Warner's "Red2Blu" Plan - $4.95 to switch HD DVD to Blu-ray

[GizmoDVD]

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(Stolen from Grubert in the HD Forum (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk/553825-warner-launches-red2blu-trade-program.html))

For $4.95 per title + $6.95 S/H you can exchange up to 25 HD DVDs for "new industry-leading Blu-ray Discs." And you don't even need to send the discs or cases - only the sleeves! Plus you get a $15 off coupon for a purchase of $50 or more at wbshop.

You can access it here (http://www.red2blu.com/products.html). The full rules are here (http://www.red2blu.com/library/r2b_rules.pdf).

[Pizza]

That's interesting. Depending on shipping costs, I may bite on a few titles.

[iNCREDiPiNOY]

Do they accept cut/hole/tear cover art?

[The Cow]

Do they accept cut/hole/tear cover art?

Go to the link in the OP that has the rules:

10. The HD DVD artwork packaging sleeve of the Participating Title must be:
a. the original artwork packaging sleeve - copies are not valid.
b. the entire sleeve – ripped, cut up or partial sleeves are not valid.
c. in good condition.

So, no.

[John Sinnott]

That's interesting. Depending on shipping costs, I may bite on a few titles.

Shipping is a flat $6.95 no matter how many titles you exchange, and they provide a pre-paid label.

[GenPion]

So if my Batman Begins HD DVD has a wrinkle in its cover does that mean I can't do an upgrade? Heh. I might have to try this out. Including with Batman Begins.

[GizmoDVD]

Shipping is a flat $6.95 no matter how many titles you exchange, and they provide a pre-paid label.

FYI, Up to 25 titles per household.

[kenbenobi]

VERY interesting... I think I may have to do this. But I will scan each and every cover art I send them, in case I'm so inclined as to print a new one, and sell it (or sell the BD I receive)

[ksyblues]

this is a pretty good deal.because even if you sell your hd dvd for 5-10 bucks you still have to find a bd to replace it.plus you get to keep the discs.i dont know if i can afford to do all my wb hd's but i'm in for 4-5.i 'm going to trade in my best of action box i just send them the box art and get to keep the complete hd with the artwork,awesome

[Spaceknight]

so the REAL question is:
what deals can you piece together picking up a cheap HD disc somewhere and upgrading it?

[GMan2819]

so the REAL question is:
what deals can you piece together picking up a cheap HD disc somewhere and upgrading it?

The real question is, which titles are considered real upgrades i.e. better audio/video/extras? Just because it's BD doesn't make it an upgrade. Not for me anyway. Yeah, I'm too lazy to look them up...

[ksyblues]

if you can find box sets somewhere it would be a deal.box sets you only have to send the outer cardboard cover.mine has four movies in it.9.95 to upgrade to blu's and i can trade or sell the hd dvd's since they have the artwork intact.

[ksyblues]

be nice if universal did this,i'd love to upgrade my bournes.

[Spaceknight]

The real question is, which titles are considered real upgrades i.e. better audio/video/extras? Just because it's BD doesn't make it an upgrade. Not for me anyway. Yeah, I'm too lazy to look them up...

well, for people who don't have HD capability. They could buy an HD disc for a few bucks, pay 5 more to upgrade it, and end up with a bluray disc cheaper than having bought it directly.

[HockeyMan2000]

The real question is, which titles are considered real upgrades i.e. better audio/video/extras?

None of them. In fact, it's more the other way around -- several HD-DVDs have Dolby TrueHD (like SUPERMAN RETURNS and TRAINING DAY) as opposed to the BD's vanilla Dolby Digital. And several other HD-DVDs with DD+ tracks are at a higher bit rate than the BD 5.1 tracks. I don't think there's one instance of the BD being a real a/v "upgrade" on these Warner titles -- this is more to replace your HD-DVD library altogether. If you plan on keeping an HD-DVD player there's no point in exchanging your discs.

[nycdude]

well, for people who don't have HD capability. They could buy an HD disc for a few bucks, pay 5 more to upgrade it, and end up with a bluray disc cheaper than having bought it directly.

interesting thought.

[Chip718]

No T3?

[GizmoDVD]

None of them. In fact, it's more the other way around -- several HD-DVDs have Dolby TrueHD (like SUPERMAN RETURNS and TRAINING DAY) as opposed to the BD's vanilla Dolby Digital. And several other HD-DVDs with DD+ tracks are at a higher bit rate than the BD 5.1 tracks. I don't think there's one instance of the BD being a real a/v "upgrade" on these Warner titles -- this is more to replace your HD-DVD library altogether. If you plan on keeping an HD-DVD player there's no point in exchanging your discs.

The Perfect Storm is the only BD that has a dramatic new Picture Quality.

Also, Superman Returns now has a TrueHD track offered on the Blu-ray.

[Trevor]

None of them. In fact, it's more the other way around -- several HD-DVDs have Dolby TrueHD (like SUPERMAN RETURNS and TRAINING DAY) as opposed to the BD's vanilla Dolby Digital. And several other HD-DVDs with DD+ tracks are at a higher bit rate than the BD 5.1 tracks. I don't think there's one instance of the BD being a real a/v "upgrade" on these Warner titles -- this is more to replace your HD-DVD library altogether. If you plan on keeping an HD-DVD player there's no point in exchanging your discs.
Not completely true. See the HD forum for more discussion on this.

Also, remember that you are not exchanging discs, you get to keep your HDs.

You are paying ~$5 per title to "upgrade" to a format more likely to be playable in the future.

5 years from now, your HD players could have failed, and replacements will be harder to find/repair. And either way, you can't share them with others or play them in many places. And in 5 years blu-ray players may be common, making it easier to view the films on the go, and lend them out.

[matome]

None of them. In fact, it's more the other way around -- several HD-DVDs have Dolby TrueHD (like SUPERMAN RETURNS and TRAINING DAY) as opposed to the BD's vanilla Dolby Digital. And several other HD-DVDs with DD+ tracks are at a higher bit rate than the BD 5.1 tracks. I don't think there's one instance of the BD being a real a/v "upgrade" on these Warner titles -- this is more to replace your HD-DVD library altogether. If you plan on keeping an HD-DVD player there's no point in exchanging your discs.

There are definitely worthy Blu-ray upgrades like Harry Potter (extras in HD, additional documentary), and I Am Legend (more extras), off the top of my head.

[GMan2819]

You are paying ~$5 per title to "upgrade" to a format more likely to be playable in the future.

5 years from now, your HD players could have failed, and replacements will be harder to find/repair. And either way, you can't share them with others or play them in many places. And in 5 years blu-ray players may be common, making it easier to view the films on the go, and lend them out.

That's not a compelling reason for me to trade in now. In 5 years, I expect to find BDs in Walmarts $5 bin. :D

[WMAangel]

be nice if universal did this,i'd love to upgrade my bournes.

Universal hasn't even released half of the titles on Blu-ray yet that they released on HD DVD, so it'd be a short list and not very beneficial to most people at this time....

[Trevor]

That's not a compelling reason for me to trade in now. In 5 years, I expect to find BDs in Walmarts $5 bin. :D
Good point!

[WMAangel]

And several other HD-DVDs with DD+ tracks are at a higher bit rate than the BD 5.1 tracks.

This is not true for Warner titles, only Paramount....
Warner used 640k DD tracks on both Blu-ray and HD DVD, however due to the way the HD DVD spec worked, this was DD+ there while still classified as "Dolby Digital" on the Blu-ray....the tracks themselves were identical, just implemented differently due to how each format handles things....


I don't think there's one instance of the BD being a real a/v "upgrade" on these Warner titles -- this is more to replace your HD-DVD library altogether.

The Animatrix is in HD on the Blu-ray set, while it was only in SD on the HD DVD set....I'd say that is a significant upgrade (not to mention the other three movies are no longer problematic combo discs in the Blu set)....

[kyle]

Some of the Blus may also appear later as double-dips later. 300, Blood Diamond, the later Harry Potters all had PIP and other interactive features not on the Blu-Ray version since BD-Live was not available yet. (One of the HPs had a watch with a friend that was introduced on Blu with Sleeping Beauty). They delayed Batman long enough that BD-Live was ready when the Blu was released.
So my guess is a lot of these will prob get re-releases in Blu with BD-Live.

[Peep]

Some of the Blus may also appear later as double-dips later. 300, Blood Diamond, the later Harry Potters.... So my guess is a lot of these will prob get re-releases in Blu with BD-Live.

I believe that they have already announced plans for a 300 Blu-ray double dip.

[TheKing]

None of them. In fact, it's more the other way around -- several HD-DVDs have Dolby TrueHD (like SUPERMAN RETURNS and TRAINING DAY) as opposed to the BD's vanilla Dolby Digital. And several other HD-DVDs with DD+ tracks are at a higher bit rate than the BD 5.1 tracks. I don't think there's one instance of the BD being a real a/v "upgrade" on these Warner titles -- this is more to replace your HD-DVD library altogether. If you plan on keeping an HD-DVD player there's no point in exchanging your discs.

Well, The Matrix Box Set is on the list, and that is most certainly an upgrade in the sense that you get The Animatrix in Hi-def in Blu-ray. Plus, the discs aren't dual sided like the HD versions.

In fact, if you wanted to dump combos, this might be a good way to do it.

I don't see Charlie And The Chocolate Factory, Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory or Forbidden Planet on the list. I probably will upgrade my Matrix Trilogy, and TMNT, and Batman Begins. Maybe My Oceans box, and maybe Blade Runner.

