Heroes -- "Villains" -- 11.10.2008
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Heroes -- "Villains" -- 11.10.2008
After being gone last week...it returns!
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Wow! Rogue didn't start this thread? That's a surprise.
I can't say I'm looking forward to this episode. Terminator and Prison Break have priority. But, I will watch it before the week is over.
I can't say I'm looking forward to this episode. Terminator and Prison Break have priority. But, I will watch it before the week is over.
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This might be the single worst episode of the entire series. The did-you-see-what-I-did-there-o-meter is so far in the red that the gauge broke. And it's completely rewriting the early episodes of season 1.
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Revisiting the past to CONTRADICT the traits (particularly the beloved ones) of your characters is a very bad idea. This Sylar shit is the worst bit of revisionism since Greedo shooting first.
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That was so bad. It's the only episode that after watching it, my head hurts trying to figure it out.
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I liked it. I thought it was a nice departure from the regualr crap we've been getting.
I liked the ways that they tied into previous episodes, even if they did rewrite a few things (i.e. I thought Arthur killed himself, but I'll take the "heart attack").
Meredith and Flint as bro/sis is kinda funny... it fits, but it's kinda funny.
Poor "African Issac".
I liked the ways that they tied into previous episodes, even if they did rewrite a few things (i.e. I thought Arthur killed himself, but I'll take the "heart attack").
Meredith and Flint as bro/sis is kinda funny... it fits, but it's kinda funny.
Poor "African Issac".
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I am ambivalent, though it was nice to see Kristen Bell get many scenes in this one, though I just don't know if I buy Elle being stable enough to pull off the "seduction" scenes.
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I agree with Patman--ambivalence. An entire show largely constructed around "minor" characters, only to show how they interacted behind-the-scenes in season one, when as a viewer, I really don't care.
I did like being able to see Kristen Bell act finally, and I enjoyed a few of the cute tie-ins to season one (like when HRG gets in the cab with Mohinder), but geez, I barely remember the details of the season.
I felt like this season was getting better...let's hope they get back to that next week...
I did like being able to see Kristen Bell act finally, and I enjoyed a few of the cute tie-ins to season one (like when HRG gets in the cab with Mohinder), but geez, I barely remember the details of the season.
I felt like this season was getting better...let's hope they get back to that next week...
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I think I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of the retcons and continuity gaffes.
I'm assuming that this didn't all take place during "real time." Arthur Petrelli had already died before the first episode, but we see Claire running into the burning train from early in season one.
And the reference to an "invisible man" would put Meredith's storyline here well before Noah shot Claude. Which doesn't really make a lot of sense unless Flint was held at the company for a very long time (while Claude was still active to early season one, to when Claire ran into the burning train).
I don't think I really buy their attempt to make Sylar sympathetic by showing a suicide attempt, and then trying to explain away his serial killings as the influence of The Company.
And, looking back, I'm not sure why it was so important to keep Claire hidden from The Company. Noah had said something about how they would experiment on her and perform vivisection on her, but since they had Adam locked away at the time she seems kind of redundant to their needs.
I'm assuming that this didn't all take place during "real time." Arthur Petrelli had already died before the first episode, but we see Claire running into the burning train from early in season one.
And the reference to an "invisible man" would put Meredith's storyline here well before Noah shot Claude. Which doesn't really make a lot of sense unless Flint was held at the company for a very long time (while Claude was still active to early season one, to when Claire ran into the burning train).
I don't think I really buy their attempt to make Sylar sympathetic by showing a suicide attempt, and then trying to explain away his serial killings as the influence of The Company.
And, looking back, I'm not sure why it was so important to keep Claire hidden from The Company. Noah had said something about how they would experiment on her and perform vivisection on her, but since they had Adam locked away at the time she seems kind of redundant to their needs.
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There were times this week where I felt genuinely entertained for the first time in a long while, but that's the best that I can say about it.
It still feels crowded, disjointed, and, as mentioned now they screwed around with season 1 as well...so I'll join the ambivalent club.
It's not a compliment when you're watching a show only because there's nothing else on, nothing else to do, and you're still feeling enough of an attachment to certain people and certain stories that you just can't quite give it up yet.
It still feels crowded, disjointed, and, as mentioned now they screwed around with season 1 as well...so I'll join the ambivalent club.
It's not a compliment when you're watching a show only because there's nothing else on, nothing else to do, and you're still feeling enough of an attachment to certain people and certain stories that you just can't quite give it up yet.
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Wow, the show is already over, over here on the west coast and this thread only has 17 replies? Man, this show has really fallen off....
As for the episode, another yawner.
As for the episode, another yawner.
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It was a good episode. I guess I'm not loyal to S1 and S2 like some of you so seeing the connecting of the seasons like this was fine with me.
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Decent episode. The only thing that really bothered me was Linderman. He was built up as the ultimate bad-ass in season one and here we find out (in the first five minutes no less), that he was a pussy behind the scenes and afraid of Nathan. Oooookay.
I'm pretty sure it has always been a heart attack.
Who said he didn't?
Who said he didn't?
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I think my time line is off after all the, "one year ago", lines on the screen but I just figured Linderman got brave after what he thought was Pa Patrelli's death.
I love how Ma Patrelli took out Pa. Even if it didn't quite work out the way she planned it was still slick.
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Well, I somewhat enjoyed this one. If only because it reminded me how much I enjoyed the first season. Peter was a nurse?! Characters used to have day jobs?!? Ahh the good ol' days.
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So wait, was Pa Patrelli's original power the mental push thing, or stealing people's powers?
And I could have sworn they said he killed himself too.
From the Heroswiki:
Petrelli is said to have died six months before Volume One: Genesis begins. His death is explained by his wife, Angela Petrelli, to have been a suicide brought about by delusions of grandeur and clinical depression. However, another story was given that Arthur died of a heart attack.
And I could have sworn they said he killed himself too.
From the Heroswiki:
Petrelli is said to have died six months before Volume One: Genesis begins. His death is explained by his wife, Angela Petrelli, to have been a suicide brought about by delusions of grandeur and clinical depression. However, another story was given that Arthur died of a heart attack.