After Mondays loss to the Bears which they should of won but didn't and carry a 2-2 record things are looking a bit bleak for them. They should be 3-1, possibly 4-0 but in typical Phily fashion, 2-2 is where they stand. With all the injuries and mis-management they have I don't see them doing a whole lot.
With Westbrook questionable again for this week in a must game vs. Washington they really don't have anyone to take his place.
How can a team with so many holes not draft a first round pick in each of the last two years? They will win a few of their games but they will not get over the hump to go all the way.
The mis-management of the front office will not allow it. All they care about is doing just enough to reel people in to take their money but won't do enough to go all the way. So rest easy Eagle fans, it's the same old nonsense that happens every year. Nothing will change until Reid and the people above him are removed. And even then, I don't know.
starman9000
09-30-08, 02:51 PM
Come watch the Vikings and your beefs will fit much better. You also need to change those "shoulds" to "coulds."
twikoff
09-30-08, 03:12 PM
The mis-management of the front office will not allow it. All they care about is doing just enough to reel people in to take their money but won't do enough to go all the way. So rest easy Eagle fans, it's the same old nonsense that happens every year. Nothing will change until Reid and the people above him are removed. And even then, I don't know.
i hear matt millen is looking for a job
CRM114
09-30-08, 03:22 PM
Come watch the Vikings and your beefs will fit much better. You also need to change those "shoulds" to "coulds."
The usual Negadelphia sentiment. I've lived through some bad times as an Eagles fan. These are good times. Great times. Could they do things better? Sure. But the front office is not responsible for "one of the best O-lines" in the league to get s 1st and goal from the 1. Sorry.
JOE29
09-30-08, 03:55 PM
There's a reason why we are so negative. Who's is the only team in the NFC East not to win a Super Bowl? Ever? If you think these are good times you're sadly mistaken.
They'll just rake in the money, they don't need to do anything different, year after year the same old thing.
The Bus
09-30-08, 04:53 PM
Eh. Any of the Reid seasons is better than most of the stuff under Ray Rhodes.
tbone
09-30-08, 06:38 PM
They should be 3-1, possibly 4-0 but in typical Phily fashion, 2-2 is where they stand.
Woulda, coulda, should of. I disagree that they could possibly be 4-0 or 3-1. Dallas out slugged them; no surprise. Chicago, while an underdog, came in firing the ball, and their defense finally played up to their capability.
You could easily say the Bears should be 4-0, and possibly find some other teams that could/should be 3-1, 4-0. That's why they play the game!
And yes, I'm a Bears fan...
The Cow
09-30-08, 07:46 PM
Eh. Any of the Reid seasons is better than most of the stuff under Ray Rhodes.
I'd say the Buddy Ryan years were the most entertaining.
CRM114
09-30-08, 10:02 PM
There's a reason why we are so negative. Who's is the only team in the NFC East not to win a Super Bowl? Ever? If you think these are good times you're sadly mistaken.
They'll just rake in the money, they don't need to do anything different, year after year the same old thing.
Dude, do you remember Pat Ryan? How about Brad Goebbel? Or do you remember when our team was led by Jim McMahon? Bobby Hoying? Ty Detmer? Rodney Peete? Let's not even go pre-Jaworski. 4 NFC title games and a Super Bowl appearance are fantastic times when compared with those. Savor it while it is here. It will not last for long.
As for the pathetic title drought, don't blame the Birds. It's all four sports. Those championships sneak up when you least expect them - ask the Giants fans.
CRM114
09-30-08, 10:06 PM
Woulda, coulda, should of. I disagree that they could possibly be 4-0 or 3-1. Dallas out slugged them; no surprise. Chicago, while an underdog, came in firing the ball, and their defense finally played up to their capability.
You could easily say the Bears should be 4-0, and possibly find some other teams that could/should be 3-1, 4-0. That's why they play the game!
And yes, I'm a Bears fan...
Please. Lets not get carried away. The Eagles were Brian Westbrook away from a total blowout in Chicago. Hell, even without arguably the most dangerous player in the NFL, they came one pathetic goal line stand from taking the game.
