The Cardinals re-signing of Kyle Lohse is probably a good move. Considering the bargain he was this year, he would likely demand much higher money if he was allowed to test the FA market this offseason.
Goat3001
09-30-08, 11:33 AM
Speaking of bargains, I'm curious to see what Pavano goes for. He's obviously an injury case but if he can string together a full season (big IF) he could be a serviceable 4th/5th starter. But with the ridiculous baseball market being the way it is, I wonder what he'll get.
Goat3001
09-30-08, 10:34 PM
Yankees sign Cashman to a 3 year deal.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3618663
Good to see that after the Torre debacle last year they're doing the right thing and sticking with Cashman and seemingly letting him handle the team for the next 3 years.
starman9000
10-01-08, 07:29 AM
Sigh, now I get another offseason of no moves for the Twins, who have been a move or two away from being contenders this entire decade. Pohlad, you got your stadium, please sell the team now.
Quake1028
10-16-08, 09:30 PM
Hank says Joba will likely start in 09: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3647638
MLBPA says Bonds was blackballed: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3647779
Deftones
10-17-08, 08:15 PM
WTF is this I hear about the Padres trying to trade Peavy?
pedagogue
10-17-08, 09:36 PM
Yeah....they probably want a king's ransom for him. Don't get me wrong, he has great numbers, but with guys like CC out there, I don't see him moving until the top names are gone, and maybe not even then.
Deftones
10-17-08, 10:40 PM
why do you think he won't be moved? he's under a contract that's surely less than what CC will get and he's a younger, better pitcher. the only thing that's going to hurt the team getting him is giving up prime talent.
cardsfan111
10-17-08, 10:44 PM
And that's why the Padres figure it's wise to deal him. He's locked up for several years. That's appealing to a number of teams.
Deftones
10-17-08, 10:57 PM
yeah, but he's a fucking ace of that staff. the padres are essentially saying "we can't compete right now, so let's blow this bitch up and start over."
pedagogue
10-17-08, 11:22 PM
why do you think he won't be moved?
While I think watching what happened with Johan may help them gauge what he is worth, I'm not sure who could put together a package they'd want.
TB has the prospects, but not the need.
Mets have a need, but not the prospects (unless they start with Fernando and probably throw in at least 2 other legit guys)
NY Yanks don't have the players
etc.
Spicollidriver1
10-17-08, 11:30 PM
What about the Twins? They always have prospects not that i think they will get involved but it if the brought in a real deal guy like Peavy the last season before the new stadium, and show the fans they are willing to deal.
davidh777
10-23-08, 09:22 PM
Mariners hire Brewers exec Jack Zduriencik as new GM
Manny wants $25 million per year and a six year contract. So, which teams will be willing to agree to Bora$ demands?
Deftones
10-24-08, 12:36 AM
I heard Dodgers are considering giving him a deal worth more yearly than A-Rod makes, but they won't get locked into anything more than 2 years. Good luck with that. :lol:
chrisih8u
10-24-08, 01:34 AM
Since it's Boras my money is on the famous "mystery team" offering Manny everything he wants!
huh?
10-24-08, 09:49 PM
Manny wants $25 million per year and a six year contract. So, which teams will be willing to agree to Bora$ demands?
Not going to happen.
Jobronie
10-25-08, 08:05 AM
Since it's Boras my money is on the famous "mystery team" offering Manny everything he wants!I'm really curious how important his own legacy is to Manny. By all reports (a few more have come out in the last few days), he's going to whichever teams flat out gives him the most money. But my God, the way he tore up the NL West, I would think that would give him second thoughts. Four more years out there, and we're talking 650+ HR.
I'm not saying he should leave $20M+ on the table, but for a guy who's already earned $150M+ in his life, that extra mil or two per year isn't gonna change his lifestyle all that much.
(Speaking of lifestyles, heard from a local realtor whose partner was in on the deal, that Johnny Damon moved from a $20k/month house in Alpine to a $16k/month house. Granted, the old place was right on the main drag thru town in front of a busy traffic light, but I guess this economy is forcing everyone to tighten their belts.)
mostaccioli
10-25-08, 07:47 PM
i'm thinking free agent big money won't be out there because of the economy.
davidh777
10-28-08, 10:57 PM
Aramis Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis win the Hank Aaron Award based on fan vote. I'm sure there was no ballot stuffing involved. (Granted, they both had excellent seasons, but still...)
Geovany Soto and Evan Longoria win ROY
Jobronie
10-29-08, 06:31 AM
LAAAAA pick up options on Vlad and Lackey, but bought out ($3M) Anderson. Supposedly they're still interested in Anderson as a FA.
RayChuang
10-29-08, 07:10 AM
i'm thinking free agent big money won't be out there because of the economy.
I agree. Manny Ramriez will be lucky if he can get US$22 million/year for two years from almost any team that can afford him.
Jobronie
11-04-08, 05:05 AM
Speaking at the General Manager's Meetings in Dana Point, Calif., San Diego GM Kevin Towers reported that pitcher Jake Peavy has approved a trade to five National League teams, and two American League teams, neither one being the Red Sox. The NL teams are the Braves, Astros, Cubs, Dodgers, and Cardinals, while the AL teams are the Yankees and Angels.
-Alex Speier
WEEI.com
tofferman
11-04-08, 10:52 AM
I never really expected Peavy to be pursued by the Red Sox, regardless if he was open to it or not.
Also, it would really surprise me if he goes to any American League team, as I see him excelling more in the National League.
Goat3001
11-04-08, 11:32 AM
I hope the Yankees don't give up the farm for him because they think they missed out on Santana last year. He's good and all but his numbers are bound to decline going from the weakest division in baseball to the strongest.
CRM114
11-04-08, 03:39 PM
There was a report over the weekend that the Phillies were VERY close to trading Ryan Howard to the Dodgers for James Loney before the playoffs. The Dodgers declined the deal.
This was very surprising to me. Apparently, the reporter claimed that Howard will be traded some time in the next two seasons because the Phillies will not pay him the astronomical figure he will command.
Deftones
11-04-08, 03:47 PM
before the playoffs? i'm not expert in trades, but i think the deal would've had to have occurred before the trade deadline, unless they went the waiver wire/trade route. my guess is that several teams would've put in a claim on howard.
Goat3001
11-04-08, 03:49 PM
There was a report over the weekend that the Phillies were VERY close to trading Ryan Howard to the Dodgers for James Loney before the playoffs. The Dodgers declined the deal.
That sound weird to anyone else? You can't trade someone before the playoffs, so I'm assuming that meant trade deadline. If this was a deadline trade that Philly and the Dodgers were working on than it would have been big news. No way it would have been kept secret until November.
The Dodgers on Tuesday night offered Ramirez a contract with the highest average salary in Dodgers history, and the second-highest average salary in major league history, Colletti told reporters Wednesday.
