's DD is next on tap.
The only bummer with these newer Marvel Omnis is that the pages are a bit thinner than ones from a few years ago - I guess anything to save money, right?
Sessa17
06-30-09, 04:33 PM
Wow you collect a lot of monthly comics! I'm curious to see your longbox setup.
If you are a pure comic book fan, you just have to support the monthlies. There are messages & articles by Brubaker who is my favorite writer, Garth Ennis, Marc Waid & others who all plead for people to buy monthlies & they explain why the medium will indeed die if everyone turns to trade waiters. Plus, Brubaker did a great piece on how the creators don't see a dime from trade sales, & there are so few great writers & artists today, that the good ones deserve to be supported when they put out a great monthly. I know it's getting harder & harder with increasing prices though.
That said, that pile above has been about chopped in half in my newest order, I am trying to only buy the books I really love in their monthly format.
MBoyd
06-30-09, 04:38 PM
Well, guess who had their first gigantic box via DCBS waiting outside their door today :D
Yeah i just got mine as well with the two Brubaker Omnis. I'm down to about 8-10 floppies though.
Patman
06-30-09, 05:21 PM
If you're a fan of Brubaker's crime stuff (Criminal) and non-Marvel super-hero stuff (Incognito), to get all the goodies, you have to buy the monthlies because the TPBs leave out some of the goodies at the back of the monthlies.
I just don't like TPBs because I have this weird thing about breaking the spines of TPBs if I want to see the artwork from edge-to-edge, and 2-page spreads really makes me want to break the spines to see all of the artwork.
fujishig
06-30-09, 05:43 PM
If you are a pure comic book fan, you just have to support the monthlies. There are messages & articles by Brubaker who is my favorite writer, Garth Ennis, Marc Waid & others who all plead for people to buy monthlies & they explain why the medium will indeed die if everyone turns to trade waiters. Plus, Brubaker did a great piece on how the creators don't see a dime from trade sales, & there are so few great writers & artists today, that the good ones deserve to be supported when they put out a great monthly. I know it's getting harder & harder with increasing prices though.
That said, that pile above has been about chopped in half in my newest order, I am trying to only buy the books I really love in their monthly format.
I understand the need to buy the monthlies... but I've been burned too many times where I haven't even finished reading the series and the HC is solicited, often with extra material. Marvel does this for every book they release. DC doesn't collect EVERYTHING yet, but they do collect most things, though I like some of their monthlies enough to continue on with them.
I am surprised that the creators don't get money from the trades. I could see this happening back in the day, but isn't it in their contracts now that nearly everything is collected?
I do appreciate what Brubaker is doing with Criminal, though. Having extra content is the best way to get people to pick up the monthlies.
Meatwad's Ghost
06-30-09, 10:28 PM
If it wasn't for the online stores I wouldn't be collecting comics. Nearest shop is like 45 mins away and no real discounts. I think 10% if I have a monthly pull list. Wouldn't mind supporting them, it's just cost me more in gas and time to get there. I do hit one twice a year because they have a 40% off general merchandise, and you never know what you might find buried on the shelves. I can get to a Borders with a 30% off coupon in about 30 mins.
The creators need to redo their contracts, I could see some books some day just going straight into a more trade like books, i.e. Manga. Like Patman, I don't care for the broken spine look, so I'm only really collecting Hardbacks right now certain titles like Star Wars I get the TPB since they'll probable never get a HC edition. And when I get the book case I can have the books on shelves then having long boxes stacked in a closet or corner, like I'm embarrassed by them, I'm not just no place to put them. The long box almost seems like a tomb, very seldom do I ever go back and reread a monthly. Of course I still have about 4,000 singles I'm looking to trade/sale off.
Sessa, would love to see pics of your whole shelf. Like checking out others shelves for inspiration.
fujishig
07-01-09, 02:07 PM
Just to note, most manga does not just go straight out into tpb form. Sure, they do in America, but these are translated works that were released in multiple formats in Japan (first in weekly/monthly/quarterly anthologies, then as collections). I don't know for sure, but the cost of licensing and translating a work that has already made the majority of it's money somewhere else should be cheaper than actually commissioning that work in the first place. So while it's easy to get spoiled by the relative cheapness of manga, and the sometimes lightning quick release schedule, we have to remember that it's not the same.
The big problem with trade-only releases seems to be that either the creators or the publishers will have to go a long time without really getting paid, or really knowing the demand of the item in question (this is in addition to the extra revenue monthlies get with ads). And then there's a general stigma on stuff that goes straight to tpb, for whatever reason.
Similar argument for TV and TV on DVD when it comes to effect on ratings or sales determining whether a series gets renewed. Though at least TV is free. I swear if there were someplace where you could just rent and read through monthlies, I might drop the habit altogether.
Patman
07-01-09, 06:32 PM
I swear if there were someplace where you could just rent and read through monthlies, I might drop the habit altogether.
Have you heard about the Longbox Digital Comics Project?
I swear if there were someplace where you could just rent and read through monthlies, I might drop the habit altogether.
Hmmmm. . . I may have to start up a business. I have enough stuff.
Sessa17
07-01-09, 06:44 PM
Sessa, would love to see pics of your whole shelf. Like checking out others shelves for inspiration.
Unfortunately I don't have my stuff displayed. I moved into an apartment with 3 roomates & most of my stuff is in boxes until I can afford to get my own place. I have a really crappy shelf up just to put up stuff I recently read, but most of my stuff is still in boxes or massive unread piles. I posted these pics a while ago, & these piles have only gotten bigger since then. . .
