Here's some news that's going to thrill a whole bunch of you Blu-bies. Warner has revealed, in a promotional insert packed with the new Poltergeist Blu-ray Disc, that it's currently working on a Blu-ray version of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring! No s--t! Not ONLY that, but the same insert lists The Wizard of Oz, Being There, Gone with the Wind, King Kong, Woodstock, Rush Hour, The Notebook and Amadeus all as coming soon to Blu-ray! How do you like THEM apples? What's more, our industry sources tell us that ALL THREE Lord of the Rings films are planned for release in Blu in 2009, though we're not yet certain if the discs will be the theatrical editions, the extended editions or both. Still, if that isn't enough reason for some of you holdouts to run out and pick up a player this holiday season, I don't know what is. Here's a look at the actual insert (not that the image links to the official Warner Blu-ray website)...
clckworang
10-03-08, 05:38 PM
Knowing that all 3 of the LOTR films will be getting released next year has convinced me to wait for the inevitable complete boxset. So this is a big PASS ... for now. ;)
Drexl
10-03-08, 05:40 PM
Since they are Peter Jackson's preferred versions, I think the theatrical versions will be available somehow. Of course, the extended editions are great, and many are hoping they will be available too, preferably at the same time. I would like to have both myself.
I am hoping for seamless branching, and it's a possibility since they did the work for them on the last DVDs. (Not that it can technically just be ported over, but at least they have the "blueprint" so to speak.)
Josh-da-man
10-03-08, 05:53 PM
Awesome news.
mike2
10-03-08, 06:02 PM
I thought you were throwing up the insert??
Suprmallet
10-03-08, 06:04 PM
Great! Now I can place those films next to the HD DVD of the Shawshank Redemption that came in out in 2006...oh wait a minute...
GizmoDVD
10-03-08, 06:58 PM
Great! Now I can place those films next to the HD DVD of the Shawshank Redemption that came in out in 2006...oh wait a minute...
Or Saturday Night Fever from Paramount :(
Walker Boh
10-03-08, 07:08 PM
I thought you were throwing up the insert??OP was quoting digitalbits.com:
WTF there is going to be an "ULTIMATE COLLECTION" of Austin Powers now too?
droidguy1119
10-03-08, 07:43 PM
WTF there is going to be an "ULTIMATE COLLECTION" of Austin Powers now too?It's just a standard box with the three movies in it.
GenPion
10-03-08, 07:59 PM
As long as they release all three with both versions included, I'm game. Even though I prefer the Theatrical Cuts I want both versions to be on there. Depending on my mood sometimes I do prefer the other cuts.
dsa_shea
10-03-08, 08:01 PM
It's just a standard box with the three movies in it.
Supposedly there will be some new special features for each movie. I pre-ordered it and I'm looking forward to seeing AP's hotties in HD.
GenPion
10-03-08, 08:02 PM
Supposedly there will be some new special features for each movie. I pre-ordered it and I'm looking forward to seeing AP's hotties in HD.
That would be the main reason to get these films on Blu-ray, right? I can't think of any other reasons.
mike2
10-03-08, 08:31 PM
Or Saturday Night Fever from Paramount :(
Wow...2006 how time flies...that ticked me off I was looking forward to SNF.
SUPERMANROB
10-03-08, 08:46 PM
That would be the main reason to get these films on Blu-ray, right? I can't think of any other reasons.
Well not for me,if they are in DTS-HD/MA I am in!!!!!! IF the transfer is as good as the ones that are out now then you do them in MA..... I AM SO IN!.......I haven't gone BD yet but the only Movie(s) that would really make me get one would be the Lord of The Rings Trilogy!.......!!!:D or a stand alone that bit streams MA for around $200 or under :)
DVD Polizei
10-03-08, 09:44 PM
We'll probably have branched theatrical and extended cuts.
But hold on fellers, these will be on more than one Blu-ray disc. :eek:
RyoHazuki
10-03-08, 10:02 PM
Supposedly there will be some new special features for each movie. I pre-ordered it and I'm looking forward to seeing AP's hotties in HD.
Sweet Jesus America how many special features did they film for this thing? It seems like every second of pre through post production was captured of film.
dsa_shea
10-03-08, 10:50 PM
Sweet Jesus America how many special features did they film for this thing? It seems like every second of pre through post production was captured of film.
My original post was in response to the talks about the Austin Powers trilogy set and not the LOTR set. I'm sure there will probably be something extra in there as well but I can't say that is fact.