Alex Rodriguez owns the two highest average salary contracts in major league history. His current deal with the Yankees, signed last offseason, is a 10-year, $275 milllion pact, putting the average salary at $27.5 million. His previous deal was a 10-year, $252 million contract with the Rangers, making the average salary $25.2 million. That means that the average salary offered to Ramirez was somewhere between $25.2 million and $27.5 million per year.
Most likely, the Dodgers offered Ramirez a two-year contract worth just over $50 million. It is also possible that the team offered the slugger a three-year deal worth just over $75 million.
2008 NL Gold Glove winners
Pos. Winner
P Greg Maddux, Dodgers
C Yadier Molina, Cardinals
1B Adrian Gonzalez, Padres
2B Brandon Phillips, Reds
3B David Wright, Mets
SS Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
OF Nate McLouth, Pirates;
Carlos Beltran, Mets;
Shane Victorino, Phillies
:lol:
chrisih8u
11-05-08, 08:43 PM
:lol:
cardsfan111
11-05-08, 10:08 PM
These Gold Gloves are a traveshamockery!
Seriously, I'm not sure what goes on each year with the voting for these awards. From the perspective of a Cards fan, it's nice to see Molina win...it's almost as if no one was going to vote for him until he'd been in the league a few years or got his batting average up. By some measurements, this might have been his worse defensive season. Pujols not winning is hard to figure out. And Glaus couldn't have had a better defensive season. And it continues to make no sense that they give 3 centerfielders gold gloves instead of one to each outfield position.
Quake1028
11-05-08, 10:27 PM
I agree. Manny Ramriez will be lucky if he can get US$22 million/year for two years from almost any team that can afford him.
Seriously, I'm not sure what goes on each year with the voting for these awards. From the perspective of a Cards fan, it's nice to see Molina win...it's almost as if no one was going to vote for him until he'd been in the league a few years or got his batting average up. By some measurements, this might have been his worse defensive season. Pujols not winning is hard to figure out. And Glaus couldn't have had a better defensive season. And it continues to make no sense that they give 3 centerfielders gold gloves instead of one to each outfield position.
Isn't the sports reporters who vote.
The unbiased media.
cardsfan111
11-06-08, 02:35 AM
Isn't the sports reporters who vote.
The unbiased media.
Actually, I think the Gold Gloves are awarded based on votes from managers/coaches in the league (and you can't vote for players on your own team). You'd think this group would know what they're doing, but the results prove otherwise.
Goat3001
11-06-08, 08:32 AM
These Gold Gloves are a traveshamockery!
Seriously, I'm not sure what goes on each year with the voting for these awards. From the perspective of a Cards fan, it's nice to see Molina win...it's almost as if no one was going to vote for him until he'd been in the league a few years or got his batting average up. By some measurements, this might have been his worse defensive season. Pujols not winning is hard to figure out. And Glaus couldn't have had a better defensive season. And it continues to make no sense that they give 3 centerfielders gold gloves instead of one to each outfield position.
The thing about the Gold Glove is that you have to
1. Be in the spotlight to win it, so players on the KC Royals will rarely win unless they somehow start making headlines for their play.
2. You keep winning Gold Gloves until you lose it. If you have a atrocious defensive season or if you're the DL for an extended period you'll lose it. If you play a full season and you maintain a decent level of defense you'll win it again.
B.A.
11-06-08, 09:25 AM
Ankiel and Ludwick are not off limits this this winter:
I had just read that article a short time ago. Guess it's no surprise with our surplus of outfielders and the needs the team has elsewhere. Of the two, it seems to make the most sense to trade Ludwick. His value would be high coming off his tremendous season and he's currently cheap. I have a hard time seeing him being able to duplicate the amount of success he had last year. I think, on the other hand, that we haven't seen Ankiel's best due to him continuing to mature as a hitter and the injury bug the last year or two. Plus, it's nice to have Ankiel's left handed bat to complement Pujols, Glaus and the other right handed power the Cards have.
Deftones
11-06-08, 02:30 PM
From Dodgerblues.com:
Big surprise: Jeff Kent likes motorbikes, moustaches, and straight people. Kent evidently contributed $15,000 in support of Proposition 8, which passed on Tuesday, banning gay marriage in California. One question, though: Doesn't the asshole live in Texas
:lol:
LurkerDan
11-06-08, 05:09 PM
Rob Neyer wrote about the Gold Gloves on his blog. He thought most of the pics were ok except for McLouth and Adrian Gonzalez (and also, I guess, Victorino).
Deftones
11-06-08, 05:22 PM
AL gold glove winners announced.
2008 AL Gold Glove winners
Pos. Winner
P Mike Mussina, Yankees
C Joe Mauer, Twins
1B Carlos Pena, Rays
2B Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
3B Adrian Beltre, Mariners
SS Michael Young, Rangers
OF Torii Hunter, Angels; Grady Sizemore, Indians; Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners
achau9598
11-06-08, 08:54 PM
What a joke. Nick Markakis had 17 assists and less errors than Ichiro (as well as a higher fielding %). I love Ichiro and all, but this award is yet another BS popularity contest.
chrisih8u
11-06-08, 09:10 PM
The Gold Gloves are like the Emmys.
B.A.
11-09-08, 09:47 AM
The Ludwick/Schumaker/Boggs for Holliday rumors have been going hot and heavy all weekend long - let see if something gets done today.
Geovony Soto and Evan Longoria won ROY awards today. Longoria was unanimous, Soto one vote short of unanimous. Funniest voting note was that Edwin Volquez got three second place votes. Funny in part because he couldn't even get any first place votes despite being one of he leagues top pitchers in a hitter's park. More funny, because he's not a rookie. Apparently neither voters or the BWWAA seemed to care.
Multiple sources reporting that Matt Holliday had been traded to the A's. Several stories were recently changed from "about to be traded" to "has been traded".
No word at all yet on who Oakland has given up for him.
EDIT: stories are again changed, this time back to the original "about to be traded/acquired".
Jericho
11-10-08, 02:59 PM
Multiple sources reporting that Matt Holliday had been traded to the A's. Several stories were recently changed from "about to be traded" to "has been traded".
No word at all yet on who Oakland has given up for him.
EDIT: stories are again changed, this time back to the original "about to be traded/acquired".
Weird, just saw the same thing. Not sure what the A's want with Holliday
Jobronie
11-10-08, 03:31 PM
Weird, just saw the same thing. Not sure what the A's want with Holliday1) Beane thinks he has a chance to win the West.
2) If Holliday shows this road numbers were just the result of tailoring his swing to Coors and not the result of the park itself, Beane gets a huge payday come the trade deadline.
3) If Holliday does just OK, then he's still a Type A FA, so Beane gets the picks.