The boxes of unread monthlies. . .
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00199.jpg
These have been read since taking this pic. . .
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00201.jpg
Older pic, but here is a shelf for you to look at. . .
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00264.jpg
Meatwad's Ghost
07-02-09, 09:22 PM
Sessa, great collection. Right now I think about 90% of my books are in the unread pile, usually I read a lot during the winter, but got too many projects over the winter, unfortunately not much pay with them (not much pay in volunteer work). The Milk & Cheese box is that a collected book? I have one of their TPBs and enjoy it.
dx23
07-02-09, 11:32 PM
I'm in the current situation where I'm only buying trade collections, preferably in hardcover if it is available. Amazon.com and Borders with the 30% off coupons have been the main stores I've used. Any other suggestions of where to buy online and B&M? I'm currently in North Carolina, so shipping is not a problem anymore.
slop101
07-02-09, 11:41 PM
Since this thread was instigated by a purchase from DCBS, I'd like to point that that while they have great prices, their search is for shit, and I couldn't find a goddamn thing on their site.
Meatwad's Ghost
07-03-09, 11:32 AM
I'm in the current situation where I'm only buying trade collections, preferably in hardcover if it is available. Amazon.com and Borders with the 30% off coupons have been the main stores I've used. Any other suggestions of where to buy online and B&M? I'm currently in North Carolina, so shipping is not a problem anymore.
I use DCBS for preorders when I know I'm going to really want it, checking the specials is where you can get the omnibuses and Absolutes for 50% off and other books mostly Marvel/DC but some other publishers get in there too. If the book is already out I go to http://www.instocktrades.com they carry only TBPs and HBs for 30%-35% off. All orders over $50 is free shipping, and their shipping is better than Amazons.
Once to twice a year http://www.tfaw.com has a huge sale that will get up to 85% off. They have nick and dent books for 50% off and sometimes more, I've only had minor problems with the nick and dents, in most cases they were still better quality than a book store. Get on their email list to get the deals.
For B&M Borders with the 40% off coupon is really good. At times they will mark a book down and you can use the 40% off the marked down price (sometimes up to cashier) I got the Lost Girls box set for $40 earlier this year using that method. The cashier was not happy with me and tried to talk me out of buying it, because of the minor damage on it.
Sessa17
07-03-09, 02:03 PM
Sessa, great collection
Thanks but that's not even 1/100th of my collection. That's just a couple of random pictures of a shelf, & some unread piles.
The Milk & Cheese box is that a collected book? I have one of their TPBs and enjoy it.
No, that's just the box for Milk & Cheese action figures.
cranberries fan
07-03-09, 03:36 PM
I don't know what DCBS is all about but for me I am all CBR for my collection of comic-books from now on.
It's that much better far less space (no long-boxes and no fingerprints on fav's anymore).
I have over 40Gigs of comics and that enough for me!
dx23
07-03-09, 04:57 PM
I use DCBS for preorders when I know I'm going to really want it, checking the specials is where you can get the omnibuses and Absolutes for 50% off and other books mostly Marvel/DC but some other publishers get in there too. If the book is already out I go to http://www.instocktrades.com they carry only TBPs and HBs for 30%-35% off. All orders over $50 is free shipping, and their shipping is better than Amazons.
Once to twice a year http://www.tfaw.com has a huge sale that will get up to 85% off. They have nick and dent books for 50% off and sometimes more, I've only had minor problems with the nick and dents, in most cases they were still better quality than a book store. Get on their email list to get the deals.
For B&M Borders with the 40% off coupon is really good. At times they will mark a book down and you can use the 40% off the marked down price (sometimes up to cashier) I got the Lost Girls box set for $40 earlier this year using that method. The cashier was not happy with me and tried to talk me out of buying it, because of the minor damage on it.
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm building my trade collections and all those places seem perfect.
fujishig
07-03-09, 05:21 PM
I don't know what DCBS is all about but for me I am all CBR for my collection of comic-books from now on.
It's that much better far less space (no long-boxes and no fingerprints on fav's anymore).
I have over 40Gigs of comics and that enough for me!
Cheaper too! Oh, wait...
Sessa17
07-05-09, 01:39 PM
Just placed my July order. The book I'm most excited about for this order is the limited edition Strangers In Paradise Omnibus. The complete series collected in 2 Hardcovers in a slipcase, that is just awesome & DCBS has it for under $80. Aside from that it's a rather weak month.
fujishig
07-05-09, 01:46 PM
Just placed my July order. The book I'm most excited about for this order is the limited edition Strangers In Paradise Omnibus. The complete series collected in 2 Hardcovers in a slipcase, that is just awesome & DCBS has it for under $80. Aside from that it's a rather weak month.
It's actually three HCs, isn't it, with the third collecting the covers to the series. Half off ain't bad... :)
Invincible vol 5 Ultimate Collection is also in the July Previews. The Criminal Omnibus is finally in the Previews section, but is not available to order from the July Previews... :(
Sessa17
07-05-09, 01:51 PM
The Criminal Omnibus is finally in the Previews section, but is not available to order from the July Previews... :(
The Criminal Omnibus was in last month's DCBS order. I just checked my June order, I ordered it. $24.95.
kevin75
07-06-09, 05:06 PM
i may the voice of dissent here, but the last couple of months have been very lean for me from DCBS. last month there was only one definite book for me to get, but it was only about $15 or so, which ordering by itself would have negated the savings. looking at this month's selections, i only see one 'maybe' book. while it's sad not to place my order for two months in a row, it does give my wallet a break.
