VP Debate Thread (take 2)

[Venusian]

Since the debate is tonight, let's start up a thread on it. Hopefully it can stay on topic.

[Groucho]

Who am I? Why am I here?

[Venusian]

someone posted that before, i dont get it :(

[Groucho]

It's the second greatest line ever uttered in a VP debate. Sort of represents the fact that these debates are typically far more entertaining than the main event.

[parrotheads4]

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj318/parrotheads4/Debate.jpg?t=1222948166

[toddly6666]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45031000/jpg/_45031435_finger2_ap226.jpg

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children.

[nemein]

someone posted that before, i dont get it :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale

Perot eventually re-entered the race in the fall of 1992, with Stockdale still in place as the vice-presidential nominee. Stockdale was not informed that he would be participating in the October 13 vice-presidential debate held in Atlanta, Georgia, until a week before the event. He had no formal preparation for the debate, unlike his opponents Al Gore and Dan Quayle. Stockdale infamously opened the debate by saying, "Who am I? Why am I here?" Initially, the rhetorical questions drew applause from the audience, [4] seeming to be a good-natured acknowledgment of his relatively unknown status and lack of traditional qualifications. However, his unfocused style for the rest of the debate (including asking the moderator to repeat one question because he didn't have his hearing aid turned on) made him appear confused and almost disoriented. An unflattering recreation of the moment on Saturday Night Live later that week, with Phil Hartman as Stockdale, cemented a public perception of Stockdale as slow-witted. He was also often parodied for his constant use of the word "gridlock" to describe slow governmental policy.

Kind of a shame that that's probably what he's mostly going to be remembered for since he seems to have been a pretty remarkable man.

[Venusian]

Did you just call her a pig??? ;)

[Venusian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale


i remember the hearing aid part but not the quote. i was 12 though so i guess that's understandable

[D.Pham00]

All eyes on Palin in VP debate

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent 12 minutes ago

ST. LOUIS (Reuters) - Republican Sarah Palin and Democrat Joe Biden share the same stage in a vice presidential debate on Thursday, but the spotlight will be on the untested Palin as she tries to ease doubts about whether she is up to the job.
\The lone match-up of the vice presidential contenders before the November 4 election promises more than the usual drama, most of it supplied by Palin's debut in an unscripted format.

The encounter could draw a larger television audience than the 52 million who watched last week's first debate between the presidential candidates -- Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama.

McCain's surprise choice in August of the relatively unknown Palin as his No. 2 rallied conservative support for the Republican ticket and turned the moose-hunting Alaska governor into a political celebrity.

But her lack of national experience and her hesitant performance in rare media interviews have raised doubts about her readiness and prompted criticism even from some prominent conservatives.

Palin hopes a solid debate performance can halt Obama's momentum and erase doubts about her ability to step into the top job if needed. McCain, 72, would be the oldest president to begin a first term.

In a Washington Post/ABC News poll released on Thursday, 60 percent of the voters surveyed said Palin did not have the experience to be president, up from 45 percent in a similar survey a month ago.

"I look forward to tomorrow night, getting to speak to Americans about the very, very, clear choice that they will have on November 4th," Palin told conservative talk show host Sean Hannity on his radio program.

McCain lashed out in a testy interview with the Des Moines Register editorial board in Iowa on Tuesday when asked about conservative qualms about Palin.

"I haven't detected that, haven't detected that in the polls, haven't detected that among the base," he said, wishing "good luck" to any "Georgetown cocktail party person who calls himself a conservative and doesn't like Palin."

Biden, 65, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, faces his own set of challenges as he tries to rein in his tendency to make mistakes and talk too much. He will have to tread carefully in challenging Palin without appearing condescending or aggressive.

OBAMA GAINS GROUND

The encounter follows last week's first presidential debate between Obama and McCain. Opinion polls judged Obama the winner, and the Illinois senator has since solidified his lead in national polls and gained ground on McCain in some crucial battleground states.

A flurry of new surveys showed Obama with significant leads in traditional battlegrounds like Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio, and building a solid edge in states like Virginia and Nevada where Democratic presidential contenders rarely do well.

Obama has picked up steam during the crisis on Wall Street over the last two weeks, with polls showing voters preferring his economic leadership. Obama and McCain, an Arizona senator, voted for the $700 billion financial bailout in the Senate on Wednesday.

The television audience for the vice presidential debate on the campus of Washington University in St. Louis could surpass the 52 million who watched the debate between McCain and Obama last week and it could become the most watched vice presidential debate ever.

The previous record was the nearly 57 million who watched the 1984 debate between then-Vice President George H.W. Bush, the current president's father, and Geraldine Ferraro, the first woman vice presidential nominee for a major party.

Palin and Biden have spent several days off the campaign trail to prepare. Palin has been at McCain's Arizona retreat and Biden at home in Delaware.

Both camps have tried to drive up expectations for their opponent.

"I've been hearing about his Senate speeches since I was in, like, second grade," Palin, 44, told CBS News in a sly reference to their differences in age. "I'm the new energy, the new face, the new ideas -- and he's got the experience."

Obama aides said they have studied her debates during her 2006 campaign for governor of Alaska.

"Anyone who has watched any of her earlier debates would agree she is a skilled debater," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said.

(Additional reporting by JoAnne Allen; editing by Mohammad Zargham)



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081002/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_7

[D.Pham00]

Did you just call her a pig??? ;)

if the shoe fits...

[gmanca]

Best thing about the Stockdale quote was when Phil Hartman yelled it in a Ross Perot sketch.