There's potential downside, but much more potential upside for the A's. Now let's see who Beane had to give up. Fuentes is gone, and Street has been on the block, so that may be a name included in the deal. Beane will just create another lights-out closer to fill the spot......
Jobronie
11-10-08, 03:40 PM
All sorts of stories now breaking on the Holliday front. Of note:
"The source believed the A’s are sending closer Huston Street, outfielder Carlos Gonzalez and starting pitcher Greg Smith to the Rockies."
Jobronie
11-10-08, 03:40 PM
All sorts of stories now breaking on the Holliday front. Of note:
"The source believed the A’s are sending closer Huston Street, outfielder Carlos Gonzalez and starting pitcher Greg Smith to the Rockies."
lordwow
11-10-08, 03:52 PM
Interesting move by the Rockies... I wonder if/how long Street will be a closer... Coors seems to eat closers for breakfast.
Jobronie
11-10-08, 04:17 PM
Interesting move by the Rockies... I wonder if/how long Street will be a closer... Coors seems to eat closers for breakfast.With what K-rod et al are expected to get (crazy numbers I've seen a few times are $75M/5 for K-rod, and $48M+/4 for Fuentes), they'd probably get a nice haul from him on a quick flip......
Jericho
11-10-08, 04:53 PM
1) Beane thinks he has a chance to win the West.
2) If Holliday shows this road numbers were just the result of tailoring his swing to Coors and not the result of the park itself, Beane gets a huge payday come the trade deadline.
3) If Holliday does just OK, then he's still a Type A FA, so Beane gets the picks.
There's potential downside, but much more potential upside for the A's. Now let's see who Beane had to give up. Fuentes is gone, and Street has been on the block, so that may be a name included in the deal. Beane will just create another lights-out closer to fill the spot......
It's a lot to gamble for a one year rental. The Angels are still pretty good, and the A's have been building from the long haul, with young cheap players. That undos some of that building all for a one-year run. Kinda goes against the whole master plan. But I suppose Holliday can always be moved at the deadline.
LurkerDan
11-10-08, 04:54 PM
No way does Fuentes come close to $48M/4.
Jericho
11-10-08, 04:55 PM
With what K-rod et al are expected to get (crazy numbers I've seen a few times are $75M/5 for K-rod, and $48M+/4 for Fuentes), they'd probably get a nice haul from him on a quick flip......
Doubt it. Street lost his job last season, the market for closers is terrible, and the A's have been trying to trade him for some time. I really doubt the Rockies can magically raise his trade value.
Spicollidriver1
11-10-08, 06:41 PM
Has anyone seen anymore to the rumor of Micheal Cuddyer, and another player, for Garrett Atkins, and a player?
El Scorcho
11-10-08, 06:49 PM
welp, the days of holliday hitting .320/30/110 are now long behind him
Not only is he no longer playing 81 games in the best hitter's park ever, now he's playing those 81 games in one of the worst.
TomOpus
11-11-08, 08:08 AM
SAN DIEGO -- Trevor Hoffman, the Major League career saves leader, could be finished as a member of the San Diego Padres.
General manager Kevin Towers confirmed on Monday that the Padres withdrew their contract offer to Hoffman for 2009. The contract proposal for the 41-year-old Hoffman was for $4 million.
Hoffman, after a shaky start in 2008, had a typical season for him, saving 30 games in 34 opportunities, including 16 in a row at one point. The Padres, though, lost 99 games, and Hoffman threw a career low of 45 1/3 innings during a healthy season because the situations just didn't present themselves for him to pitch. He made $7.5 million last season.
Hoffman's Padres career began with the June 24, 1993, trade that sent him to San Diego and Gary Sheffield to the Marlins. All except two of his 554 saves were recorded in a San Diego uniform.
Goat3001
11-11-08, 08:16 AM
I think its a good move by Beane to pick up Holliday. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is his contract year and if Holliday follows suit he'll have a monster season so he can get that $150 million contract that baseball players like. Beane won't sign him to that of course but he'll at least be able to get a good season out of him and you never know with the A's. They're always capable of busting out a 90+ win season.
Deftones
11-11-08, 11:20 AM
All sorts of stories now breaking on the Holliday front. Of note:
"The source believed the A’s are sending closer Huston Street, outfielder Carlos Gonzalez and starting pitcher Greg Smith to the Rockies."
If this is in fact the trade, fucking sucks the Dbacks traded 2 of those guys to the A's and now they might be back in the division and could hurt us.
:up: Not surprising but good for Lincecum. To put up a 2.62 ERA and over 250k's is great... but to win 18 games on that atrocious SF Giants team is the more impressive feat.
dvd-4-life
11-11-08, 05:19 PM
Herb Score who was 75 ,passed away today. A great pitcher whose career was cut short because of injury. I remember listening to him on WFRO Freemont,OH which carried the Indian games back in the late 60s and 70s.
El Scorcho
11-11-08, 10:02 PM
yay lincecum
suck it webb + deftones
Deftones
11-11-08, 10:52 PM
yay lincecum
suck it webb + deftones
Hey, I said he deserved it. Wanted Webb to win, but clearly Lincecum had a far better year. Guess it makes up for the Giants being a terrible baseball team, huh? :lol:
Brad Mills, bench coach of the Boston Red Sox
White Sox bench coach Joey Cora
Diamondbacks third-base coach Chip Hale
Red Sox third-base coach DeMarlo Hale
Cardinals third-base coach Jose Oquendo
A's bench coach Don Wakamatsu
Padres' Class AAA manager Randy Ready
[kinda nice not to have all the same recycled names]
El Scorcho
11-12-08, 02:55 AM
Hey, I said he deserved it. Wanted Webb to win, but clearly Lincecum had a far better year. Guess it makes up for the Giants being a terrible baseball team, huh? :lol:
Your team played the same amount of postseason games as mine did!
Pinella and Maddon win Manager of the Year honors. :up:
Not very surprising on either end. Both managers did a great job this year. Maddon SHOULD have gotten a unanimous vote but some dillhole gave his first place vote to Ron Gardenheyer (who did a great job in his own right but Maddon was clearly the best this year).
Deftones
11-12-08, 04:25 PM
Your team played the same amount of postseason games as mine did!
Pinella and Maddon win Manager of the Year honors. :up:
Not very surprising on either end. Both managers did a great job this year. Maddon SHOULD have gotten a unanimous vote but some dillhole gave his first place vote to Ron Gardenheyer (who did a great job in his own right but Maddon was clearly the best this year).
The surprise bit is that Charlie Manuel didn't win it. :shrug:
chrisih8u
11-12-08, 07:02 PM
Who was surprised that Manuel didnt win?
davidh777
11-12-08, 07:29 PM
Lincecum :thumbsup:
raven56706
11-12-08, 09:00 PM
Marte gets three-year, $12M deal
November 12, 2008
The Yankees have made their first move of the winter, re-signing Damaso Marte to a three-year, $12 million deal.