Meatwad's Ghost
07-06-09, 10:31 PM
For this month the R. Crumb book looks interesting. The Strangers Omnibus sounds interested but have never read the book before, just heard some great stuff about it. I'll probable hold off again this month. I'll just save up for the books I know I would end up buying at some point like Astonishing X-Men Omnibus and Tomb of Dracula Omni 2.
stingermck
07-06-09, 10:43 PM
Here's this months order for me, which was on the high side. Last month was about $200. A friend and I order together to save on shipping. I get DC, he gets Marvel. I order all the singles, and after we read them, eBay em. I buy a ton more comics thanks to DCBS than I ever did at LCS.
ADVENTURE COMICS #2
BATGIRL #2
BATMAN #690
BATMAN AND ROBIN #4
BATMAN BATTLE FOR THE COWL HC *Special Discount*
BATMAN STREETS OF GOTHAM #4
BLACKEST NIGHT #3 (OF 8)
CABLE DEADPOOL VOL 1 IF LOOKS COULD KILL TP
CLASSIC GI JOE TP VOL 05
DEADPOOL #15
DEADPOOL PREM HC VOL 02 DARK REIGN
DEADPOOL SUICIDE KINGS PREM HC *Special Discount*
DETECTIVE COMICS #857
FLASH REBIRTH #6 (OF 6)
GI JOE #9
GI JOE COBRA SPECIAL #1 *Special Discount*
GI JOE ORIGINS TP VOL 01 *Special Discount*
GOTHAM CITY SIRENS #4
GREEN LANTERN #46 (BLACKEST NIGHT)
GREEN LANTERN AGENT ORANGE HC
GREEN LANTERN EMERALD ECLIPSE HC
HACK SLASH SERIES #27 B CVR ISAACS (MR)
JUSTICE LEAGUE CRY FOR JUSTICE #3 (OF 7)
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #37
PUNISHER #9
PUNISHER FRANK CASTLE MAX #74 (MR)
RED ROBIN #4
RUNAWAYS GOOD DIE YOUNG PREM HC
SAGA OF THE SWAMP THING HC BOOK 02 (MR)
SPIDER-MAN BIG CHEST GRAY T/S LG (C: 0-1-3)
SPIDER-WOMAN #1 (RES) *Special Discount* Limit 2 at 75% off.
SUPERGIRL #45
SUPERMAN BATMAN #64
SUPERMAN SECRET ORIGIN #1 (OF 6) *Special Discount*
SUPERMAN WORLD OF NEW KRYPTON #7 (OF 12)
TEEN TITANS #75 (NOTE PRICE)
TITANS #17
TRANSFORMERS ALL HAIL MEGATRON TP VOL 02
TRANSFORMERS BEAST WARS OMNIBUS TP
TRINITY TP VOL 03
ULTIMATUM PREM HC *Special Discount*
ULTIMATUM REQUIEM PREM HC
ULTIMATUM SPIDER-MAN PREM HC
UNCANNY X-MEN HC MANIFEST DESTINY *Special Discount*
WITCHBLADE #130 MELO SARA CVR B *FREE PRINT* *Special Discount* Limit 2 per customer at 75% off.
W/ Weekly Shipping: $342.91
davidh777
07-06-09, 10:57 PM
I cringed at the $54.99 tag on this at my LCS, but 32.99 at DCBS is tempting
Just placed my July order. The book I'm most excited about for this order is the limited edition Strangers In Paradise Omnibus. The complete series collected in 2 Hardcovers in a slipcase, that is just awesome & DCBS has it for under $80. Aside from that it's a rather weak month.
I'm hoping my order for this sticks. I placed an order on the 5th and had issues adding it to my cart. Eventually, I was able to get it in there and checkout. I emailed Cameron and he said that they did indeed already sell out of their allotment. Hopefully I made the cut. I really want this.
I do agree though that the DCBS site is pretty awful for searches. Same for Instocktrades. I wish they would do something about that because I have the worst time trying to find specific things.
ivelostr2
07-09-09, 02:31 PM
I'm hoping my order for this sticks. I placed an order on the 5th and had issues adding it to my cart. Eventually, I was able to get it in there and checkout. I emailed Cameron and he said that they did indeed already sell out of their allotment. Hopefully I made the cut. I really want this.
I checked today, and it isn't on there any more, I hope mine went through as well.
I didn't have any issues adding it to my cart when i ordered, but I also ordered it on the 5th...have they sold out of something limited before, and not been able to honor orders that went through?
Sessa17
07-09-09, 04:44 PM
I checked today, and it isn't on there any more, I hope mine went through as well.
I didn't have any issues adding it to my cart when i ordered, but I also ordered it on the 5th...have they sold out of something limited before, and not been able to honor orders that went through?
Terry Moore posted that Diamond will only be getting 500 copies of it. And that it is a one time print run, so hopefully I get mine. It's still showing up in my account, but I won't be happy until it is in my hands.
boredsilly
07-09-09, 05:53 PM
Pretty much what Sessa said. I'm not getting rid of my near complete HC collection, until I have this in hand. Since the print run is so low, and the DCBS discount was so great, I'm not banking on this. We shall see.
Patman
07-10-09, 08:17 PM
Bummer, I had been on the fence on the SiP Omnibus. I guess I'll see if my LCS can put in an order and hope for the best.