Jericho
09-30-08, 10:35 PM
It's a brutal division, but the Eagles have played really well so far. You do wonder if giving away the Chicago game will come back to haunt them. The Football Outsiders have a stats the measures overall team play. So far, the Eagles rank 3rd in the entire NFL. The bad news? New York Giants are 2nd, Washington is 7, and Dallas is 8. And at a minimium one of them doesn't make the playoffs.
Still, the Eagles "problems" are pretty minor compared to most NFL cities.
CRM114
09-30-08, 10:40 PM
I agree. The question is which of the NFC East team is going to fold under the pressure? So far, it has been the Eagles. Seems most of the Eagles' non-division games the rest of the season are against pretty weak teams.
rocketsauce
09-30-08, 11:14 PM
It's a brutal division, but the Eagles have played really well so far. You do wonder if giving away the Chicago game will come back to haunt them. The Football Outsiders have a stats the measures overall team play. So far, the Eagles rank 3rd in the entire NFL. The bad news? New York Giants are 2nd, Washington is 7, and Dallas is 8. And at a minimium one of them doesn't make the playoffs.
Still, the Eagles "problems" are pretty minor compared to most NFL cities.
Explain to me how you "gave away" a game you NEVER lead? I think you are taking this sentiment and opinion that you were "supposed" to win a little too far.
Jericho
09-30-08, 11:27 PM
Explain to me how you "gave away" a game you NEVER lead? I think you are taking this sentiment and opinion that you were "supposed" to win a little too far.
Because they outplayed the Bears. They outgained them, won the turnover battle, and lead in time of possession. By any metric, they should have won that game. But they didn't.
What are you a Bears fan that feels somehow slighted?
tbone
10-01-08, 09:43 AM
If they outplayed the Bears, they would have reached the endzone on that goal-line stance where they failed on fourth down from 1 yard away. Step outside your Philly Fan Box and examine your team as a non-biased individual. They straight up lost that game. No way the "handed" the Bears a win. If you truly believe this, you also probably believe that KC got lucky against Denver.
twikoff
10-01-08, 09:55 AM
By any metric, they should have won that game.
not points scored -ptth-
JOE29
10-01-08, 10:50 AM
Dude, do you remember Pat Ryan? How about Brad Goebbel? Or do you remember when our team was led by Jim McMahon? Bobby Hoying? Ty Detmer? Rodney Peete? Let's not even go pre-Jaworski. 4 NFC title games and a Super Bowl appearance are fantastic times when compared with those. Savor it while it is here. It will not last for long.
As for the pathetic title drought, don't blame the Birds. It's all four sports. Those championships sneak up when you least expect them - ask the Giants fans.
I agree.
rocketsauce
10-01-08, 11:00 AM
If they outplayed the Bears, they would have reached the endzone on that goal-line stance where they failed on fourth down from 1 yard away. Step outside your Philly Fan Box and examine your team as a non-biased individual. They straight up lost that game. No way the "handed" the Bears a win. If you truly believe this, you also probably believe that KC got lucky against Denver.
Exactly. You can muddle together 18,000 stats about the game. The final score dictates the outcome.
And no I don't feel slighted in the least bit. I am a Bears fan and will be the first to admit we are playing above our expectations. I don't expect it to last all season, but won't be shocked if it does. When I went to the game on Sunday I didn't expect the outcome, but would never say we got handed the game.
If you want to talk about getting handed something let's talk about the last two NL East Divisions the Phillies have won...
(rhetorical; not trying to hijack thread, just making point)
rocketsauce
10-05-08, 04:07 PM
So did you guys "hand" the game to the Redskins today?
Deftones
10-05-08, 04:14 PM
Well, they had 3rd and inches on the 1 and couldn't punch it in with Westbrook and settled for a FG. Not sure that's handing them they game, but had they scored that TD the outcome might have been different.
CRM114
10-05-08, 05:23 PM
So did you guys "hand" the game to the Redskins today?
Pretty much. Although I hav to admit the Redskins are a much better team than the Bears. The Bears would have packed it in if they were down 14 zip.
CRM114
10-05-08, 05:28 PM
If you want to talk about getting handed something let's talk about the last two NL East Divisions the Phillies have won...
(rhetorical; not trying to hijack thread, just making point)
Please. You obviously weren't paying attention. The only thing that got "handed" was the Cubs' ass right back to them. :lol:
JOE29
10-05-08, 07:14 PM
Why did the referee's pick up the flag on Johnson's punt return for TD?
