It's that time again. Here's the new pro wrestling discussion thread for the month of October. We've got three PPV's going on this time around:

WWE NO MERCY - October 5th

TNA BOUND FOR GLORY IV - October 12th

WWE CYBER SUNDAY - October 26th

Personally I wish they'd cancel Cyber Sunday and bring back my beloved Halloween Havoc.
:frankie:

Personally I wish they'd cancel Cyber Sunday and bring back my beloved Halloween Havoc.
:frankie:That's an awesome idea. Cyber Sunday is usually a middling PPV, and I'd be in for a Michaels/Jericho "Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal" match. Just no Coal Miner's Glove this time please.

hell bring back World War 3 which was a 30 man 3 ring battle royal

hell bring back World War 3 which was a 30 man 3 ring battle royal

It was actually 60 men in 3 ring.

hell bring back World War 3 which was a 30 man 3 ring battle royal

It was actually 60 men in 3 ring.

I was just watching the 1997 WW3 PPV on Youtube and was amazed how many big names were in that match. I'm a geek of battle royals, but that one was a good clusterfuck.

That's an awesome idea. Cyber Sunday is usually a middling PPV, and I'd be in for a Michaels/Jericho "Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal" match. Just no Coal Miner's Glove this time please.

The only way that feud is going to be resolved is in a WHITE CASTLE OF FEAR match.

My favorite WCW events were Havoc and Battlebowl. I'm really surprised they havn't used Havoc at all. I don't expect them to ever use Battlebowl when they don't even care about the tag division anymore.

WWE needs to have an annual War Games match. Reportedly, Trips has even tried selling McMahon on the idea and he won't bite. They could even have it at the Great American Bash to give that event a little more distinction as well as keep it within an old WCW named event.
I agree...Cyber Sunday should go. It's never good and the fans don't really get to choose in any democratic way. They manipulate and prod the fans until the day of the event as to who they want wrestling who and in what sort of match. Of course I'm going to pick a cage match over a falls count anywhere match. And the diva match stipulations are the worst. The less time devoted to them, the better. A divas match has never earned a ppv buyrate and I'd wager that it never will. Cyber Sunday just plain sucks.

Here's the card for No Mercy with my predictions:

- Kane vs. Rey Mysterio
I think this one has to go to Rey. I don't see WWE unmasking Rey.

- The Big Show vs. The Undertaker
I'm not really excited about this feud. I am going to say double elimination on this one. Maybe interference from someone.

- World Heavyweight Title #1 Contender's Match: JBL vs. Batista
JBL has had his time this one goes to Batista.

- WWE Women's Title Match: Beth Phoenix vs. Candice Michelle
Candice has been getting a nice push. I think they'll shake this belt up and give it to her.

- ECW Title Match: Matt Hardy vs. Mark Henry
Matt Hardy will retain it.

- WWE Title Match: HHH vs. Jeff Hardy
The only Hardy to win will be Matt. I think Jeff has been getting a push but I don't think the victory will come yet.

- World Heavyweight Title Ladder Match: Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels
I can't think of any reason Jericho won't retain the belt. Hopefully this feud goes away after the match.

Thoughts?

Very uninteresting card for me. The two main events look good, especially the ladder match but not enough for me to drop the money for it.

Personally I wish they'd cancel Cyber Sunday and bring back my beloved Halloween Havoc.
:frankie:
I would like to see the King of the Ring PPV back. It would be neat having a Halloween Havoc PPV for WWE, though.

This looks really bad.

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I would like to see the King of the Ring PPV back. It would be neat having a Halloween Havoc PPV for WWE, though.


King of the Ring was awesome before they shit all over it and didn't have the entire tournament in one night. It would be awesome if they expanded it and had a WM4 sized event again.

Then again, the Rumble was always my favorite event. I think they ruin the thing when they tell us who is #1 and #30 before the the PPV even starts. The surprise was always the best part. The only acceptable excuse was the storyline that saw Dibiase start #1 because he bought #30 the year before.

This looks really bad.

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holy crap... is this for real???

Yes. that was the much talked and planned Andre movie. It looks like shit. If Vince wants to do films, why doesn't he start by doing a decent one of Andre the Giant instead of recycling to scripts, like he is doing for the new Stone Cold and John Cena films?

this is a vinny mac movie?

When do you think Edge will be back? I am guessing that he won't be back for the premiere of Smackdown on MyNetworkTV, correct? I miss seeing him around as he's one of my favorite heels. Actually he's probably one of my favorites in the WWE.

Don't know if its supposed to be a surprise, so i'm gonna tag it -- Former WCW United States Heavyweight Champion Steve "Mongo" McMichael will be making his first wrestling-related appearance in nearly ten years at TNA's Bound For Glory pay-per-view in Chicago on Sunday, October 12. McMichael will be the Special Guest Referee in the Monster’s Ball match, featuring four tag teams: TNA World Tag Team Champions Beer Money, Team 3D, The Latin American Xchange, and the duo of Matt Morgan and Abyss. TNA Wrestling President Dixie Carter said McMichael’s role at Bound For Glory will be to "maintain peace, if at all possible." rotfl

Good news everybody! It looks like Kelly Kelly is going to be the next diva in Playboy!

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=33761&p=1

When do you think Edge will be back? I am guessing that he won't be back for the premiere of Smackdown on MyNetworkTV, correct? I miss seeing him around as he's one of my favorite heels. Actually he's probably one of my favorites in the WWE.

Uhmm he's in Hell. I don't think he'll ever be back.

Good news everybody! It looks like Kelly Kelly is going to be the next diva in Playboy!

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=33761&p=1

That's all good and well, but she could have done that without defiling WWE tv every week.
:johnwoo2: WWE Divas Division

Going to watch the PPV tomorrow night. (If it wasn't for the food/friends, I don't know that I'd go to every PPV. Especially tomorrow night, with a new Family Guy on.)

Not expecting too much. My only curiosity, which is pretty much already answered by past history, is if they'll finally give Jeff Hardy the big win. He's proven he can drop the ball in MANY situations, so I don't see them finally putting that kind of faith in him. But, I did think he had to win the pinfall in the 8-man tag match so there was some kind of credibility.

(Also, I'm KINDA curious(hopeful) that Edge might stick his nose in the Show/Taker match. Just like Alyoshka said, this fued/match does nothing for me, at least in its current state. And Edge is sorely missed. So maybe that'll spruce up this match/PPV a bit. Sadly, I've read nothing about that. Then again, I haven't been to a wrestling forum in a few weeks, so if there wasn't something here (and I didn't miss it if there was), I'd have no clue anyway. But, yeah, let's hope Edge is back.)

Good news everybody! It looks like Kelly Kelly is going to be the next diva in Playboy!

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=33761&p=1:drool: I will be camping out at newstands when it's time for this to be released. It's hard to believe Test is getting that anytime he wants it.

Do any of you watch "The Dirt Sheet" with John Morrison and The Miz on WWE.com? Like them or not, the stuff the do they do on there is funny as heck. Check it out if you get the chance. This week's Dirt Sheet does a take on Triple H and Steph. My ribs were sore from laughing when it was over. Funny, funny stuff.

