Poker Outs

[beckham]

I am just starting to grasp pot odds. My question is if a player calls the raises the total pot, is there an appropriate outs odds to call?

Does that make any sense?

[mgbfan]

No. That makes no sense.

Sorry.

[El Scorcho]

you said:

"if a player calls the raises the total pot"

I think you mean:

"if a player calls then raises the total pot"

If that's the case, then your question is still lacking a ton of information. What street are you on? Are you playing limit or no limit? What's your current hand rank? What do you think your opponent's hand rank is? How likely are you to outdraw him?

Your question is probably the vaguest one in this forum ever.

[Rendle]

Fold preflop.

[yakuza70]

I am just starting to grasp pot odds. My question is if a player calls the raises the total pot, is there an appropriate outs odds to call?

Does that make any sense?

Pot odds are kind of hard to grasp at first but I think I can explain it. Let's say there's $25 in the pot when you bet $25. The following player raises another $25, making his total bet $50 and the current pot $100 ($25 originally in the pot plus your initial $25, his $25 to call you plus his $25 raise). For you to call, you'd have to put in another $25. Well, $100 (now in the pot) to $25 you need to call is 4 to 1 odds. Now if you believe that you have a 4 to 1 or better chance to catch the card you need to win the pot, then you have the correct pot odds to call. There's a lot of math involved in poker (I'm referring to Texas Hold'em in this case) - more than most people realize.

Of course, that's a very basic scenario as there are many other variables that affect your decision making: your stack size, your position, your read, opponent's stack size, etc.

Check out wikipedia too and look up Pot Odds. There's another scenario there that explains pot odds.

[beckham]

Sorry for being so vague.

What yakuza70 was explaining is close to what I was asking. In your scenario, I would have 4 to 1 odds. I am applying my hand (assuming I haven't caught my cards yet) to the rule of 4 and 2 to roughly determine the percentage of making my hand.

What I was trying to ask so foolishly was if I didn't catch the hand I was after on the flop and someone raises to the total value of what the pot already is (ie the pot is 100 and they raise 100), does it make sense to call? Is that type of bet one I should fold if I haven't caught my hand yet no matter how many outs I may have? I hope that makes more sense.

Thanks.

[ElementZ]

Pretty much with those odds...Not really. Although depending on other factors, stacks, level, payouts, it might not be a bad move to call. If you had a straight flush draw, I would call that bet all day long.

If the pot was 100 and they bet 100, the total pot would be 200. It would cost you 100 to call to win that 200 in the pot so you are getting 2-1 odds. (200/100).

Of course, it might not be a bad goal if you have strong implied odds.