Take away that and it would of been 23-10.
The Eagles did nothing in the 2nd half. As a matter of fact, after the first quarter they did nothing.
Quake1028
10-05-08, 07:20 PM
So, according to CRM, every game the Eagles lose they gave away to the other team for some reason :lol:?
CRM114
10-05-08, 07:35 PM
If "every" means the two in question.
The Cow
10-05-08, 08:37 PM
Dallas, Chicago, and Washington beat the Eagles. Nothing crazy or special that doesn't happen in other NFL games, they just won. What's the issue?
Philly had a good win against Pittsburgh. And a whatever win against the Rams. :shrug:
rocketsauce
10-05-08, 10:06 PM
Please. You obviously weren't paying attention. The only thing that got "handed" was the Cubs' ass right back to them. :lol:
Actually I was paying attention. Not sure what you don't get. Keep on giving Philadelphia that classy rap you guys are known for.
You might want to tell the team they should probably stop giving games to the other teams. Don't get me wrong we appreciate it and are humbled in your generous presence, but it might be hard to make the playoffs if you keep doing it.
Tarantino
10-05-08, 10:33 PM
The Eagles...:lol:
They're a middle class team that won't make the playoffs. That is all.
= J
CRM114
10-05-08, 11:42 PM
Actually I was paying attention. Not sure what you don't get. Keep on giving Philadelphia that classy rap you guys are known for.
Then you wouldn't say something as asinine as the NL East was handed to the Phillies this season. All I know is I'll be watching this motley crew of MVPs and All-Stars in the NLCS on Thursday - they must have some modicum of talent.
"Classy rap?" What? Are you going to give me snowballs at Santa Claus now? Please tell me you are not going to give me snowballs at Santa Claus!
:lol:
The Cow
10-05-08, 11:45 PM
Can we get back to the thread point? Eagles? :lol:
CRM114
10-05-08, 11:49 PM
The Eagles...:lol:
They're a middle class team that won't make the playoffs. That is all.
= J
I said as much in post 12. The NFC East is stacked. Dallas has the talent. NY has the title and Washington looks like it has something with Campbell. He has poise and doesn't get flustered anymore. Eagles are the team that have no consistency.
The Cow
10-05-08, 11:56 PM
I said as much in post 12. The NFC East is stacked. Dallas has the talent. NY has the title and Washington looks like it has something with Campbell. He has poise and doesn't get flustered anymore. Eagles are the team that have no consistency.
Eagles are the team that have 2 great players that have very questionable history of remaining healthy for a season. And really the Eagles "are" whatever Westbrook brings. That's it.
CRM114
10-06-08, 12:04 AM
Eagles are the team that have 2 great players that have very questionable history of remaining healthy for a season. And really the Eagles "are" whatever Westbrook brings. That's it.
That about sums it up. Add to that a defense that is completely inconsistent and a once great kicker that has lost the ability to kick field goals over 40 yards.
clappj
10-06-08, 10:51 AM
I think some of you guys are underestimating the Eagles this year.
Looks like they're on track to make the playoffs...then blow it like they always do! LOL!
;)
coli
10-06-08, 10:58 AM
I've been an Eagles fan my whole life, and it is time for Reid to go after the season. The guy has been here for 10 years, and the team has been on a downslide since going to the Superbowl 4 years ago.
The problem with Reid, and why he will never win a Superbowl, is that he is so damned hard-headed and wont adjust from his flaws. He won't go out and get that #1 receiver, and would rather have McNabb spread the ball around to 5 different receivers. He won't go after a big time TE in the draft, as all the successfull teams have a great TE: Witten, Cooley, etc. He won't draft that pass rusher, as the Eagles only get pressure when they blitz. He won't run the ball on a consistent basis, so every team knows they will pass 60% of the game, so there is no threat of them worrying about the run.
Andy Reid is a good coach, and he had his run with the eagles from 2001-2004, but it is time for a change, it is time to get rid of those mediocre receivers like Greg Lewis. I am sick of seeing the average LJ Smith catch 2 passes every week, while Jason Witten catches 8 for Dallas. I am sick of the Eagles not being able to stop the run, as Portis ran all over them yesterday. And I am sick of Andy Reid getting out-coached in the second half as the opposing team makes adjustments and he keeps the same gameplan from the week.