Drexl
10-03-08, 11:34 PM
That would be the main reason to get these films on Blu-ray, right? I can't think of any other reasons.
Maybe having the films in HD would be a reason?
Besides, even if you think HD doesn't matter for comedies, I don't think the first Austin Powers movie was ever re-released on DVD. It's almost 11 years old now (the disc, that is) and it must be showing its age.
Edit: whoops, it's 11 years old.
Michael Corvin
10-04-08, 12:35 AM
In for the a box set, nothing prior.
davidh777
10-04-08, 10:06 AM
I can see it now... LOTR with DD5.1
GenPion
10-04-08, 10:34 AM
I can see it now... LOTR with DD5.1
Don't even joke. :)
RockStrongo
10-04-08, 10:36 AM
No extended = no sale.
ditto....ill stick with DVDs til an extended edition set.
applesandrice
10-04-08, 12:41 PM
Don't even joke. :)
But it'll have to be DD 5.1 so they can cram everything onto a BD25!!;)
RayChuang
10-04-08, 01:01 PM
I think we'll have the Extended Editions of all three movies on Blu-ray disc (two discs per movie) with either Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio 6.1 soundtracks. :up:
GizmoDVD
10-04-08, 01:25 PM
I think we'll have the Extended Editions of all three movies on Blu-ray disc (two discs per movie) with either Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio 6.1 soundtracks. :up:
In think we will get 2.0 Mono on them. Might as well shoot low with Warner, right?
Bluelitespecial
10-04-08, 11:43 PM
As long as the extended editions are included, I don't really care if any extras are included at all. I'll still be holding on to all of my LOTR dvds.
mzupeman2
10-04-08, 11:50 PM
Yeah, after seeing the extended editions, I can't go back to theatrical only, Blu-ray or not. I'm sure they will be extended though.
Suprmallet
10-05-08, 02:55 AM
Am I the only one who prefers the theatrical cuts of Fellowship and Return? The extended cuts of those ruin the pacing, imo.
On the other hand, the extended cut of The Two Towers takes the worst of the three films and makes it the best.
PopcornTreeCt
10-05-08, 04:11 AM
Am I the only one who prefers the theatrical cuts of Fellowship and Return? The extended cuts of those ruin the pacing, imo.
On the other hand, the extended cut of The Two Towers takes the worst of the three films and makes it the best.
I agree with you on the Two Towers. The Extended version makes it the best movie of the trilogy. Ideally, it would be nice to have both versions of each film.
bunkaroo
10-05-08, 11:18 AM
Extended or nothing for me. Of my many multiple viewings, I've only see the theatricals three times; twice in the theater and once on DVD before the Extended versions came out for each film.
I don't care if they have to split the movies across two BD50's if that's what it takes to have the extended versions with lossless and the best possible PQ.
GizmoDVD
10-05-08, 12:18 PM
I've actually never seen any of the LOTRs. So I'd prefer, like, any version I suppose :lol:
tiger_qc
10-05-08, 01:18 PM
I've actually never seen any of the LOTRs. So I'd prefer, like, any version I suppose :lol:
Are you serious?
If your waiting on the BD version at least rent them, these movies are just incredible.
GizmoDVD
10-05-08, 01:40 PM
Are you serious?
If your waiting on the BD version at least rent them, these movies are just incredible.
Yeah. I have the book DVD editions, but Randal's explanation in Clerks II sealed the deal for me not wanting to see these anytime soon.
fumanstan
10-05-08, 01:57 PM
I have the current book extended editions and i've only watched them once through and only watched part of the extras from Fellowship. I probably will pass on the Blu-ray unless they include both theatrical and extended at a decent price. I'm just not big enough of a fan of these movies to rewatch them often, although i've been meaning to.
Jay G.
10-05-08, 02:34 PM
Yeah. I have the book DVD editions, but Randal's explanation in Clerks II sealed the deal for me not wanting to see these anytime soon.
The Clerks II scene was mildly amusing, but more so because it was about two groups of fanboys arguing over which film trilogy gets their undying love and devotion rather than any good slams on LOTRs. Unless you're a movie character, it's possible to watch and enjoy both.
GizmoDVD
10-05-08, 02:57 PM
The Clerks II scene was mildly amusing, but more so because it was about two groups of fanboys arguing over which film trilogy gets their undying love and devotion rather than any good slams on LOTRs. Unless you're a movie character, it's possible to watch and enjoy both.
