Broken by Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/18/nxe-netflix-streaming-queues-suddenly-gimped/)
On the eve of Microsoft's big NXE launch, Sony has yanked hundreds of movies from Netflix streaming to the 360. They will still stream to your PC, Mac, Tivo and every other capable box, but not the 360.
Oh yes. They can't win this generation legitimately so they are going to fight dirty. Feels like we're in 2005 again. It probably stings a little seeing the competition announce and launch an all new OS inside of 6 months when Home is rolling on 18 and nowhere in sight.
UncleGramps
11-19-08, 12:56 AM
Seems kinda petty. Sony could be exposing lots of customers to their movies via Netflix on the 360 instead of pulling this crap. I can watch it on my PC or Roku box, but not my 360? Lame.
Drexl
11-19-08, 12:58 AM
I can't say I'm surprised. They want to push their own downloading service. It's the new format war.
However, from what I've seen of their titles on Netflix, at least from the catalog, the quality is so poor I can't even watch them.
nickdawgy
11-19-08, 01:16 AM
I saw somewhere that most Sony movies aren't working but some still work. Someone said he watched Superbad without any problems.
Michael Corvin
11-19-08, 01:20 AM
Some actually have dates on them. For example, I have until December 1st to watch the Land Before Time V. The other flicks in the series are, so far, unaffected.
I read all the comments and reading the pro-Sony responses are good for a laugh if anyone needs a solid pick-me-up.
One person did have a pretty solid point. If Microsoft were to fight just as dirty (circa early 90's MS), Sony would have a hell of a time selling Vaio's without Windows installed.
tanman
11-19-08, 01:23 AM
One person did have a pretty solid point. If Microsoft were to fight just as dirty (circa early 90's MS), Sony would have a hell of a time selling Vaio's without Windows installed.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. Seems like a really petty thing to do. Maybe they should hold back windows updates for Vaio users just for leverage.
Jeremy517
11-19-08, 01:24 AM
One person did have a pretty solid point. If Microsoft were to fight just as dirty (circa early 90's MS), Sony would have a hell of a time selling Vaio's without Windows installed.
Except MS doesn't sell their own laptops, so that would only end up hurting MS.
Fandango
11-19-08, 02:07 AM
It's not any worse than MS paying for exclusive DLC.
maxfisher
11-19-08, 07:55 AM
Just about any time Sony does or says anything, I find that it irritates me or pisses me off. I should probably just ignore them to avoid feeling guilty for enjoying my PS3.
Michael Corvin
11-19-08, 08:19 AM
It's not any worse than MS paying for exclusive DLC.
Not exactly. MS owns the 360 and is investing in DLC to improve it's user base.
Sony is taking one business endeavor(Playstation) and using another industry(Sony Pictures) for their cause. I think it would be more akin to Microsoft including a free copy of Vista inside every 360 box.
chuckd21
11-19-08, 08:24 AM
Some actually have dates on them. For example, I have until December 1st to watch the Land Before Time V.
ZOMG, you better hurry!
Vryce
11-19-08, 08:43 AM
Translation
Waaaahhh.. We don't have anything like this in place and we're going to be pricks about it and not let the competitor have any access to our catalog.
FU Sony!
:johnwoo:
Michael Corvin
11-19-08, 08:54 AM
ZOMG, you better hurry!
:lol: What can I say, I have two little girls that love that series. Outside of the first one they are all pretty terrible. From the animation to the voice work to songs. Bad. Bad. Bad. On the brightside, I have two little girls that love dinosaurs. :banana: We can work on movie tastes later.
xmiyux
11-19-08, 09:00 AM
This is really silly. With so many movies not available for streaming i would have just assumed that those titles hadn't been gotten to yet and would have therefore just not watched them. This seems like it will just give more exposure to products from other movie studios. :shrug:
edstein
11-19-08, 10:33 AM
Playon should still work. It's not 360 dependant.
sracer
11-19-08, 11:20 AM
...and this is news, why?
Corporations are out for profits. They aren't bastions of ethics. Microsoft leveraged its advantage in one area to increase control in another. Sony is attempting to do it now. Apple does it when it can too. As well as Google. This sympathy towards Microsoft is pretty misplaced.
Easy
11-19-08, 11:21 AM
So what? This is a licensing issue. Sony wants to get paid for streaming their movies. You think other studios aren't getting paid?
Honestly, I don't much like either company but in reality NO company is going to give away their product.
GatorDeb
11-19-08, 11:24 AM
Netflix is already paying them...
Or should a Netflix user pay per device they want to use for streaming?
Vryce
11-19-08, 11:27 AM
So what? This is a licensing issue. Sony wants to get paid for streaming their movies. You think other studios aren't getting paid?
Honestly, I don't much like either company but in reality NO company is going to give away their product.
If it was just a licensing issue and payment, don't you think MS would have paid the fee to allow it?
And it appears that the license was there in the past.
I got in the preview of the new dashboard about a week ago. I could watch Fifth Element no problems.
Now, when the NXE is released to everyone, it is mysteriously blocked to 360 owners but available to people on PCs, apples, etc. Seems kind of shady to me.
But I'd expect no less from Sony. I have never liked their business practices.
they forced a format war with HD dvds and won, only because they made a cheaper blu-ray player that happened to play playstation 3 and 2 games. Anyways, that is not a topic for this thread and has been beaten to death.
chuckd21
11-19-08, 11:31 AM
...and this is news, why?
Corporations are out for profits. They aren't bastions of ethics. Microsoft leveraged its advantage in one area to increase control in another. Sony is attempting to do it now. Apple does it when it can too. As well as Google. This sympathy towards Microsoft is pretty misplaced.
It's not sympathy for Microsoft... it's just being incredulous that companies are this goofy.
Why can't Sony just say "No more of our DVDs are to be shipped to homes with non-Sony brand DVD players"?
GizmoDVD
11-19-08, 11:32 AM
So what? This is a licensing issue. Sony wants to get paid for streaming their movies. You think other studios aren't getting paid?
Honestly, I don't much like either company but in reality NO company is going to give away their product.
You do know how long the Roku box has been available, right? Or streaming to two Blu-ray players (LG 300, Samsung 2500/2550), right?
This happened one the eve of the NXE launch. This was done on purpose.
Easy
11-19-08, 11:34 AM
Honestly, did any of you read the article?
Update 2: It appears that the sudden yoinking of Columbia Pictures films from NXE Instant Queue access is a licensing issue with Sony after all. MTV Multiplayer pinged us with word that, on the rental service's official blog, Netflix corp. communications VP Steve Swasey writes:
"As watching instantly becomes a more prominent part of the Netflix service, our goal is to have all of our streaming content licensed for all of our partner devices. We're doing well in this area, but it will take some time before we fully achieve that goal. Today, titles regularly come in and out of license and there is a natural ebb and flow to what we have on license at any given point in time. In the case of Xbox 360, a few hundred titles are temporarily unavailable to be streamed via the Xbox game console. Those titles are still available to be watched on subscribers' computers and on TVs via other partner devices, and we hope they'll be licensed for Xbox 360 shortly."
chuckd21
11-19-08, 11:40 AM
Honestly, did any of you read the article?
Yes. The fact remains, on the day the Netflix feature launches on Xbox 360, Sony is the only studio whose online titles are not available. One amazing coincidence there that Sony is the only studio who doesn't have a licensing agreement...
Vryce
11-19-08, 11:43 AM
Honestly, did any of you read the article?
I did and I still maintain my comments.
If it is a licensing issue, why do those same movies stream to other devices still?
They were removed on the night NXE came out for 360 uses. I watched a Sony movie, Fifth Element, earlier in the week and there was no playback issue. No other studio has any licensing issues that caused movies to be unavailable for streaming to the 360.. Very shady on Sony's part.
I wouldn't doubt Sony threw in some ridiculous language in the licensing agreement that MS would have to agree to so that the 360 could stream Sony branded movies through the Netflix interface.
Sony appears very much the spoiled child at this point because they don't have any type of service that can compete with MS's offering. Home is still no where in site and MS has had a major dashboard overhaul on time after it was announced 6 months ago.
dsa_shea
11-19-08, 11:45 AM
Yes. The fact remains, on the day the Netflix feature launches on Xbox 360, Sony is the only studio whose online titles are not available. One amazing coincidence there that Sony is the only studio who doesn't have a licensing agreement...
Microsoft wants to get paid for its "exclusive" download content that they shell out money to get so that you buy the game on their system. Now why can't Sony want to get paid for the licensing of their movies being streamed to their competitors product?
redbill
11-19-08, 11:47 AM
maybe they want more money now that the streaming userbase has increased by multiple millions overnight? I'm assuming their contracts don't pay per view, but a flat rate per movie.
Vryce
11-19-08, 11:48 AM
Microsoft wants to get paid for its "exclusive" download content that they shell out money to get so that you buy the game on their system. Now why can't Sony want to get paid for the licensing of their movies being streamed to their competitors product?
No one is stating that Sony shouldn't get money for their product. But what is highly suspicious is that once the ability goes live for all 360 owners that have netflix and a live gold account, only Sony movies are removed from streaming to 360's only. No other studio seems to have any licensing issues.
Larry C.
11-19-08, 11:49 AM
This is way sony sucks so bad. There pissed because the lost the console war.... Fuck them this is why I never buy Sony don't care what it is. Fuck you Sony, fuck you right up your ass!
dsa_shea
11-19-08, 11:51 AM
maybe they want more money now that the streaming userbase has increased by multiple millions overnight? I'm assuming their contracts don't pay per view, but a flat rate per movie.
That is an excellent point and I don't see anything wrong with that. Remember that the more access people have to getting something for next to nothing decreases the chances that those people will go out and fork over dollars at a B&M to buy a hard copy of that same product (in this case movie title). Microsoft could be looking at this as a way to erode the sales of Sony titles in the physical format and Sony might want something in return. Business is business and Microsoft and Sony definitely are not going to hold each other's hand and gently embrace one another.
dsa_shea
11-19-08, 11:52 AM
This is way sony sucks so bad. There pissed because the lost the console war.... Fuck them this is why I never buy Sony don't care what it is. Fuck you Sony, fuck you right up your ass!
Do you think that Microsoft might share some of their exclusive download content free with Sony any time soon? Didn't think so.
pinata242
11-19-08, 11:53 AM
That is an excellent point and I don't see anything wrong with that. Remember that the more access people have to getting something for next to nothing decreases the chances that those people will go out and fork over dollars at a B&M to buy a hard copy of that same product (in this case movie title). Microsoft could be looking at this as a way to erode the sales of Sony titles in the physical format and Sony might want something in return. Business is business and Microsoft and Sony definitely are not going to hold each other's hand and gently embrace one another.
Right on. Plus it's not like Microsoft is jumping at the opportunity to include BD into 360s natively or via an attachment. This on-demand HD streaming is another way around the need for people to have an in-home BD player and physical media.
dsa_shea
11-19-08, 12:02 PM
Right on. Plus it's not like Microsoft is jumping at the opportunity to include BD into 360s natively or via an attachment. This on-demand HD streaming is another way around the need for people to have an in-home BD player and physical media.
Maybe if Microsoft and Sony could agree to some things I think they could ultimately be mutually beneficial. The inclusion of a Blu-Ray drive in a future version of the X-Box would ultimately benefit X-Box users more than it be a detriment and for doing that Sony could share (license) a majority of their content with X-Box users. OT: You would be out of your mind to think that the X-Box couldn't benefit with a medium that holds far more capacity than the ancient dvd. If they're churning out some kick ass titles now imagine what they could do with far less limitation. Ultimately I see the video game hardware war as business but silly business with too many people holding bitter sentiments towards the other side.