The Daily News reported last week that the two sides were getting close on a three-year contract, so this doesn’t come as much of a surprise. It matches the deal that J.C. Romero got from the Phillies last year, so the terms make sense.
Marte struggled after being traded to the Yankees in late-July, as Joe Girardi and Dave Eiland often used him for more than one inning, causing some arm trouble. Once his arm settled down and he was used in more of a lefty specialist role, Marte pitched well, allowing two runs over his final 16 outings.
The Yankees’ bullpen is pretty much set for 2009, with Marte and Phil Coke from the left side, Brian Bruney, Edwar Ramirez, Jose Veras, David Robertson and Mariano Rivera from the right side. Chris Britton, Jonathan Albaladejo, Mark Melancon, Dan Giese and Darrell Rasner could also be in the mix.
With the bullpen set up, the Yankees will turn their attention to the rotation on Friday, when they can start making offers to free agents. First base and center field are also on the Bombers’ radar.
brainee
11-12-08, 11:28 PM
The surprise bit is that Charlie Manuel didn't win it. :shrug:
These awards aren't supposed to take into account the post-season results, right? It's hard to argue against the manager of the team with the best record. Anyway, Phillies have won major awards recently without success in the post-season. I'll gladly take the opposite this year.
cardsfan111
11-12-08, 11:49 PM
Count me as shocked that LaRussa didn't fare better in the voting, and perhaps even win the Manager of the Year for the NL. Usually the rule of thumb is it ends up going to a manager who's team overachieved and accomplished far more than they were expected to. Maddon fits that description to a tee in the AL. For the National League, if my memory is correct, the majority of folks were picking the Cubs to go the Series and the Phillies/Mets and to some extent the Dodgers to be playoff bound. Most of those same preseason predictions had the Cards being a sub .500 club.
Not that it's a big deal... To further prove the point, LaRussa didn't win the MOY award in '04 or '05 when the Cards won 100+ games and had the best mark in the league, so the best record doesn't necessarily translate into the award.
Jobronie
11-13-08, 08:21 AM
Late PM/early AM reports have Peavy to the Braves getting closer by the hour.
And for the first time in 14 years, the Red Sox are NOT raising ticket prices.
The Red Sox have supposedly approached Bora$ about Derek Lowe, and Boras has equipped the Sox with one of his famed marketing portfolios, or 'books,' on the player's value.
I for one, would welcome Lowe as the Red Sox 4th starter.
Not only that, but they also got White Sox minor leaguer Kaneoka Texeria!!
Deftones
11-13-08, 08:46 PM
Looks like Randy Johnson won't be back as a Dback. It's a shame. Appears as though he was unwilling to take $8 million dollars for one more season. Not sure how he thinks someone will give him more and a long term deal. Would've liked to have seen him get #300 as a Dback and go into the Hall as one, but guess not.
Sorraffy
11-13-08, 08:52 PM
Looks like Randy Johnson won't be back as a Dback. It's a shame. Appears as though he was unwilling to take $8 million dollars for one more season. Not sure how he thinks someone will give him more and a long term deal. Would've liked to have seen him get #300 as a Dback and go into the Hall as one, but guess not.
From what I got out of reading, he offered to take $8 Mil (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/130348). but Arizona only offered up $3 Mill.
If he can stay healthy he could be a good back end of the rotation type guy for at least one more year for some team.
Canadian Bacon
11-13-08, 08:54 PM
Nick Swisher to the Yankees.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3700869
.219 batting average rotfl
Deftones
11-13-08, 09:01 PM
From what I got out of reading, he offered to take $8 Mil (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/130348). but Arizona only offered up $3 Mill.
If he can stay healthy he could be a good back end of the rotation type guy for at least one more year for some team.
hmmm. this article leaves it less clear as to what the specifics were: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/2008/11/13/20081113spt-randy.html
i could've misinterpreted what they said on talk radio today, when they were talking about the money stuff.
Jobronie
11-14-08, 06:19 AM
.219 batting average rotflJealous Red Sox fan here, who thinks the Yankees made out great in this deal (unless they somehow plan to start Swisher in CF). I was kinda hoping Boston would get him, as insurance at any number of positions.......
chrisih8u
11-14-08, 09:10 AM
The blog Fire Joe Morgan is calling it quits. It was a great read. I didnt think it deserved its own thread and I couldnt find anywhere else to put this news. :)
Jobronie
11-14-08, 09:18 AM
The blog Fire Joe Morgan is calling it quits. It was a great read. I didnt think it deserved its own thread and I couldnt find anywhere else to put this news. :)Yeah, figured something was up when it hadn't been updated in many weeks.
Ken is steering the (for lackof a better term) non-Office Office spinoff; guess it's now being called 'the untitled Amy Poehler project'. Anyway, he's got to be putting in 18 hour days getting that thing off the ground.....
starman9000
11-14-08, 05:19 PM
Buster Olney is reporting the Yanks have offered Sabathia a ton of money:
As expected Friday, the New York Yankees officially tendered an offer to free-agent pitcher CC Sabathia.
The offer is expected to be six years in length and have a total value of slightly more that the record $137.5 million deal that pitcher Johan Santana signed with the Mets before last season.
Santana's deal had been the largest ever for a pitcher.
Friday represented the first day that free agents can be signed. The Yankees also are expected to make offers to free-agent right-handers A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe.
Burnett has a four-year, $54 million offer from Toronto, while Lowe is looking for a five-year contract.
Seems like a lot of dough for a guy who put together a very nice run for half a contract season.
cardsfan111
11-14-08, 05:43 PM
It won't be nearly as Barry Zito-esque, but I don't see Sabathia delivering anywhere near the results for what he'll end up being paid.
El Scorcho
11-14-08, 06:26 PM
Sabathia contract figures need to reported in units of McDonalds cheeseburgers, not dollars.
LurkerDan
11-14-08, 06:36 PM
Buster Olney is reporting the Yanks have offered Sabathia a ton of money:
Seems like a lot of dough for a guy who put together a very nice run for half a contract season.
Huh? That is how you'd describe Sabathia? A "guy who put together a very nice run for half a contract season"?
Quake1028
11-14-08, 07:08 PM
Yeah, I mean he's only 117-73 in his career, with a 3.66 ERA. And not to mention an almost 3:1 K to BB ratio, and he's a workhorse. But yeah, that second half.