[WMAangel]

I don't see Charlie And The Chocolate Factory, Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory or Forbidden Planet on the list.

Probably because they are not yet out on Blu-ray....Warner has not yet released every title onto Blu that they did on HD DVD (Dukes Of Hazzard is another example)....

[GizmoDVD]

Not completely true. See the HD forum for more discussion on this.

Also, remember that you are not exchanging discs, you get to keep your HDs.

You are paying ~$5 per title to "upgrade" to a format more likely to be playable in the future.

5 years from now, your HD players could have failed, and replacements will be harder to find/repair. And either way, you can't share them with others or play them in many places. And in 5 years blu-ray players may be common, making it easier to view the films on the go, and lend them out.

And 20 years later I can still buy Beta, CED, LaserDisc players on eBay - even brand new! And in 5 years the BD replacement (if the format is still viable) will be $5 or so as well ;)

[kenbenobi]

I think I'm screwed on the Matrix Trilogy, since I have the Complete Trilogy, and not the Ultimate Trilogy. However, it looks like I can swap out just The Matrix and get the 10th Anniversary Digibook. So that's still a good deal... Anyone know if the individual HD-DVD cases inside the Complete Trilogy have the same UPC's as if bought individually?

And why do the Lethal Weapon movies say "Director's Cut"? To my knowledge, neither HD-DVD nor Blu-Ray released the Directors Cut of either film...

[Robert]

Anyone know if the individual HD-DVD cases inside the Complete Trilogy have the same UPC's as if bought individually?

I don't think they were ever released individually.

[Robert]

How long does it take for the email with the shipping label to arrive after I place an order?

nevermind, it went to my spam folder.

[kenbenobi]

I don't think they were ever released individually.
OK, good. They have a trade-in listed only for The Matrix, so I assumed it was available by itself. Strange how they won't let me trade in the other two titles though...

[runner001]

I have a question. from the entire list of available movies to be swapped, which ones offer significant changes worthwhile enough to switch?

Perhaps my question can't be answered objectively, but if anyone has an opinion to offer...I can't think of enough titles to warrant the shipping fee plus the $5 for a movie I already have.

[ksyblues]

hd dvd is great but i worry also about my player crapping out.the only other player i'll get is an OPPO bd player late this year or next.i also hate those hd/dvd combos definetly getting rid of those.

[Trevor]

And 20 years later I can still buy Beta, CED, LaserDisc players on eBay - even brand new! And in 5 years the BD replacement (if the format is still viable) will be $5 or so as well ;)
True, but I think that we have to agree that, most likely, a Blu-ray disc has better potential utility than a HD disc.

Is it worth $5 to "upgrade"? Not to me I've decided. My HDs play fine, and by the time I may "need" a blu version of one of the titles (to be portable or whatever), it will likely be available for $6 or less.

But this upgrade plan makes good sense to people who either don't have a HD player anymore, or don't want to keep one in their limited home theater space. Or most likely people who want to buy discount HDs just to get cheap Blus.

[blokhed]

For certain titles it might be worth it to buy a cheap HD-DVD and pay the upgrade fee. Only if it's really cheap, though, since it's $5 + shipping + whatever you payed for the HD-DVD.

I may try and pick up Casablanca to exchange for the Blu-Ray. I wonder if it's just the movie, or if it's the box set? I'd imagine just the movie, which is fine by me.

[GenPion]

Yeah, I am passing on this for now. I might bite on a few before the promotion ends -- then again, I might not.

[vedderone]

Im doing this for the Harry Potter collection great deal to upgrade for the blu box set

[mick0016]

Here's my list:

300
Batman Begins
Constantine
The Departed
Harry Potter 1-5
I Am Legend
The Shining
Troy (regular cut)
V for Vendetta

I'm on the fence.... It would take me $70 to upgrade all of these. I've got a HD-A3 and a Xbox 360 HD-DVD player, so I'm not really concerned about not having a working player. Being able to play the movies in 1080p via BluRay & PS3 is a consideration, but my Optoma projector in my media room downconverts everything to 720p anyway.

I'm definitely thinking about trading in the HP's so that I can have the entie series in Blu-Ray & Troy to upgrade to the Directors Cut, but the rest, I'm not sure its worth it. Are any of these movies a noticeable upgrade / downgrade by moving to Blu-Ray?

[GenPion]

300 and Harry Potter 4/5 are supposed to have more bonus features on HD DVD than on Blu-ray. Troy is better on Blu-ray for obvious reasons from what I have read. As for the rest... I'm pretty sure they are almost identical. A few of them have Uncompressed PCM on Blu-ray over Dolby TrueHD which IMHO sounds a little bit better (but not much). And, really, it just depends.

[Greg613]

I am biting, I can pick up these for less than the price of Planet Earth.

Blazing Saddles: 30th Anniversary Special Edition
Casablanca, Ultimate Collector's Edition
Omega Man, The
Polar Express
Planet Earth: The Complete Collection
Perfect Storm, The

[mick0016]

Thanks. Saves me time from looking it up on Hidefdigest!

[EvlAsh]

Edit: Never mind, found my answer.

[Robert]

I have a question. from the entire list of available movies to be swapped, which ones offer significant changes worthwhile enough to switch?

Perhaps my question can't be answered objectively, but if anyone has an opinion to offer...I can't think of enough titles to warrant the shipping fee plus the $5 for a movie I already have.


<b>Batman Begins</b> and <b>V for Vendetta</b> are the best upgrades; you get a 50 gig BD instead of a 30 gig hd-dvd and they retain their TrueHD audio. The rest are indentical to their hd dvd counterparts and not worth upgrading if you still have a working hd dvd player.

[GenPion]

<b>Batman Begins</b> and <b>V for Vendetta</b> are the best upgrades; you get a 50 gig BD instead of a 30 gig hd-dvd and they retain their TrueHD audio. The rest are indentical to their hd dvd counterparts and not worth upgrading if you still have a working hd dvd player.

What's the difference in space amount to? Both releases are supposed to sport identical transfers and lossless audio tracks.

[Big Worms]

I believe that they have already announced plans for a 300 Blu-ray double dip.

There was supposed to be a boxset just like they did for I Am Legend.

[GizmoDVD]

300 and Harry Potter 4/5 are supposed to have more bonus features on HD DVD than on Blu-ray. Troy is better on Blu-ray for obvious reasons from what I have read. As for the rest... I'm pretty sure they are almost identical. A few of them have Uncompressed PCM on Blu-ray over Dolby TrueHD which IMHO sounds a little bit better (but not much). And, really, it just depends.

Troy DC on BD is identical to Troy DC on HD DVD. Troy (original) is not available on Blu-ray).

<b>Batman Begins</b> and <b>V for Vendetta</b> are the best upgrades; you get a 50 gig BD instead of a 30 gig hd-dvd and they retain their TrueHD audio. The rest are indentical to their hd dvd counterparts and not worth upgrading if you still have a working hd dvd player.

Space means nothing. Identical PQ/AQ.

[g]

If you send for Casablanca do you get the whole boxset with all the extras?

[Big Worms]

If you send for Casablanca do you get the whole boxset with all the extras?

It looks like it.

[cwwallace]

Didn't take me long to decide:

Blu-ray Item Price
Batman Begins (BD) $4.95
Casablanca, Ultimate Collector's Edition (BD) $4.95
Deliverance (BD) $4.95
Eyes Wide Shut: Special Edition (BD) $4.95
Ocean's Eleven (2001), Twelve & Thirteen Giftset (BD) $9.95
Last Samurai, The (BD) $4.95
Goodfellas (BD) $4.95
Scanner Darkly, A (BD) $4.95
Departed, The (BD) $4.95
Searchers, The (BD) $4.95
Superman II: Richard Donner Cut, The (BD) $4.95
Superman, The Movie (BD) $4.95
Subtotal $64.40
Tax $2.85
Shipping $6.95
Total $74.20

[GizmoDVD]

If you send for Casablanca do you get the whole boxset with all the extras?

No. You get Casablanca in a normal Blu-ray case. No extra junk.

[kevin75]

while this is a good deal, i wish they would've done this a year ago before i got rid of my hd-dvd's.

[g]

Its probably easier now because the majority of titles are older catalogue titles that are probably overstocked in blu now.

[Big Worms]

Its probably easier now because the majority of titles are older catalogue titles that are probably overstocked in blu now.

And I would guess only a small amount of people actually still own HD-DVDs.

[kenbenobi]

And I would guess only a small amount of people actually still own HD-DVDs.
I don't think that is true at all...

[videoguy]

oh great. now for those of us who still intend to collect cheap hd-dvds, we'll have a thousand coverless discs on ebay for cheap and not much else! I'm kind of bummed about it. I guess it's great for those of you who spent 20 bucks on each hd-dvd you bought, but now it just kind of helps further destroy the remaining hd-dvds in existence.

[Manzana]

You are paying ~$5 per title to "upgrade" to a format more likely to be playable in the future.

5 years from now, your HD players could have failed, and replacements will be harder to find/repair. And either way, you can't share them with others or play them in many places. And in 5 years blu-ray players may be common, making it easier to view the films on the go, and lend them out.