Easy
11-19-08, 12:05 PM
If it is a licensing issue, why do those same movies stream to other devices still?
Because it appears netflix licenses content per device. As their VP said:
...our goal is to have all of our streaming content licensed for all of our partner devices.
The facts are plainly stated but I can see the conspiracy theorists will not be dissuaded.
One final fact: I had netflix this past summer and streamed content to my PC, which is connected to a HDTV. I recall a couple of movies in my cue had messages like 5 days left to watch... so items do slip out of license, regardless of device, just as the netflix VP stated.
chuckd21
11-19-08, 12:05 PM
And another thing... there is no quantifiable tally of "new" users who'll suddenly be watching all this Sony content.
To use Netflix on your 360 you need:
* A Netflix account.
* Internets.
To use Netflix on your PC you need:
* A Netflix account.
* Internets.
redbill
11-19-08, 12:15 PM
And another thing... there is no quantifiable tally of "new" users who'll suddenly be watching all this Sony content.
To use Netflix on your 360 you need:
* A Netflix account.
* Internets.
To use Netflix on your PC you need:
* A Netflix account.
* Internets.
+Xbox live
Trevor
11-19-08, 12:16 PM
And another thing... there is no quantifiable tally of "new" users who'll suddenly be watching all this Sony content.
To use Netflix on your 360 you need:
* A Netflix account.
* Internets.
To use Netflix on your PC you need:
* A Netflix account.
* Internets.
Good catch. But, remember that most, like 99.99% of PC users, don't have their PCs hooked up to their televisions.
I streamed one or two movies to my PC. I'll likely stream hundreds on my TV with this new feature.
redbill
11-19-08, 12:21 PM
and every device is registered as a netflix streaming device. so they know when a unique user is using the streaming functionality, and presumedly can tell what type of device it is (PC, Roku, Xbox)...
lordzeppelin
11-19-08, 12:42 PM
Seems kinda petty. Sony could be exposing lots of customers to their movies via Netflix on the 360 instead of pulling this crap. I can watch it on my PC or Roku box, but not my 360? Lame.
Petty...the word that seems to be defining this console generation. Look at the compatibility issues between music game instruments...
As for Sony on this...it doesn't surprise me. They ape the Wii with the stupid sixaxis, then ditch it when the consumers complained, ditched backwards compat in the new models, Home is a mess - Sony really doesn't know what consumers want and how to give it to them AT ALL in this gen. They tried to be the biggest, baddest, and best, and have yet to deliver anything but the best Blu-Ray player that happens to play games, of which, precious few are must have exclusives. I really can't believe they are botching this THAT bad...and people are still keeping their jobs @ Sony. I want a PS3, but the purchase just keeps getting put off further and further and further for me.
lordzeppelin
11-19-08, 12:45 PM
Do you think that Microsoft might share some of their exclusive download content free with Sony any time soon? Didn't think so.
You're talking apples and oranges. Netflix is not 'exclusive content', it's Netflix, and films. Netflix is a separate business entity...it's just not the same.
dsa_shea
11-19-08, 12:50 PM
You're talking apples and oranges. Netflix is not 'exclusive content', it's Netflix, and films. Netflix is a separate business entity...it's just not the same.
Offering content owned by other entities (Sony, etc.) for said licensing fee/price. When that base of viewers increases over night with no increase it revenues returned to Sony then I can see why there might be a problem. Especially when the device used to view owned content is their main competitor of their home console. Neither of these two companies are angels in this whole process and you had to believe that this might happen.
cruzness
11-19-08, 01:11 PM
This is way sony sucks so bad. There pissed because the lost the console war.... Fuck them this is why I never buy Sony don't care what it is. Fuck you Sony, fuck you right up your ass!
Wow, talk about counting chickens before they hatch. PS3 has closed the gap in total consoles sold to 5 million behind 3fixme ( even with the 3fixme's year head start.) and PSN has just as many subscribers as XBL. And let's not talk about Micro$oft's dirty business practice of trying to screw the consumer with inferiorly constructed buggy hardware (which they knew had issues).
This is business and Sony want's to get paid
Groucho
11-19-08, 01:17 PM
U.S. Hardware sales for October 2008:
1. Wii - 803K
2. DS - 491K
3. Xbox 360 - 371K
4. PSP - 193K
5. PS3 - 190K
6. PS2 - 136K
Doesn't look like PS3 is "closing the gap" to me.
This is business and Sony want's to get paidDon't you mean $ony? Or it only "evil" when Microsoft makes money?
edstein
11-19-08, 01:25 PM
Seems a console bashing war has begun.
-popcorn-
dsa_shea
11-19-08, 01:25 PM
U.S. Hardware sales for October 2008:
1. Wii - 803K
2. DS - 491K
3. Xbox 360 - 371K
4. PSP - 193K
5. PS3 - 190K
6. PS2 - 136K
Doesn't look like PS3 is "closing the gap" to me.
Don't you mean $ony? Or it only "evil" when Microsoft makes money?
No, I think we should call both of them spades and not just one or the other.
Larry C.
11-19-08, 01:29 PM
Wow, talk about counting chickens before they hatch. PS3 has closed the gap in total consoles sold to 5 million behind 3fixme ( even with the 3fixme's year head start.) and PSN has just as many subscribers as XBL. And let's not talk about Micro$oft's dirty business practice of trying to screw the consumer with inferiorly constructed buggy hardware (which they knew had issues).
This is business and Sony want's to get paid
Dude PS3 has fallen behind and still there are no good games. No one would have bought the freakin thing if it wasn't for the built in bluray.
Larry C.
11-19-08, 01:30 PM
Do you think that Microsoft might share some of their exclusive download content free with Sony any time soon? Didn't think so.