:lol: i found this
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Homicide vs CM Punk at a strip club.

That footage will never get old. Love it.

My normal sites are down, anybody know who won the Michaels/Jericho match?

Dark Match: WWE Tag Team Champions Primo & Carlito Colon defeated The Miz & John Morrison.

Winner & still ECW Champion - Matt Hardy

Winner & still WWE Women's Champion - Beth Phoenix

Winner by DQ - Rey Mysterio

Winner & the number one contender for the World Title - Batista

Winner by knockout - Big Show

Winner & still WWE Champion - Triple H

Winner & still World Heavyweight Champion - Chris Jericho

Apparently, Jericho is going to be asking Santa for a new front tooth...

Apparently, Jericho is going to be asking Santa for a new front tooth...Holy cow. I heard it kicked ass but didn't hear he got his damn tooth knocked out.

Holy cow. I heard it kicked ass but didn't hear he got his damn tooth knocked out.

Wow. That's pretty cool. I guess that's what implants are good for. Sounds like i'll have to rent this dvd when it comes out.

I always wonder how you would explain some of these wrestling injuries to doctor's who have no idea what you do.

"So how in the world did you lose your tooth like this Chris?"
"A damn youth minister hit me in the mouth with a ladder in front of 20,000 people."

Not one comment on Raw...HA! Not much interesting going on right now I guess. It wasn't too bad of a show really. Can't say Batista/Jericho does much for me, but adding Stone Cold as a guest ref should be fun.

Hopefully Honky Tonk Man beats Santino at the PPV.

Not one comment on Raw...HA! Not much interesting going on right now I guess. It wasn't too bad of a show really. Can't say Batista/Jericho does much for me, but adding Stone Cold as a guest ref should be fun.

Hopefully Honky Tonk Man beats Santino at the PPV.

Hey, you can't know that yet! We're voting for it! :)

Not one comment on Raw...HA! Not much interesting going on right now I guess. It wasn't too bad of a show really. Can't say Batista/Jericho does much for me, but adding Stone Cold as a guest ref should be fun.

Hopefully Honky Tonk Man beats Santino at the PPV.

we all know that HBK will be the ref, and Santino will wrestle Honky, and vince will shit all over the ic belt some more by having santino win(all tho, having honky win will do the same thing)

I thought HBK was a lock as the ref... until Austin became an option.

Alfonso Castillo, a writer for Newsday on The Steel Cage blog, has an interview with Bret the Hitman Hart (http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/specialevent/wrestling/2008/10/extensive_interview_with_bret.html)about a variety of things. The focus is on his new book but there is some interesting stuff.

Alfonso Castillo, a writer for Newsday on The Steel Cage blog, has an interview with Bret the Hitman Hart (http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/specialevent/wrestling/2008/10/extensive_interview_with_bret.html)about a variety of things. The focus is on his new book but there is some interesting stuff.

From the first paragraph of the article:

There have been some good books written by some OK wrestlers, and some OK books written by some good ones. But, perhaps there has never been a great book written by a great wrestler, until now.

what a douchebag author. On the top of my head, I can name several great books by great wrestlers such as Foley's first 2, Dynamite Kid's bio and Chris Jericho's bio. I hope that the author get's blackballed by other wrestlers since he didn't have to kiss Bret's ass by putting down other great wrestlers.

I wouldn't call Foley a great wrestler.

Foley was indeed a great wrestler. He wasn't the Kurt Angle technical wrestler type, but he was an incredible storyteller in the ring and took great bumps and could be considered as the greates hardcore wrestler ever. Watch Foley from 96-99 and early 2000, especially his matches with Triple H.

what a douchebag author. On the top of my head, I can name several great books by great wrestlers such as Foley's first 2, Dynamite Kid's bio and Chris Jericho's bio. I hope that the author get's blackballed by other wrestlers since he didn't have to kiss Bret's ass by putting down other great wrestlers.

Do you really think the first two Foley books are great? He doesn't say that Foley isn't a great wrestler. In fact, in the next paragraph he says that Foley is a legendary wrestler:

Yes, wrestling legends like Mick Foley and Ric Flair both wrote some good books, but in both cases the end-product was run through the WWE filter.

The problem is that the appearance of impropriety is in the books written by Foley and Flair because WWE was the editor. He thinks, and I agree, they are good books written by legendary wrestlers. I haven't read Hitman's book but at least it wasn't censored by Vince.

Foley's books were great, and actually HBK's is entertaining and candid at points but seemed to be missing something. But back to Foley it might have been edited but come on he said somethings that I am sure Vince didn't like. Like for example when he rips the Rock at the end of the paperback version of his first book. That said Foley loves most people to a fault, and I think that he edited himself because he cares more about the business then himself.

Foley was indeed a great wrestler. He wasn't the Kurt Angle technical wrestler type, but he was an incredible storyteller in the ring and took great bumps and could be considered as the greates hardcore wrestler ever. Watch Foley from 96-99 and early 2000, especially his matches with Triple H.

..and he might be, but just because he's the most "hardcore" in the WWE means nothing to me. If I remember him as being the greatest hardcore wrestler ever (which I don't) it'd be for some of his matches in Japan or feuds with Funk or the Sandman.

Plus, his awesome feud with Eddie Gilbert in TWA.

Foley's books were great, and actually HBK's is entertaining and candid at points but seemed to be missing something. But back to Foley it might have been edited but come on he said somethings that I am sure Vince didn't like. Like for example when he rips the Rock at the end of the paperback version of his first book. That said Foley loves most people to a fault, and I think that he edited himself because he cares more about the business then himself.

I think Foley wrote a really good book and did set the example for many other wrestlers. But do I think Foley could have written a better book? Yes, I think he could have done better but potentially was held back. I don't know for sure but that's my assumption.

As far as him ripping The Rock, I don't know how much Vince would care about that. Vince knows that the Rock is finished with WWE. Even if he happens to come back things that Mick says about him won't affect his fan appeal. He'll still be hugely over and the biggest face. I'm glad Mick said it but I don't think it upset Vince.

THat may be true but when he did that the Rock wasn't on his way out quite yet. But I'll agree I think what was missing in Mick's books were more self censoring as opposed to the machine

Is anybody else excited for Bound For Glory? I haven't ordered a wrestling pay-per-view since 2002, seriously considering this one.

Is anybody else excited for Bound For Glory? I haven't ordered a wrestling pay-per-view since 2002, seriously considering this one.If I don't have to travel on Sunday, which is unfortunately probable, I'll be buying it. Good card, not spectacular, but very solid and hopefully they'll pull the trigger officially on the old/new school feud. It's also a lot easier to drop the $30 than $50 or $60 (HD).

Iron Sheiks roast goes off when the comedian makes fun of owen hart and Scott hall goes ballistic but then just becomes annoying....its funny but sad to see

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Two things:

1- Any joke about Owen is just plain tasteless. Especially coming from jackasses that didn't have 1/1000 of the talent Owen had.

2- Bundy has lost some weight.

true but Scott Hall does look like a downright piece of crap ... wow how the mighty have fallen

Dolph Ziggler has already been suspended for failing the Wellness Policy test. Great way to re-start his career on RAw, but I guess this was expected since he was going to be given a push based on his toned and muscular look, which is what Vince craves.