[parrotheads4]

Did you just call her a pig??? ;)

Puppets

[Alyoshka]

I think the expectations have been lowered so much that just showing up will be enough for the pundants to proclaim a victory for Palin. My prediction is that it'll be pathetic at best.

[Red Dog]

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj318/parrotheads4/Debate.jpg?t=1222948166


rotfl

[D.Pham00]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45031000/jpg/_45031435_finger2_ap226.jpg

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children.

why not just use her actual quotes:

"As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co", July 2008

"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It’s Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

"I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council

[OldDude]

Well, lets summarize expectations:
*Democrats expect Joe to make her cry like a girl
*Conservative Republicans expect Sarah to rip out Joe's beating heart and consume it on stage.
*Moderate Republicans are a trifle nervous.

[Venusian]

Maybe she's a hustler and has thrown the interviews to lower expectations? ;)

[classicman2]

*Moderate Republicans are a trifle nervous.

Along with a number of Democrats who are hoping & praying that Joe isn't Joe tonight. ;)

[Groucho]

Do the candidates get the questions in advance for this one? If so, Palin will do fine. If not, she still won't be a complete disaster since I'm sure she'll be given canned responses on the most likely questions. The only problem will be is if she's thrown a curve ball (a question the campaign didn't see coming).

[Red Dog]

Along with a number of Democrats who are hoping & praying that Joe isn't Joe tonight. ;)

It's funny how none of the talking heads say that campaign should just 'let Joe be Joe' (in the debate or anywhere in the campaign). :lol:

[D.Pham00]

Maybe she's a hustler and has thrown the interviews to lower expectations? ;)

quite possible...

as i said before:

Perhaps she put on an act, in which case it'd be pure genius.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/politics-world-events/540522-palin-thread-part-3-5-vp-debate-thread-4.html#post8968342

[D.Pham00]

Along with a number of Democrats who are hoping & praying that Joe isn't Joe tonight. ;)

Yes, Joe has made errors as well, i've refererenced them several times previously.

[classicman2]

In his past Joe has done considerably more than just 'making errors.'

[D.Pham00]

In his past Joe has done considerably more than just 'making errors.'

is it more than the items that i have previously posted?

[Mordred]

Kind of a shame that that's probably what he's mostly going to be remembered for since he seems to have been a pretty remarkable man.Yeah, Stockdale was a true American hero. It's sad that very few people remember that today.

[Alyoshka]

In his past Joe has done considerably more than just 'making errors.'

Back when Palin was just in second grade?

[jdodd]

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent 12 minutes ago
Forget the debate, I think we need to find out why John Whitesides apparently lost his job 12 minutes ago. And what the fuck is he up to now?

[dork]

Forget the debate, I think we need to find out why John Whitesides apparently lost his job 12 minutes ago. And what the fuck is he up to now?
Hitting the tanning booth, if he knows what's good for him.

[mgbfan]

Someone was saying that Biden's best strategy would be to virtually ignore Palin. His main goal should be not to make any news whatsoever. The polls are going strongly Obama's way, and he just needs to stay off the radar.

As for Palin's strategy ... I guess it's try not to say anything too dumb. I'm guessing it'll be a heavy course of "we cannot blink," "I'm ready," and "shore up the economy."

[JasonF]

Yeah, Stockdale was a true American hero. It's sad that very few people remember that today.

I would imagine that Admiral Stockdale and Senator McCain knew each other quite well. I wonder what the two men thought of each other.

[classicman2]

I wonder what Ross Perot thinks about the candidates?

[General Zod]

Here's my cut-n-paste for future use for our Obama supporters:

Just pick one of these depending on the situation..

If Palin does poorly:

"By Palin completely screwing up the answers and saying all sorts of stupid stuff just goes to prove that she is the wrong person for VP and it further goes to illustrate that McCain is a complete idiot for picking her - thus, once again, showing that he is NOT the person you want as President at this important time."

If Biden does poorly:

"By Biden mis-speaking and accidentally fumbling over some words just goes to prove that he makes mistakes sometimes like everyone else but does nothing to damage the fact that Obama is a genius for picking him - thus, once again, showing that he is DEFINITELY the person you want as Preisdent in this important time."

I hope this helps make your night a little easier. :)

[Groucho]

McCain supporters can just flip those and do a cut and paste.

[Alyoshka]

I wonder what Ross Perot thinks about the candidates?

I think he's a little more upset about the economy (http://perotcharts.com/blog/) :lol:

[ctyankee]

Get Your

http://directorofrecruiting.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/13/popcorn.jpg

Ready.

It's going to be interesting.

[D.Pham00]

Forget the debate, I think we need to find out why John Whitesides apparently lost his job 12 minutes ago. And what the fuck is he up to now?

:lol: uh oh. what about all the other reporters?

[D.Pham00]

Get Your

http://directorofrecruiting.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/13/popcorn.jpg

Ready.

It's going to be interesting.

finally, something we agree on. ;)

[wendersfan]

Someone was saying that Biden's best strategy would be to virtually ignore Palin. His main goal should be not to make any news whatsoever. The polls are going strongly Obama's way, and he just needs to stay off the radar.

As for Palin's strategy ... I guess it's try not to say anything too dumb. I'm guessing it'll be a heavy course of "we cannot blink," "I'm ready," and "shore up the economy."It's all about job creation.

[CRM114]

I wonder what Ross Perot thinks about the candidates?

I don't.

Apparently Stockdale thinks very highly of John McCain.

[Groucho]

Apparently Stockdale thinks very highly of John McCain.Thought very highly, anyway.

[Nausicaa]

I'm more excited for this than any other televised event in recent memory. Even my stomach is rumbling with excitement, like when your team is about to play in the Super Bowl.