To me this is the key point which few people mention. I don't have any great desire or need to exchange HD-DVD to Blu-Ray, but when my HD-DVD players die, I don't want to be forced to buy a used one (which may also die soon) off eBay or pay $150 to get it repaired when the HD-DVD players brand new cost me about $80 each. Basically, I hate repair shops (they almost always charge too much) and I hate eBay (never bought a single thing off eBay and hope I never have to).

I'd be surprised if other studios do this trade-in, so even if I do this I'll still have a load of Universal and Paramount HD-DVDs.

[kk725]

so the REAL question is:
what deals can you piece together picking up a cheap HD disc somewhere and upgrading it?

My thoughts exactly...

[Manzana]

oh great. now for those of us who still intend to collect cheap hd-dvds, we'll have a thousand coverless discs on ebay for cheap and not much else! I'm kind of bummed about it. I guess it's great for those of you who spent 20 bucks on each hd-dvd you bought, but now it just kind of helps further destroy the remaining hd-dvds in existence.

I've tried trading in a few HD-DVDs at FYE, and they always tell me $1 or they have too many in inventory, so as far as I can tell the HD-DVD trade-in value is already destroyed at least at the retail level. I suppose HD-DVD prices are better on eBay, but I don't look at eBay. My last laugh was taking in a brand new, unopened Blade Runner 5 disc HD-DVD set to FYE and being told $1. I thought to myself I'd rather drive my car over it than give it to them for $1 so they can turn around and sell it for $20 (or whatever they sell it for).

Besides, we already know that the HD-DVDs that show up on eBay won't be coverless. They'll all have full color printouts of the scanned covers that look genuine until you examine them carefully.

[Manzana]

Spaceknight and kk725,

What places are left where you can buy HD-DVDs cheap enough to exchange to Blu-Ray to save money? All that comes to mind are a couple of dealers on Amazon (traderbora, closeoutmovies) and Inetvideo when they rarely have free shipping. So maybe $4 or $5 for a HD-DVD plus $5 to upgrade puts you at $10 for a Blu-Ray plus some effort. Considering it isn't that hard to find these titles on Blu-Ray for $15 or less, I wouldn't waste my time for a $5 savings.

What I am bummed about is that I ordered 6 Blu-Rays from the WBshop.com including one upgrade of The Searchers because I always got mad that I could never access the menus no matter which Toshiba HD-DVD firmware I loaded. So that order shipped yesterday where I end up paying $8.51 for it, and today I could've gotten it for $4.95 in this upgrade.

[kk725]

Spaceknight and kk725,

What places are left where you can buy HD-DVDs cheap enough to exchange to Blu-Ray to save money? All that comes to mind are a couple of dealers on Amazon (traderbora, closeoutmovies) and Inetvideo when they rarely have free shipping. So maybe $4 or $5 for a HD-DVD plus $5 to upgrade puts you at $10 for a Blu-Ray plus some effort. Considering it isn't that hard to find these titles on Blu-Ray for $15 or less, I wouldn't waste my time for a $5 savings.

I totally would! Besides, there were a couple of titles on there with a much-better-than-$5 difference. From iNetVideo, I grabbed:

Casablanca: $8.25 + R2B $5.95 = $14.20 vs. $40 on WBShop.com for the Ultimate Collector's Edition, which is what they upgrade you to. $25+ difference!
Happy Feet: $4.25 + R2B $5.95 = $10.20 vs. $22 on WBShop.com. $12 difference!
The Ultimate Matrix Collection: $26.50 + R2B $15.95 = $42.45 vs. $80 on WBShop.com for the Ultimate Collector's Edition, which is what they upgrade you to. $37+ difference, almost half the price!

I also got Syriana from Amazon, and will be saving over $10 on the R2B trade for that. It's definitely not worth it for all the titles because you have to hunt down the good prices, and then bother with sending them off to Warner, but there are definitely some good trades to be had without having already owned the HD-DVDs. :)

No. You get Casablanca in a normal Blu-ray case. No extra junk.

They show just a regular BD case when you click "Add to Upgrade", but it says "Casablanca: Ultimate Collector's Edition" below. :shrug: Didn't see a regular version in their shop... a good trade, either way.

[Ianscloset]

Well I bite the bullet and decided that I am going to replace ALL of my HD-DVD's... Just put in my first order for 25:

2001: A Space Odyssey: Special Edition - $4.95
300 - $4.95
Alexander Revisited: (Unrated) Final Cut, The - $4.95
Aviator, The - $4.95
Batman Begins - $4.95
Beerfest (Unrated) - $4.95
Blood Diamond - $4.95
Blazing Saddles: 30th Anniversary Special Edition - $4.95
Clockwork Orange, A: Special Edition - $4.95
Constantine - $4.95
Departed, The: Special Edition - $4.95
Eyes Wide Shut - $4.95
Fountain, The - $4.95
Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition - $4.95
Goodfellas - $4.95
Lady In The Water - $4.95
Last Samurai, The - $4.95
Pan's Labyrinth - $4.95
Road Warrior, The - $4.95
Scanner Darkly, A - $4.95
Shining, The: Special Edition - $4.95
Swordfish - $4.95
TMNT - $4.95
Training Day - $4.95
Troy Director's Cut (Unrated) - $4.95
Total: $123.75 + $6.95 (Shipping) + $5.50 (Tax) = 136.20 or $5.45 per disc.

I am going to put the remaining HD-DVD's on there (A couple of Boxsets) and just ship it to my parents house. I know its kind of dumb spending extra money but I know I will regret it later down the line!

[abintra]

They show just a regular BD case when you click "Add to Upgrade", but it says "Casablanca: Ultimate Collector's Edition" below. :shrug: Didn't see a regular version in their shop... a good trade, either way.

People calling WB about Casablanca have stated that WB is offering a 1 disc version of Casablanca and not the UE so don't expect to get that.

There are a couple of Amazon sellers with Happy Feet and Syriana for about $12 shipped currently (think those can be found around that price point from time to time). The Blu-ray version of Happy Feet also omits the TrueHD audio track.

[The Reaper]

Not interested at all. My HD DVDs are fine just the way they are.

[GenPion]

I'm surprised so many people are so excited by this "deal". It's a decent trade off for a few titles and I may "upgrade" a few -- but mostly, all I can think is "What's wrong with my HD DVD's? The fact that it's a dead format?" Because other than that aspect I see no major point in this overall if you have a good 1080p HD DVD player and the right equipment to get the best sound out of either format. I mean, I want the Ultimate Matrix set for The Animatrix in HD and the Harry Potter films and Batman Begins on Blu-ray so that they match. So as lame as I sorta feel even considering it, I may go this route. For everything else it seems like I'd be wasting money. And no way am I going to spend $5 for Lady in the Water on Blu-ray when it lacks Dolby TrueHD audio. Or even consider ditching my HD DVD's with titles like Forbidden Planet remaining unavailable on Blu-ray. That may not amount to much for some but to me it makes a huge difference.

Someday though I can see myself wanting more of these on Bu-ray. Which is why I'm considering this option on at least a few of the titles offered.

[kk725]

People calling WB about Casablanca have stated that WB is offering a 1 disc version of Casablanca and not the UE so don't expect to get that.

There are a couple of Amazon sellers with Happy Feet and Syriana for about $12 shipped currently (think those can be found around that price point from time to time). The Blu-ray version of Happy Feet also omits the TrueHD audio track.

Thanks for the clarification on Casablanca. Probably for the best as I don't know what I would have done with all the extra stuff. And I don't mind the omission of TrueHD with Happy Feet, I'm not real picky about that sort of thing.

[Ianscloset]

As much as I love HD-DVD (R.I.P.)... I am switching over as many of my copies as possible because I an OCD and want to make sure that I can have whats best looking for my shelf... and I am always worried that one of these days my A35 is going to die, and I will be screwed.

Basically, it will be a weight off my mind.

[lewisb73]

I'm surprised so many people are so excited by this "deal". It's a decent trade off for a few titles and I may "upgrade" a few -- but mostly, all I can think is "What's wrong with my HD DVD's? The fact that it's a dead format?" Because other than that aspect I see no major point in this overall if you have a good 1080p HD DVD player and the right equipment to get the best sound out of either format. I mean, I want the Ultimate Matrix set for The Animatrix in HD and the Harry Potter films and Batman Begins on Blu-ray so that they match. So as lame as I sorta feel even considering it, I may go this route. For everything else it seems like I'd be wasting money. And no way am I going to spend $5 for Lady in the Water on Blu-ray when it lacks Dolby TrueHD audio. Or even consider ditching my HD DVD's with titles like Forbidden Planet remaining unavailable on Blu-ray. That may not amount to much for some but to me it makes a huge difference.

Someday though I can see myself wanting more of these on Bu-ray. Which is why I'm considering this option on at least a few of the titles offered.


In some cases, I will make out better by upgrading to Blu-Ray... Planet Earth? Sold HD-dvd with reprinted artwork for 20, upgrade for only 10?... SOLD!!!... Same thing with Matrix, where I sell for more than the upgrade, and in the Matrix set's case... the Animatrix is in 1080p now... I make out pretty well from the titles Ive decided to upgrade

[Manzana]

In the Slickdeals parallel thread to this, I noticed some discussion whether Inetvideo's bilingual covers will qualify for this upgrade offer. I haven't checked to see if I have any Warner bilingual covers, but it would be a worry if I do.

I don't suppose anyone has talked to a Warner rep. for clarification on this to find out, for instance, that the UPC matching is all that matters?

Is there an easy way to verify if a bilingual cover has the same UPC as the UPC on "the official US release"?

[Nugent]

In the Slickdeals parallel thread to this, I noticed some discussion whether Inetvideo's bilingual covers will qualify for this upgrade offer. I haven't checked to see if I have any Warner bilingual covers, but it would be a worry if I do.

I don't suppose anyone has talked to a Warner rep. for clarification on this to find out, for instance, that the UPC matching is all that matters?

Is there an easy way to verify if a bilingual cover has the same UPC as the UPC on "the official US release"?

I wound up with two copies of the Oceans Trilogy. One US version and one of the bi-lingual versions. The UPC codes are definitely different.

[videoguy]

To me this is the key point which few people mention. I don't have any great desire or need to exchange HD-DVD to Blu-Ray, but when my HD-DVD players die, I don't want to be forced to buy a used one (which may also die soon) off eBay or pay $150 to get it repaired when the HD-DVD players brand new cost me about $80 each. Basically, I hate repair shops (they almost always charge too much) and I hate eBay (never bought a single thing off eBay and hope I never have to).

I'd be surprised if other studios do this trade-in, so even if I do this I'll still have a load of Universal and Paramount HD-DVDs.

How can you hate ebay if you've never bought anything off of it? All you have to do is look for an auction with a decent and full description that matches what you are looking for! I've bought a ton of things and only one or two auctions have gone sour.

[videoguy]

[QUOTE=

Besides, we already know that the HD-DVDs that show up on eBay won't be coverless. They'll all have full color printouts of the scanned covers that look genuine until you examine them carefully.[/QUOTE]

I don't think so. How many people do you think are actually going to take the time to do that, to spend the time to scan it nice, print it nice, and cut it out perfectly to fit in the case?

Nah, they will show up on ebay as is.

[blokhed]

I wound up with two copies of the Oceans Trilogy. One US version and one of the bi-lingual versions. The UPC codes are definitely different.
Shoot, I hadn't thought of that. I ordered new copies of Casablanca and Ultimate Matrix from Inetvideo yesterday with the intention of upgrading them. I hope they come with US UPCs.

[BrandonJF]

while this is a good deal, i wish they would've done this a year ago before i got rid of my hd-dvd's.

Me too. I even re-bought almost everything on Blu-Ray already. The only WB HD-DVD I have left is Smallville Season 5, since it hasn't made it to Blu-Ray yet.

If only Universal would jump on this bandwagon.

[kenbenobi]

Shoot, I hadn't thought of that. I ordered new copies of Casablanca and Ultimate Matrix from Inetvideo yesterday with the intention of upgrading them. I hope they come with US UPCs.
You coulda saved $2.23 by getting the Complete Matrix instead. Somebody said they are upgrading that one to the Ultimate BD as well...

[GizmoDVD]

I totally would! Besides, there were a couple of titles on there with a much-better-than-$5 difference. From iNetVideo, I grabbed:

Casablanca: $8.25 + R2B $5.95 = $14.20 vs. $40 on WBShop.com for the Ultimate Collector's Edition, which is what they upgrade you to. $25+ difference!
Happy Feet: $4.25 + R2B $5.95 = $10.20 vs. $22 on WBShop.com. $12 difference!
The Ultimate Matrix Collection: $26.50 + R2B $15.95 = $42.45 vs. $80 on WBShop.com for the Ultimate Collector's Edition, which is what they upgrade you to. $37+ difference, almost half the price!

I also got Syriana from Amazon, and will be saving over $10 on the R2B trade for that. It's definitely not worth it for all the titles because you have to hunt down the good prices, and then bother with sending them off to Warner, but there are definitely some good trades to be had without having already owned the HD-DVDs. :)

They show just a regular BD case when you click "Add to Upgrade", but it says "Casablanca: Ultimate Collector's Edition" below. :shrug: Didn't see a regular version in their shop... a good trade, either way.

FYI - You just downgraded Happy Feet in terms of audio quality (HD had TrueHD BD had DD5.1).

[GizmoDVD]

If only Universal would jump on this bandwagon.

How would Universal do this when 65%+ of their HD DVD library is not available on Blu-ray?

[tofferman]

How would Universal do this when 65%+ of their HD DVD library is not available on Blu-ray?

Great point. I would like to think Universal would catch up by the end of this year.

Furthermore, Paramount has the $10 upgrade rebate promotion on their blu-rays, but I refuse to remove the tabs in order to take advantage. I wish they could simply replicate Warner's promotion.

[GizmoDVD]

Great point. I would like to think Universal would catch up by the end of this year.

Furthermore, Paramount has the $10 upgrade rebate promotion on their blu-rays, but I refuse to remove the tabs in order to take advantage. I wish they could simply replicate Warner's promotion.

They won't. Many titles Universal put out on HD DVD just to fluff out retail shelves so I doubt all of them will even get released.

[HockeyMan2000]

They won't. Many titles Universal put out on HD DVD just to fluff out retail shelves so I doubt all of them will even get released.

Not only that, but at the rate they're going, it'll take years, not months, to finish off the dozens of HD-DVD titles that have yet to make it to Blu-Ray.

[GenPion]

And I don't mind the omission of TrueHD with Happy Feet, I'm not real picky about that sort of thing.

Do you have a receiver/surround sound setup capable of lossless high definition audio? If you do, I would think you would be upset over the loss of HD audio. The difference can be pretty huge. In any case, I have yet to hear a HD audio track that doesn't sound better than the regular surround sound track. I refuse to fork over $5 on something that is technically a downgrade in overall quality.

[ksyblues]

as much as i love hd dvd,i have to decide how many to trade.my toshiba is an a3.so it converts only to 1080i as opposed to my blu ray player 1080p not a huge difference but a difference none the less.but i'm trying to hoard my money for the fat bd releases coming in the later this year.

[blokhed]

You coulda saved $2.23 by getting the Complete Matrix instead. Somebody said they are upgrading that one to the Ultimate BD as well...
Really? I almost bought the Complete Matrix but decided for Ultimate because there wasn't a listing for Complete Matrix on the red2blu site. Unless I hear confirmation from a WB source, I'm more comfortable forking over the extra $2.23.

[Subgeniusguy]

Do you have a receiver/surround sound setup capable of lossless high definition audio? If you do, I would think you would be upset over the loss of HD audio. The difference can be pretty huge. In any case, I have yet to hear a HD audio track that doesn't sound better than the regular surround sound track. I refuse to fork over $5 on something that is technically a downgrade in overall quality.

Doesn't kk725 get to keep the HD-DVD disc too though and just mail-in the artwork? Someday if the old HD-DVD playing device finally dies the BD will already be there and waiting.

[GenPion]

Doesn't kk725 get to keep the HD-DVD disc too though and just mail-in the artwork? Someday if the old HD-DVD playing device finally dies the BD will already be there and waiting.

True, but by then -- if indeed his HD DVD drive fails on him -- isn't it possible they will have re-released this on Blu-ray with lossless audio and with a lower list price? Therefore, the Blu-ray he is ordering now will be worthless. At least that is my understanding. And even if that doesn't happen I still don't see the point. He can enjoy the HD DVD now and buy the Blu-ray someday when its cheaper if the HD DVD drive fails on him. Or, for that matter, he could try and track down another HD DVD player.

Ah well. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[kenbenobi]

Really? I almost bought the Complete Matrix but decided for Ultimate because there wasn't a listing for Complete Matrix on the red2blu site. Unless I hear confirmation from a WB source, I'm more comfortable forking over the extra $2.23.
Someone called, and was told they have a memo stating that. I'm not saying that is valid confirmation, but I suppose anyone could call and verify it if they wanted to hear it from WB themselves... Well, this way your HD-DVD set is worth more. If you were planning on flipping it anyway, then you were probably better off getting the Ultimate set...

[Manzana]

Has anyone called WB about whether Inetvideo bilingual covers (apparently with different UPCs than the normal US versions) will work for this deal?

I was hoping someone would call so that I don't have to, but maybe WB's home video customer service (I don't have the number handy) isn't as bad as I would expect from your average studio.

[DVD Polizei]

I haven't called them, but I seriously doubt WB will accept them.

[kk725]

True, but by then -- if indeed his HD DVD drive fails on him -- isn't it possible they will have re-released this on Blu-ray with lossless audio and with a lower list price? Therefore, the Blu-ray he is ordering now will be worthless. At least that is my understanding. And even if that doesn't happen I still don't see the point. He can enjoy the HD DVD now and buy the Blu-ray someday when its cheaper if the HD DVD drive fails on him. Or, for that matter, he could try and track down another HD DVD player.

Ah well. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

LOL, if my HD-DVD drive fails, the BD drive fails as well, as it's a single drive capable of playing both formats. I watch my BDs on my PC and do not have a fancy speaker setup. Even if I did, I doubt I would appreciate the difference in sound quality. However, as Subgeniusguy noted, I'll still have the HD-DVD disc if ever I do get an HDTV and nice home theater system (and there's still an HD-DVD player to be had). If not, and should I decide that the audio quality of my Happy Feet BD is not quite to my liking, I'll find and purchase the re-release with TrueHD if such a release has indeed been issued. :D

Has anyone called WB about whether Inetvideo bilingual covers (apparently with different UPCs than the normal US versions) will work for this deal?

Hmmm... didn't realize that was the case with iNetVideo's inventory. Here's hoping the discs either won't come that way, or WB will accept them!

[runner001]

All these prices people have been figuring out regarding the "upgrade", I don't see anyone adding the extra $6 for shipping to WB. And for those ordering something from Inetvideo just for the trade, you also have to pay an additional shipping charge.

I would imagine that after both shipping charges are added, the "trade" would (at best) be comparable to any sale fellow DVDTalkers might find in the near future.

[Pizza]

All these prices people have been figuring out regarding the "upgrade", I don't see anyone adding the extra $6 for shipping to WB. And for those ordering something from Inetvideo just for the trade, you also have to pay an additional shipping charge.

I would imagine that after both shipping charges are added, the "trade" would (at best) be comparable to any sale fellow DVDTalkers might find in the near future.

The flat 6.95 shipping cost has been mentioned several times. Obviously, if you're going for one or two blu's it raises the cost by a higher percent. If you're going after more plus box sets, such as I did, it's under a buck a film which is fine by me.

[Phibes]

I believe that they have already announced plans for a 300 Blu-ray double dip.

Well, I went ahead and "swapped" my HD DVDs of 300 and the Potters since you get to keep the HD discs and I'll just put the HDs in the Blu cases in an envelope. My PS3 has become the player of choice and I rarely turn on the HD DVD player anymore. Just recently it was fired up because my daughter wanted to watch Stardust. Damn fine film. Just wish it was on Blu and Paramount had a similar trade in program :(.

[Steve Phillips]

FYI - You just downgraded Happy Feet in terms of audio quality (HD had TrueHD BD had DD5.1).

How? You KEEP the HD DVD disc, and only send in the cover art. So after he gets his Blu version, he'll have both.

[blokhed]

All these prices people have been figuring out regarding the "upgrade", I don't see anyone adding the extra $6 for shipping to WB. And for those ordering something from Inetvideo just for the trade, you also have to pay an additional shipping charge.

I would imagine that after both shipping charges are added, the "trade" would (at best) be comparable to any sale fellow DVDTalkers might find in the near future.
I took all that into account when I ordered Ultimate Matrix and Casablanca. For most other movies it's not worth it, but for those two, it is.

[Yo Mama]

I have both the complete and ultimate Matrix sets. When you do the upgrade, they ask you to return the sleeve from matrix revolutions. The ID on matrix revolutions is different on each set.

[GizmoDVD]

How? You KEEP the HD DVD disc, and only send in the cover art. So after he gets his Blu version, he'll have both.

Yes - but why even bother at that point? If you have the TrueHD HD DVD why would you watch the DD5.1 Blu-ray unless your HD DVD player died?

[BobSolo]

This guy took advantage and upgraded everything. Love the crap about not having the covers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/21-HD-DVD-Lot-Planet-Earth-Sopranos-Batman-Begins-300_W0QQitemZ230338917187QQihZ013QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[GizmoDVD]

This guy took advantage and upgraded everything. Love the crap about not having the covers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/21-HD-DVD-Lot-Planet-Earth-Sopranos-Batman-Begins-300_W0QQitemZ230338917187QQihZ013QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Good for him. Still priced $100 more then what I would pay for a complete collection of those films. The picture needs to be retaken without the artwork though as many will assume you get artwork.

[kenbenobi]

This guy took advantage and upgraded everything. Love the crap about not having the covers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/21-HD-DVD-Lot-Planet-Earth-Sopranos-Batman-Begins-300_W0QQitemZ230338917187QQihZ013QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
No way in hell he'll get $210 for that... I'll be shocked if he does...

[kk725]

No way in hell he'll get $210 for that... I'll be shocked if he does...

Agreed. Maybe $10 for the season sets and $5 for each HD-DVD and they'd sell...

"Please take not that due to the low shipping rate ebay makes me charge, I am only sending these movies as discs only.".

What a hoot... love that eBay is regulating shipping charges now, though.

[stronghold7000]

Agreed. Maybe $10 for the season sets and $5 for each HD-DVD and they'd sell...

"Please take not that due to the low shipping rate ebay makes me charge, I am only sending these movies as discs only.".

What a hoot... love that eBay is regulating shipping charges now, though.


I'd win the auction and say that "Please note, due to the recession, I am paying you by photocopied bank notes only".

[GenPion]

No way in hell he'll get $210 for that... I'll be shocked if he does...


Yeah, there's no way. You'd have to be an idiot to give the guy that much.

I'm think about upgrading a few titles and selling the discs only with my HD-A2 player since I just got a HD-A30. I should be able to get a decent amount that way but what that guys asking just for those discs is way too much IMHO.

I'm just on the fence on whether or not I should "upgrade" my Harry Potter or Kubrick films from HD DVD to Blu-ray. Probably not. The quality is the same so it doesn't seem like it would be smart for me to do so.

[vietduckboi]

ummm... sorry if this has been mentioned, i couldn't find it, but does the Ultimate Matrix Set fro InetVideo come with the bilingual cover or not?

[gimmepilotwings]

I never got a confirmation email from red2blu

[abintra]

I never got a confirmation email from red2blu

If you haven't already, check your spam folder.

[whotony]

has anyone noticed that casablanca and ult matrix goes up $5 when you go to checkout?

[kk725]

If you haven't already, check your spam folder.

Hmm... I didn't get my confirmation, either. Checked SPAM folder, nada. Wonder if they'll resend. :confused:

iNetVideo has put a whole ton of their HD-DVDs on sale, including a few from the Red2Blue swap. Here's all the ones $4.99 or less:

300 $1.99 (NEW)
Alexander Revisited $4.99 (NEW)
Blazing Saddles $4.99 (NEW)
Enter the Dragon $1.99 (NEW)
Goodfellas $4.99 (NEW)
Happy Feet $1.99 (NEW)
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets $3.99 (USED)
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix $3.99 (NEW)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban $4.49 (USED)
Lethal Weapon $1.49 (USED) $1.99 (NEW)
Lethal Weapon 2 $3.49 (USED) $3.99 (NEW)
National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation $3.99 (NEW)
Scooby-Doo - The Movie $3.99 (USED)
Superman - The Movie $3.99 (NEW)
Swordfish $3.49 (USED) $3.99 (NEW)
The Fountain $1.99 (NEW)
The Fugitive $4.99 (NEW)
The Last Samurai $4.99 (NEW)
The Perfect Storm $3.99 (NEW)
The Road Warrior $4.99 (NEW)
Training Day $4.99 (NEW)
Troy $3.99 (USED)

[Patman]

Looks like WB did bump up the price on a few of the collector sets:

Casablanca $9.95
Ultimate Matrix set $19.95
Harry Potter 1-5 set $19.95
Planet Earth $14.95

[DVD Polizei]

Yeah, there's no way. You'd have to be an idiot to give the guy that much.

I'm think about upgrading a few titles and selling the discs only with my HD-A2 player since I just got a HD-A30. I should be able to get a decent amount that way but what that guys asking just for those discs is way too much IMHO.

I'm just on the fence on whether or not I should "upgrade" my Harry Potter or Kubrick films from HD DVD to Blu-ray. Probably not. The quality is the same so it doesn't seem like it would be smart for me to do so.

I wouldn't upgrade your HP films just yet. Kubrick films, I wouldn't as well.

I'm kinda hesitating on this upgrading thing, personally. Just looking at these final checkout prices for some of you, ranging over $100 for 25 titles...that you already own in the first place...seems wrong. WB should be offering a postage-paid envelope, we mail the covers back to them in the envelope, and they ship the movies out to us media mail. Shipping is a deduction as a cost of doing business, so WB is being way too conservative on their philanthropy.

Why not just offer a coupon for the same Blu-ray movie at a local retailer once they received the proper cover and not even bother with sending the movies out to us. We would just get the coupon in the mail, and head down to any retailer with the movie in stock. Problem solved. No shipping charges necessary.

[g]

That isnt fair that they raised the prices and let some people have the cheaper price. We should complain to the wb.

[IamLegend]

I kept thinking..better get on this before they change prices or something.."snooze you lose on internet promotions" should be always headed..hate that.

[Manzana]

Looks like WB did bump up the price on a few of the collector sets:

Casablanca $9.95
Ultimate Matrix set $19.95
Harry Potter 1-5 set $19.95
Planet Earth $14.95

Stinkin' Warner Bros.! Thanks for pulling an Amazon! I was hoping they wouldn't start playing with the prices before I got to deal with this. Unfortunately my work was hammering me during the week (as usual) and there was just no way on earth I could go through the upgrade list, check reviews, and decide which ones I wanted before this Saturday. Now they jacked up the prices on Ultimate Matrix and Planet Earth, so I doubt I'll be upgrading those now just on principle. By tomorrow when I finally get time who knows what else they'll jack up in price or maybe yank from the offer completely. I'm borderline as it is, if anything goes up even $1 then screw it and I'll live with my HD-DVDs.

It's like all these places see too many orders for something and say to themselves "oops... we're giving too good of a deal, otherwise so many people wouldn't be getting it. Even though at the beginning we decided that was a fair price which covered our costs and made us an acceptable level of profit, let's raise the prices to hurt the people who order later because we see an opportunity to make more profit. That way maybe we can get bigger raises or bonuses next year".

[GenPion]

I wouldn't upgrade your HP films just yet. Kubrick films, I wouldn't as well.

I'm kinda hesitating on this upgrading thing, personally. Just looking at these final checkout prices for some of you, ranging over $100 for 25 titles...that you already own in the first place...seems wrong. WB should be offering a postage-paid envelope, we mail the covers back to them in the envelope, and they ship the movies out to us media mail. Shipping is a deduction as a cost of doing business, so WB is being way too conservative on their philanthropy.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I'm listening.

I'm thinking about placing an order now for the following:
The Matrix: 10th Anniversary $4.95
Ultimate Matrix Collection, The $19.95
Planet Earth: The Complete Collection (BBC) $14.95
Pan's Labyrinth $4.95
Casablanca, Ultimate Collector's Edition $9.95
Batman Begins $4.95

My Matrix for the Matrix Digibook (which I will either keep as a collectors item or sell -- either option is tempting). The Ultimate Matrix Collection makes sense because it has all the bonus materials my complete collection didn't have. And I am a huge fan of The Animatrix as well so seeing that in 1080p High Definition with lossless audio is a big upgrade IMHO. Planet Earth I'll do this for because my sets case had a somewhat odd stench since I traded for it over a year ago. Weird, I know... Pan's Labyrinth I'm trading in as my PS3 will be able to process the DTS-HD Master Audio. Casablanca, so that I can get the fancy collectors edition. And Batman Begins, because my cover art was a bit wrinkled and then it will also match The Dark Knight.

I am NOT "upgrading" the Harry Potter or Kubrick films. Or any of my MANY other Warner titles either.

The discs that I have left over will go in cases w/o covers, along with several HD DVD's I wanted to sell by themselves in a lot with my HD-A2 player on eBay. I think this will be a good way to balance it all out.

[jlohcc]

Is it just me or was the Planet Earth set removed from the site?

[Pizza]

Looks like WB did bump up the price on a few of the collector sets:

Casablanca $9.95
Ultimate Matrix set $19.95
Harry Potter 1-5 set $19.95
Planet Earth $14.95
I was fearful that would happen, which is why I jumped on the deal as fast I as I could.

[Scotts35]

So I'm upgrading 19 discs. Hit order, and the site has been "loading" for the last 15 minutes.

[vman69]

I wouldn't upgrade your HP films just yet. Kubrick films, I wouldn't as well.
I'm just curious,Why not?

[gr8col]

Okay, is it just me or have they taken down "Planet Earth?" I keep refreshing and clearing my cookies, but I don't see "Planet Earth."

[GenPion]

I'm just curious,Why not?

Probably because there is no major difference between the releases at all. Meaning that it's sorta like throwing away $5 a film for a blue case -- if you think about it that way. It really sort of is.

[theMadness]

Okay, is it just me or have they taken down "Planet Earth?" I keep refreshing and clearing my cookies, but I don't see "Planet Earth."

Read in another forum that it has been removed from the list.

[videoguy]

This guy took advantage and upgraded everything. Love the crap about not having the covers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/21-HD-DVD-Lot-Planet-Earth-Sopranos-Batman-Begins-300_W0QQitemZ230338917187QQihZ013QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This supports my statement from earlier. For those of us still collecting hd-dvds, now we'll be stuck with these types of auctions and discs without cases and cover art. I hate rebates and stuff like this that essentially trashes or breaks up the original item. It's wasteful!

[Pizza]

Probably because there is no major difference between the releases at all. Meaning that it's sorta like throwing away $5 a film for a blue case -- if you think about it that way. It really sort of is.

You could make that argument for all of the titles as each one is subject to come out in a bigger, badder edition. And for those who feel it's a waste of money then it would be silly to indulge. Get right down to it, one could argue our entire collections are a big old waste of cash. With that, I'm happy to get an additional copy of movies and shows I love in another format for what I consider to be a cheap price.

[Manzana]

* Wednesday - I copied down a list of nearly 25 HD-DVDs I wanted to upgrade to Blu-Ray. Top on my list my Ultimate Matrix, Planet Earth, and Ocean's Trilogy. I was happy about only having to send in the paper slip on the back of Ultimate Matrix leaving my covers intact.
* Friday afternoon - Warner jacks up the prices on Ultimate Matrix and Planet Earth (probably will jack up Ocean's Trilogy before I can get my order in today). That makes me mad.
* Saturday morning - I wake up to read that Warner dropped Planet Earth from the list (rather than jacking it up yet another $5 as I figured they'd do) and changed the Ultimate Matrix to require sending in my Revolutions cover. So figuring they'll screw around with the few remaining titles in the list of what I really want, I start to compare reviews for each remaining title on DVD Basen to find out that many are identical down to the extras and encodes, and that several Blu-Rays (300, Ant Bully, Happy Feet) have inferior audio or are missing extras. The list of ones to upgrade gets smaller and smaller.

If WB has made any more changes by the time I get the order placed in a few hours, then I'm going to forget the whole thing. At first it was thumbs up to Warner for offering this, but for me that has now turned to a big thumbs down by raising prices, changing requirements, and deleting titles which punishes people like me who work during the week and have a family who can't get around to dealing with "deals" like this until the weekend at which point the "deal" is no longer such a great deal due to WB's constant tampering as they realized they were giving too good of a deal on some titles and had to put a stop to that! Those are my opinions. Sorry to rant, but I'm a bit mad at WB now!

[dhmac]

Besides the BBC's Planet Earth being removed, it looks like the BBC's Galapagos has also been removed.

[brianluvdvd]

"Please take not that due to the low shipping rate ebay makes me charge, I am only sending these movies as discs only.".

What a hoot... love that eBay is regulating shipping charges now, though.

That's not true is it? I figured the guy just posted that so he could get away with saying he's not shipping the cases and the buyer can't bitch about it.

[HockeyMan2000]

You could make that argument for all of the titles as each one is subject to come out in a bigger, badder edition.

Yes but for 99% of these discs there's no difference between these particular releases in any regard. The encode is the same, the audio is the same, the supplements are the same. There are probably less than a handful, literally, that makes any difference -- one way or the other. Unless you're dumping your HD-DVD player this is actually, ultimately, just a way for Warner to recoup a few bucks on catalog BD titles that have been around for months now and probably aren't selling in mass numbers.

[David Levine]

I wouldn't upgrade your HP films just yet. Kubrick films, I wouldn't as well.

I'm upgrading the newest Harry Potter film because its the only one that is a combo-disc. That's worth 5.00 to me to replace.

[Greg613]

I checked out before they removed Planet Earth, but the receipt I got doesn't say anything about special instructions. Does anyone know if you have to send the outer box, or just the art?

[Darknite39]

I was going to get Planet Earth and Smallville S6 exchanged b/c they skip a little. But now, screw it. I didn't know WB was owned by Amazon.

[GenPion]

You could make that argument for all of the titles as each one is subject to come out in a bigger, badder edition. And for those who feel it's a waste of money then it would be silly to indulge. Get right down to it, one could argue our entire collections are a big old waste of cash. With that, I'm happy to get an additional copy of movies and shows I love in another format for what I consider to be a cheap price.

That's fine. And your right that some would argue our entire collections are a waste of cash. I myself disagree as a film fan as I'm sure you do too. Keep in mind, however, that the Harry Potter films are destined to be re-released in a few years with new bonus materials and likely new transfers/audio encodes once the entire series wraps -- and all in one big, nice, fancy set. Ill be picking that set up if the price is right on Blu-ray.

My main point was that most of us wouldn't want to buy two copies of a film on DVD that are identical because there's absolutely no point to that. So there should be very few good reasons in my opinion to "upgrade" (AKA: Convert) a title on HD DVD over to Blu-ray if that title happens to be almost entirely identical in quality. To me that is no different than buying two copies of a film on DVD or two copies on HD DVD or two on Blu-ray. That's all the same in the end. I am not referring to double dipping for a better release. I'm definitely in for the Ultimate Matrix set as it's a definite upgrade. And while I think people with very few HD DVD's would be wise to just ditch their players and upgrade the titles from Warner Bros they have some of us own a good number of HD DVD's and I don't think it would make as much sense to go this route. I have around 100 titles. 100 X $5 is $500. That's not taking into account Box Sets, shipping, the initial cost of the HD DVD's, or the fact that so far only Warner Bros is running this kind of promotion and the fact that studios like Universal are unlikely to join in with the massive amount of titles they have yet to port over to Blu-ray (with certain titles actually seeming unlikely for release on Blu-ray at all in the near future).

I refuse to get rid of all my HD DVD's because of this and while titles like Lady in the Water have Dolby TrueHD audio on HD DVD and only Dolby Digital on Blu-ray, and Forbidden Planet is not even available on Blu-ray to me Warner Bros has answered my own question as to whether or not I should fork over $100 for 18 films I already own.

If your buying the Blu-ray copies to own additional copies that doesn't make too much sense to me unless there are bonus materials that are only made available on each specific format. If that's the case then I guess I see your point. Otherwise, go ahead and indulge in this if you want to but I'd just get rid of the extra HD DVD.

And, of course, for both of us this just comes down to a matter of opinion.

[yellowlt4]

That's not true is it? I figured the guy just posted that so he could get away with saying he's not shipping the cases and the buyer can't bitch about it.


Yes, Ebay does "regulate" shipping charges. I don't know what the limits are off the top of my head but Ebay did limit what I could charge for shipping on the last round of DVD's I dumped on Ebay.

[Pizza]

Keep in mind, however, that the Harry Potter films are destined to be re-released in a few years with new bonus materials and likely new transfers/audio encodes once the entire series wraps -- and all in one big, nice, fancy set. Ill be picking that set up if the price is right on Blu-ray.
As you should. My point is that all these titles can potentially come out with new tranfers. Heck, one day all or any of these could come out in 3D. It will alwasy be an endless cycle.

My main point was that most of us wouldn't want to buy two copies of a film on DVD that are identical because there's absolutely no point to that. So there should be very few good reasons in my opinion to "upgrade" (AKA: Convert) a title on HD DVD over to Blu-ray if that title happens to be almost entirely identical in quality.
I think we can agree to disagree here. This is all personal opinion of course. For me, there is a difference between HD DVD and Blu-ray. There both hi-def video but still two different formats with one already dead and, yes, I know my HD player still works, etc. Hopefully blu will survive, but who knows? Maybe this time next year it will be a goner too.

And, of course, for both of us this just comes down to a matter of opinion.Absolutely. :)

[Nugent]

Yes, Ebay does "regulate" shipping charges. I don't know what the limits are off the top of my head but Ebay did limit what I could charge for shipping on the last round of DVD's I dumped on Ebay.

It's $3 per DVD. Or in this case he is selling as a lot with only one listing and the amount eBay will allow is still a whole $3.

I sold my complete Seinfeld series in the individual season packages and was allowed to charge a whopping $3 to ship all of them.

[brianluvdvd]

It's $3 per DVD. Or in this case he is selling as a lot with only one listing and the amount eBay will allow is still a whole $3.

I sold my complete Seinfeld series in the individual season packages and was allowed to charge a whopping $3 to ship all of them.

When did they start doing this? I know some people let their shipping charges get out of hand but I don't think this is a very good move. Especially for people like me who insist on insurance on higher dollar items (OOP dvds and such) or those who sell stuff in lots.

One more Ebay fuck-up.

[whotony]

ebay has been doing this for a long time now.
there was or is a topic in the store forum.

[danganrunner]

I heard that you don't get any cover art with your new blu ray disc. Can anybody confirm this? Does the blu ray come in just an empty blu ray case w/o cover art.

[WMAangel]

I heard that you don't get any cover art with your new blu ray disc. Can anybody confirm this? Does the blu ray come in just an empty blu ray case w/o cover art.

No, you will get a brand new shrink-wrapped copy, just like the ones they sell in stores.....

[kenbenobi]

I'm shocked they removed titles already. I was thinking they might ADD more titles, but never imagined they'd jack up prices or remove titles so quickly. I haven't had a chance to go through all of mine. I probably wasn't going to trade in my Planet Earth anyway, but I still don't like that they did that. I guess I'm stuck paying the extra 5 bucks for the Matrix. Still worth the upgrade...

[The Cow]

For those surprised at changes, it's still a business.

ECO101: Supply/Demand

ECO101a - Internet changes can happen on a whim.

[darkside]

When did they start doing this? I know some people let their shipping charges get out of hand but I don't think this is a very good move. Especially for people like me who insist on insurance on higher dollar items (OOP dvds and such) or those who sell stuff in lots.

One more Ebay fuck-up.

Yeah I just had to deal with this. With box sets it forces you to send them media mail or eat shipping costs. Then the buyers get pissed because you didn't ship it to them priority for $3. Not to mention you don't even get the full $3 since paypal takes a percentage of it as well.

[ksyblues]

went for 8 titles,but 4 where in a best of box set all for $44.but sold off a couple of the hddvd titles so that lowers it so far to $4 a bd.

[pmreed]

When did they start doing this? I know some people let their shipping charges get out of hand but I don't think this is a very good move. Especially for people like me who insist on insurance on higher dollar items (OOP dvds and such) or those who sell stuff in lots.

One more Ebay fuck-up.

I don't even charge for shipping anymore; I make all my normal auctions ship for free, and just roll normal shipping charges into the starting price.

[HockeyMan2000]

When did they start doing this? I know some people let their shipping charges get out of hand but I don't think this is a very good move. Especially for people like me who insist on insurance on higher dollar items (OOP dvds and such) or those who sell stuff in lots.

If you sell in lots Ebay allows you to charge substantially more than $3. You have to make sure you sell them in "Wholesale Lots" as opposed to the usual DVD category -- see here:

http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/MaxShipping/index.html

[johngalt83]

I have the Ocean's box set, but there doesn't seem to be a upc on the box anywhere. Are you supposed to write it on the flattened box? I'd like to upgrade the set instead of paying for all three. Any help is appreciated.

[blokhed]

Looks like WB did bump up the price on a few of the collector sets:

Casablanca $9.95
Ultimate Matrix set $19.95
Damn it, for the only two titles I was going to upgrade. Thanks, WB.

[Perfect Tommy]

Looks like WB did bump up the price on a few of the collector sets:

Casablanca $9.95
Ultimate Matrix set $19.95
Harry Potter 1-5 set $19.95
Planet Earth $14.95

Not to state the obvious, but I imagine they raised the price for Ultimate Matrix to offset the perceived loss from allowing the Complete Matrix to be used for the upgrade.

Casablanca does note on the site that it is the Ultimate Collector's Edition. I would assume from that statement it would be the box set and not just the disc.

[David Levine]

Not to state the obvious, but I imagine they raised the price for Ultimate Matrix to offset the perceived loss from allowing the Complete Matrix to be used for the upgrade.

Casablanca does note on the site that it is the Ultimate Collector's Edition. I would assume from that statement it would be the box set and not just the disc.

Exactly. They expanded the trade-in on the Matrix and most likely didn't plan to originally give away the fancy Casablanca.

I have no problem with them asking for an extra 5 for both of those.

[kk725]

I don't even charge for shipping anymore; I make all my normal auctions ship for free, and just roll normal shipping charges into the starting price.

Kudos to you! This is what all sellers should have been doing in the first place, instead of putting a dirt cheap price on the item and making people think they were getting a deal, and then slamming them with a $10 shipping fee for a single item that weighed less than a pound. With your method, people think they're saving because, "Oh, free shipping!", and you're not losing money. I was an eBay seller for a couple of years and whenever I miscalculated shipping, I'd always put the couple dollars extra my buyer had paid in the package with their item. If you're gonna make money, be fair about it and make money on the actual item, not via inflated/dishonest shipping prices. :thumbsup:

If you haven't already, check your spam folder.

Thanks, found mind as well. Didn't look in the server-based SPAM folder. :) Soon as the HD-DVDs arrive, out comes the art, and off it goes!

[blucadet3]

It's $3 per DVD. Or in this case he is selling as a lot with only one listing and the amount eBay will allow is still a whole $3.

I sold my complete Seinfeld series in the individual season packages and was allowed to charge a whopping $3 to ship all of them.

Add your shipping charge into your asking price, choose free shipping. Problem solved.

If this doesnt work for you, you are probably asking more than the going rate.

LOL I just saw I'm like the 10th person to say the same thing...

[That'sAllFolks]

Kudos to you! This is what all sellers should have been doing in the first place, instead of putting a dirt cheap price on the item and making people think they were getting a deal, and then slamming them with a $10 shipping fee for a single item that weighed less than a pound. With your method, people think they're saving because, "Oh, free shipping!", and you're not losing money. I was an eBay seller for a couple of years and whenever I miscalculated shipping, I'd always put the couple dollars extra my buyer had paid in the package with their item. If you're gonna make money, be fair about it and make money on the actual item, not via inflated/dishonest shipping prices.

While your example is exaggerated ($10 for shipping), eBay, Amazon and Half do not take into account large sets (like the complete "Buffy", Seinfeld, etc) and still madate 3.00 charge for those. If you offer free shipping, you are paying ebay an extra .36-.45 PER auction. This really adds up when the margin is so low anyway and the sales are not that great. I only offer free shipping on large sets.

Back to the topic, the only HD DVD I was thinking of upgrading was the Matrix, but with the price hikes, I'll probably pass ... This sounds OK, but I think I might get it for around the cost of the set eventually.

[hotwls13]

I turned in my order last week.

Blu-ray Item Price
300 (BD) $4.95
Alexander Revisited: (Unrated) Final Cut, The (Dbl BD) $4.95
Departed, The (BD) $4.95
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (BD) $4.95
Harry Potter and the Order Of The Phoenix (BD) $4.95
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (BD) $4.95
Last Samurai, The (BD) $4.95
Ocean's Eleven (2001), Twelve & Thirteen Giftset (BD) $9.95
Polar Express (BD) $4.95
Tim Burton's Corpse Bride (BD) $4.95
Ultimate Matrix Collection, The (BD) $14.95
Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition (BD) $4.95
Subtotal $74.40
Tax $3.25
Shipping $6.95
Total $84.60

Worth it to me for when my HD player dies. Worst case is I can recoup some of my $$ via ebay.

[mw390]

I just called red2blu 800 number because I didn't see it discussed here. I needed to know if I had to go 25 all at once and they said NO, however, they did say they were told to accept 10 per batch although the website doesn't say one way or another.

[Robertwoj]

I have the Ocean's box set, but there doesn't seem to be a upc on the box anywhere. Are you supposed to write it on the flattened box? I'd like to upgrade the set instead of paying for all three. Any help is appreciated.

The UPC code is on the slipcover that goes over the box itself. I think this is what WB wants you to send in.

[Robertwoj]

I don't even charge for shipping anymore; I make all my normal auctions ship for free, and just roll normal shipping charges into the starting price.

Kudos to you! This is what all sellers should have been doing in the first place, instead of putting a dirt cheap price on the item and making people think they were getting a deal, and then slamming them with a $10 shipping fee for a single item that weighed less than a pound. With your method, people think they're saving because, "Oh, free shipping!", and you're not losing money. I was an eBay seller for a couple of years and whenever I miscalculated shipping, I'd always put the couple dollars extra my buyer had paid in the package with their item. If you're gonna make money, be fair about it and make money on the actual item, not via inflated/dishonest shipping prices. :thumbsup:

Just to add my $.02, as a bidder, when I make a bid, I always consider the shipping charge as part of my bid. So if I'm going to pay $25 for something, and the listed shipping charge is $5, my max bid is $20. If shipping is $3, I bid $22.

The purpose of eBay limiting the shipping costs is to ensure they can get their proper selling fee. Shipping was always shielded from what eBay would charge when the auction ends. As a business, I can't fault them when so many people figured this out and used the shipping costs to avoid paying the full selling fee. I'm just surprised it took them this long to limit it.

[jpb07]

Well eBay found ways to screw over their sellers...who in a sense are their bosses since WE pay them. First screwing around with how the search results are displayed, then this stupid shipping cap.

Let me just tell you how I have done my auctions...not on DVDs but on tickets for sporting events. In order to come up with my shipping and HANDLING fee, I used to take what was my cost to ship and added in the cost of fees between eBay and their bastard sister PayPal. Of course you don't always know what the fees will be but I usually just figured the fees off of the minimum I wanted for the tickets...and if it went over that, I was more than happy to hand over the extra money. Lately I have found eBay's automatic excessive shipping calculator full of shit. For example, it costs me roughly $18 and change to ship FEDEX overnight. I put in $20 and it comes up with a warning message that they feel it's excessive. It makes me want to reach across the internet, grab them by the neck, and ask 'hey dumbasses, every heard of the costs of taking the package to the dropoff point?'.

On another note regarding eBay...I'd LOVE to know how their butts aren't in front of Congress right now explaining why their requirement that you use PayPal ISN'T an anti-trust violation. I mean they are flat out nuts...when you factor in the fees, it's over 10% of your sale. For me the only alternative has been StubHub but they've sold out to sleezeBay as well.

[jpb07]

Maybe they are raising rates to discourage us and (esspecially the lowlifes at) FW/SD from buying the HD-DVD sets of the Matrix online rather than the BR sets.

[The Cow]

Well eBay found ways to screw over their sellers...who in a sense are their bosses since WE pay them. First screwing around with how the search results are displayed, then this stupid shipping cap.

Let me just tell you how I have done my auctions...not on DVDs but on tickets for sporting events. In order to come up with my shipping and HANDLING fee, I used to take what was my cost to ship and added in the cost of fees between eBay and their bastard sister PayPal. Of course you don't always know what the fees will be but I usually just figured the fees off of the minimum I wanted for the tickets...and if it went over that, I was more than happy to hand over the extra money. Lately I have found eBay's automatic excessive shipping calculator full of shit. For example, it costs me roughly $18 and change to ship FEDEX overnight. I put in $20 and it comes up with a warning message that they feel it's excessive. It makes me want to reach across the internet, grab them by the neck, and ask 'hey dumbasses, every heard of the costs of taking the package to the dropoff point?'.

On another note regarding eBay...I'd LOVE to know how their butts aren't in front of Congress right now explaining why their requirement that you use PayPal ISN'T an anti-trust violation. I mean they are flat out nuts...when you factor in the fees, it's over 10% of your sale. For me the only alternative has been StubHub but they've sold out to sleezeBay as well.

and you are selling tix at face value, right?

[Corihor1]

Anyone else think it would be beneficial to create a list of titles that would be actual upgrades from the current HD-DVD. From most of what I have read then there really aren't changes in PQ on most, but it seems that there may be audio and bonus feature advantages.

I mean I have the obvious choices :

Matrix Complete/Ultimate - 1080p version of the Animatrix
Matrix - Digibook Collector's item, additional bonus features, upgrade in sound
Casablanca - Ultimate Collector's Edition with all bonus items/features

It was stated that some of the Harry Potter have additional bonus features.

Perhaps we could also mark the changes from a Combo disc to a single disc.

[clappj]

Anyone else think it would be beneficial to create a list of titles that would be actual upgrades from the current HD-DVD. From most of what I have read then there really aren't changes in PQ on most, but it seems that there may be audio and bonus feature advantages.

I mean I have the obvious choices :

Matrix Complete/Ultimate - 1080p version of the Animatrix
Matrix - Digibook Collector's item, additional bonus features, upgrade in sound
Casablanca - Ultimate Collector's Edition with all bonus items/features

It was stated that some of the Harry Potter have additional bonus features.

Perhaps we could also mark the changes from a Combo disc to a single disc.


Check out Post #139, in the other thread.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk/553825-warner-launches-red2blu-trade-program-6.html

[Corihor1]

Check out Post #139, in the other thread.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk/553825-warner-launches-red2blu-trade-program-6.html

Heh. Didn't even think to check in the HD forum. Thanks for the notice.

[WMAangel]

Anyone else think it would be beneficial to create a list of titles that would be actual upgrades from the current HD-DVD. From most of what I have read then there really aren't changes in PQ on most, but it seems that there may be audio and bonus feature advantages.

I mean I have the obvious choices :

Matrix - Digibook Collector's item, additional bonus features, upgrade in sound


There are no additional bonus features on the Blu-ray of The Matrix compared to the HD DVD, they just all happen to be on the same side of the disc (as the HD DVD was a combo).....
Also, there is no upgrade in the sound, as the HD DVD also had a lossless Dolby True HD track....
The ONLY differences are the digibook packaging and a one sided disc......same exact transfer, same audio, same special features....

[GizmoDVD]

There are no additional bonus features on the Blu-ray of The Matrix compared to the HD DVD, they just all happen to be on the same side of the disc (as the HD DVD was a combo).....
Also, there is no upgrade in the sound, as the HD DVD also had a lossless Dolby True HD track....
The ONLY differences are the digibook packaging and a one sided disc......same exact transfer, same audio, same special features....

Wrong. The Matrix Blu-ray has increased, extreme Bitrates which obviously means it will look better.

[DVD Polizei]

Whoa.

[WMAangel]

Wrong. The Matrix Blu-ray has increased, extreme Bitrates which obviously means it will look better.

You are missing the ":sarcasm:" in your post, or else some people might actually take it seriously! :lol:

[dhmac]

Check out Post #139, in the other thread.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk/553825-warner-launches-red2blu-trade-program-6.html
A better link would be this link (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/9404032-post139.html).

[blokhed]

Did anyone else get an email telling them that their order for Casablanca could not be fulfilled because they couldn't get any more of the CE? They said they'd send the single disc edition instead, which is fine by me since that's all I wanted to begin with, except I've read that the single disc edition is missing a documentary that the CE has.

If it's true I'm getting a disc that is missing the doc, I won't be happy.

[movielib]

Did anyone else get an email telling them that their order for Casablanca could not be fulfilled because they couldn't get any more of the CE? They said they'd send the single disc edition instead, which is fine by me since that's all I wanted to begin with, except I've read that the single disc edition is missing a documentary that the CE has.

If it's true I'm getting a disc that is missing the doc, I won't be happy.
I did and I'm rather pissed. I already had the single disc version from France and I included Casablanca in my order only to get the collectors edition.

Dear [movielib],

Thank you for your order from Red2Blu.com and for sending in your cover art.

Unfortunately, we had hoped to give you the CASABLANCA COLLECTORS EDITION, but we have run out of stock of these limited edition Blu-ray titles and we do not expect to receive more inventory in time to fulfill your order. We have removed this item from your order.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience. Accordingly, we will include a complimentary CASABLANCA Blu-ray disc with your order. As we have rushed to have these new Blu-ray discs prepared and sent to you as an apology, the Blu-ray will not be shrink-wrapped.

Once again, please accept our sincere apologies. We will notify you when your order ships. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Thank you.

Regards,

WBshop.com, the site that brought you Red2Blu service@red2blu.com
1-866-276-6176

Are they saying we won't be charged for it including shipping (I failed to get my order split for free)? If so, it isn't that bad and I'll sell the one they send me. But too bad I can't say it has factory shrink wrap since they aren't doing that (for us, of course, to save time - as if, after the three month wait, we couldn't wait for them to shrink wrap the stupid thing; all of a sudden time is important).

Talk about turning a good thing into a disaster. Way to go, WB!

[movielib]

From a poster at Blu-ray.com (Post #368):

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=96148&page=19

Just got off the phone with red2blu CSR. She said the e-mail is worded very poorly. We are still getting the Casablanca UE, it will just not be shrink wrapped. They expect the orders to be out by the end of the week.
If so, the email isn't just poorly worded. It's completely wrong. I do hope this new information is correct.

[IamLegend]

Seems like I have been told end of the week for awhile now...

[beebs]

Did anyone else get an email telling them that their order for Casablanca could not be fulfilled because they couldn't get any more of the CE? They said they'd send the single disc edition instead, which is fine by me since that's all I wanted to begin with, except I've read that the single disc edition is missing a documentary that the CE has.

If it's true I'm getting a disc that is missing the doc, I won't be happy.

The Ultimate Collector's Edition comes with two discs. The movie is on disc one with all the extras from the HD DVD. The second disc, a SD DVD, added a new doc on Jack Warner not on the HD DVD. One last slap in the face to Hal Wallis, the real shaper of this movie.

[blokhed]

The CS rep who emailed me back said we're still getting the 2nd disc. So that's good news.