Ugh Sony lover. You must be a Democrat! ;)
pinata242
11-19-08, 01:34 PM
You guys might want to take this "debate" elsewhere. You're wasting your <s>breath</s> keystrokes and will quickly find yourselves on the path to a forced break from the forums.
fumanstan
11-19-08, 01:52 PM
3fixme? Ugh.
dsa_shea
11-19-08, 01:53 PM
You guys might want to take this "debate" elsewhere. You're wasting your <s>breath</s> keystrokes and will quickly find yourselves on the path to a forced break from the forums.
I think I'll take your advice and make like Sony and their content and get out of here.
lordzeppelin
11-19-08, 01:56 PM
Offering content owned by other entities (Sony, etc.) for said licensing fee/price. When that base of viewers increases over night with no increase it revenues returned to Sony then I can see why there might be a problem. Especially when the device used to view owned content is their main competitor of their home console. Neither of these two companies are angels in this whole process and you had to believe that this might happen.
I see your point, but we're talking about something that is a universal format in streaming video. What's next, is Sony going to disable the content on Panasonic TVs? If it were games, it's a different story, because of disc format and programming languages and such...but we're talking a video format that is playable across the spectrum on many devices. Obviously, we don't know the details of Sony owned films contracts for licensing, but I'm assuming it's a standard model that includes per-view based fees. I shouldn't speculate on it, but you get the idea, no?
I guess the whole point to me is that the competition on games is one thing, but the streaming video is a console-less entity, and shouldn't be subject to the games rivalry. It's a different business line...
rennervision
11-19-08, 01:58 PM
Why can't Sony just say "No more of our DVDs are to be shipped to homes with non-Sony brand DVD players"?
If Sony thought they could get away with a proprietary format that only plays on their brand of DVD player, I guarantee you they would try it.
Fandango
11-19-08, 02:00 PM
The double standard shown here is pretty amusing.
Michael Corvin
11-19-08, 02:32 PM
There is no double standard.
No one is stating that Sony shouldn't get money for their product. But what is highly suspicious is that once the ability goes live for all 360 owners that have netflix and a live gold account, only Sony movies are removed from streaming to 360's only. No other studio seems to have any licensing issues.
Exactly. There have been people in the preview program for a month. Hell the Netflix announcement is six months old. Why didn't Sony yank these movies then? It's all about impact. The day before a competitor launches a new 'buzz-worthy" interface with a highly touted feature, all of a sudden they are gone?
There is no conspiracy theory. They've had 6 months to yank these or get licensing issues in order. This was done in spite, plain and simple.
U.S. Hardware sales for October 2008:
1. Wii - 803K
2. DS - 491K
3. Xbox 360 - 371K
4. PSP - 193K
5. PS3 - 190K
6. PS2 - 136K
Doesn't look like PS3 is "closing the gap" to me.
Don't you mean $ony? Or it only "evil" when Microsoft makes money?
That's only US sales though. PS3 pretty much owns every other territory. So yes they have closed the gap pretty well.
I'll likely stream hundreds on my TV with this new feature.
You obviously haven't browsed the selection. :lol:
redbill
11-19-08, 02:35 PM
maybe Trevor is a big Kate & Allie fan...
Groucho
11-19-08, 03:24 PM
That's only US sales though. PS3 pretty much owns every other territory. So yes they have closed the gap pretty well.The reason I only included US sales is because this entire Netflix thing is limited to the US.
Vryce
11-19-08, 03:28 PM
There is no double standard.
Exactly. There have been people in the preview program for a month. Hell the Netflix announcement is six months old. Why didn't Sony yank these movies then? It's all about impact. The day before a competitor launches a new 'buzz-worthy" interface with a highly touted feature, all of a sudden they are gone?
There is no conspiracy theory. They've had 6 months to yank these or get licensing issues in order. This was done in spite, plain and simple.
Thanks.. That was the point I was trying to drive at, but didn't do it quite as well as you.
Fandango
11-19-08, 03:38 PM
So you don't have a problem with them doing it, just the timing of it?
Mok
11-19-08, 03:38 PM
This should be no shocker, I mean Sony never put any of there movies up on the XBL market place either. That's why you never saw movies like Spider-Man or Casino Royale on the Market place.
Liver&Onions
11-19-08, 03:43 PM
Ugh. There's been some console/company bashing here that NEEDS to stop. Did Sony really yank movies because it
s the 360? If yes - then that's weak plain and simple.
bashing them for stealing the motion controls, etc - not cool and two years too late.
3fixme - even less cool and if that is used again expect a break from the forum - even if you attempt to use it as a joke.
chuckd21
11-19-08, 03:51 PM
So you don't have a problem with them doing it, just the timing of it?
I have a problem with both.
Why didn't they demand to "get paid" when the Roku box proved to be a success and were out of stock for weeks and weeks?
Easy solution... Sony movies on 360, and in exchange Microsoft puts a Blu Ray drive in the Xbox 720. Peace.
Michael Corvin
11-19-08, 03:53 PM
3fixme - even less cool and if that is used again expect a break from the forum - even if you attempt to use it as a joke.
I had to google it to even know what the hell he was referring to. :rolleyes: Quite childish and ranks up there with M$, $ony, Di$ney and M. Night Shymalamadingdong. All memes that should go the way of the Do-do. It would be cool if the forum software could detect those and auto correct them like ALL CAPS posts, and converting hyperlinks to the thread title.
So you don't have a problem with them doing it, just the timing of it?
Like Chuck said, it's a little of both. I can see them wanting to get paid, that's fine and dandy, but to go about it the way they have just smacks of desperation and childish idiocy. Sometimes the executives at these companies come off far worse than the fanboys on forums & blogs.
pinata242
11-19-08, 03:57 PM
It would be cool if the forum software could detect those and auto correct them like ALL CAPS posts, and converting hyperlinks to the thread title.
What you're asking is http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/images/smilies/shaqfu.gifing impossible. No forum could do that.
Trevor
11-19-08, 03:57 PM
You obviously haven't browsed the selection. :lol:
Not yet. I was just going by the list of TV shows I saw, and by what is available to watch on my PC. It's not the same?
maybe Trevor is a big Kate & Allie fan...
