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wabio
09-27-08, 09:18 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080927/ap_on_re_af/af_somalia_piracy

US destroyer watching hijacked ship off Somalia By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN, Associated Press Writer
Sat Sep 27, 3:50 PM ET

MOGADISHU, Somalia - A U.S. destroyer off the coast of Somalia closed in Saturday on a hijacked Ukrainian ship loaded with tanks and ammunition, watching it to ensure the pirates who seized it do not try to remove any cargo or crew.

As Russian and American ships pursued the hijackers of the Ukrainian-operated vessel, pirates seized another ship off Somalia's coast, an international anti-piracy group said.

The Greek tanker with a crew of 19 is carrying refined petroleum from Europe to the Middle East. It was ambushed Friday in the Gulf of Aden, said Noel Choong, who heads the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center based in Malaysia. He said pirates chased and fired at the ship before boarding it.

In Somalia, a man claiming to be spokesman of the pirates holding the Ukrainian ship said the hijackers want $35 million to release the vessel. But there was no way to immediately verify his claim that he represented the pirates.

On Thursday, pirates seized the Ukrainian ship Faina en route to Kenya with 33 Russian-built T-72 tanks and a substantial quantity of ammunition and spare parts. Russia's navy said Friday it had dispatched a warship to the area, and the United States said American naval ships were tracking the Ukrainian ship with special concern because of the weaponry on board.

The hijackings were the latest in a series of audacious maritime attacks off the coast of Somalia, a war-torn country that has been without a functioning government since 1991.

A U.S. defense official said the destroyer USS Howard is pursuing the hijacked Ukrainian vessel and is now within a few thousand yards of it. The hijacked ship is anchored a few miles off the Somalia coast, said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the situation.

The destroyer is watching to make sure the pirates do not try to remove anything, the official added.

The USS Howard's Web site says it is equipped for combat operations at sea with surface-to-air missiles, Tomahawk cruise missiles, antisubmarine rockets, torpedoes, and a five-inch rapid-fire deck gun.

Kenyan government spokesman Alfred Mutua said the Faina had not yet docked at any port and was still at sea.

Kenya "is not aware of any credible (ransom) demand being made," Mutua said in statement on his Web site. He said Kenya "does not and will not negotiate with international criminals, pirates and terrorists."

Ukraine's Foreign Ministry said the Kenyan Defense Department was using its contacts to try to resolve the problem. It said Kenyan authorities were sharing information with Somalia, Ukraine, Russia, the U.S. and Britain in an effort to secure the swift release of the ship and its crew.

A man who spoke to the Associated Press in Somalia by telephone and claimed to be a spokesman for the pirates said they were seeking a ransom.

"We want the Kenyan government to negotiate with us about a $35 million ransom we want for the release of the ship and the cargo without any other intervention," said the man, who identified himself as Ali Yare Abdulkadir. "If not, we will do what we can and off load the small arms and take them away."

Abdulkadir, who local residents in the northeastern Somali region of Puntland said represented the pirates, declined to reveal his whereabouts. He said the ship is somewhere along Somalia's northeastern coast and warned against any military action to liberate it.

"Any one who tries it will be responsible for the consequences," Abdulkadir said.

A Russian Web site posted what it said was an audio recording of a telephone conversation with the Ukrainian ship's first mate. He said the hijackers are seeking a ransom and have anchored close to the Somali shore.

There was no way to immediately confirm the authenticity of the report on Web site Life.ru. Calls to the phone number listed on the site went to an answering machine at the publisher of two established tabloids that have reportedly reliably on news in the past — one of them also called Life.

On the recording, a man who identified himself as first mate Viktor Nikolsky said the hijackers were asking for a ransom but he did not know how much. Life.ru showed images of what it said were the Russian passports for both Nikolsky and the ship's captain, Vladimir Kolobkov.

Nikolsky said there were 35 people on the ship — 21 of them crew — and most were being held in a single overheated room, he added. Nobody aboard the Faina was injured, but the captain was suffering from heatstroke and his condition was "not so good," the man identified as Nikolsky said. It was unclear exactly when the purported conversation took place.

Ukrainian officials had said there were 21 crew members aboard — 17 Ukrainians, three Russians and a Latvian.

Nikolsky said the ship was anchored near the Somali town of Hobyo and that two other apparently hijacked ships were nearby. Hobyo is in the central region of Mudug, south of Puntland. It is a natural port and does not have any facilities.