Wendersfan: That's true, but job creation ties into prosperity, which is really what it's all about. So thanks, but no thanks.

[Venusian]

What time is the debate?

Can someone promise me it will be more entertaining than the office?

[CRM114]

9:00 and no, it will not be more entertaining than The Office. But that's what Tivo is for. :)

[cungar]

9:00 and no, it will not be more entertaining than The Office. But that's what Tivo is for. :)

http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/img/product/resized/00022794-297735_400.jpg Vs http://crucialtaunt.com/politics/images/SarahPalin380tall.jpg

:confused:

[CRM114]

The Official* Vice Presidential Debate Drinking Game!
September 30, 2008 by slander08 <http://slander08.wordpress.com/author/slander08/>

Prepare yourself for this Thursday’s vice presidential debate by printing out the rules below for this year’s Vice Presidential Debate Drinking Game!

Without further delay, we bring you the rules.

For Sarah Palin:
Every time Palin mentions one of her kids by name, take the number of drinks corresponding to that child’s number in her brood (e.g. 1 drink for Track, 2 drinks for Bristol, 3 drinks for Willow, 4 drinks for Piper and 5 drinks for Trig). If she does not give a name, take 1 drink.

When Palin mentions 9/11 in a textually-relevant manner (e.g. “We need to prevent another attack like the one on 9/11″), take 1 drink. When Palin mentions 9/11 in a gratuitous, textually-irrelevant manner (e.g. “When my son Track was sent over to Iraq on 9/11…”), take 2 drinks.

If Palin uses the phrase, “hockey mom”, drink until she takes the self-satisfied smirk off her face.

For Joe Biden:
Every time Biden chuckles condescendingly at Sarah Palin, take 1 drink. Every time Biden chuckles condescendingly at moderator Gwen Ifill, take 2 drinks.

Every time Biden refers to himself in the third person, take 1 drink. If he uses his full name (e.g. “When people ask me, ‘Joe Biden, how did you become so good looking?’”), take 2 drinks.

If Biden points out that despite being less than 1/100th the size, Delaware has more people than Alaska , drink until you see the bottom of your glass.

If either candidate says:
Russia, take 1 drink. U.S.S.R., take 2 drinks. Swimming the Bering Straight, take 3 drinks.
Hillary Clinton, take 1 drink. Bill Clinton, take 2 drinks. Monica Lewinsky, take 3 drinks.
Dick Cheney, take 1 drink. Tricky Dick, take 2 drinks. Sucking dick, take 3 drinks.

Finally, if at any point Biden uses the phrase “I know Geraldine Ferraro; Geraldine Ferraro is a friend of mine. Governor, you’re no Geraldine Ferraro,” chug your beer, turn off your TV, and shoot yourself in the head.

Note: Slander ‘08 only condones drinking irresponsibly during election years when you need it most.

[Alyoshka]

What time is the debate?

Can someone promise me it will be more entertaining than the office?


Perhaps there will be more moments where you laugh out loud during the debate than during The Office, but I think those will be unintentional on the part of the candidates.

[sracer]

9:00 and no, it will not be more entertaining than The Office. But that's what Tivo is for. :)
Exactly. This debate will end up being a tremendous non-event. It'll be a letdown.... larger than the letdown when Hillary didn't stage a floor fight for the nomination at the convention.

[bhk]

Every time you think Biden said what he did because of hair-plug poisoning take a drink. It will be interesting to see how the media downplays Biden lies(perhaps about being shot at in his helicopter) as Joe being Joe.

[Alyoshka]

Every time you think Biden said what he did because of hair-plug poisoning take a drink. It will be interesting to see how the media downplays Biden lies(perhaps about being shot at in his helicopter) as Joe being Joe.

I think the more interesting thing will be to listen to the media downplay the ignorance of Palin because the moderator is "biased".

[OldDude]

What time is the debate?

Can someone promise me it will be more entertaining than the office?

9-11 PM EDT. It preempts other programming on all broadcast networks (well not CW and MyTV, but they're not "real" networks.)

[Venusian]

crap. i forgot about that. so the office aint on anyway :(

[The Bus]

Every time you think Biden said what he did because of hair-plug poisoning take a drink. It will be interesting to see how the media downplays Biden lies(perhaps about being shot at in his helicopter) as Joe being Joe.

What, no ridiculous nickname for him?

[The Bus]

<a href="http://www.palinbingo.com/"><img src="http://www.palinbingo.com/Palinbingo.jpg.jpg"></a>

[cungar]

Every time you think Biden said what he did because of hair-plug poisoning take a drink. It will be interesting to see how the media downplays Biden lies(perhaps about being shot at in his helicopter) as Joe being Joe.

My God your posts are infantile.

[Venusian]

What, no ridiculous nickname for him?

please don't encourage it

[ctyankee]

<a href="http://www.palinbingo.com/"><img src="http://www.palinbingo.com/Palinbingo.jpg.jpg"></a>

Funny.

Joe Biden is coming over my house to watch the next presidential debate. We're going to down shots of whiskey every time Obama says:

"Look" (it only counts if he uses it at a beginning of a sentence)

or

"Change" (it only counts if he uses it at the end of a sentence)

or

"the failed policies of this administration"

After that we're going to video tape ourselves singing and we're going to post them on the Internet. :)

[bhk]

What, no ridiculous nickname for him?

Ch.ch..ch..Chia.

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/104936.jpg

[JasonF]

Oh, score!

Palin’s new plan: Go after Biden

Mike Allen
1 hour, 43 minutes ago



ST. LOUIS — Sarah Palin plans to go on the attack in tonight’s debate, hitting Joe Biden for what she will call his foreign policy blunders and penchant for adopting liberal positions on taxes and other issues, according to campaign officials involved in prepping her for tonight’s showdown.