Any other online places offering it for pre-order still?
boredsilly
07-13-09, 02:20 PM
This is the email I recieved regarding the SIP omni
"
Hi Kenneth,
Because we are not entirely sure how many copies we will be receiving, we have not canceled any orders for this item. If we are not able to fill this item for you, we will remove it from your order and issue a credit to your account.
Please let us know if you have any more questions. We appreciate your business!
Thanks,
Josh"
ivelostr2
07-13-09, 04:47 PM
This is the email I recieved regarding the SIP omni
"
Hi Kenneth,
Because we are not entirely sure how many copies we will be receiving, we have not canceled any orders for this item. If we are not able to fill this item for you, we will remove it from your order and issue a credit to your account.
Please let us know if you have any more questions. We appreciate your business!
Thanks,
Josh"
Yikes, now I'm kinda worried I'm not gonna get it. I wonrder how many they sold before taking it down...
The Bus
07-14-09, 05:49 PM
If you are a pure comic book fan, you just have to support the monthlies.
No, I don't.
Sessa17
07-14-09, 08:04 PM
No, I don't.
You are a casual fan then, not the type I was referring to.
ScottsdaleSaint
07-14-09, 09:40 PM
You are a casual fan then, not the type I was referring to.
I think expecting hardcore fans to support titles by purchasing them multiple times is more than a bit much. Before you say, don't buy the HC's...are you serious? They are printed on nicer paper, wrapped in a much better package, and a whole lot more likely to be read mulitple times if they sit on a shelf, than a stack of weeklies sitting in a longbox. I have over 25,000 comics, but the days of buying more than a half dozen or so books a week are long gone. The wallet is way too weak for that, and with title prices averaging 3.50 or more, collections have way more value.
Sessa17
07-14-09, 10:13 PM
I think expecting hardcore fans to support titles by purchasing them multiple times is more than a bit much.
I don't know what you are talking about. I never said anything about purchasing titles multiple times.
Before you say, don't buy the HC's...are you serious?
Again, what are talking about? Why would I say that? Have you seen any of the pics I've posted of my shelves overflowing with my hardcovers? Quality titles need do need to be supported in their monthly format, that is all I stated.
Creators themselves say the same thing, or those titles will die. To me, if you are a fan of the medium, you don't want to see the few truly quality books disappear, thus, you buy them in the monthly format. If you don't care, then you are just a casual fan, which again, is not who I was initially referring to.
ScottsdaleSaint
07-14-09, 10:26 PM
You stated, that if you're a 'pure comic book fan' you must buy the monthlies...I'm not going to say someone that has switched over to purchasing TPB's is less a comic fan than I am. I still buy monthlies (about fifteen titles), a few of which I upgrade to HC's when they are issued. You obviously love the HC format (as I do), so saying a pure comic fan must buy monthlies, it's implied that a lot of serious fans whom love the HC format, also must buy both to be considered as such, ergo, the double dip. That is purchasing a title twice, and maybe more, if you purchased the smaller six issue HC, and then repurchase a bigger yearly HC, or Omnibus.
I'm seriously not trying to disrespect you here, I'm just saying that people that buy TPB's only deserve respect as collectors, just like the rest of us.
Trevor
07-15-09, 01:11 AM
Sessa,
I think you're wrong. Blind loyalty and fans throwing money into something not giving them a fair entertainment value is not the answer.
Times have changed, and monthlies are not delivering the same amount of entertainment value/per adjusted dollar as they used to. For the first 50 or so years of comic books, one hour's wages bought 5-10 comic books. Now it buys less than 2. The price of comics has gone up more than other entertainment media.
Times change, comic publishers have to change. I don't have the answers, but blaming the fans for "not supporting comics" is not an option.
boredsilly
07-15-09, 08:22 AM
My only take on monthly vs collected issues is this -- it isn't my job to prop up the industry. My only requirement when it comes to comics is to get the books in the format I most prefer through the venues available to me. For me that's trades through the library. I definitely hear Sessa's point, but I think it gets muddled with the use of "casual" v "hardcore" because that carries a connotation of elitism with it. I'm not saying that is what was intended, but that's how it can come across. Mark Waid might come out and say "In order for this book to survive, you have to buy the monthlies". That would be great for him, and the companies he works for, but as a consumer that doesn't work for me. It is up to those guys to make comics enticing enough for people to eschew the collected edition for the monthly. Viking has done this, Casanova and Criminal have too, as well as things like Proof and Wednesday Comics. Now, their efforts don't always work, but again, it is on the publishers to sell their products, not for me to support the books I like in a format I do not.
I consider myself a pretty major comic fan. I get about a dozen + trades through the library every month, go to one con each year, and spend a lot of time following the happenings on forums and websites. I just found a way to do that that doesn't break my bank account.
Patman
07-15-09, 01:30 PM
If you're only borrowing TPBs to read, you're not really supporting the industry, just gaining some entertainment from it. As long as there are enough people buying the monthlies/floppies, then TPBs will continue to be published, but if monthlies/floppies get cancelled, no more TPBs for the trade-waiters. If you buy the TPBs, at least you're supporting the publishers, who can then use the profits to pay the talent to create more comic-related content to publish, et al. Anyhow, it's mainly the titles with the smaller print runs that need the monthly support as the bread-n-butter titles that DC/Marvel put out will continue to have TPBs offered since the print runs are high enough to maintain the title's publication, and they have pretty much decided that the 5-6 issue arc is the way to go with putting out comics these days (since they typically go with year-long contracts for many of the creative teams, unless fill-ins are needed due to work pace of artists, or editorial mandates, which gives publishers 2 TPBs worth of material for each year of monthlies).
fujishig
07-15-09, 02:05 PM
I've noticed that Marvel has started to price it's trades pretty much at the price of their monthlies now (as opposed to the trades being much cheaper than collecting them monthly). They have small five issue tpbs that are around 15 bucks, non hardcover.