Kenyan Defense Department spokesman Bogita Ongeri said the Ukrainian vessel was seized in international waters in the Gulf of Aden. He said that the pirates hijacked the ship beyond 200 nautical miles away from the coast of Puntland. Two hundred nautical miles in maritime law mark the end of a country's territorial waters.

Long a hazard for maritime shippers — particularly in the Indian Ocean and its peripheries — high-seas piracy has triggered greater alarm since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States because of its potential as a funding and supply source for global terrorism.

Pirate attacks worldwide have surged this year and Africa remains the world's top piracy hotspot, with 24 reported attacks in Somalia and 18 in Nigeria this year, according to the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy this month called on other nations to move boldly against pirates, calling the phenomenon "a genuine industry of crime."

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Wow. Sounds like a really bad action movie. Where's Steven Seagal when you need him? :eek:

DVD Polizei
09-27-08, 09:22 PM
:lol: whenever I see Somalians in the news.

raven56706
09-27-08, 10:45 PM
oh the russians....how are they going to get themselves out of this one

wishbone
09-27-08, 10:57 PM
When I read Somali pirates I thought of this story (http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,385048,00.html).

Sean O'Hara
09-28-08, 12:57 AM
The Somali pirates say they were offended that the Ukrainian crew wasn't celebrating Talk Like a Pirate Day and decided to teach them a lesson.

nemein
09-28-08, 07:34 AM
When I read Somali pirates I thought of this story (http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,385048,00.html).

The show Future Weapons had a special on this device (at least I think that's where I saw it). It looked like it was pretty effective and now I guess we know that it is. Kind of nice the military is sharing their toys in this fashion.

OldDude
09-28-08, 07:51 AM
The destroyer is watching to make sure the pirates do not try to remove anything, the official added.

The USS Howard's Web site says it is equipped for combat operations at sea with surface-to-air missiles, Tomahawk cruise missiles, antisubmarine rockets, torpedoes, and a five-inch rapid-fire deck gun.

Captain Obvious ponders, "Are there many destroyers that AREN'T equipped for destroying things?"

OldDude
09-28-08, 08:05 AM
In the 1700's, armed merchant ships were quite common, and some of them could put up a reasonable fight. Maybe we need to return to those days.

Or create a decoy freighter, crewed by elite military units, and concealing a couple of deck guns. That would be a nice surprise.

Tuan Jim
09-28-08, 08:17 AM
You'd think some of the shipping insurance companies would start either raising rates or putting in some conditions. I remember a few years back when Malaccan pirates were all the rage - tankers and other freighters going through there started experimenting with things like electrified razor wire on the railings and relatively basic stuff like that.

It's also not exactly illegal in international waters to train with rifles, shotguns, etc. These pirate speedboats may be armed with machineguns, rpgs, etc, but a high-powered rifle is a heckuvalot more accurate at distance than anything else. Especially from a steady platform like a freighter compared to a bucking small boat. A shotgun blast on someone climbing over the rail is going to put a crimp on anyone's plans - and even if they do have a couple RPG-7s - damage from those to any large ship is going to be pretty negligible.

Either these guys aren't showing up on radar (in which case I would expect increased watches), or all these ships that keep getting caught are dumb as crap. Seriously, you don't have to outrun a speedboat to stop it.

DVD Polizei
09-28-08, 03:22 PM
Now they want $20 Million.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26901780

rotfl

Ok, somebody whip out their recently-cleaned M107 .50cal and do some Somali Tamale deck cleanin'.

In a rare gesture of cooperation, the Americans appeared to be keeping an eye on the Faina until the Russian missile frigate Neustrashimy, or Intrepid, reaches the area.

Once the Russians take over, I will actually feel sorry for these Somali fuckheads. They will know serious pain.

Dr Mabuse
09-28-08, 03:27 PM
Those 'skinnies' do so much for the world.

OldDude
09-28-08, 03:58 PM
Now they want $20 Million.



Once the Russians take over, I will actually feel sorry for these Somali fuckheads. They will know serious pain.


Apparently, the $35M ransom was a "Nigerian pirate scam," not from the real hijackers. :lol: rotfl :lol:

Yes, the pirates would have longer life spans if they surrendered to the Americans before the Russians get there. I assume at that point, we will steam away to avoid detailed knowledge of what happens.

Although I suspect the Russians, Americans, and Kenyans would all be willing to blow up the ship to keep them from offloading tanks into the wrong hands.

wishbone
09-28-08, 04:30 PM
Although I suspect the Russians, Americans, and Kenyans would all be willing to blow up the ship to keep them from offloading tanks into the wrong hands.That's what I was thinking -- the powers that be would not allow the tanks to ever get off of the ship.