The Palin camp is projecting surprising self-confidence in the pre-debate hours, despite the vice presidential nominee’s uneven — and, at some points, peculiar — performances in recent television interviews, the officials say. Top advisers to John McCain privately say Palin’s recent CBS interview was a borderline disaster, especially since it played out in several segments over several days. Tonight will be different, they say.

“This is going to finally put her back into a position where we see her like we saw her the first couple weeks,” a McCain official said. “She was herself. She was authentic, and people related to that. ... Tonight, she’ll get into a rhythm. You’re going to see her in a way that you haven’t seen her yet.”

By contrast, Biden plans what an aide calls "a just-the-facts, prosecutorial approach laying out the case against McCain and defending Obama." The aide said Biden will be "keeping the eye on the target, which is McCain."

It is hard to imagine higher stakes for a vice presidential nominee on the national stage. Palin wowed even her biggest skeptics with her spirited introduction to the American people at the Republican National Convention last month. It’s been downhill since then, however. She has been largely sheltered from unscripted moments on the campaign trail. And, when she has exposed herself to improvisation or tough questioning, Palin has been criticized for offering vague and at times unusual responses.

Palin advisers say that she remains just as popular with much of the Republican base as she was a month ago when her convention speech was hailed as a home run. But her ratings have eroded in polls since then, and the advisers see the 90-minute debate at 9 p.m. Eastern as a chance for a swift turnaround from what they call “negativity” in her news coverage.

From her debate playbook, as described by McCain officials:

— Throw Biden’s own words back at him.

“There’s going to be a lot of opportunities to use Joe Biden’s words against him — and not his gaffes,” an official said. “When he says raising taxes is patriotic, that’s a policy position. That’s what he believes. She’s going to use those against him.”

(On ABC’s “Good Morning America” last month, in explaining the need for the wealthiest Americans to pay more taxes, Biden said: “It's time to be patriotic ... time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”)

— Highlight past Biden foreign-policy positions as a way to undermine his core strength.

“He’s a celebrated foreign policy expert, but he has been wrong … dating back to the Reagan administration,” the official said. “There are opportunities there for her to jump in.”

One example that was provided was Biden’s reference to North Korea as “a paper tiger” on CBS’s “The Early Show” in 2006. (“I would rather have seen it do exactly what it did, demonstrate to the whole world that it is in fact a paper tiger.”)

Another example noted by the campaign was voting for defense cuts during the Reagan administration, and voting against the first Gulf war in 1991. (PolitiFact.com points out that he voted with the majority of Senate Democrats on the resolution.)

— Highlight places where Biden and Barack Obama have differed, including primary-season statements about Obama’s readiness to lead and his positions on Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.

“He voted for the Iraq war, and Obama said that was poor judgment,” the official. “There are a lot of wedge positions between Obama and Biden.”

McCain officials say they are optimistic despite her falling credibility and likability in polls.

“Nobody who’s in the middle of a campaign takes a minute to panic,” an aide said. “Every single day, there’s an ebb and flow — that’s what makes these things exciting. She’s been there before. She’s done this before. She’s been successful. And we as a campaign expect she will rise to the occasion and be strong.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/14220

This is going to be legendary.

[Suprmallet]

And so it starts.

[DVD Polizei]

I kinda think Palin is going to just talk in general, about McCain being a wonderful leader, and avoiding Biden's attacks on McCain which have happened at least twice now.

[Baron Of Hell]

Palin is doing good so far.

[Suprmallet]

Hey, she just referred to Joe Six Pack. No more fullscreen DVDs in 08!

[Brent L]

Yep, say what you will about her, she's back in the form I've seen from her in her previous debates in Alaska, etc... If she can stay on this track, and maybe take a shot at Biden here and there later in the debate, then I'd say it would be a job well done.

[Suprmallet]

Wow, Biden is in full attack mode on McCain. I hate to see what will happen if he decides to attack Palin directly.

[chris_sc77]

Palin is like Marge Gunderson's evil twin from a parallel universe.

[DVD Polizei]

Yep, say what you will about her, she's back in the form I've seen from her in her previous debates in Alaska, etc... If she can stay on this track, and maybe take a shot at Biden here and there later in the debate, then I'd say it would be a job well done.

Back in form? Well, in the lower 48 we have different ideas of back in form. :D

Palin is running with the ball. Let's see how long she holds it in her arms.

[Dr Mabuse]

Those side by side shots appear to show Biden getting a bit pissed.

That will hurt him, he's known for it.

I've got to say I'm, well rather amazed, that Palin is doing well so far.

[Baron Of Hell]

Biden is throwing some blows.

[Suprmallet]

Palin looks a little flustered after that last Biden tirade. This is already getting good.

[Brent L]

This is a weird debate. To me, for Biden to win he needs to try his best to not be Joe Biden, and for Palin to win she needs to try her best to be Sarah Palin. :lol:

[Dr Mabuse]

This is far better television than that Presidential debate.

[Dr_Evil]

Palin hasn't really said anything thus far. Biden doing a nice job of attacking McCain.

[DVD Polizei]

Palin looks better from the back. But that's just my opinion.

[Dr Mabuse]

Oh she's touching on the 'patriotic taxes' thing.

Will Biden blow his top?

[CharlieK]

She's memorized everything.

[Suprmallet]

"Let the private sector (and our families) grow." Funny how she lumped those two together.

[GreenMonkey]

So if paying taxes isn't patriotic, does that mean that not paying taxes is patriotic? ;)

[Suprmallet]

So if paying taxes isn't patriotic, does that mean that not paying taxes is patriotic? ;)

Time for an Alaskan Tea Party! :)

[Brent L]

Oh she's touching on the 'patriotic taxes' thing.