Deftones
11-14-08, 07:14 PM
Huh? That is how you'd describe Sabathia? A "guy who put together a very nice run for half a contract season"?
yeah, it's not like he's been consistently good for the past 4 or 5 years or anything. :lol:
davidh777
11-14-08, 07:29 PM
And the '07 Cy Young winner
El Scorcho
11-14-08, 08:22 PM
blah blah blah there isn't one pitcher worth $20M+ per season, especially when locked up for 6 years
all it takes is one arm tweak and subsequent loss of 4-5 mph of velocity and suddenly your $120M+ investment is shot to hell
starman9000
11-14-08, 10:10 PM
Yeah, I mean he's only 117-73 in his career, with a 3.66 ERA. And not to mention an almost 3:1 K to BB ratio, and he's a workhorse. But yeah, that second half.
Yeah, you are right, he is excellent. But I do think he will be overpaid mostly because of that lights out second half. Granted, it seems like everyone is overpaid, so I suppose it is nothing significant. (and with his excellent Post-Season stats, he should feel right at home with A-rod :) )
raven56706
11-14-08, 10:58 PM
blah blah blah there isn't one pitcher worth $20M+ per season, especially when locked up for 6 years
all it takes is one arm tweak and subsequent loss of 4-5 mph of velocity and suddenly your $120M+ investment is shot to hell
not sure....wakefield was kept.... for too much i think
Deftones
11-14-08, 11:03 PM
blah blah blah there isn't one pitcher worth $20M+ per season, especially when locked up for 6 years
all it takes is one arm tweak and subsequent loss of 4-5 mph of velocity and suddenly your $120M+ investment is shot to hell
i don't think anyone is going to argue with that. however, if teams will pay a guy that much, no reason he's going to turn down the big $$$$.
Jobronie
11-15-08, 03:03 PM
all it takes is one arm tweak and subsequent loss of 4-5 mph of velocity and suddenly your $120M+ investment is shot to hellBelieve it or not, this is the exact reasoning some GMs use when they give a big contract to a pitcher with potential arm or shoulder trouble.
The Mets used it to justify the Pedro contract: even a healthy pitcher could be useless tomorrow, so is there really any added risk from giving Petey $52M/4 even when we all knew his shoulder was hamburg.....?
Yankees fleece $1 million out of some team in Japan for Rasner.
cardsfan111
11-16-08, 04:10 PM
^ I'm sure Sabathia's agent will now ask for an extra million on top of the Yankees' offer. :lol:
cardsfan111
11-17-08, 02:09 PM
Nice to see the writers got it right by naming Pujols the NL MVP!
Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3708596)
B.A.
11-17-08, 02:13 PM
18 of 32 first-place votes.
Goat3001
11-17-08, 02:39 PM
Nice to see the writers got it right by naming Pujols the NL MVP!
Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3708596)
The question is, does Pujols think he deserves it? I always enjoy watching athletes eat their own words so I can't wait to see him openly accept the MVP award when it was just two years ago when he bitched about Ryan Howard getting it and not making the playoffs.
I'll chime in on Yankees and Sabathia:
:down: Too much money. The guy has put together a nice career so far but I get the feeling with Sabathia that once he gets his paycheck he'll be pushing 300 on the mound next year. The Yankees should put in a weight clause. If he goes over x lbs his salary gets cut. I say that in jest of course but it's not something I'd be opposed to. We've seen the guy pitch in the playoffs and he's gotten crushed each time. It seems like straight fatigue and something that can be fixed by resting him more later in the season but regardless the Yankees need to realize these things before they offer such big money. They are trying to build a World Series team, not just a playoff team. In order to do that they need a guy that has proven that he can perform in the playoffs. Sabathia just hasn't done that.
On the bright side the Yankees will have a young and talented rotation next year and three (4 if Hughes can get it together) guys that if healthy can put up some good numbers. Wang, Sabathia and Chamberlain looks mighty good on paper. None of these guys are over 30, that isn't something you see too often from the Yankees.
Jericho
11-17-08, 02:46 PM
Nice to see the writers got it right by naming Pujols the NL MVP!
Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3708596)
Thankfully Howard didn't win. He wasn't even the best player on his own team with Chase Utley around. The voters have actually been decent this go-around,a lthough 12 writers still put Howard first. The fascination with RBIs continues.
Jericho
11-17-08, 02:54 PM
blah blah blah there isn't one pitcher worth $20M+ per season, especially when locked up for 6 years
all it takes is one arm tweak and subsequent loss of 4-5 mph of velocity and suddenly your $120M+ investment is shot to hell
I'd agree. Although the Yankees are in a unique situtation where they can absorb plenty of "dead money" if Sabathia sucks the last few years of the contract. And he's so good when he's on, that he can elevate any team into playoff contention. It's hard to pass up elite players, even if they carry a heavy price tag.
Of course, this ignores the fact the Yanks biggest problem last year was offense, not pitching.
Goat3001
11-17-08, 04:23 PM
Of course, this ignores the fact the Yanks biggest problem last year was offense, not pitching.
True but considering that they didn't have Posada and Matsui the whole season and that Damon, Jeter and A-Rod all saw DL time it can be said it was an anamoly that their offense was so anemic. When healthy the Yankees still have one of the most potent offenses in baseball. Even if they don't get Tex I think a healthy Yankee offense is in good shape next year. They're getting older though, and therein lies the problem. I just hope they keep Abreu.
starman9000
11-17-08, 04:35 PM
The voters have actually been decent this go-around,a lthough 12 writers still put Howard first. The fascination with RBIs continues.
The AL pick will probably cause controversy, just because there is no real clear cut winner.
cardsfan111
11-17-08, 05:22 PM
The question is, does Pujols think he deserves it? I always enjoy watching athletes eat their own words so I can't wait to see him openly accept the MVP award when it was just two years ago when he bitched about Ryan Howard getting it and not making the playoffs.
He definitely stuck his foot in his mouth a few years ago, but in fairness, retracted his words shortly thereafter and I believe he called Howard to apologize.
Thankfully Howard didn't win. He wasn't even the best player on his own team with Chase Utley around. The voters have actually been decent this go-around,a lthough 12 writers still put Howard first. The fascination with RBIs continues.
Agreed. Utley finished 15th in the voting? :eek: One writer listed Pujols 7th on his ballot. -ohbfrank- Some folks obviously don't know what they're doing when it comes to the voting.
BrewCrew
11-17-08, 06:23 PM
One writer listed Pujols 7th on his ballot. -.
That was the writer from Milwaukee, he voted Howard #1.
1. Ryan Howard, Phil
2. CC Sabathia, Mil
3. Manny Ramirez, LA
4. Carlos Delgado, NY
5. Aramis Ramirez, Chi
6. Prince Fielder, Mil
7. Albert Pujols, Stl
8. Ryan Ludwick, Stl
9. Ryan Braun, Mil
10. David Wright, NY
Jobronie
11-17-08, 06:30 PM
Exhibition games planned for both new NYC ballparks on Friday April 3rd and Saturday April 4. Red Sox at Mets; Cubs at Yankees.
chrisih8u
11-18-08, 10:26 AM
Yanks offer 5 years, $80 million for Burnett according to the Post. I cant imagine him turning that down.
starman9000
11-18-08, 10:30 AM
CC, Wang, Burnett, would be pretty good. Especially if Chamberlain works out.
wildcatlh
11-18-08, 10:54 AM
Yanks offer 5 years, $80 million for Burnett according to the Post. I cant imagine him turning that down.
Oh, please, let them do that. That would be a worse contract than the one Zito got.
wildcatlh
11-18-08, 10:55 AM
Thankfully Howard didn't win. He wasn't even the best player on his own team with Chase Utley around. The voters have actually been decent this go-around,a lthough 12 writers still put Howard first. The fascination with RBIs continues.
Utley wasn't the most valuable player on the team either. It was Lidge, who I was delighted to see got 2 first place votes and a decent MVP finish for a closer.
Goat3001
11-18-08, 10:56 AM
Well the Yankees got rid of Pavano so might as well give money to another ex-Marlin injury case.
CC, Wang, Burnett, Chamberlain and Hughes? Burnett he oldest one at 31? I'm not going to blindly put faith in CC and Burnett until I see them pitch in pinstripes (of course they actually need to sign first) but at least the Yankees aren't spending money on old guys and are still willing to keep their talented young pitchers.
Deftones
11-18-08, 11:57 AM
so if the yanks get burnett and sabathia, will their payroll be like $300 million a year? :eek:
starman9000
11-18-08, 12:02 PM
so if the yanks get burnett and sabathia, will their payroll be like $300 million a year? :eek:
I thought they were losing some bad contracts this year, so if they only add those 2 and Swisher there wouldn't be much change.
Deftones
11-18-08, 12:09 PM
what bad contracts are they losing?
starman9000
11-18-08, 12:22 PM
Bobby Abreu, Jason Giambi, Carl Pavano, Sidney Ponson and Ivan Rodriguez? (are they going to keep Pettite?)
Goat3001
11-18-08, 01:02 PM
^Bobby is up in the air. Hopefully they keep him, but if not that is $16 mil off the books there. Then there is Giambi and Pavano. Those guys are done as Yankees. Ponson and Pudge didn't really have BAD contracts. Yankees signed Ponson to a minor league deal and Pudge was a rental anyway. Mussina and Pettitte are off the books as well. If they come back to the Yankees next year they'll be taking a lot less money.
I think Giambi made something like 19 million last year and Pavano did 10 million. Pettitte made $16 and Moose made $11 (all rough estimates). Take those out and you have room to add CC, Burnett and Tex without raising payroll too much. I still don't think they'll land Texiera though but they'll have the money to put out a good offer.
pedagogue
11-18-08, 01:39 PM
Sabathia contract figures need to reported in units of McDonalds cheeseburgers, not dollars.
Makes sense....
MILWAUKEE—The Brewers' playoff push has run afoul of an unusual distraction, as sources close to the organization confirm that newly acquired husky starting pitcher C.C. Sabathia and sizable power-hitting first baseman Prince Fielder continue to visualize one another as a 6'7" chili cheese dog and a 260-pound hamburger with all the trimmings, respectively.
Team insiders say the problem has become a serious disruption, with numerous incidences of each player tying a bib around his neck, holding a knife and fork in their outstretched hands, and chasing the other around the ballpark.
"I should have noticed something was wrong weeks ago, when Prince, who has always had a certain fascination with the sausage races, expressed delight that we had 'signed Cleveland's huge chili cheese dog' and welcomed C.C. to the team by coating him liberally with celery salt and mustard," said manager Ned Yost. "And in his very first start, C.C. praised the way our 'great big hamburger' was hitting, and kept trying to pick off runners at first base by throwing ketchup and extra cheese to Prince."
Although both Fielder and Sabathia are major factors in the Brewer's playoff plans, their teammates admit that their recent displays of appetite have been a bit unnerving.
"Usually, the other players step in before one of them takes a bite out of the other," said Brewers reliever David Riske. "But the whole thing is pretty unsettling. Sabathia and I were getting our arms rubbed the other day, just kind of stretching them out across the massage table, when suddenly an empty jar of relish rolled by. I looked up, and Prince had put a huge hot dog bun and all the trimmings on Sabathia's arm when he wasn't paying attention. C.C. pulled himself out at the last minute, but when Prince's teeth came together, it made a chomping sound you could hear throughout the clubhouse."
Sabathia responded by chasing Fielder around the clubhouse with a pair of giant salt and pepper shakers.
On Monday, Yost announced that any player who attempted to devour another, no matter how delicious they seemed to appear, would be subject to disciplinary action. However, like many disciplinary measures involving athletes, the decree seemed only to make those involved more cunning.
"I was using the hot tub to ease some soreness the other day with Prince, who had nodded off, when C.C. came in carrying these grocery bags," said third baseman Bill Hall. "I had just noticed that something smelled really good when I realized that C.C. was cutting up vegetables and throwing them in the hot tub with Prince, alongside plenty of noodles and spices, to make some sort of hamburger casserole."
Luckily, Fielder woke up before the mixture thickened and retaliated by attempting to trap Sabathia in the steam room along with a bag of mesquite-flavored grilling charcoal.
"This has to end," Yost admitted to reporters as the Brewers readied themselves for a four-game series against St. Louis. "We can't have players trying to eat one another, even in Milwaukee, so we're taking steps. We've already talked to both players, explaining that while they are big, they are not food. And as a provisional measure, we've gotten Ray Durham from the Giants in the hopes that both Prince and C.C. will think he's a giant ham and leave one another alone." From....The Onion.
CRM114
11-18-08, 02:31 PM
Thankfully Howard didn't win. He wasn't even the best player on his own team with Chase Utley around. The voters have actually been decent this go-around,a lthough 12 writers still put Howard first. The fascination with RBIs continues.
Because Pujols was very "valuable" in that 4th place finish. Hell, they could have finished SIXTH. -eek-
And it's clear you didn't watch the Phils this year with the Utley comment. He was a stiff down the stretch from the All Star game until the playoffs.
starman9000
11-18-08, 02:45 PM
Pedroia won the AL MVP with 16 of 28 first place votes.
Not too surprising. Morneau had a good chance until he got crappy in the last month, and Quentin's injury knocked him out. Youk was probably more valuable to the Sox though :)
fumanstan
11-18-08, 03:16 PM
Pedroia :down:
Weak MVP crowd out there in the AL.
tofferman
11-18-08, 03:43 PM
Pedroia :down:
Weak MVP crowd out there in the AL.
But the most deserving of all the AL MVP candidates. If Pedroia didn't win it, then Youkilis would have.