I'd like to see a Razor Ramon movie with Steven Seagal playing the lead.

= J

A movie about a guy whos career is over, starring a guy who's career is over. Where do I sign up.

Hey, they both pretty much went down the same path in most regards.

They could get some boots with lifts in them and get Kenny Rogers to play the part of Kevin Nash.

Nah Kenny aged better

They could get some boots with lifts in them and get Kenny Rogers to play the part of Kevin Nash.

rotfl

Dolph Ziggler has already been suspended for failing the Wellness Policy test. Great way to re-start his career on RAw, but I guess this was expected since he was going to be given a push based on his toned and muscular look, which is what Vince craves.

:lol:

So in the very unlikely chance that Dolph returns, will he have to reintroduce himself to everyone in the locker room?

:lol:

So in the very unlikely chance that Dolph returns, will he have to reintroduce himself to everyone in the locker room?

Hi, I am Crash Holly.

I doubt anyone cares, but here are the results from TNA's Bound For Glory IV tonight. Winners in BOLD:

TNA WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Champion Samoa Joe vs. "The Icon" Sting

TNA GRUDGE MATCH
"King Of The Mountain" Jeff Jarrett vs. Olympic Gold Medalist Kurt Angle
Special Enforcer: Mick Foley

THREE-WAY MATCH
Booker T vs. "The Instant Classic" Christian Cage vs. "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles

MONSTER'S BALL TNA WORLD TAG TEAM TITLE MATCH:
Champions Beer Money Inc. vs. Team 3D vs. The Latin American Xchange vs. Abyss & Matt Morgan
Special Referee: Steve "Mongo" McMichael

TNA X DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Champion Sheik Abdul Bashir vs. Consequences Creed

TNA KNOCKOUTS CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Champion Taylor Wilde vs. Awesome Kong vs. Roxxi

THE RETURN OF THE STEEL ASYLUM MATCH
WINNER: Jay Lethal.

KNOCKOUT BIMBO BRAWL
Special Referee: Traci Brooks
Rhino, Rhaka Khan & ODB vs. Beautiful People & Cute Kip

PPV sounded good, I'm debating going down to the tapings tomorrow night.

the PPV was pretty weak. I missed most of the Steel asylum match but the replays looked good on it, Angle vs JJ was a bust and only served to introduce Foley. Sting winning with help from Nash was predictable. The monster's Ball was awesome but Mongo SUCKED as ref, he slow counted every time and LAX even looked really frustrated with him. The return of the Flaming Table was a nice spot and seeing Abyss covered in flames was sweet. Greatest news from the PPV is the possible return of the greatest clown in wrestling history Murple!

What the big surprise that Double J promised 'that would shock the wrestling world"? Foley wasn't it, Mongo wasn' it, just wondering what it was all about?

the surprise was they made it back to 1.0 in the ratings...

Foley isnt helping them... i think now, they really dont have a shot at competing with the wwe ever...i dont see them around the next 2 years

the surprise was they made it back to 1.0 in the ratings...

Foley isnt helping them... i think now, they really dont have a shot at competing with the wwe ever...i dont see them around the next 2 years

They're actually somewhat profitable now. They'll be around as Panda and Spike keep them around, which unless things drastically change (and with tv it always can), but for probably more than 2 years.

-Paul Jacobi-

How are they turning a profit now? Expenses must be sky high, at least compared to earlier days, and I don't see the ratings moving all that much. Is it the licenses (like the videogame)?

They're actually somewhat profitable now. They'll be around as Panda and Spike keep them around, which unless things drastically change (and with tv it always can), but for probably more than 2 years.

-Paul Jacobi-

video game probably but with contracts and venues ... i dont see them making anymore money... they can never break a 2.0.... i think sooner or later they will break... i dont want it to happen but i think it appears inevitable... even foley couldnt spike their ratings

How are they turning a profit now? Expenses must be sky high, at least compared to earlier days, and I don't see the ratings moving all that much. Is it the licenses (like the videogame)?They get a lot of revenue from Spike, and from the reports I've read Spike is very happy with TNA. They pull in a good number consistently in a key demo and it's a relatively cheap show to produce. Their PPVs are also now profitable, mainly due to the live gates from traveling so much and they did get a nice chunk from Midway for the game licensing. I believe they also do well on DVD sales, especially since they expanded to a lot of Wal-Marts, especially in the South. They're not rolling in cash, but it's reported that they've really been able to start paying off the Panda debt

It's the same old song and dance, they won't be around in 6 months, a year, 18 months, 2 years... whatever. Everybody said that 2 years ago, 18 months ago, a year ago, 6 months ago... they obviously have a consistent built in audience that can hold them steady as they decide to expand or not. The house shows have not been going well lately because very few of the top guys go on the house show tours, but overall it's hard to point to any imminent demise. The one worry I would have is the overall economy over the next few years, but it's hard to say any company would be truly "safe."

Scott Hall was involved in a third altercation during the weekend and someone took a video of it:

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Karen Angle is out of TNA:
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=33957&p=1

Anyone notice? There was a Raw last night. :lol:





The Johnny Knoxville stuff was painful to watch. I didn't know people still cared about Jackass. I guess Vince still thinks they do.

The following is from WWE.com:

Lance Cade released
Written: October 14, 2008

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Raw Superstar Lance Cade as of October 14, 2008. WWE wishes Lance the best in all future endeavors.




that didnt take too long

Anyone notice? There was a Raw last night. :lol:

I intended to watch but I wound up only catching the first 10 minutes or so before falling asleep on the couch. I came out of it briefly to catch The Boogeyman and Johnny Knoxville. When I woke up for good, I had to confirm that that had really happened and wasn't just part of my dream,lol.

The following is from WWE.com:

Lance Cade released
Written: October 14, 2008

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Raw Superstar Lance Cade as of October 14, 2008. WWE wishes Lance the best in all future endeavors.




that didnt take too long

I wonder what he do to get released when recieving this "push".

Man Speaks On Incident Involving Scott Hall & His Wife
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2008_/1224006668.php

I would be honored if Razor Ramone wanted to bang my wife :)

Anyone notice? There was a Raw last night. :lol:





The Johnny Knoxville stuff was painful to watch. I didn't know people still cared about Jackass. I guess Vince still thinks they do.

Pwinsider has 2 good articles about last night's atrocity of a show:

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=33976&p=1
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=33967&p=1

I feel exactly as they do. I want to see how the people that constantly defend WWE in this forum explain to me how the crap that WWE threw at us last night is good. I want to see how our "insider" or "mark" or "internet fan" look is making us not see a how "good the WWE product is".

I mean, we had this coming, you know. Jackass was promoted last year for Summerslam until the Benoit incident. Vince thought that Stev-O and his friend no selling Umaga was really funny. So he gave us, a year later, more of what "we" want. And what we want is Jackass!!! What we want is Knoxville ruining a perfect Santino moment. What we want is a fat guy in a thong dancing around the ring with another idiot in a thong!!!