I don't know why Lurie is married to Andy Reid, cause if the Eagles don't make the playoffs this year, this will make 3 of the last 4 years out of the playoffs, most coaches get fired for those results.
dom56
10-06-08, 11:36 AM
Eagles are going to beat my Niners next Sunday. :(
Fuck Nolan. I hope he get his ass fired!! :mad:
Quake1028
10-06-08, 12:04 PM
I think some of you guys are underestimating the Eagles this year.
Looks like they're on track to make the playoffs...then blow it like they always do! LOL!
;)
How exactly are they on track to make the playoffs? They are 4th in their own DIVISION, multiple games behind everyone else. They are 12th in the conference right now. They aren't on pace for anything at this moment but a mid-round draft pick.
The Cow
10-06-08, 01:33 PM
How exactly are they on track to make the playoffs? They are 4th in their own DIVISION, multiple games behind everyone else. They are 12th in the conference right now. They aren't on pace for anything at this moment but a mid-round draft pick.
And Westbrook has 2 fractured ribs...
JOE29
10-06-08, 02:12 PM
I've been an Eagles fan my whole life, and it is time for Reid to go after the season. The guy has been here for 10 years, and the team has been on a downslide since going to the Superbowl 4 years ago.
The problem with Reid, and why he will never win a Superbowl, is that he is so damned hard-headed and wont adjust from his flaws. He won't go out and get that #1 receiver, and would rather have McNabb spread the ball around to 5 different receivers. He won't go after a big time TE in the draft, as all the successfull teams have a great TE: Witten, Cooley, etc. He won't draft that pass rusher, as the Eagles only get pressure when they blitz. He won't run the ball on a consistent basis, so every team knows they will pass 60% of the game, so there is no threat of them worrying about the run.
Andy Reid is a good coach, and he had his run with the eagles from 2001-2004, but it is time for a change, it is time to get rid of those mediocre receivers like Greg Lewis. I am sick of seeing the average LJ Smith catch 2 passes every week, while Jason Witten catches 8 for Dallas. I am sick of the Eagles not being able to stop the run, as Portis ran all over them yesterday. And I am sick of Andy Reid getting out-coached in the second half as the opposing team makes adjustments and he keeps the same gameplan from the week.
I don't know why Lurie is married to Andy Reid, cause if the Eagles don't make the playoffs this year, this will make 3 of the last 4 years out of the playoffs, most coaches get fired for those results.
And they still wont draft a first round pick because they would have to pay him first round money. That's why they trade out of the first round the past two seasons. They're a cheap originzation that will do just enough to make people over pay to see them play. But won't do what it takes to go all the way.
CRM114
10-06-08, 02:15 PM
I've been an Eagles fan my whole life, and it is time for Reid to go after the season. The guy has been here for 10 years, and the team has been on a downslide since going to the Superbowl 4 years ago.
The problem with Reid, and why he will never win a Superbowl, is that he is so damned hard-headed and wont adjust from his flaws. He won't go out and get that #1 receiver, and would rather have McNabb spread the ball around to 5 different receivers. He won't go after a big time TE in the draft, as all the successfull teams have a great TE: Witten, Cooley, etc. He won't draft that pass rusher, as the Eagles only get pressure when they blitz. He won't run the ball on a consistent basis, so every team knows they will pass 60% of the game, so there is no threat of them worrying about the run.
Andy Reid is a good coach, and he had his run with the eagles from 2001-2004, but it is time for a change, it is time to get rid of those mediocre receivers like Greg Lewis. I am sick of seeing the average LJ Smith catch 2 passes every week, while Jason Witten catches 8 for Dallas. I am sick of the Eagles not being able to stop the run, as Portis ran all over them yesterday. And I am sick of Andy Reid getting out-coached in the second half as the opposing team makes adjustments and he keeps the same gameplan from the week.
I don't know why Lurie is married to Andy Reid, cause if the Eagles don't make the playoffs this year, this will make 3 of the last 4 years out of the playoffs, most coaches get fired for those results.