The only thing weak about the 2008 AL MVP voting was that idiot writer, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News, who left Pedroia off the ballot entirely.
He should have his voting privileges revoked.
Goat3001
11-18-08, 04:30 PM
But the most deserving of all the AL MVP candidates.
Agreed. Pedroia put together a hell of a season but no one stood out in the AL this year. If you had your typical .300+/35+/120+ hitter who made the playoffs Pedroia wouldn't have been thought of. Either way he won it and he was indeed the MVP of the AL this year.
LurkerDan
11-18-08, 05:13 PM
I think I recall seeing that some 80 million came off the yankees books this offseason.
so is pedroia the first guy to with ROY in his 1st season then MVP the next?
starman9000
11-18-08, 07:04 PM
so is pedroia the first guy to with ROY in his 1st season then MVP the next?
Howard did it recently and Ripken did it.
Deftones
11-18-08, 07:17 PM
i thought Howard did too, but was too lazy to look it up.
cardsfan111
11-18-08, 07:28 PM
Any word on who put Tampa Bay's Jason Bartlett 5th on his MVP ballot? :hscratch:
Deftones
11-18-08, 07:57 PM
Dempster signed 4 year contract with Cubs: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3710712
Spicollidriver1
11-18-08, 08:35 PM
Any word on who put Tampa Bay's Jason Bartlett 5th on his MVP ballot? :hscratch:
I don't know how did MAuer get 4th I love Joe, but Justin is more important to the twins
davidh777
11-19-08, 12:20 AM
so is pedroia the first guy to with ROY in his 1st season then MVP the next?
Ichiro had them all beat
coli
11-19-08, 06:54 AM
I hope Sabbathia turns down the Yankees offer and goes west. I am so sick of hearing arrogant Yankee fans thinking they can rebuild through Free Agency because they know they have more money to spend on all these players then the other 29 teams. It would be great if the Yankees couldn't get an "A" Free Agent, and would actually have to rebuild through their farm system like everyone else does. No wait, they tried that last year with their pitching staff, and realized they don't have a minor league system:)
I still don't think the union will let Sabbathia walk away from 150 Million, as they will strongarm him to sign with the Yanks.
starman9000
11-19-08, 07:06 AM
The Yankee's fans I know would love to have more homegrown players on the team, but who wouldn't want their team to spend on the best?
chrisih8u
11-19-08, 10:07 AM
According to rotoworld, the Red Sox have traded Coco Crisp to KC for Ramon Ramirez. I guess it helps the bullpen. The Red Sox must have something up their sleeve for the OF. JD Drew certainly can't be counted on to play every game.
Goat3001
11-19-08, 10:31 AM
^My guess is that they'll put an offer in for Manny. ;)
They'll probably sign an above average back up outfielder. Someone that can be an adequate fill in for Drew if he gets hurt. Garret Anderson maybe? Maybe they'll bring Trot back?
lordwow
11-19-08, 11:57 AM
Crisp traded to KC (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/11/report_crisp_he.html)
The Sox traded Coco Crisp to the Royals for reliever Ramon Ramirez, Nick Cafardo has confirmed.
chrisih8u
11-19-08, 12:23 PM
^My guess is that they'll put an offer in for Manny. ;)
They'll probably sign an above average back up outfielder. Someone that can be an adequate fill in for Drew if he gets hurt. Garret Anderson maybe? Maybe they'll bring Trot back?
Trot? Bite your tongue!
Qui Gon Jim
11-19-08, 02:10 PM
Baldelli? Hometown boy makes good in Boston? Could it happen?
Scott27
11-19-08, 06:33 PM
Mussina to retire (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8818830/Yanks'-Mussina-to-retire-after-first-20-win-season)
cardsfan111
11-20-08, 12:46 PM
Cardinals have apparently reached a deal with former Rays LHP, Trever Miller.
ESPN Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3714600)
Jobronie
11-20-08, 02:03 PM
According to rotoworld, the Red Sox have traded Coco Crisp to KC for Ramon Ramirez. I guess it helps the bullpen. The Red Sox must have something up their sleeve for the OF. JD Drew certainly can't be counted on to play every game.They sheared off ~$5M in salary, and got another bullpen arm that has some real potential and is cost controlled for four years. Cheap bullpen arms with potential are the new Moneyball. And with the way relievers are so hit-or-miss from year to year, the more stuff that you can fling at a wall, the better chance you have that some of it sticks.
As for filling that fourth OF spot, they also signed Paul McAnulty (former Padre ml'er) to a ml deal. This could be their insurance if nothing else comes up......
Deftones
11-20-08, 05:44 PM
Utley may be out until June: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3715241
Quake1028
11-20-08, 08:56 PM
I hope Sabbathia turns down the Yankees offer and goes west. I am so sick of hearing arrogant Yankee fans thinking they can rebuild through Free Agency because they know they have more money to spend on all these players then the other 29 teams. It would be great if the Yankees couldn't get an "A" Free Agent, and would actually have to rebuild through their farm system like everyone else does. No wait, they tried that last year with their pitching staff, and realized they don't have a minor league system:)
I still don't think the union will let Sabbathia walk away from 150 Million, as they will strongarm him to sign with the Yanks.
This post is utter bullshit. For one, most teams CAN spend money, but they WON'T. I'm not going to decry any owner for putting profits back into their team, even if the big market teams can put more than the smaller market teams. I would wager most teams make a good enough profit to spend more on their teams than they do. And, no free agent is forced to sign with the Yankees, even if they offer the most money, and many have walked away from Yankee offers. Second, the farm system comment is inaccurate. First, the Yankees mortgaged their farm for several years through trades. That's well known. However, they have moved away from that. Also, saying they don't have a farm system is absurd. Most of the young pitchers were hurt last year, and really didn't get a chance to show what they had at the major league level.
coli
11-21-08, 07:55 AM
This post is utter bullshit. For one, most teams CAN spend money, but they WON'T. I'm not going to decry any owner for putting profits back into their team, even if the big market teams can put more than the smaller market teams. I would wager most teams make a good enough profit to spend more on their teams than they do. And, no free agent is forced to sign with the Yankees, even if they offer the most money, and many have walked away from Yankee offers. Second, the farm system comment is inaccurate. First, the Yankees mortgaged their farm for several years through trades. That's well known. However, they have moved away from that. Also, saying they don't have a farm system is absurd. Most of the young pitchers were hurt last year, and really didn't get a chance to show what they had at the major league level.
The Yankees have a clear advantage, cause they get about 100 million dollars a year from YES Network. Steinbrenner started that channel about 2000-01, and by coincidence, that is when the Yankees started having 200 million dollar payrolls. Places like Minnesota, KC, and alot of other markets just aren't big enough to get a local contract or let alone their own TV network to fund their payrolls every year.