Ranger
09-28-08, 04:51 PM
In the 1700's, armed merchant ships were quite common, and some of them could put up a reasonable fight. Maybe we need to return to those days.

Or create a decoy freighter, crewed by elite military units, and concealing a couple of deck guns. That would be a nice surprise.
It is puzzling. This hijacking is just one of many this year. In some cases, the pirates were paid the ransom. Seriously, instead of setting aside some money for future ransoms, maybe the companies should invest in some weapons to defend their ships.

wabio
09-28-08, 07:09 PM
Or create a decoy freighter, crewed by elite military units, and concealing a couple of deck guns. That would be a nice surprise.


I could think of tons of ideas. Custom create a merchant ship that has hi-tech built in booby traps....like rooms that are actually fortified jail cells. Think of it as a roach motel.....once the pests get in, they can't get back out. :) The control room would be an excellent place to start.

Or how about a dummy ship with a dummy crew. Once hijacked, the ship will quickly flip over and submerge itself like those research vessels. Drown 'em dead!

Or just have a dummy ship, once hijacked is used as target practice for U.S. submarine trainees? :)

OldDude
09-28-08, 07:24 PM
I could think of tons of ideas. Custom create a merchant ship that has hi-tech built in booby traps....like rooms that are actually fortified jail cells. Think of it as a roach motel.....once the pests get in, they can't get back out. :) The control room would be an excellent place to start.

Or how about a dummy ship with a dummy crew. Once hijacked, the ship will quickly flip over and submerge itself like those research vessels. Drown 'em dead!

Or just have a dummy ship, once hijacked is used as target practice for U.S. submarine trainees? :)

Too complex. Open a couple of concealed ports, open fire with 5" deck guns. If anyone manages to surrender, hang them from a deck crane (due to lack of yardarms.) Or, just shoot them in the water, leave them for sharks.

arminius
09-29-08, 09:39 AM
Too complex. Open a couple of concealed ports, open fire with 5" deck guns. If anyone manages to surrender, hang them from a deck crane (due to lack of yardarms.) Or, just shoot them in the water, leave them for sharks.

I like it but I think you still need to backtrack to the nest and EXTERMINATE.:johnwoo2:

OldDude
09-29-08, 10:24 AM
I like it but I think you still need to backtrack to the nest and EXTERMINATE.:johnwoo2:

Well, there is the subtle but significant distinction between exterminating pirate scum on the high seas (encouraged by all civilized nations) and invading a sovereign (but in this case, thoroughly disorganized) nation, more or less condemned by all.

But we'd all like to.

arminius
09-29-08, 12:30 PM
Well, there is the subtle but significant distinction between exterminating pirate scum on the high seas (encouraged by all civilized nations) and invading a sovereign (but in this case, thoroughly disorganized) nation, more or less condemned by all.

But we'd all like to.

Didn't some guy in the past history of this country do just that on the North African coast? And TJ had no where near the military superiority that exists now. We don't have to stay there. Just every once in a while go in, kill everybody and burn their boats. We can then send them humanitarian aid afterwards, you know band aids, condoms and get well cards.

Tuan Jim
09-30-08, 06:01 AM
Well, there is the subtle but significant distinction between exterminating pirate scum on the high seas (encouraged by all civilized nations) and invading a sovereign (but in this case, thoroughly disorganized) nation, more or less condemned by all.

But we'd all like to.

I think virtually all parties will agree that Somalia is in essence a failed state. The government pretty much operates out of exile while Ethiopian and Ugandan peacekeepers are attempting (with limited success from time to time and practically no support from the local populace) to control the radical Islamic militants. Services are virtually non-existent and even radical power centers are scattered randomly across the country.

bhk
09-30-08, 02:30 PM
This is jihad on the seas.

DonnachaOne
09-30-08, 02:42 PM
I want Russia to invade Somalia.

What? It'd be interesting. I bet the Kremlin feels the same way. Get 'em out of the rut of invading nearby mountainous nations - have some fun in the sun for a change. I want to see the atlas rearranged in utterly random order in five years, with Somalia and Djibouti as new Eastern Bloc states and the US annexing Australia.

AGuyNamedMike
09-30-08, 03:29 PM
I want Russia to invade Somalia.

What? It'd be interesting. I bet the Kremlin feels the same way. Get 'em out of the rut of invading nearby mountainous nations - have some fun in the sun for a change. I want to see the atlas rearranged in utterly random order in five years, with Somalia and Djibouti as new Eastern Bloc states and the US annexing Australia.


Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

No, really.

The Bus
10-10-08, 02:20 PM
A spokesman for the group of pirates holding an arms-laden tanker off the coast of Somalia has threatened to blow up the ship in three days if no ransom is paid.

Don't have a link yet. I'm guessing we'll be seeing "unofficial" US intervention soon.

nemein
10-10-08, 02:34 PM
Why? Do we really have a steak in that fire? I think we would be more interested if they tried to off load the tanks somewhere. If they want to sink it let them.

arminius
10-10-08, 02:40 PM
What happened to the Russian navy?

jdodd
10-10-08, 02:43 PM
They got hijacked by Somalian pirates.

Venusian
10-10-08, 02:53 PM
I think we'd rather see the ship sinked than the weapons go to Sudan

arminius
10-10-08, 06:51 PM
I think we'd rather see the ship sinked than the weapons go to Sudan

I think you mean sunked.

arminius
10-10-08, 06:53 PM
And anyway, how are Islamers able to use things like tanks. I thought it had to be in the Koran or they are not allowed to have it. Or am I thinking of the Amish? :scratch2:

Venusian
11-19-08, 09:31 AM
Pirates took over a huge oil tanker as well as a ship full of grain and a few other smaller boats. Indian Navy supposedly sunk a "mother" ship.

ARRR!

Nick Danger
11-19-08, 10:51 AM
Why? Do we really have a steak in that fire? I think we would be more interested if they tried to off load the tanks somewhere. If they want to sink it let them.

Yes and no. Vessels owned by American companies are getting hit too. I think this would be a good time for Russia and the US to stand shoulder-to-shoulder and hammer the pirates.

cdollaz
11-19-08, 10:59 AM
I would think that these ships would start arming themselves and just take out any boat that approaches them. Fight fire with fire.

Venusian
11-19-08, 11:00 AM
one article i read said they can't arm themselves for insurance reasons

Sean O'Hara
11-19-08, 11:08 AM
They aren't pirates. They're a privatized coast guard interdicting vessels that are passing through Somali waters without permission.

Venusian
11-19-08, 11:10 AM
so they claim. coast guards don't demand ransoms

wabio
11-19-08, 11:32 AM
This week....looks like the Pirates got a Saudi oil tanker full of crude worth $100M, a Thai fishing boat, and an Iranian cargo ship.

An interesting read on Somalia port towns:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081119/ap_on_re_af/af_pirate_boomtown_1

Score one for the Indian navy:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081119/ap_on_bi_ge/piracy

VinVega
11-19-08, 12:29 PM
This is crazy. I don't know if we want all the merchant ships taking matters into their own hands here. The navies of the world need to do more here.

OldDude
11-19-08, 01:55 PM
They aren't pirates. They're a privatized coast guard interdicting vessels that are passing through Somali waters without permission.

480 nautical miles offshore like the supertanker?
I don't think anyone is going to accept that territorial claim.

General Zod
11-19-08, 02:19 PM
I just saw some video of the pirates.

No peg legs, no parrots, no eye-patches, no jolly-roger.. these guys obviously failed out of pirate school and are complete amateurs.

DarkestPhoenix
11-19-08, 04:07 PM
Hope they equipped their new ships with spoilers.....

http://www.righteouspirate.com/

pedagogue
11-20-08, 12:36 AM
The navies of the world need to do more here.

[bitter about our crap international policies]Yeah, because it is our job to police the world and spend billions of dollars we don't have to help others who don't do crap for us. [/bitter about our crap international policies]

wabio
11-20-08, 12:50 AM
We should just glass Somalia. I doubt anyone would object. They've already pissed off the Russians and Saudi's.

Duran
11-20-08, 07:49 AM
[bitter about our crap international policies]Yeah, because it is our job to police the world and spend billions of dollars we don't have to help others who don't do crap for us. [/bitter about our crap international policies]

Uh, ensuring the free flow of trade goods throughout the world is most certainly in our interests.

DarkestPhoenix
11-20-08, 04:03 PM
uh, ensuring the free flow of trade goods throughout the world is most certainly in our interests.

qft

Dr Mabuse
11-20-08, 04:09 PM
What happened to the Russian navy?

They got hijacked by Somalian pirates.

:lol:

Jason
11-20-08, 06:02 PM
Hope they equipped their new ships with spoilers.....

http://www.righteouspirate.com/

Man, of all the lame-ass posers to rip off... :lol: