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View Full Version : Am I the only one that realizes Transformers is a glorified car commercial?


Ronnie Dobbs
06-25-09, 11:13 AM
Yea I know theres a paper thin plot about robots from space. I've seen the movies and I had the toys when i was little. But really its about the cars.

Also is it concidence that the star of the movie is like a teenager who is just the right age to get his first car. Hmmm.

RichC2
06-25-09, 11:17 AM
It's also a toy advertisement.

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr.
06-25-09, 11:18 AM
Yea I know theres a paper thin plot about robots from space. I've seen the movies and I had the toys when i was little. But really its about the cars.

Also is it concidence that the star of the movie is like a teenager who is just the right age to get his first car. Hmmm.

The star of the movie is 23.

stingermck
06-25-09, 11:23 AM
Nope, but your the first to start another TF2 thread. Maybe now we can reach TDK numbers :lol:

DthRdrX
06-25-09, 11:45 AM
Not the only one but maybe the last one to realize it ...

The original cartoon was made to sell toys, and toys it sold. The movies are a logical extension of that.

Ronnie Dobbs
06-25-09, 11:55 AM
The star of the movie is 23.

Your right that changes everything.

Superboy
06-25-09, 11:58 AM
I suppose it's always been a glorified car/toy commercial.

I guess now it's just cars you could actually buy. Or at least, want to buy.

RichC2
06-25-09, 12:03 PM
Yeah not really.

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr.
06-25-09, 12:08 PM
Your right that changes everything.

It changes half of your initial statement.

fumanstan
06-25-09, 12:09 PM
Yes, you're the only one.

Solid Snake
06-25-09, 12:35 PM
Really? I don't think so...I mean...they've got to use cars..so it's only understandable that they'd use real cars to play Car Robots. It's mostly a toy phenomenon, which also goes to Video Games, shirts, more toys, hats, etc..oh wait. IT'S A TOY FRANCHISE. It's influence on car sells are probably not as high as the games and toys that it will sell like crazy

Draven
06-25-09, 12:47 PM
Considering that the original car modes were changed to get all of them under the same brand, I thought it was obvious that it was nothing but a car commercial.

Mopower
06-25-09, 12:51 PM
Welcome to summer 2007.

GenPion
06-25-09, 01:00 PM
No... your not. And it's a commercial for many things -- not just cars. But yes, it is a Car commercial. I have a friend that really likes watching these movies because he had the opportunity to see the new Camaro's in them.

DthRdrX
06-25-09, 01:02 PM
Considering that the original car modes were changed to get all of them under the same brand, I thought it was obvious that it was nothing but a car commercial.

It depends on what company you are. Hasbro wants to sell toys, GM wants to sell cars, Paramount wants to sell tickets & dvds.

Chad
06-25-09, 01:38 PM
The original cartoon was a giant promotion for a toy line that originated in Japan, so...

All us folks who grew up watching the original toon care about is that nostalgia factor we get from seeing our giant alien robot hero Optimus Prime beating the shit out of other giant alien robots on the big screen ...well, I do.

Considering that the original car modes were changed to get all of them under the same brand, I thought it was obvious that it was nothing but a car commercial.

Didn't they originally approach Volkswagen for Bumblebee and were refused the rights?

dan30oly
06-25-09, 01:52 PM
Didn't they originally approach Volkswagen for Bumblebee and were refused the rights?

That was the story that was told, but I think it has more to do with VW not wanting to pay for the "advertisement"

Draven
06-25-09, 03:06 PM
That was the story that was told, but I think it has more to do with VW not wanting to pay for the "advertisement"

I think you're right. :)

dx23
06-25-09, 03:18 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bo5Hm8SHCGc/Sfuytw4aZQI/AAAAAAAAAOI/yFyX4uDe1oo/s400/chocobot.png

Mabuse
06-25-09, 03:33 PM
Of course it's a car commerical.

What's dissapointing to me is the exclusive deal the filmmakers made with GM. It's really limiting to have the Autobots only transform into GM products. This leads the filmmakers to have the robots turn into things other than cars (construction equipment, tanks, etc) and makes something that might be fun like Autobot Ferrari's or BMW's impossible.

Then again, since we all own GM now, maybe supporting this film is our patriotic duty.

Draven
06-25-09, 03:41 PM
Hopefully, Ronnie, you and I aren't the only ones who realize how lame the whole Transformers phenomenon is, either.

The toys sucked then, and still do. The movies are even worse (and I'm only guessing, because I won't see the new one based on my enjoyment level of the first).

Why, pray tell, did the toys suck?

Supermallet
06-25-09, 04:03 PM
If they really wanted it to be an effective car commercial, they would have released the new Camaro to coincide with the first one.

RocShemp
06-25-09, 04:15 PM
Didn't they originally approach Volkswagen for Bumblebee and were refused the rights?

Depends on who tells the story. Supposedly Volkswagen refused because they do not want to be associated with war. Michael Bay, on the other hand, said they were never approached because he'd never use a car like a VW Beetle as a Transformer as long as he's directing.

UAIOE
06-25-09, 05:22 PM
If they really wanted it to be an effective car commercial, they would have released the new Camaro to coincide with the first one.

Yeah, GM was pretty stupid for not having that out with the movie.

I had a movie buff co-worker tell me the same "its like a big car commercial" and I told him the original cartoon was nothing more than a commercial for toys.

It seems the commercial aspect remains, but the "toys" got bigger and more expensive.

fujishig
06-25-09, 05:41 PM
Depends on who tells the story. Supposedly Volkswagen refused because they do not want to be associated with war. Michael Bay, on the other hand, said they were never approached because he'd never use a car like a VW Beetle as a Transformer as long as he's directing.

Note that Hasbro had a line (called Alternators) where they licensed real cars, and they couldn't get a VW for Bumblebee for that either, presumably due to the anti-war thing (they also had a tough time with some car manufacturers, who didn't want ugly seams along the hoods of their cars on the toy).

So how many people, after the first movie, bought an Optimus Prime cab truck? As people have stated, the concept camaro wasn't even out long after the movie came out. And the bad guys were a tank, a helicopter, a jet, a police cruiser, some weird construction vehicle, etc. It's a toy commercial.

C-Mart
06-25-09, 05:44 PM
Depends on who tells the story. Supposedly Volkswagen refused because they do not want to be associated with war. Michael Bay, on the other hand, said they were never approached because he'd never use a car like a VW Beetle as a Transformer as long as he's directing.

Also, Transformers 2 has an Audi R8. Audi is part of VW, so this may be the right answer.

I also saw that one of the constructicons was a volvo which is owned by Ford right?

DthRdrX
06-25-09, 06:05 PM
Yeah, GM was pretty stupid for not having that out with the movie.

I had a movie buff co-worker tell me the same "its like a big car commercial" and I told him the original cartoon was nothing more than a commercial for toys.

It seems the commercial aspect remains, but the "toys" got bigger and more expensive.

Thats an example of had badly GM was run. They took too long getting the Camaro back to the market. (2002-2009) From June to next December you can order a 'limited edition' Bumblebee Camaro that looks like the one from this film, except GM managed to screw that up also. You don't get the same yellow paint.

DthRdrX
06-25-09, 06:10 PM
Note that Hasbro had a line (called Alternators) where they licensed real cars, and they couldn't get a VW for Bumblebee for that either, presumably due to the anti-war thing (they also had a tough time with some car manufacturers, who didn't want ugly seams along the hoods of their cars on the toy).

So how many people, after the first movie, bought an Optimus Prime cab truck? As people have stated, the concept camaro wasn't even out long after the movie came out. And the bad guys were a tank, a helicopter, a jet, a police cruiser, some weird construction vehicle, etc. It's a toy commercial.

Porsche bailed on Hasbro because of the alternators, and I'm going to guess that is why they made Jazz a GM product in the movies instead.

FWIW, Sideswipe was supposed to be a Ferrari but Bay wanted the concept Vette. The man doesn't really care about keeping characters/vehicles the same or using different auto brands. Therefore, the autobots look like a GM commercial.

Mabuse
06-25-09, 06:28 PM
I have to laugh at the Nazi...I mean German...car companies not wanting their vehicles used. The connection honestly had never occured to me, never in all the years of watching the cartoon.

But now you all tell me there's an Audi in the new film...interesting.

The Bus
06-25-09, 07:37 PM
Actually, GM paid for airtime/commercials for the 2007 Transformers film. So, technically, it's more the other way around.

Supermallet
06-25-09, 08:00 PM
Thats an example of had badly GM was run. They took too long getting the Camaro back to the market. (2002-2009) From June to next December you can order a 'limited edition' Bumblebee Camaro that looks like the one from this film, except GM managed to screw that up also. You don't get the same yellow paint.

That's a shame, I'm actually hearing very good things about the new Camaro.

UAIOE
06-26-09, 04:11 AM
Thats an example of had badly GM was run. They took too long getting the Camaro back to the market. (2002-2009) From June to next December you can order a 'limited edition' Bumblebee Camaro that looks like the one from this film, except GM managed to screw that up also. You don't get the same yellow paint.

I tell my GF, if this had been GM circa the 1950's, that Camaro would have been in dealerships opening day of the movie.

Even in the late 90's that car would have been there for people to buy while the movie was in theaters. GM lost some $$ with this.