Yeah, I know its just a scene, but I have very little interest in the films. Ive seen enough bits and pieces to see its not my kind of movie. Sadly, I still have all 3 on DVD and since I like the cases so much I have yet to sell them. I'll probably watch them on Blu-ray...some day.
LickTheABCs
10-05-08, 03:04 PM
I might be in the minority, but I can care less if it's the Theatrical or Extended. Yeah, the Extended's are better films but at this point I'll take anything. Give me the entire film re-dubbed in Mandarin with the cast of "Brooke Knows Best" re-inacting all the scenes and I'm there. As long as it's in 1080p and has lossless audio.
I'll just buy the re-release later. Hell, I own all 3 versions of each film on DVD, why stop now?
bunkaroo
10-05-08, 03:08 PM
Bits and pieces really doesn't allow you to get into them IMO.
It's basically a huge 11 hour movie, and you have to invest yourself in it. I've found the best way to watch them at home is one per night, three nights in a row.
Bluelitespecial
10-05-08, 05:21 PM
Am I the only one who prefers the theatrical cuts of Fellowship and Return? The extended cuts of those ruin the pacing, imo.
On the other hand, the extended cut of The Two Towers takes the worst of the three films and makes it the best.
I loved the Fellowship EE, but I have only been able to watch The Return of the King EE once since it came out. Its just too damn long.
Bleddyn Williams
10-06-08, 09:18 AM
I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I'll be surprised if the films debut in anything other than the Theatrical cuts. I'll bet a lot of people who say they wouldn't buy the Theatrical would cave if it was the only game in Blu town.
Then after a decent interval, they'll sell us the extended. It worked for them on DVD, and it'll work for them again on Blu. Why sell us a movie once rather than twice?
But I'll be happy to be wrong! :)
Walker Boh
10-06-08, 09:39 AM
I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I'll be surprised if the films debut in anything other than the Theatrical cuts. I'll bet a lot of people who say they wouldn't buy the Theatrical would cave if it was the only game in Blu town.
Then after a decent interval, they'll sell us the extended. It worked for them on DVD, and it'll work for them again on Blu. Why sell us a movie once rather than twice?
But I'll be happy to be wrong! :)They were very up-front about their release plans re: theatrical and extended cuts on SD-DVD. I hope that continues through to the Blu-ray releases.
I'll wait for extended cuts.
rexinnih
10-06-08, 09:56 AM
I just hope that Warner will utilize the full extent of the technology for the LOTR trilogy. Both theatrical and extended with lossless audio. Throw in the already created, extensive amount of extras and we have a potential benchmark BD release.
Brian Shannon
10-06-08, 10:05 AM
They were very up-front about their release plans re: theatrical and extended cuts on SD-DVD. I hope that continues through to the Blu-ray releases.
I'll wait for extended cuts.
As will I.
There is no need to rush or double dip on anything.
Giles
10-06-08, 10:07 AM
I just hope that Warner will utilize the full extent of the technology for the LOTR trilogy. Both theatrical and extended with lossless audio. Throw in the already created, extensive amount of extras and we have a potential benchmark BD release.
but it wont be DTS-MA HD (damn you Warners, New Line merging into Warner permanently axed DTS) :sad:
WMAangel
10-06-08, 11:24 AM
I just hope that Warner will utilize the full extent of the technology for the LOTR trilogy. Both theatrical and extended with lossless audio. Throw in the already created, extensive amount of extras and we have a potential benchmark BD release.
Exactly....this is all I want....if Paramount can do this for the Godfather films, and Warner themselves already did this with the Matrix films, than Warner needs to step up to the plate again with this New Line property and deliver the goods....
Josh Z
10-06-08, 01:00 PM
but it wont be DTS-MA HD (damn you Warners, New Line merging into Warner permanently axed DTS) :sad:
There is absolutely no difference in quality between Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.
SUPERMANROB
10-06-08, 01:55 PM
There is absolutely no difference in quality between Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.
Really I thought MA was 7.1 and trueHD was 5.1(or maybe 6.1)? The only MA I have heard is Pan's Labyrinth and it's incredible! The TrueHD ones I have(I.E. Harry Potter series) don't sound as good. I am finding out that it comes down to the transfer of the movie that makes the biggest difference. Example Batman Begins,now that is a very nice transfer and almost rivals Pan's !
Drexl
10-06-08, 02:10 PM
Really I thought MA was 7.1 and trueHD was 5.1(or maybe 6.1)? The only MA I have heard is Pan's Labyrinth and it's incredible! The TrueHD ones I have(I.E. Harry Potter series) don't sound as good. I am finding out that it comes down to the transfer of the movie that makes the biggest difference. Example Batman Begins,now that is a very nice transfer and almost rivals Pan's !
The sound format doesn't dictate the number of channels, at least when it comes to the lossless formats. It just so happens that New Line and Lionsgate have been using DTS-HD MA (though with Lionsgate sometimes it's PCM) for their 7.1 titles. TrueHD is capable of 7.1, but I don't know of any such titles offhand. There are many 5.1 DTS-HD MA mixes too.
applesandrice
10-06-08, 02:15 PM
TrueHD is capable of 7.1, but I don't know of any such titles offhand.
"Nightmare Before Christmas"
Giles
10-06-08, 02:47 PM
Run Fatboy Run - states 7.1 without TrueHD or DTS for that matter, or is that a typo on the back?
RoboDad
10-06-08, 03:02 PM
Really I thought MA was 7.1 and trueHD was 5.1(or maybe 6.1)? The only MA I have heard is Pan's Labyrinth and it's incredible! The TrueHD ones I have(I.E. Harry Potter series) don't sound as good. I am finding out that it comes down to the transfer of the movie that makes the biggest difference. Example Batman Begins,now that is a very nice transfer and almost rivals Pan's !
And that is what probably led you to conclude that one is better than the other. The reality is that, aside from the specific mechanisms and data rates used for storing the compressed bits, DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD are functionally identical (at least with respect to the way they are used on Blu-ray discs). Given the same audio master as a source, both formats will produce the exact same uncompressed bitstream during playback.
There may be some difference in the way that metadata is supported and/or properly exploited by the formats, but I have never examined either in enough detail to know.
For anyone confused about what features TrueHD offers, here is a reasonably good explanation (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD.html) at Dolby's site. I couldn't find anything comparable at DTS for their format, but I know the information "is out there."
Drexl
10-06-08, 04:03 PM
"Nightmare Before Christmas"
Duh, and that's a recent release too. I haven't bought it yet though.
applesandrice
10-06-08, 04:30 PM
Duh, and that's a recent release too. I haven't bought it yet though.
Highly recommended. I really liked the Christopher Lee narrated original poem feature, in particular.
I seem to remember ol' P.J. himself talking about the eventual HDM releases of LOTR probably two years ago (around the time leading up to the "King Kong" HD DVD). It sounded then like they might have some really big plans for these releases. Staggering the releases seems an odd tactic, though; I'd think they'd release the trilogy in a boxset a la "The Matrix" and then maybe get 'round to individual releases (and/or re-releases) sometime later. Unlike with that trilogy, though, there's probably more chance that each of the LOTR films will still sell without having to be bundled all together. Same logic applies with "The Godfather", I'd imagine.
tiger_qc
10-06-08, 05:51 PM
Yeah. I have the book DVD editions, but Randal's explanation in Clerks II sealed the deal for me not wanting to see these anytime soon.
I admit it was extremely funny, but I still think those films are great epics.
I'll watch them over and over again, I just can't wait for Jackson to release it on Blu-Ray...
SUPERMANROB
10-06-08, 09:14 PM
And that is what probably led you to conclude that one is better than the other. The reality is that, aside from the specific mechanisms and data rates used for storing the compressed bits, DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD are functionally identical (at least with respect to the way they are used on Blu-ray discs). Given the same audio master as a source, both formats will produce the exact same uncompressed bitstream during playback.
There may be some difference in the way that metadata is supported and/or properly exploited by the formats, but I have never examined either in enough detail to know.
For anyone confused about what features TrueHD offers, here is a reasonably good explanation (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD.html) at Dolby's site. I couldn't find anything comparable at DTS for their format, but I know the information "is out there."
Cool thanks for the info. I still hope they put out LOTR trilogy in MA! I might buy it if it's in TrueHD but we will see :)
Josh Z
10-07-08, 11:42 AM
I still hope they put out LOTR trilogy in MA! I might buy it if it's in TrueHD but we will see :)
It's your money to do with as you please, so long as you realize that your logic makes absolutely no sense.
What you're saying is that you prefer the third 0101011010101111 over the second 0101011010101111, which doesn't seem nearly as good to you.
Yes you might be right be of what I've heard on my system it sounds better(IE: compared Batman Begins)........But I do kind agree with of some of it........ but I think alot has to do with the transfer.........for example IMO I am hard-pressed to find a movie tranfer better than LOTR Trilogy especially Fellowship of the Rings(in DTS of course :) ) also I think Titanic is a reference disc also....The audio and video transfer on these are excellent! Fellowship will rival any TrueHD I have :) ...only way to compare is if they come out with it in TrueHD or MA then I could compare :)......
Well for me there aren't many movies I would re-buy on BD especially at the prices they sell them for now!
I haven't even bought a BD player yet. There is no movie I have to see that bad to pay $299! for a player(stand alone for me). I am looking to try to take advantage of the Sony CC offer($150 off) and get the 350 for $150 :) That I can handle :)
To each their own.........I like the audio portion of these movies and would love to here LOTR in 7.1 :) (true 7.1)
Drexl
10-08-08, 02:57 PM
Batman Begins is not available with a DTS-HD MA track, so how would you do a comparison?
If you really want to compare, get Close Encounters, one of the few titles with both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA.
SUPERMANROB
10-08-08, 02:59 PM
Batman Begins is not available with a DTS-HD MA track, so how would you do a comparison?
If you really want to compare, get Close Encounters, one of the few titles with both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA.
no not in MA in TrueHD :) Do they Have it on HD DVD? or is it just on BD?
Drexl
10-08-08, 03:06 PM
no not in MA in TrueHD :) Do they Have it on HD DVD? or is it just on BD?
I thought you were saying that you had used Batman Begins to compare TrueHD to DTS-HD MA.
Close Encounters is BD only; it's from Sony.
Josh Z
10-08-08, 03:29 PM
Yes you might be right be of what I've heard on my system it sounds better(IE: compared Batman Begins)
You can't compare soundtracks of completely different movies and draw conclusions about the quality of their audio compression codecs.
TrueHD and DTS Master Audio are both lossless compression formats. Lossless = No loss. They're like ZIP files for audio. What you put in is exactly what you get out. If you ZIP a Word document and then unZIP it later, do you lose any letters or words in the process? Of course not. The data is lossessly compressed and then restored upon decoding.
Maybe you just don't like the Batman Begins audio mix. That tells you nothing about whether TrueHD is inferior or superior to DTS-HD Master Audio.
SUPERMANROB
10-08-08, 04:29 PM
You can't compare soundtracks of completely different movies and draw conclusions about the quality of their audio compression codecs.
TrueHD and DTS Master Audio are both lossless compression formats. Lossless = No loss. They're like ZIP files for audio. What you put in is exactly what you get out. If you ZIP a Word document and then unZIP it later, do you lose any letters or words in the process? Of course not. The data is lossessly compressed and then restored upon decoding.
Maybe you just don't like the Batman Begins audio mix. That tells you nothing about whether TrueHD is inferior or superior to DTS-HD Master Audio.
Yes I know I meant DD to TrueHD..........and the transfer on Batman Begins is good :) .............. I want to compare TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio to Regular DTS since people were saying all three were identical
Drexl
10-08-08, 04:42 PM
Well, any DTS-HD MA track has a DTS "core" which is full-bitrate (but lossy) DTS. However, it's selected automatically based on what the equipment supports, so you can't do a quick comparison using the audio button.
I guess you could connect both optical/coaxial and HDMI audio. That should allow you to swap between the core and the MA track.
Jay G.
10-09-08, 08:43 AM
I want to compare TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio to Regular DTS since people were saying all three were identical
DTS is not identical to TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. You may be thinking of PCM, which should be identical in output to TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, given the same mix.
It's highly unlikely any BD would ever have all three lossless audio formats. You can get a disc that has two of the three though. For example, the Close Encounters disc Drexl mentioned has both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. The newer Superman Returns BD has both TrueHD and PCM.
kefrank
10-09-08, 09:12 AM
It's highly unlikely any BD would ever have all three lossless audio formats.
The Hong Kong Blu-ray of Red Cliff has all three with 7.1 mixes and is playable on Region A players. Sounds perfect for the kind of comparison SUPERMANROB wants.
RoboDad
10-09-08, 12:34 PM
Yes you might be right... I do kind agree with of some of it...
This is what confuses me. This isn't a subjective debate where one can agree or disagree. It is simple fact. You can, of course, choose to accept or not accept the facts as presented, but that doesn't make them any less factual. You seem hung up on the fact that you heard a DTS-HD MA audio track that impressed you, and you are now convinced that what made it impressive is the audio codec used.
The logic used to arrive at that conclusion is faulty. The same audio track encoded with Dolby TrueHD would sound exactly the same as the DTS-HD MA version you heard. No difference. Similarly, any Dolby TrueHD audio track you may have heard that did NOT impress you would have been just as unimpressive had it been encoded with DTS-HD MA. Again, NO DIFFERENCE.
SUPERMANROB
10-09-08, 02:02 PM
This is what confuses me. This isn't a subjective debate where one can agree or disagree. It is simple fact. You can, of course, choose to accept or not accept the facts as presented, but that doesn't make them any less factual. You seem hung up on the fact that you heard a DTS-HD MA audio track that impressed you, and you are now convinced that what made it impressive is the audio codec used.
The logic used to arrive at that conclusion is faulty. The same audio track encoded with Dolby TrueHD would sound exactly the same as the DTS-HD MA version you heard. No difference. Similarly, any Dolby TrueHD audio track you may have heard that did NOT impress you would have been just as unimpressive had it been encoded with DTS-HD MA. Again, NO DIFFERENCE.
So are you saying all movies are transfered to the same quality and there is no difference in sound quality from one movie to the other?
Bob330i
10-09-08, 02:12 PM
So are you saying all movies are transfered to the same quality and there is no difference in sound quality from one movie to the other?
I don't think so. I believe what Robodad trying to say is given the same master source, if you encode it in TrueHD and DTS MA, it should be identical. If not, then I'm sure Robodad will be by to clarify.
kefrank
10-09-08, 04:01 PM
So are you saying all movies are transfered to the same quality and there is no difference in sound quality from one movie to the other?
He's saying the audio track for a given movie will have the exact same quality, whether encoded with TrueHD, DTS-HD MA or PCM, if sourced from the same master.
The audio quality of two different movies will of course vary, but it is dependent on the quality of the audio mix itself (which is in the master), not on which lossless format is used for encoding.
RoboDad
10-09-08, 07:26 PM
He's saying the audio track for a given movie will have the exact same quality, whether encoded with TrueHD, DTS-HD MA or PCM, if sourced from the same master.
The audio quality of two different movies will of course vary, but it is dependent on the quality of the audio mix itself (which is in the master), not on which lossless format is used for encoding.
Exactly. When dealing with TrueHD, DTS-HD MA and PCM, aside from their physical footprints on the disc, and the processing necessary to extract/decode them, they are all identical. I don't know how many ways it can be said. DTS-HD MA is no better (or worse) at representing any particular audio track than TrueHD or PCM, in any way imaginable.
SUPERMANROB
10-09-08, 10:45 PM
Exactly. When dealing with TrueHD, DTS-HD MA and PCM, aside from their physical footprints on the disc, and the processing necessary to extract/decode them, they are all identical. I don't know how many ways it can be said. DTS-HD MA is no better (or worse) at representing any particular audio track than TrueHD or PCM, in any way imaginable.
Ok I think I got it now :)..........Ok one thing I want to clarify and the whole reason this all got started is? :) ........... Could (or will) there be a difference in sound quality between the DTS version of the LOTR trilogy I have now and IF they come out with a TrueHD or DTS-HD/MA version on BD?
Drexl
10-09-08, 11:01 PM
Ok I think I got it now :)..........Ok one thing I want to clarify and the whole reason this all got started is? :) ........... Could (or will) there be a difference in sound quality between the DTS version of the LOTR trilogy I have now and IF they come out with a TrueHD or DTS-HD/MA version on BD?
Yes, DTS (without "-HD MA" attached) is a lossy format, even in its "full"-bitrate form. Personally, I think DTS should have made this more clear in the naming. There's actually a "DTS-HD" (no MA) that is yet another lossy format, but better than "standard" DTS.
SUPERMANROB
10-11-08, 11:42 AM
guys thanks for the clarification
Mister Peepers
11-12-08, 11:59 AM
I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I'll be surprised if the films debut in anything other than the Theatrical cuts. I'll bet a lot of people who say they wouldn't buy the Theatrical would cave if it was the only game in Blu town.
Then after a decent interval, they'll sell us the extended. It worked for them on DVD, and it'll work for them again on Blu. Why sell us a movie once rather than twice?
But I'll be happy to be wrong! :)
You probably aren't wrong
Finally, our industry sources have hinted to us that when Warner delivers The Lord of the Rings films on Blu-ray Disc, some time late next year, they will very likely be the original theatrical versions. But don't freak out and run off to start a petition or something. There's good reason for it: Word is that director Peter Jackson wants to save the Extended Editions for an elaborate and ultimate Blu-ray box set release closer to the debut of the new Hobbit films in theatres. This way, as was the case with the previous DVD releases, you'll eventually get both versions and the best will be saved for last.
Michael Corvin
11-12-08, 12:23 PM
I'll netflix the theatrical BDs and hold out for the eventual EE box set.
aintnosin
11-12-08, 12:31 PM
I'll netflix the theatrical BDs and hold out for the eventual EE box set.
Sounds like a good plan to me, too.
Doctorossi
11-12-08, 01:18 PM
Yeah- wake me when the EEs are announced.
Giles
11-12-08, 01:38 PM
Yeah- wake me when the EEs are announced.
in the year 2011... long sleep, eh?
bunkaroo
11-12-08, 01:46 PM
I won't even rent them. There's just no point for me anymore. The EE's are the films I love, and it would be too jarring to see the films with all that stuff cut. I haven't watched the TE's since they all came out on DVD before each respective EE.
Doctorossi
11-12-08, 01:51 PM
in the year 2011... long sleep, eh?
It's cool- I have better movies to watch in the meantime.
I doubt it'll take that long, though. My money's on Q4, 2010.
Doctorossi
11-12-08, 01:52 PM
I won't even rent them. There's just no point for me anymore. The EE's are the films I love, and it would be too jarring to see the films with all that stuff cut. I haven't watched the TE's since they all came out on DVD before each respective EE.
I feel the same- and I haven't watched the TE's since the theatrical first-run.
JayDerek
11-12-08, 01:52 PM
I'll netflix the theatrical BDs and hold out for the eventual EE box set.
same here.
TylerDurden_73
11-12-08, 04:36 PM
Blu-Ray.com is reporting
Our good friend Bill Hunt is at it again, and today he has more information regarding the upcoming release of the 'Lord of the Rings' films. This bad news is that when Warner delivers the films sometime late next year, they will be of the theatrical versions of the films. The good news is that this decision was made because director Peter Jackson wants to save the extended versions for a super Blu-ray boxset to be released near the theatrical release of 'The Hobbit'.
With the original extended cut box sets being of the utmost quality, I have high hopes that Jackson will once again produce a magnificent Blu-ray box set for the extended cuts of the film. Until then (which will be about two years if 'The Hobbit' stays on schedule, enjoy the theatricals cuts on Blu-ray sometime next year.
applesandrice
11-12-08, 04:42 PM
ECHO . . . ECho . . . Echo . . . echo . . .
:)
GreenMonkey
11-12-08, 05:02 PM
I won't even rent them. There's just no point for me anymore. The EE's are the films I love, and it would be too jarring to see the films with all that stuff cut. I haven't watched the TE's since they all came out on DVD before each respective EE.
Ditto
HD is nice, but I'd prefer the DVD EEs over a shiny blu-ray Theatricals. Humbug!!!
Suprmallet
11-12-08, 05:56 PM
Am I alone in preferring the theatrical cuts of Fellowship and Return? I'll buy all three theatricals and all three extended cuts when they come out on Blu-ray. It's Lord of the Rings.
Matt Millheiser
11-12-08, 06:04 PM
Yes you might be right be of what I've heard on my system it sounds better(IE: compared Batman Begins)........But I do kind agree with of some of it........ but I think alot has to do with the transfer.........for example IMO I am hard-pressed to find a movie tranfer better than LOTR Trilogy especially Fellowship of the Rings(in DTS of course :) ) also I think Titanic is a reference disc also....The audio and video transfer on these are excellent! Fellowship will rival any TrueHD I have :) ...only way to compare is if they come out with it in TrueHD or MA then I could compare :)......
Well for me there aren't many movies I would re-buy on BD especially at the prices they sell them for now!
I haven't even bought a BD player yet. There is no movie I have to see that bad to pay $299! for a player(stand alone for me). I am looking to try to take advantage of the Sony CC offer($150 off) and get the 350 for $150 :) That I can handle :)
To each their own.........I like the audio portion of these movies and would love to here LOTR in 7.1 :) (true 7.1)
You realize, smilies are optional, yes?
aintnosin
11-12-08, 07:12 PM
You realize, smilies are optional, yes?
Now :) he :) tells :) me.
mzupeman2
11-12-08, 08:46 PM
I hope nobody in here complains. We got the theatricals well in advance on DVD before the extendeds, but it was cool they let us know what was coming. Now again, they are letting us know the extendeds are coming eventually... so make your choice, and nobody can complain later on that they had no idea the extended cuts were going to eventually come.
I'm disappointed I can't get them off the bat but, at least this information is up front here and now.
Mister Peepers
11-12-08, 09:44 PM
Why not have both on the same disc or set?
There I go with my crazy ideas again.
Drexl
11-12-08, 10:01 PM
I hope nobody in here complains. We got the theatricals well in advance on DVD before the extendeds, but it was cool they let us know what was coming. Now again, they are letting us know the extendeds are coming eventually... so make your choice, and nobody can complain later on that they had no idea the extended cuts were going to eventually come.
I'm disappointed I can't get them off the bat but, at least this information is up front here and now.
True, but I think the rationale there was that it took time to get the EEs and their supplements put together. Now, they should be ready to go.
Matt Millheiser
11-12-08, 10:47 PM
I hope nobody in here complains.
:lol:rotfl:lol:rotfl:lol:
bunkaroo
11-12-08, 10:49 PM
I hope nobody in here complains. We got the theatricals well in advance on DVD before the extendeds, but it was cool they let us know what was coming. Now again, they are letting us know the extendeds are coming eventually... so make your choice, and nobody can complain later on that they had no idea the extended cuts were going to eventually come.
I'm disappointed I can't get them off the bat but, at least this information is up front here and now.
Oh I would never complain about how the DVD's and this go down. I'm just disappointed. It was different with the DVD's - all we knew when each TE came out on DVD was that cut. Now we know what we are missing.
Also, I wouldn't say three months (seven for ROTK) was well in advance - just my opinion.
FOTR and TTT TE's came out in late August, followed by their respective EE's in November of the same year. ROTK TE came out in May but the EE wasn't until December. We're talking about a much longer wait until the Blu EE's.
applesandrice
11-13-08, 12:04 AM
Let's not forget they were also able to release seamless branching versions with the theatrical and extended versions, also.
Infrared Sight
11-13-08, 02:39 AM
At least they are coming. I will not buy the theatricals because I love the EE so much. Maybe a rent to see the quality and such for the anticipation for the EE.
MoviePage
11-13-08, 10:14 AM
Am I alone in preferring the theatrical cuts of Fellowship and Return? I'll buy all three theatricals and all three extended cuts when they come out on Blu-ray. It's Lord of the Rings.
No. Same here.
Giles
11-13-08, 10:48 AM
given the long wait, by the time of the EE's making their hidef releases, who knows maybe the next generation of 4K players/monitor's will be out by then.
The Bus
11-13-08, 10:58 AM
:lol: You people saying you will be "holding" out will be the first ones to jump on when Amazon sells all three of them for $50.
bunkaroo
11-13-08, 11:41 AM
:lol: You people saying you will be "holding" out will be the first ones to jump on when Amazon sells all three of them for $50.
Care to make it interesting? :)
EDIT: I will say this - if there are new extras, especially in HD, that will be exclusive to these releases, I will buy them just for that. These are some of the few films I will buy for extras.
bunkaroo
11-13-08, 11:43 AM
I don't see how anyone can accept that Saruman's fate is never addressed in the ROTK TE. That was the biggest mistake they made with any of the TE's. If he had been included in the TE I'd find it much more palatable.
IMO, the FOTR EE gives more of a sense of a "journey" to the hobbits' trek to Rivendell. In the TE it just seems like <zip>, they're there.
candyrocket786
11-13-08, 11:57 AM
:lol: You people saying you will be "holding" out will be the first ones to jump on when Amazon sells all three of them for $50.
I'll wait for the Gold Box deal.
RockStrongo
11-13-08, 07:07 PM
IMO, the FOTR EE gives more of a sense of a "journey" to the hobbits' trek to Rivendell. In the TE it just seems like <zip>, they're there.
Agreed....thats why Ill stick with my EE DVDs until they release them on BD.
WMAangel
11-13-08, 08:04 PM
I'm actually glad to hear that this initial release will only be the theatrical cuts....that makes them so much easier for me to turn down!
I will wait for the extended editions.....as a couple others have stated, I would rather watch the extended cuts upconverted on DVD than the theatricals in HD!
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