Will Biden blow his top?

To make this debate even more entertaining, they should keep a Biden Blow-Up Meter on the screen at all times.

[Suprmallet]

Wow! "I call that the ultimate bridge to nowhere." *Angry glare*

How long before he tries to slap her across the face? :lol:

[DVD Polizei]

Biden on 5K Tax Credit for healthcare. The Ultimate Bridge to Nowhere. Made me chuckle.

[twikoff]

Did anyone notice the analyst score cards on CNN? Palin had +1 before she ever answered a question.

Corrie

[Mordred]

Biden swinging pretty hard. As expected, Palin is looking just fine so far.

[DVD Polizei]

Palin's new tactic is going back to whatever subject she wants versus responding to the current topic. Nice. Got slapped by a healthcare statement? "Well, I wanna go back to the energy plan..."

[Suprmallet]

First she's talking about deregulating the private sector, now she's talking about the evil multinational corporations. Which is it?

[Sean O'Hara]

Every time Biden smiles, you know he's thinking, "Oh [expletive deleted] you [expletive deleted]."

[Venusian]

She dodged the question

[Dr Mabuse]

Wow! "I call that the ultimate bridge to nowhere." *Angry glare*

How long before he tries to slap her across the face? :lol:

:lol:

[scc15]

Palin doesn't look completely awful, in the sense that she's giving semi-coherent thoughts.

Biden is knocking it out of the park so far, in my opinion.

[Dr_Evil]

Looks like Palin is reaching her limit of what she was able to memorize. Starting to repeat things already.

[Dr Mabuse]

She dodged the question

Well that's new in a debate. ;)

She is keeping Biden on the defensive.

I can't believe how well Palin is doing.

[Suprmallet]

Biden is being even more vicious and personal than I expected, but Palin so far is not a complete disaster, which I think some people thought she would be.

[Red Dog]

Ah windfall profits tax. But only against those evil oil companies because you never mention any other business. Why not just call it evil oil tax?

[TheNightFlier]

Wow! "I call that the ultimate bridge to nowhere." *Angry glare*

How long before he tries to slap her across the face? :lol:

:lol:

After Biden hulks out he'll probably throw the podium at her.

Palin is doing alright so far.

[Baron Of Hell]

She dodged the question

That looks like her tactic or is that a strategy.

[Mordred]

Biden is knocking it out of the park so far, in my opinion.I agree completely. He's looking far better than I would have expected given his reputation. I'll admit I haven't heard him in a debate before though.

[Michael Sheridan]

Her last 4 answers have been "John McCain......reform......wall street to main street....."

[cactusoly]

I'm watching in High Def... Palin has a bunch of nasty welts on her neck

[Venusian]

Palin's new tactic is going back to whatever subject she wants versus responding to the current topic. Nice. Got slapped by a healthcare statement? "Well, I wanna go back to the energy plan..."

:lol: you just called this reply too

[Suprmallet]

Energy again? How about answering the question at hand?

[Dr_Evil]

I wish Sarah would share her thoughts on energy with us.

[DVD Polizei]

Mortgage bailout response: Palin goes BACK TO THE ENERGY PLAN! rotfl

[chris_sc77]

Palin started off pretty strong. The first 10 minutes she did pretty well. Since then it has been all down hill and that hill seems like its gonna be miles underground by the end of this two hours.

[Red Dog]

I've been able to pay my principal and interest on my mortgage. Where do I sign up for the only-pay-my-principal Biden plan? Or is being an irresponsible fool a prerequisite?

[TomOpus]

I'd love to go 5 mins without hearing the words "Barack Obama" or "John McCain."

[Dr Mabuse]

I'm watching in High Def... Palin has a bunch of nasty welts on her neck

:lol:

[monkey42]

"So, how do you feel about puppies?"

"Energy plan...energy reform..."

[twikoff]

I wonder if Palin's constant talking of Alaska will turn some potential voters off.

Corrie

[DVD Polizei]

:lol:

After Biden hulks out he'll probably throw the podium at her.

Palin is doing alright so far.

Have you heard about the Energy Plan? Because I REALLY wanna tell yah. Yes, sir. I do.

Yoooouuu betcha.

[Venusian]

You sure they aren't hickies? ;)

[Deftones]

Biden: "quote, and i'm paraphrasing here..."

[Dr_Evil]

I've been able to pay my principal and interest on my mortgage. Where do I sign up for the only-pay-my-principal Biden plan? Or is being an irresponsible fool a prerequisite?

:lol:

[Suprmallet]

I've been able to pay my principal and interest on my mortgage. Where do I sign up for the only-pay-my-principal Biden plan? Or is being an irresponsible fool a prerequisite?

Was it only pay the principal? I thought he said he wanted people to have the ability to change their principal, which sounds ridiculous to me.

[MoviePage]

Isn't she just a gosh-darn woman of the people, eh? *wink*

[Red Dog]

It's man-made. Paging movielib. ;)

[Willy]

First few questions she did ok, now it is all curick interview.

[Red Dog]

Was it only pay the principal? I thought he said he wanted people to have the ability to change their principal, which sounds ridiculous to me.

Ooh. That's sounds better. I'll take that one.

[marty888]

Too bad she hasn't had a chance to discuss her views on energy ....

She better be careful .... with nearly an hour to go, she's already sounding like a broken record.

[scc15]

First few questions she did ok, now it is all curick interview.

Yeah, she's losing it.

They should have pushed for a 15 minute debate.