No. But I'm anxious to stream Amazing Stories Season 2 and some other stuff mentioned in this thread. (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/544031-shows-still-not-dvd-show-up-netflixs-watch-now-service.html)
Michael Corvin
11-19-08, 03:58 PM
What you're asking is http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/images/smilies/shaqfu.gifing impossible. No forum could do that.
:lol: well played... well played.
Goat3001
11-19-08, 04:00 PM
I see no problem with it. Sony, like every other company in the world, is trying to maximize profits. It is ignorant to think they're doing this to be petty because they're selling less consoles, they are doing this becasue it would hurt their profit margin if they didn't. Do you people really think that Sony employed a team of people that decided to yank Sony movies on the 360 without providing any financial benefits in doing so? If they really wanted to be petty they would yank all their movies from Netflix (streaming or otherwise) and tell Netflix that they won't do business with them unless they stop doing business with Microsoft. That would be a real kick in the nuts for Netflix and it would leave them no choice.
Sony is probably trying to work it out so their system can stream Netflix movies (or do something similar) and when they do they'll be able to say they have a bigger catalog to stream than Microsoft does... giving them the competitive edge.
Groucho
11-19-08, 04:08 PM
Bottom line is that when a poster starts using degrading nicknames for consoles and and companies it's an open admission that they've lost the argument.
Michael Corvin
11-19-08, 04:08 PM
What you're asking is http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/images/smilies/shaqfu.gifing impossible. No forum could do that.
Here ya go. Have this sub out for 3fixme: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/MCorvin/Ilove360.gif
chuckd21
11-19-08, 04:08 PM
How many TiVo boxes are out there? Isn't streaming coming to TiVo boxes soon too?
Michael Corvin
11-19-08, 04:10 PM
Yep, but I believe HD is still 360 exclusive for the moment.
Mordred
11-19-08, 04:17 PM
Given the fact that Sony Pictures films are still available while only Columbia pictures aren't, it seems pretty obvious that it's a licensing issue. If it was purposefully timed to coincide with the release of the NXE it's kinda petty, but I'd still find it hard to get too worked up over this.
In fact, if Sony refused to allow any of their movies to be streamed to 360's I wouldn't be upset either. That kinda stuff happens all the time in business and certainly makes sense to me. Being able to say "the competition can only stream 60% of the movies released while we can stream 100%" seems like a smart move. Granted you have to deal with the ramifications and potential backlash, not to mention initial lost revenue, but all that goes into making the business decision in the first place.
Honestly, I think that kind of thing gains more traction in the console business than anywhere else. Probably because consoles are where most of the under 18 set are first exposed to business in the first place. Plus the whole fanboy thing. *
*The preceding was not directed at anyone in this thread, or should even be construed as even being about the current situation so spare me your righteous indignation
chuckd21
11-19-08, 04:21 PM
*The preceding was not directed at anyone in this thread, or should even be construed as even being about the current situation so spare me your righteous indignation
Rabble rabble rabble!
lordzeppelin
11-19-08, 04:28 PM
Ugh. There's been some console/company bashing here that NEEDS to stop. Did Sony really yank movies because it
s the 360? If yes - then that's weak plain and simple.
bashing them for stealing the motion controls, etc - not cool and two years too late.
3fixme - even less cool and if that is used again expect a break from the forum - even if you attempt to use it as a joke.
I'm assuming the motion controls thing was referring to my post...but I wasn't console bashing. In context, it was just a list of things that Sony seems to be half-assing in trying to please consumers, not simply some "sony suxxors" or anything like that. It was more to point out that they simply don't seem to know what to do or how to stop the bleeding...it worked in context, you know?
Liver&Onions
11-19-08, 04:38 PM
I'm assuming the motion controls thing was referring to my post...but I wasn't console bashing. In context, it was just a list of things that Sony seems to be half-assing in trying to please consumers, not simply some "sony suxxors" or anything like that. It was more to point out that they simply don't seem to know what to do or how to stop the bleeding...it worked in context, you know?
That's why I didn't call you out - but it's a slippery slope and things get moving quickly when it comes to bashing.
DVDChris
11-19-08, 06:52 PM
That's weird, I recall seeing all these 007 Quantum of Solace promos on the new Xbox Dash this morning when I updated. So why wouldn't Sony remove that as well?
mhg83
11-19-08, 07:25 PM
That's weird, I recall seeing all these 007 Quantum of Solace promos on the new Xbox Dash this morning when I updated. So why wouldn't Sony remove that as well?
I think that's only for the game which is multiplatform.
Josh-da-man
11-19-08, 10:01 PM
U.S. Hardware sales for October 2008:
3. Xbox 360 - 371K
5. PS3 - 190K
Might these figures have something to do with the XBox 360 selling for $199 now? Or has the 360 been doing 2:1 over the PS3 for a long time now?
Michael Corvin
11-19-08, 10:20 PM
Since the price drop. IIRC, the PS3 won out the first 4 months of the year with the 360 edging it out the following 4-5 months.
lordzeppelin
11-20-08, 10:31 AM
Since the price drop. IIRC, the PS3 won out the first 4 months of the year with the 360 edging it out the following 4-5 months.
But I think the margin was pretty slim. I'm trying to find the NPD numbers on joystiq to no avail. Considering there were no major exclusive releases, unlike MGS4, which gave the PS3 a bump. I want to play LBP so bad...but I'm simply not buying a PS3 for it right now.
Michael Corvin
11-20-08, 10:49 AM
But I think the margin was pretty slim. I'm trying to find the NPD numbers on joystiq to no avail. Considering there were no major exclusive releases, unlike MGS4, which gave the PS3 a bump. I want to play LBP so bad...but I'm simply not buying a PS3 for it right now.
