The NLCS: Dodgers vs. Phillies

[damn_skippy]

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Game 1

Thu. 10/9, 12:00 PM
Citizens Bank Park
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


Gm 1 LAD @ PHI Thu Oct. 9 TBD FOX
Gm 2 LAD @ PHI Fri Oct. 10 TBD FOX
Gm 3 PHI @ LAD Sun Oct. 12 TBD FOX
Gm 4 PHI @ LAD Mon Oct. 13 TBD FOX
Gm 5* PHI @ LAD Wed Oct. 15 TBD FOX
Gm 6* LAD @ PHI Fri Oct. 17 TBD FOX
Gm 7* LAD @ PHI Sat Oct. 18 TBD FOX

[Goat3001]

NLCS... thread title, FAIL :down:

This is going to be a good match up. Dodgers have the managing edge but the Phillie's are the more talented team. This series might be worth seeing just to see when playoff Brad Lidge will pitch to playoff Manny Ramierez. Over/Under on how far the ball will go... Canada.

[cardsfan111]

NLCS... thread title, FAIL :down:

:lol: I was going to post the same thing. Of course, fans of those two teams aren't familiar (at least in their recent history) of NLCS talk.

[damn_skippy]

:lol: I was going to post the same thing. Of course, fans of those two teams aren't familiar (at least in their recent history) of NLCS talk.



:lol: You're 100% right.

[rabbit77]

I was wondering if it was a round robin style where now the cubs play the brewers.

[fumanstan]

Dodgers in 6!

I'm afraid of Hamels and Lidge, but I think the rest of the Dodgers starters and bullpen is better then the Phills, unless people are really underrating Lowe, Billingsley, and Kuroda.

I'm deeply afraid of Howard, Utley, or Burrell getting hot and smoking a few balls though which I think could get to the Dodgers if they start trailing early.

[Rogue588]

Go Joe! :up:

[starman9000]

Go Phillies! Put Coste in :)

[wildcatlh]

Dodgers in 6!

I'm afraid of Hamels and Lidge, but I think the rest of the Dodgers starters and bullpen is better then the Phills, unless people are really underrating Lowe, Billingsley, and Kuroda.

I'm deeply afraid of Howard, Utley, or Burrell getting hot and smoking a few balls though which I think could get to the Dodgers if they start trailing early.

While I agree that the Dodgers have the better rotation and pen (outside of closer), the Phillies have an important advantage in how they match up -- the Dodgers have no lefty starters and only have two lefties in the pen. That's a pretty big deal to a team like the Phillies that's lefty-dominated in the middle of the lineup.

[KingSmoth]

I'm pulling for the Dodgers in this one. I've hated Philly since 1993. I will never get over it.

[nickdawgy]

Dodgers in five. They win the first game, lose the second, and then win three straight.

Loney MVP.

[The Cow]

Scripted baseball :down:

[CRM114]

NLCS!!

Just happy to be here. But if I had to bet, I'd bet on Howard and Utley. :)

[fumanstan]

Looks like 8:22 PM EST start times for every game except Friday's, which is at 4:35 EST. Lame. At least 9 EST would have been a little more forgiving. East Coast :down:

[pedagogue]

I'm pulling for the Dodgers in this one. I've hated Philly since.....

forever.

I'd love to see Manny and Joe get to the WS. I figure if the Rays can play LA...it will be win/win. F' you to BOS and NYY if LA wins, and a great story if the Rays pull it out. The only downside to the Rays will be the bandwagon fans, but they still won't be as bad as CHI and BOS bandwagoners.

[Tarantino]

I'm rooting for the Phils. Hey, if my Pirates can't make it (and never will :( ), might as well root for the other Keystone State team.

Rays/Phillies series?

= J

[wildcatlh]

I'm rooting for the Phils. Hey, if my Pirates can't make it (and never will :( ), might as well root for the other Keystone State team.

Rays/Phillies series?

= J

I'd love to see a Rays/Phillies series, because since I'm in exile here in South Florida, I might be able to get up to Tampa for a game.

[starman9000]

While I agree that the Dodgers have the better rotation and pen (outside of closer), the Phillies have an important advantage in how they match up -- the Dodgers have no lefty starters and only have two lefties in the pen. That's a pretty big deal to a team like the Phillies that's lefty-dominated in the middle of the lineup.

I thought I read on ESPN that the Phillies actually hit better and have a better winning % against lefties.

[coli]

For some reason the Phillies were able to shut down Manny in their 4 game series at Home late in the season, and that is why they were able to sweep the Dodgers.

I think the Phillies have more talent, and should win the series, but unless Utley & Howard start hitting, I think the Dodgers may win this series.

[Goat3001]

forever.

I'd love to see Manny and Joe get to the WS. I figure if the Rays can play LA...it will be win/win. F' you to BOS and NYY if LA wins, and a great story if the Rays pull it out. The only downside to the Rays will be the bandwagon fans, but they still won't be as bad as CHI and BOS bandwagoners.

:lol: Is it a rule that the Yankees need to called out all the time? They aren't even in the playoffs.

[cardsfan111]

I thought I read on ESPN that the Phillies actually hit better and have a better winning % against lefties.

The Phils were 60-48 against right handers this season, 32-22 against left handers. So, they've been tough either way. And as we saw when they faced Sabathia, you can shut down Utley/Howard and they have enough offense to still beat you.

This will be an enjoyable series to watch. Both teams have some advantages going their way. I'm just hopeful (and expecting) the series go 6 or 7 games. The Division series matchups were so lopsided, I'm ready for things to tighten up.

[CRM114]

I'm really hoping for a Phillies/Red Sox world series. It all comes down to whether or not the Phils can hit the Dodgers pitching.

BTW, why did Tampa Bay drop "Devil" from their name? :down: expansion.

[CRM114]

I heard Jayson Stark (Philadelphia native) pick the Dodgers in 7.

Good thing considering his last column on ESPN.com was entitled: Why the Chicago Cubs will win the World Series. :lol:

I think Jayson is trying to hard not to be a homer.

[coli]

I'm really hoping for a Phillies/Red Sox world series. .

I would love to see the Phils play their ex-'genius' manager Terry Francona. I always get annoyed when Peter Gammons calls him one of the best managers in Baseball as I didn't hear that from him when Francona lost 85+ games for the Phillies all four years he coached for them. It seems like he turned into a genius when he started managing a 140 million dollar payroll:)

[CRM114]

Yeah, Francona was a stooge. He got a good word from Michael Jordan though. :lol:

[Goat3001]

BTW, why did Tampa Bay drop "Devil" from their name? :down: expansion.


I don't really care that they changed the name but two problems that I have with it:

1- If I have to hear one more announcer say "The Rays got rid of the Devil and are now in the playoffs" or something along those lines I will eat that announcers lunch.

2- Now they're just The Rays. No longer the fish the Devil Ray but just Rays. Why not change the name to The Sting Rays? No.. they decided to stick with Rays and now they're like sunshine rays (or a bunch of guys named Raymond?). That's a pretty lame name for a baseball team.

[bunkaroo]

I don't really care that they changed the name but two problems that I have with it:

1- If I have to hear one more announcer say "The Rays got rid of the Devil and are now in the playoffs" or something along those lines I will eat that announcers lunch.

2- Now they're just The Rays. No longer the fish the Devil Ray but just Rays. Why not change the name to The Sting Rays? No.. they decided to stick with Rays and now they're like sunshine rays (or a bunch of guys named Raymond?). That's a pretty lame name for a baseball team.

Well they still have a patch of the devil ray on their jersey, so go figure.

[starman9000]

2- Now they're just The Rays. No longer the fish the Devil Ray but just Rays. Why not change the name to The Sting Rays? No.. they decided to stick with Rays and now they're like sunshine rays (or a bunch of guys named Raymond?). That's a pretty lame name for a baseball team.

I like it. This should be their new logo (I'm thinking a Chief Wahoo style hat):

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:vcvHU6AUjUlWxM:http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module2/80536/ray_qjpreviewth.jpg

[damn_skippy]

For some reason the Phillies were able to shut down Manny in their 4 game series at Home late in the season, and that is why they were able to sweep the Dodgers.

I think the Phillies have more talent, and should win the series, but unless Utley & Howard start hitting, I think the Dodgers may win this series.


Those were weird games. The dodgers swept them at home and the phillies swept the dodgers at their house.

[LurkerDan]

Go Joe! :up:

My sentiments exactly. I want Joe to win, and I want pictures of the Steinbrenners as he wins!

[El Scorcho]

Interesting series coming up. Dodger pitchers suck against lefty hitters in 2008 (.268 BAA / 1.42 WHIP compared with .239/1.19 for righties) which isn't good since Rollins, Howard, and Utley are all lefty or switch hitters and most of the Dodgers are right-handed hurlers.

Dodger pitchers didn't have to face any real lefties vs the Cubs.

(or real righties for that matter, yuk yuk yuk)

[chrisih8u]

Manny with a long double. :up:

[Quack]

And the first RBI of the series correct? :P

[cardsfan111]

Somehow I must have brought the Phils some luck. I turned on the TV for the first time, with just enough time to see Utley and Burrell go deep.

[damn_skippy]

Lowe just lost it. He was sweating like crazy and he did look confused against Rollins the end of the 6th.

[chrisih8u]

Phillies win. It's early I know, but I think the front runner for NLCS MVP is the little white towel. A gritty performance tonight.

[damn_skippy]

Yeah that white towel was off the hook.

[CRM114]

Another outstanding start by Cole Hamels.

[raven56706]

funny to hear the rant from Joe buck and Mccarver on Manny....

[CRM114]

What was funny about it? He's a jackass.

[chrisih8u]

There was a brief moment where I asked myself if I was wrong in my support for Manny. Then I realized that McCarver, Schilling, and the Boston Media all disagreed with me. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy being on the opposite side of those clowns.

[CRM114]

You are cheering for the biggest douche in baseball and THEY are the clowns? :lol:

[BravesMG]

You are cheering for the biggest douche in baseball and THEY are the clowns? :lol:Absolutely. At least Manny knows he's a clown.

[Dave7393]

Lowe just lost it. He was sweating like crazy and he did look confused against Rollins the end of the 6th.

Lowe has been known to really sweat like a pig out there, but I agree that "confused" would be a good way to describe how he appeared toward the end.

[chrisih8u]

You cheer for a guy who beat his wife. I guess not hustling down to first is a worse offense to you. :shrug:

[Dave7393]

You cheer for a guy who beat his wife. I guess not hustling down to first is a worse offense to you. :shrug:

If you're *any* kind of a sports fan, I guarantee that you'll be cheering for a few pricks along the way. Probably much more than a few.

[Tarantino]

I wasn't a Manny fan to begin with, but anyone who threatens not to play, basically quits his team half way through a season, doesn't hustle, and plays defense that makes Barry Bonds look like a left field wizard just doesn't get my support.

= J

[CRM114]

You cheer for a guy who beat his wife. I guess not hustling down to first is a worse offense to you. :shrug:

True but his wife is still with him and he said he learned his lesson. That was years ago. Manny starts fights with 64 year old dudes and teammates. In other words, he's a douche. Myers is formerly a douche.

[chrisih8u]

Yeah, I'm sure he's husband of the year now. :lol:

And Manny said he learned his lesson.

[CRM114]

And Manny said he learned his lesson.

Talk to me in two years. :lol:

[chrisih8u]

If you're *any* kind of a sports fan, I guarantee that you'll be cheering for a few pricks along the way. Probably much more than a few.

Sure, but to say Manny is biggest douchebag in mlb is just stupid. There are far worse people.

[CRM114]

Sure, but to say Manny is biggest douchebag in mlb is just stupid. There are far worse people.

Manny is just the biggest now because Bonds is out of the game. It has nothing to do with any single offense but overall douchebaggery. :shrug:

[damn_skippy]

I always thought that title went to jeff kent.

[chrisih8u]

And your standards for being a douchbag is nonsensical. The fact that you are comparing him to someone who cheated, did illegal drugs, encouraged others to use illegal drugs, and lied under oath pretty much proves to me that you lap up the shit that McCarver and ESPN spew.

But the guy who beats his wife gets a pass from you because he hasnt been arrested for it in two years.


Manny's biggest crime? Not talking to media.

[Deftones]

I always thought that title went to jeff kent.

jeff kent can't be a douchebag. he hated barry bonds, so there is something to be said for that. :lol:

[B.A.]

I always thought it was always an act w/ Manny. That's how I tolerate him.

[fumanstan]

I just figured that being in Boston for that long does that to you ;) Nomar, Pedro, Manny... things seem to turn sour pretty quickly over there :p

[damn_skippy]

jeff kent can't be a douchebag. he hated barry bonds, so there is something to be said for that. :lol:


Bonds is out of league now. Bonds was always top dipshit, now that he is gone Kent stepped up to fill the void.

[chrisih8u]

I just figured that being in Boston for that long does that to you ;) Nomar, Pedro, Manny... things seem to turn sour pretty quickly over there :p

You may be joking, but you are not wrong. I know I'm beating a dead horse, but if you don't play kiss ass with the Boston media, they will run you out of town.

[fumanstan]

You may be joking, but you are not wrong. I know I'm beating a dead horse, but if you don't play kiss ass with the Boston media, they will run you out of town.

Half joking, half serious I guess. I don't pay enough attention to baseball outside of regular news and standings to really make a comment like I know whats happening, but it certainly seems that as soon as your star starts to fade a bit in Boston (and NY for that matter, outside of Jeter) everyone turns on you.

[brookzy]

I would love to see the Phils play their ex-'genius' manager Terry Francona. I always get annoyed when Peter Gammons calls him one of the best managers in Baseball as I didn't hear that from him when Francona lost 85+ games for the Phillies all four years he coached for them. It seems like he turned into a genius when he started managing a 140 million dollar payroll:)

Torre wasn't Considered a genius until he came to the Yankees either!!

[CRM114]

And your standards for being a douchbag is nonsensical. The fact that you are comparing him to someone who cheated, did illegal drugs, encouraged others to use illegal drugs, and lied under oath pretty much proves to me that you lap up the shit that McCarver and ESPN spew.

But the guy who beats his wife gets a pass from you because he hasnt been arrested for it in two years.


Manny's biggest crime? Not talking to media.

I know its the homer in you talking. :lol:

Look, I love TO but I still consider him a douchebag. Compared to other NFL players, TO is clean as a whistle, right? BTW, can Manny speak in complete sentences?

[Goat3001]

I know its the homer in you talking. :lol:



But he's a Red Sox fan... shouldn't he hate Manny more than anyone?

[CRM114]

Charlie Manuel's mother apparently passed away today.

:(

[Deftones]

nice throw behind manny, there. :lol:

[Birrman54]

The only thing that Manny has ever done that I find disgusting was the recent assault on the Traveling Secretary for Boston. The fact that he wasn't suspended for that was a real travesty. Besides that, the only thing Manny is really guilty of is not taking the game as seriously as the Boston media would have liked.

The dude is a career .314 / .411 / .593 hitter, who has hit 30+ HR for 12 of the last 14 years. I'm an O's fan and the way Boston treated Manny was completely uncalled for, I'll take him in left field any day.

Oh, and "quit on his team"? lol - here's Manny's line this July: 347 / 473 / 587, what a loser.

[wildcatlh]

Brett Myers is a friggin hitting star!

[Deftones]

nice running there myers! :lol:

[wildcatlh]

nice running there myers! :lol:

Just look at the man. He obviously doesn't run much. :)

Shane Victorino! 4-1!

[Deftones]

well, this is nice to see. keep it going, phils.

[devilshalo]

Thank god Howard sucks.

[Deftones]

Bret Myers: offensive juggernaut. :lol:

[wildcatlh]

Bret Myers: offensive juggernaut. :lol:

.050 batting average all season, now he's 2-2 with 3 RBIs in this game, and in the NLDS he drew the 10 pitch walk against CC Sabathia that made Sabathia basically unravel.

[Deftones]

jesus. shane victorino is tearing shit up. so far, he's the series MVP.

[devilshalo]

Um.. it's pronounced moo-soo-bee. -ohbfrank-

8 - 2.. now, ouch.

[wildcatlh]

jesus. shane victorino is tearing shit up. so far, he's the series MVP.

Shane is such a great player, and he never gets any attention.

[Deftones]

manny being manny!

[wildcatlh]

Brett Myers for MVP.

[Deftones]

nice AB there, Nomah! :lol:

[wildcatlh]

Turn the lights out. Guarantee that at the very worst the series comes back to Philadelphia. I hope it doesn't.

[damn_skippy]

i just say the highlight of nomars bat what a joke.

[wildcatlh]

Is it too much to ask to have TJ Simers take a line drive foul ball to the face sometime while the series is in LA? I realize that he'll be in the press box so that might be difficult, but still.

[whotony]

who is tj simers and why do you want him to be injured.

[CRM114]

Last I heard from Jayson Stark, the Phillies wouldn't be able to generate any offense against Dodger pitching.

:shrug:

[cardsfan111]

Shane is such a great player, and he never gets any attention.

Victorino is playing out of his mind. I got a chance to watch him a couple times when he was in AAA and was really impressed with him. He has really turned it on this postseason.

[Setzer]

who is tj simers and why do you want him to be injured.
He's a sports writer for the LA Times...

...and a total asshole.

[whotony]

ok but so what, still who is he and why give him any cred or even mentioning him without saying who he is and what he has done to cause you to want to injure him.

he's a sports writer, not that important.

you can say the same about at least one writer from nearly every city, even the tv guys.

did anyone hear what mark grace said before game one of phils/dodgers.
he went the lazy route and blasted the phils fans by going the down the "they throw stuff" road. sheesh that is so tired, every team has had fans that have done stupid stuff.

nothing like that has happened in philly on a long long time.
I was surprised he didn't say they throw stuff at santa clause.


also didnt Stark, a former philly paper sports writer, say the braves will win or at least be in the WS before the season started.

[wildcatlh]

ok but so what, still who is he and why give him any cred or even mentioning him without saying who he is and what he has done to cause you to want to injure him.

he's a sports writer, not that important.

you can say the same about at least one writer from nearly every city, even the tv guys.

did anyone hear what mark grace said before game one of phils/dodgers.
he went the lazy route and blasted the phils fans by going the down the "they throw stuff" road. sheesh that is so tired, every team has had fans that have done stupid stuff.

nothing like that has happened in philly on a long long time.
I was surprised he didn't say they throw stuff at santa clause.


also didnt Stark, a former philly paper sports writer, say the braves will win or at least be in the WS before the season started.

Jeez. You want specifics, here they are.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers9-2008oct09,0,4573583.column
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers10-2008oct10,0,7211102.column

[whotony]

yea i read both those articles and don't see why anyone would hate him any more then any other sports writer.

even here in angryville a sports writer took on the philly fans and said they should stop booing and be more supportive. big jerk.

[CRM114]

Wow. That dude is an idiot, that's for sure. He claims everyone wants to see LA in the World Series. I'd think people might be interested to see the best homerun hitter in baseball and the last two (and probably next) MVPs. This guy has a strange view of Philly from his hotel room. Not up to New York and Boston standards? New York sure but please, Boston? :lol:

[whotony]

did one of you guys call 610 WIP in philly?

there was a caller this afternoon that seemed to say exactly word for word what is
in a few of these posts on this simers guy.