As for the wrestlers, it was bad when Triple H and HBK decimated the tag teams on Raw. It was bad when Cena and HBK did the same a year later, but yesterday, Batista and HBK did what not even Hogan, Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior combine could and that was to crap on the entire heel roster on RAW. How in the common sense hell do 2 wrestlers beat on the entire heel group of almost 13 wrestlers? How can we take the heel wrestlers seriously when just 2 men can stand up to them?

Ehh, I thought Raw was alright.

Raw was F"N terrible. They have officially become worse than the mid 90s, TL Hopper included. It goes back to something Bobby Heenan said after he retired, "The magic is gone kids."

I do wonder what Cade did to piss someone off.

Anyone notice? There was a Raw last night.
The Johnny Knoxville stuff was painful to watch. I didn't know people still cared about Jackass. I guess Vince still thinks they do.

I took my son to the show last night

The Knoxville stuff was definitely the low point of the show

Naturally a bunch of idiots did cheer for this segment

Up next, the TNA show on Nov 1.

I don't know what I can say about last nights RAW other than someone at USA Today thought that Johnny Knoxville was relevant enough (and that the Great Khalil thing was real) that she mentioned it in her blog (http://blogs.usatoday.com/popcandy/2008/10/johnny-knoxvill.html). So I guess a few people still think he's relevant regardless of what DVD Talk thinks.

Then, as far as the show went, I don't know what WWE can really do to make fans happy. People want longer matches and they got a couple of them yesterday. The Jericho match was a fairly decent one. Batista was also ok in his match. Both of those matches were a little longer. Right now RAW is missing a few big name people such as Orton and Cena.

I'm giving them a break for bringing in Knoxville if that is what they needed to do to fill some time. It sure beats bringing in someone like William Shatner like they did in the 90s. :lol:

Honestly, I'd take a half hour of "Raw is Jackass" each week before I'd ever want to see Kevin Federline or Drew Carey show up in the WWE again.

I just change the channel anymore. If I wanted to watch Jackass, I would.

havn't watched wwe in a long time... first off, the haas hogan thing looks really familiar, hmm wonder where they got that idea from.. tna? second what happened to taz? matt striker was on ecw.. was he just filling in or is taz gone?

havn't watched wwe in a long time... first off, the haas hogan thing looks really familiar, hmm wonder where they got that idea from.. tna? second what happened to taz? matt striker was on ecw.. was he just filling in or is taz gone?

Tazz was moved to Smackdown a couple of weeks before Mick Foley left the company for TNA. Striker and Todd Grisham are the announcers for ECW.

As for the Hogan parody, or better yet, Hass new gimmick of other wrestlers parody can go back to Steven Richards, who did it in the original ECW and then briefly in WWF before his Right To Censor gimmick.

JIM ROSS TALKS ABOUT LANCE CADE'S RELEASE AND THE EVENTS LEADING UP TO IT
by Buck Woodward @ 10:13 PM on 10/15/2008

Jim Ross has posted his latest blog entry, giving some details on the release of Lance Cade this week. You can read the full blog by clicking here. Here's the passage on Cade from the blog:

As many of you know, Lance Cade was abruptly released from his contract this week much to the surprise of many of us. I have always thought that Cade had a wealth of physical potential and he was always a polite young man in my dealings with him. Like many fans, I too did my share of arm chair quarterbacking as to why Cade was not featured in a more prominent role on WWE TV programming. However it seemed that in the past several weeks those issues were being addressed even to the point of Cade defeating HBK on a recent Monday Night Raw.

The story that I have read on many internet sites about the reason for Cade's sudden dismissal isn't accurate. Many pundits speculate that Cade was dismissed because of a bad performance in a recent TV bout against DX on Raw which is absolutely untrue. Lance's dismissal had zero to do with his in ring performances or his lack of ability.

Lance Cade was dismissed from the WWE because, like many humans, he made a major league mistake while utilizing bad judgment that cost him his job. This included Lance having a seizure on an airplane and having to have emergency medial care. Luckily, Lilian Garcia was on the same flight and was instrumental in helping Lance get taken to a hospital where a battery of tests were run that luckily determined that there was nothing seriously wrong with the young man such as a brain tumor, etc.

Everyone makes mistakes, Lord knows I have made plenty in my career, but in this day and time some mistakes just simply can't be condoned. To some fans, Lance Cade will likely still be perceived as the victim in this matter and his punishment too harsh.

Under the circumstances of the situation, I don't know what other decision the WWE could have made. I'm just relieved that it wasn't me in my former role that would have had to address this matter. I really like this kid and hope that he continues to follow his dreams. Second chances are not foreign in the wrestling business so perhaps that could be in Lance's future but that's just a personal observation.

Lance Cade is a talented young man whose best days should be ahead of him and I wish him nothing but success. Lance has been knocked down and now it is up to him to get off the canvas and get back in the game. I'm damn sure pulling for him.

Let's hope Lance's peers are paying attention to this situation.

Ross talks about this week's TV tapings in Las Vegas, Bobby Lashley and numerous other topics in today's blog, which I highly recommend checking out. You can do so by clicking here.

As for the Hogan parody, or better yet, Hass new gimmick of other wrestlers parody can go back to Steven Richards, who did it in the original ECW and then briefly in WWF before his Right To Censor gimmick.

Are you forgetting Stevie - mania, and steven richards

Steve-A-Mania starts at around 1:10

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Thanks for correcting me Guess Who I couldn't remember what it was called

I must be missing something... the guy has a seizure and needs medical attention, and that's a knock on his character? Is it because he didn't take his meds or something?

Yes it seems there is something missing in that story. He might have been drinking which does not go well with the medication

The Big show did the whole gimmick-steal thing in WWE before too, right after he was on SNL with The Rock, I am sure he did The Showster and i think Show-kishi not sure about any others but the whole gimmick-steal idea has been used in WWE before, they do it everytime they need a comedy act. I am waiting for Stone Cold Steve Haas to get stunned by SCSA to end that crap

There is nothing like discrediting internet stories, while leaving out most of the important details to the "real story". Got to love Jim Ross.

Speaking of Ross I found this funny:

In a funny deal, WWE 24/7 is running the 1992 WCW Halloween Havoc pay-per-view and during the broadcast, Jim Ross rips WWF, saying they're filled with bodybuilders who pose but don't know how to wrestle. During his time in WCW, Ross who would frequently take shots at the World Wrestling Federation and their wrestlers on commentary.

The Big show did the whole gimmick-steal thing in WWE before too, right after he was on SNL with The Rock, I am sure he did The Showster and i think Show-kishi not sure about any others but the whole gimmick-steal idea has been used in WWE before, they do it everytime they need a comedy act. I am waiting for Stone Cold Steve Haas to get stunned by SCSA to end that crap

I think they will do "The Ultimate Haas" before they end it.

I want to see haas, doing steve, doing hulk.

KoKo B. Haas.

Junkyard Haas.

The HonkeyHass Man
Charile "The King" Hass
HassBerg
Charlie Von Hass
King Kong Hass

i could go on and on, just like i hope this bit does

X-Haas

I must be missing something... the guy has a seizure and needs medical attention, and that's a knock on his character? Is it because he didn't take his meds or something?