I'm with you. Add to that fact that the Eagles did not have a #1 pick the last two seasons. With their first pick (#2) 2 years ago, he picks a scrub QB from Houston? Then this year, he goes out and signs Asante Samuel and is unable to unload Sheppard! You have two #1's and an allpro corner and you can't make a deal with someone?
CRM114
10-06-08, 02:17 PM
And they still wont draft a first round pick because they would have to pay him first round money. That's why they trade out of the first round the past two seasons. They're a cheap originzation that will do just enough to make people over pay to see them play. But won't do what it takes to go all the way.
I don't think they are cheap. They signed Samuel for whatever reason. They are self-described "capologists" and they outsmart themselves. They overvalue their talent and don't fill in the spots of obvious need. Reid cannot bear to acknowledge the fans are right. (He did in 2004 and they went to the SB.)
coli
10-06-08, 03:25 PM
I don't think they are cheap. They signed Samuel for whatever reason. They are self-described "capologists" and they outsmart themselves. They overvalue their talent and don't fill in the spots of obvious need. Reid cannot bear to acknowledge the fans are right. (He did in 2004 and they went to the SB.)
I agree. The Eagles look long term TOO much. Sometimes you just have to go for it, and suffer the consequences years down the road. They went for it in 2004 with the signing of TO and Kearse. TO blew up the locker room in 2005, and Kearse really got old and slow the next year too, but both of them got them to a Superbowl in 2004, and that is all the fans ask for. I respect that the Eagles stay under the cap every year, but sometimes you gotta go for it all, or you will be like they are for the past 3 years: 6-10, 10-6, 8-8, mediocre, maybe make the playoffs, win a playoff game, NO shot at winning a Superbowl.
DthRdrX
10-06-08, 03:31 PM
Eagles are going to beat my Niners next Sunday. :(
Fuck Nolan. I hope he get his ass fired!! :mad:
My father and I look forward to the 49ers-Eagles game every year or so. As a Niner fan I think we might actually have a chance this year.
JOE29
10-14-08, 04:51 PM
Dallas just picked up Roy Williams from the Lions. Why couldn't the Eagles do that?
Because they're the Eagles that's why. They want to franchise L.J. Smith
Oh I remember now. At the end of last season Andy said that he didn't need anymore players.
I guess that included first round draft picks on a last place team.
JOE29
11-13-08, 08:43 AM
How did my Eagles do on Monday Night vs. the Giants?
pedagogue
11-13-08, 10:14 AM
How did my Eagles do on Monday Night vs. the Giants?
As expected.
It was closer on the scoreboard than on the field.
I will say this about the eagles....drafting Jackson was a GREAT move. That guy has talent.
coli
11-13-08, 03:33 PM
Listening to talk Radio in the past few weeks, the groundswell is starting to get rid of Andy Reid by the fans. Now the Eagles management Lurie/Banner/Reid are so arrogant towards the fans to begin with, I don't know if the fire Andy Reid talk will make a difference.
If the Eagles miss the playoffs this year, or even just slip in at 9-7 and lose early in the playoffs, you have to start questioning Jeff Lurie's committment to winning it all. I often wonder these days if the Lurie/Banner are content with a winning team every year, as they are always 10 million dollars under the cap, and the stadium is full. Why go for it all, if you are playing to a packed house?
I see guys like Bill Cowher out there, and Spagnuolo, the D-Coordinator of the Giants, and really wish Lurie would fire Reid and take a run at one of these guys.
What do you guys think? If Reid misses the playoffs this year, which will make 3 out of 4years, is he gone?
deadlax
11-14-08, 08:47 AM
The one factor that makes Reid "almost" untouchable is the fact that he has averaged more than 10 wins a season his first 10 seasons as the Eagles coach. The guy wins a lot of football games. Granted they are rarely upsets of better teams, but he usually does not lose to the teams they should beat.
I'd much rather have a coach with some fire. Or one that doesn't consistenly look like he is trying to outsmart everyone with "genius" playcalling that generally backfires.
The biggest problem with the Eagles is their inability to draft great players at the top of the draft.
Since 2003 their first picks have been as follows.
2003: Traded up to draft Jerome McDougle - Bust w/ extenuating circumstances (Inactive most weeks with the Giants)
2004: Traded up to draft Shawn Andrews - Enormous talent with more injury and personal issues than most entire teams have. I'm not quite sure he ever plays in the NFL again, let alone for the Eagles.