So back to my original question: in this day and age, are there really creators that only get compensated for how well the book does as a monthly and not in trade form?
Sessa17
07-15-09, 05:50 PM
Sessa,
I think you're wrong. Blind loyalty and fans throwing money into something not giving them a fair entertainment value is not the answer.
I never said anything about blind loyalty or throwing money at something not giving fair entertaiment. Blind loyalty is too expensive, I agree. All I'm saying is to support the truly great books monthly. I am not talking to the people that read 3 comics a month or just pick up X-men or whatever. I'm talking about people that love good comics, let's say Criminal for instance. There are not a lot of comics like that being published, so if you are a big fan, would you not want more quality comics like that? And thus, buying it every month, supports a quality title like that to continue on. I'm all for switching to trades, I've been doing it, I'm just saying for the really good stuff, especially the books like Criminal that offer extra content, I still feel deserve to be supported in their monthly format.
boredsilly
07-15-09, 10:20 PM
If you're only borrowing TPBs to read, you're not really supporting the industry, just gaining some entertainment from it.
Not true. My library system buys tons of trades, and they get that money from me and other tax payers. Ask any creator if they want their books in libraries and the overwhelming answer is yes. The more people that check those books out, the more trades the library buys. I'm not concerned with supporting the industry per se, but checking stuff out at the library does help after a fashion.
There are something like 120k libraries in the US. Comic creators are salivating to get their books in those places.
fujishig
07-16-09, 01:58 AM
I never said anything about blind loyalty or throwing money at something not giving fair entertaiment. Blind loyalty is too expensive, I agree. All I'm saying is to support the truly great books monthly. I am not talking to the people that read 3 comics a month or just pick up X-men or whatever. I'm talking about people that love good comics, let's say Criminal for instance. There are not a lot of comics like that being published, so if you are a big fan, would you not want more quality comics like that? And thus, buying it every month, supports a quality title like that to continue on. I'm all for switching to trades, I've been doing it, I'm just saying for the really good stuff, especially the books like Criminal that offer extra content, I still feel deserve to be supported in their monthly format.
I agree. But saying you HAVE to support the monthlies if you're a pure comic book fan is what I think people take issue with. Not a huge deal, but if someone prefers trades, then they're still supporting the industry. Now pirates, and moochers who sit around the bookstore reading and bending all the tpbs are a whole other thing... :)
Patman
07-16-09, 05:25 PM
Not true. My library system buys tons of trades, and they get that money from me and other tax payers. Ask any creator if they want their books in libraries and the overwhelming answer is yes. The more people that check those books out, the more trades the library buys. I'm not concerned with supporting the industry per se, but checking stuff out at the library does help after a fashion.
There are something like 120k libraries in the US. Comic creators are salivating to get their books in those places.
But by your logic, every taxpayer is supporting the comic industry via library purchases of TPB. That's a very inactive manner to support the comic industry, and it doesn't really promote the publication of new material through sales that show publishers what titles sell enough copies to continue with the titles.
The reason any comic creator wants their work in libraries is to be more marketable for the next project. If they are the actual publishers of the work and actually derive profits from getting their books in the library system, good for them.
boredsilly
07-16-09, 08:01 PM
Well I don't know the ins and outs of creator royalties, but I'm sure the people who did the work get a cut of the profits of sales to libraries along with the publisher.
I concede the point about not showing publishers what new titles sell because of interest, but the library exists to serve it's users. If no one ever checked out comics, they would scale those back (or not carry them at all), just like whenever there is a major release the library buys dozens of copies of a book (per branch) because they know their is a demand there. So I maintain that by checking out books, I (and others) let the library know that they have users interested in funny books, and they then buy more. They are going to spend the tax payer money on books and media any way, why not on the things I'm actually interested in?
But ultimately, if it doesn't help the industry, I'm ok with that. That isn't really my concern. I love reading comics, but it's up to the various big wigs of comics to worry about the sustainability of the market and it's current trends and shit. I just like reading hte books. -wink-
jones
07-17-09, 05:10 AM
A small group of us buy our comics from a former comic shop owner who still has a Diamond account. I get everything at 35% off including independents and statues. I think all you need to purchase is at least $400 per month from Diamond to maintain an account, There are about 15 of us who buy books from him.
Sessa17
07-17-09, 06:07 PM
I think all you need to purchase is at least $400 per month from Diamond to maintain an account, There are about 15 of us who buy books from him.
I use to run a store, so I know the ins & outs of Diamond. You need to order $500 minimun, & it's going to be $750 soon to open an account. But at the lower tier you only get a $25 % discount.
Sessa17
08-04-09, 05:13 PM
Got my second DCBS order in the mail today, lots of good stuff. . .
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00670.jpg?t=1249420198
By far, the 2 best comics of 2009, should be mandatory reading for any fan of the medium
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00671.jpg?t=1249420233
I absolutely love these lead figurines. I've always been more of a DC guy, so I've really become addicted to the DC one. This is the best one ever though, Deathstroke rules.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00669.jpg?t=1249420294
MBoyd
08-04-09, 05:31 PM
I got the Preacher HC too today. I guess I thought it was going to be the same size as the Y The Last Man HCs.
slop101
08-04-09, 05:46 PM
By far, the 2 best comics of 2009, should be mandatory reading for any fan of the medium
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/DSC00671.jpg?t=1249420233
So your Asetrios Polyp's dust jacket is all messed up too? I thought it was just mine. ;)
deto
08-04-09, 06:12 PM
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boredsilly
08-05-09, 02:23 AM
You read both Asterios and Hunter the day you got them?