[Michael Sheridan]

She hasnt said ONE damned fact this debate, meanwhile Biden is like an almanac.

[Venusian]

:lol: correcting the chant

[GreenMonkey]

I can't believe she went back to the "I dunno about the cause" but "bye golly we're gonna fix it" on the Global Warming question again :lol:

[Dr Mabuse]

Biden is getting pissed. It's obvious.

If he blows his top this will be awesome.

[scc15]

I may come out of this liking Biden more than Obama. He's been great.

[Suprmallet]

Hey, a same-sex question. Biden is avoiding the words "Gay marriage" though.

[chris_sc77]

If she works energy reform into the gay marriage answer I will shit my pants...

[Red Dog]

Ok, Joe, so what part of the Constitution gives the right to same sex benefits yet doesn't give the right to gay marriage. That should be the follow-up question.

[marty888]

Wow - she's "tolerant".

[BigDaddy]

I've been able to pay my principal and interest on my mortgage. Where do I sign up for the only-pay-my-principal Biden plan? Or is being an irresponsible fool a prerequisite?



From what I heard it was even better it is the lower your principal plan. Just take 100,000 right off the balance. What a deal.

[Suprmallet]

Nice direct question. A shame that Biden answered so poorly.

[Dr Mabuse]

Palin aced that "same sex marriage" question.

[Venusian]

So neither candidate supports gay marriage...any surprise there?

[Deftones]

I'm sort of surprised that the Dems aren't supporting gay marriage. That answer kind of shocked me.

[Venusian]

Obama has said for a while he doesn't support gay marriage

[Venusian]

Biden calls her out on not offering a plan. nice. the moderator should call them both out on not answering the questions

[mbs]

I may come out of this liking Biden more than Obama. He's been great.

Agreed. He's done very well thusfar.

[Red Dog]

I'm sort of surprised that the Dems aren't supporting gay marriage. That answer kind of shocked me.


It does? That's been their position for some time, which creates a problem because it means they're all over the map on issue as it pertains to equal protection.

[Ranger]

I may come out of this liking Biden more than Obama. He's been great.
Yep.

[Deftones]

Obama has said for a while he doesn't support gay marriage

I'm just getting into this election, so I hadn't seen much about either candidates opinion in it. Still somewhat surprising me that a dem would be against it.

[Dr Mabuse]

I didn't know that either, that Obama hated gay people.

[Venusian]

wow. terrible hesitation by palin.

[Suprmallet]

Holy cow! "Um...your plan...is a white flag of surrender!"

[Michael Sheridan]

Nice answer by Biden---

"Nice answer, but I didnt hear a plan....."

[Deftones]

It does? That's been their position for some time, which creates a problem because it means they're all over the map on issue as it pertains to equal protection.

yeah, seems like they want to basically give gays marriage rights, without the marriage part. seems somewhat contradictory.

[bdshort]

The gay marriage thing seems like it's all about semantics anyway. If a same-sex couple has all the same rights as a married couple, they should be allowed to call it whatever they want, even if it's not "marriage" in the eyes of the Government.

[Seantn]

I didn't know that either, that Obama hated gay people.

Too bad he can't "tolerate" them like Sarah Palin. The look on her face made her seem like she wanted to say, "I'll tolerate them (while trying to hold down my lunch...)"

[Michael Sheridan]

Maybe Palin wants her lifeline??

[Dr_Evil]

I like the ummm....pause by Palin, until she pulled the right speech from memory.

[chris_sc77]

Yep. Shes losing it....Did she miss the week at school when they explained how to form sentences?

[Venusian]

you can paint their positions how you want based on your bias but both sides seem to have the same position on gay marriage

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm surprised that anyone thought Biden would have answered the marriage equality question any other way.

[Red Dog]

I like the ummm....pause by Palin, until she pulled the right speech from memory.

It did seem that way.

[Dr Mabuse]

Palin recalls the Biden statement of "Obama is not ready".

I thought he might lose it, he's deflecting addressing that of course. There is no answer to it.

[DVD Polizei]

I like Biden's responses on Iraq and withdrawal. Most Americans want a plan to get out. We don't want to be there forever, thanks.

[DGibFen]

If I took a drink every time Biden said some form of "fundamental(s)", I be on the floor passed out by now.

[kstublen]

This is MUCH better than the Presidential Debate.

Loved Palin calling Biden out on saying Obama wasn't ready to be President.

Palin's doing a good job thus far.

[marty888]

If the Republicans had any smarts, they would have let Tina Fey stand in for Palin ...... would probably have had some intelligent answers.

[Dr Mabuse]

you can paint their positions how you want based on your bias but both sides seem to have the same position on gay marriage

They BOTH hate gay people?

:lol:

[Venusian]

Pakistan is already unstable...Nuclear Iran would be worse since we dont know what it'd be like

[climbingupwalls]

Could have sworn she just said "Barack Obama and Senator O'Biden."

[Venusian]

nukular? argh!

[marty888]

Could have sworn she just said "Barack Obama and Senator O'Biden."

That's what I thought I heard too ...

[Deftones]

ahhh shit, she just said nuc-u-lar.

[Suprmallet]

It sounded more like nukluar.

[Michael Sheridan]

"Which is worse, a nuclear Iran or unstable Pakistan"

"Umm...they're both bad"

[Venusian]

she looks like she's going to cry

[onebyone]

All this time Biden knew where Obama was and he didn't tell anyone?

Joke aside, he was really good on the war questions.

[mbs]

People might laugh and say VPs are not important, but this debate (thusfar) has very much solidified my vote for Obama-Biden.

Palin says "nuc-u-lar" just like W. Ugh.

[riley_dude]

you can paint their positions how you want based on your bias but both sides seem to have the same position on gay marriage

Ashame, in this day and age that they both have such limited views on this.


So the surge is helping in Iraq? Since when?

[Venusian]

looks like she's just reading the answers from her notes

[Venusian]

All this time Biden knew where Obama was and he didn't tell anyone?

Joke aside, he was really good on the war questions.

Obama or Osama?

[Red Dog]

I'm impressed that she can pronounce Ahmadinejad's name so well. Then again she prounounces Iran the wrong way, although that's the way most people (incorrectly) pronounce it.

[Dr Mabuse]

I thought she handled that question surprisingly well on Iran and Pakistan.

[scc15]

Loved Palin calling Biden out on saying Obama wasn't ready to be President.



This is such a non-issue. It was a presidential primary campaign, what do you think they would say about each other?

[Venusian]

"hate America"? Really, we're going to use the same cliches?

[Suprmallet]

"These dictators, who, by the way, HATE America!"

You think? :lol:

[marty888]

".... without pre-conditions being met first"

Huh? When else would you have "pre-conditions?" <i>After</i>?

[onebyone]

Obama or Osama?

I meant to say Osama... oops

Good thing I am not debating, that would be on youtube

[Red Dog]

At least one of these 4 finally gets the power-structure of Iran correct.

[Dr Mabuse]

This is such a non-issue. It was a presidential primary campaign, what do you think they would say about each other?

He didn't say it about anyone else did he? And how many others said the very same thing ONLY about Obama?

[Baron Of Hell]

It sounded more like nukluar.

You guys are to hung on words. You know what she meant.

[DVD Polizei]

Biden just shot a big load over Palin's wall.

She ducked.

[Venusian]

So far Biden is doing a lot better than Palin but the expectations of her were so low that it might not be all bad for her

[Michael Sheridan]

Hahahahaha---

"Im in favor of Israel..."

"A two-state solution IS the answer"

[Suprmallet]

Why are we talking about Israel? Does anyone care?

[Dr Mabuse]

So far Biden is doing a lot better than Palin but the expectations of her were so low that it might not be all bad for her

Biden joining in on pretending Obama didn't say he as President would meet with Iran was a joke.

Talk about 'selling it' to the zealots.

[DVD Polizei]

At least one of these 4 finally gets the power-structure of Iran correct.

Have to give Biden the :up: for that. I'd rather have Biden advising Obama than Palin advising McCain.

[Venusian]

Biden just referred to himself in the third person....take a shot

[Deftones]

now Biden is using 3rd person about himself. awesome. :lol:

[Venusian]

Did Biden just say elections (democracy) is bad?

[DVD Polizei]

So far Biden is doing a lot better than Palin but the expectations of her were so low that it might not be all bad for her

I agree. Personally, Palin is holding it together somewhat, and it's certainly not a Charlie G or Katie C interview, however, she's not answering much but merely calling Obama unpatriotic and "dangerous".

[Venusian]

:lol: "we both love israel"

[Seantn]

With Joe Biden I feel like he's actually talking to someone.

With Sarah Palin, I feel like an electronic arm is reaching inside her and pressing "play" on her pre-recorded message.

[Dr_Evil]

Wow that was a total non-answer.

[Venusian]

country first. maverick. blah blah. what does that have to do with israel?

[Suprmallet]

"I'm so glad to hear we both support Israel." :hippie:

[Brent L]

Biden really needs to stop those long, deep sighs right into the microphone.

[Michael Sheridan]

Wow....

She's Out of Facts!!!

Here comes the sarcasm!!!!!

[Red Dog]

She just gave him a meatball pitch there.

[Baron Of Hell]

"I'm so glad to hear we both support Israel." :hippie:

I can feel the love.

[Michael Sheridan]

She's not answering a god damned thing.

[Deftones]

why would you want to call McCain a maverick repeatedly? makes him sound reckless.

[DGibFen]

Is Biden breathing deep into the mic or snorting into it? It reminds me of Gore's "harrumph" tactic in the first Bush/Gore debate.

[Michael Sheridan]

Nuc-u-lar!!!!

[Willy]

Biden really needs to stop those long, deep sighs right into the microphone.

Sounds like he is gonna take his pen and stab her in the throat.

[Baron Of Hell]

Biden really needs to stop those long, deep sighs right into the microphone.

You are so right

[Venusian]

she kind of answered the nuke question with the deterent answer

[Dr Mabuse]

Sounds like he is gonna take his pen and stab her in the throat.

:lol:

[MoviePage]

I'd rather have Biden advising Obama than Palin advising McCain.

Seriously, after watching these two on stage at the same time, what sane person wouldn't? Obama-Biden's lead is going to get a(nother) significant bump after this, I feel.

[raven56706]

I think Palin isnt doing so bad... but i have to say the media is just giving her a bad rap... no idea ...

i am still undecided on who to pick in november but obama and biden arent the answer for this economy... thats for damn sure

[Venusian]

Third person again

[Venusian]

Biden isn't answering the question

[General Zod]

I just started watching (I know there's only 10 minutes or so left). She looks like she's still standing. So far, just to catch me up, is she meeting or exceeding expectations? I know she can't do worse than expectations..

I can see she is very nervous. Biden does not look nervous.

[VinVega]

Watching the CNN pulse of the voters line, Biden is doing better with women than Palin a lot of the time.

[SexualPudding]

I can't take much more of her fucking "Osh Kosh B'Gosh bumpkin" midwest sounding shit.

[Venusian]

she is avoiding questions but not as bad as the interviews.