To me it sounds like Cade use some drug before boarding the plane that caused the siezure. Since it cause such a panic in the flight, to the point the he needed to be taken to the hospital, WWE decided to release him. I believe it was his second strike with the company. Jim Ross, being part of WWE, can't state directly what went on that caused the release.

Triple Hass
The BoogeyHass

The "10's of dollars" Hassman.

Hassdust
The Man They Call Hass
Rowdy Charlie Hass
Hass The clown
The Brooklyn Hass
The Big Boss Hass
Charlie Beefcake

How about:

Haas "The Hitman" Hart
Haas Sammartino
Haas "The Barber" Beefcake
The Repo Haas
Rowdy Haas Piper
The Haas-break Kid

I like The Big Boss Haas...or how about The Haas Boss Man?
We could go on with these all night.

Charlie "Macho Haas" Savage...ohhh yeahhhh!
You know what's funny? WWE creative sit around a table every week brainstorming just like this as to who he will imitate next...lol

Irwin R. Hassster

Charliedegooker

Giant GonzalHaas
The ShockHaaster - have him burst through a styrofoam wall and fall down.

Mean Gean Hass
Razor Hass
Cactus Hass

The Haaszerker.......... "haas, haas, haas"


(only the first few seconds are necessary, if you don't get the above-quoted comment)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i5pdb1_S4c&feature=related

rotfl

He did Piper a couple of weeks ago in the dark match before raw.

Haas will come out impersonating whoever wins the fans vote to face Santino at Cyber Sunday, and the gimmick will end there when wwe blames him for the fans being pissed it wasn't the real person.

Chris BenHass...he could hang himself with a weight set!

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= J

Clone 3 more Charlies and we get: The Four Haasmen

Vince must have hit his head pretty hard and woke up 10 years in the past with Jackass running around and now Kizarny. Snoop hasnt been relevant for a good while now.

In past threads I mentioned that I thought Christian Cage was one of the few guys to increase his asking value during his stay in TNA. Rumor is he is on his way back to the WWE when his current contract expires.

In past threads I mentioned that I thought Christian Cage was one of the few guys to increase his asking value during his stay in TNA. Rumor is he is on his way back to the WWE when his current contract expires.

I'd like to see Christian back in the WWE. I'd also like to see the Machine Guns, Matt Morgan, and AJ Stiles in the WWE. I doubt that AJ would ever come as he is sort of a foundation of TNA. The Machine Guns would jump at the chance, wouldn't they?

I'd like to see Christian back in the WWE. I'd also like to see the Machine Guns, Matt Morgan, and AJ Stiles in the WWE. I doubt that AJ would ever come as he is sort of a foundation of TNA. The Machine Guns would jump at the chance, wouldn't they?

I think Matt Morgan originally came from WWE. He was a Smackdown guy so I never saw much of him.

I doubt the MCMG would go to WWE. There is honestly nothing for them to do there, and that would kill their work in ROH, Japan, etc...

Now Christian...I want him back in WWE as soon as possible.
:up:

I think Smackdown was actually MORE boring than Raw was.

But then again, I feel that way every week Maria is on television and a boob doesn't pop out.

I think Matt Morgan originally came from WWE. Yes, and going back even further, he was on Tough Enough back when TE was a real show.

Chris BenHass...he could hang himself with a weight set!

<size=1>(Too soon?)</size>

= J

How about the Blue Hasser, have him come down from the rafters

*looks behind my back for scott hall*

Scott Hall on Monday Night Raw? Not the real one.

http://www.wrestlingworld.it/Historical/wwhallofshame/fakedieselfakerazorramon/fakedieselfakeramon_file/image001.jpg

Christian would be great back in wwe....

Christian would be great, but Vince will probably punish him for leaving WWE.

By the way, I just watched the first episode of the Hogan Celebrity wrestling show. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either. What made me almost puke was Bubba the Love Sponge as commentator. In one part of the show, he compared Danny Bonaduce to Brian Pillman.

I'd like to see Christian back in the WWE. I'd also like to see the Machine Guns, Matt Morgan, and AJ Stiles in the WWE. I doubt that AJ would ever come as he is sort of a foundation of TNA. The Machine Guns would jump at the chance, wouldn't they?

I could see Christian going back. The rest, might sign with WWE, but WWE would issue each of them new gimmicks and names. Then when they didn't get over with the fans, WWE would blame them, give them their walking papers and they'd end up right back in TNA. I'd say they should all stay put where they are.

I must be missing something... the guy has a seizure and needs medical attention, and that's a knock on his character? Is it because he didn't take his meds or something?Pro wrestling internet sites report that the seizure Cade had was caused from him snorting coke. Don't know if this is true or not, just reporting what I read. If it is true, I can't feel sorry for Cade. He had a dream job and pissed it away by taking drugs on a plane full of people. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer if this is what really happened.

I was gonna say it was probably cocaine.

And that Hulk Hogan CCW was absolutely awful.

Yeah. I thought it was funny that they were referring to kicks to the gut, forearm smashes and clotheslines as though they were very technical moves. They have their place of course, but you can't make a match out of just those moves. Well, I guess Ultimate Warrior could, but then that's another story. Beefcake and Knobbs are just not the best guys they could have training people to wrestle. Neither one of those guys was a technical wrestler. I do have to say that Bonnduce loooked like he had potential. He sold the moves pretty well.

The best part of CCW was Knobbs sucking wind after teaching the kick to the gut.

When did Funaki become Kung Fu Naki?

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/funaki/bio/

Kizarny?

Are you serious? That little rant he had sounded SO forced, it was HORRIBLE! (Not saying it'd be easy to do, but since it sounds so bad, SCRAP the gimmick now!)

(And is anyone else tired of the Greg-i-cane in the little bubble in the corner of the screen?)

And that Hulk Hogan CCW was absolutely awful.
I kinda wished I could have gone to a taping.

WWE is promoting their 800th episode, which is going to be a 3 hour show, with Jericho vs Batista and DX vs Miz and Morrison. Why do I feel that DX is going to ruin any kind of momemtum that a decent tag team like Miz and Morrison and squash them?

WWE is promoting their 800th episode, which is going to be a 3 hour show, with Jericho vs Batista and DX vs Miz and Morrison. Why do I feel that DX is going to ruin any kind of momemtum that a decent tag team like Miz and Morrison and squash them?Dammit, that sucks. Miz and Morrison are one of my favorite things going and I doubt anything good will come out of a DX beating.

When did Funaki become Kung Fu Naki?

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/funaki/bio/

Ron "R-Truth" Killings gave him the name a week or two ago on SD! in a backstage segment

Well, Raw can't help but get better. Opening up with a divas tag team match and Jillian singing is fucking stupid.

Stone Cold Steve Hasstin

:lol:

So this whole thing with Haas is just the WWE reminding fans of better days and better characters?

dear lord, who wants to bet DX returns next week to squash miz and morrison?

So this whole thing with Haas is just the WWE reminding fans of better days and better characters?

Pretty sad, but they can't figure out why more people enjoyed and watched wrestling throughout the 80s/early 90s and the Attitude Era.