Now I agree that alot of teams can spend more money, but the Yankees spend ALOT more then anymore because of this advantage. It is one thing to have a 120 million dollar payroll, and it is another thing to have a 200 million dollar payroll, you can afford to take chances and overpay a free agent, because you can suck up that loss for many years: Giambi is one of them who made about 20 million for the past few years, but clearly wasn't worth it.
If there were a salary cap of say 125 million in Baseball, and a salary floor of about 75 million, teams like the Yankees couldn't just go out and outbid everyone, but in the same respect teams like Florida and SanDiego would be forced to keep their talent instead of selling off their great players every few years because they would have to maintain that floor.
NFL, NHL, and NBA all have caps, although the NBA's is a bit different, but they all make it so teams can't do what the Yankees do. If the NFL didn't have a cap, Jerry Jones would go out and outbid everyone for every Free Agent, but he is limited and has to pick and choose. The Yankees have every right to do what they are doing, but Selig should fight like hell in the next CBA to get a cap, cause it hurts Baseball when you see teams like Minnesota and SanDiego have sell offs every year.
Goat3001
11-21-08, 08:20 AM
^So don't hate the Yankees, hate the system. In fact, you should applaude that the Yankees (and Boston's among a few others) front office is so intent on having their team be perennial contenders that they'll pump all their profits back into the team. Your dislike for the system is misplaced here. If teams such as Minnesota (who is notorious for having a wealthy owner that does not put profits back into the team) were willing to invest in the team and raise payroll a little bit they would never have had to trade Santana and they would have (probably) won the division this year. Sure, they would never be able to spend as much as the Yankees but they would be able to keep a few of their studs instead of having to sell them off.
The Marlins make something like $15million a year with the revenue sharing program. All that money is spent on the team. Any profits go right into the pockets of the owners.
Also asking for a cap is hard to do. If they do that then we'd be talking about restructuring contracts and the players association would never allow it. Asking for a salary floor is more likely.
starman9000
11-21-08, 08:27 AM
I would love it if Pohlad decided to enjoy his wealth before he kicks it. Go on a spending spree you tight bastard! I fear our only hope is that his kid wants to be like Hank and becomes a loud mouth owner, but a loud mouth owner who is willing to spend to win.
coli
11-21-08, 08:33 AM
^So don't hate the Yankees, hate the system. .
I agree, I hate the system. But the Yankees are the only ones who truly abuse it, to the point of having their payroll way out of wack. But I hate teams like the Marlins that do the exact opposite.
Last year, the Yanks payroll was about 207 million, the next team was the RedSox at 143 million, so that is a 70 million difference between teams 1-2 in baseball. If I had a chance, I would ask Selig, "Don't you think that hurts your game, that one team can outbid everyone? While you have teams like the Marlins who won't spend squat on their teams?"
As I said, if NFL didn't have a cap, Jerry Jones would be doing exactly what the Yankees would do, or the Jerry Buss would be doing the same stuff in the NBA, or the Rangers would be doing this in the NHL. I just get annoyed that Yankees fans are so smug that they know they will rebuild quicker then most teams cause they can just go out and outbid everyteam for free agents.
Oh well, I am a Phillies fan, so I can't complain that much:)
chrisih8u
11-21-08, 09:18 AM
Last year payroll was
Yankees $207
Detroit $138
Mets $137
Boston $133
White Sox $121
So it has gotten better in recent years. It remains to be seen wether the Yankees even spend as much as last year.
Jobronie
11-21-08, 11:09 AM
Last year payroll was
Yankees $207
Detroit $138
Mets $137
Boston $133
White Sox $121
So it has gotten better in recent years. It remains to be seen wether the Yankees even spend as much as last year.Thanks, was pretty sure that DET and NYM were above the Sox in payroll.
Saw a business blurb the other day that said the Mets and Yanks are VERY concerned that they may not be able to sell many of their higher priced seats in this economy.....
davidh777
11-21-08, 11:47 AM
Mariners hire Don Wakamatsu as the first Asian American manager, which is cool
Quake1028
11-21-08, 12:31 PM
I agree, I hate the system. But the Yankees are the only ones who truly abuse it, to the point of having their payroll way out of wack. But I hate teams like the Marlins that do the exact opposite.
Last year, the Yanks payroll was about 207 million, the next team was the RedSox at 143 million, so that is a 70 million difference between teams 1-2 in baseball. If I had a chance, I would ask Selig, "Don't you think that hurts your game, that one team can outbid everyone? While you have teams like the Marlins who won't spend squat on their teams?"
As I said, if NFL didn't have a cap, Jerry Jones would be doing exactly what the Yankees would do, or the Jerry Buss would be doing the same stuff in the NBA, or the Rangers would be doing this in the NHL. I just get annoyed that Yankees fans are so smug that they know they will rebuild quicker then most teams cause they can just go out and outbid everyteam for free agents.
Oh well, I am a Phillies fan, so I can't complain that much:)
As I said, no free agent is forced to take the Yankees' money. And many don't. So "getting any free agent they want" is quite a stretch at best.
Goat3001
11-21-08, 12:39 PM
Last year payroll was
Yankees $207
Detroit $138
Mets $137
Boston $133
White Sox $121
So it has gotten better in recent years. It remains to be seen wether the Yankees even spend as much as last year.
What's funny is that if you look at last years Yankees the team they fielded cost a hell of a lot less than $200million. When you have guys like Kei Igawa and Carl Pavano eating all your money its easy to get your payroll that high and not be productive.
cardsfan111
11-21-08, 12:49 PM
What's funny is that if you look at last years Yankees the team they fielded cost a hell of a lot less than $200million. When you have guys like Kei Igawa and Carl Pavano eating all your money its easy to get your payroll that high and not be productive.
And that's been the sore point for many years amongst many fans. The Yankees may not field a team worth 200 million, but they can afford to have more bad contracts than most clubs and still remain competitive.
Spicollidriver1
11-21-08, 01:05 PM
I don't disagree with some of things here except about the Twins. They do have a local tv deal one on OTA tv for all sunday games, and then another on FSN for about 95% of the games left that are not nationally televised. As far as there payroll goes they are spending more money each year and when the new stadium opens up (the crap stadium and crap deal they have with said stadium affects the revenue more then the tv deal) they will spend even more. Years ago Morneau and MAuer would be gone by now. They just decided it didn't make sense to have a pitcher make about 1/4 of the payroll.
Jobronie
11-21-08, 02:24 PM
What's funny is that if you look at last years Yankees the team they fielded cost a hell of a lot less than $200million. When you have guys like Kei Igawa...eating all your money Granted the posting fee was $25-26M, but isn't Igawa's contract for like $4M per? That may be substantial for a number of small market teams, but that is hardly "eating all your money" for the Yankees.
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