Sessa17
08-05-09, 04:37 PM
You read both Asterios and Hunter the day you got them?
I read about half of Asterios last week visiting friends in NYC & stopped reading it knowing I was going to get it , & my roommate got Hunter the day it came out.
slop101
08-05-09, 05:19 PM
Is Hunter good enough that I can overlook my negative feelings on the art?
Darwyn Cooke's art reminds me of low-grade made for TV animation, and while that might be serviceable for superheroes, it seems like it would be inappropriate for something like Hunter.
Sessa17
08-05-09, 06:13 PM
Is Hunter good enough that I can overlook my negative feelings on the art?
Darwyn Cooke's art reminds me of low-grade made for TV animation, and while that might be serviceable for superheroes, it seems like it would be inappropriate for something like Hunter.
Wow slop, I just died a little bit inside :(
Especially the last part, b/c Cooke's art is always it's weakest on superhero books, it's made for a book like this.
And no, if don't like Cooke's work, your not going to appreciate the amazing chiaroscuro of his style. It's pure hard boiled pulp at it's finest.
slop101
08-05-09, 07:48 PM
I flipped through it at the LCBS, just now - his lay-outs are pretty fantastic, but those sure are a lot of square jaws on the characters... ;)
boredsilly
08-06-09, 04:03 AM
Wow slop, I just died a little bit inside :(
Especially the last part, b/c Cooke's art is always it's weakest on superhero books, it's made for a book like this.
Yeah, no shit. I've never heard anyone say they didn't like Cooke's art.
I disagree. I think his art suffers when he has to put it in a modern setting, but shines when he can 1950's-ize everything. Which is why New Frontier was awesome, and (the art) on The Spirit was awesome.
burnside986
08-12-09, 12:43 AM
So your Asetrios Polyp's dust jacket is all messed up too? I thought it was just mine. ;)
If you look at that with 3D glasses does it look odd? Cause it looks like it would. Look.
JasonF
08-12-09, 02:19 AM
I picked up Hunter when it came out and reluctantly put it down because I've simply got too much to read to justify picking up a $25 hardcover. But I know I'm going to get it (and Asterios Polyp) sooner or later.
Does that Batman Hardcover contain anything besides the two Gaiman "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader" issues? I saw it in the store, but it seemed awfully thin given its price.
ivelostr2
08-12-09, 09:44 AM
I'm still waiting on my DCBS order to ship this month...it is pissing me off...
boredsilly
08-12-09, 04:44 PM
Asterios is awesome. That is all.
John_Shil
08-13-09, 03:56 PM
Does that Batman Hardcover contain anything besides the two Gaiman "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader" issues? I saw it in the store, but it seemed awfully thin given its price.
It also contains the Gaiman BATMAN: BLACK & WHITE story, and the Gaiman SECRET ORIGINS stories. Still, pretty thin.
boredsilly
08-20-09, 02:01 AM
Like a rube, I keep checking back on my DCBS order page to see if the Strangers in Paradise Omnibus order went through. I'm fearing the worst.
ivelostr2
09-28-09, 02:47 PM
So, we should find out in the next few days how many of us get that Strangers in paradise book from DCBS right?
Sessa17
09-28-09, 05:44 PM
So, we should find out in the next few days how many of us get that Strangers in paradise book from DCBS right?
I just checked my account & it is showing pretty much everything in my order for that much as "item filled, not yet shipped" except for the SIP Omni :( So it's not looking good, & I placed that order literally the day DCBS put that months order form up.
boredsilly
09-29-09, 11:45 AM
Well, a person who works for DCBS says the thing ships on the 30th, so I wouldn't be worried yet. At least that's the route I'm willing to take, but I'm not hopeful. Worst case scenario, you could always pay twice as much as buy them straight from Tony Moore. I don't know if I could do that, but seeing as how he will probably be selling copies at Baltimore Con, I just might -- assuming my DCBS order goes unfilled (which I'm pretty sure is going to happen).
ivelostr2
09-29-09, 05:30 PM
I just got this email...
Although DCBS has not yet received its copies of STRANGERS IN PARADISE OMNIBUS LTD ED, we understand that this book will be heavily allocated. DCBS is currently taking requests for cancellation. If you are interested, please respond to this e-mail.
so, they are saying that we should let them know if we want to cancel it why? Because it may not be available right away?
boredsilly
09-29-09, 06:23 PM
Yeah, I don't get that either. Damn it. I wish Moore printed this book AFTER receiving orders for it, so that everyone who wants it can get it.
Sessa17
09-29-09, 07:16 PM
Interestingly enough, I just received an email from DCBS. Here is what it says:
"DCBS ALERT:
Although DCBS has not yet received its copies of STRANGERS IN PARADISE OMNIBUS LTD ED, we understand that this book will be heavily allocated. DCBS is currently taking requests for cancellation. If you are interested, please respond to this e-mail."
So please, anyone that ordered it do them a favor & cancel your order so I can get mine :D
ivelostr2
09-30-09, 01:21 AM
Interestingly enough, I just received an email from DCBS. Here is what it says:
"DCBS ALERT:
Although DCBS has not yet received its copies of STRANGERS IN PARADISE OMNIBUS LTD ED, we understand that this book will be heavily allocated. DCBS is currently taking requests for cancellation. If you are interested, please respond to this e-mail."
So please, anyone that ordered it do them a favor & cancel your order so I can get mine :D
I took it that way too, so basically it means if you don't really want it cancel so someone else can have it
boredsilly
10-01-09, 01:18 PM
It looks like they're going to fill the orders in the order they came in, so you should be good Sessa. I'm boned.
I actually have all of the HC's, minus 4, so it might be cheaper for me to just buy those on eBay, than buying the Omnibu at full price. But then again, this is pretty much one of my favorite series of all time. Decisions, decisions.
Sessa17
10-01-09, 04:56 PM
It looks like they're going to fill the orders in the order they came in, so you should be good Sessa. I'm boned.
:fc: Got my shipping notification yesterday. Here is hoping.
I actually have all of the HC's, minus 4, so it might be cheaper for me to just buy those on eBay, than buying the Omnibu at full price. But then again, this is pretty much one of my favorite series of all time. Decisions, decisions.
I just get geek-boners over omnibusesses, so I really want it. I have all the pocket book size trades, I love those & now am glad I kept them in case I get screwed on this order. Have you read Terry Moore's new series Echo? I was really dissapointed with it, I dropped it after issues 12, a full year & I couldn't get into it, I know it just got picked up for a movie, but the characters were just so one-dimensional.
boredsilly
10-01-09, 07:43 PM
I read the first Echo trade and I liked it. It's totally different than SiP, but there was enough there for me to latch onto. It wasn't amazing, but definitely solid. I just got the second trade from the library, so we'll see if it holds up for me.
ivelostr2
10-02-09, 12:03 AM
:fc: Got my shipping notification yesterday. Here is hoping.
I got my shipping confirmation too, but it isn't listed in the shipment...maybe they are taking a few days to sort this out and it will ship with the next shipment...
ivelostr2
10-02-09, 09:55 AM
I got my shipping confirmation too, but it isn't listed in the shipment...maybe they are taking a few days to sort this out and it will ship with the next shipment...
i was tracking the shipment today, and it is listed as 6lbs, but all that dcbs says is in it is Superman: new krypton 2 HC, Uncanny x-men: sisterhood tpb, and Ultimatum HC, that cant be 6 pounds right? then again the SiP set probably weighs more than 6 pounds alone...
ivelostr2
10-02-09, 01:26 PM
i was tracking the shipment today, and it is listed as 6lbs, but all that dcbs says is in it is Superman: new krypton 2 HC, Uncanny x-men: sisterhood tpb, and Ultimatum HC, that cant be 6 pounds right? then again the SiP set probably weighs more than 6 pounds alone...
sorry to keep quoting myself, but holy shit, this is the tracking info...
NEW STANTON, PA, US 10/02/2009 9:50 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
MAUMEE, OH, US 10/02/2009 4:07 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
10/02/2009 3:25 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
FORT WAYNE, IN, US 10/01/2009 11:40 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
10/01/2009 7:50 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN
10/01/2009 6:03 P.M. PICKUP SCAN
10/01/2009 5:17 P.M. BILLING INFO RECEIVED
...usually my stuff takes anywhre from 5-10 days to me, but New Stanton is like 10 miles from me...it should be here tomorrow...if not late today!!! that is 1 day!
Sessa17
10-05-09, 05:38 PM
Got my shipment in today, & oh well, no SiP omnibus :( Very bummed, plus they charged me for it, so I need to give them a call. I wasn't really expecting it, once Diamond announced as a whole, they only got 500 copies, but I thought I might luck out, since I placed my order the same day DCBS put it up. Oh well, I'm just spoiled, I literally have every single Omnibus I've wanted so far, it just annoys me that I don't have this one now. Got the Astonishing X-men Omni in this order though, that was nice, didn't even remember ordering it. Also the first Fables Hardcover among many other books.
dx23
10-05-09, 06:08 PM
Who really benefits from the production of only 500 copies of the Stranger with Paradise Omnibus? Certainly not the fans.
ivelostr2
10-06-09, 01:16 AM
Got my shipment in today, & oh well, no SiP omnibus :( Very bummed, plus they charged me for it, so I need to give them a call. I wasn't really expecting it, once Diamond announced as a whole, they only got 500 copies, but I thought I might luck out, since I placed my order the same day DCBS put it up. Oh well, I'm just spoiled, I literally have every single Omnibus I've wanted so far, it just annoys me that I don't have this one now. Got the Astonishing X-men Omni in this order though, that was nice, didn't even remember ordering it. Also the first Fables Hardcover among many other books.
yeah, it wasn;t in mine either and they still charged me for, I figure I'll wait and see how things shake out before i give up hope...
dbruner41
10-06-09, 06:46 PM
Hey, I'm mostly a lurker, but just letting you guys know...if you're curious about the SiP omnibus, DCBS has filled the orders.
They haven't been shipped yet, but if you're wondering if you got one, go to the site and check your order -- it should show up as fulfilled if you're getting one.
ivelostr2
10-07-09, 01:41 AM
Hey, I'm mostly a lurker, but just letting you guys know...if you're curious about the SiP omnibus, DCBS has filled the orders.
They haven't been shipped yet, but if you're wondering if you got one, go to the site and check your order -- it should show up as fulfilled if you're getting one.
mine still says no... :(
boredsilly
10-07-09, 10:11 AM
mine still says no... :(
Mine too.
dbruner41
10-07-09, 10:45 AM
When did you guys submit your orders? Mine was on 7/4 at 10:51 p.m. I'm wondering when the cutoff must have been if they're going first come first serve.
boredsilly
10-07-09, 01:34 PM
I did mine the 5th around 7 oclock.
ivelostr2
10-08-09, 12:21 AM
i did mine on the 5th at like 2 am
Josh-da-man
10-08-09, 01:26 PM
Who really benefits from the production of only 500 copies of the Stranger with Paradise Omnibus? Certainly not the fans.
The people who can sell their copies on eBay for exorbitant sums of cash, for one.
Considering what OOP DC Absolutes and Marvel Omnibuses go for on eBay, I wouldn't be surprised if most retailers didn't even offer these to customers at cover price and instead sold them at a premium. Or sit on them and wait for the value to go up. (Not saying DCBS is doing anything like this.)
Terry Moore and Abstract screwed the pooch big time here. This should have been offered as limited to initial orders, and at least let set customer demand set the print run.
boredsilly
10-08-09, 04:00 PM
It's not that simple Josh. Terry needed to pay for these upfront, and he looked to partner with Diamond to help with costs (which is a common thing), but for whatever reason that fell through. So he was taking a HUGE risk in printing up these very expensive books, not really sure if he would be able to sell them all. I don't blame him at all.
Things could have been done differently, sure, but he picked a road and went down it. And really, we aren't worrying about being able to buy this (we can), we're worrying about being able to buy this from DCBS at a steep discount.
Patman
10-08-09, 04:58 PM
Was it 500 total print run, or just 500 allocated to Diamond, and the rest of the 1600(?) print run allocated to other places, as well as Terry's own web orders on his website?
Remember when Jeff Smith did that HC of the 1300 page "Bone" collected edition? For a few weeks of its release, it was floating around $95-$120 (discounted), and then it went out of print, and the price doubled overnight and finally settled whatever its going price is nowadays.
Will this SiP HC also do the same, probably. I think I"ll just be happy with my HCs of the various collected editions (come to think of it, I think I still need 3 of the last HCs in the series).
Sessa17
10-08-09, 06:03 PM
Was it 500 total print run, or just 500 allocated to Diamond, and the rest of the 1600(?) print run allocated to other places, as well as Terry's own web orders on his website?
I don't know what the total print run is, but Diamond released an official statement that as a hole, they would only be receiving 500 copies.
Remember when Jeff Smith did that HC of the 1300 page "Bone" collected edition? For a few weeks of its release, it was floating around $95-$120 (discounted), and then it went out of print, and the price doubled overnight and finally settled whatever its going price is nowadays.
Do you mean this :D
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/glenjs/004.jpg?t=1255036951
I've seen it go for over $400 on ebay. It's actually more rare than the SiP will be. This was a "retailer's thank you" from Jeff Smith. One edition was sent to each retailer in the country, no more were printed. Being that I consider Bone to be the greatest sequential story ever told (not my favorite comic ever, just the best use of the medium IMO), I will not part with mine, I was offered $500 for it.
Patman
10-08-09, 07:07 PM
I don't remember it being a retailer "Thank You" edition, but rather an orderable item from Diamond, like the SiP HC, but it also had a short print run, and I kick myself for not buying it when it was near that $100 price on Ebay until they were gone. But truth be told, I was all "Boned" out by all the various TPBs in print at the time, and then later, there was the 1300-page Bone softcover where he didn't print to order (because he had to set the print run before the final order numbers came in, and I ended up with a 2nd printing, even though my LCS placed an order for it during its solicitation, but with Jeff Smith guessing low on the initial first printing, that hosed those of us who got their orders filled with 2nd printings).
Found a listing on dynamic forces for the HC version of Bone (original price was $125 retail):
Wow, I had no idea, now I don't feel so special. It definitely was initially a retailer thank you though. It came in a separate box & a note with the invoice that stated one per Diamond account. Either way it's still my favorite looking omni. The Bone softcover is a must-have, it's the one I use for reading.
Patman
10-08-09, 07:50 PM
Hey, be glad you have one of those Bone HCs, no matter how it came into existence.
I think the other mitigating factor (besides the price tag) was that I already had the other 9 HC volumes, so it felt like a waste to dump more money into a single collected HC volume. Of course, that was the short-sighted view of things. Grr...
And of course, history is repeating itself with the SiP Collected HC, I can try to get it at full price from Terry's website (unless it's sold out on there as well), but at least I have a fair share of them in the smaller SiP HC editions, just like I did with the Bone HCs. Plus with the economy being what it is, I'm trying not to spend as friviously as I've done in the past on collectibles. So in 5 years, I'll probably lament on passing on this current SiP collected HC edition. Double Grr...
Sessa17
10-08-09, 08:02 PM
And of course, history is repeating itself with the SiP Collected HC, I can try to get it at full price from Terry's website (unless it's sold out on there as well), but at least I have a fair share of them in the smaller SiP HC editions, just like I did with the Bone HCs. Plus with the economy being what it is, I'm trying not to spend as friviously as I've done in the past on collectibles. So in 5 years, I'll probably lament on passing on this current SiP collected HC edition. Double Grr...
I've already given up on getting this omni, even if Moore has it at his website, there is no way I'd pay full price for it. I just noticed, that DCBS sent me another email today. They officially cancelled my order, & said they would put the credit towards my current order.
mlemmond
10-10-09, 12:11 AM
I just placed my first order with them for the Astonishing Xmen Omnibus.
Buy: