If you have a chance, I recommend watching old coverage of past E3 shows. I own Gamespot's exclusive E3 dvds from 2003-2005. I popped in 2003, and it was amusing to how amazed we were at graphics that look piss poor these days. And one of their best in show was the turkey True Crime Streets of LA. They also gushed about Call of Ctulu.
It's also funny to watch the Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft press conferences. They make all these promises that never happen. In E3 2003, Microsoft pimped the heck out of True Fantasy Online. Then the game was quietly canceled. Lots of ooohs and ahhhs in the audience when Sony announced the PSP which has been a dud since day 1. Nintendo was bragging about some e-reader thing for the gameboy. Course, it doesn't top their truly embarassing E3 of 2008.
dan30oly
06-01-09, 02:31 PM
PSP is a dud?
Compared to what other handheld gaming device that has tried to compete with Nintendo????
Let's see, we have Sega's Game Gear (which was also superior to the gameboy at the time, but never caught on).
Turbo Graphx handheld? Now, that was a true dud.
Sony PSP? While I've had mine since near launch and I could count the times I've played it on both hands I'd still not call it a dud. UMD movies for the PSP are a complete dud though.
steebo777
06-01-09, 02:33 PM
Course, it doesn't top their truly embarassing E3 of 2008.
Spoken for the truth.
And to me, the PSP was/is a dud. Surprised a new version of it will be announced.
slop101
06-01-09, 02:35 PM
PSP is a dud?You enjoy the PSP, I enjoy the PSP, but the fact remains that held up to Sony's expectations, it was a dud. They make their money on games sold, and it's sold a shit number of games.
dan30oly
06-01-09, 02:38 PM
You enjoy the PSP, I enjoy the PSP, but the fact remains that held up to Sony's expectations, it was a dud. They make their money on games sold, and it's sold a shit number of games.
Nothing will ever live up to Sony expectations.
They expected people to get 2nd jobs to purchase a over-priced PS3.
They expect people to just eat and buy their shit up because they say so.
I'm just saying with proper perspective (yeah, I know it sounds like spin and I hate $ony as much as anyone), but the PSP isn't a dud.
Michael Corvin
06-01-09, 02:54 PM
Anything competing against the DS is going to look like a dud no matter how many they sell.
spainlinx0
06-01-09, 02:57 PM
PSP is a dud?
Compared to what other handheld gaming device that has tried to compete with Nintendo????
Let's see, we have Sega's Game Gear (which was also superior to the gameboy at the time, but never caught on).
Turbo Graphx handheld? Now, that was a true dud.
Sony PSP? While I've had mine since near launch and I could count the times I've played it on both hands I'd still not call it a dud. UMD movies for the PSP are a complete dud though.
How was the Game Gear superior? A big clunky portable unit with about an hour of battery life?
nemein
06-01-09, 03:06 PM
Nothing will ever live up to Sony expectations.
They expected people to get 2nd jobs to purchase a over-priced PS3.
They expect people to just eat and buy their shit up because they say so.
Reminds me of this http://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_releases_new_stupid_piece_of :lol: BTW NSFW due to language
Compared to what other handheld gaming device that has tried to compete with Nintendo????
Let's see, we have Sega's Game Gear (which was also superior to the gameboy at the time, but never caught on).
Turbo Graphx handheld? Now, that was a true dud.
Sony PSP? While I've had mine since near launch and I could count the times I've played it on both hands I'd still not call it a dud. UMD movies for the PSP are a complete dud though.
The number one problem with the PSP has been the weak game library. Compared to hundreds, maybe thousands of DS titles, PSP only has a handful of really good ones.
dan30oly
06-01-09, 03:44 PM
How was the Game Gear superior? A big clunky portable unit with about an hour of battery life?
The graphics were far better, and the controls were much easier to use.
I don't ever remember battery life being an issue.
Michael Corvin
06-01-09, 03:48 PM
The number one problem with the PSP has been the weak game library. Compared to hundreds, maybe thousands of DS titles, PSP only has a handful of really good ones.
That's a fallible argument. So you're saying the DS has thousands of 'really good ones?'
PopcornTreeCt
06-01-09, 03:51 PM
I loved Game Gear
spainlinx0
06-01-09, 03:52 PM
The graphics were far better, and the controls were much easier to use.
I don't ever remember battery life being an issue.
I had both. If you weren't tethered to a plug, you weren't playing your Game Gear. That thing destroyed AAs, six at a time. The graphics were in color yes, but they weren't all that amazing. What was so much easier about the controls? It had a digital pad and 2 buttons, just like the Game Boy.
Groucho
06-01-09, 03:57 PM
Nothing, I mean, nothing beats the "Giant Enemy Crab" presentation. That whole thing played out like an SNL sketch.
slop101
06-01-09, 03:57 PM
That's a fallible argument. So you're saying the DS has thousands of 'really good ones?'Yeah, it's not even about good games vs. bad games - it's about games that sell, and a large chunk of the DS's library of games have sold far better than every single PSP game.
Michael Corvin
06-01-09, 03:59 PM
Yeah, it's not even about good games vs. bad games - it's about games that sell, and a large chunk of the DS's library of games have sold far better than every single PSP game.
Right but I was mainly getting at comparing the entire DS library to only the good PSP games. That's not an apple to apple comparison.
The Bus
06-01-09, 06:34 PM
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fujishig
06-01-09, 06:42 PM
Just go through old threads in this forum. There were many, many people, myself included, who thought the DS would be a failure and that the PSP would rock. Also, a lot of praise for games that don't hold up graphically today. I mean, if that's what you think is comedy.
spainlinx0
06-01-09, 07:40 PM
All I know is I thought the Wii would be big, and I didn't bash the name too hard, if at all, like some people did. :)
spainlinx0
06-01-09, 07:45 PM
That crab thing was absolutely hilarious. Real time weapon changes!
fujishig
06-01-09, 08:01 PM
That crab thing was absolutely hilarious. Real time weapon changes!
but it was hilarious when they did it, it's not like we didn't have dynamic weapon changes or boss weak points back then... :)
spainlinx0
06-01-09, 08:04 PM
Oh, I know that. I really wish I could have been there when we had giant crabs in battles though. Perhaps that is where our modern tanks come from.
fujishig
06-01-09, 08:07 PM
Was there an E3 or equivalent when stuff like the Jaguar or Virtual Boy came out? Would love to see that...
Michael Corvin
06-01-09, 08:59 PM
The first E3 was in 1995. I think Jaguar had already come and gone but VB came out that summer.
porieux
06-01-09, 09:18 PM
I popped in 2003, and it was amusing to how amazed we were at graphics that look piss poor these days.
I always find it funny when people say things like this. If you thought it looked great before it cannot look 'piss poor' now, that's just silly. Don't buy into the industry hype.
maingon
06-01-09, 09:18 PM
yeah its alot of fun doing that, the graphics back then seemed so amazing.
bluetoast
06-02-09, 01:57 AM
I always find it funny when people say things like this. If you thought it looked great before it cannot look 'piss poor' now, that's just silly. Don't buy into the industry hype.
A person's standards can't change over time as the industry evolves?
Cosmic Bus
06-02-09, 10:35 AM
Was there an E3 or equivalent when stuff like the Jaguar or Virtual Boy came out? Would love to see that...
I think CES was where a lot of the big "reveals" were made at the time, although Nintendo and Sega both used to hold their own expos -- not sure if Nintendo's Spaceworld is still something they do today.
There isn't much relevant video that I can find from the old CES shows (it wasn't the circus that E3 has been) and I remember having to catch glimpses of all the new stuff when CBS or NBC did segments on their morning news shows... That said, the Jaguar seems to have gone over pretty well at the time:
Atari Corp. announced today that the Atari Jaguar 64-bit interactive
multimedia game system has been named the industry's "Best New Game
System" (VideoGames Magazine), "Best New Hardware System" (Game
Informer) and "1993 Technical Achievement of the Year" (DieHard
GameFan). The awards were presented last week at the Winter Consumer
Electronics Show in Las Vegas. In addition, VideoGames Magazine
selected a Jaguar advertisement as "1993's Best Print Ad" and
Electronic Games voted Jaguar's newest software title, "Tempest 2000,"
the "Best Game of the Show."
The Virtual Boy was shown at the first E3 in '95 and didn't create much interest. Nintendo wasn't in a particularly good spot then, either, with almost nothing to show aside from the VB since the SNES was headed out the door and the N64 hadn't been finished yet.
Mopower
06-02-09, 10:48 AM
I popped in 2003, and it was amusing to how amazed we were at graphics that look piss poor these days.
Hey now there's one console that has 2003 graphics that is doing very well these days. ;)
Chris_D
06-02-09, 11:33 AM
Hardware sales wise the PSP has been doing just fine. I think it's about 50% of DS world wide sales and has old sold the DS in Japan from time to time. They obviously have significant problems with piracy that has been hurting their software sales. In fact, out of all the people I know with PSPs in real life, not a single one has ever bought a PSP game. A pretty sad statistic. Clearly they need to go digital only and the PSP Go is a step in that direction. To compare the success of the PSP to the Game gear, Atari Lynx, Wonderswan, or TG16 is a joke.
I actually, almost prefer my PSP over my DS. At least it's pretty close. Still, I'm extremely happy with the DSi redesign even though I don't give a shit about the camera or DSiWare. And there's more than enough software to keep any normal person busy.
Chris_D
06-02-09, 11:35 AM
Hey now there's one console that has 2003 graphics that is doing very well these days. ;)
I dunno, there are a lot of original Xbox games that still look better than what's on the Wii, assuming that's what you're talking about.
Groucho
06-02-09, 11:39 AM
In a couple years, we'll all still be laughing about the "trying on dresses" game Microsoft thinks we are all dying to play.
The Bus
06-02-09, 06:17 PM
Nintendo also had a dressing game. :)
WMAangel
06-02-09, 07:08 PM
Hey now there's one console that has 1996 graphics that is doing very well these days. ;)
Fixed!
(For the DS, obviously.....)
porieux
06-02-09, 08:45 PM
A person's standards can't change over time as the industry evolves?
Law of diminishing returns has been in full effect for many many years now.
What really makes a game stand out these days visually is the art design, style, and execution + how it all complements the gameplay.
IMHO of course.
big e
06-03-09, 01:02 PM
I loved Game Gear
I loved the Game Gear too and, like dan30oly, I don't ever recall the battery life being an issue. I'll second the Game Gear having better graphics than the then current Gameboy. Now, two systems that were junk were the Sega CD and 32X.
drmoze
06-03-09, 06:52 PM
Hey now there's one console that has 2003 graphics that is doing very well these days. ;)
So clever. -ohbfrank- That console has control schemes that are well beyond those of the other consoles with "better graphics." And gameplay is all about control, right? (Oh wait, I'd rather push buttons on my hi-def wowza graphics golf game instead of actually swinging to hit the ball! Uh-huh. And cardio boxing with my thumbs on a dual-shock controller is far more invigorating than actually throwing real punches and dodging.)
Panda Phil
06-03-09, 07:20 PM
If you have a chance, I recommend watching old coverage of past E3 shows. I own Gamespot's exclusive E3 dvds from 2003-2005. I popped in 2003, and it was amusing to how amazed we were at graphics that look piss poor these days. And one of their best in show was the turkey True Crime Streets of LA. They also gushed about Call of Ctulu.
B-But I liked Call of Cthuhlu. Just because the fanboys prefer games that involve stealing cars and blowing away drug dealers doesn't mean CoC sucked. *grumble, bitch*
nemein
06-03-09, 08:29 PM
B-But I liked Call of Cthuhlu. Just because the fanboys prefer games that involve stealing cars and blowing away drug dealers doesn't mean CoC sucked. *grumble, bitch*
IMHO what sucked about CoC was the fact it went from fairly easy to nearly impossible pretty quickly.
Spicollidriver1
06-03-09, 10:41 PM
I think we all need to get over the fact that some people like the Wii and some don't and just need to let it go. For me the control is a big gimmick that doesn't even remotely make the game more fun (not yet at least there is still time to change my mind) and if I can get the same game with better graphics, a larger install base (more online players), and not have to use that controller I will jump all over it. If I want to go golfing I will go golfing plain and simple it's ok to leave your house sometimes. On the other end of the aisle you have people that love there Wii and like the controls and think it makes it more fun to those people good for you at least you are playing games and for that I thank Nintendo the more people playing games the better. For me the best part of the WIi is Fit and the people that actually try to use it to lose weight that I love.
Panda Phil
06-04-09, 01:06 AM
IMHO what sucked about CoC was the fact it went from fairly easy to nearly impossible pretty quickly.
I don't know if I made it to the impossible part. I got as far as trying to kill the boss with the deck gun before I got bored and gave up.
Come to think of it though, some of the puzzles were damn near impossible without a walkthrough.
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