2005: Mike Patterson - Average DT (They signed him to something like a 12 year contract extension 2 years ago)
2006: Broderick Bunkley - Average DT that shows signs of dominance
2007: Traded down to draft Kevin Kolb - Hasn't played much in the regular season, might be a top 5-15 QB in the NFL some day. Don't see him as elite.
2008: Traded down and took Trevor Laws - ANOTHER DT. When your first pick in 3 of 4 years is a DT and none of them are dominant run stuffers who can collapse a pocket, you've failed.
Their last great first pick was 2002 - Lito Sheppard, and even he has injury problems.
This is not to say that the Eagles have not found absolute gems later on in the draft. Westbrook was a 3rd round pick in '02, Trent Cole and Omar Gaither were 5th round picks. Jamaal Jackson was undrafted. Stewart Bradley was a 3rd round pick.
They need to re-evaluate their scounting of blue chip players entering the draft. You hit on one or two first round picks and you have a team that consistently wins 12 games instead of 9-10.
JOE29
11-14-08, 01:32 PM
I often wonder these days if the Lurie/Banner are content with a winning team every year, as they are always 10 million dollars under the cap, and the stadium is full. Why go for it all, if you are playing to a packed house?
I see guys like Bill Cowher out there, and Spagnuolo, the D-Coordinator of the Giants, and really wish Lurie would fire Reid and take a run at one of these guys.
What do you guys think? If Reid misses the playoffs this year, which will make 3 out of 4years, is he gone?
I have often wondered about this myself for years. This goes back to the Norman Braman years, who was the black coach they had years ago? I see his face but his name escapes me. My neighbors are starting to pick up on this too. The just field a team to make more money theory. This goes back even to the turf at the Vet that they wouldn't fix for a long time after being rated the worst field in the league.
You can probably forget about Cowher, Spagnuolo could be a possibility but obviously Reid would have to go first. They would need a GM also.
I don't think Reid will be gone until his contract is up. He still has a few years left on it, I believe. As for Jackson, I think he's great. He has a lot of fire and spunk and is fun to watch. They got lucky with him.
Red Dog
11-14-08, 01:52 PM
Ray Rhodes
coli
11-17-08, 07:14 AM
That Bengals game is as low as it can get for the Eagles, this resembles the Bobby Hoying days in some respects.
What amazes me is that McNabb and many other Eagles didn't know that there are ties in Football after one overtime? The rule has been like that since I was born in the 70's, and McNabb admitted he was shocked when the game ended as he thought they could play all night? Are you kidding me??????
As for Reid, the rumor is that they are trading McNabb and keeping Reid since he has 3 years left on his deal, which I think is a joke and tells me that Jeff Lurie is all about making money and not wanting to win Superbowls. Reid needs to go, and I think alot of fans are going to bolt for a few years if Reid is back, because he has lost the team and the city at this point.
CRM114
11-18-08, 02:07 PM
What do you guys think? If Reid misses the playoffs this year, which will make 3 out of 4years, is he gone?
Yes, I'm all for firing Andy Reid. He's run his course. The team seems to have shut him out too. I'm sure Lurie is loyal and was hopeful but enough is enough. I'm not calling out Lurie though - I remember Norman Braman.
CRM114
11-18-08, 02:09 PM
Ray Rhodes
Rhodes took the Birds to the playoffs two years in a row with absolutely no talent. Rhodes gets a bad rap.
CRM114
11-18-08, 02:11 PM
That Bengals game is as low as it can get for the Eagles, this resembles the Bobby Hoying days in some respects.
What amazes me is that McNabb and many other Eagles didn't know that there are ties in Football after one overtime? The rule has been like that since I was born in the 70's, and McNabb admitted he was shocked when the game ended as he thought they could play all night? Are you kidding me??????
As for Reid, the rumor is that they are trading McNabb and keeping Reid since he has 3 years left on his deal, which I think is a joke and tells me that Jeff Lurie is all about making money and not wanting to win Superbowls. Reid needs to go, and I think alot of fans are going to bolt for a few years if Reid is back, because he has lost the team and the city at this point.
Trading McNabb would be stupid. Talk about Bobby Hoying? You got another one in Kevin Kolb.
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