I used the first free graph generator google pulled up, so here they are in a nice <s>pretty</s> slightly jumbled graph:
It sucks, but I don't think its that big a deal or all that surprising. They're in competition and Sony is doing what it can to combat the 360. Granted, Sony's move might earn them some ill will from potential customers, but that's the risk they've taken. Otherwise this feels very similar to Halo 3 being released on the same day as the PS3 came out (or very close, I forget how that worked out exactly).
mattysemo247
11-20-08, 11:37 AM
Otherwise this feels very similar to Halo 3 being released on the same day as the PS3 came out (or very close, I forget how that worked out exactly).
PS3 - released November 17 2006
Halo 3 - released September 25 2007
John Slider
11-20-08, 11:37 AM
I have a PlayStation 3 and an HD S3 TiVo, so this doesn't really affect me. Go Sony!
Deftones
11-20-08, 12:42 PM
I have a PlayStation 3 and an HD S3 TiVo, so this doesn't really affect me. Go Sony!
:rolleyes:
lordzeppelin
11-20-08, 12:46 PM
I have a PlayStation 3 and an HD S3 TiVo, so this doesn't really affect me. Go Sony!
Rock. I'd have responded to this thread too if I was in your situation. :sarcasm:
John Slider
11-20-08, 12:51 PM
I just think it is ridiculous that people are making such a big deal over this simple business decision. A competitor yanked material that was going to be used on their opponents platform? OH MY GOD! If you want to see Sony movies streamed in HD buy one of the other pieces of hardware it will stream on. If you didn't see this coming, you no so brite.
Edited out the word 'exclusively' which I obviously accidentally typed if the following posters bothered to read the sentence that came after it.
chuckd21
11-20-08, 12:54 PM
I just think it is ridiculous that people are making such a big deal over this simple business decision. A competitor yanked material that was going to be used exclusively on their opponents platform? OH MY GOD! If you want to see Sony movies streamed in HD buy one of the other pieces of hardware it will stream on. If you didn't see this coming, you no so brite.
Exclusively?
1. PCs
2. TiVo
3. Roku
4. Netflix enabled Blu Ray players
lordzeppelin
11-20-08, 12:55 PM
I just think it is ridiculous that people are making such a big deal over this simple business decision. A competitor yanked material that was going to be used exclusively on their opponents platform? OH MY GOD! If you want to see Sony movies streamed in HD buy one of the other pieces of hardware it will stream on. If you didn't see this coming, you no so brite.
Contradict yourself much?
John Slider
11-20-08, 12:56 PM
I didn't mean to post exclusively there, which is evident by the next sentence in that post.
chuckd21
11-20-08, 01:00 PM
If you didn't see this coming, you no so brite.
Edited out the word 'exclusively' which I obviously accidentally typed if the following posters bothered to read the sentence that came after it.
Take an effing chill pill. What the hell are you so hostile about?
Liver&Onions
11-20-08, 01:02 PM
I just think it is ridiculous that people are making such a big deal over this simple business decision. A competitor yanked material that was going to be used on their opponents platform? OH MY GOD! If you want to see Sony movies streamed in HD buy one of the other pieces of hardware it will stream on. If you didn't see this coming, you no so brite.
Edited out the word 'exclusively' which I obviously accidentally typed if the following posters bothered to read the sentence that came after it.
Two things in this post have the potential to cross over into flame territory - any more slights like this and you may find yourself on a break.
And the word exclusively is pretty long to type as an accident.
chuckd21
11-20-08, 01:36 PM
So now Sony is saying it's not a specific problem with the Xbox, even though the Xbox is the only device affected.
"This issue is not specific to Xbox or any other individual platform," said a Sony Pictures spokesperson. As reflected in Netflix's comments on the sans-Sony situation, it's all just a matter of licensing. "Sony Pictures is currently in discussions with the relevant parties to resolve certain licensing matters related to the distribution of its motion pictures. Given the ongoing nature of these discussions, we don't think it is appropriate to comment further at this time."
Liver&Onions
11-20-08, 01:39 PM
So now Sony is saying it's not a specific problem with the Xbox, even though the Xbox is the only device affected.
OK - but then why was I able to watch Superbad on Monday evening, but last night it was removed from my list and on my netflix account it said "not availble on xbox?
Michael Corvin
11-20-08, 01:42 PM
Yeah, it's still damn fishy but at least they have addressed the situation instead of leaving everyone in the dark.
Groucho
11-20-08, 01:53 PM
Well I exclusively hope that they get this exclusively resolved as quickly as exclusively possible, since there are some exclusively good titles in the Sony library.
Whoops, looks like I had a "slip of the exclusively keyboard" when I made this post. Excuse the exclusively typos.
Shagrath
11-20-08, 01:56 PM
I exclusively the whole movie?
SonOfAStu
11-20-08, 07:19 PM
Wow. I see the anti-Sony crowd doesn't hesitate to jump to conclusions. The whole time hating on Sony for trying to keep a competitive advantage while Microsoft obviously shelled out big time $$ to Netflix to keep this service off the PS3, to you know, gain a competitive advantage.
Yes, there is a double standard.
chuckd21
11-20-08, 07:27 PM
Wow. I see the anti-Sony crowd doesn't hesitate to jump to conclusions. The whole time hating on Sony for trying to keep a competitive advantage while Microsoft obviously shelled out big time $$ to Netflix to keep this service off the PS3, to you know, gain a competitive advantage.
Yes, there is a double standard.
First, why are the pro-Sony people thinking that everyone who thinks this is a shitty deal are automatically anti-Sony?
I *OWN* a PS3, and I owned 2 PS2s and 3 PS1s. I'm not allowed to be miffed that the day Netflix capability is launched on the Xbox that Sony pulls their movies from the service? Coincidence or otherwise?
Second, Sony just came out and SAID that this wasn't specifically a slight to the Xbox (even though it is).
Third, where has it ever been written that Microsoft paid Netflix a ton of money to keep this service off the PS3?
I think the pro-Sony crowd is just assuming that this is a "Xbox rules, PS3 drools" thread. It's not. Like I said, I give Sony my money, and I still think this sucks ass. Now, can I continue to say it sucks ass?
CreatureX
11-20-08, 07:29 PM
In terms of consoles, if I were Sony, I wouldn't allow my movies to be streamed to Xbox machines. I would keep them exclusively to a PS3 download/stream service. It would seem like a stupid move on Sony's part to allow their movies to be available on Xbox 360.
Michael Corvin
11-20-08, 07:50 PM
First, why are the pro-Sony people thinking that everyone who thinks this is a shitty deal are automatically anti-Sony?
I *OWN* a PS3, and I owned 2 PS2s and 3 PS1s. I'm not allowed to be miffed that the day Netflix capability is launched on the Xbox that Sony pulls their movies from the service? Coincidence or otherwise?
Second, Sony just came out and SAID that this wasn't specifically a slight to the Xbox (even though it is).
Third, where has it ever been written that Microsoft paid Netflix a ton of money to keep this service off the PS3?
I think the pro-Sony crowd is just assuming that this is a "Xbox rules, PS3 drools" thread. It's not. Like I said, I give Sony my money, and I still think this sucks ass. Now, can I continue to say it sucks ass?
Exactly. I think both sides are jumping to conclusions but at least the Xbox crowd has a leg to stand on and it's not just fanboy fodder which seems to be all the Sony crowd is about.
In terms of consoles, if I were Sony, I wouldn't allow my movies to be streamed to Xbox machines. I would keep them exclusively to a PS3 download/stream service. It would seem like a stupid move on Sony's part to allow their movies to be available on Xbox 360.
I own a PS3, Sony HDTV, alarm clock, walkman, receiver, subwoofer, digital camera, car deck, headphones, countless DVDs/BDs and even a MiniDisc player among other things. Hell, I even have the Sony credit card. I've got nothing against Sony but this was a bullshit move, plain and simple. They've gotten more money from me over the years than I care to add up. It's not just about Xbox users. Think off all the other Sony products you may own. Just because you may not own a PS3 yet doesn't mean you aren't a Sony consumer. So they are screwing over more than just Xbox 'fanboys' by selectively limiting a service they don't even own.
I still think it's more than licensing as I said above. The preview has been going on for a month and they've known about the Netflix deal for at least 6 months. Why does everything get yanked the day before the big NXE launch when they've had months to clear this up?
fmian
11-21-08, 03:08 AM
Everybody should just hang in there.
I'll start a rumour that Microsoft is looking at buying out Sony, and eventually when that happens the movies will be available for streaming.
But seriously, the whole HD streaming movie thing is still in it's infancy, and it won't take long for everyone to jump on board.
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Fandango
11-21-08, 03:50 AM
If they didn't pay Netflix then why isn't this service on PS3 then?
xmiyux
11-21-08, 06:59 AM
The PS3 has a web browser, why can't it watch them through that?
Drexl
11-21-08, 07:04 AM
The PS3 has a web browser, why can't it watch them through that?
It requires Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player. It's the only thing I use IE for these days.
Vryce
11-21-08, 07:34 AM
If they didn't pay Netflix then why isn't this service on PS3 then?
I don't see any real reason that it shouldn't. It would be nice if it was and would allow some equal footing between what the 360 has to offer and the ps3.
However, Sony can't seem to get things it promised on the ps3 in place. Home was promised to be out long ago and the ps3 community is still waiting.
And before people claim I'm a 360 fanboy/anti sony from this post and previous ones.
I own all 3 major consoles and both portables. I have lots of sony equipment in my home theater and I still love my sony mini-disc player.
As Corvin said, if this is just a purely licensing agreement, why did Sony not pull their movies a month ago when the preview of the new dashboard on the 360 went out to a small group. Or 6 months ago when Microsoft announced that they were going to have Netflix streaming?
chuckd21
11-21-08, 07:45 AM
If they didn't pay Netflix then why isn't this service on PS3 then?
If Microsoft paid Netflix off then why doesn't Sony partner with Blockbuster Online... blah blah blah.
We can dance all you want, but just because Sony doesn't have a streaming deal with Netflix doesn't mean Microsoft paid them off. I can't get Netflix on my Direct TV box... doesn't mean that TiVo paid them off.
Goat3001
11-21-08, 09:08 AM
Exactly. I think both sides are jumping to conclusions but at least the Xbox crowd has a leg to stand on and it's not just fanboy fodder which seems to be all the Sony crowd is about.
Maybe I missed something but what is this leg to stand on that you are referring to? You don't believe that this is a licensing thing. I agree. You continually say that Sony is being petty and childish by doing this (implying as such in the thread title) yet don't seem to address the possibility that Sony is doing this to gain a competitive advantage over Microsoft. I find it hard to believe that you have a problem with one side of the compeitition trying to gain over the other side. Even if you do I'd imagine you see the logic in pulling off such a move.
You own a Minidisc player? Really?.... Ouch.
chuckd21
11-21-08, 09:26 AM
Maybe I missed something but what is this leg to stand on that you are referring to? You don't believe that this is a licensing thing. I agree. You continually say that Sony is being petty and childish by doing this (implying as such in the thread title) yet don't seem to address the possibility that Sony is doing this to gain a competitive advantage over Microsoft. I find it hard to believe that you have a problem with one side of the compeitition trying to gain over the other side. Even if you do I'd imagine you see the logic in pulling off such a move.
You own a Minidisc player? Really?.... Ouch.
I'd be perfectly fine with it being a move to gain a competitive advantage over Microsoft if Sony was streaming their own product. That would make perfect sense. And hell, if that's their intention, then just announce that you're going to be starting such a service so in two years we can start applying for the beta for it.
It's not a competitive advange if you're not competing in the same arena.
Michael Corvin
11-21-08, 09:29 AM
Maybe I missed something but what is this leg to stand on that you are referring to? You don't believe that this is a licensing thing. I agree. You continually say that Sony is being petty and childish by doing this (implying as such in the thread title) yet don't seem to address the possibility that Sony is doing this to gain a competitive advantage over Microsoft. I find it hard to believe that you have a problem with one side of the compeitition trying to gain over the other side. Even if you do I'd imagine you see the logic in pulling off such a move.
What competitive advantage though? 360 owners can't view Sony movies via Netflix. Well PS3 owners can't view ANY movies via Netflix. The PS3 has no competing service. With or without Sony/Columbia movies the 360 is basically Netflix ready out of the box and people have access to over 10k movies. People buying a 360 BECAUSE of Netflix support is likely to be miniscule, so this really doesn't help Sony anyway. Then you take that number and break it down further into people that will be swayed to a PS3 because they can't stream Spider-man 3 to their 360? Infantesimal. So no, I see no advantage at all for Sony to do this, just a big F. U. for the hell of it.**
It's more of a nice perk for existing owners than anything. Outside of one poster here, most of the responses I've seen elsewhere are to the effect of "boo hoo.... PS3 FTW! 101010111!!"
You own a Minidisc player? Really?.... Ouch.
:lol: Yes. It's a nice little player for my kids now.
* unless it is truly licensing which I'm still open for, but it still smells fishy to me.
**edit - chuckd beat me to the punch while I was typing.
redbill
11-21-08, 09:37 AM
PS3 has on-demand movies for rent and purchase.
I would much prefer netflix streaming though, because I'm not paying $5 for compressed "HD".
chuckd21
11-21-08, 09:40 AM
PS3 has on-demand movies for rent and purchase.
I would much prefer netflix streaming though, because I'm not paying $5 for compressed "HD".
Again, not the same arena. If Sony is actually going to advertise "You can't stream our movies for free on Xbox but you can pay to download them on the PS3!" well, good luck with that.
matome
11-21-08, 10:03 AM
Anyone have the release date for Microsoft's Blu-ray add-on so I can watch my BD's on the 360?
Fandango
11-21-08, 02:05 PM
See, that is my point, PS3 already has a movie store with streaming movies, they could easily have a Netflix thing too, so why don't they? Nobody knows....
fmian
11-21-08, 03:29 PM
See, that is my point, PS3 already has a movie store with streaming movies, they could easily have a Netflix thing too, so why don't they? Nobody knows....
They don't want it to take market share away from Blu-Ray.
chuckd21
11-21-08, 03:32 PM
They don't want it to take market share away from Blu-Ray.
So only stream movies that aren't available on Blu Ray.
pinata242
11-21-08, 03:36 PM
So only stream movies that aren't available on Blu Ray.
And then stop streaming them due to "licensing issues" when it would be more profitable to send the users to a store? Imagine the outrage! ;)
Goat3001
11-21-08, 04:01 PM
What competitive advantage though? 360 owners can't view Sony movies via Netflix. Well PS3 owners can't view ANY movies via Netflix. The PS3 has no competing service. With or without Sony/Columbia movies the 360 is basically Netflix ready out of the box and people have access to over 10k movies. People buying a 360 BECAUSE of Netflix support is likely to be miniscule, so this really doesn't help Sony anyway. Then you take that number and break it down further into people that will be swayed to a PS3 because they can't stream Spider-man 3 to their 360? Infantesimal. So no, I see no advantage at all for Sony to do this, just a big F. U. for the hell of it.**
It's more of a nice perk for existing owners than anything. Outside of one poster here, most of the responses I've seen elsewhere are to the effect of "boo hoo.... PS3 FTW! 101010111!!"
Well I think we can both agree that this whole thing is more of an annoyance than anything else because the amount of people buying 360's for Netflix is miniscule and the people that will boycott Sony for this is miniscule too. But I do disagree because I do believe that there is a competitive advantage. Sony is selling PS3 as a full fledged entertainment unit and are well aware that a large amount of their consumers are purchasing one as a Blu-Ray player first, video game player second (hell, I wouldn't own one if it wasn't for Blu-Ray). Anything that would allow the 360 to be more of a media player would indeed hurt Sony. It may not exactly be streaming media but its media nonetheless. They're saying to the public "if you want HD media, you gotta watch it on Blu-Ray." It may sound jerk off-ish but its not a bad business decision.
Also, just because Sony doesn't have a deal in place with Netflix doesn't mean it won't happen (with them of Blockbuster). Maybe they're just covering their bases. It would be a whole lot shittier and would get a ton more feedback if Sony announced a deal with Blockbuster next year and then pulled their movies from XBox after the fact. And of course once they set up something similar they can tell consumers that they have more movies than the competition.
Again, this may very well just be a licensing issue but if its not I just find it incredibly unlikely that Sony would pull such a stint without any financial reasoning behind it.
gimmepilotwings
11-21-08, 04:49 PM
Ugh Sony lover. You must be a Democrat! ;)
I take offense to that.
Michael Corvin
11-21-08, 06:26 PM
Who are you kidding? We know you're a Nintendo guy. :lol:
porieux
11-21-08, 06:33 PM
The new Netflix feature on the 360 is effing awesome!
I'm going to watch a lot more shows/films just due to the convenience factor.
Only one title in my queue wouldn't play on the Xbox and that was 'Crossroads'.
I think I can live without that one LOL. It's not like Columbia is putting their best stuff up there anyway.
chuckd21
11-26-08, 08:31 AM
Sony brought most of the ball back.
Looks like Sony titles are available again. Most of them. Spider-Man 3, for example, still shows as Not Available on Xbox in my queue.
Goldblum
11-26-08, 10:52 AM
Anyone have the release date for Microsoft's Blu-ray add-on so I can watch my BD's on the 360?
Well played. :lol:
Liver&Onions
11-26-08, 11:22 AM
Only one title in my queue wouldn't play on the Xbox and that was 'Crossroads'.
ummmm. Perhaps you shouldn't have admitted that.
Michael Corvin
11-26-08, 11:30 AM
:lol: I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was referring to:
Buy: