Derek and John try to protect a member of the resistance by infiltrating a military academy. Meanwhile, Ellison's first assignment for Weaver uncovers a specter from his past.
aktick
10-06-08, 09:04 AM
Hopefully this isn't the last new episode aired. :(
Baseball next week...
TallGuyMe
10-06-08, 09:45 AM
prophetic episode title? :(
gmanca
10-06-08, 11:41 AM
Isn't this also the first "new" episode with the others being leftovers from S1 because of the strike?
DJariya
10-06-08, 01:45 PM
Isn't this also the first "new" episode with the others being leftovers from S1 because of the strike?
No, they only wrote and filmed 9 episodes last season because of the strike. Josh Friedman, the creator of the show, did not partipicate in the show last season also because of the strike.
All 13 episodes scheduled this season are new
Axeramm
10-06-08, 09:30 PM
This was a very good episode. I want more like it in the future.
N2DVD
10-06-08, 10:57 PM
Very good episode. Wife wanted to watch this instead of Chuck tonight. Good choice. Next week looks to get Cameron back into action, with a bit of humor, too.
gmanca
10-06-08, 11:04 PM
No, they only wrote and filmed 9 episodes last season because of the strike. Josh Friedman, the creator of the show, did not partipicate in the show last season also because of the strike.
All 13 episodes scheduled this season are new
Gotcha, thanks for the info!
Don't mean to alarm, but I can't get a listing for next week, but I can for Heroes.
Brian Gentz
10-06-08, 11:09 PM
Gotcha, thanks for the info!
Don't mean to alarm, but I can't get a listing for next week, but I can for Heroes.
MLB playoffs on Fox.
Bigsierra
10-06-08, 11:49 PM
The kid playing the 360 said EFK (that's what it said in the closed caption). What does that acronym mean? Maybe the CC people just blew it and it was supposed to be AFK
gmanca
10-07-08, 12:00 AM
LOL, I forgot about the NLCS!
Great episode and I really liked the preview for the episode in two weeks. One thing that's bugging me is the consistent talk about the future, details of things to happen but they can't be stopped.
ckw4b
10-07-08, 12:13 AM
That was a great episode. Hopefully, the title is not prophetic.
Bigsierra
10-07-08, 12:39 AM
Maybe we need to be writing to Dodge to tell them, thank for supporting an awesome show.
I would hate see this one go away. That was the best episode of the two seasons, but even the ones that weren't as good were better than the alternative.
TimeandTide
10-07-08, 12:48 AM
My second favorite ep. of the series, just slightly behind last season's finale. Could have been the best if not for yet another season 2 WTF?! moment--this time when Derek gets a job within minutes of walking into that military school.
Could have done with the heavy-handed moments at the end with Sarah and the kid (his head on her shoulder? then lap? REALLY?), but everything else was quality, from the pacing, to the action, to the actually-decent scenes with Manson. (And no stupid pregnant girl subplots! YAY!)
Deleted it from season pass after last week's train wreck, but glad I flipped to it between innings of the baseball game. Will definitely be checking out next weeks.
Question: Bad sign that the only commercials were from Dodge? Think the show knows it's run is almost over and had to squeeze a season's-worth of Dodge ads?
kstublen
10-07-08, 04:06 AM
This was a fantastic episode. I could care less about what happened with Sarah and that little kid, but the plot revolving around John and Derek was great. I wish they did that more; show parts of the future and then relate it back to the present and members that will play a part in the resistance.
Also, I'm really digging the Ellison subplot. I'm pretty much convinced that he has a big part in the creation of SkyNet, and I feel like he realizes he is involved in something bigger and yet he isn't sure what side he is supposed to be on. I think his relationship with SkyNet could turn out to be very interesting.
The kid playing the 360 said EFK (that's what it said in the closed caption). What does that acronym mean? Maybe the CC people just blew it and it was supposed to be AFK
The closed captioning got it wrong; he said AFK.
Raul3
10-07-08, 09:45 AM
It was interesting sans the kid part. But the end really got me, when he said that they'd die for John. The story made a giant leap with that scene.
Bronkster
10-07-08, 11:26 AM
Since this isn't a show I look for a lot of depth in, I'm trying to figure if there was more to the Wizard of Oz references beyond the obvious: Sarah reading about the Bad Witch as the guys are facing the terminator - and the whole melting thing. And they took the name Baum, who is the author of Oz.
This season is keeping me interested - I was thinking it would quickly fall into repetition, but is doing good stuff so far.
Deftones
10-07-08, 11:36 AM
I just got kidnapped....but I need to finish my book report! :lol:
Wow, this show's dialogue is hilariously bad.
Bigsierra
10-07-08, 11:50 AM
I just got kidnapped....but I need to finish my book report! :lol:
Wow, this show's dialogue is hilariously bad.
I thought the kid realized that he just got his butt saved from bullet holes through the door. Then when they were in hiding, I felt like he was trying to find a way to keep his life normal.
How high brow should the dialogue be?
CKMorpheus
10-07-08, 11:56 AM
It was interesting sans the kid part. But the end really got me, when he said that they'd die for John. The story made a giant leap with that scene.
Agreed on every point. Gah! Fox, do the right thing and keep this show on the air!
starseed1981
10-07-08, 12:41 PM
Solid episode. Really enjoying this one.
Deftones
10-07-08, 01:07 PM
I thought the kid realized that he just got his butt saved from bullet holes through the door. Then when they were in hiding, I felt like he was trying to find a way to keep his life normal.
How high brow should the dialogue be?
I don't know. Maybe scared shitless, hiding in a closet like a real kid would be. Overall, everything except for that kid plot point last night was good. That was just so laughably bad it brought down the entire episode.
Doc MacGyver
10-07-08, 03:05 PM
While I agree the kid subplot was terrible, everything at the military school and the future was awesome (with the exception of the old man make-up on the one guy... come on, he's supposed to be older than Derek!).
Loved the plan they put into effect, as well as the little character moments like Derek spotting the deer. He's quickly becoming my favorite character on the show. The whole PTSD aspect is very cool and I'm glad they haven't lost that. Remember, he spent a relatively short portion of his life pre-Apocalypse, so this all has to be weird for him.
That big-ass gun was awesome, and should totally be employed more. Revealing that the reason the military kid was so important was because HE saves John Connor... that was a sock to the gut, as was the realization that he died doing so, meaning he and John never meet again in the future. That and the whole, "We all die for you..." line offer glimpses of what this show COULD be if given time to grow.
I only have a few minor complaints. Once again, T2 Sarah would kick this Sarah's ass. THAT Sarah wouldn't give two shits about the other potential targets. Also, wouldn't the Terminator have already killed the kid's parents and waited for contact, a la EVERY OTHER TERMINATOR we've seen?
Still, fantastic episode, and a HUGE improvement over last week's crapfest. Surpisingly little Cameron for such a great ep as well!
I love that they are expanding the universe, as someone mentioned in a previous thread. For example, the fact that Derek is showing John that these things CAN be taken down, and not simply by throwing another Terminator at it.
The Urinator is proving to be a lot more "human" than the T-1000... not just in behavior but in her seeming fascination with humanity. Why, for example, would she start banging that dude before killing him?
Also, with this guy now dead, wouldn't Agent Ellison start to suspect something? I mean, she even intimated that things would be better without him around... AND he tells her about Sarah, whom he swore he'd never lead anyone to? If he's going bad, so be it... he just turned heel pretty quickly, I guess.
Still, great episode, and I wouldn't mind more of these, and less of "Cameron-goes-crazy" episodes.
-Doc
dgmayor
10-07-08, 03:11 PM
Question: Bad sign that the only commercials were from Dodge? Think the show knows it's run is almost over and had to squeeze a season's-worth of Dodge ads?
I just watched it on Hulu and it was also only Dodge commercials. Seems to me it was one of those "limited commercial interruptions brought to you by Dodge" type of episodes. 1 hour TV shows are 44 minutes and change, rest being commercials. This episode ran 52 minutes. Dodge pays more to be the only commercials and they can make more money on less commercial time.
lisadoris
10-07-08, 03:13 PM
Also, with this guy now dead, wouldn't Agent Ellison start to suspect something? I mean, she even intimated that things would be better without him around... AND he tells her about Sarah, whom he swore he'd never lead anyone to? If he's going bad, so be it... he just turned heel pretty quickly, I guess.
-Doc
Do we know that Ellison mentioned Sarah? He told her about the man at the plant asking questions but I don't remember any evidence that Sarah came up in their conversation. I agree that killing the guy will probably/hopefully lead to Ellison asking some questions so it may not have been such a good idea. On the other hand, we still don't know exactly what the T-1000 is up to and what role Ellison plays so who knows.
riley_dude
10-07-08, 03:29 PM
Didn't care for the kid subplot or all the Truck commericals every 10 minutes.
Hate the Toilet Terminator too. She is a horrible actress. She should stick to singing.
All and all a pretty good episode but anything is better than last weeks.
I read it was dead last in it's time period again last night.
abanytime
10-07-08, 03:58 PM
I just watched it on Hulu and it was also only Dodge commercials. Seems to me it was one of those "limited commercial interruptions brought to you by Dodge" type of episodes. 1 hour TV shows are 44 minutes and change, rest being commercials. This episode ran 52 minutes. Dodge pays more to be the only commercials and they can make more money on less commercial time.
Yep, it was a promotional thing with Dodge. They said it before the show started, and of course the same model Dodge truck was featured throughout the show.
General Zod
10-07-08, 05:39 PM
A much better episode in my opinion. The kidnapped kid watching his parents crying and begging for him to contact them and then wandering away for a few and then complaining about a book report he had to write was just mind boggling stupid.
I'd like to tip my hat to Dodge. The number of commercials was actually less than other weeks and they kept it to single 60 second spots.
I still don't understand why terminators walk slowly towards their targets until the target runs.. then they run. You'd think they'd go full speed once they recognize their target.
Overall though this was better.
Giantrobo
10-07-08, 05:44 PM
Didn't care for the kid subplot or all the Truck commericals every 10 minutes.
Hate the Toilet Terminator too. She is a horrible actress. She should stick to singing.
All and all a pretty good episode but anything is better than last weeks.
I read it was dead last in it's time period again last night.
But but but this is character developmeeeeeent. It may not be the best, but it's there. They're just trying to show a more human side of Sarah. It's hard to be Sarah Mom, Sarah Warrior, Sarah Protector, but she's tryin'. Just like "Emo" John is tryin' to cope with all this shit in his life. Shit, if they had nothing "BOOM, Monster, BOOM" each week then you guys would be bitching about no development of the characters. :lol:
Great ep. :up:
As far as Toilet Terminator, I'm totally obsessing over what the fuck her role is. I mean we know she's trying to get the plant online, but her interest in the other Terminator occurrences is truly mind boggling. Again I'll ask, is she a rogue Terminator? Does this mean there's a triangle with the Conners, Terminators, and Toilet Bot?
That Beddell cat was cool, I think it'd be nice to see him in more eps...assuming the haters don't leave in droves and get this show canceled.
I also think an alternative reality where John goes APE SHIT CRAZY from knowing all this future shit would be interesting. I mean come on, knowing who's gonna die and when has got fuck with a guy's brain at some point.
DJariya
10-07-08, 06:00 PM
This week's episode actually gained 280K viewers (5.6M total) and nearly overtook Chuck (5.89M) for 3rd place. I guess that's a good sign.
LickTheABCs
10-07-08, 06:39 PM
Hate the Toilet Terminator too. She is a horrible actress. She should stick to singing.
All and all a pretty go
No, she shouldn't. She's horrible at that, too.
Jeremy517
10-07-08, 06:56 PM
Hate the Toilet Terminator too. She is a horrible actress. She should stick to singing.
Unfortunately, we'll probably never see another Garbage album no matter how short her stint on the show is.
Original Desmond
10-07-08, 07:26 PM
This week's episode actually gained 280K viewers (5.6M total) and nearly overtook Chuck (5.89M) for 3rd place. I guess that's a good sign.
This show and Chuck surely are vying for pretty much the same audience. Both are action based sci fi shows with a hot babe as one of the main characters
snoogins
10-07-08, 07:37 PM
Good show and all. But here is a nitpick.
Since when can you find a young boy and a Military school cadet in a phone book? It was one of those :wtf: moments for me.
I was entertained nonetheless. Like the preview for next week.
mikehunt
10-07-08, 07:51 PM
nice Barrett 82A1 action
tanman
10-07-08, 10:12 PM
But but but this is character developmeeeeeent. It may not be the best, but it's there. They're just trying to show a more human side of Sarah. It's hard to be Sarah Mom, Sarah Warrior, Sarah Protector, but she's tryin'. Just like "Emo" John is tryin' to cope with all this shit in his life. Shit, if they had nothing "BOOM, Monster, BOOM" each week then you guys would be bitching about no development of the characters. :lol:
Great ep. :up:
I totally agree. I generally don't like softy Sarah or Emo John but honestly they were such one dimensional characters in the movies and it worked because they were only 2 hour movies. I'm not sure if they are doing the best thing for character development but I think they convey their struggle with preventing the future and trying to be decent humans and living with their choices in the present.
DJariya
10-08-08, 02:43 AM
Really good episode. There was some good action and I liked the storyline involving Bedell and his impact on the future.
It was also really cool that this episode had very limited commercials like Fringe. The product placement wasn't even annoying it all with the truck.
Nice to see Jonathan Jackson again as Kyle. I mentioned last season when he was on the show that he actually somewhat resembles a younger Michael Biehn.
I have to agree that Shirley Manson is such an eye sore.
N2DVD
10-08-08, 07:21 AM
The other thing motivating Sarah is the fact of her impending death by cancer. She has spent John's entire life in survival mode that she has missed the whole "be a regular mom" experience. I personally think in this episode, she was "slowing down" to smell the roses, so to speak. My wife and I appreciated it.
As far as the kid panicking about his book report... The kid realizes that a robot tried to kill him, he knows if he goes back to his parents before Cameron has taken care of it, they will remain in danger, so he focuses on the one thing he has a little control over - his fourth grade book report. I didn't think that was too far off, as a former fourth grade teacher.
rfduncan
10-08-08, 09:29 AM
I only have a few minor complaints. Once again, T2 Sarah would kick this Sarah's ass. THAT Sarah wouldn't give two shits about the other potential targets. Also, wouldn't the Terminator have already killed the kid's parents and waited for contact, a la EVERY OTHER TERMINATOR we've seen?
But did Sarah ever figure out that she was protecting the wrong Bedell until almost the end? Why would the Terminator kill the parents? What is the honey there to attract the kid back home if they're dead?
Question: Bad sign that the only commercials were from Dodge? Think the show knows it's run is almost over and had to squeeze a season's-worth of Dodge ads?
I just watched it on Hulu and it was also only Dodge commercials. Seems to me it was one of those "limited commercial interruptions brought to you by Dodge" type of episodes. 1 hour TV shows are 44 minutes and change, rest being commercials. This episode ran 52 minutes. Dodge pays more to be the only commercials and they can make more money on less commercial time.
Ding, ding, ding! The commerical breaks were extremely shorter than normal commericals. FOX also didn't have to worry about multiple slots since one advertiser filled every break - which allows them to show longer episodes. Seems like a good idea to me if it works here and on Fringe. Frankly I like Fringe where they tell you how many seconds (for the TiVo 30 second skip!).
Hate the Toilet Terminator too. She is a horrible actress. She should stick to singing.
Yeah. Shirley Manson's pretty awful. Too bad they can't just morph her into a representation that is a better actress and dump her.
GoVegan
10-08-08, 09:38 AM
But did Sarah ever figure out that she was protecting the wrong Bedell until almost the end? Why would the Terminator kill the parents? What is the honey there to attract the kid back home if they're dead?To answer the first question, she knew the whole time that it was the wrong Bedell. I think the questioning about how many Sarah Connors got killed because of her made her want to protect the other Bedell.
All of the targetting of people in the past makes me think "Why do all these resistance fighters use their real names in the future? Once Judgement Day hit, everyone should take on an assumed name.
Timber
10-08-08, 09:40 AM
But did Sarah ever figure out that she was protecting the wrong Bedell until almost the end? Why would the Terminator kill the parents? What is the honey there to attract the kid back home if they're dead?
They knew even before they went to pick up the kid that it wasn't him. John figured out from the scribbles on the wall that the one they were looking for was at the military academy.
Giantrobo
10-08-08, 09:44 AM
Plus, Cameron said the Terminators are thorough and that it would go after <i>all</i> Bedells; and she would've done the same if it was her mission.
Sticky Bomb
10-09-08, 11:48 AM
I thought it was a great episode. I think derrick reese in a great idea for a character. two questions:
When derrick says we all die for you, does that mean they would or they actually did?
Do you think the producers of the show know the plot of the new terminator movie and are they trying to stay consistent with story, unlike Terminator 4?
Giantrobo
10-09-08, 01:04 PM
I took it to mean that John inspires that kind of loyalty in people but I could be wrong.
mytzplyx
10-09-08, 08:06 PM
Nice.
Did anyone else catch the reference to Baum? At the military academy, both Derek and John's names were "Baum", I'm assuming an homage to L. Frank Baum, the original author of the Wizard of Oz novels.
Spicollidriver1
10-09-08, 08:59 PM
Most people don't even know the Wizard of Oz is a book :)
mnementh
10-10-08, 02:52 AM
Most people don't even know the Wizard of Oz is a book :)
It's not but The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is.
DarthMarino
10-10-08, 07:35 AM
Nice.
Did anyone else catch the reference to Baum? At the military academy, both Derek and John's names were "Baum", I'm assuming an homage to L. Frank Baum, the original author of the Wizard of Oz novels.
That's been their fake last name since season one when John started at his new school.
chanster
10-10-08, 08:43 AM
I only have a few minor complaints. Once again, T2 Sarah would kick this Sarah's ass. THAT Sarah wouldn't give two shits about the other potential targets. Also, wouldn't the Terminator have already killed the kid's parents and waited for contact, a la EVERY OTHER TERMINATOR we've seen?
-Doc
I disagree. Its obvious that even the T2 Sarah softened during the course of the movie - she refused to kill Dyson - and there is no reason to think that she would revert back to completly psycho Sarah if time progressed.
The character has progressed even in the show - wondering if certain people should die/live and I believe they the writers are doing a good job of trying to show that she is trying to live life a bit..i.e. sitting with the pregnant neighbor for no reason except to comfort her.
Also, killing the other parents by the Terminator - the show made an explicit reference to the parents being accompanied by FBI agents..making it hard to dupe the kid into believing he was their parents...and furthermore there were 2 individuals - what do you think the point would be to kill TWO people and try to pretend the Terminator was both?
JuryDuty
10-10-08, 09:49 AM
Pretty good ep and glad to see previews for the next--it's not gone yet!
Didn't like the kid-plot but otherwise good stuff.
Bronkster
10-10-08, 11:05 AM
Nice.
Did anyone else catch the reference to Baum? At the military academy, both Derek and John's names were "Baum", I'm assuming an homage to L. Frank Baum, the original author of the Wizard of Oz novels.
I think the guy who wrote post 17 noticed. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a142/Bronkster/whistling.gif
ckw4b
10-10-08, 04:28 PM
According to the official T-SCC blog, Fox has given the go-ahead for 2 additional scripts to be written, i.e., episodes 14 and 15.
That's actually the 1st good news I've heard about this show in a long time. The ratings need to pick up though to guarantee the back 9.
riley_dude
10-10-08, 05:49 PM
That's actually the 1st good news I've heard about this show in a long time. The ratings need to pick up though to guarantee the back 9.
Better scripts would help with less of Pregnant woman and toilet Terminator who sucks the life out of every scene.
Giantrobo
10-10-08, 05:59 PM
Oh stop. Just give them time with the characters.
Joe Schmoe
10-11-08, 09:13 PM
How is Sarah paying for rent, food, etc.? How did she get the Dodge Ram? How did John and Derek come up with fake papers so they could get into the military school? Last season, they had to pay Enrique's nephew for fake ID's, etc., so how did they fake convincing school records on their own? Shouldn't the boy have been more upset about being kept from his parents, or more worried about his parents' lives after a robot tried to kill him? Wouldn't he have tried running away from Sarah, who was a stranger to him? Having him trust her was one thing, but having him rest his head on her lap was ridiculous!
SmithsGuy
10-11-08, 10:14 PM
nice Barrett 82A1 action
/agree
Giantrobo
10-11-08, 10:47 PM
How is Sarah paying for rent, food, etc.? How did she get the Dodge Ram? How did John and Derek come up with fake papers so they could get into the military school? Last season, they had to pay Enrique's nephew for fake ID's, etc., so how did they fake convincing school records on their own? Shouldn't the boy have been more upset about being kept from his parents, or more worried about his parents' lives after a robot tried to kill him? Wouldn't he have tried running away from Sarah, who was a stranger to him? Having him trust her was one thing, but having him rest his head on her lap was ridiculous!
I've always understood Sarah to have stashed Guns, Cash, fake ID's, and other "survival" related things.
I hear what you're sayin' about the boy but then again, it's not like Sarah and Cameron kidnapped him, beat him, then tied him up. He saw that she saved his life and she even said she was there to keep him safe.
Save Ferris
10-13-08, 08:59 PM
How is Sarah paying for rent, food, etc.? How did she get the Dodge Ram? How did John and Derek come up with fake papers so they could get into the military school? Last season, they had to pay Enrique's nephew for fake ID's, etc., so how did they fake convincing school records on their own? Shouldn't the boy have been more upset about being kept from his parents, or more worried about his parents' lives after a robot tried to kill him? Wouldn't he have tried running away from Sarah, who was a stranger to him? Having him trust her was one thing, but having him rest his head on her lap was ridiculous!
They had a few hundred thousand dollars worth of diamonds from the last season.
Any episode this week?
lisadoris
10-13-08, 10:18 PM
Any episode this week?
No new episode this week - baseball. According to the DVR the show's back next week.
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