Biden sounds frazzled on this answer

[DGibFen]

What Gen. David McKiernan said:

First of all, please don’t think that I’m saying there’s no room for tribal engagement in Afghanistan, because I think it’s very necessary. But I think it’s much more complex environment of tribal linkages, and intertribal complexity than there is in Iraq. It’s not as simple as taking the Sunni Awakening and doing the Pashtun Awakening in Afghanistan. It’s much more complex than that.

But there are countless other differences between Iraq and Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, it’s such a poor country, by any set of metrics you can imagine. A country that has very harsh geography. It’s very difficult to move around, getting back to our reliance on helicopters. It’s a country with very few natural resources, as opposed to the oil revenues that [Iraq] has. There’s very little money to be generated in terms of generated in Afghanistan. The literacy rate — you have a literate society in Iraq, you have a society that has a history of producing civil administrators, technocrats, middle class that are able to run the country in Iraq. You do not have that in Afghanistan. So there’s educational challenges, challenges of human capitol that I mentioned earlier.

So there are a lot of challenges. What I don’t think is needed — the word that I don’t use in Afghanistan is the word “surge.” There needs to be a sustained commitment of a variety of military and non-military resources, I believe. That’s my advice to winning in Afghanistan. It won’t be a short-term solution.

http://washingtonindependent.com/9683/mckiernan-not-hot-on-sons-of-afghanistan-idea

[TheNightFlier]

Uh oh more heavy sighs..And he's got the hands going...hulk out already.

[MoviePage]

i am still undecided on who to pick in november but obama and biden arent the answer for this economy... thats for damn sure

And someone who talks about "gazillions and trillions" is?

[Venusian]

Biden is for troops in Darfur. Interesting

[Dr Mabuse]

she is avoiding questions but not as bad as the interviews.


Biden sounds frazzled on this answer

He's been looking frazzled too, a lot.

But I've got to say he hasn't pulled a 'Biden' yet and lost it.

[mbs]

I just started watching (I know there's only 10 minutes or so left). She looks like she's still standing. So far, just to catch me up, is she meeting or exceeding expectations? I know she can't do worse than expectations..

I can see she is very nervous. Biden does not look nervous.

She exceeded my expectations by a long shot (considering the recent interviews). That said, Biden blew her out of the water.

[VinVega]

Serbs, Croats, and "Bosniacs"?

[Venusian]

Palin is catching on to the smirk thing.

[Red Dog]

Biden is for troops in Darfur. Interesting

Par for the course from him.

[raven56706]

And someone who talks about "gazillions and trillions" is?

what?... gazillions isnt a real number... rotfl


let hillary run in the independant and i can assure you she wins by a landslide

[Venusian]

Is Palin going to avoid the Darfur question?

[Dr Mabuse]

Biden is for troops in Darfur. Interesting

Man that would be the stupidest thing we could do.

I would hope the Obama campaign is freaking out about that.

[Venusian]

Par for the course from him.

Did McCain really oppose troops in Bosnia? I thought people on here said he was pretty hawkish about it.


Palin is getting around to answering the question

[pjflyer]

Even Bush learned how to pronounce nuclear.

[VinVega]

Biden is for troops in Darfur. Interesting
The audience liked Biden's talk about Darfur. High spikes in approval from the real time voting on CNN.

[Michael Sheridan]

Ed Rollins:::

Palin - + 28, -2.


That's rich.

[Red Dog]

Did McCain really oppose troops in Bosnia? I thought people on here said he was pretty hawkish about it.



No he's the one who was pushing for ground troops.

[Dr Mabuse]

Palin just burned Biden on that, him voting for the war while being against it.

That wasn't bad there.

"I'm so glad I'm a Washington outsider".

Not bad.

[Venusian]

VinVega convinced me to change to CNN from CSPAN. let see if these lines impress me

[VinVega]

Is Palin going to avoid the Darfur question?
Awe shucks, she has to, she's just a cute little Warshington outsider. ;)

[scc15]

The ladies sure love Joe Biden (according to that thing on CNN, anyway)

[Willy]

Ed Rollins:::

Palin - + 28, -2.


That's rich.

+37 +14 hahahaa

[Michael Sheridan]

Ill put up 20 bucks that Sarah Palin thinks Darfur is a town south of Barrow.

[CertifiedTHX]

With Joe Biden I feel like he's actually talking to someone.

With Sarah Palin, I feel like an electronic arm is reaching inside her and pressing "play" on her pre-recorded message.

Right. When Biden speaks, I feel like he understands what he's saying. When Palin speaks, I feel like she's repeating from memory. She's not doing a bad job, but she doesn't seem to own her words.

--THX

[TropicalRobot]

The ladies sure love Joe Biden (according to that thing on CNN, anyway)

catfight!

[Willy]

Ill put up 20 bucks that Sarah Palin thinks Darfur is a town south of Barrow.

Darfu is the name of Bristol's kid.

[Venusian]

"knows what evil is". :rolleyes:

[Baron Of Hell]

Biden is frazzled over Palin answers. He knows he can't go full Biden on her and it is getting to him.

[Michael Sheridan]

"John McCain knows how to win a war...."


Umm--Vietnam?

[Venusian]

ooh good question. i suspect Palin will say it'll be the same

[SexualPudding]

Ill put up 20 bucks that Sarah Palin thinks Darfur is a town south of Barrow.

Can she see it from her shitter?

[DGibFen]

Right. When Biden speaks, I feel like he understands what he's saying. When Palin speaks, I feel like she's repeating from memory. She's not doing a bad job, but she doesn't seem to own her words.

--THX

True about Palin (at times), but Biden is starting to let his underlying anger take control of his answers. It's affecting how he comes across.

[Venusian]

eh. biden is saying it'll be the same too. lame