Some suggestions:

1.) The titles have little to no value anymore.
2.) The brand split sucks and makes each show too repetitive every week.
3.) The lack of heel commentators boggles my mind. I'm sick of Lawler btw.
4.) Remember the segments on Prime Time/Raw between Monsoon and Heenan? That made the shows must watch tv for me every week.
5.) The tag division, which Vince received high praised for during the late 80s to early 90s, has become dust in the wind.
6.) The "Divas" are a joke. I enjoyed them during the Sunny/Sable/Marlena years, even to the Bra&Panty years, but passing most of them off as legitimate wrestlers now is just stupid. Worse yet is the ones with talent being kept down over the years for playboy girls. (Victoria, Mickie James, Ivory) They should just go back to selling the T&A matches.
7.) Too many PPVs, and too many matches from PPVs are given out on the weekly shows anyway. Why pay for it?

What the fuck is this Gauntlet? Is creative just shitting on Adamle with this concept? What is the point of making Batista and Henry wrestle againts the same opponent back to back?

What the fuck is this Gauntlet? Is creative just shitting on Adamle with this concept? What is the point of making Batista and Henry wrestle againts the same opponent back to back?I've been flipping forth between this and the game but I have absolutely no idea what's going on here.

another thing that WWE has done: become predictable.

Jericho jobbed today, so he will win Sunday at Text your vote Sunday!

another thing that WWE has done: become predictable.

Jericho jobbed today, so he will win Sunday at Text your vote Sunday!Well, I mean I guess that's true, but would you want Jericho to drop the title already?

If Jericho doesn't retain on Sunday, they've just made him look like a sack of shit.
I wish to God that WWE would grant Batista the time off he reportedly wants. I'm sick to death of him. He sucks balls. He's got no charisma and he might be slightly better in the ring than the Ultimate Warrior was. When WWF had guys like Austin, Shawn, Bret...etc, Batista would have been a mid-carder at best. The same goes for JBL...actually come to think of it, JBL was a jobber to the stars back then. It's amazing how the turds can rise to the top when there's little depth in the talent pool.

another thing that WWE has done: become predictable.

Jericho jobbed today, so he will win Sunday at Text your vote Sunday!

But it has ALWAYS been what way. I call it the beat down rule. He who gets beat down the show before the ppv, wins 95% of the time

Well, I mean I guess that's true, but would you want Jericho to drop the title already?

I want Jericho to retain, but I don't want WWE to make it that obvious.

When WWF had guys like Austin, Shawn, Bret...etc, Batista would have been a mid-carder at best.

Deacon Batista, anyone?

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/bautista.jpg

Am I the only one who finds it mildly annoying when Lillian Garcia over emphasizes her phrasing when she introduces hispanic wrestlers like Rey Mysterio and Carlito? She doesn't do it any other time and when she talks normally, she doesn't do it either. I know it's nitpicky, but she does it every damn week. Well, not with Carlito now since he's off of Raw, but she used to do it with his mane too.

Am I the only one who finds it mildly annoying when Lillian Garcia over emphasizes her phrasing when she introduces hispanic wrestlers like Rey Mysterio and Carlito? She doesn't do it any other time and when she talks normally, she doesn't do it either. I know it's nitpicky, but she does it every damn week. Well, not with Carlito now since he's off of Raw, but she used to do it with his mane too.

The thing is that she is pronouncing their names correctly. Latinos pronouce the R strongly and she is doing that.

I think Vince just likes Goldb.. er, I meant Batista's music. That has to be it. I dunno. I'm just trying to think of why I have to see him six times in one 2-hour program.

I didn't think Vince even watched anymore.

WWE is promoting their 800th episode, which is going to be a 3 hour show, with Jericho vs Batista and DX vs Miz and Morrison. Why do I feel that DX is going to ruin any kind of momemtum that a decent tag team like Miz and Morrison and squash them?-ohbfrank- Stupid, stupid, stupid. Miz and Morrison are the best thing going in the tag team division and DX will squash them like a bug. It makes no sense at all.

I want Jericho to retain, but I don't want WWE to make it that obvious.Fair enough, but wouldn't it just bury Batista more to have him take a loss going into the PPV and then on the PPV again? I agree it's predictable, but as long as it's the right overall decision (Jericho better keep that belt), I'm ok with it.

I didn't think Vince even watched anymore.

If I were Vince, I'd be watching Raw shows from ten years ago and figuring out what I was doing then that I'm NOT doing now or vice versa. I will say that the ppv matches have been solid the last couple of months. But on a week to week basis the storylines and angles leading into the ppv's have all sucked with the exception of Jericho and Michaels. The tag titles mean nothing, nor do the IC and US titles. And for the love of God, why do they need 2 women's titles? They already had one women's title that the fans don't give a shit about...they weren't pining for another.
I hate Miz (not as a heel, but as in he tempts me to change the channel), but he and Morrison are getting over with the fans and you can bet your asses that HBK and HHH will put an end to that real quick. There's no two guys better than DX to knock the wind right out of the sails of any tag team that are getting over. While they're at it, they should also throw DiBiase and Rhodes in there too and have DX beat both teams in 10 minutes or less. Make it a handicap match too, just to really make the tag divison look even shittier.
I want a strong tag team division in the WWE. I wish to God that someone in WWE would wake the fuck up and see how they have miserably failed in this area.

Fair enough, but wouldn't it just bury Batista more to have him take a loss going into the PPV and then on the PPV again? I agree it's predictable, but as long as it's the right overall decision (Jericho better keep that belt), I'm ok with it.

You do it the old school way. Don't let Batista and Jericho be in the ring againts each other or tag teaming or whaterver that Gauntlet shit was last night. The best way to keep this unpredictable is to carry both main eventers with momentum to the PPV. Make Batista defeat someone like Kane, Mark Henry or any other mid-upper carder in a dominant way. Then do the same with Jericho. Both main eventers don't cross path until the PPV and it will give this anyone can win aura to the match.

You do it the old school way. Don't let Batista and Jericho be in the ring againts each other or tag teaming or whaterver that Gauntlet shit was last night. The best way to keep this unpredictable is to carry both main eventers with momentum to the PPV. Make Batista defeat someone like Kane, Mark Henry or any other mid-upper carder in a dominant way. Then do the same with Jericho. Both main eventers don't cross path until the PPV and it will give this anyone can win aura to the match.Good points. I don't know anyone who could argue for that gauntlet match, that was beyond idiotic and counter-productive. For some reason WWE usually uses the 'keep the guys away from each other feud' for big PPVs like WM, but I agree that it is way too predictable.

Santino busting himself open with the guitar looked pretty nasty and dramatic at the same time.

I followed wrestling closely from 1989 (I started watching the NWA just when the Flair-Funk feud started) until the mid-90's and watched occasionally until the end of WCW.

The last couple weeks I've TIVO'd the WWE shows and Impact and, not to be a dick about it, but I can't believe how bad the current product is. The most entertaining thing for me has been the JBL-Charlie Haas segments. It makes it worse to know that this generation of wrestlers may be the best athletes ever in the sport but the booking is so horribly bad that all the ability is just wasted. On top of it all, I find the random zooming in and camera shaking in the WWE to be absolutely annoying.

I'll give it a few more weeks because I really want to enjoy it. I'll probably pick up some ROH dvd's because the little bit I've seen seems to be light-years ahead of the WWE and TNA.

not to be a dick about it, but I can't believe how bad the current product is.

It doesn't mean you're being a dick, it just means you have eyes and can see. Even die-hard fans have to admit that each week Raw just gets more boring. It's universal at this point.

Santino busting himself open with the guitar looked pretty nasty and dramatic at the same time.

Yeah, this week, he just wasn't as funny as he as been. In HD, the cut looked even worse. It looked it like it was talking to me.

I've been a pro wrestling fan ever since I was a kid and the current product is the worst i've ever seen. It only became this way when Vince took out WCW and ECW. With no one to compete with, Vince seems not to care if WWE is putting out crap each and every week.

If only TNA could catch on and be on the same playing field as WWE, we might could see better wrestling shows that the BS we see today.

could be good news, don't think it'll ever happen
from this weeks observer
"
There are at least very preliminary talks that have been started regarding ROH and a national TV outlet. I don’t know if anything will come of it and it’s not the kind of a deal with a station that has enough exposure at this time that it’s going to put them on the map as any kind of competitor to TNA for No. 2, but it’s a step. The one thing is if the station will help upgrade the production of the big shows, that’s a positive. The negative with ROH as far as being on a national platform is that almost none of the guys look like what the general public wants and expects top pro wrestlers to look like. The positive is the crowd response at the big shows is consistently good. Even with an even playing field, in a TNA comparison, star power (Sting, Foley, Angle, etc.) means more to the average fan than good matches or more consistency in the booking."

If ROH gets a TV deal (without having to change its current product) it automatically leapfrogs TNA for the No. 2 promotion. I'll take ROH's talent over TNA's star power any day.

Did anyone see the Brock Lesnar ESPN interview? Just by what he said, don't expect him back in the wrestling ring ever. He whined extensively about how he had to wrestle through injuries in his 2 year stint at WWE that made him drink vodka and take pain pills constantly and when asked about steroids, he just walked out of the interview. He still together with Rena Mero, who apparently still goes with that surname even though she divorced Marc around 10 years ago. Yes, he is real bitter about pro wrestling. Still, i'm a little glad this came out to the public because it shows how Vince is blinded by big men and forget that the business is made of people that have passion for it, not flash in the pan like Lesnar, Nathan Jones, and others that have shown complete disdain of the business as soon as their pushes come to an end.

so i flciked on impact which is live in lv, at the hard rock (which is wherer ufc fight night used to be taped), that place looks smaller then hte impact zone.

They made a good decision putting Love and Sky out there. Holy crap they looked unbelievable :drool:.

But you're right the Joint looked much tinier than it usually does for UFC events.

lucky bastard for you getting it in hd. still standard for me, no hd for comcast. I assume also Tenay and West look hidious in hd.

so a friggin championshlp belt is the big surprise?

so a friggin championshlp belt is the big surprise?Yeah that's been the rumor for a while. I had to take a phone call so I didn't hear what Booker and Christian were talking about, but I thought it was a nice looking belt other than the red strap.

Someone needs to fix TNA!!! 5 straight promos!!! (Main Event Mafia, Foley, Booker T / Christian, Morgan and Abyss, Jarret). It's suppose to be their spectacular show, so shut the fuck up and start wrestling!!! Sell your main fucking asset!!! Damn!!!!

And the announcement most likely will be a complete dissapointment.

Damn, Lethal dropped pretty easy there. I hope they place more emphasis on the XDivision, but I don't think Bashir is the guy to run with.

Yeah that's been the rumor for a while. I had to take a phone call so I didn't hear what Booker and Christian were talking about, but I thought it was a nice looking belt other than the red strap.

something about a match at the next ppv for the belt, if christian wins, he gets the belt, if Booker wins, Christian has to join the main event mafia.

^ Thanks for the recap. Nothing wrong with continuing the Booker/Christian feud, other than wondering how long Christian is going to stick around.

And I've got to say TNA did a hell of a job with the HD from what I've seen. No audio/video issues, haven't seen any compression, and it looks freaking great.

New "rules" in wwe

Tough To Be A Heel In WWE, More Rule Changes
10/23/2008 by Bill Behrens

As we reported earlier punches are now legal in WWE, which was a good change.

But it is getting tougher to be a heel in WWE given some other rule changes that are automatic DQs if seen by the ref.

There has already been at least one DQ finish for a heel using a handful of tights and being caught by the ref.

Choking with the hands or using the ropes to choke will be a DQ instead of a 5 count, if seen by the ref, and just added to the growing list are eye poke or rakes and throwing someone into the ringposts outside the ring. Both now will lead to a DQ too.

So WWE heels will need to get very sneaky now, or refs need to be easily distracted or both.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=226799215

also, they are no longer sports entertainers, now they are just entertainers. I guess THATS why RAW has been lacking good wrestling the past few weeks







"Sports Entertainment" Added to the Banned List in WWE
10/23/2008 by Nick Paglino

source: the wrestling observer

It is now being reported that in addition to the wrestlers in WWE now being referred to as "entertainers," Vince McMahon has issued a mandate stating that the phrase "sports entertainment" will no longer be used and from now on the product will be referred to as simply "entertainment."

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=226806286

lol. i heard also Vince hired Freddie Prinz Jr to teach the "entertainers" to be better actors.

They're going to have to put up with an assload of booing over bullshit finishes until those changes are around a while.

You know, I watched TNA off an on through the summer, and there were some good shows, but this shit tonight...for a supposedly BIG show, has sucked hard. Even for someone like me, who by now is used to endless promos and skits, I am just flat out bored. How the hell are you going to get NEW viewers?

and whats the point of all the text voting on the match, when we all know that its already planned in advanced.

Was I supposed to be impressed by that dive over the rope. If I was the Dudley's I'd be too embarassed to sell it.

Twice they have to sell a shitty move from LAX :)

well LAX are going to be in both ROH shows this weekend, so they'll prob do better, and am actually looking forward to those 2 matches.

I love the E C Dub chant the mark they had on the industry is still there.

I don't hate LAX it just was lazy and 80's too me

way to disapoint the fans, teasing the fire spot, and then not do it.

way to disapoint the fans, teasing the fire spot, and then not do it.That made no sense, they were fine with the table spot until they busted out the lighter fluid.

wow, Jerrett actually getting some face pops? Reember when he was the most hated man in the company.

New "rules" in wwe

Tough To Be A Heel In WWE, More Rule Changes
10/23/2008 by Bill Behrens

As we reported earlier punches are now legal in WWE, which was a good change.

But it is getting tougher to be a heel in WWE given some other rule changes that are automatic DQs if seen by the ref.

There has already been at least one DQ finish for a heel using a handful of tights and being caught by the ref.

Choking with the hands or using the ropes to choke will be a DQ instead of a 5 count, if seen by the ref, and just added to the growing list are eye poke or rakes and throwing someone into the ringposts outside the ring. Both now will lead to a DQ too.

So WWE heels will need to get very sneaky now, or refs need to be easily distracted or both.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=226799215

also, they are no longer sports entertainers, now they are just entertainers. I guess THATS why RAW has been lacking good wrestling the past few weeks







"Sports Entertainment" Added to the Banned List in WWE
10/23/2008 by Nick Paglino

source: the wrestling observer

It is now being reported that in addition to the wrestlers in WWE now being referred to as "entertainers," Vince McMahon has issued a mandate stating that the phrase "sports entertainment" will no longer be used and from now on the product will be referred to as simply "entertainment."

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=226806286

Pwinsider explains the change to "entertainers"

WHY WWE IS NOW CALLING THEIR WRESTLERS 'ENTERTAINERS'
by Mike Johnson @ 2008-10-22 17:49:09

World Wrestling Entertainment informed all of their announcers this week to refer to their talent as "entertainers" as opposed to wrestlers or even Superstars, effective immediately.

According to numerous sources, the decision is part of a organized plan of attack towards getting WWE as a company re-classified as an entertainment touring event, as posed to a legitimate sporting event.

The internal hope within WWE management is that by doing this, they will take power away from the Athletic Commissions in certain States and keep the company from having to pay taxes on their events.

Obviously, this would also have the company benefit of preventing WWE from being held to the letter of the law in States like Georgia, who's Athletic Commission is looking at putting stricter restrictions on the professional wrestling industry following the Chris Benoit incident.

We'll have to see what comes of this and whether the strategy could even work, but that's why the change was made

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=34163&p=1

To me, it seems that Vince is poised on driving the wrestling fans away. I can't fanthom any other explanation for the decisions he is making where his product is not wrestling, but entertainment. Entertainment, really? Vince has to look again to the Raw ratings of this past Monday to see how his entertainment product is losing customers.

I can't remember the last time anyone here has actually discussed Impact this much.
-eek-

I'm pretty sure I read a report that the change to "entertainers" is about going around the rules and regulations of representing themselves as any kind of sport. I think it's actually more about finding ways to keep costs down while the ratings and economy are nose diving. Their PPV revenue is outstanding, but I can't imagine that luxury purchase staying high while the economy keeps having these issues.

I still can't decide if I think Taylor Wilde is hot or not. HD is helping me lean a bit towards not that hot, but it's hard to compare when the first HD image I saw was Sky and Love.

i wonder, does anyone younger then 20 know who Nick Bockwinkle is?

Main Event Mafia is kind of catchy, I like it.

I really hope they follow through on this angle, I love huge over-arching angles that make the matches seem to matter. That legends belt looks more swank each time I see it.

Don't like the Main Even Mafia name...a little too soon after the bad taste of Voodoo Kin Mafia.

That was nice of Earl to pick up Joe's blade right in front of the camera

WOW, Foley owns a part of TNA!!! What a epic failure this night was.

WOW, Foley owns a part of TNA!!! What a epic failure this night was.

I liked this better when Shane did it on Nitro

TNA needs someone like Heyman to produce the show. TNA talks too much. The announcers talk too much, the wrestlers talk too much. They have potential. They have very good wrestlers, they have veterans but they need to focus on what are the feuds and plan them long term. The old school vs rising stars could be good if done properly.

I liked this better when Shane did it on Nitro

Yep, good to see they are finally catching up to WWE... circa 2001.

That was nice of Earl to pick up Joe's blade right in front of the camerayeah, and AJ's hands were so far in front of him when the belt "hit his head" that it was a blade job.

I can't remember the last time anyone here has actually discussed Impact this much.
-eek-

I guess people like me were expecting something unexpected since it was a live show, but once again we are dissapointed that it was just another Impact.

<====== Liked it :) (but I like most everything, to be fair)

And I think I'll keep it on the DVR for a little while just for extra Love and Sky in HD... hoochie mama.

I'm pretty sure I read a report that the change to "entertainers" is about going around the rules and regulations of representing themselves as any kind of sport. I think it's actually more about finding ways to keep costs down while the ratings and economy are nose diving. Their PPV revenue is outstanding, but I can't imagine that luxury purchase staying high while the economy keeps having these issues.


Well, they are not wrestlers anymore, but "entertainers". Shoudn't they change the name of the company to the WEE already? It worked for Nintendo.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are doing this so they have control over who does the drug testing. As you mentioned they don't want to be classified as a sport. They want to be looked at like regular television programming.

So next month should we expect to see the "wrestling" thread in TV Talk? :lol:

well, tna still kind of promotes it as wresting, and ROH prides itself making wrestling look like a sport.

I'm fine with "entertainers."

The show is not a sport. It's a TV show that happens to take place within a fictional sport.

Just like Grey's Anatomy is a TV show that happens to take place in a fictional hospital and just like WKRP in Cincinnati is a TV show that happened to take place in a fictional radio station.

The only difference is that WWE's tv show has a live audience.

Complaining about booking is kinda silly, unless you're talking about a lack of entertainment value. That's a legit discussion.

The political stuff though and whining about DX killing tag teams... whatever. Really, nobody complains that Patrick Dempsey is burying another actor if his character gets to do the surgery instead of the other guy.

Just watch and be entertained--or don't be. Whining about burying, killing divisions, etc is a waste of time cuz nothing's changing.

I'm fine with "entertainers."

The show is not a sport. It's a TV show that happens to take place within a fictional sport.

Just like Grey's Anatomy is a TV show that happens to take place in a fictional hospital and just like WKRP in Cincinnati is a TV show that happened to take place in a fictional radio station.

The only difference is that WWE's tv show has a live audience.

Complaining about booking is kinda silly, unless you're talking about a lack of entertainment value. That's a legit discussion.

The political stuff though and whining about DX killing tag teams... whatever. Really, nobody complains that Patrick Dempsey is burying another actor if his character gets to do the surgery instead of the other guy.

Just watch and be entertained--or don't be. Whining about burying, killing divisions, etc is a waste of time cuz nothing's changing.

Of course actors complain. Why the hell do you think channels like E! or sites like TMZ exist? Katherine Heigl complaining that her character wasn't getting good storylines. Backstage politics and catfighting between Lindsey Lohan and America Ferrara. Halle Berry complains that her Storm character in X-Men needed more attention if the studio wanted her to do the third sequel. The same thing goes in wrestling. Bad storylines for many wrestlers and fans like us complain. People complained when Lost and Heroes where having mediocre second seasons.

The fact is that everything can be entertainment. Reality show, sports, sitcoms, opera, etc, but you don't see David Stern going on about how the NBA is not basketball, is entertainment. To make his product succesful it has to be both, especially more basketball than entertainment, so both loyal and casual fans stick to the product. The same thing has to apply to WWE. Vince has to stop kidding himself that his fucking product "is not wrestling, is entertainment". They are fucking both, but the first have to be wrestling and second entertainment. That is why the product was mega succesful in the 80's and late 90's.

The Rock's grandmother, Leah Maivia, died at age 81.

Does anyone think that, aside from being stupid, the Great Khali Kiss Cam is a offensive? Normally, I don't care about having a little bit of off color stuff in WWE but it seems like they are just mocking overweight women. In my opinion, there is no need to bring them into the ring to do it.

So, when is Vince going to turn Raw and SD into sketch comedy shows, ala SNL? That's basically where it's going at this point. Ab