[wildcatlh]

I did not call WIP. But the sentiments here aren't exactly uncommon on the various Phillies blogs/forums.

[fumanstan]

Wow. That dude is an idiot, that's for sure. He claims everyone wants to see LA in the World Series. I'd think people might be interested to see the best homerun hitter in baseball and the last two (and probably next) MVPs. This guy has a strange view of Philly from his hotel room. Not up to New York and Boston standards? New York sure but please, Boston? :lol:

I didn't read the article as Simers is in fact an idiot, even to people here in Southern California, but surely you don't assume that people would rather see Philly then LA in the World Series, do you? Especially if its against Boston. By FAR. Manny Ramirez is a bigger media story then anyone on the Phillies.

[CRM114]

Hopefully, that will not be an issue. It's time for Howard to break it loose.

[fumanstan]

Howard with a big game is what scares me the most right now. Manny :up:

[fumanstan]

Damn it Nomar.

[fumanstan]

DeWitt :up:

:banana: 5-0 early

[fumanstan]

I didn't catch the last two games because of work, but tensions certainly seem high with the inside stuff that the Phillies are throwing. Glad the Dodgers retaliated, and it's funny since the announcers kept talking about it.

I applaud Victorino for understanding why that pitch went where it did though. That seemed like it could have been a lot worse.

[whotony]

guess it's not the phils night.
even smoked balls are being caught.

[fumanstan]

Wow. That dude is an idiot, that's for sure. He claims everyone wants to see LA in the World Series. I'd think people might be interested to see the best homerun hitter in baseball and the last two (and probably next) MVPs. This guy has a strange view of Philly from his hotel room. Not up to New York and Boston standards? New York sure but please, Boston? :lol:

The way this thread is going, perhaps people don't want to see either team :lol:

[fumanstan]

Damn it Chan Ho.

[fumanstan]

Whew, 2 great catches by Ethier. All tied up 3-3.

[fumanstan]

Fuck it, i'll cheer by myself if I have to. Home run Blake :up:

[cardsfan111]

I'll cheer with you, fumanstan! I have reasons to cheer for both teams, but I'd definitely like LA to win tonight to keep the series tight.

Aside from Howard's horrible throw last inning, we've seen some great defensive plays by both teams (specifically Ethier and Utley) tonight.

[fumanstan]

Utley's catch and dive at the bag was fantastic. The guy is awesome.

[Quake1028]

Victorino!

[damn_skippy]

Fuck

[damn_skippy]

holy shit he hit that a ton

[wildcatlh]

I love you Matt Stairs.

[Quake1028]

Dodgers just lost this series.

[damn_skippy]

games not over yet

[wildcatlh]

games not over yet

No it is not. Not by a long shot.

[whotony]

i just cant figure out how a ballplayer at this level still doesnt know how to throw a ball.

[fumanstan]

Fucking Stairs.

Dodger bullpen :down:

[nickdawgy]

Just get a guy on for Manny.

[whotony]

Romero ........

[whotony]

hmm a 4 out save for lidge, first time this season for that one.

[nickdawgy]

Wow, that went from good to bad in a heartbeat.

[damn_skippy]

i think they are just worried about getting manny out.

[damn_skippy]

Stairs home run was like a big fat kick in the nutsack.

[wildcatlh]

phew.

[CRM114]

Holy crap.

[wildcatlh]

Holy crap.

Don't tell me you lost faith and turned the game off!

[whotony]

when is Howard foing to hit a ball in the air.

[wildcatlh]

Lights Out.

[fumanstan]

Damn, even with Howard sucking the Phillies offense has come thru.

[damn_skippy]

man this is the second game the dodgers let them win. Game 1 should have been a dodger win and this one. FUCK.

Even though the dodgers were on the losing side this was a great game. Nice win by the phillies. They came through when they had to.

[nickdawgy]

Now the Dodgers are done.

[nickdawgy]

Stairs home run was like a big fat kick in the nutsack.


As an Angels fan, I felt many kicks in the nutsack during the ALDS. Unfortunately, most of them came from Angel players.

[Setzer]

As an Angels fan, I felt many kicks in the nutsack during the ALDS. Unfortunately, most of them came from Angel players.
Yep, guys like Vlad, GA, Aybar and Kendrick gave us some good shots to the nutsack in that series.

Anyways, Go Phillies!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CRM114]

Don't tell me you lost faith and turned the game off!

No! My wife did though.

[CRM114]

I also have to admit I was wrong earlier in the thread.

Derek Lowe is definitely a bigger douche than Ramirez. :lol:

Manny Ramirez is just a scary good hitter. The Phils should not pitch to him anymore, period.

[wildcatlh]

I also have to admit I was wrong earlier in the thread.

Derek Lowe is definitely a bigger douche than Ramirez. :lol:

Manny Ramirez is just a scary good hitter. The Phils should not pitch to him anymore, period.

And Russell Martin is a bigger douche than either of them, plus unlike the other two he hasn't been backing it up with his play.

C'mon Phils. End this on Wednesday.

[fumanstan]

What did Derek Lowe and Russell Martin do?

[wildcatlh]

Martin's an ass because of the way he reacted to what was obviously not a purpose pitch from Moyer, one that he didn't even attempt to get out of the way from.

[wildcatlh]

Also, can FOX please come up with songs other than "Gonna Fly Now" for the Phillies and "I Love LA" for the Dodgers?

[coli]

If someone told me before the series that Utley, Rollins, and Howard would all be in a hitting slump and the Phils would still be up 3-1, I would have said they were nuts. With Hammels going in Game 5, hopefully Phils can wrap it up in LA and get a weeks rest for the World Series, so Hammels can go in Game 1.

[fumanstan]

Martin's an ass because of the way he reacted to what was obviously not a purpose pitch from Moyer, one that he didn't even attempt to get out of the way from.

:lol: The one that hit him in the leg? He didn't do anything after that pitch other then take his base and be a little angry. After seeing Myer's pitch behind Manny, I guess Myer's is a douche too. Or Victorino is a douche because the ball went over him and not actually at his head but whined about it. That's just silly.

[CRM114]

What did Derek Lowe and Russell Martin do?

Lowe? Smashing stuff in the dugout and ripping his shirt off? I mean, c'mon! :lol:

[CRM114]

Also, can FOX please come up with songs other than "Gonna Fly Now" for the Phillies and "I Love LA" for the Dodgers?

Yeah, why not Philadelphia Freedom or something?

[CRM114]

:lol: The one that hit him in the leg? He didn't do anything after that pitch other then take his base and be a little angry. After seeing Myer's pitch behind Manny, I guess Myer's is a douche too. Or Victorino is a douche because the ball went over him and not actually at his head but whined about it. That's just silly.

I guess you missed it when Martin freaked out in the dugout and smash that cooler or whatever it was.... That team needs to mellow out.

[fumanstan]

I guess you missed it when Martin freaked out in the dugout and smash that cooler or whatever it was.... That team needs to mellow out.

Oh I saw that. And Lowe. I don't see how showing emotion in the dugout equates to being douche bags. Especially when they're mad at themselves for fucking up in a big game.

If you think they're douche bags for that, I'd hope you think Myers or Moyer are the next step worse for throwing behind Manny and head hunting Martin (I don't really think they're douches, just using an example). Gimmie a break :lol:

[fumanstan]

Annnnnd.... the Dodgers look about done already :(

[wildcatlh]

Wow, Furcal. Wow.

[whotony]

ok here we go

[whotony]

well that should it for mannyville.

[CRM114]

One more inning!

[wildcatlh]

whew, I hope I can get some sleep tonight after that one.

Awesome. Just awesome.

[CRM114]

Bring on the Rays and their lame dome!!

[whotony]

"Hard to believe Harry"

[damn_skippy]

My wife told me the Dodgers basically sucked balls tonight. She said furcal played like ass and it was better that I didn't watch it. Congrats to the phillies and their fans. I guess the big question is can the rays be stopped. They look pretty unstoppable as of late.

[coli]

Phillies fan here, but if the Rays win tonight, I think a Phils/Rays series is going 7 games. I think the Dodgers really showed why they only won 84 games this year, and take Manny out of that lineup, and they are not even a playoff team. I am not taking away anything from the Phils win, but they have had an easy road to the World Series, as the Brewers were spent after using Sabbathia every 3 days and not having Sheets. The Dodgers lineup sucks except Manny, and their bullpen was overrated too. The Cubs were the team I really thought the Phils would have trouble with, but they are still...the Cubs.

Don't underestimate the Rays, they have the pitching and the lineup, and they are playing like the Phillies right now, not afraid of anyone. The Phils can't rely on just the Homerun ball if they are going to beat the Rays. As I said, this series is going 7.

[Red Dog]

As I said, this series is going 7.

FOX hopes you're wrong. ;)

[Goat3001]

Too bad for Hollywood Joe. But Congrats to the Phillies. I have a few friends that are from Philly and I'm torn on who to pull for in the WS. On one hand I would like to see my friends happy... on the other hand I get a real kick out of their misery and self-loathing.

[CRM114]

Phillies fan here, but if the Rays win tonight, I think a Phils/Rays series is going 7 games. I think the Dodgers really showed why they only won 84 games this year, and take Manny out of that lineup, and they are not even a playoff team. I am not taking away anything from the Phils win, but they have had an easy road to the World Series, as the Brewers were spent after using Sabbathia every 3 days and not having Sheets. The Dodgers lineup sucks except Manny, and their bullpen was overrated too. The Cubs were the team I really thought the Phils would have trouble with, but they are still...the Cubs.

Don't underestimate the Rays, they have the pitching and the lineup, and they are playing like the Phillies right now, not afraid of anyone. The Phils can't rely on just the Homerun ball if they are going to beat the Rays. As I said, this series is going 7.

I like the Phillies chances. They have been building to this moment for years and they have the talent on the squad to go all the way.

[starman9000]

I hope Coste gets at least an AB in the Series. I'd love for him to get the chance to start a game, but I know it's not likely.

[coli]

on the other hand I get a real kick out of their misery and self-loathing.

There will be alot of misery if the Phils lose, as all my friends & co-workers today think the Phillies are going to win the World Series in 5 or 6 games. It is making me nervous, because they are alittle bit cocky after last night, and I think we need to realize Tampa is alot better then LA. I am not getting too ahead of myself in thinking the Phils are going to win it all, as I do remember that Tampa/Eagles NFC Championship in 2002 that we all thought Tampa couldn't walk into Philly in January and beat us.:mad:

[damn_skippy]

Phillies fan here, but if the Rays win tonight, I think a Phils/Rays series is going 7 games. I think the Dodgers really showed why they only won 84 games this year, and take Manny out of that lineup, and they are not even a playoff team. I am not taking away anything from the Phils win, but they have had an easy road to the World Series, as the Brewers were spent after using Sabbathia every 3 days and not having Sheets. The Dodgers lineup sucks except Manny, and their bullpen was overrated too. The Cubs were the team I really thought the Phils would have trouble with, but they are still...the Cubs.

Don't underestimate the Rays, they have the pitching and the lineup, and they are playing like the Phillies right now, not afraid of anyone. The Phils can't rely on just the Home Run ball if they are going to beat the Rays. As I said, this series is going 7.


Well at least you win with class. The Phillie's were better and they deserved to win but your team is not gonna beat the rays or red sox. If its the rays. The Phillie's are gonna get killed. The rays win in 5 games.

[CRM114]

Well at least you win with class. The Phillie's were better and they deserved to win but your team is not gonna beat the rays or red sox. If its the rays. The Phillie's are gonna get killed. The rays win in 5 games.

Why do you say that? It's not as if the Phils have a roster of lightweights.

[fumanstan]

Phillies fan here, but if the Rays win tonight, I think a Phils/Rays series is going 7 games. I think the Dodgers really showed why they only won 84 games this year, and take Manny out of that lineup, and they are not even a playoff team. I am not taking away anything from the Phils win, but they have had an easy road to the World Series, as the Brewers were spent after using Sabbathia every 3 days and not having Sheets. The Dodgers lineup sucks except Manny, and their bullpen was overrated too. The Cubs were the team I really thought the Phils would have trouble with, but they are still...the Cubs.

Don't underestimate the Rays, they have the pitching and the lineup, and they are playing like the Phillies right now, not afraid of anyone. The Phils can't rely on just the Homerun ball if they are going to beat the Rays. As I said, this series is going 7.

That's pretty stupid. The Dodgers lineup isn't that bad without Manny, although he certainly solidifies it and gives them an offensive threat. I think their young age just caught up with them and a lot of the young guys just struggled when they needed to come up big both offensively and defensively. Phils are a better team and they showed it, but I don't think they necessarily had it easy. Game 1 and 5 just slipped away from LA.

[damn_skippy]

Why do you say that? It's not as if the Phils have a roster of lightweights.

The AL is stronger than the NL. And the rays just seem to be playing at a different level than the rest of the MLB. Just call it a gut feeling but IMO the rays are gonna win it all this year.

[KingSmoth]

The AL is stronger than the NL. And the rays just seem to be playing at a different level than the rest of the MLB. Just call it a gut feeling but IMO the rays are gonna win it all this year.

I'm with you on this one. Rays take it all by the 6th game.

[wlmowery]

First, I think BOS is done. Rays win in game 6.

I am going to go with the Phillies in 6 for the WS Title. I think that Hamels is good for 2 wins in the WS, as the Phils should be able to come up with 2-3 runs against anyone the Rays throw out there. I think Myers is good for at least 1 win out of his two games. That leaves the Phils needing one victory from either Blanton or Moyer while at home. I think it can be done.

The key for the Phillies is to keep the Rays long-ball in check. If the Myers wins game 2 in TB, the Phils may take it in 5. If Myers loses game 2, it will go to 6 with Myers winning game 6.

[wildcatlh]

You stay classy, Dodgers fans.

http://www.the700level.com/2008/10/fan-report-at-t.html

(not saying Phillies fans have never done this, but saying it's ridiculous behavior, and more proof that Philadelphia sports fans aren't the "OMG WORST FANS YOU'LL EVER SEE")

[fumanstan]

Yeah, i'm pretty sure Detroit fans are the worst :)

The shitty thing is about maybe 1/4 of Dodger fans are, and not to sound racist, the Mexican gangbanger type, which pretty much act like reject Raider fans and aren't exactly the most friendly bunch. So I totally understand that it would suck there.

Although the crack about empty seats would make sense if the start time wasn't a retarded 5:00 PM on the West Coast when people can't fucking make it on time.

[CRM114]

The key for the Phillies is to keep the Rays long-ball in check.

I think the reverse case could be more easily made.

[CRM114]

You stay classy, Dodgers fans.

http://www.the700level.com/2008/10/fan-report-at-t.html

(not saying Phillies fans have never done this, but saying it's ridiculous behavior, and more proof that Philadelphia sports fans aren't the "OMG WORST FANS YOU'LL EVER SEE")

Actually, the Phils fans are very tame. Eagles fans? Thats a different story. :)

[CRM114]

Yeah, i'm pretty sure Detroit fans are the worst :)

The shitty thing is about maybe 1/4 of Dodger fans are, and not to sound racist, the Mexican gangbanger type, which pretty much act like reject Raider fans and aren't exactly the most friendly bunch. So I totally understand that it would suck there.

Although the crack about empty seats would make sense if the start time wasn't a retarded 5:00 PM on the West Coast when people can't fucking make it on time.

If the game started at 5:00 in Philadelphia, the stadium would have been full. That's no excuse. Hell, the stadium was full during those 3:00 starts vs the Brewers. I took a half day and left early.

[fumanstan]

If the game started at 5:00 in Philadelphia, the stadium would have been full. That's no excuse. Hell, the stadium was full during those 3:00 starts vs the Brewers. I took a half day and left early.

I guess. But hey, a lot of people here just have other things to do that they value more then sports. The ol' show up late and leave early crack always comes up, but i'm sure as shit happy that i'm not surrounded by fanatics. Or people that are quick to call members of the other team douche bags and assholes for stupid reasons. :)

[CRM114]

I guess. But hey, a lot of people here just have other things to do that they value more then sports. The ol' show up late and leave early crack always comes up, but i'm sure as shit happy that i'm not surrounded by fanatics. Or people that are quick to call members of the other team douche bags and assholes for stupid reasons. :)

Did you see any Phillies players smashing shit in the dugout or ripping their shirts off? It may be "stupid" to you but you obviously are a homer. The bandwagon fans have other stuff to do they "value more than sports." Thats why they get ridiculed and you don't have an NFL team. I wouldn't brag about it.

[fumanstan]

Did you see any Phillies players smashing shit in the dugout or ripping their shirts off? It may be "stupid" to you but you obviously are a homer. The bandwagon fans have other stuff to do they "value more than sports." Thats why they get ridiculed and you don't have an NFL team. I wouldn't brag about it.

How am I homer because I think calling a player a douche bag or asshole for showing their frustration in the dug out is retarded? Manny being a douche for dogging it in Boston is deserved. Thinking Martin or Lowe being a douche for slamming a Gatorade bottle is stupid as hell. Like I said earlier, I hope you think Myers and the other dude that knocked down Martin are douches too for their actions on the field. Then again, you also think everyone is dying to see Philly in the WS more then LA or Boston, so who's the homer? Sheesh.

As far as the fans here, there really aren't that many bandwagon Dodger fans. There are a lot of bandwagon Angel fans after 2002 (a lot which are now full converts from what I can tell), but the Dodger fan base is fairly solid, although made up largely of the type I mentioned earlier. People just aren't that into sports here, and everyone knows it. Ask anyone in Southern California that posts here on this forum. I'm not bragging, it's just the truth. It's probably why attendance over there for the Florida teams is similar considering the type of lives people live, rich areas, nightlife, things like that. People just grow up doing a lot of things other then watching sports and treat sports as a side attraction, not really because they're on the bandwagon.

[CRM114]

Your view of the northeast is that there is no nightlife or rich areas? Have you ever been in Manhattan? :)

[fumanstan]

Your view of the northeast is that there is no nightlife or rich areas? Have you ever been in Manhattan? :)

Did I write that it was non-existent there? :hscratch: And surely you don't think the night life and patrons in Philly is the same as Hollywood :lol:

Since you're such a Philly guy, maybe Cole Hamels will help :)

Hamels grew up near San Diego as a Dodgers fan and embodies the stereotype of the laid-back Southern Californian.

"Growing up on the West Coast, I think there's more to do," he said. "So when you have good weather, you can be at the beach. You can be mountain biking ... versus the East Coast, where I think it's kind of the history and the longtime evolution of sports."

Whereas Phillies fans completely absorb themselves in the game, the players' statistics and how well or poorly they're playing, it's not that way out here.

"The West Coast, it's more of a business venture when you take somebody to a game," Hamels said. "You're almost trying to break the next business deal. On the East Coast, everybody is wearing a jersey versus a suit and a tie, and they're eating the hot dogs and everything. The East Coast, they're just more passionate and more involved and that brings out the love of the game a little bit more."

[CRM114]

Hamels toked a few too many I think.

You'd think it was 12 degrees year round. :lol: